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00:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5295 @ 0.00087029 = 4.6082 BTC [-] {2}
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00:24 mircea_popescu ;;later tell decimation mihaib sounds like quite the romanian name
00:24 gribble The operation succeeded.
00:29 Bet created: "Any European team to win 2014 FIFA Football World Cup" http://bitbet.us/bet/873/
00:30 mircea_popescu i gotta say i really like how btcalpha works.
00:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43163 @ 0.0008695 = 37.5302 BTC [-] {3}
00:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5832 @ 0.00086828 = 5.0638 BTC [-]
01:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8067 @ 0.00086828 = 7.0044 BTC [-]
01:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 16 @ 0.03030312 = 0.4848 BTC [-] {2}
01:19 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
01:19 gribble Current Blocks: 303960 | Current Difficulty: 1.0455720138484837E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 304415 | Next Difficulty In: 455 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 7 hours, 25 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11611667751.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.05565
01:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32356 @ 0.00086763 = 28.073 BTC [-] {3}
01:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24361 @ 0.00086662 = 21.1117 BTC [-]
01:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.21036645 = 0.6311 BTC [+] {3}
01:24 BingoBoingo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1707;sa=showPosts
01:24 assbot Latest posts of: kslaughter
01:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0304 = 0.608 BTC [+]
01:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2101 BTC [-]
01:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.02811021 = 0.2249 BTC [-] {2}
01:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.02811015 = 0.5622 BTC [-] {2}
01:39 dub lol
01:39 lobbes It is a shitstorm in that thread.
01:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 77 @ 0.00183002 = 0.1409 BTC [-]
01:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00082843 = 3.3137 BTC [-]
01:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00082843 = 8.2843 BTC [-]
01:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.02437999 = 0.3657 BTC [-]
02:03 dub !t m s.mpoe
02:03 assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00082843 / 0.00087459 / 0.0008815 (1017982 shares, 890.32 BTC), 7D: 0.00080316 / 0.00087188 / 0.00090911 (6297303 shares, 5,490.53 BTC), 30D: 0.00080316 / 0.00090953 / 0.00101 (26331504 shares, 23,949.53 BTC)
02:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07450141 = 0.3725 BTC [-]
02:05 dub im struggling with how this person is profiting from all this manip^HHHrket making
02:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 295 @ 0.07368519 = 21.7371 BTC [-] {15}
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02:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.02437999 = 0.2438 BTC [-]
02:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00081 = 8.1 BTC [-]
02:37 xmj Good morning.
02:47 kakobrekla hi
02:54 fluffypony gutentag
02:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.21009006 = 0.4202 BTC [-]
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03:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00080218 = 0.8022 BTC [-]
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03:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 180 @ 0.02021789 = 3.6392 BTC [+] {5}
03:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 30 @ 0.0202409 = 0.6072 BTC [+]
03:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.0008 = 4.8 BTC [-] {2}
03:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22947 @ 0.00080218 = 18.4076 BTC [+]
03:53 benkay <BingoBoingo> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1707;sa=showPosts // what the fuck am i looking
03:53 assbot Latest posts of: kslaughter
03:53 dub with any luck the end of any need to further troll his victims
03:54 dub its old now
04:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0202409 = 0.1417 BTC [+]
04:05 assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 327 @ 0.00210072 = 0.6869 BTC [-]
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04:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07209 = 0.2884 BTC [+] {2}
04:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.0202409 = 0.2834 BTC [+]
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04:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00080143 = 2.4043 BTC [-]
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05:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 416 @ 0.02438471 = 10.144 BTC [+] {5}
05:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0245 = 0.1225 BTC [+]
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05:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4390 @ 0.0008 = 3.512 BTC [-]
05:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 389 @ 0.0202409 = 7.8737 BTC [+]
06:01 BingoBoingo benkay With any luck you were looking at someone's best efforts to spoil any money they might have already spent on lawyers.
06:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.21100517 = 0.422 BTC [+]
06:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.21100503 = 2.1101 BTC [-] {3}
06:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.21910428 = 1.7528 BTC [+] {4}
06:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.22799999 = 5.016 BTC [+] {2}
06:12 pankkake http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/06/03/0312232/seattle-approves-15-per-hour-minimum-wage notice the clever trick… it will be in 2021
06:12 assbot Seattle Approves $15 Per Hour Minimum Wage - Slashdot
06:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.22 BTC [-]
06:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.22 BTC [-]
06:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.22 BTC [-]
06:30 moiety good morning :D
06:40 jurov hi moiety :)
06:41 jurov you're up to a call to missouri, have you seen it?
06:41 jurov (not anything urgent)
06:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 48 @ 0.07201187 = 3.4566 BTC [-] {2}
06:57 xmj !up
06:57 xmj well, that worked.
06:57 * xmj can recommend tilaa.nl for FreeBSD VPS.
07:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.021502 = 0.2365 BTC [-] {2}
07:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02111493 = 0.2111 BTC [-]
07:17 * Naphex recommends using dedicated servers instead of virtual anything.
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07:39 * jurov recommends network of VPSes distributed to different suppliers
07:39 jurov now if I can figure out how to sanely manage it
07:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.00079366 = 13.2144 BTC [-]
07:49 xmj jurov: ansible ?
07:49 Naphex why would you do anything on a hypervisor you don't control is beyond me.
07:50 pankkake because it's THE CLOUD
07:50 Naphex you can even skip thinking that anything stored there is secure. cause everything is available to the hypervisor and who runs it
07:50 xmj Do you run a binary linux distribution like Fedora/EL6,7/Centos, Debian, Ubuntu, ...?
07:50 Naphex your ram, your encryption, your keys, your storage, your IRQs
07:51 Naphex i compile from source on verified sum packages
07:51 fluffypony I'm moving all of my sites on to iCloud
07:51 fluffypony I'll be writing them in Swift
07:51 Naphex then snapshot that and use it to clone servers
07:52 Apocalyptic fluffypony, sounds like a win
07:52 fluffypony Apocalyptic: yeah it's really going to save me having to learn JavaScript and using Node, that seemed way too complicated
07:52 fluffypony although I hear mongoDB is the best database because even CoinBase uses it
07:53 Naphex "Objective-C without the baggage of C."
07:53 Naphex so..
07:53 Naphex http://regmedia.co.uk/2014/06/02/swift_benchmark.jpg i like it how they beat python in it trololol
07:54 jurov xmj when on every machine is potentially different distro, and even roles of the machines are different?
07:55 Apocalyptic and they chose on the most used crypto algorithm today... behold RC4
07:55 Apocalyptic *one
07:55 pankkake why would you use a different distro?
07:55 jurov because they don't offer the one i want?
07:55 pankkake oh, well, that sucks
07:56 pankkake though yes I don't use Gentoo on VPSes
07:57 jurov but it has some sweet upsides, part of coinbr infrastructure is down all the time, i can fix it later when I have the time
07:57 jurov nobody noticed so far :)
07:57 Naphex well, it shouldn't be down in the first place
07:58 jurov well, since the part(s) running mpexagent is/are at physically hardly accessible place
07:58 jurov some redundance is in order
07:59 jurov are your keys physically inaccessible at secret locations, naphex?
07:59 Naphex jurov: what keys?
07:59 jurov coinbr needs gpg keys to trade on mpex, obv
08:00 jurov and they must be online
08:00 penguirker New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/knc-neptune-20nm-wafers-headed-packaging/
08:00 jurov so i had to hide them behind some layers... and using physical machines for all of them whould prohibitively expensive
08:00 xmj jurov: as long as they have python installed, no problem
08:01 xmj jurov: Ansible is pretty powerful even in heterogenous envs.
08:01 fluffypony don't be sexist
08:01 fluffypony even hetero servers need love
08:01 xmj we use it from jenkins with different nix variants including centos and ubuntu
08:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.22001595 = 0.44 BTC [+]
08:02 Naphex jurov: i have a whole cluster of servers :p secret keys run on encrypted hardware, servers run bare and have several layers of security & apis for it.
08:02 Naphex cold wallets can just be multisig
08:03 xe4l Morning
08:03 jurov xmj i'm still pretty much in the beginning, so far it seems saltstack has more fitting primitives
08:03 Naphex everything is physical, on _owned_ hardware in special datacenters.
08:05 jurov good for you
08:05 xe4l I dont't understand the need for special datacenters
08:05 Naphex well, don't know how much of a need it is
08:05 jurov =DCs protected by specnaz
08:05 xe4l unless your saying private colo, as in you alone have physical access
08:05 xmj jurov: saltstack is brilliant if you want a master/client setup with at least one master configuring multiple clients
08:05 xe4l otherwise an EQ or whatever is equally good
08:05 Naphex but having datacenters with qualified professinals and an actuall account manger. + guarded access to the datacenter
08:06 Naphex also you don't want shitty datacenter support running with your hard drives
08:06 xmj Naphex: I like owned hardware. Co-location and self-owning is factually less expensive. but you'll have to maintain the hardware, which can suck.
08:06 Naphex so you better make sure if its serious you pick a very good datacenter, with protection and other several high profile customers
08:06 xe4l can always get a cage at EQ and swap the locks out
08:06 Naphex xmj: if you pick good hardware and balance rightly there is not that much maintainance
08:07 Naphex i mean replace and ocassional broken drive every year or so
08:07 fluffypony xmj: please don't be sexist
08:07 fluffypony master/slave is bad terminology
08:07 xmj Naphex: yep, but definitely more so than when you outsource that whole thing to someone.
08:07 Naphex and deprecate/switch some servers
08:07 xe4l The trick is to have your dynamic capacity all on the cloud and use the hardware for things requring a high degree of trust
08:07 xmj Naphex: obviously depends on your biz model.
08:07 Naphex i mean, if you're making dough
08:07 xmj if you're interested in building infrastructure, that's different
08:07 Naphex you better hire a sysadmin
08:07 Naphex and some coders and a designer
08:07 Naphex to maintain your shit
08:07 Naphex or just quit or sell it or whatever
08:08 Naphex no point in delusioning yourself forever with outsourcing, and clouds, and virtual stuff
08:08 xmj Naphex: we're in 2014
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08:08 xmj clouds and virtual stuff _just works_ and has been for five years.
08:08 xmj sysadmins are called 'devops engineers'
08:08 Naphex well thats just washy washy
08:09 Naphex too me it just sounds like lazy developers and lazy bussiness owners
08:09 Naphex who just want to run their shit without every thinking about anything
08:09 Naphex and meanwhile profiting
08:09 pankkake the fact is that devops don't understand the first thing about unix
08:09 pankkake my time at devops events = oh my god what am i doing here
08:10 Naphex yes the webdevel generation
08:10 xe4l there's a large disparity in the skillset of people with a devops
08:10 pankkake it usually works fine until it doesn't
08:10 jurov Naphex you do everything properly and they you get forced to surrender ssl cert to cloudflare anyway
08:11 jurov upo thread of expulsion from the dc
08:11 Naphex jurov: i've never heard of threat of explusion from dc, and if you get that just move. louzy dc
08:11 pankkake that wasn't trolling?
08:11 Naphex a dc should have proper ddos mitigations, and solutions for ddos/dos. and the worst case scenario they should cut your upstream
08:11 xe4l I've never heard of that
08:11 Naphex and recover after that
08:12 jurov you have such dc in romania?
08:12 xe4l Naphex: maybe if your dealing with bottom rate providers, why not build your own edge instead of using whatever blended they have
08:12 Naphex jurov: yes
08:12 Naphex i am very happy with my dc, they have everything <3
08:12 pankkake but do they have clouds?
08:13 Naphex nowadays yeah
08:13 Naphex my AM tried to sell me some cloud :)
08:13 Naphex i told him to shove it
08:13 Naphex but i still doubt they sell any cloud
08:13 Naphex most of their customers are banks, and all kinds of srsfolk
08:13 pankkake do romanians pronounce cloud in funny ways too?
08:14 fluffypony butt
08:14 Naphex caca
08:14 Naphex cacacloud
08:14 pankkake lol
08:14 Naphex i mean, hey if you want some virtualizing buy 10 servers, host some hypervisor
08:14 Naphex and run them up and down
08:14 Naphex host your sendmail on vps1, http vps2, whatever
08:14 pankkake http://youtu.be/sU8Sge0nNJU
08:14 assbot Clouds - Radical Cutting Methods - YouTube
08:15 fluffypony my biggest gripe with the cloud
08:15 fluffypony is that a VPS of any measurably decent performance
08:15 fluffypony costs me the same as a dedi box
08:15 xe4l not really
08:15 Naphex i mean whats this thing about costs nowadays
08:15 xe4l there are quite a few inexpensive cloud providers
08:15 fluffypony xe4l: oversold resources cannot compete with dedicated resources
08:15 Naphex or just everyone poor?:)
08:16 mircea_popescu am i the only one that most enjoys writing dismissal letters of all the letter types there are ?
08:16 Naphex 200eur/month for 32GBram sever, with 32 cores, and some fast storage
08:16 Naphex run your shit forever
08:16 mircea_popescu not even ransom notes are this much fun
08:16 xe4l agreed, but that's not the use case of virtual servers really
08:16 xe4l I wouldn
08:16 xe4l run my main db on a vps, but I would run a bunch of read slaves, web servers, etc
08:16 xe4l things I wanted to rapidly scale based upon demand
08:17 mircea_popescu dub: im struggling with how this person is profiting from all this manip^HHHrket making << i don't see how it could be a single person, it makes no sense
08:17 mircea_popescu also it's ^H^H^H
08:17 mircea_popescu hi xe4l. who are you ?
08:17 xe4l I doubt theres a single site in the alexa top 250 that runs purely off of cloud without basically purchasing the equiv of a physical box, eg: AWS provisioned vps
08:17 fluffypony xe4l: last year I had to reindex a large database table (a necessary evil occasionally). I thought to offload it to a VPS provider, Linode or DigitalOcean or someone, so as to avoid needing to choke my db server. Needless to say, 12 hours in they shitcanned the VPS slice because of "excessive resource usage".
08:18 xe4l friend of joecool, infosec/nix/network/etc person
08:18 fluffypony so now if I need something like that I just fire up http://www.baremetalcloud.com and pay by the hour for a dedicated box to do the work
08:18 mircea_popescu welcome.
08:18 xe4l thank you
08:19 mircea_popescu fluffypony, basically "the cloud" is just the new marketing gimmick, used to be "unmetered access shared servers" in 2004
08:19 fluffypony yeah
08:19 mircea_popescu get INFINITE BANDWIDTH for $5
08:19 xe4l p.much
08:19 * xe4l works for a very fast growing cloud hosting company
08:20 mircea_popescu lmao
08:20 mircea_popescu why in the hell.
08:20 mircea_popescu *: Naphex recommends using dedicated servers instead of virtual anything. << im with him jurov. i would guess all the romanianz on the internet are with us. which means YOU ARE IN THE MINORITY. all of youse.
08:21 jurov wut
08:21 mircea_popescu fluffypony: I'll be writing them in Swift << and in a little while you can be known as rapedpony
08:21 fluffypony hah hah
08:22 mircea_popescu jurov, wut wut
08:22 jurov trouble parsing that statement
08:23 pankkake I've had to read it twice
08:23 pankkake ovh really did have infinite bandwidth but they were apparently looking for it
08:23 mircea_popescu pankkake, economics are economics. i get that the large peering networks mostly peer for free, but that "free" is a hidden cost
08:23 mircea_popescu (you must offer equal capacity, which has a carrying cost on the books
08:24 fluffypony Darkcoin fanbois eventually back down when cornered and admit there's no cryptographic grounding: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2751e8/psa_dont_fall_for_darkcoins_deceiving_marketing/chxy4wv?context=5
08:24 assbot Ozziecoin comments on PSA: Don't fall for Darkcoin's deceiving marketing and pump and dump. It's just a copy of CoinJoin (created by a Bitcoin core dev, for Bitcoin), and does not give perfect anonymity.
08:24 mircea_popescu and even if you do make it huge, the ops will just start charging you for THEIR carry capacity, which you've now made a scarce resource through your managerial incompetence)
08:24 mircea_popescu fluffypony, what i like is how "a core dev" is dropping the use of his actual name.
08:25 fluffypony "Evan brings Darkcoin over 17 years of software development experience and an interest in artificial intelligence, financial markets and economics."
08:25 fluffypony because when you want a cryptographically sound solution to anonymity
08:25 fluffypony what you really want is a VB.net developer with an economics background
08:26 pankkake that is 17 years old
08:26 mircea_popescu jurov: so i had to hide them behind some layers... and using physical machines for all of them whould prohibitively expensive << actually the one secret in all of btc i;m most curious about is the complete schematics of the rat's nest jurov no doubt built.
08:26 fluffypony https://www.darkcoin.io/meetteam.html
08:26 assbot DARKCOIN
08:26 fluffypony "Kyle brings over 25 years of experience in System Administration and Development. "
08:26 fluffypony more relevant skills
08:26 mircea_popescu i don't tend to spy on allies (unlike the us, let it be pointed out) and so i guess that's one thing to look forward to once he's extradited
08:27 mircea_popescu ok you two im bashing that
08:27 mircea_popescu anyway, iirc coinjoin was gmaxwell's idea originally. ended up in a lengthy discussion with midnightmagic over its dismerits a year ago
08:28 jurov mircea_popescu: it's kinda reverse of the schema of mpex proxies you have posted
08:28 mircea_popescu jurov, i can't imagine there aren't piles of strange in there.
08:29 mircea_popescu fluffypony, give them a link to that team of muppets, lemme find it
08:30 mircea_popescu like "But was it <a href=http://trilema.com/2014/robert-keith-cristopher-jr-matt-sartain-kristian-thomson-cryptorush-much-comedy-lulzgoldmine/>built from the ground up with security in mind</a> ?"
08:30 fluffypony OH they keep throwing that out
08:30 fluffypony or is that the X11coin crowd
08:30 fluffypony yes them
08:31 fluffypony so I link them to mintcoin files in the X11coin github repository
08:31 fluffypony and they're like "FUD! FUD!"
08:31 mircea_popescu lolk
08:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.000081 = 0.162 BTC [-] {2}
08:32 mircea_popescu i wonder what % of github traffic can actually boot a physical machine in any arbitrary os provided they get the distro.
08:32 mircea_popescu (lowest qualification for any driver : can actually start any one car, irrespective of make or model)
08:33 jurov lol when i got for first time a (rented) car with automatic gear
08:33 jurov could not figure out how to put it in reverse
08:34 jurov had to read the manual for 10mins
08:34 mircea_popescu Naphex: jurov: i have a whole cluster of servers :p secret keys run on encrypted hardware, servers run bare and have several layers of security & apis for it. << i wager someone paid for a lot of brazilian waxing so far.
08:34 fluffypony I find automatics very jarring and disconcerting to drive, lol
08:34 mircea_popescu yeah, they're the mac os of cardom.
08:34 pankkake reverse seems to be the only non standard thing in cars
08:34 mircea_popescu all the fucking buttons are in unexpected places.
08:34 pankkake as for github I'd say under 10%
08:35 mircea_popescu pankkake, remember back when it was cool ?
08:35 pankkake what was cool?
08:35 fluffypony cats
08:35 fluffypony cars
08:35 jurov ponies
08:35 fluffypony now moiety is going to get excited
08:35 fluffypony jurov: ponies have never been cool, I'm the eternal hipster
08:36 mircea_popescu xe4l: can always get a cage at EQ and swap the locks out << actually most midrange dcs don't let you swap locks out
08:36 fluffypony "Q: Sometimes I get redirected to another site called “organicmoneyfarm”, what the?" LOL!!
08:36 mircea_popescu some charge a fee for it.
08:36 jurov waitwhat? bronies != hipsters now?
08:36 pankkake indeed, cars used to be cool and got you the girls
08:36 mircea_popescu pankkake, githoob.
08:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 33 @ 0.07330533 = 2.4191 BTC [+] {3}
08:37 pankkake I use giteub - teub is verlan for bite
08:37 pankkake github is still cool, but I'm not
08:37 mircea_popescu Naphex: no point in delusioning yourself forever with outsourcing, and clouds, and virtual stuff << exactly. and at this point i can't tell if xml is trolling or serious.
08:37 mircea_popescu hey xml, you trolling or serious ?
08:38 jurov you mean xe4l ?
08:39 mircea_popescu no i mean http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2014#699790
08:39 assbot #bitcoin-assets log
08:39 mircea_popescu xmj i guess. not my fault he makes me thing of xml.
08:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15574 @ 0.00079362 = 12.3598 BTC [-] {2}
08:39 jurov oh he's clearly trolling
08:39 mircea_popescu a ok.
08:40 jurov but physical hw doesn't "just work" neither anymore
08:40 mircea_popescu dude computers that "just work" are like girlfriends that "just fuck"
08:40 mircea_popescu grow up.
08:41 jurov i mean, that's fallacious argument
08:41 mircea_popescu jurov: upo thread of expulsion from the dc << what shitcenter was this ?
08:41 xmj mircea_popescu: if your girlfriend doesn't, then you're doing it wrong.
08:41 mircea_popescu i don't have a girlfriend.
08:42 xmj there you are
08:42 mircea_popescu neither does jurov.
08:42 mircea_popescu the reasons being, of course, outside of the realm of your priors.
08:43 jurov what shitcenter was this ? most of faux-dcs i know about
08:44 mircea_popescu Naphex: most of their customers are banks, and all kinds of srsfolk << that made my uvula bleed. when did banks become technologically apt omfg.
08:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.00079389 = 12.9801 BTC [+]
08:44 mircea_popescu pankkake: do romanians pronounce cloud in funny ways too? << cloud in romanian sounds pretty much like duncan mcloud from the clan mcloud.
08:45 pankkake by bank can't even configure their ssl properly
08:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47350 @ 0.0007963 = 37.7048 BTC [+]
08:48 xe4l most banks of a nice hardy shell and a gooey interior
08:48 mircea_popescu im officially addicted to http://www.btcalpha.com/mpif-tracker/ nao
08:48 assbot F.MPIF Live Tracker - Btc Alpha
08:48 mircea_popescu mike_c you has ruined my internets productivity
08:48 xe4l I obliterated my first fortune 10 pentest
08:48 xmj mircea_popescu: case in point
08:48 xe4l all in-scope systems in north america in 24 hours
08:48 mircea_popescu xmj, im sorry ?
08:48 xmj mircea_popescu: if you do a startup, with an idea in mind -- highlevel one -- and let yourself get distracted by hardware/network issues right in the beginning
08:49 xmj mircea_popescu: then that's just you doing it very very wrong as those shouldn't be part of your business in the beginning.
08:49 xmj s/business/core business/
08:49 jurov xmj, you should praise github then
08:50 mircea_popescu the universe where a heroic twentysomething starts leinterwebs bizniss is a very interesting fictional metaverse. we revel in retelling the stories of adventure and glory much like some women enjoy watching telenovellas.
08:50 xe4l github actually has a decent setup these days
08:50 mircea_popescu but meanwhile, business is made by businessmen not by aspi[rational] kids
08:50 Naphex xmj: hey distracted, since when do you do high level apps, and not think about the hardware they are running or the performance you want to get out of it
08:50 Naphex picking hardware to run your shit should be one of the first steps
08:50 jurov with decent 0days...just that anyone can commit anything
08:50 Naphex and if you can't do it, hire someone who can
08:50 * xe4l works with the people that previously worked at github
08:51 mircea_popescu xe4l, does that mean all the women or what ?
08:51 xe4l no women from github yet
08:51 xe4l devops people mostly
08:51 Naphex <+mircea_popescu> Naphex: most of their customers are banks, and all kinds of srsfolk << that made my uvula bleed. when did banks become technologically apt omfg. << Maybe but they can pick good datacenters ;]
08:51 pankkake jurov: but that's the spirit of open source! :)
08:51 mircea_popescu now this may be true.
08:51 Naphex and they will have a big sec status on their servers
08:51 xmj Naphex: no, thoughts like that right in the beginning are expensive, spin up two-three VPS until you have a customer base to warrant and pay for those thoughts.
08:52 mircea_popescu xmj srsly, you;re being stupid.
08:52 xmj Naphex: bro do u even lean?
08:52 xmj do u even bootstrap?
08:52 mircea_popescu i dunno why you think you're entitled to put forth that nonsense in the company of adults, but don't.
08:52 mircea_popescu !up joesmoe
08:52 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot joesmoe
08:52 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user joesmoe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=joesmoe | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joesmoe | Rated since: Tue Mar 12 17:07:21 2013
08:52 xmj mircea_popescu: Listen kiddo. I'm talking how it's really done in here.
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08:53 mircea_popescu joesmoe, you'll need to get in assbot's l2 trust
08:53 xmj You do not think about hardware until you get to a point where you can reasonably say you've run into scaling issues.
08:53 xmj 75% of the startups I know run off AWS.
08:53 xmj the others use heroku, rackspace or what-have-you cloud-based hosting.
08:53 xe4l I ran my last venture off aws
08:53 xe4l aws is terribly expensive though
08:54 mircea_popescu i guess my ignore list was hungry.
08:54 Naphex so basicly
08:54 Naphex don't plan shit
08:54 mircea_popescu ;;rate xmj -1 meets my definition of marauding idiocy.
08:54 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user xmj has been recorded.
08:54 Naphex and run everything elsewhere not thinking about anything except your very nice hot new facebook app
08:54 Naphex that you're doing high level expensive thinking on
08:54 xmj ;;rate mircea_popescu -2 has no idea about lean startup strategy
08:54 gribble Error: You do not meet qualifications for entering ratings.
08:54 xmj well that's a shame.
08:55 fluffypony startup strategy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKQdlXvbWSU
08:55 assbot Ford Raptor jumps 90 feet! - YouTube
08:55 Naphex lean startup strategy == fail startup strategy?
08:55 xe4l the startup strategy I'm the most fond of at this point is to get the MVP out the door asap so your customers can begin to use your product
08:56 xmj exactly
08:56 Naphex see, now it takes 2 days
08:56 Naphex to buy some servers
08:56 Naphex and install em
08:56 xmj and thinking about low-level crap like hardware and network infrastructure just is not conducive to your MVP.
08:56 xe4l sadly, as much as is I love building the perfect thing on the first go, it's not terribly pheasable unless it's a b2b business
08:56 mircea_popescu xe4l, what's the rush anyway.
08:56 xmj exactly
08:56 xe4l b2c demands you begin to get feedback from your customers
08:56 xe4l so you can start tuning the product
08:56 mircea_popescu or to put it in another perpsective, if you're in any hurry either your product isn't in a good enough market or your financial structure is shit.
08:57 Naphex what have this people been brain washed to do
08:57 mircea_popescu fix both first.
08:57 xmj I'm not talking about business services.
08:57 xe4l I agree with that mircea_popescu
08:57 Apocalyptic <Naphex> what have this people been brain washed to do // kinda been wondering the same
08:57 xmj mircea_popescu: Bootstrapped lean startups have next to no financial structure.
08:57 mircea_popescu i mean sure, everyone gotta eat, so plentry of people will habve to be employed in marginal businesses.
08:57 mircea_popescu but if you're claling your marginal business "A start-up" you're basically begging to work for free
08:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00079768 = 0.7977 BTC [+]
08:58 mircea_popescu that's why salaries were invented : to pay for work in marginal businesses.
08:58 Naphex i don't get most of the arguments anyway
08:58 Naphex like its expensive to think about infrastructure
08:58 Naphex and networking
08:58 Naphex and bleah hardware
08:58 Naphex the low level shit
08:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11808 @ 0.0007963 = 9.4027 BTC [-]
08:59 mircea_popescu "it's too expensive to do what we should nbe doing but are too lazy to do"
08:59 jurov Naphex, good sysdamins are cheap?
08:59 Apocalyptic it requires a brain, and it's getting expensive to fond one these days
08:59 mircea_popescu or how the us turned itself from a world power into a competitor for nigeria.
08:59 Apocalyptic *to find
09:00 Naphex to me this sounds exactly like the markting bull in the oldies, where you buy shitty 12$ hosting
09:00 xe4l haha Apocalyptic damn tooin
09:00 Naphex for your super uber new online bussiness
09:00 mircea_popescu now where's that link
09:01 mircea_popescu http://www.27bslash6.com/p2p2.html
09:01 assbot "It's like twitter. Except we charge people to use it."
09:01 Naphex is U.S. not producing any more good sysadmins?
09:01 Naphex import some mexicans
09:02 xe4l if anyone has a desire for strong anonymity, pm me, someone I know is setting up something interesting
09:02 Naphex on cloud hosting
09:02 Naphex with everything you do readable to everyone
09:02 Naphex developed using lean mean startup strategy of makeing the website, and hosting the vps on amazon aws
09:02 Naphex VPN*
09:04 chetty oy vey, some of the 'thinking' going on here explains all the recent big data breeches nicely
09:04 Naphex i've seen 16 y/o with access to hacked vps supervisors on pretty big providers
09:04 Apocalyptic haha, thanks for the link mircea
09:05 mircea_popescu chetty, for some reason benkay figured we need live examples of the ycombinator-and-clones "businessmen" for further lulz.
09:05 chetty I guess we all could use a refresher every now and then
09:06 mircea_popescu at least usagi & co have the excuse that they insistently make nonsensical claims because their brains don't actually work
09:06 Naphex http://www.lean.org/whatslean/
09:06 assbot What is Lean
09:06 Naphex LEAN thinking
09:06 Naphex so culty
09:06 Apocalyptic Naphex, more like lean forward
09:06 Naphex haha
09:06 xe4l Naphex: hm, wonder how they got that access
09:06 xe4l hypervisor escape exploit/
09:07 Naphex xe4l: probably hacked em with shitty brute force scans
09:07 xe4l lol probably
09:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26930 @ 0.00079827 = 21.4974 BTC [+] {2}
09:07 mircea_popescu xe4l, nobody is going to drop such a valuable exploit on such a shitty thing
09:07 xmj Note: I'm not saying how I'd do it.
09:07 xe4l not very many elite 16 year olds these days
09:07 xe4l eh you'd be surprised
09:07 Naphex 16:07 <+mircea_popescu> xe4l, nobody is going to drop such a valuable exploit on such a shitty thing << you don't burn exploits
09:07 xmj I say it how I've seen it in countless incubators, coworking spaces, and the likes.
09:07 mircea_popescu now this my nbe true, my experience is 2nd hand.
09:07 * xe4l has had some z days
09:08 xe4l it's not burning it if no one gets your exploit
09:08 Naphex oh someone will
09:08 mircea_popescu ^
09:08 xmj mircea_popescu: how long do you usually ignore people?
09:08 mircea_popescu talk about securing bitcoin being hard.
09:10 chetty hey lets throw some spagetti at the wall and see if it sticks
09:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.0007991 = 13.9843 BTC [+]
09:16 Mats_cd03 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF-YBfnappM
09:16 assbot Eminem - Mom's Spaghetti (remix) Original - YouTube
09:17 Mats_cd03 nvm this version sucks
09:23 bitcoinpete ;;rate usagi -5 milkman who can't back up .dat file. not to be trusted with coins.
09:23 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of -5 for user usagi has been recorded.
09:24 fluffypony heh
09:26 bitcoinpete fluffypony: i got a kick out of those later comments on the bitcointalk thread
09:26 bitcoinpete https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/473818072474984448
09:26 assbot Lol funny watching /UsagiMeijin get his eyes pumped shut on the forums. What did he expect? https://t.co/UFbfHZzZqW
09:27 fluffypony lol
09:28 bitcoinpete so i've asked him to make his requests public on the comments section of my blog
09:28 Mats_cd03 i dunno why any of you bother
09:29 bitcoinpete we'll see if he follows through or if he wants to be be all plaintextprivate
09:29 Mats_cd03 dude's sipping mai tais and lolling at a laptop somewhere in bermuda
09:29 bitcoinpete Mats_cd03: and we're sipping manhattans and lolling at him
09:30 bitcoinpete so?
09:30 Mats_cd03 drama llama
09:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28850 @ 0.00080244 = 23.1504 BTC [+] {3}
09:31 Naphex "Actually I have to admit I am a little suprised at the negativity I'm getting over this, it's as if people automatically assume every failure is intentional."
09:31 Naphex lol
09:31 Apocalyptic is that an usagi quote ?
09:31 Apocalyptic could be Karpeles
09:31 Naphex its probably both
09:31 Naphex hehe
09:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 321 @ 0.07144737 = 22.9346 BTC [-] {8}
09:35 Naphex "give him all your money. maybe the next failure could be due to some rats chewing on the cables ??" i lol'd
09:36 fluffypony thestringpuller: "Don't be a "fucking" retard, and watch your language with me." - lol, you have incurred the wrath of usagi!
09:36 fluffypony "Do you want me to pull quotes from #bitcoin-assets too?"
09:36 fluffypony usagi reads logs - HI USAGI!
09:37 Naphex "This" makes me seem totally irresponsible. But here's the deal; we had regular, weekly, off-site backups. Even if someone got a hold of the backups they would be unable to take money out of the wallet without the password. And despite people saying "RAID is not a backup""
09:37 Apocalyptic so fluffypony is allegedly a scammer now
09:37 Apocalyptic this is getting better and better...
09:37 Naphex too bad they can just grab your walletpassphrase from your code lolol
09:37 Naphex or your bash history file, or just listening to your tty
09:37 fluffypony Apocalyptic: I'm hoping to join the honoured ranks
09:38 pankkake where are those quotes from?
09:38 pankkake ;;gettrust usagi
09:38 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user pankkake to user usagi: Level 1: -2, Level 2: -3 via 7 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=pankkake&dest=usagi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=usagi | Rated since: Mon Jun 18 12:33:55 2012
09:38 Naphex was readying the usagi thread
09:38 Naphex reading*
09:40 mircea_popescu !up princessnell
09:41 mircea_popescu <Mats_cd03> i dunno why any of you bother << cause their girlfriends have girlfriends of their own and so they get bored ?
09:41 princessnell thx. morning all!
09:42 mircea_popescu hey there.
09:42 princessnell how goes it?
09:43 mircea_popescu And despite people saying "RAID is not a backup"" << "... i classified it as off-site so it is in a sauna somewhere which is the highest security level there is."
09:44 fluffypony "Did you know fluffypony is actually a well-known scammer who has ripped off dozens of people with his openrigs scam? I know -- what's he even doing here?"
09:44 fluffypony lol
09:44 fluffypony ,,rate fluffypony -1 obviously I'm a well-known scammer
09:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.22 = 1.54 BTC [-]
09:44 Naphex well you do live in africa ;]]]
09:45 fluffypony I haven't even told you that I'm a Nigerian prince yet
09:45 fluffypony I was saving that for later
09:45 Naphex hehe
09:46 Naphex the new RS7/A7 looks gorgeus
09:46 Naphex http://www.drivearabia.com/news/2014/06/03/2015-audi-a7-s7-rs-7-revealed-with-minor-facelift-uae-saudi-ksa-qatar-gcc/
09:46 assbot 2015 Audi A7, S7 & RS 7 revealed with minor facelift | Drive Arabia : Dubai / Abu Dhabi [UAE, Saudi, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, Oman & GCC]
09:48 fluffypony pretty
09:49 bitcoinpete more and more robotic looking
09:49 bitcoinpete more like ironman's mask
09:49 fluffypony they're deploying the transformers, bitcoinpete
09:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 31 @ 0.02806454 = 0.87 BTC [-] {5}
09:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.0276 = 0.3036 BTC [-] {2}
09:52 bitcoinpete robots in disguise lol
09:52 mike_c mircea_popescu:im officially addicted to http://www.btcalpha.com/mpif-tracker/ nao << perhaps I should add a credits system :)
09:52 assbot F.MPIF Live Tracker - Btc Alpha
09:53 fluffypony lol!
09:53 fluffypony paywall'd by mike_c
09:54 mike_c hm.. all the #b-a blogs should charge the same credits, spend them to read the other blogs, get them when people read your blog. talk about a circle jerk.
09:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0737999 = 0.738 BTC [+]
09:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0738 = 0.369 BTC [+]
09:57 mike_c xmj:;;rate mircea_popescu -2 has no idea about lean startup strategy << wait, shouldn't that merit a positive rating?
09:58 xmj mike_c: not if he dislikes my stating how it is.
09:58 princessnell lol so many ~lean startup~ lemmings in mordor
09:59 xmj mike_c: if he shits on me for stating how other people do (and fail at) it, then yes, that does deserve negative ratings.
10:00 mike_c well, i'm not looking to reignite that silly argument. "bootstrap lean fail-fast pivot" is a joke.
10:03 asciilifeform is 'lean startup' a new euphemism for 'starving artist' ?
10:03 chetty lean does not have to = stupid. Sadly most of them are.
10:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00080433 = 5.8716 BTC [+]
10:04 princessnell such a fuzzy buzzy term
10:05 Apocalyptic asciilifeform, you may not be too far
10:06 bitcoinpete princessnell: from your rt: my wife works in the same field as her dad and my mother works in a related field to hers.
10:07 bitcoinpete http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-06/03/silk-road-study
10:07 assbot Study claims Silk Road reduced drug-related violence (Wired UK)
10:08 Mats_cd03 https://soundcloud.com/felixjaehn/felix-jaehn-shine-feat-freddy-verano-linying-2
10:08 assbot Felix Jaehn - Shine (feat. Freddy Verano & Linying) by Felix Jaehn on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds
10:10 fluffypony ok so let me tell you about my new startup: it's going to be a one-click backup service called iWalletBackup. It will let you use Siri via raise-to-talk to back all your wallets up to iCloud. It's being written in Swift and will use mongoDB as a backend. It can scale nearly instantly because it will just fire up new AWS instances on-demand. Our development methodology is fail-fast-fail-often, where we'll write an iteration, and then once that
10:10 fluffypony code has failed in production we'll shut the startup down, start a new one, buy the old one out, and then repeat. We call this Multi Startup Synergistic Prefailure, and it's inspired by the work of Tsukino Usagi.
10:10 princessnell bitcoinpete i almost did the same and went into law. dodged a bullet there!
10:11 bitcoinpete princessnell lol you definitely did!
10:12 Mats_cd03 89baller
10:12 bitcoinpete my choices were law and architecture
10:12 Mats_cd03 ^ baller, that is
10:12 bitcoinpete bitcoin combines a bit of both, i suppose
10:13 bitcoinpete fluffypony: step 1. blog, step 2. ipo
10:13 princessnell ha, ya, it does
10:13 princessnell also, re silk road, i love it when i beat <3science<3 by a few months: http://theumlaut.com/2013/08/13/silk-road-as-a-self-regulating-black-market/
10:13 assbot Silk Road as a Self-Regulating Black Market | The mlaut
10:13 fluffypony oh damn I forgot we need an IPO step for every failure
10:13 fluffypony we're planning on monthly failure->IPO->buy out iterations
10:13 pankkake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Sidekick_data_loss
10:13 assbot 2009 Sidekick data loss - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
10:13 bitcoinpete fluffypony: the ipo is only the most important part
10:14 bitcoinpete it's where we get paid!
10:14 * fluffypony feels ashamed
10:14 bitcoinpete other than when we "forget to backup"
10:14 bitcoinpete both = profit
10:14 fluffypony as a KNOWN SCAMMER I should've known better
10:14 fluffypony I have failed scammer-kind
10:14 bitcoinpete ya why is openrigs still a private thing?
10:14 fluffypony I have to commit scampukku
10:14 bitcoinpete don't you want redditards to make money?
10:14 Mats_cd03 https://soundcloud.com/fkj-2/fkj-lying-together
10:14 assbot FKJ - Lying Together by FKJ on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds
10:15 fluffypony bitcoinpete: I think I'm the world's worst scammer
10:15 fluffypony you guys have seen this, right - http://coingen.io
10:15 assbot Coingen
10:16 princessnell o ya, made a sweet novelty coin for my pug
10:16 bitcoinpete fluffypony: heard of things like that. $50 for a coin or w/e
10:16 fluffypony so I think we should do IPOgen - it can create a website, a logo, an IPO forum post, and list you on CryptoStocks
10:17 jurov i'd do IPO for cryptostocks relief fund
10:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 2219 @ 0.0000654 = 0.1451 BTC [-] {2}
10:17 jurov and list it on CS, of course
10:17 fluffypony and it could be recursive - the test of the code is that it must IPO itself
10:17 mike_c coingen is how Altcoin was born
10:18 bitcoinpete i don't think silbert could be any dumber: https://twitter.com/barrysilbert/status/473822123085950976
10:18 assbot Exciting bitcoin possibilities too MT /Recode: What Apples Fingerprint ID Changes Mean for Its Big Mobile Payments http://t.co/Hx8fneUHbA
10:19 bitcoinpete mike_c: didn't know that about altcoin… i don't know why i thought it was a costlier project
10:19 fluffypony I think it's a great idea - your private key is made from your fingerprint. That way if you don't put your finger down *just* right you get a whole new privkey and can't access the old one till you figure out how you put your finger down previously
10:20 mike_c cost != value :)
10:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00080169 = 26.5359 BTC [-] {3}
10:24 fluffypony Mats_cd03: just letting it run through the recommended tracks is actually pretty awesome, Sound Cloud has gotten better and better for discovering music
10:25 bitcoinpete mike_c: of course, you're right :)
10:26 bitcoinpete fluffypony: or you could have 10 privkeys, one per finger. max!
10:26 fluffypony great idea!
10:26 bitcoinpete this will cut down on blockchain bloat
10:26 bitcoinpete and make it so that iphones can carry the full blockchain
10:27 fluffypony well the other nice thing is the harder it is for people to retrieve their privkeys, the more likely they are to be lost forever
10:27 fluffypony which increases the value of Bitcoin by reducing the supply
10:28 fluffypony so really they'd only be doing themselves a favour
10:28 jurov cut all dem fingerz
10:30 bitcoinpete finger thieves will replace haxxors
10:31 bitcoinpete less scared of nsa, more scared of shop class
10:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 4685 @ 0.00004 = 0.1874 BTC [-]
10:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.21015158 = 1.6812 BTC [-] {8}
10:39 fluffypony pankkake: we haven't discussed your fee yet, and u-saga wants to know how much we're paying you
10:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 61 @ 0.20340599 = 12.4078 BTC [-] {14}
10:40 fluffypony [̲̅$̲̅(̲̅ιοο̲̅)̲̅$̲̅]
10:40 fluffypony let me know if that's enough
10:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [-]
10:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.0007991 = 15.6224 BTC [-]
11:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.025499 = 0.1275 BTC [+] {5}
11:03 Mats_cd03 https://soundcloud.com/octobersveryown/drake-0-to-100
11:03 assbot Drake ~ 0 to 100 / The Catch Up by octobersveryown on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds
11:03 Mats_cd03 fun fact: drake is a canadian jew
11:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.025499 = 0.255 BTC [+]
11:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07100011 = 0.284 BTC [-]
11:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0226 = 0.2034 BTC [+]
11:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.216 BTC [+]
11:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 247 @ 0.00060999 = 0.1507 BTC [-]
11:13 bitcoinpete http://blogs.wsj.com/venturecapital/2014/06/02/bitcoin-startup-bitfurys-ceo-earlier-repped-notorious-market-ex-ua/
11:13 assbot Bitcoin Startup BitFury’s CEO Earlier Repped ‘Notorious Market’ Ex.ua - Venture Capital Dispatch - WSJ
11:13 Mats_cd03 https://soundcloud.com/adultjazz/spook-1
11:13 assbot Spook by Adult Jazz on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds
11:13 bitcoinpete "He said that BitFury is slated to open the world’s largest data center aimed at producing bitcoin near Tbilisi. It will have electric power capacity of 20 megawatts"
11:14 bitcoinpete $250
11:14 bitcoinpete $250M valuation for bitfury
11:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.18670056 = 1.867 BTC [-] {4}
11:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6823 @ 0.00080433 = 5.4879 BTC [+]
11:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0224 = 0.112 BTC [-] {2}
11:19 mike_c !t h smg
11:19 assbot [HAVELOCK:SMG] 1D: 0.00004000 / 4.833E-5 / 0.00006541 (7609 shares, 0.36772550 BTC), 7D: 0.00004000 / 4.921E-5 / 0.00007210 (8009 shares, 0.39413104 BTC), 30D: 0.00004000 / 6.26E-5 / 0.00009920 (22814 shares, 1.42811808 BTC)
11:21 mike_c does nobody in here have a havelol account? i guess it's not worth picking up the bit-dime in arbitrage.
11:23 bitcoinpete ;;later tell jurov wondering if you can do transfer of s.mg from havelol to coinbr…
11:23 artifexd mike_c: I have one. It's empty but it exists. What do you need?
11:23 gribble The operation succeeded.
11:24 mike_c well, i don't need anything. just saying there is arbitrage available between havelock smg passthrough and mpex.
11:25 mike_c but transferring shares off havelock is prohibitively expensive, which is probably why nobody bothers.
11:27 artifexd 1BTC minimum fee per transfer?!
11:27 Mats_cd03 how long does it take for BB to deposit winnings following resolution
11:27 artifexd Yeah. "Prohibitively expensive" is right.
11:28 mike_c artifexd: so where does that leave the shares. owning a share of s.mg on havelock is only worth 50% as much as a share on mpex. crazy, huh. they are way overpricing those havelock shares :)
11:29 bitcoinpete artifexd: blimey
11:30 mike_c Mats_cd03: dunno, but i think less than a day in general.
11:31 Mats_cd03 http://bitbet.us/bet/802/bitcoin-to-drop-under-300-before-june 2 days :(
11:31 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $300 before June :: 4.75 B (10%) on Yes, 41.24 B (90%) on No | closed 1 week 2 days ago
11:31 artifexd You'd need over 25k shares to cover a 50% arb. There aren't that many shares for sell under .00009 on havelol.
11:35 bitcoinpete https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ballmer-brings-cheer-competitiveness-clippers-164905128--finance.html
11:35 assbot Ballmer brings cheer, competitiveness to Clippers - Yahoo Finance
11:35 bitcoinpete cheer > racism
11:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.20986614 = 3.3579 BTC [+] {6}
11:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 65 @ 0.00351102 = 0.2282 BTC [+]
11:44 mike_c Mats_cd03: that one has already been paid out..
11:47 Mats_cd03 mike_c: http://bitbet.us/bet/802/bitcoin-to-drop-under-300-before-june/#b58 i dont see the funds https://blockchain.info/address/17HvePmDqPnKjZ79FrB1yicZPqyxTN4BnR
11:47 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $300 before June :: 4.75 B (10%) on Yes, 41.24 B (90%) on No | closed 1 week 2 days ago
11:47 assbot Bitcoin Address 17HvePmDqPnKjZ79FrB1yicZPqyxTN4BnR
11:48 bitcoinpete huh
11:49 Mats_cd03 am i high and missing something
11:49 mike_c i don't think you are.
11:49 bitcoinpete no, none have been paid yet
11:50 Mats_cd03 ok
11:51 mike_c well how the hell are you supposed to know that? it says it's been paid out.
11:51 mike_c paging kakobrekla.
11:52 nubbins` ;;view
11:52 gribble #20672 Mon Jun 2 11:57:18 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 OFFICIAL #bitcoin-assets t-shirt @ 0.03722 BTC (Worldwide shipping included. Optional '#bitcoin-assets / freenode' text on back. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx)
11:53 artifexd nubbins`: How many orders have you received for those shirts?
11:53 nubbins` 8 shirts so far
11:55 bitstein I may order one soon. That looks awesome.
11:56 kakobrekla ;;later tell mircea_popescu <mike_c> paging kakobrekla.
11:56 gribble The operation succeeded.
11:56 bitstein This happened to me once: https://i.imgur.com/k7lRM00.jpg
11:56 mike_c that's confusing.
11:58 bitcoinpete bitstein: lol classic
11:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.03262148 BTC to 8`452 shares, 24049 satoshi per share
12:00 nubbins` see, i understand "check your bitcoin privilege" to have an opposite meaning to the general "check your privilege"
12:00 artifexd So what are the "reasons that BTC is overwhelmingly white and male"? And why does "it matter"?
12:00 nubbins` artifexd: don't ask us, ask her :D
12:00 artifexd Is she in here?
12:00 nubbins` she's on twitter
12:00 artifexd Ich
12:01 * nubbins` shrugs
12:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.18625552 BTC [-]
12:05 chetty http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sec-charges-bitcoin-entrepreneur-for-share-offering-2014-06-03?mod=latestnewssocialflow&link=sfmw
12:05 assbot SEC charges bitcoin entrepreneur for share offering - MarketWatch
12:06 nubbins` HEH
12:06 benkay http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sec-charges-bitcoin-entrepreneur-for-share-offering-2014-06-03?mod=latestnewssocialflow&link=sfmw
12:06 assbot SEC charges bitcoin entrepreneur for share offering - MarketWatch
12:06 benkay i got up to share no fair
12:06 * nubbins` shrugs
12:06 nubbins` http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sec-charges-bitcoin-entrepreneur-for-share-offering-2014-06-03?mod=latestnewssocialflow&link=sfmw
12:06 assbot SEC charges bitcoin entrepreneur for share offering - MarketWatch
12:06 fluffypony http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sec-charges-bitcoin-entrepreneur-for-share-offering-2014-06-03?mod=latestnewssocialflow&link=sfmw
12:06 assbot SEC charges bitcoin entrepreneur for share offering - MarketWatch
12:06 nubbins` hahaha
12:06 chetty fluffypony, I beat you to it
12:06 fluffypony chetty: I know, I was just trying to be cool like you guys
12:06 fluffypony :-P
12:06 benkay sec confirmed to be criminals, prosecuting people who do it all above board over the outright frauds
12:07 nubbins` "Voorhees agreed to settle the charges by giving up the profits of $15,843.98 and paying a penalty of $35,000."
12:07 chetty yeah, they are tryihng to look busy I guess, got to earn those bonus
12:07 nubbins` VOORHEES AGREED TO FORK OVER 50BTC
12:07 * nubbins` gasps at the horror
12:07 fluffypony "giving up the profits of $15,843.98 and paying a penalty of $35,000"
12:07 fluffypony oh ffs nubbins`
12:07 benkay and in other, slightly related news, the creator of satoshi dice's daughter died in a plane crash
12:07 fluffypony stop beating me to it
12:08 chetty lmao
12:08 nubbins` fluffypony: suid afrika needs fibre internet
12:08 fluffypony lol
12:08 nubbins` your bits are too slow
12:08 benkay and you're running out
12:08 fluffypony benkay: who created satoshi dice's daughter?
12:08 fluffypony confused
12:08 fluffypony oh - you mean the daughter of the satoshi dice creator
12:08 fluffypony ffs my brain
12:08 benkay i labored over the sentence for maximum confuse
12:09 mike_c that must have been a great phone call. "Mr. Voorhees, give us 50 btc and it all goes away". "Uhh, seriously? Ok!"
12:09 jurov bitcoinpete: that's question for havelol, not me, if they do s.mg transfers to mpex at all.
12:09 benkay how did they come to the 15k number?
12:09 benkay ipo raise in fiat?
12:09 nubbins` who the fuck knows?
12:09 nubbins` how did they come to $35k?
12:09 nubbins` definitely took more money than that to get to this point
12:10 chetty yeah it almost reads like a joke
12:10 nubbins` "the sec is pleased to announce that it suffered a net loss of only $150,000 in securing mr voorhees' conviction"
12:10 nubbins` maybe dr foreskin is their supervisor?
12:11 chetty sec can't lose money, they just get more of yours
12:11 bitcoinpete jurov: aok
12:11 nubbins` well, not lose in the sense of "we can't find it"
12:12 nubbins` more lose in the sense of "we paid a bunch of shitbags their wages for doing pointless work, and they blew their money on nail painting and chicken bowls"
12:12 Mats_cd03 this cathy doesnt get it
12:12 nubbins` if she got it, she wouldn't work for motherboard
12:12 chetty http://www.sec.gov/litigation/admin/2014/33-9592.pdf
12:14 chetty In anticipation of the institution of these proceedings, Respondent has submitted an Offer
12:14 chetty of Settlement (the “Offer”) which the Commission has determined to accept
12:14 fluffypony https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=635317
12:14 assbot Myth: the Payment Protocol is bad for privacy
12:15 fluffypony reign of fire
12:15 fluffypony "You wasted two years of time to develop this useless feature, while there were so much more important issues to address in the bitcoin software.
12:15 fluffypony And here we are; few years later, the blocks are getting full and the only solution the bitcoin core lead dev has to address it, is still the same: we must increase the block size! "
12:15 chetty At the time of the
12:15 chetty SatoshiDICE
12:15 chetty offerings, the USD value of the total
12:15 chetty bitcoin
12:15 chetty s
12:15 chetty raised was
12:15 chetty approximately
12:15 chetty $
12:15 chetty 7
12:15 chetty 22,659
12:15 chetty .
12:15 chetty In July 2013,
12:15 chetty SatoshiDICE
12:15 fluffypony much flood
12:15 chetty bought back all outstanding SatoshiDICE sha
12:15 chetty res from investors at a price of 0.0035
12:15 chetty bitcoins per share
12:16 benkay oh chetty
12:16 chetty ,
12:16 chetty for a total of 45,500 bitcoins
12:16 chetty .
12:16 benkay lol that comma
12:16 chetty D
12:16 chetty ue to the significant rise in the exchange rate of
12:16 chetty b
12:16 chetty itcoin, the total USD amount paid to investors in the SatoshiDICE buy
12:16 chetty -
12:16 chetty back transaction
12:16 chetty (approximately $3.8 mil
12:16 chetty lion) exceeded the total USD amount raised
12:16 chetty oops sorry
12:16 TomServo What kind of retarded clipboard you runnin' over there?
12:16 chetty darn pdfs, anyway thats the SEC filing on Eric
12:16 bitcoinpete fluffypony: http://www.coindesk.com/south-african-smart-meters-incorporate-bitcoin-prepaid-electricity/ you win!
12:16 assbot Bitcoin Smart Meters Could Revolutionise How South Africans Pay for Power
12:17 fluffypony bitcoinpete: nobody uses those fancy ones except in like brand new super-wealthy residential estates
12:17 fluffypony we're still on post-paid
12:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3980 @ 0.00080433 = 3.2012 BTC [+]
12:18 bitcoinpete fluffypony: well, i just figured that with all the private jets...
12:18 fluffypony lol
12:18 fluffypony I like my electricity post-paid
12:19 chetty paste bin isnt much better but for those non-pdf folks: http://pastebin.com/QDZhnsuh
12:19 assbot UNITED STATES OF AMERICA Before the SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION SECU - Pastebin.com
12:19 bitcoinpete like your womenz
12:19 fluffypony bitcoinpete: exactly
12:20 bitcoinpete and with that, i'm off for now. bbl fo sho
12:20 nubbins` "The shares were listed on an entity known as the Global Bitcoin Stock Exchange (“GLBSE”), which purported to run a Bitcoin stock exchange."
12:20 nubbins` lelel
12:20 danielpbarron <+artifexd> So what are the "reasons that BTC is overwhelmingly white and male"? And why does "it matter"? << https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/473860965055078400
12:20 assbot The worst thing is there's actually a case to be made. But this is extraordinarily ignorant. http://t.co/BCWxgWZKLp /ARStrasser /Antiwar2
12:20 chetty The shares of SatoshiDICE were listed on MPEx, a
12:20 chetty purported Bitcoin trading platform based in Romania
12:21 mike_c who purported that?
12:24 fluffypony the SEC couldn't get an official response because they're not in the WoT
12:24 nubbins` [citation needed]
12:24 nubbins` [who?]
12:24 nubbins` etc
12:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 62 @ 0.00351102 = 0.2177 BTC [+]
12:24 chetty Respondent may pay by certified check, bank cashier’s check, or United States postal
12:24 chetty money order, made payable to the Securities and Exchange Commission and hand
12:24 chetty -
12:24 chetty delivered or mailed
12:24 chetty to:
12:24 chetty payment in USD not bitcoins
12:24 nubbins` "hey guys, all i have is like 60k bitcoins... can i pay with these?"
12:25 BCB http://www.sec.gov/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1370541972520#.U432_vk7u-0
12:25 assbot SEC.gov | SEC Charges Bitcoin Entrepreneur With Offering Unregistered Securities
12:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00080681 = 4.9215 BTC [+]
12:26 chetty oh and he isn't allowed to play for 5 years
12:26 fluffypony YOU'RE GROUNDED
12:26 nubbins` "The SEC’s investigation was conducted by Daphna A. Waxman, Daphne P. Downes, and Philip R. Moustakis of the New York Regional Office. Ms Waxman's contribution was particularly unimpressive; she has left the SEC to pursue other ventures."
12:26 artifexd danielpbarron: Thanks, but I just notice that conversation is over 3 months old. Probably a little late to get into it with her.
12:28 danielpbarron artifexd, lol so what? this is twitter
12:28 danielpbarron conversations can take place over any time period, between any number of individuals, and with any number of forks and sub-topics
12:29 danielpbarron it's not stupid facebook where all replies are a big wall of tldr; under the original post
12:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1199 @ 0.00012426 = 0.149 BTC [+] {2}
12:30 princessnell danielpbarron she won't respond. she did write an addendum, though: http://bitcoinwoman.com/index.php/bit-woman/stories/126-bitcoin-s-actual-privilege-problems-by-cathy-reisenwitz
12:30 assbot Bitcoins Actual Privilege Problems by Cathy Reisenwitz
12:30 princessnell basically women can't code cause patriarchy and that's bad, mmkay
12:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02100011 = 0.21 BTC [-]
12:33 benkay what a cloud war
12:33 benkay my goodness
12:33 bitstein Did she tell that to Ada Lovelace?
12:33 benkay so a use case
12:34 nubbins` i think the gist of that piece is "it behooves us all to get as many people as possible into bitcoin"
12:34 benkay i have clients. they have applications and no employees running the applications. they have their own aws account, and their code gets provisioned onto that.
12:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0738987 = 0.2217 BTC [-]
12:34 nubbins` i'm not fully sure that that's a sound premise
12:34 benkay but we're all derpy americans.
12:35 chetty well women take absolute privilege - to never take responsibility and blame all on being women, or so they think
12:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1403 @ 0.00016079 = 0.2256 BTC [+] {5}
12:36 bitstein My issue is even if we were to assume that to be true, whining about it on Twitter and on blogs does nothing to solve the problem. If you want to address that, write software that makes Bitcoin easier to use and accessible to more people. If you can't code, learn a language and help translate. Essentially, do anything *but* whine on Twitter and your blog.
12:36 pankkake it's weird to name yourself bitcoinwoman
12:36 pankkake you're supposed to have a unique name
12:36 pankkake there is only one bitcoin woman?
12:36 pankkake well there is only one bitcoinpete
12:36 TomServo wasn't there a wife too?
12:36 pankkake other petes are forbidden from bitcoining
12:37 TomServo thebitcoinwife.com
12:37 princessnell nubbins' the gist of that piece is clickbait + feels
12:37 bitstein There is "truebitcoingirl" - https://twitter.com/truebitcoingirl . princessnell is a phony.
12:37 assbot Bitcoin Girl (TrueBitcoinGirl) auf Twitter
12:37 chetty typical tard tho, blog and whine. Doing something takes work ya know
12:37 princessnell pankkake there's a whole cottage industry of bitcoin lady #brands
12:38 nubbins` i still think calling yourself "the bitcoin wife" is incredibly self-deprecating
12:38 nubbins` but that's just me
12:38 chetty and some of us (bitcoin women) are actually doing stuff even
12:38 nubbins` ^
12:39 jurov inb4 bitcoin grandma
12:39 danielpbarron part of my argument comes from my belief in The Bible which clearly says that all women should submit to a man (whether their father or their husband) and they should only do something (like coding, for example) if their man ordered them to do so; it's not a very responsible man that delegates his programming needs to a woman (who is probably better suited for things like child-rearing (although exceptions may apply))
12:40 TomServo blowstampgrandma
12:40 jurov (i can totally see something like that come from SA)
12:40 pankkake I had no idea chetty was a bitcoin woman until a few weeks ago, which is how things should usually be on the internet
12:40 pankkake nobody should know if you're a dog
12:40 pankkake TomServo: lel
12:40 princessnell i used to think to myself "well, these women are at least promoting the tech in a way that other women can understand." but they're only thinking of it as a consumption tool, which is worse than doing nothing at all.
12:41 chetty well I don't make an issue of it, its not relevant
12:42 nubbins` ^
12:42 princessnell jurov http://bapka.com/grandma-bitcoin/
12:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1500 @ 0.0001914 = 0.2871 BTC [+]
12:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.02100011 = 0.714 BTC [-]
12:45 jurov yup, polish bapka :)
12:49 fluffypony I always figured this is pankkake - http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/disco-mann-4820691.jpg
12:49 pankkake lol, not at all
12:49 fluffypony :-P
12:50 pankkake I am very boring looking
12:50 fluffypony http://messynessychic.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/screen-shot-2011-04-05-at-04-23-43.png
12:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00080681 = 5.6073 BTC [+]
12:53 nubbins` i did a portrait of pankkake once
12:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 87 @ 0.06220542 = 5.4119 BTC [-] {20}
12:53 nubbins` forget where it ended up
12:54 pankkake I didn't save it
12:56 fluffypony pankkake: maybe BMF stands for "Backup My Funds" ?
12:56 fluffypony :-P
12:57 pankkake butt my fuck
12:57 pankkake https://unsee.cc/mabozise/ for an actual drawing of me
12:57 assbot Unsee — Free online private photo sharing
12:58 fluffypony "draw me like one of your French girls" ?
12:58 nubbins` ^
12:58 nubbins` "rapper 50 cent accepts btc for new album; refuses to change name"
12:58 pankkake he would have to change his name every week
13:00 nubbins` nah man
13:00 nubbins` think in btc
13:00 nubbins` the usd/cad value fluctuates all the time, but we still call him 50 cent here
13:01 pankkake fifty bits? fithy satoshi?
13:03 pankkake ;;ticker --market bitcoincentral --currency eur
13:04 gribble Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 489.0, Best ask: 490.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 489.0, 24 hour volume: 130.59839747, 24 hour low: 455.00021, 24 hour high: 489.0, 24 hour vwap: 476.29561153
13:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.03019968 = 0.1208 BTC [+]
13:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.18334297 = 5.5003 BTC [-] {10}
13:15 chetty http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/277ohp/quick_statement_on_the_sec_erik_voorhees/
13:15 assbot Quick statement on the SEC - Erik Voorhees : Bitcoin
13:19 fluffypony "Rune_And_You 0 points 4 minutes ago (1|0)
13:19 fluffypony I think it's quite funny that a subreddit will end up becoming the center of the new financial reality. In a couple of years we'll have goldman sachs execs making sure to post all their bitcoin related announcements here. ;)"
13:23 pankkake lol
13:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02100011 = 0.105 BTC [-]
13:40 jurov wait what, sec officially posted the communique to reddit?
13:43 fluffypony no
13:43 fluffypony Erik did
13:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19505 @ 0.00081801 = 15.9553 BTC [+]
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14:06 Naphex soo the sec investigators were named
14:06 Naphex daphna and daphne?
14:07 Naphex nice.
14:08 moiety ya? well, I'm still CrazyBTCCatLady so no one forget that ok?
14:08 Naphex http://www.sec.gov/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1370541972520#.U44N5qX6irw
14:08 assbot SEC.gov | SEC Charges Bitcoin Entrepreneur With Offering Unregistered Securities
14:08 * moiety is reading the log btw
14:09 moiety all these bitcoinwumins running around the place
14:14 mike_c i don't know why everyone is so worried about women in bitcoin. the number of foreigners in bitcoin seems like a much bigger problem.
14:15 xmj it does.
14:15 xmj let's hate on all who do not reside in Luna Free Republic.
14:16 Mats_cd03 lets skip to the part where bitcoiners use kinetic weapons against the surface
14:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.19842742 = 2.778 BTC [+] {6}
14:17 benkay lets skip to the part where various bitcoiners have their own nukes
14:17 benkay also i have 6 hours of driving today: audiobook suggestions?
14:17 Mats_cd03 i like pimsleur if youre trying to listen to foreign language tapes
14:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.19856332 = 0.5957 BTC [+] {2}
14:18 jurov let's skip to the part where bitcoiners have personal drivers
14:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4095 @ 0.00081801 = 3.3498 BTC [+]
14:19 benkay <jurov> let's skip to the part where bitcoiners have personal drivers // sign my poor ass up
14:26 moiety jurov: 1. can i skip the personal drive and just have a manul instead? 2. was it me you were looking for earlier?
14:27 jurov moiety yes, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2014#699435
14:27 assbot #bitcoin-assets log
14:29 moiety ah thanks jurov, i'm reading backwards, which hasn't turned out to be the best plan
14:29 jurov and yes, i'm sure someone in russia will exchange nukes for manuls
14:30 jurov or orbital platforms
14:31 moiety totally fine! I'm sure i have a couple spare lying around
14:31 Mats_cd03 is there anything you can't buy in russia
14:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 589 @ 0.00046597 = 0.2745 BTC [-] {11}
14:35 thestringpuller ;;later tell nubbins` i misse you sorry
14:35 gribble The operation succeeded.
14:35 thestringpuller fluffypony: usagi thinks I'm shit talking him here when all I'm doing is stating the obvious
14:35 thestringpuller MPCD out performed NYAN
14:36 thestringpuller MPCD.A wasn't even insured but lost no value
14:37 moiety Mats_cd03: Putin's acceptance.
14:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.199 BTC [+]
14:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07387999 = 0.5172 BTC [-] {3}
14:44 midnightmagic our discussion centred on how you thought he was using a coinjoin'd transaction (re: "I taint the rich!" bitcointalk thread) to steal peoples' money or use the transaction as a historical proof that he had "access" to it in some form and thereby mislead less enlightened people for the purposes of loans or business shenanigans.
14:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07389 = 0.2217 BTC [+]
14:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.199 = 1.791 BTC [+]
14:57 princessnell http://www.businessinsider.com/vital-named-to-board-2014-5
14:57 assbot VITAL Named To Board - Business Insider
14:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07389 = 0.7389 BTC [+]
15:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.02100011 = 0.126 BTC [-]
15:06 bitstein http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/06/03/mastercoin-maidsafe-crowdsale/
15:06 assbot The First 'Bitcoin 2.0' Kickstarter-like Campaign Was A Wildly Successful $7 Million Disaster - Forbes
15:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1000 @ 0.00030045 = 0.3005 BTC [+] {3}
15:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 4402 @ 0.00030201 = 1.3294 BTC [+] {2}
15:08 BingoBoingo xmj: mircea_popescu maybe revists his ignore list annually...
15:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.07389 = 1.2561 BTC [+]
15:09 xmj Ok
15:09 BingoBoingo xmj: I'm also contemplating dedicated hardware for a simple wordpress blog.
15:09 xmj mutual plonking, then..
15:09 xmj BingoBoingo: I'm not saying dedicated is better, or virtualized is better.
15:09 xmj I'm describing my experience with startups, and they do not care one iot about buying hardware if they can just rent/lease
15:10 BingoBoingo xmj: Well, it is a little hard to weld a VPS shut before you drive it to the colo rack.
15:10 xmj why would you drive to the colo rack :p
15:11 xmj get a minion to do that for you.
15:11 BingoBoingo xmj: You drive there yourself so you can see if the place is somewhere you can comfortably park a server.
15:13 xmj yeah, that's what you do the first time..
15:13 mike_c %t
15:13 atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 143 Ask: 185 Last Price: 143 24h-Vol: 144k High: 144 Low: 143 VWAP: 143
15:14 mike_c hey mod6, how come atcbot won't talk to me in query?
15:14 BingoBoingo xmj: How many times do you need to replace well configured setups anyway?
15:14 mod6 doesn't do priv chat
15:15 xmj BingoBoingo: why replace when you can add :-)
15:15 mike_c any reason? worried about spam or something?
15:15 benkay http://www.mjfreeway.com/executive-team
15:15 assbot Executive Team | MJ Freeway
15:15 xmj BingoBoingo: seriously. i'm sure it's cheaper to have the server sent to the datacenter and hooked up by a technician
15:15 Naphex is this the whole expensive thinking discussion again?
15:15 Naphex its simple
15:16 xmj no, this is opportunity costs and econ 101.
15:16 BingoBoingo xmj: Why would adding happen at the same data center. "Rats Nest" is a perfectly defensible infrastructure strategy.
15:16 Naphex if you need secure shit, or you want your data secure you don't use VPS
15:16 Naphex period
15:16 Naphex if you're working on any app that doesn't need that, host it wherever you like
15:16 Naphex in ze cloud
15:19 * BingoBoingo is thinking of Sun workstation case with rail kit, stuffed full of dev boards and ssds for "blog server", plastic stripped off, welded shut.
15:19 Naphex sounds good!
15:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.07389913 = 3.695 BTC [+] {4}
15:22 BingoBoingo Naphex: Basically, taking the "micro cloud" concept and adding a dash of shop class. Then when it's down to one functioning board and/or disk replacing the unit.
15:24 mod6 mike_c: yeah, i think that was the reasoning.
15:25 BingoBoingo %book
15:25 atcbot 40k@205 0k@200 10k@185 | 22k@143 100k@141 250k@140
15:26 mod6 mike_c: I'll add that to the list of stuff. I'll let you know.
15:27 mike_c cool. thanks. didn't there used to be a way to get 30day vol?
15:27 mod6 not that I remember...
15:28 mike_c Apocalyptic: is 30day vol no longer available? or maybe it never was and i'm dreaming.
15:28 BingoBoingo %diff
15:28 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 178842.38 Est. Next Diff: 768307.81 in 858 blocks (#34272) Est. % Change: 329.60
15:28 Apocalyptic mike_c, It never was
15:29 mike_c ah, k.
15:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.02999995 = 3 BTC [+] {2}
15:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07398333 = 0.8878 BTC [+] {2}
15:36 moiety fluffypony: http://www.macpages.ru/sites/default/files/img02/macosxsnowleorapd.jpg i think we can all see this is the way forward for mac people?
15:37 fluffypony HAH AHAH AHAHAHA
15:37 fluffypony omg that's brilliant
15:37 Apocalyptic ^
15:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.075 = 0.375 BTC [+]
15:37 moiety :D i may need a bit of help from asciilifeform buti have a feeling it says "pet the OS, bitch"
15:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.07979516 = 1.9949 BTC [+] {3}
15:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 85 @ 0.00184866 = 0.1571 BTC [+]
15:39 BingoBoingo fluffypony: Is it just me or did Apple just rip of Xfce for Yosemite?
15:40 fluffypony BingoBoingo: "you'll notice the gorgeous translucency on this window"
15:41 BingoBoingo Oh, the logs. I'm catching up on. Looks like MP isn't getting extradited over S.DICE after all.
15:41 fluffypony heh heh
15:41 mike_c he didn't even have to kick in for the fine.
15:41 BingoBoingo Erik got burned for using GLBSE, and... that's it
15:42 Naphex https://imgur.com/a/Kj1oD so this is how a good scaled and tought out solution will look like if you planned stuff early
15:42 assbot good scaled hardware - Imgur
15:42 Naphex thats probably enough free space to scale for another 3 years
15:42 Naphex while running nicely very fast and not on stressed hardware
15:43 Naphex it will rape 2 days max of your time and insure you have a stable performant solution
15:43 BingoBoingo Naphex: Let us not forget relaxed hardware lasts longer as well
15:43 Naphex to serve those almighty precious customers
15:43 Naphex the cost of that should be small enough for any decently running bussiness to aford
15:43 Naphex and will have insanely higher reliability /performance then any cloud delivery
15:47 Naphex https://i.imgur.com/YhddPNq.png a look on yearly average. peaks is attack and wall cliffs are optimizations
15:49 BingoBoingo I still can't believe the SEC implicitly offered MPEx such a glowing endorsement today.
15:50 diametric okay so i preordered this xapo.
15:50 diametric someone tell me how terrible it is
15:52 BingoBoingo diametric: Is that the one with the underground bunker?
15:52 diametric The "Vault", yeah.
15:52 diametric I should say I preordered the Xapo debit card wallet product.
15:52 Naphex did they deliver?
15:53 diametric Well, I just "pre-ordered" it now, though I have yet to deposit or pay for anything.
15:54 diametric in fact, I got a whole 5k satoshis free with my account
15:54 diametric i'm rolling in it now
15:55 Naphex 5k satoshis
15:55 Naphex wow
15:55 Naphex those like 2 free timely confirmations?
15:56 diametric yeah!
15:57 diametric I can get myself another 2K satoshis if I allow them these simple permissions to my Twitter: http://i.imgur.com/N6NmeAg.png
15:57 Naphex why do they care about your twitter?
15:57 diametric See the permissions it grants? they can basically spam as me.
15:57 diametric As tempting as 2K SAT is, I'll pass.
15:58 Naphex oh cool, so you don't already spam your friends about bitcoin?
15:58 Naphex lol i gotta cheer up
16:02 fluffypony "I can’t tell if the altcoin people are trying to deliberately scam people or just not thinking ahead to the logical conclusions of these schemes. They’re trying to hit another bubble. They regret not buying Bitcoin when they could have. So they want to replay it. It’s like replaying a childhood trauma to overcome it but you just make it worse."
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16:03 fluffypony that is my new favourite quote
16:03 mike_c was that from pankkake?
16:05 fluffypony no
16:05 fluffypony Daniel Krawisz
16:05 fluffypony the dude that wrote the "appcoins are fraudulent" article
16:06 Naphex price needs to rise by bubbling up, to match demand though
16:06 Naphex and too make the market available for bigger guys
16:06 Naphex i want 100 mil of awesome bitcoins tomorrow
16:10 moiety https://vine.co/v/M6hOQ9EJlQY
16:10 assbot Dogs on Cinco De Mayo be like (Full version on my Instagram: moemamba) #salsa #cincodemayo
16:10 pankkake well, it's the obvious. altcoiners want to be early adopters
16:11 pankkake and altcoins are easier than time machines
16:11 fluffypony ;;gettrust assbot los_pantalones
16:11 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user los_pantalones: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=los_pantalones | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=los_pantalones | Rated since: Thu Apr 24 17:43:40 2014
16:11 moiety jurov: are you guys really wanting me to call missouri?!
16:12 BingoBoingo moiety: I believe so.
16:12 pankkake who's missouri?
16:12 moiety thought i had best check before doing it and you allbeing like, nooooo!
16:12 BingoBoingo moiety: Just make sure to call from -assets hotline
16:12 jurov moiety why not?
16:13 fluffypony moiety: I loaded funds into Skype so you can call out as well as receive calls
16:13 Naphex you guys want to hear something funny, youtube is probably the best place to advertise to engage bitcoin related / seeking audience ;o
16:13 Naphex i am surprised
16:16 moiety anything specific anyone wants me to say?
16:16 thestringpuller sex weeks
16:16 fluffypony seconded
16:17 moiety lol i can't say that
16:18 moiety ok i'll try and work it in
16:18 fluffypony hah hah
16:18 jurov say you;re interested about mpex stock exchange
16:18 jurov if it's legal, if it should be reported to irs
16:19 * moiety nods :]
16:19 moiety can i finish with something about manuls?
16:19 moiety kidding!!
16:20 jurov if they start to be chatty, feel free :)
16:20 jurov oh and if they know where else one can invest bitcoins in accord to all regulations and proper
16:22 BingoBoingo moiety: Tell them you are looking forward to football this season and finish with a chant of M-I-Z. They should respond with Z-O-U. If they don't offer that response it is a reportable offense.
16:23 BingoBoingo Also feel free to discuss any mutual dislike you and the corresponding party might share about Kansas (Quantrill should have burned it all).
16:28 fluffypony https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=591114.msg7093916#msg7093916
16:28 assbot [ANN] [NAUT] Nautiluscoin - First Coin w/Stabilization Fund - Digishield
16:28 fluffypony "Step 1. Build a Community. Step 2: Merchant Acceptance. Step 3: Oh, this is where we hire developers."
16:29 pankkake stabilization fund :|
16:29 fluffypony pankkake: I'll have you know, it was created by a CNBC contributor, so therefore.
16:30 mike_c Altcoin is the best altcoin because the core dev hates altcoins.
16:31 fluffypony SEE the power of the stabilisation fund: https://www.mintpal.com/market/NAUT/BTC
16:31 fluffypony switch to Max zoom
16:31 fluffypony and you can see how perfectly stable it is
16:33 punkman that's a lot of log today
16:33 punkman hello
16:33 punkman mike_c: altcoin has a core dev?
16:34 mike_c yes, but he won't admit to it (pankkake)
16:34 pankkake call it a guy who made commits
16:34 pankkake I'm Bernankoin's core dev though
16:35 penguirker New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/03/the-sec-bares-its-gums-and-settles-with-erik/
16:37 punkman %diff
16:37 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 178842.38 Est. Next Diff: 780964.62 in 803 blocks (#34272) Est. % Change: 336.68
16:38 BingoBoingo http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3602771
16:38 assbot Bitcoin Securities Issuer Settles with SEC - Slashdot
16:40 BingoBoingo Fuck it, might as well try this again. Got to beat Coindesk et al on this subject.
16:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.18305816 BTC [-]
16:41 jurov <Naphex> youtube - sauce?
16:42 Naphex jurov: adwords/analytics for btcxchange.ro
16:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 29 @ 0.18084523 = 5.2445 BTC [-] {15}
16:42 jurov http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEtsPfQtjW8 from this or some other vid?
16:42 assbot Cumpr Bitcoin prin intermediul btcXchange - YouTube
16:43 Naphex jurov: no, google placement ads
16:43 jurov hm interesting
16:44 Naphex a lot of interest in tutorial videos
16:44 Naphex so easy to engage audience
16:44 Naphex miners will look for miners, etc
16:44 Naphex also it is relativly cheap at 0.14eur/click
16:44 los_pantalones yeah!
16:44 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/473928096324665344
16:44 assbot Trying this again, been a while http://t.co/EaicbSjV6f /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash
16:45 diametric jurov: http://micropython.org/ re: the conversation yesterday. is only there had been a lisp machine like this
16:45 assbot Micro Python - Python for microcontrollers
16:46 jurov nah, trabant
16:46 BingoBoingo diametric: Why did they just go for a board and not a workstation?
16:47 jurov BingoBoingo: you prolly don't understand the appeal of such tiny machines
16:48 jurov people want to do things on rpi just coz it's cute
16:48 BingoBoingo jurov: Tiny machines exist only to assemble into large machines. Tiny machines are to easy to lose.
16:48 BingoBoingo They get buried under large machines.
16:49 jurov i was like "bitcoind node? onoes, just buy miniitx celeron and reuse old hdd"
16:49 jurov they were like "but i must do it on piiii"
16:51 jurov tinkerers and people who know how to do things right are such incredibly disjoint groups
16:51 BingoBoingo Pi ought to be thing real computers eat.
16:51 jurov that manu of the former never learn about the latter
16:51 jurov *many
16:53 jurov i'm not sure if it is similar on non-IT hobbies (maybe except audiophiles)
16:57 BingoBoingo If Pi wasn't ARM, it might be a decent upgrade for a compact Mac case, but not much else
17:00 jurov Tiny machines are to easy to lose. << your btc wallet is a semitrailer i guess?
17:01 BingoBoingo jurov: One possibility. Other is maybe a controlled form of lost
17:05 BingoBoingo jurov: Also who said anything about wallet being a machine?
17:06 jurov paper wallet shouldn't be easy to lose either
17:06 * jurov imagines stone megalith wallet
17:07 BingoBoingo Maybe stone, maybe paper, maybe vintage green uranium glass used for consuming whiskey on special occasions...
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17:25 BingoBoingo moiety: When your phone call is over http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/03/the-problem-with-apple/ has Manul
17:25 assbot The Problem with Apple | Bingo Blog
17:36 Mats_cd03 ;;bc,stats
17:36 gribble Current Blocks: 304076 | Current Difficulty: 1.0455720138484837E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 304415 | Next Difficulty In: 339 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 23 hours, 1 minute, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11657191762.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.49105
17:37 BingoBoingo And the last two days "No" on Bastille Day got very dangerous again.
17:38 Mats_cd03 ;;ticker
17:38 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 668.57, Best ask: 670.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.43000, Last trade: 670.0, 24 hour volume: 17618.68361236, 24 hour low: 649.61, 24 hour high: 680.99, 24 hour vwap: 665.876747446
17:38 mike_c big spike in nethash last couple hundred blocks
17:40 BingoBoingo I'm hoping Knc, "board can have problems too" kind of nethash
17:42 mike_c it is truly amazing how it keeps doubling
17:42 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
17:44 mike_c x.idiff.jun could be at management's discretion.. next diff bump may well be on settlement day.
17:52 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
17:52 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 667.1, vol: 17537.18824609 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 656.0, vol: 10303.8218 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 668.0, vol: 25046.49650475 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 679.9, vol: 43.63450786 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 663.895206, vol: 6963.03280000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 668.40406, vol: 19.58697317 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 667.772, vol: 112.92914708 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
17:52 BingoBoingo ;;more
17:52 gribble 665.209412526
17:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0205 = 0.1025 BTC [-]
17:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.19753357 = 0.7901 BTC [+] {2}
17:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.19957174 = 1.1974 BTC [+] {4}
17:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00186777 = 0.1121 BTC [+]
18:00 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/taosecurity/status/473938787106430976
18:00 assbot If DARPA had insurgents fire anti-tank weapons at the autonomous vehicles in their land challenge, it would give them an idea about /hashtag/cyber?src=hash.
18:02 BingoBoingo From ozbot in exile https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdpwmewdyk1r1z9vzo1_1280.jpg
18:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0235103 = 0.2351 BTC [-]
18:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.0235102 = 0.3291 BTC [-]
18:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.02026 = 0.2836 BTC [-]
18:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07000211 = 0.14 BTC [+] {2}
18:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 123 @ 0.02026 = 2.492 BTC [-] {4}
18:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00086158 = 17.2316 BTC [-] {2}
18:07 BingoBoingo http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/06/lifestyle-modified/
18:07 assbot Patient's Modified Lifestyle Kills Doctor | Medical Satire - GomerBlog
18:08 BingoBoingo ^ The story of -assets
18:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20150 @ 0.00085865 = 17.3018 BTC [-] {2}
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18:29 moiety D; they won't answer to meeeee
18:30 moiety but i did realise i'm probably not within their hours now, will try again tomorrow
18:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.0235102 = 0.2586 BTC [-]
18:32 asciilifeform jurov: the 'pi' would be neat if it actually... worked. (entirely aside from the evil closed blob running at all times.) try, for instance, using ethernet and usb at full throttle on your unit, see what happens.
18:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.0205 = 0.2255 BTC [+] {3}
18:34 moiety BingoBoingo!! most epic blog post is epic! I'm reposting!
18:35 asciilifeform jurov: i've a small collection of various cheapo 'arm' boards, just like everyone. the 'pi' collects dust. did recently get openbsd running on another one (beagle?) recently.
18:36 Mats_cd03 cool
18:36 asciilifeform still quite useless - they all have ridiculously slow bus
18:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.021 = 0.21 BTC [+] {2}
18:37 asciilifeform 'real' microcontrollers are far more interesting. the proliferation of the cheap arm boards is really because today's hobbyists piss their pants at the thought of learning asm
18:38 jurov i'm using pi just as an illustration that people you may want to get interested in lisp start by getting emotionally hooked onto coding, regardless of what's available being utter crap
18:38 asciilifeform (a 'traditional' micro has a few kb of ram)
18:38 jurov and then continue on the trajectory, never even getting to know there's something better
18:40 asciilifeform jurov: clisp builds on arm. but sbcl doesn't (the latter has no interpreter mode, it has a high quality optimizing - real time - compiler on x86 and a few other archs.)
18:41 asciilifeform lisp on a microcontroller that isn't optimized for high-level languages (a la the greenarrays forth chip) isn't much fun. it's like going back to the mid-80s, when microcomputer owners justifiably scoffed at 'slow' languages
18:42 jurov python isn't either
18:42 asciilifeform the python linked earlier (diametric?) isn't a proper python, where the interpreter is available at run time, but, as i understand, a simple batch-mode compiler.
18:42 asciilifeform (anyone who read the entire manual, please correct me if i am mistaken)
18:43 jurov idk, it boasts "REPL in 2K RAM"
18:44 jurov but this discussion is getting derailed again anyway
18:44 asciilifeform if they actually fit a python in 2kb, that's pretty neat.
18:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07966853 = 0.239 BTC [+]
18:48 asciilifeform BingoBoingo, jurov: stone megalith wallet << if you buy a laser cutter, you can make actual stone wallet.
18:48 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Traditional "bastard" file cuts stone well enough
18:48 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: that sounds too much like work
18:49 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Not if you carve in a shorthand
18:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 62 @ 0.07969954 = 4.9414 BTC [+] {2}
18:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8422 @ 0.0008571 = 7.2185 BTC [-]
18:51 * punkman is thinking 1BTC coins made of 10kg marble slabs
18:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07979979 = 0.2394 BTC [+]
18:52 BingoBoingo moiety: You have to remember you have blog too nao.
18:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07979984 = 0.3192 BTC [+] {2}
18:53 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i don't really get the fixation with 'physical bitcoins.' care to try explaining ?
18:53 asciilifeform it inescapably reminds me of the 1890s autos with reins
18:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0799 = 0.3995 BTC [+]
18:55 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I'm not too sure about it either. I like the idea that they mean an intruder would have to scour my junk in addition to the computing and electronic equipment. People who pay for manufactered solutions and their reasoning elludes me. Maybe the husk of a Cascius has some collectible value?
18:56 dub similar(ly stupid) ideas about spending them after fiat collapses as metals probably, libertardation
18:56 BingoBoingo Any thing physical I may or may not do with individual private keys would probably be part of a rats nest strategy to avoid ever being completely robbed.
18:57 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: this is not unlike the psychology of the folks who buy books on 'how to hide things'
18:57 asciilifeform (which, if read literally, amount to a 'what not to do')
18:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.08 = 0.16 BTC [+] {2}
18:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.0008571 = 6.7711 BTC [-]
18:59 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Seems that way. I dunno why properly concealed physically stored private key could not be a viable option for the post-rectothermal healthcare fund.
19:00 mike_c would not rectothermal analysis provide the location of the stored key?
19:00 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the typical rectothermal session involves separation from one's worldly goods
19:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00085673 = 4.2837 BTC [-] {2}
19:00 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: No reason physical key of last resort need be within a hundred miles of anywhere you live or frequent
19:01 BingoBoingo if properly concealed
19:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.08 = 0.16 BTC [+]
19:05 BingoBoingo New risks of loss are introduced, but... The scenario in which it would be useful is different as well.
19:06 jurov http://mivoltma.444.hu/assets/sites/23/2014/05/kuczynskigif1-animated.gif
19:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 25 @ 0.02109458 = 0.5274 BTC [+] {8}
19:08 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: seems to me like the physical hiding place approach suffers from the same problems as 'brainwallet.'
19:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00086456 = 25.4181 BTC [+] {2}
19:09 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Definitely in terms of "wallet mining"
19:10 asciilifeform a successfully 'mined' brainwallet is... a failed iq test.
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19:12 BingoBoingo And then there's also the problem of "place can have problems too"
19:13 asciilifeform if herr torquemada is working on you, your wallet is lost, regardless of what kind (only real countermeasure is cyanide tooth or the like.)
19:16 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Tooth must be dangerously fragile though, so one can have a standoff end with a swift movement of the tongue.
19:16 asciilifeform actually, one possible technological countermeasure is: to carry around some gizmo that will transmit a transaction moving your coin to a trusted confederate, when the pin is pulled.
19:17 asciilifeform easier said than done, though.
19:19 asciilifeform (if you actually want to do this: have multiple allies, shamir-split a key, then set 'dead man switch' that broadcasts the magic tx if you fail to reset it for x days, etc)
19:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
19:27 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Even if that isn't what's actually done, that may be the best thing to have people believe is being done.
19:28 asciilifeform [insert standard discussion of the game theory of nuclear war by schelling & friends here.]
19:29 moiety BingoBoingo: moiety: You have to remember you have blog too nao. << it's not mine though, I might start one, i'm seeing more things all the time i'd like to collate together
19:30 asciilifeform i'll point out that it helps to have a clear picture of what your objective will be once you're hanging upside-down in torquemada's workshop.
19:30 asciilifeform is it to persuade him to turn you loose? to transfer your coin to your fellow partizans asap, because you are certain to perish anyway? some other goal?
19:31 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Reasonable option seems to be dead man switch sends the coins to Mugabe
19:32 asciilifeform the 'only winning move,' of course, is 'not to play' - reducing your chances of ending up in that position in the first place, through convincing deterrent (or quick legs!)
19:32 jurov turnig yourself in preventively to the right party
19:33 asciilifeform the fine art of surrender.
19:33 asciilifeform [insert obligatory barb at the french here]
19:34 BingoBoingo You die, coins go to party inquisitor finds despicable. Simply hope the CIA isn't a frenemy of theirs and wants to fund them.
19:34 asciilifeform there's definitely room for a 'dead hand' service/product.
19:35 asciilifeform ;;google dead hand
19:35 gribble Dead Hand (nuclear war) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Hand_(nuclear_war)>; Dead Hand - Zelda Wiki: <http://zeldawiki.org/Dead_Hand>; Inside the Apocalyptic Soviet Doomsday Machine - Wired: <http://www.wired.com/politics/security/magazine/17-10/mf_deadhand?currentPage=all>
19:35 BingoBoingo There's also the possiblity of multiple inquistors over time.
19:35 BingoBoingo With varying aims.
19:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12631 @ 0.00086494 = 10.9251 BTC [+]
19:36 punkman asciilifeform: you mean like this? http://www.deadmansswitch.net/
19:36 assbot Dead Man's Switch
19:36 * asciilifeform automatically recalls an ancient sf story about a very unlucky immortal fellow, who goes from dungeon to dungeon, ending up at torquemada's, the gestapo, on and on...
19:37 jurov BingoBoingo you're preparing for the PARC or whatever colombia revolutionary movement encounter?
19:38 BingoBoingo jurov: Not impossible that I am.
19:38 * BingoBoingo should probably practice running
19:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.04954094 = 0.1486 BTC [-]
19:38 jurov i'm not sure they'll understand fine points of such complicated strategy as "i die, money goes to cia"
19:39 jurov "okay, we'll use your corpse to extort cia"
19:39 asciilifeform think of how funny it'd be, setting up elaborate dead man switch, then captured by a fellow who just wants to sell your organs.
19:41 jurov or slipping up home in the bathroom
19:42 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I think at that point you have to play the Hannibal card and try purchasing organs yourself.
19:42 BingoBoingo I'm also rather sure my organs aren't the sort to fetch top dollar
19:42 asciilifeform deterrence weapon naturally doesn't make you immortal - the best possible use of it is to cool the enthusiasm of folks who'd like to hasten the inevitable.
19:45 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: There was this Simpsons episode back in the day where it was revealed the elderly hero had the gift of immortality to the sheer number of terminal diseases he had forming a sort of homeostasis sustaining him.
19:45 asciilifeform my organs aren't the sort to fetch top dollar << the 'i own just the shirt on my back' defense worked pretty well historically. if the enemy finds it convincing.
19:46 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I'll have to manage to keep a thick stench of cigarettes and booze sweat through the Darien.
19:48 asciilifeform however, the reason why it is customary to sit a captured wretch on an anthill, or the like, without first inquiring about his assets, is that in such a situation the definition of 'assets' expands to everything the victim could potentially beg/borrow/steal
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19:48 asciilifeform as described in an old book, 'how to collect illegal debts' (actual title)
19:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0202522 = 0.2025 BTC [-] {2}
19:49 moiety asciilifeform: there's more music! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAP0h9Yl_hc // also, I have been playing with the microwriter emulator :D
19:49 assbot - YouTube
19:49 BingoBoingo I'd suck if they sent me back to 'Murica full of cocaine baloons
19:50 moiety here, booze sweat is just a beer jacket: keeps you warm but it's not warm enough to sweat
19:51 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: in the textbook 'rectothermal cryptoanalysis' of '90s russia, the purpose of the soldering iron was typically to help the 'patient'... 'remember' not only the locations of hidden goodies, but also places where he might yet be able to borrow/steal.
19:52 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Assuming they don't want library books... Probably going to get drafted as a drug mule.
19:53 asciilifeform i'd assume that a 'mule' gets an (unarmed) 'helper,' who ensures that he can't cough up the payload ahead of schedule.
19:55 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I'd assume so as well. Probably also a reception party.
19:57 BingoBoingo bitcoinpete: Help spread the love http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3602771
19:57 assbot Bitcoin Securities Issuer Settles with SEC - Slashdot
20:00 asciilifeform moiety: the emulator is a very ragged toy. the actual gadget works considerably better.
20:01 asciilifeform at some point i'll get around to selling the actual microwriter
20:01 asciilifeform (not much use for it here)
20:01 bitcoinpete BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/473977662294081537
20:01 assbot SEC, Voorhees, etc. http://t.co/AZIAh29FsN via /BBoingo
20:02 BingoBoingo bitcoinpete: Thanks. Got to beat Coindesk to the aggragators
20:02 BingoBoingo moiety: I'm guessing you aren't familiar serious humidity.
20:03 bitcoinpete np
20:04 BingoBoingo bitcoinpete: You seem to have the stronger social media presence
20:05 asciilifeform taking joy in having 'strong social media presence' would be rather like rejoicing in living next to a swamp, to have 'strong mosquito presence'
20:06 bitcoinpete BingoBoingo: lol seem? i'm happy to help :)
20:06 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It isn't that there is benefit derived from it. It is that when we can beat the Coindesks to the aggregators, it injures them in ways only they can rationalize.
20:07 BingoBoingo bitcoinpete: Well, I'm gifting you that Canadian modesty.
20:08 bitcoinpete asciilifeform: there's most certainly benefit derived from twitter and west nile isn't the half of it
20:08 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
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20:08 bitcoinpete not saying it's much of a benefit… just non-zero
20:09 asciilifeform think back to the purpose of the phoundation.
20:10 asciilifeform or the myriad 'tame' seekoority blogs, which studiously avoid mention of nsa, etc.
20:11 moiety BingoBoingo: not really, I don't think thailand for a fortnight, hopping from aircon to aircon counts lol
20:12 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I remember that time quite a while back when, maybe it was accident on your part, but you loosened the anus's of the various Apple Occultists with your hypercard post.
20:12 * BingoBoingo realized this week he had indeed run into Loper well before -assets
20:13 BingoBoingo Digging through archives I found hypercard setup VM exactly as asciilifeform described
20:14 moiety asciilifeform: what should a microwriter cost now (approx)?
20:21 asciilifeform moiety: no clue. got mine on ebay a few yrs back for about 100 usd
20:21 asciilifeform moiety: it's rare enough that there is no ready source for it
20:22 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: loosened the anus's of the various Apple Occultists << that might've been 'non-apple's mistake'
20:24 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well, the VM's name was one of the library school classes, so maybe I did the loosening during a presentation in a technology class.
20:24 moiety you get modern usb ones :o i think the older ones look nicer though.definitely one for the collection
20:25 BingoBoingo This was a crowd of the sort where "technology"=="social media"
20:25 Bet placed: 1.5 BTC for No on "Bitcoin over $1000 before September" http://bitbet.us/bet/866/ Odds: 57(Y):43(N) by coin, 58(Y):42(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.02379439 BTC. Current weight: 90,188.
20:25 nubbins` BingoBoingo: i actually had wondered why $15k plus damages -- didn't realize until you pointed out that they didn't touch s.dice
20:25 nubbins` ty
20:26 BingoBoingo nubbins`: You're welcome. I mean the summaries suck when the ignore the SEC's endorsement of MPEx in the actual filing.
20:26 nubbins` well, you're one upvote closer to the front page
20:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00086494 = 4.5842 BTC [+]
20:27 * BingoBoingo remembers the project as "present what three vendors have in the way of tools for advancing technology education"
20:30 * BingoBoingo presented OS 7.5.1 with Hypercard, lynx, and Sun Ultra 80.
20:30 bloctoc Financial Times has a paragraph today on mpex, alongside the SEC story on Erik Vorhees.
20:30 nubbins` link?
20:30 nubbins` this is actually hilariously epic
20:31 nubbins` mp tells the sec to get stuffed, they shrug and then do exactly that
20:31 bloctoc probably won't work, but here goes:
20:31 bloctoc http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/d918d732-eb33-11e3-8a5f-00144feabdc0.html?siteedition=intl#axzz33cnsgN8s
20:31 assbot Financial Times | Error | Akamai Error
20:31 BingoBoingo bloctoc: Paste?
20:32 moiety http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d918d732-eb33-11e3-8a5f-00144feabdc0.html
20:32 assbot Financial Times | Error | Akamai Error
20:32 moiety whyyyy
20:32 bloctoc can you yokels not afford FT subscription?
20:32 nubbins` it's more a case of not being interested in supporting a paywall
20:32 BingoBoingo bloctoc: Not can't afford. Can't conscience sending them money.
20:33 BingoBoingo They aren't in my WoT
20:34 bloctoc that may change. FT didn't mention the price or say btc is tulip, ponzi, scam. They're usually pretty abusive.
20:35 bloctoc High quality global journalism requires investment. Please share this article with others using the link below, do not cut & paste the article. See our Ts&Cs and Copyright Policy for more detail. Email ftsales.support@ft.com to buy additional rights. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d918d732-eb33-11e3-8a5f-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz33cqGlqoz
20:35 assbot Financial Times | Error | Akamai Error
20:35 bloctoc A number of Bitcoin enthusiasts have been drawn to trading in shares of virtual currency companies, or other financial instruments such as Bitcoin derivatives, traded in Bitcoin on unregulated websites. MPex, the Romanian exchange where SatoshiDice used to trade, currently lists four stocks, one fund and five derivatives for trading.
20:35 bloctoc was that paywall too?
20:36 BingoBoingo bloctoc: yeah, they are writing out their possibility of being in my WoT with the inane engineering of their paywall
20:37 nubbins` hahahah
20:37 nubbins` bloctoc, view source
20:37 nubbins` those bastards
20:37 nubbins` i'll never give them money now
20:37 bloctoc put me in your wot and I'll pm you
20:37 nubbins` but i don't trust you D:
20:38 bloctoc what? I'm a great guy!
20:39 BingoBoingo bloctoc: Have you even looked at ft.com on lynx if you reject cookies?
20:40 bloctoc that doesn't sound even remotely fun.
20:40 nubbins` http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-motorist-accused-in-two-deaths-said-she-was-helping-ducks-1.2663840
20:40 assbot Quebec motorist accused in two deaths said she was helping ducks - Montreal - CBC News
20:40 mike_c http://www.dpaste.com/2FV2RAW/#wrap
20:40 assbot dpaste: 2FV2RAW
20:41 mike_c ^ ft article
20:42 BingoBoingo ;;rate mike_c 3 liberator, analytic, numerical enforcer of honesty
20:42 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user mike_c has been recorded.
20:42 mike_c grazie
20:43 BingoBoingo mike_c: I'm not sure, but I think I just changed the text
20:44 BingoBoingo ;;rate asciilifeform 4 Realized I've been using his writings longer than I remembered
20:44 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user asciilifeform has changed from 2 to 4.
20:44 moiety Paste of FT.com article for anyone wanting it: http://justpaste.it/030614
20:44 assbot Bitcoin business owner fined by SEC over share sales By... - justpaste.it
20:44 moiety ah i'm too slow mike_c XD
20:46 mike_c yours has nicer fonts though.
20:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00086541 = 4.7598 BTC [+]
20:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00086559 = 11.3392 BTC [+]
20:48 bloctoc did satoshi dice really raise 10 million BTC?
20:49 bloctoc with a 100 Million BTC valuation?
20:49 bloctoc seems almost impossible
20:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2 = 0.4 BTC [+]
20:50 nubbins` things were different back then
20:51 mike_c that is still impossible. that would have been, what, ALL the btc?
20:51 bloctoc there was a cap of 21 million btc back then
20:51 bloctoc I think 100 million is all the doge
20:52 mike_c nobody would have been able to play :)
20:52 BingoBoingo bloctoc: I thought circulating Doge was in the Billions, either tens or hundreds of
20:52 nubbins` wait, "back then"?
20:56 bloctoc nubbins I'm saying the important things haven't changed since back then.
20:58 nubbins` ah
21:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2 = 1 BTC [+]
21:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4263 @ 0.00008018 = 0.3418 BTC [-] {8}
21:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5139 @ 0.00007993 = 0.4108 BTC [-] {2}
21:09 mike_c lol. wikipedia is not as creative as us. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber-hose_cryptanalysis
21:09 assbot Rubber-hose cryptanalysis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
21:11 mike_c it's funny how many google queries lead back to stan
21:11 mike_c ;;google rectothermal cryptanalysis
21:11 gribble Schneier on Security: Rubber-Hose Cryptanalysis: <https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/10/rubber_hose_cry.html>; Loper OS » Practical Cryptoanalysis of Elliptic Curve DSA.: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1061>; Cryptanalysis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptanalysis>
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21:16 asciilifeform mike_c: searched for schematics of constant voltage transformer last night, in 'google images', ended up getting this - http://www.maxfarquar.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Oh-Fuck.png
21:17 asciilifeform on account of it being in kako's channel log!
21:17 mike_c i saw that earlier. cracks me up :)
21:18 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: See this linking and getting linked thing is insidious...
21:18 asciilifeform and then had a colleague look up 'dec alpha' machine, in same search, and he got... an old post of mine.
21:18 asciilifeform surely i'm not the only person to post a picture of dec alpha.
21:18 asciilifeform conclusion, is, inescapably, that google sucks. but this isn't a discovery.
21:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44319 @ 0.00086494 = 38.3333 BTC [-]
21:19 BingoBoingo I wonder if Oreilly would actually commision that title though. I'd buy it.
21:19 mike_c it's like democracy. the worst except for the alternatives.
21:19 asciilifeform i sort of suspect that google tries to feed people their own shit deliberately - by ip block if possible, or by relational inference of some form if not
21:20 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: That it does
21:21 mike_c damn, jd had a good day.
21:21 mike_c !jd mpif
21:21 assbot Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 167.34645873 BTC; +0.36335907 BTC (+0.2176%) since last check 1d 3h 29m 42s ago.
21:21 asciilifeform BingoBoingo, moiety: i didn't know vorhees might've been a spammer. is the accusation true?
21:21 asciilifeform i.e. 'paid users in virtual currency when they retweeted promotional material on Twitter.'
21:22 mike_c line between a marketer and a spammer is thin.
21:22 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It's basically what FeedZeBirds was
21:23 asciilifeform damn, i was hoping it was a cruel lie.
21:23 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Dunno what it really did. I think he bought it second or third hand
21:24 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: You also have to understand. Of the relatively early Bitcoiners MP is practically a saint.
21:25 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: understatement. practically the only participant whose product works 'as printed on the crate'
21:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5209 @ 0.0000889 = 0.4631 BTC [+] {2}
21:25 asciilifeform (to this day)
21:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6981 @ 0.00086537 = 6.0411 BTC [+] {2}
21:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.075 = 0.75 BTC [-]
21:28 asciilifeform mike_c: the worst except for the alternatives << i sometimes use 'yandex.' it's encrusted with 1990s-style pestilential ad crapola, but mostly works.
21:29 asciilifeform line between a marketer and a spammer << 'cold-caller' is a spammer, period.
21:29 asciilifeform if successful cold-call, might be forgiven, 'treason prospers for the reason that if it prospers none dare call it treason...' etc
21:30 asciilifeform but spam is spam.
21:30 asciilifeform *never prospers
21:34 peterl I used feedzebirds briefly
21:34 peterl it seemed like a nice idea
21:35 BingoBoingo peterl: Do you remember what exactly it was about?
21:35 peterl you got to pick the retweets to send out, and so you could just use the interesting ones
21:36 peterl you got paid based on how many followers you had
21:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1777 @ 0.00007902 = 0.1404 BTC [-] {3}
21:48 moiety !up Vexual
21:49 moiety i'll make you shortbread if you ever get in the WoT Vexual :]
21:50 Vexual why thankyou
21:51 BingoBoingo https://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=504126.0
21:51 assbot [Cryptostocks]JDBIF another scammer that claims to have lost funds | Bitcointa.lk
21:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2929 @ 0.00007605 = 0.2228 BTC [+]
22:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5135 @ 0.00007439 = 0.382 BTC [-] {4}
22:04 decimation asciilifeform: do you think it's possible to synthesize VHDL to a 7400 TTL netlist?
22:05 Vexual usagi hotwallet method:to a hot array of failing hard disks is added a bitcoin wallet, and all backups. Hotter coffee is added splashwise until the hot wallet becomes cold.
22:05 BingoBoingo lol Vexual
22:06 BingoBoingo So. Meterologists are supposing a derechero is possible here in 7-12 hours. If I go silent after that time for a while cause is more likely power outage than rectotherm.
22:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2476 @ 0.00007194 = 0.1781 BTC [-] {5}
22:08 BingoBoingo !up Phinnaeus
22:08 BingoBoingo Phinnaeus: Are you finally here, away from the forum?
22:08 Phinnaeus i was just invited
22:08 Vexual what are you making ascii?
22:08 BingoBoingo ;;later tell mircea_popescu I did it
22:08 gribble The operation succeeded.
22:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.07600001 = 0.532 BTC [-] {3}
22:09 BingoBoingo Phinnaeus: Mp isn't on atm
22:09 Phinnaeus k
22:09 BingoBoingo Phinnaeus: But basically this is where him and Hanbot live now.
22:09 Phinnaeus i bet she misses me
22:09 BingoBoingo Indeed
22:09 BingoBoingo Mircea does too
22:09 BingoBoingo MP just moved to Argentina and is busy eating all the steak he can
22:09 Phinnaeus it's been a while since I've used IRC.
22:09 Vexual nsa cocktop?
22:09 Phinnaeus I rarely use it.
22:10 BingoBoingo Phinnaeus: I've moved away from the forum in favor of it after having only a few hours playing with it previously
22:11 Phinnaeus Somebody else from the forum is in Argentina, if I'm not mistaken.
22:11 decimation https://code.google.com/p/end-to-end/
22:11 assbot end-to-end - End-To-End - Google Project Hosting
22:11 BingoBoingo Phinnaeus: I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few are
22:12 BingoBoingo Phinnaeus: How is the northern part of our corrupt hellhole?
22:12 Phinnaeus Does the name Florian Gasquez ring a bell for anybody here?
22:12 decimation "Why do you only support Elliptic Curve (EC) key generation? Generating RSA keypairs is very significantly slower than generating EC-based ones. EC-based keys are just as secure. "
22:12 decimation Eat recycled food etc.
22:13 BingoBoingo Phinnaeus: Not atm for me
22:13 Phinnaeus Look at the bottom of this page: http://web.archive.org/web/20040324225938/http://ff.st/fr/ He still keeps in contact with Mark Karpeles
22:13 assbot FF.ST
22:14 Phinnaeus yes, assbot
22:14 BingoBoingo Interesting...
22:14 Phinnaeus now go to his twitter account: https://twitter.com/un_geek/followers
22:14 assbot Bei Twitter anmelden
22:14 Phinnaeus followers was not important,,,, wrong link
22:15 BingoBoingo Ah, Phin are you in the bitcoin-otc WoT yet?
22:15 BingoBoingo !up Phinnaeus
22:15 Phinnaeus but this part is: https://twitter.com/Weelya
22:15 assbot weelya (weelya) auf Twitter
22:16 BingoBoingo Moar interesting
22:16 Phinnaeus Boy, I think I just figured out that assbot is not a real person.
22:16 BingoBoingo it happens
22:16 BingoBoingo kakobrekla is assbot's bot herder
22:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07501054 = 0.3751 BTC [+]
22:17 BingoBoingo !topic
22:17 BingoBoingo http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com
22:17 assbot #bitcoin-assets | You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship.
22:17 assbot #bitcoin-assets log
22:17 assbot #bitcoin-assets bash
22:17 assbot Assets Assimilated
22:17 BingoBoingo Phinnaeus: Anyways this channel has a log, and a bash and other shit
22:17 Phinnaeus Now, go here and read the last few tweets (will only take a sec): https://twitter.com/sboj
22:17 assbot Steve Boj (sboj) auf Twitter
22:18 * BingoBoingo can't tell if nausea is the vodka or the tweet connections
22:19 BingoBoingo !up Vexual
22:20 Phinnaeus Then it all ties in to something call http://ape-project.org/
22:20 assbot APE (Ajax Push Engine) :: Comet server :: Real time data streaming
22:20 BingoBoingo OMG AJAX is a scammer!
22:20 Phinnaeus what the heck is a bot herder
22:21 BingoBoingo Phinnaeus: He keeps the IRC bot in line and occasionally blesses it with new functions
22:21 Phinnaeus http://goatsdoitonmounds.org
22:21 Phinnaeus I think I just broke it. LOL
22:21 BingoBoingo http://goatsonthings.tumblr.com/page/9
22:22 assbot Goats On Things
22:22 Phinnaeus ...so I thought
22:22 BingoBoingo Yeah
22:22 BingoBoingo The title thing is pretty new. ozbot used to do that and deliver porn to the channel
22:23 Vexual what happened to that?
22:23 BingoBoingo ;;google site:trilema.com #bitcoin-assets +m
22:23 gribble #bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/>; A virtual socioeconomic problem pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/a-virtual-socioeconomic-problem/>; The elitism memory hole effect pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-elitism-memory-hole-effect/>
22:23 Vexual .d
22:24 BingoBoingo ;;gettrust Phinnaeus
22:24 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user Phinnaeus: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=Phinnaeus | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Phinnaeus | Rated since: never
22:25 Phinnaeus I'm curious as to when Micrea had that pic taken where he's in front of the pyramid on a horse.
22:25 BingoBoingo Apparently that was years ago
22:25 Phinnaeus 2008
22:25 Phinnaeus When Brock Pierce was there?
22:25 BingoBoingo I don't know for sure
22:26 BingoBoingo Brock Pierce is a fucking chomo
22:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
22:26 Phinnaeus What is this trust thing I'm asked to get?
22:26 BingoBoingo Phinnaeus: You can register a GPG key or BTC address with gribble
22:27 BingoBoingo then I can rate you and you can get auto voice for being Phinnaeus
22:27 Vexual does gribble flip coins?
22:27 BingoBoingo ;;coin
22:27 gribble heads
22:27 BingoBoingo ;;coin
22:27 gribble heads
22:27 BingoBoingo ;;coin
22:27 gribble tails
22:27 Vexual can she flip 2?
22:27 BingoBoingo http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System
22:27 assbot OTC Rating System - bitcoin-otc wiki
22:27 BingoBoingo ^ Phinnaeus
22:27 Phinnaeus Okay. Gribble, send me some coins via the address I'm about to give you so that you truly know it's me.
22:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0278007 = 0.278 BTC [+]
22:28 BingoBoingo lol
22:28 BingoBoingo If you BTC address auth it's the stupid signature thing...
22:29 Phinnaeus I could reply to the person who sent me here via PM on BT
22:29 BingoBoingo Phinnaeus: That's me. I'm Atruk on the forum.
22:30 Phinnaeus Just sent you a PM
22:30 BingoBoingo Tis indeed you
22:30 Phinnaeus You can me me, too. 815-508-1668
22:31 BingoBoingo Phinnaeus: But if you know I'm 618 that's like... 3/5ths of the state's area I could be in
22:32 BingoBoingo I also can't register you with the bots... Once you are registered I can rate you.
22:32 BingoBoingo My powers though are limited.
22:32 BingoBoingo MP probably can explain this all more elegantly
22:32 Phinnaeus How important is to be registered?
22:32 BingoBoingo Phinnaeus: Well, it is a huge convenience thing.
22:33 Phinnaeus Ahhhhh
22:33 BingoBoingo You can give yourself voice in channel
22:33 mike_c asciilifeform: do you know if this is true? "EC-based keys are just as secure as RSA keypairs"
22:33 BingoBoingo otherwise you ask people and they will probably give voice.
22:33 BingoBoingo Phinnaeus: But the keys to give and take voice only are offered to registered people, because crypto
22:34 Phinnaeus Bring me up to speed. What's "take voice" and what's the purpose of this IRC channel (any IRC channel)?
22:35 BingoBoingo Well, this channel exists because... Maybe someone can explain it better...
22:35 BingoBoingo Basically "Forum has problems"
22:35 BingoBoingo Phinnaeus: Voice, giving and taking of it, is an idiot silencing and anti-spam measure.
22:35 Phinnaeus Remember, I'm the Bitcoiner that doesn't mine, nor host a client. And, trust InstaWallet with my 1,132 BTC of which davout (staff of BT) now has in one of his fat-ass wallets.
22:35 moiety BingoBoingo: re: goat on a cliff. "If you squint just right you can see how it got there" lolol
22:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5800 @ 0.00006081 = 0.3527 BTC [-] {8}
22:36 mike_c Phinnaeus: bingo linked you to a good post on the point of it all earlier. worth reading if you're thinking of hanging out here: http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/
22:36 assbot #bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
22:37 BingoBoingo moiety: Did you see the sort of eldrich not Manul beast I encountered Monday?
22:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 14765 @ 0.00004298 = 0.6346 BTC [-] {16}
22:38 Phinnaeus thanks for the link BB
22:38 BingoBoingo Phinnaeus: You are welcome. Pretty sure there's more stuff to get caught up on after spending so long in the Thermos ghetto.
22:39 Phinnaeus They love me there!
22:40 moiety i made a quick how-to in the wiki on the homepage too Phinnaeus in case thats of any help
22:40 moiety no i haven't BB :o logged?
22:40 BingoBoingo ;;google alligator snapping turtle
22:40 gribble Alligator snapping turtle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alligator_snapping_turtle>; Alligator Snapping Turtle - National Geographic: <http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/reptiles/alligator-snapping-turtle/>; Alligator Snapping Turtle - National Zoo| FONZ: (1 more message)
22:41 BingoBoingo moiety: Local was wrestling with one of these Pizza sized critters trying to get it off the road
22:41 Vexual that thing is cooler than a goat on something
22:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 18 @ 0.04622666 = 0.8321 BTC [-] {8}
22:42 moiety that is not a turtle, that thing is from game of thrones or something
22:42 peterl Phinnaeus: wow, suprised to see you here. You still feeding hungry people?
22:42 BingoBoingo Thing is native to parts of Illinois, but there is a lack of evidence it was ever native to place I passed it, but "reintroducing species" and shit like that
22:43 Phinnaeus I was surprised to see that Mircea was banned on BT a while back.
22:43 moiety "lost/abandoned exotic pets"
22:43 Phinnaeus Question: I met Goat in KC last year. Is he a good guy?
22:44 * nubbins` blinks
22:44 nubbins` BingoBoingo, you're Atruk on the forum?
22:44 BingoBoingo Phinnaeus: Well... actually Hannah was banned
22:44 assbot [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 10000 @ 0.00021548 = 2.1548 BTC [+]
22:44 Phinnaeus @peter That's Jason King's outfit, that I was just helping out.
22:44 BingoBoingo nubbins`: yeah, didn't you know... from like the signature...
22:45 nubbins` never made the connection
22:45 moiety I'd know that beard anywhere now!
22:45 BingoBoingo Phinnaeus: My impression is he's friendly. Misguided. Opportunistic. Maybe one of stupid or self serving.
22:45 Phinnaeus Was Hannah the one that had that pick of toes last year that Jack Off to very now and then?
22:45 BingoBoingo Phinnaeus: That's the one
22:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.0000762 = 0.381 BTC [+] {5}
22:45 BingoBoingo !up Phinnaeus
22:45 nubbins` i've done some business with goat, nice enough guy, seems a bit scatterbrained
22:45 BingoBoingo Phinnaeus: Still here?
22:45 Phinnaeus y
22:46 BingoBoingo Phinnaeus: Your 30 minutes of voice expired
22:46 BingoBoingo Had to renew it.
22:46 Phinnaeus I've been on here for 30 minutes already?
22:46 BingoBoingo So it seems
22:46 nubbins` time flies :D
22:47 Phinnaeus ...while you're taking a shit...literally!
22:47 nubbins` you may also wish to use an actual irc client instead of the web interface, lots of handy features like tab-completion for nicks
22:47 nubbins` for example, i just type "ph" and hit tab to get "Phinnaeus"
22:47 BingoBoingo Phinnaeus: also, courtesy of asciilifeform here's Hannah and Mircea in the same picture if you haven't seen it already http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/tri2.jpg
22:47 nubbins` also, you can sort of just minimize it without worrying about timeouts etc
22:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00087545 = 2.1886 BTC [+]
22:48 Vexual oh mircea, zips on your boots!
22:48 Phinnaeus I'm a noob when it comes to all this client stuff
22:49 BingoBoingo Phinnaeus: We all still are
22:49 Vexual tsk tsk
22:49 moiety they are really handy once youve had a wee click about. it's all straightforward nick and pass stuff
22:49 BingoBoingo !up Vexual
22:49 moiety !up Vexual
22:49 Phinnaeus But, I do okay with HTML, CSS and Google-fu
22:50 BingoBoingo Phinnaeus: X chat may be a good client to try then
22:50 mike_c i hate cloudflare as much as everyone, but this is actually a really useful primer on RSA and EC if you are new to the details of how they work:
22:50 mike_c http://blog.cloudflare.com/a-relatively-easy-to-understand-primer-on-elliptic-curve-cryptography
22:50 assbot A (Relatively Easy To Understand) Primer on Elliptic Curve Cryptography | CloudFlare Blog
22:50 moiety then an irc client will be nothing :D
22:50 moiety i have gone back to xchat and i have no idea why. i'm missing smuxi
22:50 BingoBoingo Or smuxi's another good one.
22:50 BingoBoingo moiety: Is it the SASL plugin?
22:51 Phinnaeus I thought Hannah was the primer on elliptic curves.
22:51 BingoBoingo lol
22:51 BingoBoingo That's actually fluffypony's photoshopped wife
22:51 nubbins` lel
22:52 peterl nubbins`: wow, I didn't know that about tab completion. Learn something new every day!
22:52 Phinnaeus I guess after a few more sessions here, I'll get up to speed as to how to use this IRC thingie.
22:52 nubbins` peterl, hang around me and you'll learn a few new things every day
22:52 Vexual i keep my left hand on tab always
22:53 nubbins` Phinnaeus: a dedicated client can also highlight lines with your nickname, play a sound when you're mentioned, etc
22:53 moiety BB, no what's actually bothering me is the colours. everyone had their own before and i guess i just got used to it. now its in blocks of i'm not sure but they are definitely shared
22:53 Phinnaeus So that's where The Thinker keeps his left hand.
22:53 Phinnaeus I do hear the sound part.
22:54 Phinnaeus Got to go back to Google-fuuing, all.
22:54 moiety i like how clients identify you automatically to nickserv when you open it
22:54 Phinnaeus Or, is it fuing?
22:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7661 @ 0.000075 = 0.5746 BTC [-]
22:54 nubbins` hard to say
22:54 nubbins` peace
22:54 Vexual love
22:54 peterl happiness
22:54 Phinnaeus Tell Mircea I stopped by, BB.
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22:55 peterl he will se it in the logs
22:55 Phinnaeus Speaking of log, need to wipe now.
22:55 Phinnaeus logs
22:55 peterl or you can have gribble tell him later
22:55 Phinnaeus late, guys
22:55 Phinnaeus later
22:56 moiety bye Phinnaeus nice to meet you
22:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00087549 = 11.4689 BTC [+] {2}
22:58 asciilifeform decimation: VHDL to a 7400 TTL netlist << certainly. i think brad parker (author of CADR, symbolics, and TI LM emulators) had a widget that does just this.
22:59 decimation one could use a commercial tool and hack it, but it would be neat if there were a tool that took into account gate delays etc.
23:00 decimation I'll see if I can find Mr. Parker's warez
23:00 moiety he had to go fuuing BB, he said he would be back
23:01 asciilifeform mike_c: EC-based keys << complicated subject. the only solidly established fact is that the american curves are to be avoided.
23:01 nubbins` ;;view
23:01 gribble #20672 Mon Jun 2 11:57:18 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 OFFICIAL #bitcoin-assets t-shirt @ 0.039728 BTC (Worldwide shipping included. Optional '#bitcoin-assets / freenode' text on back. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx)
23:01 mike_c hehe. you mean the nsa recommended ones?
23:01 decimation It is interesting that google "dropped support" of RSA in alpha for "performance reasons"
23:01 Vexual asciilifeform:what are you making re: 7400s? no such lAptop?
23:02 decimation no doubt, EC is better to implement in the hell that is javascript
23:02 moiety just how big are these tshirts btw nubbins`?
23:02 nubbins` moiety depends on the size ;)
23:02 decimation but I suspect the majority of existing GPG keys use RSA (or maybe elgamal)
23:02 asciilifeform Vexual: what are you making re: 7400s << nothing at present
23:02 nubbins` we use regular gildan tees, sizes from small to xxl
23:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4602 @ 0.000075 = 0.3452 BTC [-]
23:03 moiety kk, makes sense lol thanks :D
23:04 asciilifeform decimation: EC is a kind of 'devil's temptation' on account of compact keys.
23:04 nubbins` i'll prolly print the current orders in the next couple days
23:06 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: tri2.jpg << rng container at bottom left hand corner of photo.
23:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 37070 @ 0.000075 = 2.7803 BTC [-]
23:08 Vexual asciilifeform: sexy
23:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
23:08 asciilifeform lol. in the pic, it's empty.
23:09 Vexual 0-3+-2
23:09 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Looks like a safe place
23:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0295 = 0.295 BTC [+]
23:10 BingoBoingo moiety: Heat related equipment problem
23:10 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: interestingly, none of the customs inspectors in 3 countries had any wish to open it.
23:10 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: They were probably taught better than to.
23:11 asciilifeform Vexual: example of student cpu built with 74xxx logic: http://www.bigmessowires.com/nibbler
23:11 assbot Big Mess o' Wires » Nibbler 4 Bit CPU
23:11 asciilifeform (a bit of a cheat, uses modern sram and rom)
23:11 Vexual neato
23:12 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: still surprising. i did expect annoying questions.
23:13 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I imagine the inspectors get accustomed to annoying answers and learn not to ask
23:13 moiety thought it must have been a crash of some sort BB
23:13 BingoBoingo moiety: It was.
23:15 asciilifeform i forget who here gave a shit about the CVT, but to round out the story: i did learn the cause of the voltage sags. ancient wiring, too many fat electrical appliances switching on in unison (air conditioner, water heater column)
23:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
23:16 decimation looking at the end-to-end turd, it appears that they do support many ciphers: aes.js aeskeywrap_testdata.js blowfish.js cipher.js ciphertext.js ecdh.js elgamal.js idea.js rsa.js workerservice.js
23:16 decimation aeskeywrap.js all.js cast5.js cipher_algorithm.js des.js ecdh_testdata.js factory.js key.js workercipher.js
23:16 asciilifeform decimation: still subject to the 'toilet in the kitchen' problem (browser)
23:17 asciilifeform it's hilariously funny how everyone is eager to go back to 1992 and ditch even the most elementary process memory separation.
23:18 decimation no d00d chrome puts each window in it's own process!
23:19 nubbins` alexander shulgin died today
23:19 nubbins` it made me think of vexual
23:19 asciilifeform nubbins`: afaik he's been out of commission for a while (blind?)
23:20 nubbins` stroke, cancer, etc
23:20 asciilifeform nubbins`: his book is neat (2nd volume mostly written by wife, afaik)
23:20 nubbins` hard go these past few years
23:20 asciilifeform !up Vexual
23:20 nubbins` i've been meaning to pick up pihkal / tihkal for years
23:20 asciilifeform he had an... interesting relationship with american gov.
23:20 nubbins` yup!!
23:21 nubbins` spent a long time in a very unique position
23:21 asciilifeform crown license for making/taking whatever drug, in exchange for selling soul.
23:21 nubbins` i recall reading years ago that he was doing the whole *ihkal thing with cacti
23:22 asciilifeform i'd be very curious to hear, from a legal scholar, how this was arranged on paper.
23:22 nubbins` experimenting with compounds, dosing, etc
23:22 nubbins` afaik DEA exemption letter is all you need. would be cool to see
23:22 asciilifeform these used to be... not exactly common, but not entirely unheard of.
23:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
23:23 asciilifeform -- story interlude -- a lab i once worked in used to house such an experimenter. he was eventually caught in diverting his stash to the black market, and imprisoned. the next guy inherited a few kg of coke.
23:23 asciilifeform he refused to sign for it. ended up contacting various commercial disposal companies
23:23 asciilifeform none of whom wanted the liability
23:23 asciilifeform finally, a funeral home agreed to cremate it.
23:24 decimation lol. I'm pretty sure the DEA tracks that stuff to the mg
23:24 asciilifeform (on account of it being exempt from air pollution regulations, as i understand.)
23:24 nubbins` hah
23:24 nubbins` "method of disposal: vacuum"
23:24 asciilifeform the events took place long before my time, so story is to be taken with grain of salt.
23:25 nubbins` i found it amusing that LSD was the only drug he didn't include trip reports for, on account of there being so many thousands in the literature already
23:25 BingoBoingo http://gawker.com/new-york-times-columnist-maureen-dowd-is-very-bad-at-ge-1585770304
23:25 assbot New York Times Columnist Maureen Dowd Is Very Bad at Getting High
23:26 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: all of the described sensations are documented side effects.
23:27 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Of course they are. Question is why media outlet proceeds as though they aren't...
23:27 nubbins` lel @ lady getting too high
23:27 nubbins` didn't she know eating it is so much crazier?!
23:28 asciilifeform probably took 'elephant dose,' too.
23:28 nubbins` "i'll just eat a gram", said many stoners an hour before a night-long panic attack
23:29 decimation it appers the google js crypto supports djb's 255 19 curve, I don't know javascript well enough to figure out what is set for the default
23:29 asciilifeform decimation: at this point, it seems reasonable to think of google et al. as 'poisoned tree' and their crypto not worth the effort to audit.
23:30 nubbins` ;;google george jung
23:30 gribble George Jung - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Jung>; 'Blow' Inspiration George Jung -- My First Post-Prison Meal Was ...: <http://www.tmz.com/2014/06/03/blow-george-jung-prison-release-first-meal-video/>; George Jung RELEASED From Prison -- Johnny Depp's 'Blow ...: <http://www.tmz.com/2014/06/02/george-jung-blow-inspiration-johnny-depp-released- (1 more message)
23:30 BingoBoingo related link http://gawker.com/sex-doll-with-giant-cans-visibly-aroused-to-sell-used-c-1585671050
23:30 assbot Sex Doll with Giant Cans Visibly Aroused to Sell Used Car on eBay
23:31 decimation well, the trouble is that even if the code in the repository is good, the user downloads the crypto every time he goes to gmail
23:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00086614 = 22 BTC [-]
23:32 decimation how does the user validate the dog pile of javascript he gets each time?
23:32 decimation aside from your point about memory separation, this just seems kinda dumb
23:33 decimation in the sense that it panders to the lowest common denominator of the webbrowser OS
23:35 BingoBoingo !up Vexual
23:36 Vexual whoa shulgin died
23:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0213 = 0.1065 BTC [+]
23:42 Vexual what a tripper
23:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5646 @ 0.00086614 = 4.8902 BTC [-]
23:46 nubbins` yup
23:48 Vexual improve dmt, leave the coil for good
23:49 Vexual to da moon
23:50 nubbins` yeh, guy went to the moon long before btc did
23:51 nubbins` his writings and work were a major influence in my formative years
23:51 Vexual the vice article hints at a post humous book
23:51 BingoBoingo What was wrong with the late Hunter S Thompson?
23:51 nubbins` yeah, i know they were writing throughout the 2000's
23:52 nubbins` BingoBoingo: how'd he die, you mean?
23:52 nubbins` or what was his problem when he was still alive
23:52 BingoBoingo nubbins`: I mean what is the problem with declaring him the Socrates of 20th Century drugging?
23:53 Vexual socrates wsnt american
23:53 nubbins` no real problems here
23:53 BingoBoingo http://kotaku.com/creepypasta-had-to-issue-a-statement-saying-slender-man-1585713079
23:53 assbot Creepypasta Wiki Issues Statement Saying Slender Man Isn't Real
23:53 Vexual oh yeah
23:53 nubbins` ooh, that's gonna hurt the defence's case
23:54 BingoBoingo Vexual: Athen was kind of a shithole at the time...
23:54 Vexual i dig
23:54 BingoBoingo "Fading Power'
23:55 BingoBoingo I mean by Aristotle Athen was just that place Macedonians went for easy boys to rape.
23:57 nubbins` hm
23:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.02125 = 0.17 BTC [-]
23:57 Vexual mm
23:57 nubbins` something about this drum throne makes my dick fall asleep after a few minutes
23:57 Vexual play that shit
23:58 nubbins` it's a very odd feeling
23:58 BingoBoingo nubbins`: That isn't healthy. Dick can have problems.
23:58 nubbins` it's only on this chair
23:58 nubbins` pins & needles now D:
23:58 BingoBoingo Replace it.
23:58 BingoBoingo Do you really want your favorite vascular organ getting ischemic from clots
23:58 Vexual wait
23:58 nubbins` just so we're clear, i don't sit on a drum throne all day
23:59 nubbins` ;;google drum throne
23:59 gribble New Drum Thrones | Guitar Center: <http://www.guitarcenter.com/Drum-Thrones-Drum-Hardware,New-Gear.gc>; Amazon.com Top Rated: The best in Drum Set Thrones based on ...: <http://www.amazon.com/gp/top-rated/musical-instruments/11966931>; Drum Thrones | Musician's Friend: <http://www.musiciansfriend.com/drum-thrones>
23:59 nubbins` i'm just in the basement smoking ;(
23:59 nubbins` ('throne' is a bit of an embellishment)
23:59 BingoBoingo nubbins`: Still sounds dangerous. More so now that you confess to a vasoconstrictor. Go to ER, get TPA shot just in case.
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