#asciilifeform | 2022-03-08

Logged on 2022-03-07 18:09:30 asciilifeform: the division of labour thing is a two-edged blade. some people very much specialists in ~taking~

02:34

I agree that bankers are a criminal class.

02:35

includes "investment" bankers, and all adjacent professions.

02:49

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-07#1083171 I know what they are, but it still impresses me to see people so skilled at wading in shit. It's an interesting read, junk food for the mind.

02:49

Logged on 2022-03-07 19:09:41 asciilifeform: meanwhile in shitware noose.

02:51

``The Linux kernel has more tricks: the sendfile() system call allows an application to send file contents into a socket without a roundtrip to userspace (an optimization popular in web servers serving static files over HTTP).''

02:51

They'll add things like this, but never truly generalize it beyond their immediate needs.

02:52

No, they'll only make incremental changes.

02:59

Of course uninitialized memory plays a part in this.

03:00

They can't make it simple, because then it would be slow, and they can't change the model, because they don't want this.

~ 30 minutes ~

03:31

Hey, asciilifeform, it looks like I need to use System.Storage_Elements.Storage_Array if I want my UDP binding and UDP interface over that to use the same array type without explicitly referencing each other. There's no standard array type of Interfaces.Unsigned_8 to use. I'd welcome advice.

03:32

I could define these types in another package, but I dislike that solution.

03:39

mkdir /home/cdd

03:40

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-07#1083099 << don't. get out... often.

03:40

Logged on 2022-03-07 17:11:45 signpost: these kids really have zero communication skills.

03:41

story of oz these days eh?

03:42

was prompting you to say more about what network issue you wanted help solving.

03:44

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-04#1082448 << we may leave this thread closed, but the purpose of the forum is to challenge and defend.

03:44

Logged on 2022-03-04 12:38:49 verisimilitude: No, what's insulting is how signpost has treated me as a conversation partner, billymg.

03:46

you might've raised "look at muslim inbreeding" habits for example, or any number of objections. vicious debate is the sound of the group world model updating itself.

03:47

at any rate, something to think about.

03:47

*inbreeding habits"

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signpost invites digging in the logs for threads where I was on the receiving end of a thrashing, to great benefit.

03:50

crtdaydreams: so explain your networking problem.

03:52

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-04#1082505 << I would gladly buy you a drink or three if you have reason to be in Austin, and will let you know if I'm ever near Mordor.

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Logged on 2022-03-04 13:19:39 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-04#1082452 << fwiw the only tuned-in folx whom asciilifeform has even met in meatspace were BingoBoingo and mod6 . doesn't regard this as a dire problem, tho hopes to meet others '1 day, after the war'

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signpost figures folks will be wrapped up in wartime matters for some time.

04:00

I've spent too many keypresses on arguments about which I didn't really care, signpost.

04:03

More than anything else, I want to discuss programming and related topics.

04:03

wfm

04:12

must bbl

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05:19

scoopbot

New article on A Syndication of Verisimilitudes: Imposter's Syndrome

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05:39

I've a little UDP echo server now at verisimilitudes.net on port 2222.

05:39

Try sending it an empty packet; I can't get netcat to send such a packet.

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06:11

verisimilitude: think I just pooted one your way via socat

06:12

echo -n '' | socat - udp:verisimilitudes.net:2222,sp=10666

06:12

It works nicely.

06:13

Really, this binding is pathetic as an accomplishment, but I'll take it.

06:14

Writing this code was unnecessarily difficult. I shouldn't've had to think about it much at all.

06:14

It should've been ``one line''.

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10:12

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-07#1083189 << Yes yes, sorry my lunch break was cut short.

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Logged on 2022-03-07 22:41:37 signpost: was prompting you to say more about what network issue you wanted help solving.

10:12

I can't even remember what cut it short, but that's besides the point.

10:13

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-07#1083188 << They lifted mask mandates this week but are still clinging to those "emergency powers"

10:13

Logged on 2022-03-07 22:41:12 signpost: story of oz these days eh?

10:14

Only been thru abt 3 lockdowns of max 8wk all up.

10:15

The guys further south have it rough, the border SA/WA just got opened this week, first time families are seeing eachother after 2yr

10:16

Anyways, uh so my router is not responding to remote pings.

10:17

That's the issue. I've enabled remote ICMP ping, and tried nmap -Pn nuthin

10:17

port forwarded 80 to nginx jail

10:18

port forwarded 443 to 80 on nginx jail aswell bc https is for chumps

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crtdaydreams also thought might mention possib rotate PGP key because can't get PK out of VM lol

10:20

so must send via~ encrypted paste

10:20

and then sign new pubkey for swap

10:21

sorry for xtra effort

10:23

uh but network issue is a big ??? with ICMP remote ping enabled it shud respond, no?

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crtdaydreams might have to factory reset **again**

10:30

fucking useless router

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crtdaydreams must eat

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o/

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13:12

!e view-height

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trbexplorer

block_height: 726413

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trbexplorer

mins_since_last_block: 5

13:12

asciilifeform: what block # is cement patch at?

~ 15 minutes ~

13:27

so i'm about to build trb up to asciilifeform's cement patch to start the sync process in my new rack in NZ, and it's a headache to run around different blogs collecting various vpatches, i think that my next project will be a copy of http://btcbase.org/patches , except with a hopper . i wonder if anyone thinks that perhaps the search-all-blogs for various vpatches is a feature and not a bug,

13:27

maybe there is some benefit of forcing v operators to know the author of the code well enough to be able ot put together the v trees

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14:38

whaack: imo it's the end user's responsibility to know what they're running. and jumping from blog to blog collecting patches doesn't guarantee they'll read a single word written about the patches anyway, it's just added friction

14:39

perhaps your patch viewer could have a page that lists in-wot blogs, so that if one wants to reference the author's writings, they can

14:41

or the author, when using the hopper to submit a signed patch, could be given a url field, to include a link to the specific article describing the patch, if there is one

14:41

and then in the interface this could be accessible somehow when viewing the list of patches

14:44

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-08#1083236 << 581k+ atm

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Logged on 2022-03-08 08:12:12 whaack: asciilifeform: what block # is cement patch at?

14:56

asciilifeform: just remembered, did you ever end up sending out that RK? i don't think i received it at the address i gave

~ 52 minutes ~

15:49

goddammit apparently both rk's still here ( asciilifeform could've sworn he had them taken to post office! but nope! they're at the bottom of the fucking hopper )

15:49

billymg & dpb invited to laff at asciilifeform

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asciilifeform will get'em out personally this wk. billymg , dpb , plox to gpggram if your addrs have changed!

15:56

aha, what a loser! (j/k)

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asciilifeform up to nose in ocean of commercial liquishit atm

~ 53 minutes ~

16:53

asciilifeform: ty, i do have another one. will gpg shortly

~ 1 hours 31 minutes ~

18:25

meanwhile, in gox lulz.

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18:42

billymg: atm the manifest file includes the author's handle as per signpost's spec, so if i keep a registry of handle<->blog domain name, i can automatically populate a link to a patch's author's blog

18:44

will this be just for trb patches or are you going to collect other projects as well?

18:47

PeterL: All vpatches

18:48

what happens if somebody doesn't include a manifest file (I don't think there is one in the Blatta patches), or if they don't format it the way you expect?

18:54

PeterL: this would be a reason to manually enter the handles / blogs

18:55

whaack: i meant something at the individual patch <-> article level as well

18:55

atm i think the best idea is to have the hopper contain a list of the public keys of the handles that it accepts patches from

18:57

then there would be some (perhaps webform) for submitting the vpatch + seal combo, it would check to make sure the seal comes from a handle in the list, and then it would register the patch and link to the handle's blog (should one be provided)

18:58

It shouldn't be hard to add a field for a blog article link to the submission page

18:59

billymg: The form for submitting the vpatch could provide a field for an article url, or it could be custom to include a link to a related article inside the manifest file (but this may have problems with linkrot and blog domain name migrations)

19:00

whaack: linkrot will always be an issue. if author changes his link, could he resubmit the same patch/sig but fill in a different url?

19:02

it's still sad seeing domains that i thought would stick around forever, like cascadianhacker, esthlos, and bvt, disappear

19:03

billymg: that's one option. one problem i see thought: i want anyone to be able to submit vpatches into the hoppper (not just the author) , this way the hopper has a greedy-collection and can keep patches of those who do not themselves submit to it or use it, but there can be an issue with people hijacking the author's blog link

19:03

also presents chicken/egg problem, do you bake the vpach and then write an article including it, or do you write an article and then put the link in the vpatch? I think the vpatch should come first, and then the article can be written introducing it

19:03

aha, i.e. valid patch/sig but garbage in the url field

19:04

lol yeah the url field becomes OpenSea

19:04

lol

19:04

i guess the manifest spec could be updated to include an optional url field

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whaack found out recently that NFTs keep a hash of a URL to OpenSea's website which in turn hosts the img

19:05

but then if url changes... oh well

19:05

billymg: yeah back to the linkrot problem

19:05

this is what i'm imagining right now

19:05

there's an ircbot that you can submit patches to via

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!h (hopper) submit http://ztkfg.com/codeshelf/my_genesis.vpatch http://ztkfg.com/codeshelf/my_genesis.sig

19:06

yeah, NFTs are a complete joke

19:06

(alethepedia) 2021-05-23 billymg: NFTs are more or less colored coins, but on the mETH chain. they point to some URL containing a .png of "artwork"

19:08

!h add-context my_genesis.vpatch http://ztkfg.com/my-genesis-explained.html

19:08

add-context could be hijacked, but if it's on the pest network....

19:09

maybe have the field, but part of validating it is that the base of the link has to match what is in your database for handle <-> url ? So I can submit somebody else's patch if I provide my own seal and have perterl.xyz/article, but keeps people from just dropping in somebody elses patch/seal and

19:09

putting in the website field spambotsrus.com

19:09

neat, i like it

19:11

^ referring to whaack's proposed irc interface

19:12

PeterL: not sure I fully understand, why are you providing your own seal from somebody else's patch?

19:12

whaack: could technically require the submitter to complete a challenge, like deedbot, when using add-context. but why add the complexity if non-pest irc is a dead end anyway

19:12

billymg: yeah that was exactly my train of thought

19:13

pest takes care of some of the security concerns for pest-bot interfaces

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PeterL: anyways, seems like an unnecessary restriction, whole point is you want an authority-check to make sure someone you trust is adding the context link, doesn't need to be more strict than that, atm i am pretty satisfied with leaving the auth step to pestnet

19:16

Link to this manifest specification.

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http://trinque.org/2018/06/02/v-manifest-specification/

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whaack: there are several reasons to do it, could be I only want to run things that I have signed myself, or maybe the author is not in your WOT and I want to submit a patch for them, or just to say I have reviewed the patch

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PeterL: You can submit a patch for anyone

19:20

i may not even add sig checking on the server, if submission is already filtered to those in my pestnet wot, then no reason to have an extra server side check, that's supposed to be done locally anyways

19:20

I struggle to see the need for this, but will read it again.

19:20

verisimilitude: the need for what? the hopper i'm describing? have you not played v-scavenger hunt a few times yet?

19:21

I've not.

19:22

``Adding and removing the null character from the manifest file in every other patch would work.'' Making an artificial dependency like this seems simpler.

19:22

Rather, if a dependency be needed, simply modify the files regardless.

19:22

Perhaps I misunderstand something.

19:23

so you're talking about the need for the manifest?

19:23

i think this was discussed ad naseum in old logs so i would search around there rather than resurfacing the conversation

19:24

btw i always wanted to write a short article on this http://verisimilitudes.net/2022-03-07 i think i wrote it in my journal once

19:25

at MIT they gave tons of lectures 'you may feel like an impostor, but you're not, you're really great! you are not here because of nepotism'

19:25

lol!

19:25

So, the article was enjoyed?

19:25

yeah

19:25

I'm glad, whaack.

19:26

exploring that 'impostor syndrome' sensation is probably the most important thing for the kids to do there

19:26

this is done at all ivy leagues etc. afaik

19:26

``I can't be incompetent! It's all in my head!''

19:26

This basic mindset is ruining society.

19:27

I first wrote about it on an anonymous forum, but the discussion died, and I lost my copy of what I'd written. I've ensured that won't happen a second time.

19:29

when do we get the biologist in the wot to confirm articles such as these?

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19:32

it's all wamen

19:32

Which ``vaccine'' did asciilifeform take?

19:33

verisimilitude: iirc that one

19:33

It was nice knowing thee, asciilifeform.

19:33

pfizerlifeform

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asciilifeform considers all the folx who were aiming to die of vaccine, instead under regular old bomb, 'damn'

19:34

this reminds me, asciilifeform, should i interpret this as you concluding the 'vaccine' may have been intended to do more harm than good?

19:34

Logged on 2022-03-07 21:19:54 asciilifeform: their current effort seems to be to amp up covid per se with 'vaccine'. afaik not working spectacularly tho

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billymg: anecdotally, asciilifeform contracted n-th covidism not long after vaccine, and it was by far worst of 3

19:35

still seems like pretty weak exterminatus sauce tho imho

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whaack has been social since day1 and no vaccine never had so much as a cold, but i know quite a few non-vaxxers who have got covid

19:35

and apparently there was a breakout at the bitcoin conference

19:36

they give you the mRNG

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anecdotally, i know several people who were vaxxed and then contracted covid, whereas i, never vaxxed / never tested, have yet to succumb to even a sniffle

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billymg: over9000 folx naturally immune

19:36

I may have had it.

19:37

I had the worst cold I've ever had, when 2020 started.

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bbl

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~45 mins

19:37

this was my point from the beginning

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Logged on 2021-07-13 18:08:19 billymg: i'm not sure if the vaccine is fake or not but i certainly don't trust them enough to let them stick me with any needles

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Logged on 2021-07-13 18:13:45 billymg: but i also don't see why i need it when 0.0001% chance of death or whatever for my age/health profile

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asciilifeform used to get the flu vaccines too, gave up when flu mostly vanished

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billymg is still waiting to die, as mats prophesized

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Logged on 2021-07-13 18:14:18 mats: anyway, i don't really give a shit, its a problem that solves itself

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whaack: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-08#1083314 << article you linked to is a bit alarmist in delivery, but the study that they link to looks valid

19:39

Logged on 2022-03-08 14:29:17 whaack: when do we get the biologist in the wot to confirm articles such as these?

19:40

meat, dairy, sunlight, and exercise. that's all the vaccine you need

19:40

is interesting how folx get used to the obviously and unambiguously lethal . e.g. the sr-90 in errybody's bones since '45

19:40

nobody kicks up fuss about it for, what, half century nao

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tho in theory may acct for some large % of cancers

19:44

asciilifeform: if we did make fuss, is there a way to remove it?

19:44

not afaik

19:44

so making fuss doesn't help anything, we just have to ignore it

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asciilifeform disagrees that 'can't help, so just ignore'. cataloguing the crimes of the reich is important.

19:48

the 1 place where ~anyone~ can defeat the reich is in ~his own head~. and such tidbits play their part in helping to do it.

19:48

I found it, I found it.

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verisimilitude: link tries to install shitware, lol

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landing page for porn site or something?

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some kinda browser plugin

19:56

verisimilitude: lol, complete with obligatory "i suck at maths lol!" that they learned from reddit or somewhere is a badge of honor and not a failure

19:58

I couldn't tell; I don't enable JavaScript often.

19:59

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-08#1083349 I agree with this, and also with crying over spilled milk being pointless. We live in a society that poisons, humiliates, mutilates, and lies to us.

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Logged on 2022-03-08 14:46:44 asciilifeform: disagrees that 'can't help, so just ignore'. cataloguing the crimes of the reich is important.

20:03

just wondering, if Sr-90 accumulates in the bones, should we avoid eating bones (things like broth made with bones in it) to reduce our exposure?

20:07

PeterL: it's a calcium displacer. most folx get their ca not from bones

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-08#1083314 I wonder if every country got the same ``vaccine'' or not.

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Logged on 2022-03-08 14:29:17 whaack: when do we get the biologist in the wot to confirm articles such as these?

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I'd rather wager not.

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http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-03-08#1083340 <-- thanks, i forgot that you work as a chemist (right?) but i don't see how the article i linked being alarmist could be considered a critique. if the study is valid, then isn't the correct tone to "sound the alarm"?

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Logged on 2022-03-08 19:39:08 PeterL: whaack: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-08#1083314 << article you linked to is a bit alarmist in delivery, but the study that they link to looks valid

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Logged on 2022-03-08 14:29:17 whaack: when do we get the biologist in the wot to confirm articles such as these?

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The alarm is supposed to be sounded before the rubicon, whaack.

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whaack: yes, I am chemist. I just think the tone in the paper is rather subdued, sort of a "we noticed this happening, more research need", whereas the article you linked blows it way out of proportion "everybody has been lying to you, the sky is falling! It's all Biden's Fault"

~ 39 minutes ~

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PeterL: if more research confirmed that the vaccine is indeed altering our DNA, then what would you say?

21:06

this urge to default to the "anyone concerned is crazy" interpretation is also irrational.

21:08

I wrote on the desensitization and submission process being used.

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signpost expects we're about 3mos from "of course it was a gene therapy; plebs wouldn't have taken if we told the truth"

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can also be true, of course, that this is an accident, *and* the propaganda machine is trying to cover their asses.

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signpost is pretty amused that the docs that leaked out of DARPA confirmed that the covid virus was an experimental vaccination platform for bats, and discussion of this disappeared just as quickly.

21:15

first "alarmist, tin-foil, etc", then "exaggerated", then "of course we did" if it cannot be removed from discussion.

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ftr, if such a thing worked, would be pretty cool. could innoculate the reservoirs of many diseases. but oops, not smart enough to do it yet.

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signpost: I guess the question I would ask is if the modification of the DNA is detrimental? It could be modifying and nothing happens, or it could cause a sudden onset of cancer, would be nice to know which to expect.

21:19

After seeing the article, if you have not had the vaccine yet I think it would be prudent to wait longer to see if more information comes forth (or if you are even going to need it), certainly I don't mean to say their conclusions should be ignored

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signpost would also like to know, and has no prediction of effects. worthwhile however to point out the way the "narrative" is shifted on these.

21:21

if people hadn't started dieing from Covid, would they just have continued experimenting with the bats without telling anybody?

21:21

also would admit that the desire to live in a society which says when these happen, "yep, we just had a terrible failure at a lab which was meant to prevent a sars-like worldwide plague, and caused one instead"

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*is naive in present context

21:22

PeterL: yeah, my sense is that the creatures like daszak and fauci escalate until they hit a wall.

21:25

I saw this recently.

21:25

It doesn't affect me, so I don't yet know what to think of it.

21:27

I'd claim hopelessness from the last three years, but I've been hopeless for longer. Hope is an evil.

21:28

signpost: i liked that article btw

21:28

billymg: ty

21:29

verisimilitude: I agree. it's a vestige of prayer, the belief that reality responds to pleas.

21:29

root of all human delusion, without exaggeration.

21:31

Hope was in Pandora's box.

21:32

a similar concept was discussed in "dissident right twitter" a few years ago. how media narratives shift seamlessly over time from "that could never happen" to "that's not happening, but it should" to "it is happening, and here's why that's a good thing"

21:32

``and that's a good thing''

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isn't even an unhappy thing. reality may be impacted by what local, immediate causes I inflict upon it, but never magically.

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and also, I myself am vastly more (and I would argue entirely) a product of what'd be called "external" causes if we're still pretending to mind/body dualism, which I don't.

21:34

billymg: yep, definitely not the first guy to point at the thing.

21:34

it's just the aggregate of the dominance games of liars.

21:34

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-08#1083375 << see also

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Logged on 2022-03-08 16:15:22 signpost: first "alarmist, tin-foil, etc", then "exaggerated", then "of course we did" if it cannot be removed from discussion.

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(trilema) 2014-06-03 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.

21:34

I'm the product of my times, in interests, work, and most everything else.

21:35

asciilifeform: yep, meanwhile the captive "intellectuals" end up claiming they were always in on the lie, and amplify the "this is actually good" chorus.

21:36

verisimilitude: mhm, and great liberation in this, as it means one can easily change by changing their inputs.

21:36

can go read the ancients, or haet speech by that nazi heidegger whom I love, or w/e else.

21:36

signpost: moreover, asciilifeform suspects that the leak in question was a trimmed-down hangout, in that no mention of the already-set stage for the play that was to be put in in the lizard theatre even before virus was on hand

21:36

*put on

21:37

I used to think of it like this: I will always behave the same if given the same stimulation, so there must be something inherent within me, but it's also the environment that influences what I'll study, and create.

21:37

verisimilitude: most folx have a memory, i.e. dun 'behave same with same stimulation later'

21:38

asciilifeform: yeah, the veritas thing having come from .mil contained a statement from the author which... I shit thee not, "good patriots inside .mil are fighting the good fight" etc

21:38

yawn

21:38

signpost: quality / attn to detail evaporated from reich fakes loong ago

21:38

I mean over life, asciilifeform.

21:39

(why put in the effort, if there's no risk of actual debate)

21:39

Memory is part of it.

21:39

asciilifeform: you could almost hear eddie van halen playing the top gun theme as he read the thing, lol

21:40

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-08#1083372 << the 'saving grace' is that reich tech ~dunwork worth a shit.

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Logged on 2022-03-08 16:08:55 signpost: expects we're about 3mos from "of course it was a gene therapy; plebs wouldn't have taken if we told the truth"

21:40

I recall well the horror at everyone around me discussing QAnon and how the elites were secretly being arrested.

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asciilifeform slaved in a usg .mil biowa^H^Hdefense lab for yrs where three dozen (mostly) coolies couldn't get e.coli to secrete fairly lightweight enzyme

21:42

yeah, I figure they oops, accidentally maim a few hundred thousand people, passes in the night.

21:42

couple mil perhaps.

21:42

who will notice among the symptoms the inmates already had.

21:43

signpost: as asciilifeform pictures it, the order was for a virus with some respectable 'bite'; instead delivered sumthing with approx same lethality as punch in the stomach, so had to theatrically improvise much of the 'mega-exterminatus'

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rather like how great aerial victories by ukrs currently being 'filmed' via screencap of 'call of duty' and aired as reich 'news'

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"but look, see how many thousands of people died!" "How many would have died without virus?" "Umm, that's not important to the story"

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if anything the past few years proved to them how little budget they need to allocate to the fear porn, which is timely luck for them.

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'dun ask how many died from shuttered onco clinics, or are you a terrorist?'

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Expand ``onco''.

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oncology

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Oh.

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'check back in 6mo if yer still alive'

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plenty of this, and the victims generally written up as 'covid death'

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the other day I was trying to find estimates of damage done in Ukr-Rus conflict, Ukrainians claim 14,000 Russians killed, Russians claim 500. Who to believe?

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PeterL: yer unlikely to see a honest count. we still dun have one for e.g. spanish civil war.

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signpost has a sister that shattered a bone, and a brother in law that won much respect from me by smooth-talking his way into an ER for her.

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during the height of letting people die in the waiting room.

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