| 00:00 |
gregory4 |
incident tangentially relates to earlier remark of "mats" about ethnic Asians in Ivy League. Mr Jiang was also veteran. |
| 00:01 |
gregory4 |
the "mastermind" theme is also reminiscent of character in Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment. |
| 00:01 |
gregory4 |
(I imagine that you must know Dostoevsky and Tolstoy quite well, haha..) |
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| 00:23 |
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signpost figures there were many murders on the same day as Jiang. curious why this one bothers gregory4 |
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| 01:09 |
asciilifeform |
fishwrap: 'The court documents also reveal Pan used his credit card to reserve a room at the Best Western right next door to the Arby's.' << not mega-prizewinner in re 'mastermind' was he. |
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| 01:11 |
asciilifeform |
seems like the 2 were sharing a woman? |
| 01:12 |
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asciilifeform thinks: bog-standard 'бытовуха' (untranslatable orc term for this kinda thing, i.e. where son stabs father with broken bottle they had emptied together, and similar, ~50-70% of prison inmates in ru are these) |
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| 01:13 |
asciilifeform |
what was notable, i suppose, is that 'researchers' at mit/yale ? |
| 01:13 |
gregory4 |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-12#1045641 << as child of immigrants, can relate to victim, I guess. |
| 01:13 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-12 20:23:38 signpost: figures there were many murders on the same day as Jiang. curious why this one bothers gregory4 |
| 01:13 |
asciilifeform |
but, lol, not to the perp? |
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| 01:14 |
asciilifeform |
werent they both..? |
| 01:15 |
gregory4 |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-12#1045648 << perp. was immigrant. victim was child of immigrants. non-trivial difference. |
| 01:15 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-12 21:13:51 asciilifeform: but, lol, not to the perp? |
| 01:15 |
asciilifeform |
a hm |
| 01:15 |
gregory4 |
to clarify, I do not regard children/grandchildren of immigrants to be "immigrants." immigration is not a hereditary condition. |
| 01:16 |
asciilifeform |
noshit |
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| 01:16 |
gregory4 |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-12#1045654 << but in American English, children/grandchildren of immigrants are also considered immigrants. |
| 01:16 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-12 21:16:24 asciilifeform: noshit |
| 01:16 |
asciilifeform |
wasn't clear from fishwraps that 1 was already born in usa |
| 01:17 |
asciilifeform |
gregory4: yea they have a 'we're all immigrants!' spiel. wasn't referring to this. |
| 01:17 |
gregory4 |
example: Hillary Clinton claimed that she was an immigrant, because she had Swiss/German great-grandparents. |
| 01:19 |
gregory4 |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-12#1045642 << that was after his main plan already failed. |
| 01:19 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-12 21:09:22 asciilifeform: fishwrap: 'The court documents also reveal Pan used his credit card to reserve a room at the Best Western right next door to the Arby's.' << not mega-prizewinner in re 'mastermind' was he. |
| 01:21 |
gregory4 |
the main plan was (seemingly) carefully plotted over several weeks as a so-called "perfect crime" |
| 01:22 |
gregory4 |
however, as (alleged) perp. was returning home from murder-scene, car got stuck. police came by and helped call tow-truck. |
| 01:26 |
gregory4 |
the (alleged) perp. realized that his plan was blown. police would eventually connect murder with stuck car. |
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| 02:03 |
verisimilitude |
What I find amusing is how the standard for getting away with crime may eventually be ``The perpetrator wasn't carrying a cell phone.''. |
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| 02:04 |
verisimilitude |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-12#1045644 Tell me more. |
| 02:04 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-12 21:12:43 asciilifeform: thinks: bog-standard 'бытовуха' (untranslatable orc term for this kinda thing, i.e. where son stabs father with broken bottle they had emptied together, and similar, ~50-70% of prison inmates in ru are these) |
| 02:07 |
mats |
a pro would've stolen a car, not borrowed it from a dealership |
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| 02:08 |
mats |
or, better, jack a car and frame up the occupant |
| 02:09 |
verisimilitude |
I swear I could commit a serious crime better than these idiots, but I have no such crime I want to commit. |
| 02:10 |
verisimilitude |
There was a bank robber recently caught because his cell phone tracked him. |
| 02:14 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-12#1045665 << at some pt this'll be -- if not Officially, then effectively -- an arrestable 'offense' |
| 02:14 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-12 22:03:40 verisimilitude: What I find amusing is how the standard for getting away with crime may eventually be ``The perpetrator wasn't carrying a cell phone.''. |
| 02:15 |
verisimilitude |
I didn't consider that. |
| 02:15 |
asciilifeform |
prolly there's already a usg goldentoilet contractor finalizing Official contract bid for e.g. 'door frame that detects biped w/out pnoje' |
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| 02:16 |
asciilifeform |
whatcha doing out in public without yer collar, slave! |
| 02:17 |
mats |
reminds me of a lincoln labs project to try to detect emotional states using audio and video |
| 02:18 |
asciilifeform |
mats: reminds asciilifeform of a $redacted (cuz asciilifeform worked there, and fucktards were quite loud through their cardboard walls despite Officially 'top seekrit') usg effort to mass keystroke bug via pnoje audio |
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| 02:19 |
mats |
rationale being, i guess, something like an automated version of israeli airport security -- no theatre, just lots of highly trained profilers and blast resistant glass boxes |
| 02:19 |
asciilifeform |
(well, not 'there', but next door lol) |
| 02:20 |
asciilifeform |
mats: iirc term of art among polizei is 'hinky' (after the would-be reagan shooter) -- emotional affect of a 'sweaty' criminal |
| 02:20 |
mats |
i heard about the project from an intern, never found any published papers, but this seems mildly related https://www.ll.mit.edu/sites/default/files/publication/doc/2018-05/2016_10_16_WilliamsonJ_AVEC_FP.pdf |
| 02:21 |
asciilifeform |
mats: iirc there was a darpa proclamation , but dun have the link handy |
| 02:21 |
asciilifeform |
funnily enuff, concept was thoroughly lolled over in a robert sheckley story in 1950s. |
| 02:21 |
mats |
i thought i was being put on for a bit, 'come on, you know i've seen minority report right' |
| 02:21 |
asciilifeform |
(where mandatory 'sanity meters', on bedside tables, in door frames, in buses, etc) |
| 02:22 |
asciilifeform |
('the academy' if anyone cares) |
| 02:23 |
mats |
maybe they have a model for captagon abusers bout to pop his top, who knows |
| 02:24 |
verisimilitude |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-12#1045678 I just realized my chording keyboard provides minor defense against this. |
| 02:24 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-12 22:18:58 asciilifeform: mats: reminds asciilifeform of a $redacted (cuz asciilifeform worked there, and fucktards were quite loud through their cardboard walls despite Officially 'top seekrit') usg effort to mass keystroke bug via pnoje audio |
| 02:25 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: could, y'know, also not keep 'bug' on desk, lol |
| 02:25 |
verisimilitude |
Of course. |
| 02:26 |
asciilifeform |
let'em bug the old-fashioned, expensive, way, d00ds with little drills, etc |
| 02:26 |
asciilifeform |
'wait, that sofa was 10cm that-way' |
| 02:27 |
mats |
pros bring painters tape |
| 02:28 |
mats |
in related art, https://news.mit.edu/2016/detecting-emotions-with-wireless-signals-0920 |
| 02:29 |
asciilifeform |
mats: i recall, was hyped. nfi where, if anywhere, went. |
| 02:30 |
mats |
and in israeli profiling, https://www.aerotime.aero/19886-detecting-anomalies-why-israeli-airport-security-works |
| 02:31 |
verisimilitude |
I'd imagine it works for the same reason DNA tests for citizenship and other things work, being that they're allowed to do it. |
| 02:34 |
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asciilifeform pictures israeli airport inspectors holding up paper bag to face, 'is this darker than paper bag?' -- if yes -> beaten instead of boarding plane |
| 02:35 |
asciilifeform |
!q seen-anywhere adlai |
| 02:35 |
dulapbot |
adlai last seen in #asciilifeform on 2021-04-05 11:40:54: /away for a while |
| 02:35 |
asciilifeform |
^ might know? |
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| 02:35 |
asciilifeform |
(where'd he go, anyway?) |
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| 02:36 |
mats |
afaik it is fairly impossible these days to really hide, without state support |
| 02:37 |
asciilifeform |
'Contrary to the phenomena of stress identified at security lanes in other airports, in Israel, no one is asked to remove liquids, gels and aerosols or shoes. ' << interesting, if troo |
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| 02:37 |
mats |
i'm thinking of the hitter that got khangoshvili in berlin, who had a state issued, non-biometric, fake passport |
| 02:39 |
mats |
found it, https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2019/09/27/new-evidence-links-russian-state-to-berlin-assassination bellingcat cutouts broke the story |
| 02:42 |
mats |
even if moscow went to the effort of plugging all the holes described, i'd think he could be discovered by cross-referencing against leaked commercial dbs |
| 02:42 |
asciilifeform |
mats: 'discovered' in what sense? wasn't the liquidator caught at the scene ? |
| 02:43 |
mats |
oh wait, bellingcat does mention the commercial dbs |
| 02:43 |
mats |
i think i've confused this assassin with a different team |
| 02:44 |
mats |
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2019/11/07/how-russia-issues-fake-passports-to-its-operatives-in-ukraine |
| 02:44 |
asciilifeform |
where's the bellingusg.com about how cia does ~their~ bogus passports etc ? |
| 02:45 |
mats |
i'd subscribe to the cutout that publishes those |
| 02:45 |
asciilifeform |
( or say an expose about the liquidator who did michael hastings ) |
| 02:45 |
mats |
relatedly, the citizenlabs people smell like csis |
| 02:45 |
asciilifeform |
and epstein |
| 02:46 |
mats |
(canadian intel) |
| 02:46 |
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asciilifeform not familiar w/ 'citizenlabs' |
| 02:47 |
mats |
broke the nso group stories |
| 02:47 |
asciilifeform |
a |
| 02:52 |
asciilifeform |
somewhat upstack, mats << re 'managed' -- usa pioneered this model; so in what sense 'destined' ? it was already a reality century+ ago |
| 02:52 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-11 15:28:11 mats: sg (and ru) has the much maligned, managed model of democracy usa is destined for |
| 02:54 |
mats |
the state doesnt quite control the media, various tech corps continue to vie for independence like fighting the common carrier designation |
| 02:55 |
asciilifeform |
mats: i gotta bite, which mass media co., exactly, not fully controlled ? |
| 02:55 |
mats |
i dont think that can last, the fake news contagions will build and build until its intolerable and commoners plead for censorship |
| 02:56 |
mats |
zuck still appears to act independently, and thinks of himself as head of a govt |
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| 02:56 |
asciilifeform |
mats: if you open nyt or wapo, is full of 'the people are pleading for censorship' for 5+y now. ( in sovok this kinda thing was called 'по просьбе трудящихся' , i.e. 'by demand of the labouring!11') |
| 02:56 |
mats |
ya |
| 02:57 |
asciilifeform |
'по просьбе трудящихся the cost of vodka has been raised' etc |
| 02:58 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-12#1045728 << is there some issue on which he aint 100% in line w/ erry other reich organ ? ( if so -- i missed ? ) |
| 02:58 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-12 22:56:40 mats: zuck still appears to act independently, and thinks of himself as head of a govt |
| 02:59 |
asciilifeform |
from asciilifeform's vantage point, all of these fucks are bricks in 100% solid wall of reich. all the serious questions among'em looong ago settled. |
| 02:59 |
asciilifeform |
today the only disagreements there are of the kind where e.g. 'will ms or amz get contract for cia datacenter' |
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| 03:14 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-12#1045668 << can't help but remember e.g. hans reiser, caught (supposedly) with pile of 'how to murder', 'how to clean up evidence', etc. books |
| 03:14 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-12 22:07:40 mats: a pro would've stolen a car, not borrowed it from a dealership |
| 03:16 |
asciilifeform |
(see also) |
| 03:16 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2017-11-24 gabriel_laddel: #! the people in real life are the people from movies not the people from real life |
| 03:16 |
asciilifeform |
^ iirc tlp |
| 03:19 |
mats |
lol, clever |
| 03:22 |
mats |
i got the sense that trump and zuck had a compact, where they shielded each other from censorship, plus other favors changing hands |
| 03:22 |
mats |
and when it was politically expedient, the former was jettisoned |
| 03:24 |
mats |
looks like a relationship between peers, rather than a hegemon directing vassals |
| 03:25 |
mats |
an informal arrangement between heads of state. |
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| 09:48 |
punkman |
South Africa thread still going. wonder if it's gonna be another Somalia in few years |
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| 14:17 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: interesting pics; wasn't aware that it was not yet already 'a somalia.' |
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| 15:03 |
asciilifeform |
!w poll |
| 15:03 |
watchglass |
Polling 17 nodes... |
| 15:03 |
watchglass |
185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect! |
| 15:03 |
watchglass |
84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect! |
| 15:03 |
watchglass |
185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect! |
| 15:03 |
watchglass |
71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.032s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690839 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
| 15:03 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.031s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690839 |
| 15:03 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.061s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690839 |
| 15:03 |
watchglass |
54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.114s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690839 |
| 15:03 |
watchglass |
143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.243s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690839 |
| 15:03 |
watchglass |
208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.220s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690839 |
| 15:03 |
watchglass |
176.9.59.199:8333 : (static.199.59.9.176.clients.your-server.de) Alive: (0.273s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=412062 (Operator: jurov) |
| 15:03 |
watchglass |
54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.201s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690839 |
| 15:03 |
watchglass |
192.151.158.26:8333 : Alive: (0.214s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690839 |
| 15:03 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.324s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690839 |
| 15:03 |
watchglass |
213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.351s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690824 |
| 15:03 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.030s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=690839 (Operator: whaack) |
| 15:03 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.580s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690839 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
| 15:04 |
watchglass |
103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.548s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690839 |
| 15:14 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: in re noad spamola (which carries on, tho w/out visible effect on block-eatin') -- is 2000 the max list edible by your scanner? ( dun recall whether this is simply max peer list in trb.. ) |
| 15:15 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: i don't believe i ever restricted it to 2000, unless postgres caps text[] column types by default for some reason |
| 15:16 |
asciilifeform |
must be a cap in trb, tho can't seem to find where |
| 15:16 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: i'm working now on putting up something at http://bitdash.io/nodes/ so can, for example, view only trb nodes, etc. |
| 15:17 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: neato |
| 15:18 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: would be interesting to find out what, if anyffin, the bogus noades have in common |
| 15:18 |
asciilifeform |
(they don't seem to all be, as in '17, on aws, for instance) |
| 15:19 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: any possibility that they're not bogus but that watchglass's protocol spec is missing some magic prb flag somewhere? |
| 15:20 |
billymg |
... i guess i could lookup some of the IPs in a heathen explorer to test that |
| 15:20 |
billymg |
re: 2000 cap, this one reporting 2001 |
| 15:21 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: there's the extra byte in the hello but asciilifeform assumed that billymg already accounted for this |
| 15:21 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-03-01 14:38:20 asciilifeform: shinohai: this btw confirmed. i did experiment, if one sends that extra byte, prb noades do in fact send addrs. (and yes some of'em ipv6, have to be thrown out) |
| 15:21 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: yeah, i accounted for that one |
| 15:21 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: aha, given as very clearly visible in your thing , there are prb nodes which ~do~ return peers |
| 15:22 |
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asciilifeform has no data in re any other obvious protocol incompatibilities in prb |
| 15:22 |
asciilifeform |
... doesn't mean there aint any |
| 15:23 |
billymg |
the prb crawler has an api, maybe later at some point i could add in some automated cross referencing |
| 15:24 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: what for ? |
| 15:24 |
billymg |
strictly to uncover irregularities |
| 15:25 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: so long as nuffin they do can break yours, dun see wainot |
| 15:34 |
billymg |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-09#1044719 << by this were you referring to the fact that trb eventually clears out the spam peers? |
| 15:34 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-09 19:28:00 asciilifeform: interesting. tho loox like trb ~does~ purge cache; yest. i was starting to think it doesn't (or can be induced into fughetting) |
| 15:34 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: aha |
| 15:34 |
* |
asciilifeform will have to go and reread the pertinent src |
| 15:35 |
billymg |
this must've been something that you or someone added by hand then, no? since the prb nodes don't seem to do the same |
| 15:35 |
billymg |
(or something that prb later removed by hand) |
| 15:35 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: not added. but possibly later removed in prb. |
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| 16:51 |
gregory4 |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-03-01#1008251 << one of my favorite articles by MP was his rejection of IPv6. |
| 16:51 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-03-01 14:38:20 asciilifeform: shinohai: this btw confirmed. i did experiment, if one sends that extra byte, prb noades do in fact send addrs. (and yes some of'em ipv6, have to be thrown out) |
| 17:00 |
* |
BingoBoingo back in the city |
| 17:01 |
shinohai |
wb BingoBoingo |
| 17:02 |
BingoBoingo |
Have not yet found treasure unless watching the cast of Sea World eating each other in the wild counts |
| 17:02 |
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asciilifeform waves to BingoBoingo |
| 17:03 |
* |
BingoBoingo advises nature photography enthusiasts that Orcas are incredibly stealthly for their size |
| 17:04 |
BingoBoingo |
Shit wrong network |
| 17:15 |
mats |
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/12/biden-covid-vaccination-campaign-499278 "Biden allied groups, including the Democratic National Committee, are also planning to engage fact-checkers more aggressively and work with SMS carriers to dispel misinformation about vaccines that is sent over social media and text messages." |
| 17:16 |
mats |
imagine the trump team sending text messages to remind people they actually won the election in 2020 |
| 17:17 |
mats |
'this msg brought to you by the US Federal Government' |
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| 17:55 |
billymg |
mats: are they suggesting they'll just send spam or that if you send something they don't like the recipient will just see "[message redacted. click here to get the facts on the covid vaccine]"? |
| 18:00 |
asciilifeform |
classic production of the ministry of 'you, idjit plebes, will wank to death about $constructed_fake_issue while we brrrr with moneyprinter and give it to ourselves!' |
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| 18:06 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: several euro countries now implementing movement restrictions based on vaccination status |
| 18:08 |
billymg |
i'm not sure if the vaccine is fake or not but i certainly don't trust them enough to let them stick me with any needles |
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| 18:11 |
mats |
billymg: idk, maybe the correction will appear after you get it |
| 18:12 |
mats |
considering the proliferation of scientific expertise, pretty hard for me to take people seriously who say that the vaccine might be fake |
| 18:12 |
billymg |
mats: yeah, i don't think it's fake (as in saline solution) |
| 18:13 |
mats |
like there's a global cabal of professional scientists who are all in on it together |
| 18:13 |
billymg |
but i also don't see why i need it when 0.0001% chance of death or whatever for my age/health profile |
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| 18:13 |
mats |
there is 'long covid' |
| 18:14 |
mats |
anyway, i don't really give a shit, its a problem that solves itself |
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| 18:14 |
mats |
like bird and lime scooters |
| 18:15 |
mats |
and since lots of kids aren't getting the vax yet, its also a multigenerational solution |
| 18:15 |
mats |
sins of the father, etc |
| 18:15 |
* |
asciilifeform had the actual covid, and even got vaccine, can't be certain it wasn't saline -- experienced 0 of the palpable torments from the latter phobia-suffers obsessed with |
| 18:15 |
asciilifeform |
*sufferers |
| 18:16 |
mats |
my first shot was ez, second was debilitating for a day |
| 18:17 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: if you had actual covid, why the vaccine? |
| 18:17 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: theoretically if like other coronas ('common cold') immunity good for ~yr |
| 18:18 |
asciilifeform |
but as already said, felt like 'scam', 0 'bite' |
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| 18:19 |
billymg |
i still don't understand the aggressive push for it, with "vaccine passports" and movement restrictions and the like |
| 18:19 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: simple, parsimonious hypothesis. |
| 18:19 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-13 14:00:23 asciilifeform: classic production of the ministry of 'you, idjit plebes, will wank to death about $constructed_fake_issue while we brrrr with moneyprinter and give it to ourselves!' |
| 18:20 |
mats |
because a sizeable majority of the west is over 50, lol |
| 18:20 |
mats |
i could go either way on the vax push personally, it'd be great to accelerate the intergenerational wealth transfer from old to young, and west to east |
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| 18:21 |
mats |
let the dummies cook |
| 18:21 |
asciilifeform |
there's a sizable population who don't want the fun to stop (covidiocy freed'em from commuteschwitz) so will come up with 'reasons', 'ohnoez, only 80% vaccined' etc |
| 18:22 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: 'mega delta plus variant' |
| 18:22 |
billymg |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-13#1045829 << right, so why get it if young and healthy? |
| 18:22 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-13 14:20:51 mats: i could go either way on the vax push personally, it'd be great to accelerate the intergenerational wealth transfer from old to young, and west to east |
| 18:22 |
asciilifeform |
sadly the 'scythe of the old' thing turned out to be disinfo |
| 18:22 |
mats |
because long covid |
| 18:22 |
billymg |
what did those olds ever do for me? |
| 18:23 |
billymg |
mats: i admit i'm not super familiar with 'long covid' |
| 18:23 |
mats |
i don't start from the premise that society needs to be protected, i'm looking out for my own interests |
| 18:23 |
billymg |
iirc thimbronion had it too (regular covid), said it was quite bad for a week or two, like bad flu |
| 18:23 |
mats |
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects.html |
| 18:25 |
thimbronion |
Hasn't been that long of a term |
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| 18:25 |
mats |
covid could've been an unmitigated win for the west and china to kneecap everyone else |
| 18:25 |
asciilifeform |
cdc << lol what's next, links to usg.climatology dept? |
| 18:25 |
mats |
the rest of the planet's economy is still in the shit, and not likely to recover anytime soon |
| 18:26 |
mats |
and usa, de, ru, cn, get to dole out vax to people on side |
| 18:26 |
mats |
ya, next time ill link breitbart |
| 18:27 |
thimbronion |
Covid also conveniently "spreads asymptomatically." Was "scientifically proven" almost immediately. |
| 18:28 |
billymg |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-13#1045842 << as in, too early to tell if might start having 'long covid' symptoms? |
| 18:28 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-13 14:25:04 thimbronion: Hasn't been that long of a term |
| 18:28 |
thimbronion |
billymg: imo |
| 18:28 |
billymg |
gotcha |
| 18:32 |
billymg |
mats: i'm curious, in 2001 did you also believe 'patriot act' was for your protection? |
| 18:33 |
asciilifeform |
mats: you know how in the old days, sometimes robbers set a place on fire and then robbed as it burned ? that's what covidism was. |
| 18:33 |
mats |
no, billymg |
| 18:33 |
asciilifeform |
while breitbarts fight the antibreitbards, moneyprinter goes brr. |
| 18:34 |
billymg |
mats: i fail to see the difference between the two boogeymen |
| 18:34 |
billymg |
'terrorism' and 'pandemic' |
| 18:34 |
mats |
am i being trolled right now |
| 18:34 |
mats |
good work everyone, had a laugh at my expense |
| 18:35 |
asciilifeform |
why, for instance, 'real estate up 2x' ? was there a ww2? destroyed 50% of houses in usa? no. was there mass migration, suddenly 2x as many people bidding? also no. which leaves #3 -- doubled monetary mass. |
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| 18:35 |
asciilifeform |
*ww3 |
| 18:36 |
mats |
there is in fact many more people bidding, lol |
| 18:36 |
asciilifeform |
'people' |
| 18:36 |
asciilifeform |
speculators aint people, mats |
| 18:36 |
mats |
middle-upper class americans competing, and losing, against upper class |
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| 18:36 |
mats |
eh, speculators are market mechanisms, this smells like the musk 'shorters are e-e-evil' |
| 18:37 |
asciilifeform |
mats: houses are for people to live in. |
| 18:37 |
mats |
builders are also not adding new supply, after deep trauma from the 08 crash |
| 18:37 |
mats |
sure, but monetised real estate is a side effect of infinite money |
| 18:37 |
asciilifeform |
aaha |
| 18:37 |
mats |
there's the idealised view and then there's how it is |
| 18:38 |
asciilifeform |
mats: it doesn't seem like we disagree re 'what' is happening. but possibly disagree in pov. per asciilifeform , what it all is -- is a massive theft. |
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| 18:38 |
asciilifeform |
theft by lizards of the very little remaining that they have not yet stolen from people. |
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| 18:39 |
mats |
its a good time for theft, yeah |
| 18:39 |
mats |
i'm a little allergic to the 'covid is deliberate, [fort dietrick|chinamen] did it' |
| 18:39 |
asciilifeform |
it's a classic arson+theft. burn down economy, loot what little savings anyone had. |
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| 18:39 |
asciilifeform |
just like in '90s ru |
| 18:40 |
billymg |
mats: i don't think covid was deliberate |
| 18:40 |
billymg |
i think the opportunists reaction to it was deliberate |
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| 18:40 |
billymg |
opportunists'* |
| 18:40 |
billymg |
and not in good faith either |
| 18:40 |
asciilifeform |
^ |
| 18:41 |
mats |
i agree, and i don't know how to get from there to 'maybe the vax is fake' |
| 18:42 |
mats |
is it because i don't consume alt right media? |
| 18:42 |
asciilifeform |
mats: neither do i |
| 18:43 |
mats |
i get that smell from thimbronion, for example |
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| 18:43 |
mats |
its not even because of ideology, those people just lie regularly and shamelessly, and its easier for me to suss out when the libs do it |
| 18:44 |
mats |
because they still have rules, and the lies are just less common |
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| 18:44 |
asciilifeform |
mats: i regard the 'counter-usg dissidency' 'movement' as simply an arm of usg. certainly since this point. |
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| 18:44 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-07 23:07:46 asciilifeform: ^ thread where no less than weev refused to host at pizarro. because ohnoez, mah dns, etc |
| 18:46 |
asciilifeform |
( see also thread. the 'right'-flavoured organs in usa very unabashedly targeted to room-temp-iq folx. for their entire history of existence afaik. ) |
| 18:46 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2016-11-01 asciilifeform: ~actual~ alternative affairs do not get airwave largesse from usg. they get banned, like isis-tentacle-not-pointed-ru-wards, and ddosed, like qntra. |
| 18:46 |
asciilifeform |
e.g |
| 18:46 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2016-11-01 asciilifeform: and yes, being on that list apparently nominates you for EVERY pyramid scheme, herbal viagra, !!!!!!URGENT!!!!! faux-irs envelope, etc. scam in usa. |
| 18:48 |
billymg |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-13#1045889 << did i read this right? is this in reference to the mostly peaceful protests last summer or...? |
| 18:48 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-13 14:44:18 mats: because they still have rules, and the lies are just less common |
| 18:49 |
mats |
have you tried to watch foxnews anytime in the last two years? lol |
| 18:49 |
* |
billymg has never watched fox news |
| 18:50 |
mats |
politically, i'm supposed to be inclined to right wing media, as a social moderate/fiscal conservative, but its a nonstop barf |
| 18:50 |
asciilifeform |
mats: i don't watch 'newses' fullstop |
| 18:51 |
asciilifeform |
re covidism opportunists -- via this crackpot link found decent piece, imho, on subj. |
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| 18:51 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-05 18:05:55 punkman: https://lukesmith.xyz/articles/only-use-old-computers << fella would have been prime tmsr candidate |
| 18:51 |
mats |
and its not like there are any fiscal conservatives in elected office afaik |
| 18:51 |
asciilifeform |
mats: there are not. not in usa. |
| 18:51 |
asciilifeform |
not 1 who advocates a cessation of 'brrr'. |
| 18:52 |
asciilifeform |
mats: i suspect this is a cultural diff , possibly; like e.g. lenin, asciilifeform sees 'pushers of middle grounds' as siding with the enemy. |
| 18:52 |
mats |
eh, i don't vote anyway |
| 18:52 |
billymg |
^ same |
| 18:52 |
asciilifeform |
so no, there are no 'fiscal conservatives' in any position of actual influence in usa, there are only 'print slightly slower' advocates (if even this) |
| 18:53 |
asciilifeform |
from earlier piece : 'In reality, the ruling classes of the West have openly prepared to benefit from a pandemic scenario. COVID19 was deemed "closed enough" to a pandemic, and the momentum of the system took over. It's not even that they wanted it to happen, but they were prepped to benefit from it as a contingency plan if it might occur.' |
| 19:00 |
mats |
i'm on board with accelerationist qe now, might as well get it over with while the going's good |
| 19:00 |
asciilifeform |
mats: elaborate ? |
| 19:00 |
asciilifeform |
( get what over with ? while what is good ? ) |
| 19:00 |
mats |
when bitcoins and digital yuan proliferate, the party's over for usd |
| 19:01 |
mats |
but until then, there's no perceptible leakage while the printing continues |
| 19:01 |
asciilifeform |
mats: what would be different, from asciilifeform's position, in a new-reich where yuan replaces usd ? |
| 19:01 |
mats |
more inflation, downgraded national credit ratings |
| 19:01 |
asciilifeform |
( does it actually matter which brand of money printer goes brr ? ) |
| 19:02 |
mats |
some kind of return to hard money, and yes, it does matter |
| 19:02 |
asciilifeform |
that's the part of the syllogism i aint seeing |
| 19:02 |
asciilifeform |
this 'return to hard money' has been prophecied for 100+y |
| 19:03 |
asciilifeform |
never seems to happen. for the imho obv. reason that 'soft theft' via inflation is much cheaper (and less risks war) than 'hard theft' via open force |
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| 19:03 |
asciilifeform |
so it won out. rather how 'soft brainwash' won over the 'hard' type associated w/ 1930s europe |
| 19:04 |
mats |
since close out of ww2, there's never been a real strategic alternative to usd |
| 19:05 |
mats |
i don't see the americans and the chinese cooperating on printing, when the social and economic mechanics are so different |
| 19:06 |
asciilifeform |
mats: wasn't supposing they would cooperate; rather, got the picture that in mats's cosmography, they reverse roles (e.g. cn prints printolade, usa supplies cheap slave labour) |
| 19:06 |
mats |
and, beijing regularly exerts real power over its corps, like the didi and antfinancial skullfucking in the last year |
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| 19:06 |
mats |
interestingly, the biden antitrust has been decidedly warmed over and watery |
| 19:06 |
asciilifeform |
really, surprised ? |
| 19:07 |
thimbronion |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-13#1045887 << mats doesn't have a smell? Congrats. You are completely original and unique. |
| 19:07 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-13 14:43:01 mats: i get that smell from thimbronion, for example |
| 19:07 |
mats |
i was hopeful |
| 19:07 |
signpost |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-13#1045824 << I got the Moderna shot, significant immune response to the second one. chills to the point of tremors. |
| 19:07 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-13 14:18:12 asciilifeform: but as already said, felt like 'scam', 0 'bite' |
| 19:07 |
signpost |
which made me glad, as "did something" |
| 19:07 |
signpost |
I figured my choices were "get chunk of the virus, or all" |
| 19:08 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: interesting. |
| 19:08 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: i had 'pfizer', 0 'bite'. |
| 19:08 |
asciilifeform |
possib. simply because already had the genuine article, fuck knows. |
| 19:08 |
signpost |
yeah, outside my area to say |
| 19:09 |
mats |
thimbronion: for me, there's a qualitative difference between pouring gasoline on the alt right fire (i approve), and huffing from the gas before the pouring |
| 19:09 |
* |
asciilifeform not from 'vaccine phobic' culture, had full orchestra of various, incl. against smallpox, etc that no longer served up in usa. recalls episode in BingoBoingostan where 'don't drink from this cup! this is the mumps cup!' asciilifeform drinks, onlookers recoil in horror |
| 19:09 |
signpost |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-13#1045880 << agreed, "never waste a good crisis" |
| 19:09 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-13 14:40:18 billymg: i think the opportunists reaction to it was deliberate |
| 19:12 |
thimbronion |
mats: must be nice having direct access to the truth. |
| 19:12 |
mats |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/alethepedia/2020-12-04#1001516 << its stuff like this, molyneux is a scrub |
| 19:12 |
dulapbot |
(alethepedia) 2020-12-04 thimbronion: gregorynyssa: My sources are all second hand, referenced mainly in podcasts like Freedomain radio. He references and interviews several IQ researchers. |
| 19:13 |
mats |
'philosophy show', christ |
| 19:13 |
thimbronion |
mats: sarcasm is unpersuasive. |
| 19:13 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: can't speak for mats, but i suspect his contention is 'don't bite the obvious crankbait' |
| 19:13 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2016-11-22 asciilifeform: aka crankbait. |
| 19:14 |
thimbronion |
mats: Go on the daily show or whatever. |
| 19:14 |
* |
punkman has not vaccinated yet. We have around 80 deaths under 40yo in the country (out of13k total). It seems to me that efficacy is gonna end up at 50-60% in the field. And while they were saying "1 in million haz adverse effect", there are about 10 serious adverse events in local population of 150k vaccinated. |
| 19:14 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: in ru they were counting e.g. car crash victims as 'covid death', and i expect similar elsewhere. |
| 19:14 |
asciilifeform |
90yo keels over from pneumonia ? covid. |
| 19:14 |
punkman |
dying "with" covid is SOP almost everywhere |
| 19:15 |
mats |
theres only 13k people under 40 in gr? holy shit |
| 19:15 |
mats |
how does anyone fuck? |
| 19:15 |
punkman |
some people went to court about death of relative, judge ruled malpractice in regards to intubation |
| 19:15 |
punkman |
mats, 13k deaths |
| 19:15 |
mats |
or is that your island |
| 19:15 |
mats |
ohh |
| 19:16 |
punkman |
most of the "covid cases" are in under 40 group |
| 19:16 |
signpost |
most likely problem with mrna vax imho is that it is too specific, and just provides evolutionary pressure for new protein spikes. |
| 19:16 |
signpost |
as discussed by bret weinstein et al |
| 19:16 |
signpost |
see: delta variant etc |
| 19:16 |
punkman |
there's the Novavax thing, nanolipid covered with spikes, no mrna/adenovirus |
| 19:17 |
punkman |
delta seems even less lethal |
| 19:17 |
punkman |
even the common symptoms have shifted, #1 is headache/runny nose now |
| 19:18 |
signpost |
yep, which is why I thank the unvaccinated masses for putting pressure on making it more mild |
| 19:18 |
punkman |
I'm only worried about the "long covid" but all the studies I've read were, let's say, not that great. |
| 19:19 |
punkman |
lots of things common with chronic fatigue syndromes and other such bullshit |
| 19:19 |
asciilifeform |
will be Officially as lethal or non-lethal as the muppetmasters want it as the play unfolds. |
| 19:19 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-13 14:51:05 asciilifeform: re covidism opportunists -- via this crackpot link found decent piece, imho, on subj. |
| 19:19 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-13 14:38:51 asciilifeform: theft by lizards of the very little remaining that they have not yet stolen from people. |
| 19:19 |
asciilifeform |
the fishwraps will report the desired mix of horror stories or miraculous cures, as req'd. |
| 19:20 |
asciilifeform |
vaccine will be 100% effective, or 0%, as needed. |
| 19:20 |
punkman |
I don't even know anyone that got covid |
| 19:20 |
punkman |
closest is girl's uncle/aunt |
| 19:22 |
punkman |
btw, Pfizer CEO is greek jew |
| 19:22 |
punkman |
they paraded him on TV for a while |
| 19:29 |
asciilifeform |
upstack -- why would the process of crown & corp. merging that took place errywhere else, not run its course in china ? |
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| 19:29 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-13 15:06:17 mats: and, beijing regularly exerts real power over its corps, like the didi and antfinancial skullfucking in the last year |
| 19:29 |
punkman |
we had all kinds of crazy "measures"/bans. Curfew at 6/9/12pm for many months. Banned travel to diff city/county unless for work/"important reasons". Banned fishing/hunting for a long time. "Banned" surgeries at hospital. Schools/unis closed for very long time. |
| 19:30 |
asciilifeform |
really is an effect of industrialization, which is centralizing; result can be stalin, hitler, or fdr-flavoured, but otherwise very similar, there is no such thing as 'multiple elites' in a civilization in long term |
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| 19:30 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: 'ban surgeries' happened here also ; was straight-out massacre of pensioners by the state |
| 19:31 |
asciilifeform |
y'know, exactly what the lizards accused the anti-quarantine folx of doing |
| 19:31 |
punkman |
of course all "entertainment" banned. then banned unless outside and sitting. then banned music at all bars. |
| 19:31 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: aka 'shit test' |
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| 19:32 |
asciilifeform |
'how much shit can we make the plebes eat, with how little rebellion' |
| 19:33 |
punkman |
now they got new thing. Venues can choose to be "covid-free" or "mixed". First is only for vaxxed and had-covid people, second everyone but must at least have neg rapid test. First allowed to be indoors, second only outdoors. |
| 19:35 |
punkman |
I don't think anyone can even keep track, keeps changing every other day |
| 19:36 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: observe , this was the tactic since the beginning, change Official truth faster than anyone can reasonably work out a response |
| 19:36 |
asciilifeform |
gotta maintain the 'sense of urgency' and mass psychosis. |
| 19:38 |
asciilifeform |
plebes can wank over whether vaccine installs windows 10 'pro' in your hippocampus; while lizards cackle over the 2x prices yer paying for errything, and their real estate & stock portfolios 'to the moon' directly at your expense |
| 19:39 |
punkman |
news said 10 new billionaires made from the vaccines already |
| 19:39 |
punkman |
EU has already ordered enough vax for 2023 |
| 19:39 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: small change compared to the great theft . |
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| 19:39 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-13 14:38:31 asciilifeform: mats: it doesn't seem like we disagree re 'what' is happening. but possibly disagree in pov. per asciilifeform , what it all is -- is a massive theft. |
| 19:40 |
asciilifeform |
y'know , the 1 where plebe now expected to pay 2-3x for the SAME FUCKING CARBOARD BOX he lived in '19 in. |
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| 19:41 |
punkman |
Mykonos reached 105% vax rate, here in Crete hovering around 35-40% |
| 19:41 |
asciilifeform |
105 << lol! |
| 19:41 |
asciilifeform |
(is biden's 'approval rating' 105% yet??) |
| 19:41 |
punkman |
(temp residents, travelers and such) |
| 19:42 |
asciilifeform |
a |
| 19:42 |
punkman |
but yeah, funny |
| 19:42 |
asciilifeform |
rly, tourists come and 'hm i forgot, lemme get vaccine' ? |
| 19:42 |
* |
signpost was "tourist" to a shitty town in east texas because nobody there wanted the supply |
| 19:43 |
signpost |
curious if it's this |
| 19:43 |
punkman |
back to "I don't know anyone that actually got covid", but I know 2 people with recurring headaches after vax. |
| 19:44 |
signpost |
punkman: somewhat suspicious of folks lifting existing paranoia onto an easy target to blame, but sure, could be a side effect. |
| 19:44 |
signpost |
i.e. the spikes causing autoimmune issues |
| 19:44 |
mats |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-13#1045983 well, what i'm saying here is that xjp is reining in potential sources of financial contagion. where the americans failed to manage the subprime collapse. |
| 19:44 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-13 15:29:04 asciilifeform: upstack -- why would the process of crown & corp. merging that took place errywhere else, not run its course in china ? |
| 19:45 |
mats |
beijing demonstrating some measure of competence |
| 19:45 |
punkman |
gonna be spectacular when that huge CN dam bursts |
| 19:45 |
mats |
to be clear, the contagion was ant financial, didi was just trying to sneak one past the politburo |
| 19:48 |
punkman |
was trying to buy FFP3 masks in Feb 2020, everyone I called "sorry chinaman bought us out". |
| 19:49 |
mats |
personally, i'd like to see the americans and chinese beat each other into a stalemate, that's a formula for world peace |
| 19:50 |
mats |
like if beijing sailed on taiwan. |
| 19:57 |
punkman |
hard to say who's more incompetent, CN has more bodies for sure, probably more drones too |
| 19:57 |
punkman |
Turkey is going big on the drone manufacturing, kinda worrying for Greece |
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| 20:14 |
mats |
heh, the azeri-armeni war was instructive |
| 20:15 |
mats |
armenian |
| 20:17 |
punkman |
on the way to Cuba https://twitter.com/banpercie/status/1415009109783494659 |
| 20:19 |
asciilifeform |
oh hey 'bay of pigs'-2 ? |
| 20:20 |
* |
asciilifeform not astonished; with fuhrer dead, 'colour revolution' was a 'when', not an 'if' |
| 20:21 |
mats |
https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/what-united-states-military-can-learn-nagorno-karabakh-war fairly complete coverage on the conflict |
| 20:22 |
mats |
https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/drones-nagorno-karabakh on drone warfare |
| 20:23 |
mats |
lol, thats a reverse bay of pigs, cubans fleeing for miami |
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~ 32 minutes ~ |
| 20:55 |
asciilifeform |
mats: mno ? |
| 20:56 |
asciilifeform |
mats: 'Así parten desde Miami miles y miles de Cubanos armados hacia Cuba para ayudar a su gente a luchar contra la dictadura castrocomunista. ' |
| 20:56 |
asciilifeform |
nuffin reverse about it |
| 20:59 |
asciilifeform |
mats: (or is your thought that the photo is of sop 'reverse', and bogo-captioned..?) |
| 21:09 |
mats |
ah, my spanish sucks |
| 21:09 |
mats |
misread |
| 21:18 |
mats |
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/cuba/article252742483.html lol, influencers |
| 21:32 |
punkman |
lol. also below article: "Homeland Security Secretary says U.S. authorities will be watching for Cubans and Haitians trying to come by sea." |
| 21:32 |
asciilifeform |
lol i.e. 'plz wait for 1 of the 364 d in yr when a++ ok to come on rowboat' |
| 21:36 |
asciilifeform |
from above fishwrap, lulz, 'The Fed and the White House have made clear their belief that the current bout of inflation will prove temporary.' |
| 21:36 |
asciilifeform |
^ 'temporary' via same magick as makes for Official inflation rate in single digits (i.e. exclude housing) |
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~ 16 minutes ~ |
| 21:53 |
punkman |
"The Fed is aiming for inflation to exceed its target of 2% for some time to make up for the fact that inflation fell below that level for most of the past decade. The Fed wants inflation to average 2% over time to prevent Americans' inflation expectations from falling too low." |
| 21:53 |
asciilifeform |
'fact' |
| 21:54 |
punkman |
well as long as the proles don't get any of the money, they can keep it going |
| 21:54 |
punkman |
but it leaks eventually |
| 21:55 |
punkman |
ECB printed just as much over here |
| 21:55 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: proles get, lizards reharvest it in rents, and so ad infinitum |
| 21:56 |
punkman |
same Price Index scam, even codified into "community law", every country must diddle their own CPI in same way |
| 21:56 |
signpost |
this is the real answer to "where's all the inflation" |
| 21:56 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: it's in there. and in the prices of just about errything else. |
| 21:56 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-13 15:40:34 asciilifeform: y'know , the 1 where plebe now expected to pay 2-3x for the SAME FUCKING CARBOARD BOX he lived in '19 in. |
| 21:57 |
asciilifeform |
and very much optimized to punish 'terrorists' who refuse to run debt. |
| 21:57 |
signpost |
sure, and that's "managed capitalism" in the same way as "managed democracy" |
| 21:57 |
asciilifeform |
'aah, asciilifeform , you won't mortgage? well enjoy smoking that dough, cuz that's all you'll be able to do with it in 5y' |
| 21:58 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: same folx doing the 'managing' |
| 21:58 |
asciilifeform |
in both cases. in all cases. |
| 21:59 |
signpost |
I think to punkman's point, prole cornfood isn't hyperinflating because the BRRRRRR's flowing into the casino |
| 21:59 |
signpost |
the cornfood is a command-economy matter. |
| 22:00 |
asciilifeform |
indeed is. actual food, such as e.g. asciilifeform is able to find, is up ~200% tho |
| 22:00 |
signpost |
aha, same |
| 22:00 |
asciilifeform |
and going 'to the moon' |