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05:01 signpost phf: yeah, might prompt amusing responses from certain relatives, but I wager they'd guess my motivation correctly.
05:05 signpost mangol:
05:05 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-11 13:27:19 asciilifeform: mangol: current angle seems to be 'let's eat eu to run usa for anuther decade'
05:06 signpost then when done, feed you to the russians apparently.
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08:18 mangol signpost: sounds about right
08:18 mangol do you think some of the states may secede from the union and turn into livable places once shit hits the fan on your side of the atlantic?
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15:01 phf mangol:
15:03 asciilifeform $ticker btc usd
15:03 busybot Current BTC price in USD: $40465.11
15:16 signpost mangol: texas yaps about it, but I don't know that secession would make things better.
15:16 signpost see also: ukraine. lol
15:16 signpost in re: what happens when the nukes end up outside your shitty new republic.
15:17 asciilifeform signpost: fwiw ukristan started w/ over9000 nukes inside
15:17 signpost yep, gave 'em back.
15:17 asciilifeform signpost: see, however, obv. caveat
15:17 dulapbot (trilema) 2014-11-25 asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it.
15:17 signpost texas isn't starting with any afaik
15:18 asciilifeform reich inheritances dunwork so well when 'taken home' by a bantustan
15:18 signpost yep makes sense. same would be the case here if we even had any.
15:19 asciilifeform hence e.g. north dakota aint on the road to becoming 'nuke power'. even if reich leaves the silos as-is
15:19 asciilifeform contents will be bought, by foreigners, for cheap pu, misc. metals, finally scrap iron. as in su.
15:21 signpost I don't see the will to being a separate country, either.
15:21 signpost more likely we just sit in our filth for a while.
15:22 asciilifeform a likely historical example, e.g. uzbekistan.
15:24 asciilifeform or perhaps azerbaijan, given tx petro fields.
15:25 asciilifeform larger, moar important imho point, is that there aint any such thing as 'better jurisdiction' w/out taking into acct 'for whom'.
15:27 asciilifeform ( see e.g. the old apocryphal thatcher lul )
15:27 dulapbot (trilema) 2014-03-03 asciilifeform: or mrs. thatcher's 'we need no more than 15 mil. russians. to service the pipeline.'
15:29 signpost 35% of texas exports go to mexico.
15:30 signpost 40% of texas is hispanic.
15:31 asciilifeform [link][caption] plox
15:31 asciilifeform but yes
15:31 signpost ah damn it
15:32 signpost been doing markdown elsewhere
15:32 asciilifeform a
15:32 * asciilifeform prolly oughta make it bidirectional. has been on pheature wishlist for aeons
15:33 signpost but finally, the comparison in military budgets between texas and mexico... differs by two orders of magnitude in mexico's favor
15:34 signpost makes for an interesting future if texas seceded.
15:34 asciilifeform imho comparing budgets is lulzy, given orders of magnitude variation in what the moolah actually buys in given locale
15:35 asciilifeform (the obv. go-to example being usg's multi-1e9$ wunderwaffen which have problems w/ basic tasks such as staying afloat)
15:35 signpost sure, can also compare population, where mexico's about 3x
15:36 signpost and "texas military" has about 25k members
15:36 signpost this is leaving aside the fact that most of mexico's power resides in the cartels.
15:36 asciilifeform some unknown % of whom also 'in' 'mexican military' de-facto, aha
15:36 signpost seems an unlikely path for history to take, but weirder things happen all the time.
15:37 asciilifeform one mega-puzzler is what, precisely, will narco-cartel transform into w/out usg and its 'war on drugs'(tm)
15:37 signpost I'd sooner expect a great depression to cause further devolution of power to the states.
15:38 signpost asciilifeform: could be that's an unviable tentacle, yes
15:39 asciilifeform viable enuff if retools to historic 'pancho villa' dynamic
15:41 asciilifeform afaik mexico, geographically, is a quite good 'afganistan'; in the mountains, folx still speak mayan, and live moar or less in 1500s still
15:41 dulapbot Logged on 2021-05-24 17:09:05 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: re self-rule -- j.c. scott, 'the art of not being governed'. mandatory reading on subj.
15:49 asciilifeform aint difficult to imagine mexicans raiding ruins of north-a. reich for tangible goods, slaves, etc.; but 'mexican empire absorbs usa' is imho projection.
15:50 phf can't raid too far on a burro
15:52 asciilifeform well, on 'ford', or even 'abrams'. ('while supplies last'(tm))
15:53 asciilifeform the old empires churned out enuff hardware to last for a good, long party (as seen in e.g. ukristan)
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16:13 phf churned out enough petrol supply chain also?
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17:03 * asciilifeform recalls tanker scene in film 'water world'
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17:59 mangol "I am offering to buy 100% of Twitter for $54.20 per share in cash"
17:59 asciilifeform mangol: what diff do you suppose it makes, which usg oligarch owns twatter ?
18:00 mangol none. what i'm interested in is how reich will carry out the damage control
18:00 asciilifeform what'd be the 'damage' there ?
18:01 mangol musk is possibly the most persistently recalcitrant rich dude. never quite gets the memo that he should stay in line
18:02 mangol if he keeps on this course, they'll have to escalate
18:03 asciilifeform mangol: when and re: what subj did he fail to 'stay in line' ?
18:04 mangol has been toeing the line of acceptable opinion for years on any number of subjects
18:05 asciilifeform mangol: that's his designated role -- 'edgy', 'tech'-flavoured oligarch
18:05 mangol like a more liberal version of thiel?
18:05 asciilifeform aaha
18:06 asciilifeform and w/ moar focus on e.g. rockets than spy biz
18:06 mangol and thiel is kept around as controlled opposition, like a jordan peterson or ben shapiro for rich, successful people?
18:10 asciilifeform aaha
18:13 mangol how do you foresee the twitter saga progressing? buyout request is dismissed without fanfare, or successful buyout + stated objective to make it a "free speech zone" is quietly forgotten?
18:14 asciilifeform mangol: buyout (or not), then 'free speech zone'(tm) 'but not for terrorists and putler, of course'(tm), snore
18:15 mangol that's the current status. terrorists get "fact checked" and/or suspended
18:16 asciilifeform it's a reich platform, mangol , and operated 100% w/ reich-printed moolah. the fundamental purpose aint changing, no matter who is appointed to 'own' it
18:18 mangol ofc, but it's hard to put up a pretense of "new and improved twitter" if it stays exactly as it is
18:21 mangol re: focus on e.g. rockets than spy biz, spacex has launched several spy satellites. not sure whether thiel or musk has done to help spy
18:21 mangol *done more to help
18:22 mangol thiel's company did something for border control, though not clear if anybody at all is stopped at the border anymore
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18:49 asciilifeform meanwhile in alleged cn lulz.
18:51 asciilifeform the 'shit test' continues.
18:51 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-13 15:31:54 asciilifeform: punkman: aka 'shit test'
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19:13 verisimilitude Every edgy, rich fuck can be measured by how he acts towards China.
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19:47 asciilifeform verisimilitude: reich surrendered ~100% of its light industry to cn in '90s. no amt of pretenses from current muppets will change the result, simply comedy of generals, presidents, etc sitting in chinesium chairs, pushing chinesium buttons connected to barely-conductive cn-made cu-clad-al wiring, lol
19:48 asciilifeform ( look on yer desk, is there even 1 non-cn manmade object on it ? )
19:50 asciilifeform cn has 'civilized world' by both balls, and the only reason it aint obv. to some is that both cn brass and their reich muppets have 'biz as usual' deeply written into their firmware, and rarely depart from script
19:51 dulapbot Logged on 2020-11-02 15:33:53 asciilifeform: all the current slave empires have exactly 1 strategic objective : 'business-as-usual'. ad infinitum.
19:54 asciilifeform reich 'solved' the 'labour problem' by outsourcing both the labour and the required 'pinkertons'. long ago.
19:54 dulapbot Logged on 2022-01-25 19:23:44 asciilifeform: lizards in usa 'solved' the 'unions problem' by getting rid of labour, creating caste of lumpens on left side of bell curve and caste of paper shufflers on right side, with the sleight-of-hand moar than sufficing to ramp down expectations of life for all of'em
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20:35 shinohai <<< Victorinox Swiss Army Knife, rostfrei even!
20:35 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-14 15:47:21 asciilifeform: ( look on yer desk, is there even 1 non-cn manmade object on it ? )
20:37 shinohai to be fair i purchased this thing in like 1999 ....
20:37 verisimilitude My books, my hard disks, and I believe my keyboard.
20:37 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-14 15:47:21 asciilifeform: ( look on yer desk, is there even 1 non-cn manmade object on it ? )
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20:57 verisimilitude According to the label, my BAT chording keyboard was designed and made in the US.
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21:36 verisimilitude I'm not using Hacker News anymore, but came across this anyway:
21:37 verisimilitude ``The average Bitcoin investor is a calculating psychopath with an inflated ego, according to scientists.''
21:37 verisimilitude Does that describe mp at all?
21:37 verisimilitude Anyway, damn; I'm a calculating psychopath with an inflated ego, but no Bitcoin.
21:41 verisimilitude Headlines are so blatant even the average idiot can occasionally see through them.
21:56 asciilifeform 'Narcissists, on the other hand, are drawn to the technology because they tend to focus on the positive side of life. The researchers found that narcissists like crypto because of their great faith in the future and confidence that their own lives will improve.' << lel
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22:26 crtdaydreams asciilifeform: on ~recent~ thread re: elision and text processing; thoughts on SNOBOL?
22:26 dulapbot (trilema) 2019-08-09 asciilifeform: re general topic of 'string munging problems' -- they are plentiful and prolly inescapable, and i suspect there could be win from reviving an item like snobol (where ~sane~ abstractions specifically for stringism, rather than seas of regexp)
22:29 crtdaydreams << logs mention "unicon" exactly 0
22:29 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-11 23:22:24 verisimilitude: The logs only mention ``unicorn'' four times, and only once in the context of a mythical animal; we should discuss them more often.
22:30 crtdaydreams incl. #t, #o
22:31 crtdaydreams the idea of a VHLL is fairly lucrative
22:31 crtdaydreams say throw a proggy two strings and it returns a regex that mutates string_a to be string_b
22:33 crtdaydreams for >2 input str it does a not too dissimilar eval chain as say (cons)
22:34 crtdaydreams then again, my idea of a VHLL is probably pretty perverse
22:35 crtdaydreams s/VHLL/"very high level language"
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