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00:32 crtdaydreams !!seen punkman
00:32 deedbot 2022/01/27 14:39:41 <punkman> I mean "bug"
00:33 crtdaydreams !!seen whaack
00:33 deedbot 2022/04/04 18:34:51 <whaack> billymg: no i never restarted the node, may do so soon.
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01:18 * signpost had a hilarious workbench failure today.
01:19 signpost forgot to put -e in a shell script for cleaning up pentacle's last bootstrap attempt.
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01:20 signpost during the bootstrap process I bind-mount the target for the build into another build which contains the binary bootstrap environment.
01:20 signpost cleanup unmounts dev/proc/sys and the bind-mount, then destroys the bootstrap folder.
01:21 signpost ran cleanup while a bootstrap was running, so unmount failed, then the thing proceeded to rm -rf much more than it would've otherwise.
01:21 signpost had backups, just haven't had such a hilarious rapid unscheduled disassembly in a while.
01:22 signpost that -e is not the default says a lot about the spirit of unix shell scripting.
01:31 verisimilitude The basic principles behind UNIX are like those behind the WWW.
01:32 verisimilitude Be backwards compatible in all cases, regardless of reason or usage, except in those cases where the implementor doesn't want to be so.
01:37 * signpost renames pentacle pigsaddle.
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01:57 asciilifeform signpost: a++
01:57 * asciilifeform had once an (unpublished) item w/ working title 'sow's purse'
01:58 asciilifeform ( aand a 'silk ear', lol )
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02:18 signpost haha, believe I recall this
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13:58 shinohai http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-17#1096632 <<< bwahahaha, before I had discipline to `set -eu` and -o at start of all bash scripts I made many such hilarious encounters.
13:58 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-17 21:17:49 signpost: forgot to put -e in a shell script for cleaning up pentacle's last bootstrap attempt.
13:58 * shinohai looking forward to pentacle .....
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14:28 * asciilifeform also
14:28 asciilifeform $ticker btc usd
14:28 busybot Current BTC price in USD: $39493.26
14:28 asciilifeform cheapcoinz!11
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15:56 shinohai $uptime
15:56 busybot The bot has been up for: 4 days 8 hours 38 minutes and 14 seconds
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17:26 mats https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2022/04/china-zero-covid-shanghai-lockdown/629589
17:27 asciilifeform mats: see also
17:27 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-14 14:50:07 asciilifeform: the 'shit test' continues.
17:27 asciilifeform err, there
17:27 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-14 14:48:34 asciilifeform: meanwhile in alleged cn lulz.
17:28 mats ah yes, the central govt loves shit tests that challenges the state’s policy objectives
17:30 * asciilifeform skeptical re the 'empty fridge on balcony' meme, which smells strongly of 'colour revolution' fodder
17:30 mats it’s the long tentacles of harvard grads manipulating the chinamen into tanking their own economic security with covid fake news
17:31 asciilifeform mats: laff if you like, but is exactly what was happening, until recently, in ru
17:33 mats the important difference is that ru/cn's vaccines are relatively worse than the ones made in the west
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17:39 signpost omicon should've blown through them by now in either case.
17:39 signpost smells like bullshit to choke off exports.
17:39 signpost *omicron
17:44 mats that isn’t in their economic interest
17:46 signpost damaging the united states economically is in their longterm interest.
17:48 signpost this whole thing reads like ccp apologism.
17:49 signpost mats: where is the economic interest in shutting down their economy to save the old and infirm?
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18:04 * signpost can see an entirely different model too, that this has more to do with chinese internal politics than external.
18:05 signpost that would be entirely opaque to me.
18:17 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-18#1096663 << from where this certainty? (or that either in any useful sense worx, for that matter)
18:17 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-18 13:32:13 mats: the important difference is that ru/cn's vaccines are relatively worse than the ones made in the west
18:19 mats the us and china are still heavily economically integrated and this won't change going into the future
18:20 mats shrinking chinese exports to us would mean fewer net flows into the mainland, less corresponding wealth and a growing likelihood they'll get stuck in the middle income trap
18:21 mats won't change going into the foreseeable future*
18:21 asciilifeform not clear imho for what cn needs the green toilet paper, usa's main export
18:22 asciilifeform ( in reverse direction, obvious as daylight, usa can't manufacture even ballpoint pen w/out chinese ball and ink, lol )
18:22 mats usa still has fantastic quantities of natural resources
18:22 mats like food and water, which can be had in exchange for toilet paper
18:23 asciilifeform mats: is cn actually short on where to grow food ?
18:24 mats on the mainland? yes
18:24 mats iirc there's comparatively less arable land in country, and many more people besides
18:25 mats political winds can change and upend the obvious economic interests, but its not there yet
18:25 asciilifeform then seems like logical endgame -- import from ru
18:26 mats buying from anywhere it happens to be cheapest is the logical global endgame
18:26 asciilifeform especially then
18:27 mats there's some sense in letting the old and infirm die, but its a difficult problem to manage when double digits of the working population can also get covid and then long covid
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18:29 mats getting rid of pensioners and savers might be helpful to the younger crowd but not if they end up, say, 10-30% less productive and have 7 fewer iq points on avg
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18:34 signpost my comment was that it doesn't appear shutting down economies helps any, not that were I to live it over again, I'd not get the vaccine.
18:34 mats https://archive.ph/ZEpWA Bloomberg "Which Covid Vaccine Is Better? Moderna Edges Pfizer in Study of Five Covid Vaccines"
18:34 mats https://archive.ph/8njuf "Sinovac’s Vaccine Found Inferior to Pfizer Shot in Chile Study"
18:35 signpost given that I don't consider the chinese stupid, I have either intentional economic sabotage or internal politics as available hypotheses.
18:35 * signpost back in a bit
18:35 mats its not apparent that omicron is getting around in china, but i don't follow it closely
18:36 mats record outbreaks in shanghai, but rest of country, unclear
18:36 * signpost has a grandfather who had quad bypass, got omicron, was fine. seems like delta, etc, would've kicked his ass.
18:38 mats geographic mobility of chinese nationals is pretty limited even precovid, folks have household registrations and need permits to visit and work in other places
18:40 mats but enormous numbers of chinese don't have the vaccine
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18:56 * asciilifeform at this pt regards Official covidiocy stats ( whether washington's, pekin's, moscow's ) as moar or less same cocktail of fact & fiction as, well, other Official stats
19:01 phf ковидобесие
19:06 asciilifeform ^
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20:26 verisimilitude http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-18#1096689 This farce isn't obvious by now, mats?
20:26 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-18 14:26:07 mats: there's some sense in letting the old and infirm die, but its a difficult problem to manage when double digits of the working population can also get covid and then long covid
20:26 verisimilitude http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-18#1096690 Oh no, I've never been lied to about risks before.
20:26 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-18 14:27:53 mats: getting rid of pensioners and savers might be helpful to the younger crowd but not if they end up, say, 10-30% less productive and have 7 fewer iq points on avg
20:29 verisimilitude http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-08#1050766
20:29 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-08 17:34:07 verisimilitude: I vaguely remember my disappointment at realizing this so-called pandemic was fake, and not something which would kill hundreds of millions, perhaps leaving more room for me.
20:30 signpost you were going to pick up subsistence farming just after the die-off, or what?
20:30 verisimilitude No.
20:34 signpost oic
20:37 verisimilitude Oh, I be stupid and expect sinecure in the apocalypse, right?
20:40 verisimilitude I've not read ``Atlas Shrugged'' yet.
20:41 signpost my comment is that what kills hundreds of millions kills more.
20:41 signpost but perhaps that's what's happy to ya.
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21:04 verisimilitude I can understand how a man with children wouldn't so easily want such. A man with children prefers stability, I figure.
21:06 verisimilitude I'm probably confusing signpost with Peterl.
21:06 * signpost will have kids before long.
21:07 verisimilitude Well, I was close enough, then.
21:07 signpost but nah, not interested in stability as such.
21:07 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-16#1096459
21:07 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-16 19:31:41 signpost: might well be that we adapt astonishingly rapidly when things break, and only when.
21:07 signpost I was pointing out the suicidality of the urge.
21:09 asciilifeform see also
21:09 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-20 19:36:19 asciilifeform: 'horror without end, or a horrible end'(tm)
21:10 verisimilitude That's the nice part: I needn't plan for a scenario in which I die from such a mass effect.
21:22 signpost funny thing is that was a factor in my reasoning into having children, too.
21:23 verisimilitude How neat.
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