#asciilifeform | 2022-04-17

no, I mean who is this other you that acts upon you?

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i read some paper that implied that greek philosophy was mostly esoteric. teachings were supposed to be taken as a kind of transformative path, through which you work, over a lifetime, eventually getting to the same point as the author of th teaching

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if this other you's inside the same head, that's at least interesting, and more complicated than "Hi, my name is Michael Trinque."

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yes, zen's even worse, where what was written is a tool for exhausting the argumentative mind entirely, letting the other thing slip by.

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then you try to say what slipped by, and that's what the old man's stick is for.

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signpost: keep your eastern spirituality away from me! one theory i have as to the collapse of the west is that the culture discovered india, and could no longer rationalise itself into action

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bwahaha

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I said even worse!

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it's definitely a mind-bomb.

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john woodroffe, "arthor avanxlon", single handedly wrapped up the whole europa project ha

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"arthur avalon"

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"wait, I can just make myself cum on demand?"

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I don't see what's demotivating about a composite self.

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there's all kinds of woo woo stuff in those texts

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not terribly familiar, was distinguishing the notion I was describing from tantric w/e

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and they wrote that woowoo all the while europe was trying to mathematics, so by the time two cultures met there was plenty of backlog "why live in hut, and cum on demand" instead of "city plumbing"

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say I recognize that this stuff rolling around in my head, which I refer to as myself, my knowledge, was the output of this beautiful machine.

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why doesn't my self-preservation urge extend to that machine?

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bumps into my motivation to participate in tmsr. it wasn't "hueee, this rich guy thinks I'm a lord"

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wait, what's the machine in this case? tmsr?

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w/e processes are running the nodes sending me useful packets. the most successful topology of these looks to be a republic.

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1094990

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Logged on 2022-04-11 10:59:31 phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-10#1094941 << i had a sepsis. as far as mp and best ambulance, de mortuis nil nisi bonum dicendum est

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I'm not speaking ill of the dead.

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no no i was going to comment on "why not preserve" republic, but necessarily requires to say some shit about mp :D

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isn't so much a point about tmsr, though this was my most intense, if brief, experience of such a culture.

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"why the hell don't we think of ourselves as nodes-with-*edges*" is maybe just an abstract restatement of the virtues of statesmanship, etc

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well that was what we wanted wot to be :>

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signpost still considers how to infect people with this notion, if nothing else.

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-16#1096280 Most any programmer on Github will pull some shit like that, signpost.

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Logged on 2022-04-16 16:47:06 signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-16#1096264 << moreover the novice uses "tee hee ponies" to deflect being evaluated by *others* seriously.

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oh sure, they all inflect their voices gay in the office too

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more or less *is* the california accent now.

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signpost bbl, errand

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-16#1096352 I'd rather ride horses because I like them, than that.

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Logged on 2022-04-16 18:06:28 phf: i'm going to ride horses, god damn it, because andrey balkonsky did, and i will ride it the way he did it, and i will thus hold myself to higher, unrealistic standards

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-16#1096355 Well, I'm not going to have a heart attack over it, for one.

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Logged on 2022-04-16 18:09:13 signpost: phf: how is this "I will hold myself to" distinguish itself from verisimilitude's autoeroticism?

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verisimilitude: and yet you don't. i have no interest in talking to you again.

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I'll ride a horse one day.

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god damn looser sniping other people's conversations with innane points, i don't understand asciilifeform how you tollerate this bullshit. if i wanted lainchan, i'd go there.

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Whatever; I'd prefer to discuss programming anyway. Have your conversations going in circles, forever.

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I'll concede my second message shouldn't've been submitted, phf.

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