00:00 |
phf |
signpost: i don't actually think that finding the point of eval is the problem. most people who even look smh magically find one. that's going back to the whole "on the path" thing |
00:01 |
signpost |
no, I mean who is this other you that acts upon you? |
00:01 |
phf |
i read some paper that implied that greek philosophy was mostly esoteric. teachings were supposed to be taken as a kind of transformative path, through which you work, over a lifetime, eventually getting to the same point as the author of th teaching |
00:02 |
signpost |
if this other you's inside the same head, that's at least interesting, and more complicated than "Hi, my name is Michael Trinque." |
00:02 |
signpost |
yes, zen's even worse, where what was written is a tool for exhausting the argumentative mind entirely, letting the other thing slip by. |
00:03 |
signpost |
then you try to say what slipped by, and that's what the old man's stick is for. |
00:03 |
phf |
signpost: keep your eastern spirituality away from me! one theory i have as to the collapse of the west is that the culture discovered india, and could no longer rationalise itself into action |
00:03 |
signpost |
bwahaha |
00:03 |
signpost |
I said even worse! |
00:03 |
signpost |
it's definitely a mind-bomb. |
00:05 |
phf |
john woodroffe, "arthor avanxlon", single handedly wrapped up the whole europa project ha |
00:05 |
phf |
"arthur avalon" |
00:05 |
signpost |
"wait, I can just make myself cum on demand?" |
00:06 |
signpost |
I don't see what's demotivating about a composite self. |
00:07 |
phf |
there's all kinds of woo woo stuff in those texts |
00:07 |
signpost |
not terribly familiar, was distinguishing the notion I was describing from tantric w/e |
00:08 |
phf |
and they wrote that woowoo all the while europe was trying to mathematics, so by the time two cultures met there was plenty of backlog "why live in hut, and cum on demand" instead of "city plumbing" |
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00:09 |
signpost |
say I recognize that this stuff rolling around in my head, which I refer to as myself, my knowledge, was the output of this beautiful machine. |
00:10 |
signpost |
why doesn't my self-preservation urge extend to that machine? |
00:10 |
signpost |
bumps into my motivation to participate in tmsr. it wasn't "hueee, this rich guy thinks I'm a lord" |
00:11 |
phf |
wait, what's the machine in this case? tmsr? |
00:13 |
signpost |
w/e processes are running the nodes sending me useful packets. the most successful topology of these looks to be a republic. |
00:14 |
phf |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1094990 |
00:14 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-11 10:59:31 phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-10#1094941 << i had a sepsis. as far as mp and best ambulance, de mortuis nil nisi bonum dicendum est |
00:14 |
signpost |
I'm not speaking ill of the dead. |
00:15 |
phf |
no no i was going to comment on "why not preserve" republic, but necessarily requires to say some shit about mp :D |
00:17 |
signpost |
isn't so much a point about tmsr, though this was my most intense, if brief, experience of such a culture. |
00:19 |
signpost |
"why the hell don't we think of ourselves as nodes-with-*edges*" is maybe just an abstract restatement of the virtues of statesmanship, etc |
00:20 |
phf |
well that was what we wanted wot to be :> |
00:21 |
* |
signpost still considers how to infect people with this notion, if nothing else. |
00:22 |
verisimilitude |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-16#1096280 Most any programmer on Github will pull some shit like that, signpost. |
00:22 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-16 16:47:06 signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-16#1096264 << moreover the novice uses "tee hee ponies" to deflect being evaluated by *others* seriously. |
00:22 |
signpost |
oh sure, they all inflect their voices gay in the office too |
00:23 |
signpost |
more or less *is* the california accent now. |
00:24 |
* |
signpost bbl, errand |
00:28 |
verisimilitude |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-16#1096352 I'd rather ride horses because I like them, than that. |
00:28 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-16 18:06:28 phf: i'm going to ride horses, god damn it, because andrey balkonsky did, and i will ride it the way he did it, and i will thus hold myself to higher, unrealistic standards |
00:29 |
verisimilitude |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-16#1096355 Well, I'm not going to have a heart attack over it, for one. |
00:29 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-16 18:09:13 signpost: phf: how is this "I will hold myself to" distinguish itself from verisimilitude's autoeroticism? |
00:31 |
phf |
verisimilitude: and yet you don't. i have no interest in talking to you again. |
00:35 |
verisimilitude |
I'll ride a horse one day. |
00:35 |
phf |
god damn looser sniping other people's conversations with innane points, i don't understand asciilifeform how you tollerate this bullshit. if i wanted lainchan, i'd go there. |
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00:36 |
verisimilitude |
Whatever; I'd prefer to discuss programming anyway. Have your conversations going in circles, forever. |
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01:39 |
verisimilitude |
I'll concede my second message shouldn't've been submitted, phf. |
01:40 |
verisimilitude |
Still, I'd like to see a real answer to that question, as well. |
01:53 |
signpost |
we discussed the answer to my question at length later in the thread. |
01:54 |
signpost |
rather, inquired into it. |
01:55 |
signpost |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-16#1096359 << if one needs a single line answer, it'd be this. |
01:55 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-16 18:12:25 phf: signpost: but that's easy, matthew 7:16 :D |
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03:36 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-16#1096348 << 'reverse cargocult'(tm)(r) -- 'there were no airplanes' |
03:36 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-16 18:03:24 phf: signpost: some of these stories we tell each other are myths, in the anthropological sense. my frustration is that of a little boy telling other little boy about magical pixie land just past the bend of the river, and getting back "it's all fairy tales, there's no magical pixie land" :p |
03:38 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-16#1096350 << afaik there were patrons (for whom brahms et al was a req'd component of tea ceremony, and some genuinely appreciated and even attempted to brahms w/ own hands) and there was brahms et al per se, who certainly not 'posed' but composed. |
03:38 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-16 18:05:17 phf: signpost: my choice is basically between hard realists for whom all high culture was a bunch of inbread posers if it existed at all, and high culture sycophants that just looooove brahms. i want more people to penetrate between those two, into the transcendental realm |
03:38 |
asciilifeform |
bach et al in fact created the instruments in their present form.. |
03:39 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-16#1096352 << a++, imho |
03:39 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-16 18:06:28 phf: i'm going to ride horses, god damn it, because andrey balkonsky did, and i will ride it the way he did it, and i will thus hold myself to higher, unrealistic standards |
03:39 |
asciilifeform |
ride horse. iirc signpost occasionally flies prop plane. |
03:40 |
* |
asciilifeform didn't yet buy plane, tho new pad is 5min walk from airstrip. 100 octane leaded petrol is ruinously costly , fly to next town and blow $1k.. |
03:41 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-16#1096369 << aaha, and typical destination is the reddit drain. |
03:41 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-16 18:17:59 phf: well, we're all over the place now. as far as "what makes a whole man", there's more to say: there's plenty of available blueprints to go by, even maybe a mixture of, but the problem is in my mind that the solipsists refuse to choose any, staying instead in this detached "all things are equal, and all things are equally stupid" kind of state |
03:46 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-16#1096473 << asciilifeform is an unapologetic 'baguette cruncher', was installing e.g. non-vinyl su-style wallpaper, non-mdf furnitures, etc. in new pad, lol |
03:46 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-16 19:39:05 phf: i'm afraid to continue with this line because i know it'll sound like aristocracy apologism. asci will pounce with his "the sound of breaking baguette" |
03:47 |
asciilifeform |
( quite a feat, incidentally, in current reich, to find these 'baguettes', req's moar legwork than dough ) |
03:48 |
asciilifeform |
'porche for folx who dun like leaving house' |
03:49 |
asciilifeform |
strictly because likes. 'civilization sim', in the 'flight sim' sense, strictly for own pleasure. |
03:50 |
asciilifeform |
( if could similarly simulate the actually operative aspect of aristocracy also, lol, the part where they didn't have to work.. if wishes were horses ) |
03:51 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-16#1096483 << heh, if mp had lived anuther decade.. |
03:51 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-16 19:44:32 phf: signpost: but also like where egotism? should we maybe define it? i took it to mean a reference to "classical music appreciators", which is one thing, but extending it to the point of "I, the Wrath of God will marry my own daughter and with her I will found the purest dynasty the earth has ever seen." takes it in a different direction |
03:54 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-16#1096551 << #a saloon dun have a door atm, is the crux of it. but in re verisimilitude in particular, imho is occasionally stimulating dervish, if e.g. terry davis were alive and tuned in, would prolly play similar part |
03:54 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-16 20:34:29 phf: god damn looser sniping other people's conversations with innane points, i don't understand asciilifeform how you tollerate this bullshit. if i wanted lainchan, i'd go there. |
03:54 |
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asciilifeform pictures the fella living in 'unabomber cabin' w/ sat dish or similar |
03:59 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-16#1096526 << over9000 funnily, the brahmins also 'tried to mathematics', in fact had almost all of the ffa algos! simply had nowhere to 'put it'. |
03:59 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-16 20:07:18 phf: and they wrote that woowoo all the while europe was trying to mathematics, so by the time two cultures met there was plenty of backlog "why live in hut, and cum on demand" instead of "city plumbing" |
04:00 |
asciilifeform |
e.g. g.boole would likely be remembered similarly, if digital comp had not been built. |
04:01 |
asciilifeform |
( or consider e.g. quaternions and the entire surrounding field, only a little of which ended up resurrected by the 3d graphics folx ) |
04:01 |
* |
asciilifeform was on 'quaternions kick' for a spell, there's a massive body of 'dead end lit' |
04:02 |
asciilifeform |
... or grassmann's algebra. |
04:03 |
asciilifeform |
signpost, phf : a++ thrd, deserves moar comment than asciilifeform has time, presently, to give |
04:03 |
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asciilifeform must bbl |
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07:05 |
mats |
https://archive.ph/Su3M7 |
07:08 |
mats |
circle has raised an incredible 840mn in less than a year |
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12:47 |
asciilifeform |
mats: a, 1 of these. btw how wouldja describe the diff b/w 'usd coin' and 'tether' ? |
12:48 |
asciilifeform |
( or simply a coke & pepsi pair ? ) |
12:49 |
asciilifeform |
$ticker btc usd |
12:49 |
busybot |
Current BTC price in USD: $40455.3 |
12:49 |
asciilifeform |
!w poll |
12:49 |
watchglass |
Polling 15 nodes... |
12:49 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=732274 |
12:49 |
watchglass |
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12:49 |
watchglass |
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12:49 |
watchglass |
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watchglass |
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12:49 |
watchglass |
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12:49 |
watchglass |
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12:49 |
watchglass |
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watchglass |
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12:49 |
watchglass |
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12:49 |
watchglass |
75.106.222.93:8333 : Could not connect! |
12:49 |
watchglass |
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12:49 |
watchglass |
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12:50 |
watchglass |
94.176.238.102:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! |
12:51 |
watchglass |
143.202.160.10:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.) |
12:58 |
asciilifeform |
meanwhile, in 'when physics was alive'. |
12:59 |
asciilifeform |
'One of them was Wilbur Perry, an engineer trained at WPI. Before he went to school he made a bunch of telescopes, and was a proud member of the Springfield Vermont telescope makers society, which still maintains a clubhouse. Let me emphasize the implications of this: a tiny town of a few thousand people had a telescope makers society at the turn of the century, when telescopes were still high technology, and they endo |
12:59 |
asciilifeform |
wed it well enough it is still physically there. That’s sort of like a small town of a few thousand people having its own privately owned MEMS fab in the 1990s when this became a more common technology.' |
13:00 |
asciilifeform |
'...To remove stress in the screw blanks, he had two garbage cans with inner cells, one for heat the other for dry ice, so he could stress relieve the screws before the finish cuts. He dipped them in what he called “tincture of skunk cabbage” (overheated Mazola corn oil at 400F, 100F) and “hobo cocktails” (dry ice and alcohol at 10, -60 and -100F). He did this stress relief cycle 50 times per screw.' |
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13:35 |
shinohai |
$ticker btc usd |
13:35 |
busybot |
Current BTC price in USD: $40405.72 |
13:35 |
shinohai |
No one sent me corn for my birthday, at this price I am disappoint. |
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16:48 |
mats |
asciilifeform: usdc is onshore, https://www.centre.io/usdc-transparency |
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16:49 |
phf |
another "scheme cpu" for sale https://www.rrauction.com/auctions/lot-detail/345627206349590-space-shuttle-flown-general-purpose-computer-cpu-and-iop-20-missions-/ |
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18:16 |
asciilifeform |
phf: iirc ibm360 clone, rather than anyffin scheme-related |
18:17 |
asciilifeform |
ref |
18:18 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-17#1096619 << 'works within US money transmission laws, uses established banks and auditors and runs on blockchain technology via smart contracts' lol |
18:18 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-17 12:47:11 mats: asciilifeform: usdc is onshore, https://www.centre.io/usdc-transparency |
18:19 |
asciilifeform |
all the clunkiness of ethertardium, plus all the permissionedness of regular old usd, 'what's not to luvv!!1' |
18:19 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-05-24 13:00:39 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-23#1037440 << reminds me of the czech tale where the princess asks about a suitor : 'is he young?' 'nope, he's old' 'is he at least kind?' 'no, he's the meanest old man alive' 'old and mean! ain't he the ideal groom!' |