#asciilifeform | 2021-09-22

01:20

Logged on 2021-09-21 17:26:15 jonsykkel: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2175#selection-1323.44-1339.1 << is not doubly redundant since Stack(SP) alredy guaranteed to be 0000000 after Push; + FZ_Random() overwrites Stack(SP)?

01:21

jonsykkel: the FZ_Clear(Stack(SP)) is only ~singularly~ redundant! and i'ma explain why included it

01:23

jonsykkel: let's suppose that, for whatever reason, FZ_Random(RNG, Stack(SP)) does ~not~ overwrite Stack(SP) with rngolade. (why not? dunno, dr.evil put a nop there via telepathy. or 'smart' os. or whatever.) wouldntcha rather have easily spottable, with naked eye, result of 0 for the '?' call ? vs 'random-looking' but equally-predictable stack soup.

01:25

jonsykkel: it is naturally impossible to write 'cosmic ray proof' software. but imho is in fact possible to write (and inexpensively) cosmic ray ~resistant~ softs.

01:25

where, if you cannot necessarily prevent a machine from misfiring, at least can make the consequences obvious to naked eye.

01:26

( most importantly -- to STOP the process and let the operator know that something went off the rails, and anything may've happened, incl. say privkeys leaking into plaintext or whatever calamity -- before consequences are irreversible )

01:28

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-21#1059019 << epic cocktail of facts, fantasies, outright schizo night meth rantage, 'goring the cape instead of matador' ('they took our trump', 'islam') , a++

01:28

Logged on 2021-09-21 17:42:55 billymg: https://anonsubversion.wordpress.com/2021/09/16/interview-with-anon-on-subversion/ (archived)

~ 47 minutes ~

02:16

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-21#1059020 << are you sure? was looking at a diffrent version of the source but unless im having a stroke the only place SP is modified is in zap push and drop - zap clears all the registers and drop clears the previous top item

02:16

Logged on 2021-09-21 21:20:40 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-21#1059018 << there is no such guarantee, jonsykkel ! 'Push' doesn't touch the contents of the stack. why didja think it did ?

02:25

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-21#1059023 << ah, makes sense. agree one should always be highly suspicious of calling into "other peoples code"

02:25

Logged on 2021-09-21 21:23:16 asciilifeform: jonsykkel: let's suppose that, for whatever reason, FZ_Random(RNG, Stack(SP)) does ~not~ overwrite Stack(SP) with rngolade. (why not? dunno, dr.evil put a nop there via telepathy. or 'smart' os. or whatever.) wouldntcha rather have easily spottable, with naked eye, result of 0 for the '?' call ? vs 'random-looking' but equally-predictable stack soup.

02:32

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-21#1059024 << should just start doing ones computing buisness on those triple redundancy systems

02:32

Logged on 2021-09-21 21:25:01 asciilifeform: jonsykkel: it is naturally impossible to write 'cosmic ray proof' software. but imho is in fact possible to write (and inexpensively) cosmic ray ~resistant~ softs.

~ 17 minutes ~

02:49

real evil/smart os would fill overwrite ur zero'd stack with random looking predictable soup

02:50

gates shud get on it asap

03:00

jonsykkel: the principal 'enemy' is actually moar mundane -- 'optimizing' compilers (which remove 'redundant') zeroizations. theoretically 'volatile' mark inhibits this behaviour, and it appears in the recent chapters where possible.

03:02

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-21#1059029 << this is correct. see, however, above. i'd much rather leave a redundant zeroization or 2 in a non-speed-critical routine, than 'oops i thought this gets 0'd somewhere but apparently nope'

03:02

Logged on 2021-09-21 22:16:41 jonsykkel: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-21#1059020 << are you sure? was looking at a diffrent version of the source but unless im having a stroke the only place SP is modified is in zap push and drop - zap clears all the registers and drop clears the previous top item

03:03

*

asciilifeform fucking hates 'cleverness', 'idiomatic c', and concretely the very psychotype of the people who perpetrate them.

03:03

(trilema) 2016-01-24 asciilifeform: riddle time:

03:04

safety-critical program (which is what ffa is) must be obvious in its function like fucking hammer.

03:05

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-21#1059033 << where to get this, without somehow getting into the iron biz again ?

03:05

Logged on 2021-09-21 22:32:02 jonsykkel: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-21#1059024 << should just start doing ones computing buisness on those triple redundancy systems

03:05

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-21#1059035 << a bit harder to hide this 'in the haystack' than simple nop.

03:05

Logged on 2021-09-21 22:49:56 jonsykkel: real evil/smart os would fill overwrite ur zero'd stack with random looking predictable soup

03:05

talking about 'optimizing' compilers - wonder if -O2 can possibly interfere with constant-timeness

03:06

jonsykkel: try it! o3 too

03:06

i expect somewhere there's gotta be a broken enuff compiler

03:06

ill do that, gonna test it on my inferior c ffatron as well

03:07

gonna have a bigger compiler selection at least

03:07

jonsykkel: use e.g. the test methodology from ch14.

03:08

( there's pre-baked tapes there, with different hamming weights )

03:10

excellent

03:10

jonsykkel: i know for a fact there are cpu archs where MUL aint constanttime. i haven't got one to test with, but did write an egyptian word-mul for use on these.

03:11

( activated/inactivated by HaveBarrelShifter knob in iron.ads )

03:13

jonsykkel: in april of '20 i also found a theoretical nonconstanttimeism if the peh state machine straddles a cache line -- because of how hex digits processed. fixed this with rewrite of digit eater (and placing it in the fallthrough of the state mach.) but not released that ch yet

03:14

interesting

03:14

cant do aligned alloc?

03:14

jonsykkel: not as a defined part of language nope

03:15

nor does compiler necessarily know the cache behaviour of where the thing'll run, lol

03:16

maybe tomorrow amd sells box where cache line is 1777 bytes strictly. somehow.

03:16

its very possible

03:16

Bit; Bit; Bit; Bit; Bit; Bit; Bit; Bit; << this is nice also

03:16

gotta stick to the basic two rules of constanttimeism. the hexdigit thing is obvious violation in retrospect.

03:17

jonsykkel: gnat doesn't unroll loops 'magically' ( picture if tried )

03:17

so yes, bit bit bit...

03:19

hehe

03:21

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-21#1059056 << err, nope, this was in re shifts lol

03:21

Logged on 2021-09-21 23:11:48 asciilifeform: ( activated/inactivated by HaveBarrelShifter knob in iron.ads )

03:21

sorry

03:22

currently mul_word defaults to iron mul, if you want egyptian gotta change manually.

03:22

*

asciilifeform oughta change this to cleaner knob a la the shifts, via 'renames' device

03:23

gotta make sure those knobs are clean

03:23

anyways the arch where this supposedly matters is iirc ppc32.

03:23

i don't have one anywhere, so have not tried.

03:24

if anyone does ( signpost ? ) plox to write in. (supposing there's even a working gnat for it..)

03:24

( there may be others, this is the only 1 i happen to recall )

~ 32 minutes ~

03:57

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-21#1059042 << agre. all programs to be used/read by human person shud be hammerlike both in function and interface

03:57

Logged on 2021-09-21 23:04:21 asciilifeform: safety-critical program (which is what ffa is) must be obvious in its function like fucking hammer.

03:57

jonsykkel: i suspect you'll get the intended meaning if think about it

03:57

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-21#1059043 << would like to know too

03:57

Logged on 2021-09-21 23:05:15 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-21#1059033 << where to get this, without somehow getting into the iron biz again ?

04:03

wouldnt be so sure im 2 dumb to think about stuff

04:03

at least 6oklok

~ 50 minutes ~

04:53

scoopbot

New post on A Syndication of Verisimilitudes: APL toki pona Elision

05:04

verisimilitude

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-19#1058661 Elaborate.

05:04

Logged on 2021-09-19 16:04:04 asciilifeform: i also specifically like the idea of a non-numbertheoretical basis for the signatures -- will make it considerably easier to implement in fpga for baking dedicated (hardware) line-rate prefilters.

~ 2 hours 50 minutes ~

07:54

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-21#1059019 << I read some of these "dissident right" folks on twitter, sometimes entertaining. "Every time we tried to expel the parasites in our society..." as if they aren't imagining the same socialism they live under.

↖ ↖

07:54

Logged on 2021-09-21 17:42:55 billymg: https://anonsubversion.wordpress.com/2021/09/16/interview-with-anon-on-subversion/ (archived)

07:59

"This is hardly BAPtist" << they really love Bronze Age Pervert, who turns out is american academic that pretends to write English like someone from Balkans

↖ ↖

~ 16 minutes ~

08:16

megalol "What does supercharging the Bible look like? Is it simply a process of decuckification, or is it something more specific, which can potentially unlock the latent crusader energy calcified in the West’s foundational tome? "

08:17

"Once someone finds me a Bible that isn’t fake/gay and is a reasonably accurate translation, I want to do a close reading of it" << maybe he should learn greek

08:21

hobo-optimization, yes, so much preferable than having job "Once I realized that being homeless was preferable to working a dead end jobs, I resolved to find the easiest place to be a hobo and to be the best hobo I could be."

~ 1 hours 29 minutes ~

09:51

https://twitter.com/wu_wenyuan/status/1440470971245162509 Harmful research practices: Objectivity and Rigor

~ 37 minutes ~

10:28

"4.2.2. Receiving a Direct Message. If Speaker is not in H, the console will display the Speaker, followed by the entirety of H (in parentheses), followed by the Text: bob (shalmaneser): hello"

10:28

why do we want direct messages from bob to be coming from shalmaneser?

10:29

"Let H be the set of all handles found in the station's WOT for the peer who was found to have sent the packet; e.g. {shalmaneser, ShalmaneserTheGreat}."

10:30

does this mean having multiple handles for single peer? if yes, why?

~ 3 hours 56 minutes ~

14:27

punkman: both of these is so that it is possible for a peer to change handles (from the one under which you initially added him to your wot)

14:28

exactly as was always possible on irc. simply here requires special handling, otherwise everyone is perma-stuck with one handle, to individually ask every peer at the same time to change (and during said switchover, for messages to be lost) is impractical

14:29

so yes it is possible for shalmaneser to direct-message you as 'bob' -- console will simply indicate that he's using an alt handle

14:29

and likewise it is necessary to permit multiple handles for one peer key, for this reason.

14:32

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059087 << see e.g..

14:32

Logged on 2021-09-22 01:04:03 verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-19#1058661 Elaborate.

14:32

Logged on 2020-05-10 22:51:01 asciilifeform: ( i couldn't find fpga that'd hold a 4096b barrel shifter for any amt of money )

14:32

Logged on 2020-01-20 20:03:12 asciilifeform: mike_c: the 'holy grail' still would be an iron which can 4096bit rsa 'at line rate' (1G/s) , but this is as i understand impossible w/out baking silicon.

14:38

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059089 << rather lulzy to read 'they milk us, cows' from fella who, chances are, neither produced any such 'exportable milk' at any point nor met anyone who does

14:38

Logged on 2021-09-22 03:54:35 punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-21#1059019 << I read some of these "dissident right" folks on twitter, sometimes entertaining. "Every time we tried to expel the parasites in our society..." as if they aren't imagining the same socialism they live under.

14:40

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059091 << the 2-3 times asciilifeform tried to read 'bap', bored to death and garbagecollected. but given how vigorously he's pushed, can only assume is a tame zhirinovskian dissent-pet of the reich

14:40

Logged on 2021-09-22 03:59:13 punkman: "This is hardly BAPtist" << they really love Bronze Age Pervert, who turns out is american academic that pretends to write English like someone from Balkans

14:44

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059092 << ftr last century's wankers stood a head taller, the scandinavian gods imho over9000x less repulsive than the 'faggot halfling god on a stick'(tm)(r)(uncle al schwartz)

14:44

Logged on 2021-09-22 04:16:00 punkman: megalol "What does supercharging the Bible look like? Is it simply a process of decuckification, or is it something more specific, which can potentially unlock the latent crusader energy calcified in the West’s foundational tome? "

14:45

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059094 << asciilifeform doesn't eat lsd, and so does not often experience 'synaesthesia', but almost seemed to ~smell~ the hobo from reading that piece, it was astonishing

14:45

Logged on 2021-09-22 04:21:10 punkman: hobo-optimization, yes, so much preferable than having job "Once I realized that being homeless was preferable to working a dead end jobs, I resolved to find the easiest place to be a hobo and to be the best hobo I could be."

14:46

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059095 << irigaray did it better in 1980s!111

14:46

Logged on 2021-09-22 05:51:02 punkman: https://twitter.com/wu_wenyuan/status/1440470971245162509 Harmful research practices: Objectivity and Rigor

14:46

is interesting, these folx can't even come up with new trolololz a la 'privileged speed of light'

14:48

$ticker btc usd

14:48

busybot

Current BTC price in USD: $42468.32

14:48

!w poll

14:48

Polling 17 nodes...

14:48

185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect!

14:48

84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect!

14:48

185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!

14:48

205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.022s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=701695 (Operator: asciilifeform)

14:48

205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=701695

14:48

71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.031s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=701695 (Operator: asciilifeform)

14:49

54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.110s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=701695

14:49

205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.141s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=701695

14:49

205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.141s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=701695

14:49

208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.159s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=701695

14:49

205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.144s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=701695 (Operator: whaack)

14:49

143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.234s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=701695

14:49

54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.321s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=701695

14:49

213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.335s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=701695

14:49

103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.608s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=701695

14:49

176.9.59.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov)

14:50

192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)

14:50

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-21#1059027 << i found it to be a delightfully schizo, wandering rant. i also enjoyed reading Bronze Age Mindset so perhaps i just like the stream of consciousness style

14:50

Logged on 2021-09-21 21:28:43 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-21#1059019 << epic cocktail of facts, fantasies, outright schizo night meth rantage, 'goring the cape instead of matador' ('they took our trump', 'islam') , a++

14:51

billymg: was a++ entertaining.

14:51

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059089 << idk, he also explicitly states: "Any restoration that is centralized and can’t be appropriated for decentralization isn’t a restoration, it’s just nourishing and reinforcing a system that is wounded and bleeding out so it can feed on us better the next time they seize power again."

14:51

Logged on 2021-09-22 03:54:35 punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-21#1059019 << I read some of these "dissident right" folks on twitter, sometimes entertaining. "Every time we tried to expel the parasites in our society..." as if they aren't imagining the same socialism they live under.

14:52

imho a rather complete showcase of why fungi ate their magaworld.

14:52

so seems to understand that longterm any solution must be decentralized in nature so that parasites have less host surface area to grow in

14:54

i also thought the "larp as a tranny" opening was pretty funny and look forward to reading articles about court cases of individuals who tried this

14:54

i recall a fella who wanted to build a gigantic orbiting magnifying glass and incinerate his enemies. he had a more actionable, moar realistic, and certainly moar interesting to contemplate 'plan' than the 'right dissent' folx, imho.

14:56

billymg: re 'larp' -- is interesting how the hobo is thoroughly unable (and rather typical of 'anglotards' in this) to 'distinguish the matador and the cape'

14:57

almost as if he thinks there's a fat pension waiting for him if only 'registered tranny' or whatnot

14:58

asciilifeform: ah, i interpreted more as a slow play. first plausibly become tranny, then acquire sinecure, then while there torment the bugmen, maybe get a few of them fired

14:59

only for those committed and nothing else to do

14:59

with* nothing else to do

14:59

billymg: i'ma also admit to a skepticism that, when he says e.g. 'decentralized', has any idea what the word means, rather than 'suggestively-named lisp token'(tm)(r)

15:01

billymg: unless i misread, d00d actually thinks there's a usg sinecure waiting for erry Officially Sad who simply fills out the proper form.

15:02

and, hilariously, the converse; lessee:

15:02

'Currently the job market is such that you can’t get a corporate job, get promoted, avoid firing, or get a raise as a cisgender heterosexual White man. You can however get all of these goodies if you change your gender, maybe adopt a new name and try the latest “80’s Goth or Taliban?” fashions in eyeliner.'

15:02

didjaknow.

15:03

asciilifeform: yeah, afaics recruiters still hitting up cis hetero white men

15:04

asciilifeform: but i didn't interpret his strategy to mean simply where dress and then collect gibs, but rather, "you're gonna have to go deep undercover" (i.e. real work will be involved -- must actually secure job, etc.)

15:04

asciilifeform: i can say from first hand experience that those further down the "weird scale" are much harder to fire

15:05

billymg: they also typically live on secretute wage but i suppose for hobo this is step ~up~

15:05

and because of this they can, once in the organization, get by with less competence/effort than the cis hetero counterparts

15:07

billymg: damn near errybody, starting with mp, insisted to asciilifeform that this hell-world exists. and perhaps somewhere it does, but i've not personally roasted in it, tho have rotted in many other kinds

15:07

d'oh, s/where dress/wear dress/ in above

15:07

may be a west-usa thing, nfi

15:07

asciilifeform: it's in the faceberg/google type campuses

15:09

here in east usa we more typically have ossified bureaucracies (both officially and unofficially usgtronic, and still run entirely by 'white man' despite whatever lulzpretense) and even occasional micro-indias where the staff even replicated the old caste system without skipping a beat.

15:12

asciilifeform: it's also the actually competent (typically men, typically white, jewish, asian, and sometimes indian) that keep the trains running in the "silicon valley" orgs (both east and west coast)

15:12

billymg: i find it mind-boggling that the people who 'ohnoez, purple-trans-disabled secretute gets by without competence!' say exactly 0 against the yale grad ceo and his board of lunch eaters who also 'get by' similarly but with over9000x budget

15:13

(and actually run the shop into the ground, unlike the secretutes who decide nuffin)

15:13

but they also seem to have sufficient slack budget for hiring the various weirdos as, idk, political statment?

15:13

billymg: y'know how fungi grow on aids patients.

15:14

i've seen some suggest that this creates larger moat for the google-sized companies. they can afford to have 100 people who don't do anything but tweet about diversity all day, but if 5 man startup makes one bad hire it can be the death of them

15:16

asciilifeform: re: the yale parasites, agree, they're parasites just the same

15:16

billymg: the other thing no one seems to discuss, is that 'as above, so below' : the 'startups' have equally little to do with anything 1800s civilized man would have considered 'production' as google and microshit

15:16

no one needs the js soup.

15:18

google's search is as 'needed' as dr.goebbels's broadcasts.

15:18

ditto the 'startup' imitators of the same crud.

15:18

asciilifeform: no argument there

15:22

also re: parasites at top and bottom of org, if the plan is to subvert and do damage (or at least drain resources), much easier to larp as a tranny than larp as yacht club yale graduate

15:23

i think what BAP and this guy are going for is a way to mobilize the "normies" against the enemy

15:25

a way for even the retards to be able to say "i'm doing my part", and have it actually be effective

15:25

because after all, this is 100% what the regime does, mobilizes the normies

15:32

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059154 << the reason why the "decentralized" branding matters is not for asciilifeform or others who are able to evaluate whether something is truly decentralized or not or to what degree, it's so that this group has an easy to remember/repeat mantra of "decentralized good, centralized bad"

15:32

Logged on 2021-09-22 10:59:56 asciilifeform: billymg: i'ma also admit to a skepticism that, when he says e.g. 'decentralized', has any idea what the word means, rather than 'suggestively-named lisp token'(tm)(r)

15:32

Logged on 2021-09-11 23:45:16 billymg: asciilifeform: there is a large group on twitter that is downright religious about "must store own btc priv keys or else you're a cuck"

15:33

again which is about mobilizing and directing the herd

~ 30 minutes ~

16:03

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059151 << becoming "plausible tranny", they can tell if you are doing it for the lulz, and if they can't , you are actually a tranny

16:03

Logged on 2021-09-22 10:58:56 billymg: asciilifeform: ah, i interpreted more as a slow play. first plausibly become tranny, then acquire sinecure, then while there torment the bugmen, maybe get a few of them fired

16:04

"They just think I'm a tranny, my authentic self is CHRISTIAN CRUSADER WARRIOR OF THE STEPPE"

16:11

they derp about aesthetics all the time, then come out with such "ideas", "yeah start antifa chapter" "become tranny", "live like hobo"

16:13

a lot of them are really pissy if you say anything bad about US, "yes we have problems, but AMERICA IS NUMBAR ONE!!!"

16:15

oh yeah that guy moved to thailand? he's a traitor and a perver sex tourist, why would you leave the US???

16:19

punkman: i don't think there's a 100% aligned morality on the right re: sex. some larp as no-sex-till-marriage trads, others, like this guy, say go spread your seed in the brown qts

16:20

i also think perhaps you're underestimating just how many NEETs there are with nothing else to do and who hate the regime enough that they'd be willing method act as a tranny if it means doing some damage

16:21

again, this stuff isn't for the folx working on pest and trb, it's for the would-be soldiers among the masses

16:23

my argument is that "pretending to be a tranny" and "subterfuge from within" will never work for any "masses". very few could pull off, if at all. there is no "strategy" in this. you know what works? being the "colonizer".

16:24

whole lot simpler

16:24

punkman: what means being the colonizer in this case?

16:26

he has a bit in there "maybe we could take their women and make harem and have them pay for our kids", that'd be some colonizing

16:26

ah, yup

16:27

or you go to Thailand, fuck the brown qts over there

16:28

punkman: right, also good

16:29

punkman: what i think i liked about it was how just how much he was throwing at the wall, he even describes the strategy as a meta strategy, just do anything and everything to see what works

16:29

yeah such "strategy", this throw shit at the wall

16:29

it's what the left has been doing (the lower rungs)

16:30

"hey let's try gays" "that's not doing it anymore, how about blacks?" "not quite enough, how about tranny-black-lesbians overdosing on drugs?"

16:31

it's what they themselves term "intersectionality"

16:31

or "one struggle"

16:32

the sad thing is that some folks over here are trying to do their own "dissident right", and they are copying everything from their US counterparts, much like the local "left/woke". We barely have any trannies, they will latch on to anything in the news to make their points.

16:33

and if lack of local news, they will just talk about US news instead. "look at black crime rate in USA, maybe same happens here"

16:33

"they murdered george floyd!"

16:35

in EU megalulz https://www.ekathimerini.com/economy/1168333/southern-european-banks-set-for-climate-hit-ecb-study-shows/

16:41

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059206 << just to clarify, i think it's a terrible strategy when you have limited resources, however, i think this *can* be a good strategy when you have ~infinite resources (the mass of normies). it's not about how to allocate punkman's time, but the NEET masses not doing anything else

16:41

Logged on 2021-09-22 12:29:47 punkman: yeah such "strategy", this throw shit at the wall

16:43

"The ECB has run simulations on more than 1,600 eurozone banks to find out how they would cope with the consequences of climate change" "It found that the probability of default on bank loans would increase by 7% over the next 30 years in a 'hot house scenario' in which nothing is done to limit climate change." LOL

16:44

itsallsotiresome.jpg

~ 30 minutes ~

17:14

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059196 << in '90s, as the last remnants of 'maga country' were being offshored into sad meth-cum-morphinist obsolescence, there was a similar 'nothing else to do, hate the regime, join 'militia''. i.e. usg honeypots, filled the fbi-showtrial-supermax pipeline a++.

17:14

Logged on 2021-09-22 12:20:00 billymg: i also think perhaps you're underestimating just how many NEETs there are with nothing else to do and who hate the regime enough that they'd be willing method act as a tranny if it means doing some damage

17:16

was domestic application of 'controlled chaos' lizard doctrine that worked a++ in afganistan, syria, etc. -- 'obsolete' young men, 'nothing to do', join mujahedeen/isis/$usg-muppet-org-of-the-day, put on shaheed belt, explode where instructed to by handler-provocateur.

↖ ↖

17:16

sheeple scared shitless, compliant.

17:17

at absolutely no point does the notion of killing the actual culprits behind the 'obsolescence' occur to them. why -- remains mystery.

17:20

( i suppose not such 'mystery' after all, given how gullible meathead 'gores the cape' -- 'grr those purple-hair trannnies' etc -- artfully avoids matador )

17:23

interesting how utterly unthinkable the ~correct~ solution (rm -rf the rotten elite) is to 100% of these 'right'-flavoured folx.

17:23

take the spandrell idiocy linked from the hobo piece, where :

17:24

shinohai

asciilifeform: You forgot the `--no-preserve-root` flag.

17:24

lol

17:25

anyway, the one where e.g. 'What did Lenin do? Exterminate the natural aristocracy of Russia ... Everybody but intelligent, conservative Russians of good families... ' etc

17:25

almost hard to hear him over the sound of the feudal-fellatio

17:26

mouth so full of cock, of... corpses, killed by own intractable stupidity

17:39

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059182 << their offered concept of 'the enemy' i find has exactly 0 to do with reality. 100% cape/bait.

17:39

Logged on 2021-09-22 11:23:55 billymg: i think what BAP and this guy are going for is a way to mobilize the "normies" against the enemy

17:40

given as the ~actual~ enemy are the very same 'good families' whose supposed dethronement they lament and under whose supposedly-enlightened rule their grandfathers' lives supposedly didn't suck.

17:42

( tip for these folx : yer grandfather got 8hr workday, a house w/ 10 acres that cost 3y of his pay as a mechanic, and the latest tech -- which actually progressed -- because ~the lizards were still afraid~ of him. because he made it back from the front and killing was not sumthing exotic to him. )

~ 47 minutes ~

18:30

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059223 << well, 1) if it does occur to someone to do this, they wouldn't mention it online as that would be "fedposting" and 2) you make it sound like these culprits are just hanging out at starbucks all day rather than their guarded fortresses

18:30

Logged on 2021-09-22 13:17:59 asciilifeform: at absolutely no point does the notion of killing the actual culprits behind the 'obsolescence' occur to them. why -- remains mystery.

18:32

there is no "walk up to culprit", they live and travel within guarded bubble

18:32

bubbles*

18:33

and lastly, i don't see how "hey kid, wanna google soros' home address?" is any less of a honeypot than "hey kid, wanna join a militia?"

~ 19 minutes ~

18:53

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059221 << arguably didn't work well for stated purpose, taliban won, assad still standing

18:53

Logged on 2021-09-22 13:16:22 asciilifeform: was domestic application of 'controlled chaos' lizard doctrine that worked a++ in afganistan, syria, etc. -- 'obsolete' young men, 'nothing to do', join mujahedeen/isis/$usg-muppet-org-of-the-day, put on shaheed belt, explode where instructed to by handler-provocateur.

18:53

worked a++ for Lockheed though

18:56

punkman: stated purpose naturally a laff. the underlying purpose however is not simply to feed lockheed, but to prevent formation of genuine resistance to reich

18:57

let instead orcs fight over planeloads of cia-'abandoned' benjies and roll one another with similarly-'abandoned' tanks -- a++

19:01

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059238 << long before anyone will succeed in drawing a bead on hitler -- gotta kill 'policeman in your head'. for instance, to spit out the 'anticommunist' programming and understand that rent and usury are thefts

19:01

Logged on 2021-09-22 14:32:31 billymg: there is no "walk up to culprit", they live and travel within guarded bubble

19:02

to spit out the 'how will we maga so we can pay our mortgages' to 'how to put an end to mortgagism' etc

19:03

stop serving in reich's army, in police.

19:03

Logged on 2021-08-26 16:15:43 asciilifeform: this is why asciilifeform unable historically to muster much sympathy for 'iraq veteran, his bonus retro-withdrawn, evicted' -- motherfuckers, you could have, should have, shot 1) your officers 2) your landlord 3) anything with a harvard diploma -- half century ago. but no, gotta faithful-dog instead.

19:04

at the very least stop borrowing money. it aint an arrestable offense yet, even in the heart of the reich.

19:06

can stop respecting 'ivy grads', buying their 'books', listening to 'experts'. this also not yet arrestable, and costs 0.

19:06

stop buying plasticars that cost what ferrari cost in 1990.

19:07

all of this entirely doable, and does not require to eat bullets from 1st ss panzer leibstandarte soros.

19:08

the other thing that's entirely 0cost, is to stop quaking in fear of imaginary monsters played by (cheap!) unemployed sad sacks. e.g. 'trannies' and the other demons from linked piece.

19:11

desk flyers can stop working for sv corps any time they like. the fat pay is imaginary after subtracting rents, but -- i have nfi what drugs they take for this -- none of'em notice

19:11

stop contributing to faux 'political parties'. could go on, but why.

19:12

looong list of 0cost (and often enuff -- obviously profitable) 'stops' available.

19:16

stop listening to 'experts'. this also not yet arrestable << arrestable now

~ 30 minutes ~

19:46

punkman: hm?

19:52

( see also thread, incidentally )

19:52

Logged on 2021-07-13 14:00:23 asciilifeform: classic production of the ministry of 'you, idjit plebes, will wank to death about $constructed_fake_issue while we brrrr with moneyprinter and give it to ourselves!'

19:56

textbook reich sleight of hand misdirection -- 'ohnoez, vaccine side effects' but somehow not ohnoez that 1) 1e11+$ directly into coffers of pfizer et al 2) that was printed freshly for the purpose, as well as for similar 'bailouts' 3) then immediately dropped into realestate pump for planned mass impoverishment

19:56

Logged on 2021-07-13 14:35:50 asciilifeform: why, for instance, 'real estate up 2x' ? was there a ww2? destroyed 50% of houses in usa? no. was there mass migration, suddenly 2x as many people bidding? also no. which leaves #3 -- doubled monetary mass.

19:57

but somehow it's about ohnoez-sideffects.

19:57

( which no one would dare to avoid, apparently, by, say, forging the handwritten scrap of paper that comes with the thing. cuz That Would Be Wrong? or wat )

19:58

the very same tards who to a man had high quality fake driver's license at 19yo so as to drink (in usa 'must 21')

20:00

aaand somehow one is not supposed to notice that 'antivax' fucktards looong pre-date the covidiocy...

20:00

(trilema) 2016-01-09 asciilifeform: phun phakt: the 'antivax' hippie folk won in usa west coast. where there are now pandemics of crippling nasties (rubella, etc) last seen in 1940s

20:00

(trilema) 2019-01-16 asciilifeform: trinque: even in BingoBoingostan , asciilifeform had a hell of a time drinking from 'the mumps cup' to the terrified faces of onlookers

20:00

that the wankage was engineered for'em, also is a 'terrorist' thing to notice.

20:01

matador's cape.

20:01

speaking of which, whatever happened to '5g mind control rays' ?

20:02

weren't these supposed to push updates to the win10 professional edition the vaccine installs in yer hippocampus??

20:02

why no one burns towers anymoar for yr+ nao?!

20:03

couldn't be that the crankbait nonsense turned off like a fucking light as soon as off switch flipped ?

20:03

(trilema) 2016-11-22 asciilifeform: aka crankbait.

~ 1 hours 3 minutes ~

21:07

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059266 << can only get vaccine in hospital/vaxx-center here, and it goes into gov database connected to app

21:07

Logged on 2021-09-22 15:57:46 asciilifeform: ( which no one would dare to avoid, apparently, by, say, forging the handwritten scrap of paper that comes with the thing. cuz That Would Be Wrong? or wat )

21:07

but they are saying they might allow private doctors do it, which would somewhat solve problem

21:08

punkman: and no one takes bribe at the center? or wat

21:08

they caught some people vaccinating people at their center, people that lived in different city

21:14

the tests are also great scam, unvaxxed need 2 tests a week, costs 80 cents, they sell it for 10eur

21:15