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00:00 crtdaydreams it's interesting, they've managed to lock hashrate so miners can't use the card
00:01 asciilifeform crtdaydreams: iirc was cracked month or so after release
00:01 crtdaydreams really?
00:01 crtdaydreams might try and find the crack, wonder about the possibility of bricking
00:01 asciilifeform crtdaydreams: thread
00:01 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-20 11:18:22 asciilifeform: punkman: cracked less than month later
00:02 crtdaydreams oh wow ok
00:02 crtdaydreams I'm on rev. 1 board, so it's possible it might work
00:04 crtdaydreams dun really have a use for it though
00:08 crtdaydreams asciilifeform: you reckon it'd be alright to USE="-cmake -llvm" and I won't have much trouble?
00:08 * crtdaydreams because ofc cmake + llvm are deps for nvidia binturd
00:10 asciilifeform crtdaydreams: i've genuinely nfi re latest board. had a nvs450, it used straight binturd (not via portage)
00:10 asciilifeform (on another box had nvs510, and ditto)
00:11 crtdaydreams asciilifeform: ah. hm. it might be forced deps in portage (even tho they're not actually req'd for driver to work)
00:12 signpost go read the ebuild; it's just a text file.
00:12 signpost no reason to treat those as behind the mysterious curtain.
00:14 thimbronion Some "stablecoin" is currently at .79 usd
00:16 asciilifeform lol!
00:16 signpost aw come on; that's a c+
00:16 crtdaydreams signpost: re ebuild; gotta wait for compilation to finish lol
00:17 signpost how do you figure looking at the contents of that file will do anything to whatever you're building?
00:18 crtdaydreams signpost: huh? wdym? well I could modify it to remove irrelevant deps.
00:18 crtdaydreams no?
00:18 crtdaydreams mebbe I misunderstand something.
00:18 signpost yes, the part where I said read.
00:19 crtdaydreams eeehhhh, then i gotta depclean and back at square one
00:19 crtdaydreams even then, it might not work
00:19 signpost I have zero fucking idea what you're talking about, bud.
00:19 signpost vi -p /var/db/repos/gentoo/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers/nvidia-drivers-*.ebuild
00:20 thimbronion backed by a shitcoin currently down 49%
00:20 signpost thimbronion: the non-asciilifeform cardano is also about to launch an algorithmic shitcoin iirc
00:20 crtdaydreams signpost: I was doing that. C-c'd my build, reading nao
00:25 signpost crtdaydreams: emerge -ta nvidia-drivers
00:25 signpost the tree flag should make it clear why the thing wants rust or w/e
00:28 signpost might need --emptytree also for the full picture
00:28 signpost looks like maybe rtkit -> polkit -> spidermonkey -> rust
00:29 crtdaydreams would be ideal if I could install nvidia drivers w/ out polkit
00:29 crtdaydreams or rtkit or any rubbish
00:29 crtdaydreams would it be fine to modifiy the ebuild to get rid of the crap, or is that most likely to break things?
00:30 signpost this ebuild just installs their binwad. I would probably instead go get the thing from and see what their installer bitches about, if anything
00:30 signpost when you get tired of things changing out from under you, go get asciilifeform's dulap for a gentoo, or help us get X onto pentacle.
00:32 crtdaydreams ^ I was going of billmg's guide which is a softcore dulap, so I've got parts of the config like package.mask/crapolade, etc. I'll end up going through the tarball at some point
00:32 signpost ah cool, so that is dulap.
00:32 * signpost bbl, bike ride
00:33 billymg crtdaydreams: what do you plan on doing with a 3060 other than gayming? (not that there's anything wrong with that). and if gaming, what do you care what OS it's on?
00:33 crtdaydreams billymg: AI
00:34 signpost fwiw on my 3090 box I just run bleeding edge gentoo. it's a nintendo, runs steam.
00:34 billymg ^ exactly
00:35 crtdaydreams I dunno if I'll play games, I lost enjoyment in those things a while back and I haven't really *played* any in >1.5yr
00:35 billymg crtdaydreams: when i first got here i similarly stumbled trying to go down this path of "want latest and greatest, but also hygienic" -- was quickly told by several people here that the best approach is really just separate boxes for separate applications
00:36 crtdaydreams billymg: yeah, I've mostly gathered. I would like to know if (and why) there is anything against virtualization?
00:36 billymg even asciilifeform admits (or once admitted) to using crapple
00:36 bitbot (trilema) 2018-02-02 asciilifeform: phunphakt, ~halfthetime asciilifeform is on an icraptoy of whatever kind
00:36 crtdaydreams I.e. KVM, QEMU, etc, (none of that virtualbox crap)
00:37 billymg see also "toilet box"
00:39 crtdaydreams ftr would like to say I have nothing against gayming, I just feel bad playing em.
00:39 billymg crtdaydreams: can't say re: virtualization
00:40 crtdaydreams I might be able to turn a pi3b i've had shelved for enternity into a toilet box
00:40 crtdaydreams but as it stands, all my machines are 'toilet boxes'
00:41 crtdaydreams would also like to mention that I have been thinking about logotron, and I think I've determined the point that one can consider proggy "finished"
00:43 * billymg has also been having fun lately going down the emulation gaming rabbit hole, currently with "dolphin" (gamecube/wii emulation) and pcsx2 (ps2). great way to get a large library of games on linux
00:43 crtdaydreams contextual search; logs parsed realtime by NLP and metadata attached, then one can search logs through different scopes.
00:44 billymg crtdaydreams: have you stood one up yet?
00:44 billymg even if just locally
00:44 crtdaydreams billymg: nah, that's just a thought.
00:45 crtdaydreams I have a few projects I'm committed to I need to finish first.
00:45 crtdaydreams one is proverbial
00:46 crtdaydreams one is proverbial 'fountain of fiatola' and moar quality-of-life things
00:46 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-11 03:30:39 crtdaydreams: I admit I have been working towards a potential ``fountain of fiatola'' but like all investments, it takes a pretty hefty initial investment.
00:47 crtdaydreams I'll be writing about it on mah blog when I've got something "working"
00:48 crtdaydreams also re: emulation, have you played with hardware emu, i.e. fpga?
00:48 crtdaydreams for things like z80, scheme-cpu etc.
00:50 billymg crtdaydreams: no, have not
00:51 crtdaydreams billymg: ack. also sorry, I don't mean to ramble, just get excited about these things.
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01:44 verisimilitude I use dedicated game consoles when I play video games I didn't also create. It's great: I put the game in, turn it on, and it fucking plays the game and nothing else.
01:46 verisimilitude One of the few things computers usually do about as well as they should is play video games, but that's more disheartening than anything.
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03:16 whaack !w poll
03:16 watchglass Polling 15 nodes...
03:16 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.112s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=735687
03:16 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.128s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=735687
03:16 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.153s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=735687 (Operator: asciilifeform)
03:16 watchglass : Alive: (0.143s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=735687
03:16 watchglass : Alive: (0.148s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr= Blocks=735687 (Operator: whaack)
03:16 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.249s) V=88888 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=735687
03:17 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.316s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=735571
03:17 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.397s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=735571
03:17 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.622s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=735687
03:17 watchglass : Alive: (0.145s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=735687 (Operator: asciilifeform)
03:17 watchglass : Alive: (0.442s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=735687
03:17 watchglass : Alive: (0.167s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr= Blocks=588189 (Operator: whaack)
03:17 whaack trb a few blocks/hours behind heathen nodes again
03:18 watchglass : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
03:18 watchglass : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
03:18 watchglass : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
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03:51 billymg 1 2 3 4: bitcoind 0775cb2ccc737e224806beeb4978bff59ca0db6f2be7b55c03d08efefb055859 installed.
03:51 bitbot Logged on 2022-05-07 01:29:22 signpost: bitcoind 0775cb2ccc737e224806beeb4978bff59ca0db6f2be7b55c03d08efefb055859 installed. << got this after adding "| sort" and doing /src/pbuild install bitcoind --nodeps --rebuild
03:51 bitbot Logged on 2022-05-07 01:47:30 shinohai: bitcoind 0775cb2ccc737e224806beeb4978bff59ca0db6f2be7b55c03d08efefb055859 installed.
03:51 bitbot Logged on 2022-05-07 01:51:09 thimbronion: With the sort change: bitcoind 0775cb2ccc737e224806beeb4978bff59ca0db6f2be7b55c03d08efefb055859 installed.
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04:11 crtdaydreams alright, so I managed to get shell. turns out it was framebuffer support in the kernel config that needed enabling
04:12 crtdaydreams now I'm trying to do something a tad unorthodox, but I see no reason why it's not possible
04:13 crtdaydreams my gpu lacks a dvi port, and instead of buying a dongle I'm trying to "passthrough" the X display I/O from my GPU I/O to the motherboard
04:14 crtdaydreams I've actually gone ahead and disabled the integrated graphics on the motherboard, so proof that it works (at least with GNU screen) is in that I get shell through the motherboard port.
04:15 crtdaydreams that shell is being rendered on the GPU (as far as I can tell, it's not possible otherwise.)
04:16 crtdaydreams Which means that it works. (It works on windows, so can't see why it won't work on *nix)
04:16 signpost billymg: woohoo!
04:16 billymg the easiest build of bitcoind yet
04:17 crtdaydreams But I'm having a hard time describing it to google.
04:18 crtdaydreams billymg: signpost: congrats!
04:18 crtdaydreams signpost: would like some clarification on exactly *what* pentacle is? Is it a package manager? A "distro"? An addon for Gentoo?
04:23 signpost I'll get a writeup soon, but "v-tronic distro" is about right.
04:32 signpost among other things, I wanted to solve ease of building and deploying republican works.
04:34 crtdaydreams oh ok. so, it's like emerge w/ extra steps? (i.e. forced gpg verification and wot integration)
04:34 signpost it's a much smaller item than emerge
04:35 crtdaydreams what's it written in?
04:35 signpost shell script. as little as possible.
04:36 crtdaydreams specifically bash standard or is it more portable than that?
04:36 signpost busybox's "ash" actually.
04:37 crtdaydreams oh hmm
04:38 crtdaydreams very cool
04:38 signpost the intent is to build outward from nothing, bringing in only what is absolutely required to first, build the compiler itself, then whichever items members of the wot deem via V.
04:39 signpost post will elaborate, and give another intro to some of the underlying ideology.
04:39 crtdaydreams mhm, will be hanging out for that
04:40 crtdaydreams if you'll excuse me, I just got root access after having to re-chroot to add to wheel. :/ will nao continue with final config and getting dwm running :D
04:41 crtdaydreams billymg: If you're still interested in refining your article, I can compile a small list of some hoops I had to jump through
04:41 signpost enjoy gentoo quest, entirely worthwhile.
04:42 crtdaydreams signpost: will do
04:45 billymg crtdaydreams: that would be great, plz leave as a comment on the article if you can that way other readers can see what you learned if they get to it before i have a chance to update the article
04:46 billymg or if you're going to publish on your own blog maybe drop a link in the comments
04:54 crtdaydreams billymg: I think it'd be rather rude if I did that. I'll be quite happy leaving a comment.
04:56 billymg crtdaydreams: awesome, sounds good
05:04 signpost crtdaydreams: nothing rude about writing an article on "I followed this guy's guide and here are my notes"
05:04 signpost entirely civilized, even.
05:05 * signpost to bed
05:13 mats what an epic market combustion
05:13 mats there is nowhere to hide
05:26 mats from a usg mouthpiece
05:36 mats
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07:45 crtdaydreams so my tribulations with nvidia continue, for whatever reason it fails to show up in lsmod, so I can't modprobe or nuthin. I've installed all the kernel modules, recompiled the whole shebang over and over again. I'm wondering if I have to bulldoze and start again.
07:45 crtdaydreams Really don't want to do that.
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11:11 adlai << please accept my belated, digital, condolence; may her story live on through you and yours.
11:11 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-05 18:38:40 signpost: dang, my mother just died of a heart attack.
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13:50 billymg crtdaydreams: approved your comment and responded
13:53 billymg not sure about your nvidia card troubles but you shouldn't have to bulldoze and start over unless you somehow got your portage tree into an unworkable state
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17:26 asciilifeform << asciilifeform suspects: e.g. rembrandts haven't fallen.
17:26 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-10 01:11:45 mats: there is nowhere to hide
17:27 asciilifeform but yes, umpteenth round of the great theft (tm) going as scheduled.
17:27 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-13 14:38:31 asciilifeform: mats: it doesn't seem like we disagree re 'what' is happening. but possibly disagree in pov. per asciilifeform , what it all is -- is a massive theft.
17:29 * asciilifeform thought mats had 0 problem with this...
17:29 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-13 14:36:26 mats: middle-upper class americans competing, and losing, against upper class
17:29 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-24 03:16:03 mats: i don't give a shit about the middle class
17:29 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-24 03:18:26 mats: i don't buy the premise that a monied middle class is necessary for a stable society
17:29 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-07 16:04:14 mats: while the wealth gap is unfortunate and its very sad all sorts of people are hopeless, its entirely predictable with the advance of science, technology, civilization's collision with the internet, and i don't see a problem with that
17:29 signpost << can't even get this dogshit for less than 5mil.
17:30 asciilifeform ugh, 'can't unsee'!11
17:30 asciilifeform but yes, lizard inflation shelters work a++. or otherwise what'd be the point in engineering hyperinflation to start with.
17:34 mats what did i say that makes you think i have a problem with it
17:34 asciilifeform << very nifty. ( asciilifeform not tested yet tho, but intends to as soon as excavates self from current flood of liquishit )
17:34 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-10 00:36:42 signpost: the intent is to build outward from nothing, bringing in only what is absolutely required to first, build the compiler itself, then whichever items members of the wot deem via V.
17:34 asciilifeform mats: well, the 'nowhere to hide' comment implies giving a shit. nfi
17:35 signpost cool, sounds good
17:36 signpost 19700101000054 3ffc8e18 ada%s << speaking of pentacle, check out this lul
17:36 signpost somehow just the seconds are squeaking through!!!
17:36 signpost in .ali files
17:36 asciilifeform signpost: yet anuther timestampism ?
17:37 asciilifeform for so long as they dun end up in the built bin, harmless, tho
17:37 signpost oh yeah. has to be 90% of the bit-churn
17:37 signpost right, but I want the whole damned bit-turd emitted from a build to be predictable
17:38 asciilifeform binturd yes. timestampisms in intermediates prolly not escapable, if one wants gnumake-like functionality where the thing knows what to rebuild after a change
17:39 signpost this is in /lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-musl/4.9.4/adalib/s-widcha.ali rather than a file in the gcc build process
17:39 asciilifeform ( 'rebuild errything!111 always' gets old rather fast with a proggy of even trb scale )
17:39 signpost just needs to be shat with same timestamp in all of 'em
17:40 asciilifeform for ref. nuffin specifically timestampish about these, is likely build artifact.
17:43 * asciilifeform suspects that a solution that doesn't result in '5 hour rebuild after changed 1 line' must involve treating final linked bin as 'special' (presently idjit linker treats it as simply another linking) , rather than abolishing ~all~ gcc timestamps ~errywhere~
17:43 signpost << the churn is in these, not ads/adb
17:44 asciilifeform ( i.e. they gotta be stripped out in the ~end~ , rather than abolished entirely )
17:45 signpost also bit-reproducibility can sit behind a use flag.
17:45 signpost I do need it to be able to have signed builds, but it's not like this has to happen while developing an item. helps nothing there, hinders.
17:46 asciilifeform signpost: could, but can't think of a reason not to have it always, if can be done correctly (i.e. without losing partial rebuildability)
17:46 signpost happy to bump into this problem and see what must be done.
17:46 signpost defo reasonable to retain incremental builds.
17:46 * asciilifeform wonders if 'strip' could be augmented to remove timestampisms
17:46 verisimilitude Here's that image without JavaScript.
17:48 verisimilitude The JavaScript is commented, oddly.
17:48 verisimilitude // [ENS-1253 SK:] When a user is using uBlock then AI snippet is throwing an exception which results in search error.
17:48 verisimilitude // To avoid ingerention into the AI snippet we are trying to load the script first and execute the snippet only when it will succeed
17:48 verisimilitude I've never before seen this word ``ingerention''.
17:49 verisimilitude My dictionary doesn't list it.
17:49 asciilifeform maybe in 'indian' dictionary, next to e.g. 'updation'(tm)(r)
17:56 verisimilitude Oh yes, ``Do the needful.'' and all of that.
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19:14 signpost asciilifeform: looks like debian's bit-reproducibility project uses an env variable as per following patch
19:15 signpost seems like a tidy way to handle this; that'd not interrupt you when working with the system gnat, but would make .ali timestamps uniform when an item's built via pentacle, yielding a bit-for-bit identical install.
19:17 * signpost will consider every vpatch currently in pentacle up for debate, so long as I can achieve my bit-for-bit outputs.
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21:48 crtdaydreams billymg: I've noticed a potential bug on your site, in my comment I put <code></code> flags around those filepaths. I may have missed one or something, but I'm fairly certain I didn't. It would have still rendered the complete ones anyway.
21:49 crtdaydreams It evidently works fine for <a href="" title=""></a> and in your comment you've managed to get <code></code> ?
21:51 billymg crtdaydreams: indeed a bug, haven't had a chance to look into it yet. the <code> tags were stripped in my reply as well, i had to edit the comment and save again for them to be added
21:52 crtdaydreams aha
21:52 crtdaydreams ok, as long as you're aware
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22:18 billymg ok, found out why. works as designed (e.g. behaving same way as in the genesis). imo a bug though
22:22 billymg $allowedtags is set here, which are displayed in the themes via a call to this function. however, that variable is not used when filtering comments during submission, instead a set of allowed tags is simply [
22:22 billymg /hunk/mp-wp/wp-comments-post.php#L64934][hardcoded in the call to strip_tags]
22:23 billymg hardcoded in the call to strip_tags
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23:29 billymg << "1) $COIN included new language in latest 10-Q warning crypto investors what might happen to their coins should the company file for bankruptcy"
23:29 billymg "2) "Moreover, because custodially held crypto assets may be considered to be the property of a bankruptcy estate, in the event of a bankruptcy, the crypto assets we hold in custody on behalf of our customers could be subject to bankruptcy proceedings..."
23:30 billymg "3) ...and such customers could be treated as our general unsecured creditors...""
23:30 shinohai lol billymg
23:30 billymg retards will read this and still keep their coins on coinbase
23:33 shinohai I'm still loling @ conbase because Hoaxtoshi is suing them for "misrepresenting Bitcoin".
23:37 billymg shinohai: i'm impressed he's still at it, that's real dedication
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