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00:40 vex ever interacted with the guy shinohai?
00:41 shinohai Nah, I only like sewer rats I can troll.
00:43 vex why not him?
00:43 signpost in which we learn vex himself is shitoshi
00:44 vex lol
00:44 shinohai Go ahead vex, sign block 9
00:44 vex someone stole the privkeys
00:45 shinohai Goddamned wifi pineapples
00:45 vex i'm suing every last one of you motherfuckers
00:47 vex I don't reckon he gets much fanmail, but is likely ammnable to it
00:47 shinohai http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-10#1101039 << he's also dedicated lately to claiming that all copies of the blockchain are illegal since "no one connected directly to him and got permission to use".
00:47 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-10 19:35:59 billymg: shinohai: i'm impressed he's still at it, that's real dedication
00:48 shinohai vex: surprisingly he has a few hundred troo believers
00:51 vex I'd like to have a look at the coingeek budget
00:52 vex can you get on the payroll?
00:53 shinohai Doubtful, Ayre knows who I am - has had me blocked on twatter for some time.
00:54 shinohai Guess he didn't like Qntra articles with Hoaxtoshi in 'em.
00:59 phf vex was satoshi all along, just sitting in a lawn chair in the badlands, drinking a pint, watching sunset "oy mate let me tell you what life's all about"
00:59 vex right, now this hoaxtoshi comes along, giving "vexatious" a bad name
01:07 vex I'd actually like to have a beer with the guy
01:16 vex just to see how much of a nutjob he is
01:19 whaack at my MIT history of finance class lecture the professor stated that... "Satoshi revealed himself, his name is SCW" with a small footnote that there is a plausible conspiracy theory it is not actually him
01:20 whaack he is so dedicated that people who pay no attention to btc can easily fall for it , he puts so much absurd effort into it that it is hard for a normie to comprehend how someone could live like that
01:23 asciilifeform whaack: recall how reich activated just about erry single asset in the 'tech' blabbersphere to parrot the 'wright is shitoshi!' thing
01:23 dulapbot (trilema) 2016-08-17 asciilifeform: 'it never happened, and, oh, incidentally, hanno boeck! and hey craigwright is satoshi, and hey, big blox! and it never happened.'
01:23 signpost MIT never taught lisp either.
01:24 asciilifeform ( or how d00d was, supposedly, convicted of xyz and fined 1e8$ or whatnot in au but still 'somehow' loaded enuff to bankroll lawsuits etc )
01:24 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-11 14:33:08 asciilifeform: fwiw in asciilifeform's cosmography, a sublizard is a 'human' who directly executes orders from lizard, while exposed to 'humans' in daily context
01:24 signpost yeah, epstein appears to have been another.
01:24 vex wright did move his whole house to london days before the raid.
01:25 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-10#1101065 << not since abolition of 'sicp' at any rate
01:25 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-10 21:21:56 signpost: MIT never taught lisp either.
01:25 dulapbot (trilema) 2016-02-23 phf: sussman was there though, when mit switched from sicp to python for their intro programming course, and he defended that decision with his remarks at ILC https://web.archive.org/web/20090327115612/http://blog.snowtide.com/2009/03/24/why-mit-now-uses-python-instead-of-scheme-for-its-undergraduate-cs-program
01:25 asciilifeform vex: assange also to london. 'somehow' didn't help, lol
01:27 vex mhm, assange had the clothes on his back
01:28 asciilifeform imho hilarious just how easy it is to spot reich assets -- the folx who echo $partyline entirely in unison, on whatever topic of the day, have seemingly bottomless bags of dough despite doing 0 actual biz, etc
01:29 asciilifeform ( e.g. hearn, boeck, in unison, on one day 'phuctor is bogus, move along', next week 'wright is shitoshi', then 'bigblox nao!', etc )
01:29 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-04 11:16:20 asciilifeform: shinohai: i wouldn't be so sure there are 'troo believers' at all -- wright had an extensive apparatus of usg shills pushing his nonsense (recall hearn, boeck, et al)
01:38 asciilifeform ( related lul )
01:38 dulapbot (trilema) 2016-01-23 asciilifeform: or why not demand bottomless bank account ?
01:38 dulapbot (trilema) 2016-01-23 asciilifeform: i remember reading as a kid, about some south american dictator who gave his phriendz such a thing, and being horrified
01:38 asciilifeform ... but is precisely how it worx in the current reich.
01:40 asciilifeform lizards -- connected directly to printer,brrr; sublizards -- can run outta dough, but pick up phone, get moar (for so long as playing ball)
01:48 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVPxd2sPZUs
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02:06 vex also bangles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA0VfqtIK_A .dat hair
02:12 vex are chicks still rocking the hairspray in Moscow phf? I love that
02:15 phf rich hearing about slave mills from a minstrel. i like how his wikipedia aritcle doesn't have "early life" section, but his moms was cindy breakspeare a canadian "miss world" who married a senator after bob marley's death, ffs.
02:17 phf vex: nah, that culture is dead, moscow is as globohomo as anywhere.
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03:02 phf http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-10#1101083 << was trying to figure who's the peak 80s hair spray cool, decided to go with Anja Huwe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXgn-PWBLAs
03:02 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-10 21:46:23 vex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVPxd2sPZUs
03:02 phf could've been debbie harry, if she wasn't such a basic bitch
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03:18 phf http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-05#1100186 << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TJjFEGNKlk
03:18 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-05 13:05:32 asciilifeform: eh it aint as if there's some kinda hurry. let fella fix his tractor, feed horse, etc lol
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03:59 vex I'm glad you're around phf
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04:15 vex now turn over the documents.
04:25 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGU_4-5RaxU
04:26 vex if you and alfie sit down over vodka, I might need to be there
04:26 phf there's a better version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12w5wykucgk
04:27 * vex sets the shit to 11
04:30 vex woosh
04:31 phf it's a spinal tap reference? i don't get it beyond that
04:32 vex someone irl said it once. i dunno
04:32 phf also my poison is port wine
04:32 phf i don't think asciilifeform drinks :o
04:32 vex excellent. seems to fit, like blondies silk cameltoe
04:32 vex alf drinks
04:34 phf d.h. is a babe, but then also every time i see her my first thought is that it's basically impossible to fuck on cocaine
04:34 vex what's her big song?
04:36 phf probably heart of glass? i was at giorgio moroder concert in moscow and he played all his hits, but from blondie he played heart of glass. i'm pretty sure he wrote most of her stuff
04:37 vex who wrote who is a big thing
04:38 phf moroder wrote the 80s, the entirety of it in fact. i mean https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMADp-FtCYo
04:42 vex track
04:43 * vex nods in neverending agreeance
04:45 vex hopefullty signpost finds a thumbeared copy to read to the next gen
04:46 phf damn
04:46 vex ikr
04:46 vex I think he knows it's respect
04:49 vex when artax... i'm already
04:53 signpost I'll take triumphant 80s electro any day.
04:53 vex awesome
04:55 vex perhaps it doesn't get better than that
04:55 phf peak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptfZ3IPkAOY
04:55 signpost happened at peak empire and peak cocaine eh?
04:55 signpost probably doesn't get better
04:56 phf i like that the word "peak" spontaneously emerged
04:56 vex peak everything
04:56 signpost yeah, sometimes I think the meatputer's smarter than it appears.
04:56 signpost just entirely other goals than individual.
04:58 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-10#1101088 << relately, had a girlfriend in the 00s that looked just like this chick, down to the cig
04:58 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-10 23:00:25 phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-10#1101083 << was trying to figure who's the peak 80s hair spray cool, decided to go with Anja Huwe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXgn-PWBLAs
04:58 phf man, dat sig, dat sig
04:59 signpost got pregnant (with somebody else, later), transformed into ultra-mom on a dime. it was hilarious, and on some level reassuring.
04:59 phf that's why there's 27 club
05:00 signpost haha, gotta bail before nature has its way, yeah.
05:07 phf but also like, doesn't have to be this way, i know a handful of people who were cool back in their time, they just sort of retreated, without surrendering. like in this track there's a backup dancer girl, you'll see her i don't have to point her out, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b2T8K2D-ps i had a crush on her in '95? or whatever. her name is tamzin haughton and funny story i met her at a party in 2008 or so, and she was still cool
05:07 phf af, despite being significantly older
05:09 signpost yeah, I mean to say that in the case of this ex, her vegan punk party thing looked headed for a ditch.
05:09 signpost turned out, entirely viable
05:09 signpost still pretty much the same chick, but with the life factory calling more shots than before.
05:09 vex i fell in with a 12 yo horserider when I was 8
05:10 mats horse girls are weird
05:10 vex I fell off hard. apparently I was super brave af
05:10 phf vex: here's the soundtrack for my horsegirl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS088Opj9o0
05:11 phf her uncle owned a (small) movie theater in moscow, and that's where i saw the matrix on big screen for the first time. in retrospect i treated her cruely...
05:11 mats the last horse girl i met transitioned into a man
05:11 vex lol@mats
05:11 phf mats: …
05:11 mats true story
05:12 vex we know
05:12 signpost dunno if that one generalizes, lol
05:12 vex you haven't ridden till you'vew fallen orf
05:13 phf vex: akshuaaaally!
05:13 mats does a man wear a cup when he rides a horse
05:13 vex I banged my should up hardcore
05:13 vex no
05:13 vex you fall off and hit your rock on a head
05:14 vex then an older girl looks after you
05:14 phf man of culture i see
05:14 vex it doesn't hurt, but yeAH
05:14 mats horsing around has for me always been one of those things white people do that was out of reach
05:15 mats always had been* like boating in nh or the hamptons
05:15 mats not to racialize everything but thats how it felt
05:16 vex mats, you can ride polo if you want
05:16 phf mats: boating in hamptons is something bhrahimnic indians do these days
05:18 mats indians being promoted to model minority status in recent us history is a source of amusement for me personally
05:19 signpost hey, italians and irish got promoted all the way to white
05:19 signpost there's hope
05:19 mats and something of a source of envy also, indians who don't even speak the same language have the nationalist energy to cooperate in us corps
05:20 mats i haven't really seen that kind of national or ethnic solidarity among other asian americans in the workplace
05:21 phf mats: on the other hand don't worry, indians doing boats doesn't elevate indians, it simple makes boating declase. i know that, because despite being a snow nigger, i pass, being of class.
05:21 mats lol
05:22 vex best chink in the game old mats
05:23 phf there's brief confusion about the whole "indian ceo" amongst the people of status, but it's not lasting, and the opinion is mostly formed.
05:23 vex who dat?
05:23 mats nadella
05:23 signpost everybody forgets poor sundar
05:24 phf lol, nadella specifically
05:24 vex again, who dat?
05:24 phf ms ceo
05:24 vex what's the game?
05:25 phf time
05:25 vex ah
05:25 vex heavy on the nasdaq, old ms
05:25 phf wealth has more time, but also slower reaction time, because time. tech is an outlier, but brief period
05:26 mats i've recently had unfortunate opportunity to interact with class
05:26 signpost re: indians the smart ones left just like everybody else in my brief tour.
05:26 signpost the megacorps have all succumbed to bureaucracy, and it's just current fashion that the bureaucracies be led by them.
05:26 signpost later black woman of color or whatever.
05:26 phf signpost: lol, left where? mp had a very solid point "you're an engineer, going to X now instead?"
05:27 signpost everyone I respected left; race was not an indicator
05:27 signpost phf: I was at goog for a while
05:27 vex we know
05:27 phf i didn't know :o
05:27 vex I guessed?
05:27 mats lots of small talk about montana/utah/wyoming, horsing, yellowstone, boats, flying to disneyworld for a weekend jaunt, their tesla suv, the tragedy of their six year old's favourite food being chilean seabass
05:28 mats i think i have enough material for a solid ten standup but nobody would know what i'm talking about
05:28 vex tru dat
05:28 signpost phf: had my fill, moved on. they bought my thing.
05:29 phf signpost: congrats :)
05:29 signpost ty
05:29 vex mats. i'll show yoU how to ride a horse
05:29 vex fast. uphill
05:29 mats no ty
05:29 vex rair cop
05:30 vex fair
05:30 mats i kind of want an electric atv though
05:31 phf mats: i think that maybe these kinds of groups need to be observed over time, rather than at slice. because they look comedic at slice, and then overtime, they somehow subsume, and nobody could've expected !11
05:31 mats go places cops can't follow, bury bodies in places cars can't go, seekrit rendezvous with squirrels
05:32 phf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnpuYtgkP_A
05:36 mats and when ukraine comes up, its 'i just cant believe putin is crazy enough to invade' and then the same dumb rote references to increasingly larger conference tables
05:36 phf mats: atv is for old redneck boomers, get a non-road legal bike. i just got one, and it's great gas. someone in wv modded a suzuki cafe racer for mud racing..
05:36 vex ^tru dat
05:37 mats i guess i could always chop up the body and fit the pieces in a duffel bag
05:37 mats then wear the bag
05:37 signpost mats: they're trying to keep you from ascending to white. don't listen.
05:37 verisimilitude I happened upon the word CARNIFEX in my copy of the OLD recently.
05:38 mats i just thought the atv would be great for hauling meat
05:38 verisimilitude I first knew it as a forum name, but hadn't thought to associate greater meaning to it then.
05:38 verisimilitude It means ``executioner''.
05:39 phf shit i would never want to restrict somebody's path for ascendance. i can be significantly flamboyant in my rebelion against whatever white culture i'm int, because …
05:40 phf if you want to /participate/ than atvs are definitely the way to go, but, practically speaking, inferior to offroading motorcycles if you're fit
05:41 verisimilitude I can spend all day obsessing over Latin.
05:41 phf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqy-fCf6Ymg
05:42 verisimilitude Once, I had jury duty, and everyone there was bored, or stealing glances at a phone, but I sat there, just thinking about machine code.
05:42 mats amazing
05:42 verisimilitude When it came time to judge me for suitability, only I could answer their questions to show I'd been paying attention.
05:42 verisimilitude I wasn't selected, because I admitted to hating football.
05:42 signpost subj of mats.people.white things, I just got a new AR
05:42 mats and then everyone clapped
05:43 verisimilitude No, this really happened.
05:43 mats we know
05:43 vex verisimilitude, can have a klx 150, fully worked
05:43 verisimilitude Fight me, mats.
05:43 vex don't fight mats
05:43 vex you'll get ded
05:43 verisimilitude I'll eat thy liver.
05:43 vex no
05:43 signpost if we start having sperg cage fights I'll need whoever to bring back a betting site.
05:44 mats signpost: fun, did you rice it yet
05:44 phf i'm missing something, because i have some participants of this chat on ignore
05:44 vex nevermind
05:44 signpost mats: nah, no shit bolted to side yet
05:45 phf signpost: what kind of ar?
05:45 signpost got a daniel defense ddm4v7
05:46 mats do you like the foregrip?
05:46 signpost seems solid, yeah
05:47 signpost https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gol9lRqL7qo << while we're youtubing, old guy having a marvelous time ploinking with the thing
05:48 phf signpost: it's semiauto, or you waited yr+ for auto?
05:48 signpost nah, got the semi
05:48 phf kk
05:48 phf jeff cooper
05:49 phf just going to mention him in the log, readers are welcome to pursue further, but he's peak man
05:49 mats some people don't like the foregrip because it can catch on a vest or pack
05:51 phf mats: it seems entirely tacticool, but presumably you can just unscrew it?
05:53 signpost yeah, I see that complaint.
05:53 mats i think so
05:54 signpost it does come off; not sure whether it's easy to put a different rail on.
05:55 mats another toy i've been eyeing is a 640x480 atn thermal monocular
05:56 mats https://www.atncorp.com/thermal-monocular-ots-4t-640-1-10x
05:57 mats the ultimate tacticool
05:57 mats 'we own the night' etc
05:58 signpost pretty cool
05:58 * signpost figured leveling up with a rifle would be a useful skill in dying empire.
05:58 signpost no delusions of grandeur, just figure there might be a day when carnies start burning neighborhoods
05:59 phf signpost: https://www.amazon.com/Art-Rifle-Jeff-Cooper/dp/1581605927
05:59 signpost ty, I'll read it.
06:00 phf it sets the scope, so to speak
06:03 signpost gonna hit the hay, night all
06:03 mats gn
06:03 phf laters
06:03 mats also afk
06:05 vex me too
06:18 phf but we never moved on to the 90s!
06:18 vex careful
06:18 vex listening in
06:18 phf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSkboTTTmpg
06:24 vex I'll bash your skull in for $8.50
06:25 vex if we haven't frightened notoshi; I'll eat my haT
06:27 vex we get two games shoe shire hot dogs fries and a coke
06:27 vex fuck you cunt. i'm coming atchya liek cleopatra
06:28 phf 8.50? that seems rather cheap, i can last longer in a rink
06:28 phf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fz85FE0KtQ
06:28 vex it's like 19.50 now
06:30 phf no no i'm a russian 90s kid, karate, sambo, kung fu and then in the last few years mma. i can at least last an $80 worth of a match
06:30 vex noone wants a hotdog nayway
06:32 vex ever bin to london?
06:33 phf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWfZjV4i2Nk
06:34 vex so work
06:35 phf nah, high school exchange student
06:35 vex oh dear
06:38 phf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckMvj1piK58
06:39 vex what a goaitch?
06:39 vex aitch?
06:40 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GlFZRXBQyg
06:40 vex get the bus cunt
06:43 phf tbf manchester hiphop culture is like early 2000s, in 96 it was all techno
06:45 phf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6FVk2k4qsM
06:46 phf the whole dizzie rascal thing is after my time
06:50 phf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnT58cIJSpw
06:57 phf on the other hand, let's not go to the camelot^Wthe 90s, it's a silly place https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbB3iGRHtqA
07:07 phf yet on the other hand here's charlotte de witte's remix of age of love https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YVvcTIGy40
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07:38 phf since y'all bailed i had to make this trip by myself, but i finally found it. behold, the 90s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrLequ6dUdM
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09:10 crtdaydreams http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101264 << have been reading since you first recommended. up to chapter 6 on trajectory. excellent reading so far. I don't shoot but this books really making me want to start
09:10 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 01:57:31 phf: signpost: https://www.amazon.com/Art-Rifle-Jeff-Cooper/dp/1581605927
09:11 crtdaydreams I know it's a short book, I should really finish it. been reading it in amongst other things. I'm never reading <3 books at a time
09:15 crtdaydreams I'm also not really inclined towards firearms. Then again, the road between being peaceful and harmless goes a mile.
09:21 crtdaydreams technically 90's by year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6120QOlsfU
09:24 crtdaydreams vex: it's pretty fuckin' wet here
09:31 crtdaydreams we were all huddled in the workshop today, everyone passing around grinders and welding helmets
09:31 crtdaydreams pretty squishy, half a dozen different jobs all going on at once
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14:43 asciilifeform $ticker btc usd
14:43 busybot Current BTC price in USD: $31567.8
14:47 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101169 << lol! congrats..?
14:47 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 01:19:27 phf: mats: on the other hand don't worry, indians doing boats doesn't elevate indians, it simple makes boating declase. i know that, because despite being a snow nigger, i pass, being of class.
14:48 * asciilifeform suspects he wouldn't 'pass' (tho, as with the old joak re 'can you play the violin?' 'dunno, not tried...')
14:49 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101243 << what didja have prior?
14:49 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 01:43:47 signpost: got a daniel defense ddm4v7
14:50 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101247 << oblig re subj
14:50 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 01:46:24 phf: signpost: it's semiauto, or you waited yr+ for auto?
14:52 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101257 << double-edged sword ( e.g. would it still work after you've clubbed sumbody with the stock ? )
14:52 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 01:54:17 mats: another toy i've been eyeing is a 640x480 atn thermal monocular
15:04 billymg asciilifeform: i don't think it's meant to be mounted on a rifle, like a scope. they're for scouting / sighting
15:06 billymg "spotting", that's the word
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15:26 billymg http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-05-10#1101034 << great timing
15:26 bitbot Logged on 2022-05-10 23:29:59 billymg: "2) "Moreover, because custodially held crypto assets may be considered to be the property of a bankruptcy estate, in the event of a bankruptcy, the crypto assets we hold in custody on behalf of our customers could be subject to bankruptcy proceedings..."
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15:42 phf http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101312 << maybe you put more into it than meant: it's no different than fitting in at a shriner fundraiser or a crust punk party, just another way to pass time.
15:42 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 10:45:39 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101169 << lol! congrats..?
15:46 phf besides it's hardly "better sort of people m'boy" anymore, the transformation wrought by the information highway affected all classes equally
15:47 phf there's a running social comment how the wealthy can't really get a better iphone than you, well, they can't really get better iphone content than you either
15:50 asciilifeform phf: iirc in original it went sumthinglike 'rockefeller drinks the same cocacola as erryoneelse'
15:54 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101321 << hm possibly. saw the flat bottom, assumed it had rail mount. and defo saw this kinda thing at the range, massive 10$k golden toilets bolted to a 2$k iron
15:54 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 11:02:35 billymg: asciilifeform: i don't think it's meant to be mounted on a rifle, like a scope. they're for scouting / sighting
15:55 * asciilifeform owned a number of thermovisors, for unrelated purposes, all of'em were rubbish, suspects that 'real deal' can only be had on black market
15:56 signpost asciilifeform: I've got a crappy 9mm other than the rifle
15:56 asciilifeform signpost: a, so this was signpost's 1st long barrel
15:57 signpost got a rusty mosin nagant too, but haven't shot it in a while
15:57 signpost but yeah, taking on rifle work in earnest for the first time
15:58 asciilifeform mosin w/ optic will prolly still be in use in next century..
15:59 signpost isn't a bad gun. my old thing was mighty accurate last I shot
15:59 asciilifeform sadly in 1890s not yet invented chrome plating inside barrel tho
16:03 * signpost might get another and treat it better; got proper storage now
16:04 signpost got the ddm4 because I can get the ammo easy, and it's reputed to be sturdy/reliable
16:05 signpost will see how it goes
16:07 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101188 << heh
16:07 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 01:25:18 phf: signpost: lol, left where? mp had a very solid point "you're an engineer, going to X now instead?"
16:07 signpost arguably at that job I was a politician, and I didn't want to have my reward pathways hit for doing that for too long.
16:09 * asciilifeform has witnessed folx losing last remnants of brain after 'promotion to management'
16:09 signpost yup. that was the other fork that could've been taken.
16:10 asciilifeform a, assumed is what meant by 'politician'
16:10 signpost they have degrees of it.
16:11 * asciilifeform not done time in any similar bureaucracy, with exception of u.s. army, where, having rank of 'contractor', not truly tasted the bitter cup, all 'contractor' being effectively same rank (slave)
16:12 * signpost has this notion that having a false face backflows, ends up only face.
16:12 asciilifeform 'you are what you pretend to be'(tm)(r)
16:13 signpost yep, exactly that.
16:15 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101194 << see also...
16:15 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 01:26:17 mats: lots of small talk about montana/utah/wyoming, horsing, yellowstone, boats, flying to disneyworld for a weekend jaunt, their tesla suv, the tragedy of their six year old's favourite food being chilean seabass
16:15 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-31 23:12:51 asciilifeform: 'because they have no theorems to prove'(tm)(r)(p.erdos)
16:17 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101226 << pretty odd voir dire q. ( was a footballist on trial ?! )
16:17 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 01:40:57 verisimilitude: I wasn't selected, because I admitted to hating football.
16:17 signpost https://www.briankhaney.com/perf-season-at-google/ << this, obviously, can become a game, and the only game.
16:18 * asciilifeform called up like clockwork erry 3y, where he lives. one time even sat, was lulzy
16:18 dulapbot (trilema) 2017-01-11 asciilifeform: phf: believe or not, asciilifeform sat on a jury once where 100% of the evidence was the computrace nonsense
16:20 * asciilifeform lives in a place where courthouse is packed to the gills (all 4d/w that it is open, lol) and good % of adult population is Officially 'disqualified' from jury service
16:21 asciilifeform signpost: a, was 1 of those shitholes with quarterly decimations ?
16:22 * asciilifeform naively imagined that folx who end up in there on acct of their co being bought, would've been exempt
16:25 signpost we were tiny, and at that scale, one might expect similar logic applied as if VCs were putting money in.
16:25 signpost "made 100 bets, fine if 1-2 survive"
16:25 signpost not a big deal; I was in that thing for a decade. fine way to close up shop.
16:25 asciilifeform signpost: was it 1 of those deals where they buy yer co with stock, and then you gotta survive a term of indenture until 'vests' ?
16:26 signpost can't say, but typical deals have a mix of compensation.
16:26 asciilifeform aite
16:27 * asciilifeform to date only participated in the variant of that adventure which ends w/ losing shirt, lol
16:27 signpost I left earlier than my biz partner, thanks to the upward movement of BTC. left a chunk on the table, but don't care.
16:28 signpost hey I might lose my shirt; give me time
16:28 signpost :D
16:36 * signpost is the demented type that wanted the small business pain back when it was gone.
~ 17 minutes ~
16:53 billymg signpost: what did your business do/provide? i'm always curious when people figure out a way to carve out a sustainable small biz in the software industry
16:54 billymg would be satisfied even with a vague ansewr
16:54 billymg answer*
16:58 signpost restaurant online ordering
17:00 signpost our pricing blew competition out of the water because we didn't have a VC ponzi to refuel, and we worked our asses off building adapters to legacy platforms in addition to the modern ones with web APIs.
17:01 signpost also very tight ship, 10 people at height.
17:01 billymg very cool
17:01 signpost probably one aspect that made it work was getting started right after the 08 bust.
17:02 signpost (which is exactly why I took off the golden handcuffs to write my own code during the current bust)
17:11 verisimilitude http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101357 I know. They were asking every potential juror this stupid question of opinion.
17:11 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 12:15:43 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101226 << pretty odd voir dire q. ( was a footballist on trial ?! )
17:11 verisimilitude No footballist, just a ``football American'', say.
17:14 verisimilitude I told them may what I thought of the stupid sport go on the record, and was assured it had.
17:14 billymg signpost: with my 2+ years of freedom i've regained the energy to do another fiat grind, but don't know yet what that would be
17:18 signpost will give ya a shout if I get one figured out. would much rather work within the wot this time if it's possible.
17:19 phf signpost: are you still in discovery phase?
17:21 thimbronion billymg, signpost lemme know as well if my services are needed
17:21 signpost yep, just prototyping things. pentacle's meant to be my embedded platform, for example.
17:22 * signpost previously did one using gentoo for the old biz.
17:23 signpost but if anybody else has a soft target to propose I'm open to ideas, so long as nobody tries to get me to sign away my ability to author items myself.
17:24 signpost thimbronion: 100%
17:24 signpost will give you a shout if anything starts working
17:24 billymg i've got one idea, but it wouldn't be any fun
17:24 billymg will describe it, might as well:
17:24 signpost billymg: is it more fun than hammering on my dick wth solidity, because I did that from about jan-mar to at least have an informed critique of defi
17:25 phf signpost: oh you're in tech? i got this idea, let's just quickly sign nda and non-compete before i explain it to you
17:25 signpost hue
17:25 signpost please excuse my allergies
17:26 billymg there's squarespace / shopify which have platforms for small businesses to create templated websites. there is also a cottage industry of freelancers / small shops that do the work of configuring/maintaining these (because in reality even the point-and-click of squarespace/shopify is too much for some small biz owners)
17:27 billymg some of these freelancers/small shops charge monthly to the client, so the client subscribes to them, and they subscribe to shopify/squarespace
17:27 billymg and just pocket the difference
17:27 billymg so i was thinking do the same thing but with a dulap/pentacle self-hosted box running mp-wp (easy to build/customize templates in there)
17:28 billymg which keeps the costs way lower than paying squarespace/shopify on the backend
17:28 billymg then it's just a grind of cold calling and accumulating customers/subscribers
17:28 signpost narrow margins in there; we used to do it for bigger clients.
17:29 billymg that's what i thought, but narrow marigins can be mangeable if you can stay lean and still scale
17:29 signpost could be doable after the bust, when there's a bunch of new-growth businesses
17:29 billymg but also have nfi what this looks like with actual numbers and in the actual market right now
17:30 phf migrations is always such a pain though
17:30 signpost that's exactly how we financed ourselves; hands-on full service shop at the beginning that'd build the restaurant's website, and bolt in our online ordering.
17:30 signpost later when the product was more complete we focused on that, dropped the marketing work
17:31 signpost the former was a bitch; clients want to pay nothing and tweak endlessly.
17:31 signpost better to get a few giant accounts if you're going to do that, and bend over backwards for them, than go wide
17:31 * signpost bbl, relocating
17:32 billymg signpost: the trick is managing their expectations upfront, outlining "cost-per-tweak" upfront
17:34 billymg but yes, i've dealt with it first hand and know that in practice it's sometimes hard to say no when the client says "but could we just make this one section a little bigger" and how those start to add up
17:46 * asciilifeform would happily participate in signpost's scheme but likely is wrong type of plumber
17:52 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101395 << outta curiosity, what counts as 'soft target' ?
17:52 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 13:22:00 signpost: but if anybody else has a soft target to propose I'm open to ideas, so long as nobody tries to get me to sign away my ability to author items myself.
17:53 verisimilitude A soft target is easy to penetrate, right?
17:53 asciilifeform verisimilitude: 'easy' typically means that someone already penetrated tho
17:54 verisimilitude So, in business as in women, I see.
17:54 asciilifeform similarly
17:54 asciilifeform or anywhere else
17:55 verisimilitude http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-26#1099133 Has that family member shut up now, billymg?
17:55 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-26 01:11:40 billymg: i've got these family members, one of whom i set up with a paper wallet back in '15 or so. now the other family member is telling the former "you should put that on coinbase, where it's regulated"
17:59 billymg verisimilitude: lol, have not trolled them with the recent news yet
17:59 billymg did troll another "i'll keep them on coinbase thankyouverymuch" friend though
18:02 * asciilifeform wonders whatever happened to those folx w/ the 'bake trb kit for illiterates' 'biz'
18:10 asciilifeform !q seen-anywhere jfw
18:10 dulapbot jfw last seen in #trinque on 2020-10-24 02:57:20: trinque: thank you for the wallet service and help yourself to a $beverage with whatever's left after the withdrawal txn fee.
18:13 billymg asciilifeform: they're still at it http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2022/jwrd-logs-for-May-2022/
18:17 phf they kind of remind of oglaf's dwarves, https://imgur.com/gallery/n488M6N
18:20 asciilifeform billymg: from cursory look at linked pg, seems like they're still banging head against the cpp turd, lol
18:21 * asciilifeform naively pictured that 3+y is moar than enuff time to bake a sane client, for N d00dz who otherwise not occupied w/ anyffin, and realize the need for such
18:21 asciilifeform evidently not..
18:21 * signpost looks forward to gales linux suddenly growing a "gbuild" with src in vpatches.
18:21 asciilifeform lol
18:22 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101421 << yep no doubts you're capable of making such a thing work.
18:22 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 13:33:12 billymg: but yes, i've dealt with it first hand and know that in practice it's sometimes hard to say no when the client says "but could we just make this one section a little bigger" and how those start to add up
18:24 billymg asciilifeform: i thought the way the events played out was bizarre. here are two guys, one a talented cs guy, the other a talented sales guy (as far as i can judge), who come late to a dying cult, and after the cult is fully dead, and leader himself dead no less, they continue to... align with the cult
18:24 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101422 << would be 100% welcome. perhaps in re: what constitutes a sane, distributed control plane for embedded widgets.
18:24 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 13:44:20 asciilifeform: would happily participate in signpost's scheme but likely is wrong type of plumber
18:24 asciilifeform billymg: that part not mega-surprise, hey, there's still folx praying to odin somewhere
18:25 signpost billymg: arguably I'm still "aligned with the cult" so I can't really level a critique at that
18:25 * billymg would welcome either one of them if they showed up here or in #pest and wanted to work towards any number of things being worked on here
18:25 signpost sure
18:25 asciilifeform signpost: pestronic teleoperation could be interesting
18:25 signpost I'll still make fun of their golf attire though.
18:25 signpost asciilifeform: mhm, exactly that
18:25 billymg signpost: i don't mean "aligned with the cult" in sense of "still consider myself a republican", but still aligned with what it devolved into in the end
18:26 verisimilitude http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101447 This seems like a category error to me.
18:26 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 14:22:29 signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101422 << would be 100% welcome. perhaps in re: what constitutes a sane, distributed control plane for embedded widgets.
18:26 asciilifeform signpost: or even e.g. anti-ddos pill which actually worx, say
18:26 dulapbot Logged on 2022-01-18 18:50:48 asciilifeform: ( and we haven't even touched the implications of practically impossible to ddos hosting etc. )
18:26 signpost verisimilitude: then say how, because the fella seems to know what I mean.
18:26 billymg i got the impression that signpost still aligns with what it once was/could have been -- the ideal -- not the mad king run thing at the end
18:27 signpost eh, even getting mad at the guy, it's an admission that I regret his collapse.
18:27 verisimilitude Firstly, let us agree on the meanings of ``embedded'' and ``widgets'', signpost.
18:28 billymg i regret it too, and regret that he didn't take over the world (would've preferred that to globohomo). but now that that's not the case, seems silly to continue to hitch your wagon to that horse
18:29 signpost no argument.
18:29 phf billymg: why though? those guys came significantly late in the proceedings, knew presumably what they were signing up for, and were ok with it
18:30 signpost verisimilitude: any device you might field for any reason, and wish that to supply data to a distributed system reliably.
18:30 signpost and also to respond to command.
18:30 billymg phf: that's what i meant when i said i found it bizarre. you'd think (or i'd think at least) that those with less time invested would find it easier to move on afterwards
18:32 signpost maybe they were around earlier under other names, or who knows
18:32 phf billymg: i think they are genuine fans of mp, rather than tmsr
18:33 verisimilitude I retract the accusation of a category error, signpost.
18:33 signpost np
18:35 phf now is kind of like the best time to be mp fan, man left lots of texts, that one can interpret without fear of getting called out, and they have significant claim to "the teachings" not having been cast out. seems like a perfect recipe for cozy little community
18:36 verisimilitude Those are called cults, phf.
18:41 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101423 << perhaps the fearful middle during collapse, I think.
18:41 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 13:50:34 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101395 << outta curiosity, what counts as 'soft target' ?
18:44 phf start wearing suits and walking around with canes, make sexual analogies for every subject, "looky, the cunt will fill up, there's no method"
18:44 phf i think even welshcomputing is insufficiently what it's supposed to be!
18:47 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934677
18:47 dulapbot (trilema) 2019-09-07 mircea_popescu: market schmarket, markets are created not identified.
18:48 signpost oh ok god-dad.
18:48 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934681 etc
18:48 dulapbot (trilema) 2019-09-07 mircea_popescu: that's your market identification right there, it's identified : i want to buy the washington monument for pennies. they'll sell it, as they have to, because they're old.
18:50 signpost there's this ancient hubris, where a man that's consistently smarter than most people thinks this means smarter than the natural process producing the people.
18:50 signpost that process gives not one shit about any particular person.
18:50 signpost phf: what was the thing you said about orthodox christianity, that jesus loves you, but not *you*!
18:52 phf signpost: i'm still mulling over my disappointment that welshcomputing mp cult is not proper cult-like
18:52 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-10-03#1720156
18:52 dulapbot (trilema) 2017-10-03 phf: i'm not sure, but not in the way that phrase is cliche in english. god loves you, christ acts from inner great love. i'm not sure christ loves ~you~ as such
18:54 signpost phf: maybe in 50 more years the guy gets a proper devoted peasant castration cult that agrees they're normie cucks.
18:55 signpost precedent exists for these
18:55 signpost Rite of the Dulapidated
18:57 phf signpost: i think *you* and ~you~ are different inflections :p yours seem to imply some kind of internal paradox of "christ loves you" as a principle, that at the same time doesn't apply on concrete individual level
18:59 signpost plural vs specific you is what I was using; english is trash.
19:00 phf where's in orthodox church christ's love is that of a stern patriarch (that is back when such terms had meaning) or a shepherd over the flock: he'll be genuinely sad when he has to punish you, but he will do it for the common good, etc.
19:01 signpost to my mind that common good takes the idea that we're not actually separate as foundation, if not usually explicitly stated.
19:01 signpost the sin's that the creature behaves like he's separate from god, which is not possible if there were a god.
19:05 mats we are all little gods running around barefoot
19:05 mats praise me
19:06 signpost tricking all the meatsacks into attacking the same point in unison is mighty technology; I'm not going to arrogantly shit on it.
19:07 signpost whether such a trick's longevity says something about its approximation of reality is above my paygrade.
19:08 phf signpost: i don't get how my god comment is tied to the preceeding comments on mp though http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101487 etc.
19:08 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 14:48:38 signpost: that process gives not one shit about any particular person.
19:10 signpost I went from the "looky the cunt will fill up" to his non-statements on how to build a business.
19:10 signpost to what killed him
19:12 signpost I misunderstood your thing about what orthodox "god's love" is, but I like my misunderstanding better.
19:12 phf that i figured, but how does it tie to the god loves you, but not you? you mean like even if you have a gilded life, you can still drown in the sea?
19:13 signpost that if the guy beating your ass to correct you doesn't realize that you and he are not separate, he's going to start liking giving the beatings, and that will take over.
19:13 signpost mp thought he beat reality itself, as far as I can tell. personified.
19:14 signpost iirc it's on trilema somewhere, that "I held my finger up, said bang, the world fell down"
19:14 signpost self-awarely said ^
19:18 phf i dunno, that's just will. william burroughs has his character shoot at the moon and the sky to make a hole in the film of reality and all the people in the known cry out "stop him, he's not just going for our cozy little operation, he'll bring the whole theater down, run for your lives every man for himself". it's a pretty poetic way to describe a total, unrelenting opposition to the sttatus quo on an existential level
19:20 signpost will of what towards what.
19:22 * signpost quite done admiring suicidality, "look at the balls on this guy, giving the finger to all reality"
19:22 phf will as archetype, towards what though is variable, kind of whole point of e.g. romantic literature is will with no way to realize it
19:26 signpost the problem this thing - defiance of the gods - is trying to compensate, is that the ride ends abruptly and without recourse.
19:27 signpost from another angle, what, europe was wrong about god, but not the soul also?
19:28 signpost this is also my answer to you why mp has no lasting respectable cult. at the root of the cosmology, there were the categories "mp" and "everything else"
19:29 signpost same goes for your shoot a hole in the sky guy, though I admit to not knowing the reference.
19:31 phf i don't get your point at all :) can you restate it in simpler words, preferably in terms of whores and penises?
19:31 signpost wahaha
19:31 signpost "fucked one cunt you've fucked 'em all"
19:32 phf the cult question was a joke, like the "shootout" scene from the movie legend
19:32 phf ^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNl3jvApJqU
19:32 signpost well look, I can't go untake all the acid. too late for me.
19:32 phf "i came here for a proper fucking cult with proper fucking men" etc.
19:34 signpost pretty good
19:34 signpost I dunno man, if we're going to do 3000 more years of will to power, and pissing on rocks, I think I'll just go roll a joint somewhere and smile.
19:36 phf i didn't mention power
19:36 shinohai http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101524 << ahahaha imma use this next time JW's show up "Nah I just think Gods are like whores ....."
19:36 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 15:29:47 signpost: "fucked one cunt you've fucked 'em all"
19:37 signpost some dick destroying reality because he can is definitely will-to-power in the limit.
19:38 signpost nietszche's term
19:38 signpost *zs
19:40 phf signpost: yeah, but… that's like… your opinion man!
19:40 signpost sho nuff
19:43 phf nah, i'm not buying it. would breaking the walls of the prison you're in will to power? or picking up a tree log, because you have the strength to do so?
19:44 signpost I took the guy ripping reality to mean that he was going to "bring the whole theater down" meaning break the universe, which includes him.
19:45 signpost you're imagining some third-person view to whom this act means something; I'm not
19:45 signpost or rather, this is how I take ya
19:45 signpost the prison, sure, burn it. and burn anyone who imprisons you.
19:46 signpost to take a step back for a sec, I think there are stupid notions buried very deep in european-OS.
19:46 phf signpost: if you shoot the moon of the film you're in, that's the whole you escape through of course. while they are panicking, we're going to get out through the backdoor, duh
19:47 phf *that's the hole
19:47 signpost if there's an into-what, makes it different.
19:47 signpost got out into something that doesn't succumb to heat death / big crunch, hooray, game gets moar cycles
19:48 phf signpost: you're talking some kind of framework, and i'm talking archetypes, poetry. it doesn't need to make sense, in some kind of coherent cosmological way!
19:48 signpost brb, but there we differ eh!
19:48 signpost got a delivery guy here, sec
19:50 phf in the extreme case of this position you could say that a lunatic doesn't care that there's the heat death of the universe (how do you even know that by the way?), because lives in his head
19:55 signpost I was giving a reason it might be rational to break the reality you're leaving behind.
19:55 signpost if there was what-else to escape into.
20:02 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-31#1091145 << the reason why to bother with any of it.
20:02 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-31 17:11:00 phf: signpost: i've maybe come to the same conclusion as you, that you can't have the civilization without the transcendental.
20:02 signpost christendom beget the enlightenment rationality that destroyed it. not coming back.
20:03 signpost and anyone with a head that still works is polishing an heirloom pulled from the context which made it meaningful, and defending as isolated tautology.
20:03 signpost this was your well-reasoned critique of my ability to appreciate classical music compared to those that shared its context.
20:03 signpost 100% agree with it, btw.
20:06 phf well to close one loop though, i don't think that mp's shoot the sky was nihilistic
20:07 phf that is that it didn't necessarily need to be, could be that, could be will to power, could be some kind of mystical poetry
20:07 signpost yeah, I could be charitable and grant that it wasn't.
20:07 phf oh remembered apropos aguirre scene :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKPJBd7gniw
20:12 signpost blasphemy is only exciting while god lives.
20:12 signpost "woah that guy said the naughty, and won a few battles"
20:13 signpost these succumb to the reality warping used to assemble them.
20:13 phf well in aguirre's case the blasphemy is of a very particular kind, luceferian, that's like high blasphemy. we're mostly left with debased kind
20:14 signpost mhm
20:15 * signpost grants that mp spoke defiance to the living gods.
20:15 phf actually probably not even that, he's claiming himself to be a god's proxy, without rejecting god
20:15 signpost eh
20:16 signpost satan's god's proxy in job, not incompatible
20:16 phf well lucifer claimed himself to be equal to god
20:17 signpost iirc he asked permission to torment job regardless of claims to equality
20:17 signpost at any rate I don't hold this in high regard because it was written a long time ago.
20:18 phf by dead white men no less
20:18 signpost not even gay ones
20:18 verisimilitude http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101496 I've solved this.
20:18 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 14:57:25 signpost: plural vs specific you is what I was using; english is trash.
20:18 signpost upstack, I'm saying that this "shoot a hole in the sky" is an archetype which is meaningful in the context of thinking men escaping christianity.
20:19 signpost *escaping*, forever.
20:19 verisimilitude Jesus loves you, but not thee!
20:19 phf signpost: well, it's also meaningful in that context, but not
20:19 signpost verisimilitude: tbh this is why I stopped ripping on your archaisms.
20:19 phf *but not only
20:19 signpost christianity rules, not the thinking men. even now.
20:20 signpost just took its final form as motherstate.
20:20 verisimilitude I realized a man who only fights against degenerations in his time isn't really fighting them, but ceding ground.
20:20 * signpost will listen to the "not only"
20:20 phf i mean shoot a hole in the sky is straight up koan (the one with the nun and a bucket)
20:21 signpost easy to get stuck forever escaping, and not escaped, with those too.
20:22 verisimilitude Rather than continue with English, and eventually break into Old English akin to Beowulf, it was better to start learning Latin instead.
20:22 phf signpost: well, i don't think aguirre is a fable, because you know it's for grownups, his failure does not necessarily mean "don't go looking for eldorado, cause you gon die", even his hubris is not necessarily to be judged, in this case his will is what took him and his party far enough
20:23 verisimilitude Even then, I've learned so much about English I'd never thought to question.
20:23 phf so the idea that escape is from somewhere to somewhere worse is kind of like a moot point often
20:24 signpost the thing I'm rejecting is that it's useful to lie. it's entirely useful to suppose.
20:24 signpost the inward-lying is the kind discussed.
20:25 signpost can one will without knowingly lying?
20:25 signpost possibly we differ there, if anywhere.
20:26 * signpost could be 100% full of shit, but attempting to emit as little shit as can be avoided.
20:26 signpost and there's a why to ^ that might not be a shared prior.
20:27 verisimilitude It's good to be honest with oneself.
20:28 phf i dunno, you keep bringing in these new concepts, rational, lying :>
20:28 verisimilitude Every time someone tries to assuage a bad situation with ``It's okay.'' I counter with ``It doesn't matter if it be okay.'' and variations.
20:28 signpost phf: it's alright to leave things at us not agreeing that they're related.
20:29 verisimilitude I'm a fun person around whom to be, obviously.
20:29 verisimilitude The women love a man who never lies, right?
20:30 phf like you need to define what lie is, because i understand it in very concrete terms "bearing false witness against thy neighbour", or you know "who took the cookie? -- not me"
20:30 signpost phf: I have provided you with an update to your model of reality which does not match mine.
20:30 phf but like is your pastor lying to you, because he ought to know that god doesn't exist science says so
20:30 signpost no.
20:32 signpost and inward lying is the intentional debasement of one's own model of reality.
20:33 phf signpost: what would be an example of that in the realm of the previous points in the conversation?
20:33 verisimilitude Faith is hope, and it's better to be hopeless.
20:34 signpost sec, just realized my texan dropping of words made something ambiguous.
20:34 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101576 << *solely because
20:34 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 16:16:14 signpost: at any rate I don't hold this in high regard because it was written a long time ago.
20:36 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101479 << for example, that this is certainly not the manner in which mp made his own money.
20:36 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 14:42:19 phf: start wearing suits and walking around with canes, make sexual analogies for every subject, "looky, the cunt will fill up, there's no method"
20:37 phf signpost: oh, but that's a fanclub thing though, not about money at all
20:37 signpost then we had no real aspirations to do anything in the world.
20:37 phf wait i don't get it
20:38 signpost np, I'm probably still giving half-models here. will try again.
20:38 signpost guy claims to have stuck a fork in usg repeatedly.
20:38 phf the reason why his fanclub should do these things is cause that's what fanclubsdo
20:38 signpost creates a gathering of folks who consider the thing an enemy to everything good.
20:39 signpost "baus what's the method by which we can get moar leverage against this evil?"
20:39 signpost to which he replies, if you don't know, eat shit and die.
20:39 * signpost doesn't need a leg up, but this is the worst leadership I've ever seen, from one of the most otherwise brilliant people I've encountered.
20:40 signpost if you see value in it as an art project, maybe it continues to animate other things that well justify it, that's alright with me.
20:40 signpost but the above is my view.
20:42 phf signpost: so are you arguing whether or not mp should have fans at all?
20:43 phf i sort of took the existence of his fans (whether or not he's wrong on points) as a given, and was saying that they are not acting sufficiently fan like.
20:44 signpost I think he will be forgotten for the stated reasons, and "why such a puny fandom?" is because it's in progress.
20:45 phf he'll be forgotten because he gave you bad advise once? i mean i don't disagree that he will probably be forgotten, but that's flimsy grounds :>
20:47 signpost eh, models of reality are too distant. I'm not gonna take the other side of that.
20:47 signpost often has seemed like there's a cultural gap here. "of course the role of a leader is to shit into your head"
20:48 phf signpost: that's not a nice thing to say, if you think through the implications
20:48 signpost well, and the reduction of my statement to "bad advice one time" is low effort.
20:48 signpost was actually trying to be charitable and figure out why that's how you see it.
20:50 signpost lemme try again. I don't consider that the bad advice was one particular instance.
20:50 phf signpost: i dunno why you got all bristled, i thought we were having a nice conversation
20:51 signpost not at all bristled. brought up culture for this reason.
20:51 signpost perhaps you deem that mp was as he should've been, and I can see reasons to defend that view.
20:52 signpost up until the point that it fails to work.
20:52 phf ah, no looky
20:53 signpost (and it's funny you think that the cultural gap must mean I'm of the better one :p)
20:53 * signpost burps
20:54 phf signpost: no, what you said is not nice /directly/ without further implications. "you are of culture where leader shit into your head" is the equivalent. i would not find that offensive if i also saw "shitting into ones head" as a positive thing, but i don't :>
20:56 signpost I don't avoid treading into offensive places if it's a more direct route to figuring out what the hell we're talking about.
20:57 signpost I presented a model that was wrong, and you can thereby fix it.
20:57 signpost what is the redeeming quality of that leader that I've failed to understand?
20:59 signpost "those are pretty words about the generation starship you want us to build, boss. any notions on how to pay for it?"
21:02 phf signpost: i don't know how this conversation turned into me defending mp, but here's what i think, i think that you have the kakobrekla mental bug, since you know we are being honest, which manifests in a kind of obsessive "this man was the devil" line
21:02 phf to some extent i got dragged away from pleasant metaphysics into a conversation how bad man was bad, where's i don't support your further
21:03 phf *ferver?
21:03 phf fervor!
21:03 signpost what you did is got upset that I dared misunderstand your perspective.
21:03 signpost so, eh, yawn.
21:03 phf signpost: what?
21:03 signpost we can leave it be.
21:04 phf you're entirely projecting
21:04 signpost the metaphysical conversation benefits from examples if one's head isn't partitioned so.
21:05 signpost mp isn't badman. upstack we were discussing the context in which one might have business in here.
21:05 signpost that these things are not all connected *to you* is fine.
21:05 signpost and that there's a class of men where it's unseemly to discuss their failings, alright.
21:05 phf _in here_? i was discussing a fanclub that someone else has, welshcomputing guys
21:05 signpost this thwarts doing it better.
21:06 signpost dunno how one discusses the welshderps without discussing the source material for the affectations.
21:07 phf signpost: because the affectations are supposed to be funny?
21:07 phf his fanclub in the form of welshcomputing also supposed to be funny
21:09 phf the way the conversation started from my perspective is me basically going "your grandpa had a funny way of talking. kids these days! pop was only 2 cents!" and normally a conversation like that goes something like "heheh, yeah, get of my lawn! heheh" but instead it went "he raped me you know. that man raped me"
21:09 signpost that's a bizarre interpretation.
21:09 signpost I was discussing my reading of nietzsche and heidegger again.
21:09 signpost there is something broken in every man, not mp.
21:10 signpost whether you care is your own problem.
21:10 signpost I will continue to connect things as I see fit, and state them here, and folks are welcome to say where I fail.
21:15 phf i don't think that interpretation is particularly bizarre (i mean you'd figure since i made it), because we were talking about lying and i couldn't understand how it connects to previous conversation, so as an example you brought up a very particular point from your past, which is very tenuously connected to the subject of lying
21:15 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101593 << rec to try... icelandic: rather resembles an alt-universe english which never lost cases, grammatic sex, etc
21:15 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 16:20:57 verisimilitude: Rather than continue with English, and eventually break into Old English akin to Beowulf, it was better to start learning Latin instead.
21:17 phf http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101629 was the punchline. so that is an illustration for how mp was a bad leader, or just generally a jerk, but what's it to do with lying?
21:17 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 16:37:46 signpost: to which he replies, if you don't know, eat shit and die.
21:17 signpost well, whether you think so is your problem. you brought up why the only thing left of the man was sad imitation of affect. I said why.
21:18 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101655 << fwiw asciilifeform's pov is that 'ineffectual crackpot', rather than 'devil'
21:18 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 17:00:21 phf: signpost: i don't know how this conversation turned into me defending mp, but here's what i think, i think that you have the kakobrekla mental bug, since you know we are being honest, which manifests in a kind of obsessive "this man was the devil" line
21:20 verisimilitude Perhaps I may, if I've ever the time, asciilifeform.
21:21 signpost phf: to pick an example, you'll tell me that "srs man of biznis" considered starting a commodity web hosting business in UY was a serious attempt at achieving his objectives?
21:21 signpost and really, I'll only continue if you accept that what I want is to succeed, and not to bitch about the badman.
21:21 signpost if not, what's the point.
21:22 signpost or that "chinese miner conspiracy" was anything but petulance?
21:22 signpost self-thwarted. all along the way.
21:22 phf signpost: well, i can talk about these things if we just accept that the subject of conversation was changed, rather me failing to understand how it connects with nietche and lying
21:22 phf *rather than
21:23 signpost nah, I'll just park it.
21:23 phf man i still don't understand why you got so bent out of shape
21:24 signpost I'm not, but establishing priors seems to be running into something. can't say what.
21:26 * signpost happy to grant that he has not emitted enough coherent model to connect these things, and apologizes to phf for implying he was perhaps of a destructive culture.
21:26 phf is that a texan thing? you can't acknowledge that you're mad?
21:26 signpost nah, I'm as confused as you are bud.
21:26 signpost "these things are all connected; what's not coming across?"
21:29 phf well, i'm explicitly not understanding how mp's incompetence as a leader is connected to previous points, lying and nietche and all that
21:29 signpost nietzsche deals at length with men being stuck in revenge against dead-god.
21:30 phf but if they are not, and it's just a different subject, then that's fine we can talk about it
21:30 signpost this is a stuck state. it can't be untangled without destroying and redefining terms.
21:31 signpost the thing doesn't exist, and the creature wishes revenge upon the thing for not existing.
21:31 signpost this is one place we might diverge. I see this stuck-desire-for-revenge in all "shoot the sky"
21:31 signpost if you'll for a moment set aside that I can only use that symbol in the manner used today, and not contextualized in whatever it was written.
21:33 phf ok with you so far, your perspective is that mp's shoot the sky is a revenge against non-existent god for not existing.
21:34 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-09#1100817 << also worth mentioning that I have a pretty heavy definition for what the forum is for, to be the arena in which these cracks at the unanswerables occur.
21:34 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-09 18:55:07 signpost: perhaps in this framing good is what gives the coordinating human object as many cracks at the unanswerables as possible
21:34 signpost yep
21:35 phf but how is that connected to the idea of lying?
21:36 signpost "revenge against god for not existing" is a falsehood, cannot be.
21:37 signpost there isn't that against which to take revenge, per the statement, leaving aside reality.
21:40 phf ok, so shoot the sky is revenge against god, which is a lie because can't revenge against something that didn't exist
21:41 phf how is that connected to mp's ineffectual leadership?
21:41 signpost going to try to create some additional context, so take it as that, rather than leaping to someting else I want to yell about.
21:42 signpost do we actually want to be rid of our current circumstances? out of the empire, salt the ground where it stood?
21:42 signpost the alternative would be to be the marginal characters that know better, drifting in the sea of ignorance forever.
21:43 signpost if my descendents are going to have their minds invaded by the same technological hell that's crept into my house, I say stop the project.
21:43 signpost whatever hell may or may not be, we'll have created it.
21:44 signpost so the question would be whether this is fixable, is poorly constructed, is inevitable.
21:44 signpost *the model posed by me is poorly constructed
21:52 signpost ftr, wife helps me beat this back out of the house at every turn. wasn't a comment on her.
21:53 phf ok, so the context is your concern with replacing current circumstances, particularly when it comes to infiltration of technology into daily life
21:53 signpost of totalitarianism into my web of trust.
21:54 signpost and not a particular -ism, but the corruption of them into facilitating their own destruction.
21:56 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-19#1097255 << could say I'm trying to answer you this.
21:56 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-19 15:14:03 phf: asciilifeform: nor do i think the upstack will get lost, at least not by my doing, because without resolving it, /i/ don't really see any reason to do anything. why would i need peh to chat to you guys about good old days, can do it here fine
21:57 phf ok, so the context is your concern with replacing current circumstances, particularly when it comes to infiltration of technology into daily life and particular negatives modes of interpersonal relationship mediated by such technology
21:58 signpost all of that is true, and I would synthesize further into "the derangement of shared model-of-reality which necessarily leads to destruction, broadly and individually"
21:58 signpost distortion of markets would as easily fit this category as lying to my wife about whether I love her.
22:07 phf is it maybe the case that it's not connected in the form of a logical structure, but thematically connected? mp
22:07 phf err
22:09 phf mp's god lie perhaps is the foundational delusion that makes him into an iffectual leader, and you took this particular line of exploration, because the question of his leadership is important from the framing perspective of what do?
22:09 signpost exactly that.
22:14 signpost we can set him aside and ask whether prometheus helped anybody by setting the aspiration of man against the gods just as well.
22:15 signpost is man at war with the gods or himself.
22:16 signpost or say, what a stupid construction it is to say that flying is defiance of gravity.
22:19 phf an alternative way to structure a dialog is that of a thesis, and that's the one i tend to employ, that's where statement are connected by their logical relationships in a hypothetical shared in-the-head thesis (that's where the idea of priors come from, by the way, it's the postulates at the beginning of litereally thesis work that establishes foundational assumptions of the future argument). from that perspective thematic connections
22:19 phf tend to be confusing, which is also where bulk of misunderstanding came from. you're just talking, where i'm in "dialog" mode.
22:19 signpost it's hard to do so here, because I don't have a specific proposal of what to do.
22:19 signpost only a line of inquiry
22:20 signpost I can understand that, and thank you for your effort to pull out a thesis from me.
22:21 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101638 << let me also macroexpand this, because it was unskillful. it could be defended (even if I don't believe) that "leaders must use propaganda to shape the behavior of lesser men" and mp considered us his lessers.
22:21 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 16:46:00 signpost: often has seemed like there's a cultural gap here. "of course the role of a leader is to shit into your head"
22:21 signpost it was in this direction I was groping, and not a shot at you specifically.
22:24 verisimilitude The only reason a leader wouldn't manipulate his lessers is if he had no need for them.
22:26 signpost verisimilitude: well, maybe someday I will ascend such that derangement of my's L1 doesn't backflow into myself, nor rob me of whatever value I may derive from the iterated game with them, but that's not today.
22:26 signpost *my
22:34 phf signpost: i don't think that what mp was saying was propaganda for the masses, to what extent he himself belived what he was saying (about e.g. china conspiracy) i don't know
22:36 signpost in either case, one hopes that this isn't exemplar, to leave room for novel failings to come, and also dissected.
22:36 signpost *to be also dissected.
22:37 phf i don't see things like that as a lie though, and allow a lot of poetic license, besides i don't see it as any kind of contributor to failure
22:38 verisimilitude Don't worry, signpost; I'm certain we'll live to see human failings of which we previously couldn't conceive.
22:39 signpost verisimilitude: "father forgive me, I did an original sin. I poked a badger with a spoon" (tm) (r) (eddie izzard)
22:39 phf i mean don quixote was not intentionally fighting windmills, nor was he insane in the context of the story, in fact servantes raises similar questions to what we're discussing
22:39 phf who needs a knight in a post-knights world, and what's one to do
22:40 signpost well, that's the heart of the disagreement right?
22:40 phf signpost: well, we disagree about a bunch of other points :)
22:40 signpost there is a traditional what-to-do that one might criticize. or not.
22:40 phf i'll get to them
22:40 signpost that's alright too.
22:41 signpost o/^ what do you do with a general, when he stops being a general o/^
22:41 phf but then how did you reconcile those fibs?? i have a framework for it
22:41 phf i have a literary baggage that lets me follow an aquirre, despite the fact that he's claiming that he can literally will the birds to fall off the trees
22:42 signpost at the time? I thought he was consciously propagandizing.
22:42 signpost as I suggested above.
22:42 phf but you were ok with being propagandized back then?
22:44 signpost as I recall I stayed out of the business dealings of people who weren't me.
22:45 signpost and stopped what I was doing for a few weeks to try and salvage what of the wot there was.
22:45 signpost building deedbot etc.
22:45 signpost one guy being loudly wrong becomes more costly the more that guy declares himself monarch of a republic.
22:46 signpost and as it happened, the more worthless of the bunch appeared to end up on the assbot end of the schism, so what to make of that?
22:46 signpost or perhaps one disagrees.
22:47 signpost I suppose I saw him as covering his ass, and allowed it. I can accept the criticism that it was a mistake.
22:47 phf yeah, man
22:48 phf like there was no inherent animosity in my perspective, that is i didn't think twice about "we'll rule over the americas" claims, because it's such a trope, and not inherently malicous one
22:49 signpost sounds very much like "I never believed it" which is what I said also.
22:49 signpost your don quixote is also protecting himself from the shame that the world has no place for him.
22:50 phf have you read don quixote?
22:50 signpost no, I'm going on your usage.
22:50 signpost you're excusing the man for living in his own delusions because it was rendered beautifully by someone you enjoy.
22:51 signpost but criticizing me for seeing him as delusional and not caring as much then as I do now.
22:52 phf signpost: don quixote was an analogy, i said it was a trope, because it's part of human condition rather than "somebody wrote once"
22:53 phf what i am criticizing is that your perspective the way you presented it was anti-, rather then pro-, and it's a pretty big anti-
22:53 phf the point of "i never believed it" is usually to highlight that the thing was bad, and you knew it was bad all along
22:54 signpost didn't think it was bad at the time. thought it was the toupe on an otherwise pretty smart dude.
22:54 phf where's i won't even say something like that, i believe that group cohesion relies on shared delusions
22:54 signpost looking back, seeing it as more foundational to the dysfunction.
22:54 phf *say something like "i never believe it"
22:56 phf e.g. believing that "tomorrow we will rule america" makes you act as if you would, who the hell knows maybe we will? tomorrow? hell yeah! to the barricades! etc.
22:58 phf i mean mp wasn't the only one constructing delusions, somebody (i forgot who) had the "fbi at the door" running story, asciilifeform claimed every network disruption was done by feds (*i'm exagerating for comedic effect)
22:58 phf was it bingoboingo with the fbi at the door?
22:58 signpost the only difference here is I'm saying the experiment has been run, and not just here.
22:58 signpost we see the same things.
22:59 signpost would be useful to pull apart ambition from fact here.
22:59 signpost there's nothing false about ambition necessarily.
23:00 signpost where ambition becomes lie is the declaration being the whole of the work.
23:00 signpost "Mission Accomplished"
23:06 signpost phf: how about "I will conquer the commodity hosting business from a country with half a pipe" for delusion? meaning no jab at anyone.
23:06 signpost we'd probably agree that shared constructs are required to form a group. I'm not sold on shared grandiose vision.
23:07 phf signpost: i don't think that was a delusion at all! the "conquer" part is a motivator, but the "half a pipe" was only discovered in the process. certainly nobody spoke up, /i/ never spoke up, because it just didn't occur to me. certainly not as a strong objection
23:08 signpost the guy picked that as the hill to die upon, recall.
23:08 phf honestly i think pizaro was a whicked cool project and hats off to bingoboingo for doing it
23:10 signpost really not the point I'm hitting upon. it was difficult and they did a good job pulling it off.
23:10 phf it's gumptious, there was all kinds of drama but also practical shit that needed to happen, and did
23:10 signpost explain to me how this was the brainchild of a man of srs bsns with the amount of btc he claimed.
23:11 signpost sure, boss said go do this hard thing, and they did. now what.
23:12 signpost they can feel good in that they accomplished it; there's no question about that.
23:12 phf is that a rhetorical explain? because i was about to :>
23:13 signpost don't grok the question
23:13 signpost I'm not being sarcastic.
23:13 signpost I'm saying that the next time somebody comes with a nice hat, classical education, and tiddies in tow with grand ideas, I'm going to go back to what I was doing.
23:13 phf you said "explain to me", so i'm asking is that a rhetorical device or?
23:14 signpost oh, sorry, go ahead.
23:15 phf ok, so i'll now need to provide my own framing, "the how of tmsr" the way i understood it at the time
23:16 signpost I will have to run soon, so at least that will give ya some uninterupted space to say.
23:16 * signpost will reply this evening
23:17 phf mp made it very clear that he's not willing to be a mecenate, and that he would, at best, maybe invest some money into republican projects, which in itself ought to be seen as a charity
23:19 phf the early republic, and come to think of it, it might predate your time, had at least a bit of "school of mp" thing going
23:21 phf that is again, and you can agree with this or not, but this was mp's explicit position, was a kind of charity where he taught his approach to life, to those willing to learn
23:25 phf so the republic, the way i saw it, was not supposed to be to mp's financial benefit in the short term, nor was it going to be funded by him.
23:26 phf it was a forum, where by following certain principles that we establish for ourselves we'll be able to solve that framing problem that you brought up
23:28 phf now we can go into the weeds of how, but for the purposes of this elaboration i'll keep it short, and only mention what i think is a representative subset of mp's pragmatic answers to "how"
23:32 phf acquire as much btc as you possibly can by any means possible, e.g. sell all your assets and invest them into btc, get a bunch of fiat debt and buy btc, if you have nothing to sell and you can't take on debt, then spend most of your paycheck (i believe one of the articles said %90 or whatever) on btc for some period
23:35 phf step two was to then move to a cheap, dodgy and preferably tropical country, obv with all that btc in tow. if you have debt that you're reneging on, then you're also "running away", but the idea doesn't change
23:37 phf step three is to then establish a kind of meet wot presence in your country of choice, primarily establishing a local btc exchange process for yourself
23:37 phf *meat
23:40 phf so obv depending on how much btc you have in tow you either live in a mansion with slaves or you find the cheapest room/etc bb style, at this point presumably and if you planned well you have for all practical purposes an infinite runway. you live in your shack or whatever, periodically cashing in btc, indefinitely. now that's kind of like the baseline: you are now free to participate inthe btc economy, or republican economy
23:40 phf specifically
23:42 phf at which point you build a business, that relies on the republican infrastructure, following the republican way, etc. pgp contracts, irc for comms, blog for presence, etc.
23:44 phf now what your business actually is is sort of your business. some of it was emergent from the needs of the republic (e.g. deedbot), some of it was suggested by mp. you're basically doing a full startup, with the above requirements and realities in mind
23:44 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101795 << iirc he had (by all appearances) bona fide fbi at the door. (and then reprieved somehow)
23:44 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 18:57:03 phf: was it bingoboingo with the fbi at the door?
23:46 phf that's it, that's the whole mp tmsr plan, and i think it /was/ solid af.
23:46 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101802 << from asciilifeform's pov, this was 'beginning of end'
23:46 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 19:04:21 signpost: phf: how about "I will conquer the commodity hosting business from a country with half a pipe" for delusion? meaning no jab at anyone.
23:46 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-31 23:23:35 asciilifeform: per asciilifeform's lights, e.g piz was a suicide mission, already a product of 'must succeed the mp way, with human torpedo , or doesn't count' , the correct solution to 'hosting sux' was p2pism and asciilifeform noted as much at the time
23:48 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101804 << not exactly 'in the process' -- was already known the whole place had precisely 1 usable dc before BingoBoingo signed contract
23:48 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 19:06:07 phf: signpost: i don't think that was a delusion at all! the "conquer" part is a motivator, but the "half a pipe" was only discovered in the process. certainly nobody spoke up, /i/ never spoke up, because it just didn't occur to me. certainly not as a strong objection
23:53 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101831 << this is interesting to think about again in light of recent years , where reich succeeded quite well at preventing 'to the moon'(tm)
23:53 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 19:38:48 phf: so obv depending on how much btc you have in tow you either live in a mansion with slaves or you find the cheapest room/etc bb style, at this point presumably and if you planned well you have for all practical purposes an infinite runway. you live in your shack or whatever, periodically cashing in btc, indefinitely. now that's kind of like the baseline: you are now free to participate inthe btc economy, or republica
23:53 dulapbot Logged on 2022-01-19 13:03:00 asciilifeform: the reason why various 2010s 'they'll ban goxes!' prognoses (incl. asciilifeform's) came to nuffin, is that turns out goxes are a very effective instrument of exchrate control, and therefore quite valuable to the reich.
23:53 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-09 13:14:02 asciilifeform: reich succeeded in jacking up btc-usd rate by flooding goxmarket w/ papercoin; after which exchrate stiffly correlated with all other reich paper.
23:53 dulapbot Logged on 2021-10-31 23:04:14 asciilifeform: gotta keep lights on until the quasi-mythical 'victory day' when exch rate grows that new 0
23:54 asciilifeform !q seen-anywhere BingoBoingo
23:54 dulapbot BingoBoingo last seen in #asciilifeform on 2022-02-28 12:49:43: In the past month US down ~19% versus Brasil's Real, 5.3% versus Peso Uruguay
23:54 asciilifeform ^ hey BingoBoingo , wakeup!
23:54 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-27 11:55:24 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you dun intend to renew your subscription, plox to gpggram re: snailmail addr for return of yer colo machine.
23:55 phf asciilifeform: ftr the "plan" was in place when 1btc was <$1000, in fact "sell all your shit now and move" comedically came out couple of months before 1btc became $8000 for the first time
23:55 asciilifeform phf: right, iirc '17
23:56 asciilifeform 29 jun '17
23:56 asciilifeform hm notquite right
23:57 asciilifeform usd-btc ~2.5k on that day.
23:58 asciilifeform possib. correct re 'couple mo later' tho
23:58 asciilifeform still is interesting q, how many folx 'took suitcase and ran to mexico' w/ xx btc, which nao -- running dry
23:59 asciilifeform 'market can stay irrational longer than you stay solvent'(tm)(r)(c)
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