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01:46 vex this is a big missing piece to the puzzle if one were attempt to model a hypotheical bankrun on tether
01:46 dulapbot Logged on 2022-06-14 12:50:16 signpost: has no commentary on tether, but figures the US will be insisting "unprecedented!" regarding its mistakes all the way down.
01:51 vex could already be underway
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02:13 vex I was theorising that noise & heat go up a chinmey.
02:13 dulapbot Logged on 2022-06-14 00:37:09 asciilifeform: 'this is server rack, also doubles as pottery kiln and crematorium' lol
02:16 verisimilitude Hey vex, want a toy?
02:16 vex is it used?
02:16 vex go on vermie, whatchu got?
02:18 vex lemme guess, you built a thing to relieve amms of tether, I just need to redeem it through aseries of corps?
02:20 verisimilitude
02:20 verisimilitude The UDP toy is most interesting.
02:21 verisimilitude Just download the sh program and fool around.
02:24 vex interesting toy.
02:25 vex are you quite sure you didnd just reinvent swahili?
02:27 verisimilitude I didn't create toki pona, a Canadian woman did.
02:28 vex oh
02:39 vex gee. thanks dad.
02:50 verisimilitude It's no issue, child.
02:50 vex I'll give it a look. do consider an air rifle if you ever have boys
02:52 vex they're read whatever for a daily issue of slugs
02:54 asciilifeform << wai wouldja want to vent the hot air in winter ?
02:54 dulapbot Logged on 2022-06-15 22:11:11 vex: I was theorising that noise & heat go up a chinmey.
02:54 asciilifeform ( or to suffer rain, bird's nests, falling brix, on yer boxes, lol )
02:55 vex chimney is peak masonwork, perhaps not my best evar idea
02:55 asciilifeform << wat's to model ? bank runs moar or less go all same way
02:55 dulapbot Logged on 2022-06-15 21:44:24 vex: this is a big missing piece to the puzzle if one were attempt to model a hypotheical bankrun on tether
02:56 vex there's been a few in the huffspace, not quite tether yet
02:57 vex for starters, need usdt^5/6 (i forget) to redeem
02:57 vex mats would know
03:00 vex algocoin runs seem to be ~player taking a win
03:02 vex there's always a first mover advantage
03:12 vex if tether breaks, you'll have your cheapcoinz alf
03:13 asciilifeform vex: reich aint aboutta pop ~all~ of its bombs simult
03:13 asciilifeform ( then, later, wat do )
03:14 vex well, exactly, who's in control?
03:14 asciilifeform ( granted 'can't underestimate the stupidity of reich' but aint ~that~ stupid normally )
03:15 vex it's all models
03:16 asciilifeform vex: suppose martians landed and told you name of lizard hitler; what'd it do, exactly
03:16 vex 0
03:16 asciilifeform precisely 0
03:16 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-26 15:15:42 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: why would they do that ?
03:22 asciilifeform << asciilifeform was similarly fascinated w/ subj in the 2000s; but imho it's a humlang equiv of scheme (in the sense comtemplated by naggum)
03:22 dulapbot Logged on 2022-06-15 22:25:32 verisimilitude: I didn't create toki pona, a Canadian woman did.
03:22 dulapbot (trilema) 2015-08-07 asciilifeform: hence naggum pissing on scheme as a 'pedo' language that is only loved by folks who like the embryonic stage of things when they have no wrinkles (by his lights)
03:22 asciilifeform i.e. if you were to take up attempt at nontrivial use, would bloat rapidly to a moar offensive obesity than commonplace langs
03:23 vex dudes frightened of cesars latin
03:24 asciilifeform vex: there'll never be any end to attempts at 'latin, but want to fit on a4 sheet'
03:24 asciilifeform all end same way
03:24 asciilifeform see e.g. lojban.
03:24 vex ~immpossible tm alf
03:25 asciilifeform not that aint fun to try
03:25 vex right
03:26 * asciilifeform couldn't even fit e.g. pest into a4 sheet. or 20. (dun mean ~no one~ could, naturally)
03:27 asciilifeform ( + see also re subj )
03:27 dulapbot (trilema) 2017-05-31 asciilifeform: and if someone wants to mention godel etc -- ethical engineer MAY NOT cite godel, EVER, just as a police detective MAY NOT cite the supernatural and admit a hypothesis of miraculous theft from a safe
03:29 * vex recinds the feeling to quote wellington paranormal
03:30 asciilifeform in wholly unrelated n00se, apparently sipm can be had naodays for 20-30$, rather than 100-200
03:30 dulapbot Logged on 2020-08-20 18:26:18 asciilifeform: Aerthean: the 150 $ item is a SiPM ( i.e. micro array of PINs )
03:30 asciilifeform ( evidently side effect of reich obsession with detecting smuggled pu )
03:31 asciilifeform ( for all the diff it makes )
03:31 dulapbot Logged on 2022-06-13 20:38:03 asciilifeform: signpost: asciilifeform 100% pro 'whole thing in turnkey iron and for ranchers etc' but with the obv caveats.
03:36 vex there's mor than one tractor afficionado on channel
03:37 vex phf for instance claims to jailbreak john deere
03:39 vex you just know the commie bastard is doing it for a 6 pack
03:40 vex nope, he swapped it for a case
03:47 vex can u dig it?
03:53 vex rip pankakke. paint that shit yellow.
03:54 vex mining since $2
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05:00 scoopbot New article on A Syndication of Verisimilitudes: A Review of ``Out of Their Minds'' by Dennis Shasha and Cathy Lazere
~ 19 minutes ~
05:20 verisimilitude I postponed the publish of the following article, in which I list all of the ways the work disgusts me, asciilifeform. I should be able to publish it today.
05:20 dulapbot Logged on 2022-06-15 23:19:51 asciilifeform: << asciilifeform was similarly fascinated w/ subj in the 2000s; but imho it's a humlang equiv of scheme (in the sense comtemplated by naggum)
05:21 verisimilitude I agree its worthless, and I saw better work to do, but finished it anyway.
05:22 verisimilitude The constructed language hides too many complexities of real languages, to the point it could harm research, not help it.
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06:28 vex do you know swahili verisimilitude ?
06:30 vex was once the language of thrade in eastern africa
06:30 verisimilitude No.
06:31 vex still prolly is, but less important now
06:33 vex if you find yourself in dar el salaam, it might be handy
06:40 vex all the old slave traders could talk it
06:42 vex got japanese? every bc trade needs it
06:42 mats you've piqued his interest
06:42 vex the fuckin kraken
06:42 mats say more about slaving
06:43 vex I don';t know too much matty
06:47 vex if you're into history, air bnb is your friend
06:49 vex me, i prefer to get off the plane and find a tout to find me the cheapest hotel
06:52 vex zanzibar was the spot for slaves
06:54 vex you sould rock up speaking latin
06:56 vex the sulatan's accountant couls see for miles
07:08 vex i love thursdays
07:12 vex raggedy cunt at the top of the rocks
07:16 vex rolling thru the back of stone town. fat muzzie in a face off
07:16 vex u wot cunt?
07:19 mats
07:20 vex can take a name liek Fok now?
07:21 vex must be Norway
07:22 vex nod to jonsykkel
07:23 jonsykkel fokin el m8
07:23 vex north ftw
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07:42 mats its a canto family name, if you look at his picture you can immediately tell he's at least half asian
07:46 mats
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15:16 punkman
15:20 * asciilifeform recalls infamous episode where tesla 'picked up martians', which turned out to be marconi
15:20 * signpost affixes tinfoil more tightlier.
15:20 signpost it's the limited hangout of the hidden advanced physics research vehicles maaan
15:22 punkman USG has also been making noise about "aliens", they got jealous
15:23 asciilifeform 'we maybe found martians' seems to get run whenever 'need noose distraction, and the arrange-postals dept. is slow'
15:24 * signpost has no doubt there exist other forms of life. and also, that to any capable of such travel, we'd be approx. algae.
15:25 asciilifeform prolly worx over9000x better in cn, where '3 body' (their 'war of the worlds') is supposedly ~decade into hyperbestseller
15:25 * asciilifeform read, was lulzy
15:26 signpost dunno why there wouldn't be signals pooting out of someone's dyson sphere.
15:27 signpost most amusing interpretation of the UAPs thing is imho that they exist, and are entirely autonomous.
15:27 asciilifeform signals , but 1/dist^2 and c are a bitch
15:27 signpost flew in at the first crack of a nuke, and will glass the planet at first artificial wiggle of gravity.
15:27 signpost with all credit to clark of course.
15:28 asciilifeform classic trope, 'you failed final exam!'
15:29 asciilifeform ( in the cn version, erry serious civ is busy looking for others to zap, 'we them before they us' etc )
15:29 signpost sounds like post-colonial trauma, lol.
15:29 asciilifeform signpost: pretty explicitly. rec'd read.
15:30 * signpost not afraid the chimps will have an uprising any time soon.
15:30 asciilifeform complete with quislings ('friendship with aliens society' etc)
15:30 signpost will do, already have three-body on the bookshelf enqueued
15:30 asciilifeform a
15:37 asciilifeform meanwhile in other lulz from linked fishwrap.
15:37 asciilifeform 'Johnson is seeking to represent a class of people who have lost money trading in Dogecoin since April 2019. He is asking for $86 billion in damages, plus triple damages of $172 billion, as well as an order blocking Musk and the companies from promoting Dogecoin, and declaring that Dogecoin trading constitutes gambling under US and New York law.'
15:44 signpost lol!
15:48 signpost well, the scandalous case of the massage didn't stick, so now this eh?
15:49 signpost gets rid of uppity oligarch, and sprays pesticide on "crypto". win win.
15:51 * asciilifeform not sold on the narrative where 'musk -- uppity'. aside from running usg's 'privatized' rocket ministry, d00d also primo contractor in the 'lift btc-usd in plane , to then drop outta it' project, and seems to work a++
15:53 asciilifeform the 'doge' episode imho entirely fits this model, 'help taint btc by association with straight pyramid'
15:57 signpost guy's certainly no enemy of printola.
15:58 signpost see also: tesla
15:59 signpost (most egregious pumping scheme, though obviously spacex also runs on printola)
16:02 asciilifeform signpost: not simply 'no enemy', but earning his pay a++
16:02 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-11 14:33:08 asciilifeform: fwiw in asciilifeform's cosmography, a sublizard is a 'human' who directly executes orders from lizard, while exposed to 'humans' in daily context
16:02 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-10 21:39:06 asciilifeform: lizards -- connected directly to printer,brrr; sublizards -- can run outta dough, but pick up phone, get moar (for so long as playing ball)
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17:52 asciilifeform << a++ review imho ( asciilifeform read subj, still has on shelf )
17:52 dulapbot Logged on 2022-06-16 00:58:17 scoopbot: New article on A Syndication of Verisimilitudes: A Review of ``Out of Their Minds'' by Dennis Shasha and Cathy Lazere
17:55 verisimilitude I'm flattered. I wound up spending all of my writing time yesterday on it.
17:58 verisimilitude Something I didn't mention is how, on page 234, the sole mention of UNIX calls it a great advance in computer science; I notice they didn't interview anyone who worked on UNIX, however; perhaps books in 1995 needed to mention UNIX to sell better.
17:59 asciilifeform 'unix -- advance' is a 'religious' plank, where folx unwilling to even contemplate the opposite because 'will have to despair, what's left?'
~ 48 minutes ~
18:47 * asciilifeform meanwhile paid dc folx their yrly invoice, through jul '23
18:48 asciilifeform pretty great not giving half a fuck what exch rate is.
18:48 dulapbot Logged on 2022-01-14 19:57:24 asciilifeform: recommends his strategy -- of conducting biz in btc strictly to fill a hodl -- to others, but not under illusion that it is generally applicable
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22:32 * adlai|text says hello
22:35 * shinohai waves at adlai|text
22:36 adlai|text my impression from skimming logs is that migration to pestnet is underway, despite the spec still officially being a moving target?
22:37 * adlai|text has been procrastinating studying pestnet, mostly due to the impression that the spec was still a draft, and clients still only rough prototypes
22:38 shinohai Both prototype clients work very well, props to awt and jonsykkel
22:50 billymg ^ no major problems really, works well enough for daily use for months now
23:02 verisimilitude I'm under the impression we'll move by the year's end.
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23:29 asciilifeform wb adlai|text
23:29 asciilifeform adlai|text: there's some loose ends, most prominently this one, but asciilifeform doesn't expect major revisions of anyffin else
23:29 dulapbot Logged on 2022-06-06 14:32:48 asciilifeform: algo ftr, if recall, for 'hard distinguish'. obv. imperfect.
23:30 asciilifeform adlai|text: signpost is working on a lubyism commandset for 1337 w4r3z, but dun expect this'll change any existing mechanism
23:30 asciilifeform adlai|text: prolly coupla other minor things may change
23:30 dulapbot Logged on 2022-06-13 18:16:06 asciilifeform: phf: arguably there's an unnecessary barb in current protocol, where netchain is unused for direct msg sessions -- really oughta be treated as simply special case of broadcast in that sense, where netchain includes the 2 parties strictly
23:39 adlai|text I suppose the best favor I could've done myself, a year ago, would've been selling enough coin to have a year of rent sitting in the fiat bank account.
23:40 asciilifeform ( the order buffers thing prolly also needs massage & similification, but asciilifeform sadly not has spare cycles atm )
23:40 * adlai|text is regrettably still living from payment to payment, despite not being anywhere near financial starvation
23:40 asciilifeform adlai|text: 'ifonly bought in '09' etc lol
23:40 adlai|text no, this is completely different.
23:40 asciilifeform *simplification
23:40 asciilifeform adlai|text: how's that
23:41 adlai|text I suppose the difference is not visible from your perspective, since you have been pretty much continuously living off fiat salary.
23:41 asciilifeform adlai|text: not ever lived off anyffin else in adult life
23:41 adlai|text over the past ~decade, I've occasionally earned conventional fiat salary, and occasionally lived off family charity (c.f. earlier discussion of 'neet')
23:42 asciilifeform a
23:42 adlai|text throughout this time, accumulated coin when possible; and now, actually owe rent in my own name, and must begin thinking about timings of selling coin, and what kind of fiat earning job is reasonable, to avoid selling coin.
23:43 asciilifeform adlai|text: could program in saltmines like ~errybody else lol
23:43 asciilifeform saltmines always taking fresh meat
23:43 adlai|text fwiw, last time I met a doctor, he quite explicitly told me, "you worry too much, go to hospital, wait patiently, you will leave hospital with disability payments"
23:43 * adlai|text does not want to take that kind of dope, however.
23:44 asciilifeform ^ worx in usa for some folx ( see tlp's piece; can sometimes even get it 'while white', e.g. terry davis; but generally only suffices for 'cat food pension' )
23:45 adlai|text also, saltmines pay ~10x as much as disability payment, and the way things work in Israel (and iiuc, most similar economies), the moment you so much as admit to searching for a job, some opposing lawyer begins cutting off your disability payments.
23:45 asciilifeform in usa similar, supposedly they send inspectors, 'is mr x ~really~ invalid? or malingerer' etc
23:45 adlai|text the napkin-level computations I've made suggest that disability payments are only sufficient for buying your own food, if you live with family, and do not contribute to rent.
23:46 * asciilifeform only aware of subj thirdhand, so cannot comment indepth
23:47 adlai|text well, there is some recognition for people being mentally invalid, although it often ends up in "catch-22" situations.
23:47 adlai|text fortunately I do have marketable skills, and it's more a question of compromising on what kind of saltmine I consider reasonable.
23:48 asciilifeform 'what kinda salt mine to rot in' is deeply individual matter
23:48 * adlai|text refuses to apply for dozens of jobs automatically, the same way teenagers apply to dozens of colleges... imo, -EV game
23:49 asciilifeform adlai|text: try the various lolstreet folx, show'em yer old bots etc
23:50 * adlai|text does occasionally get approached by these, it's not difficult to circumvent the various spam filters
23:51 adlai|text most recent time, talks died at "what do you mean, you don't videoconference at a moment's notice!?"
23:51 adlai|text and, disappointingly often, "you had anything to do with cryptocurrency!? gtfo, terrorist"
23:52 * asciilifeform not fwiw to date encountered anyone who gave a shit either way
23:52 adlai|text Israel has strong pressure to always speak the latest buzzwords, even if you are clueless; so people tend to always have opinions one way or another.
23:53 adlai|text it makes me seem old and useless, since I ramble and state ignorance, instead of rushing forwards like a headless chicken.
23:53 asciilifeform adlai|text: rec to stick to folx who far as possible from bitcoin/shitcoin/etc
23:54 adlai|text yeah, that stuff is almost as scrubbed as possible from my most recent resume.
23:54 adlai|text supposedly I'm shooting myself in the foot by not including all those buzzwords... well, I probably wouldn't want the job offers that they'd bring!
23:55 * asciilifeform doesn't presume to have actionable tips for folx who not programmed for 20y; prolly reqs very diff approach to saltmine-finding
23:56 * asciilifeform must bbl
23:56 adlai|text my resume still is 'programmer' resume; simply, has great big "began academic study, then went on indefinite vacation" section covering past few years.
23:56 adlai|text ttyl
23:57 adlai|text it's probably a common situation, because of what the pandemic did to various folks... although I suppose lots of folks benefitted from being able to find remote jobs more easily.
23:58 verisimilitude Hello, adlai|text.
23:59 signpost imho the muslims got this one right. you're permitted to lie to your enemies under duress, including blasphemy.
23:59 signpost stop sitting there twisting your nipples about whether you might have to say "redux" and get a jerb.
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