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00:00 phf asciilifeform: a beach bum lifestyle in mexico will cost you <800$ a month. if you ignore the plan, then yes run out. otherwise /the mp way/ is being extremely and pragmatically stingy with your coin
00:00 asciilifeform well plan also includes 'don't get seriously ill' & other caveats. but sure
00:01 phf young man's game
00:01 asciilifeform aha
00:02 phf also, "seriously ill" is a fraction of cost. what means seriously anyway? suddenly develop a degenerative condition, sure, but then you're fucked either way. my near death experience hardly cost me a coin
00:02 phf and that's at a premium place in moscow
00:03 phf anyway, i'm going to wrap up, because need to have dinner, but from the perspective above, pizaro totally made sense
00:03 * asciilifeform fwiw even when paid for it already did not think it 'made sense' from rational economic pov.
00:04 asciilifeform exactly like fg not made sense
00:04 asciilifeform saw as gamble on ~very~ long odds.
00:04 phf did you read what i wrote?
00:05 * asciilifeform still catching up on log but did read last 20m
00:05 * asciilifeform also gotta dinner, will bbl
00:06 phf anyway, asciilifeform broke my train of thought, and i'm already ancipating all the "but but but my electron microscope" objections, so i'll wrap it up fast
00:07 phf pizaro was a half assed last ditch attempt to force an implementation of the plan on somebody willing
00:08 phf in this case the choice of principal decides the success, bb being a poor bum would've succeeded if pizarro was simply solvent enough to sustain him, thus actually making him a test subject of this wholy btc funded lifestyle
00:12 phf you know the first genuine republican of our myths: a man with a network and skills doing something that contributes to the commons
00:17 phf (i'll take back the "half assed", what i mean is that it was a hail marry)
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00:41 asciilifeform phf: BingoBoingo ftr was a hero of fuel efficiency. ate so little that in fact asciilifeform personally supplied ~100% of the req. fiatola for most of the adventure. problem, however, was that in the scheme were ~too many~ 'microscopes', rather than too few :
00:41 asciilifeform phf: to 'break even', operation would've had not only to run BingoBoingo , but to cover the ~3k$/mo rack, the machines, resupply flights, (future) expansions, etc.
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00:43 phf well yes, netto
00:44 asciilifeform funnily enuff, asciilifeform's isp today is in fact +ev, as piz never was. but naturally 'the glamour is gone'
00:45 phf what glamour?
00:45 * asciilifeform fwiw practices a heretical (per classical tmsr) philosophy of 'how to make btc economy' today.
00:45 dulapbot Logged on 2022-01-14 19:57:24 asciilifeform: recommends his strategy -- of conducting biz in btc strictly to fill a hodl -- to others, but not under illusion that it is generally applicable
00:45 asciilifeform phf: the piz 'we'll make uncensored offshore isp!' glamour
00:47 phf i'm starting to suspect i was part of an entirely different republic :D
00:48 asciilifeform 'Я был на другой войне'((tm)
00:52 phf the glamour of pizaro was that it was republican in details, rather than that it was "offhorse etc."
00:53 * asciilifeform not disagrees, but observes that 'bananistan' was a hard req. and seconded by asciilifeform personally
00:54 phf "out of reach of reich!"
00:54 asciilifeform was the notion.
00:56 phf i can kind of see how that was supposed to happen, i'm not convinced that mp's theory would not have worked. that's a round about way of saying that i've seen approaches like that work, it's just not bb at helm
00:56 asciilifeform almost anyffin, for so long as not in direct opposition to laws of physics, can work..
00:56 phf the strategy is of course fly under the radar, establish significant cash flow, and then use that as a bargaining chip with the local administrataors
00:57 phf i'm talking specifically about "out of reach of reich"
00:57 asciilifeform 'under radar' a++ worked. 'cash flow' not so much.
00:57 dulapbot Logged on 2021-09-05 13:39:21 asciilifeform: raw_avocado: there's an old su joak re subj. 'scientists announce they have discovered a method to make black caviar from petroleum.' 'when can i buy this in the shop?' 'soon; spreading on bread -- already works! but as for eating, not quite yet...'
00:58 phf right.
00:58 asciilifeform the hypothesized demand, not unimportantly, did not materialize.
00:58 dulapbot (trilema) 2017-12-22 deedbot: weevlos voiced for 30 minutes.
00:59 asciilifeform ( rather like 'demand for fg' )
00:59 dulapbot Logged on 2020-08-20 19:00:15 asciilifeform: it is also the case that rng as commercial product is a very questionable biz proposition. it takes quite a bit of 'adulthood' to even get to a place where you actually benefit from a 1000 $ rng. for instance, microshit victims dun really win anyffin from using whatever external rng.
01:00 asciilifeform whether a brilliant marketer, e.g. a resurrected p.t.barnum, could've 'solved' this, is impossible to say. all can say, we didn't have such a one
01:00 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-16 16:57:08 asciilifeform: ( recall, per orig. charter, 100% of onus for marketing was on mp )
01:01 asciilifeform ( and whether 'could've solved' while preserving 'under radar' is a separate q which won't even touch )
01:01 phf i'd rather not exploring two unrelated projects together, using the failures of one or the other when convienient for argument
01:01 * asciilifeform nods
01:01 phf pizaro marketing was on mp?
01:01 asciilifeform link re fg strictly
01:02 phf right, i just don't remember
01:02 asciilifeform piz marketing was on BingoBoingo
01:02 asciilifeform he made an interesting effort in spamology
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01:41 verisimilitude http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101794 An anonymous imageboard occasionally receives spam advertising and containing illegal pornography, usually hosted from a server with a domain name and whatnot. I firmly believe federal agents be to blame, in all or most cases. I'm supposed to believe weaponized data isn't used as a blunt weapon to attack websites in an attempt to bring them down or have their operator
01:41 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 18:56:45 phf: i mean mp wasn't the only one constructing delusions, somebody (i forgot who) had the "fbi at the door" running story, asciilifeform claimed every network disruption was done by feds (*i'm exagerating for comedic effect)
01:52 asciilifeform verisimilitude: see also.
01:52 dulapbot Logged on 2020-09-01 18:40:27 asciilifeform: meanwhile, apropos of nuffin, a lulzy oldie ('14) re who runs most (or all) of the world's remaining usenet isps.
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03:04 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101824 << yep, I was around long enough ago to hear this, and am on the record in dissent
03:04 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 19:23:42 phf: so the republic, the way i saw it, was not supposed to be to mp's financial benefit in the short term, nor was it going to be funded by him.
03:04 dulapbot (trilema) 2019-05-17 trinque: republic is scant of profit centers
03:04 signpost in that this approach did not yield him his stated aims, "could haves" aside.
03:05 signpost doesn't mean he's the bad man; means "that was a neat art project, and no thanks I'm full"
03:06 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101825 << 100% agree. just these being a civilization require a CHOAM.
03:06 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 19:24:47 phf: it was a forum, where by following certain principles that we establish for ourselves we'll be able to solve that framing problem that you brought up
03:07 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101827 << "I'm going to spray you boys at a brick wall and see what comes out the other side"
03:07 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 19:31:13 phf: acquire as much btc as you possibly can by any means possible, e.g. sell all your assets and invest them into btc, get a bunch of fiat debt and buy btc, if you have nothing to sell and you can't take on debt, then spend most of your paycheck (i believe one of the articles said %90 or whatever) on btc for some period
03:07 signpost this is traditional, I realize.
03:11 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101834 << perhaps I need some help seeing why this was much easier for me in meatspace than within the parameters set by the guy
03:11 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 19:43:02 phf: now what your business actually is is sort of your business. some of it was emergent from the needs of the republic (e.g. deedbot), some of it was suggested by mp. you're basically doing a full startup, with the above requirements and realities in mind
03:11 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 19:44:42 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101802 << from asciilifeform's pov, this was 'beginning of end'
03:12 signpost which I'll probably irritate you by rendering as "why aren't you talking to anyone?" but "not to them!!11!"
03:15 phf i don't think the plan was a hazing ritual, hard to say which things about the man were true and which weren't, but i'm pretty sure the plan is basically the same thing he did himself
03:18 signpost anyway I'm fine to stop talking of MP as the punching bag. it's the definition of this on an ongoing basis that's interesting.
03:18 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-05 00:21:26 signpost: phf: what of the idea that "god" was this superlative man we could stop crying and carry on writing about?
03:18 signpost the idea that we didn't apply the plan correctly is even worthwhile. I'm probably going to dump a silly amount of cash into BTC, cash I got more recently than the last bull run.
03:20 * signpost agrees there would be much of MP in such an archetypical great man. maybe we update the code a bit, make sure the next one has one of the bitches delegated to remind "remember, you are mortal"
03:22 signpost and who else am I going to give an ulcer about what it meant if not you gents.
03:22 phf i don't actually think that the plan was mp's sole invention, not in a sense that somebody else did it, but that it was self evident from the way the republic was, and the written form was a formalization (or you could say a clarification for everyone who didn't get it by then)
03:23 signpost if it's not solely his, good, I'm not hitting the punching bag. I don't think being the old dragon works well for the problems I care about.
03:25 phf and here's another point, the goal was individual sovereignty, rather then fast cars through hodl. that's kind of like at the core of the whole project. tmsr was supposed to facilitate this sovereignty and provide the forum for the sovereigs
03:25 signpost maybe BTC continues the parabolic run. if so we'll all be astonishingly rich.
03:26 signpost I drive a $16k truck, and when BTC is $300k per coin, I will still drive that truck.
03:27 signpost aren't we describing the same project?
03:27 phf i'm having doubts :)
03:29 signpost hard to do this seriously when "fast cars through hodl" is what you've got of what I've said.
03:29 signpost I can grunt that I find individual sovereignty of the kind espoused in tmsr solipsistic.
03:30 signpost and then we're just trading barbs.
03:31 phf signpost: i'm trying to establish if we're even on the same page as to what tmsr was, rather than if it was a good thing or not
03:31 phf also fast cars through hodl was not a comment on anything you said, and fuck you
03:34 phf i think it's hard to formulate these thoughts as it is to also have to engage in pointless confrontational sparing over every word
03:34 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2015-05-05#1121597
03:34 dulapbot (trilema) 2015-05-05 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121404 << ftr he's readiong between the lines correctly.
03:34 signpost this was/is my model of what we were doing.
03:35 signpost it's pretty strange that when talking to you, I take your words as true representations of what you believe.
03:35 signpost and this leads straight to riling you up.
03:38 phf signpost: is there anything connecting fast cars through hodl to anything you said? like at all
03:41 signpost if you're making a soliloquy instead my mistake.
03:43 signpost I was remarking earlier to my wife that I don't think I have ever had so many mangled packets back and forth with anyone else.
03:43 signpost it's truly bizarre.
03:45 signpost at any rate, mp seems to have confirmed my interpretation of tmsr there. it was at least the goal with which I was aligned.
03:49 phf i frankly don't know anymore what this conversation is about. because i was answering the question "how does piz makes sense", which was sort of dropped. instead we opened up a bunch of new threads.
03:50 signpost you proposed something that tmsr was about, and I provided you a response pertinent to that notion.
03:50 mats this is the nicest ten hour argument i've ever seen
03:50 signpost is it that you cannot imagine that the two threads are connected, or that you don't think me able to connect them, or what?
03:51 signpost all of those would be fine things to say explicitly.
03:51 signpost mats: what, I don't even dislike the guy.
03:55 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2015-05-05#1121599 << just to put the more relevant line in this log.
03:55 dulapbot (trilema) 2015-05-05 mircea_popescu: im not making a different country. i'm making THESE countries. let the reds make "their own country", on fucking mars preferably.
03:55 signpost hear fucking hear to this ^
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04:11 phf well, ok, did i answer your question in http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101809 ?
04:11 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 19:09:08 signpost: explain to me how this was the brainchild of a man of srs bsns with the amount of btc he claimed.
04:11 signpost yep
04:12 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2016-01-27#1387073 << in his own words.
04:12 dulapbot (trilema) 2016-01-27 mircea_popescu: so, how about : you show me you can in fact live like a man, rather than as a welfare child, and then i show you where there are partisans, to believe.
04:14 * asciilifeform thought then , and still nao, that 'mighty rich' for fella sitting on pile of racketeered (and then 'btc mooned') dough to speak to folx who work for living and say 'yer a welfare child'
04:14 signpost sure, *his* own words.
04:14 asciilifeform aha
04:15 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2016-01-27#1387075 << I'll even acknowledge the kindness in the second half of this sentence.
04:15 dulapbot (trilema) 2016-01-27 mircea_popescu: but until such a time, i'll extend those dudes trying to do stuff the same slack i extend you, which is : who knows, maybe they are what they wish to be instead of what their environment seems to dictate. and maybe one day.
04:16 signpost asciilifeform: the exit scam took me by surprise. oughtn't have, but did.
04:17 asciilifeform signpost: recall, asciilifeform not surprised: it was consistent with 'i own this planet, you lice are just infesting it' pov
04:17 signpost I see a pretty complex mixture of both in the same character, certainly.
04:18 asciilifeform '19-fin trilema consisted mainly of over9000 km of this
04:18 signpost at any rate, this is indeed less interesting than "what the hell do, and why" now.
04:18 signpost but can inform what not.
04:18 asciilifeform 'went to norway, it suxx, someone oughta burn it' 'went to vienna, it suxx, burn it' etc
04:19 signpost yep
04:21 asciilifeform in asciilifeform's pov, d00d cut off own hands & feet, then griped 'world suxx' until curtain.
04:21 signpost practically speaking, I expect life to get much more dangerous, and believe that this project will only be more useful.
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04:21 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-31 23:08:56 signpost: it's above any particular goal. it's the refinement engine for meaning-making.
04:22 * signpost imports the traditional definition of republic in TMSR, because there's an R at the end.
04:23 signpost so yes, I get to connect everything to everything else and demand it all make sense, as my doing so is my contribution to the meaning refinery.
04:24 * asciilifeform found, and finds, the terminology appealing, but cautions against 'suggestively-named lisp tokens'(tm)
04:24 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-11 15:58:16 asciilifeform: mats: do you remember the 'suggestively-named lisp token' thread ?
04:25 verisimilitude This was a cryptocurrency?
04:25 asciilifeform verisimilitude: see src
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04:26 * signpost reading
04:28 signpost sure, it's a reasonable admonition. "we called it republic, and therefore..."
04:28 asciilifeform terminology has a dangerously seductive power to satisfy folx long in advance of anyffin interesting being achieved.
04:28 signpost whatever one wishes to call the process where folks sit around the campfire and pick out eachother's mind parasites like brotherly primates, that.
04:28 signpost the iterated that.
04:31 signpost bad metaphor; will stick with refining meaning-making.
04:31 signpost it's not a purification rite.
04:31 asciilifeform is entirely systematizable process, like newton's method.
04:32 asciilifeform asciilifeform's observation is re the 'doing' being considerably moar important than the naming.
04:32 asciilifeform hence asciilifeform's predilection for 'unsexy' names. 'pest', not 'reich remover', etc
04:33 asciilifeform 'sitters around fire', rather than 'republic'
04:33 verisimilitude It's best to avoid needing names, but the few names remaining should be particularly pleasant.
04:34 asciilifeform 'what he should do instead is refer to this main loop as "G0034" and see if he can convince himself or anyone else that G0034 implements some part of understanding'.
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04:34 * signpost perfectly happy without high pretense.
04:34 * asciilifeform must bbl
04:38 verisimilitude http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1101995 Oh, I've already read this.
04:38 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-12 00:23:53 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: see src
04:43 signpost incidentally I grew to like the name pentacle when I started seeing the symbol as an idealized WoT representation.
04:44 * signpost to bed also
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08:51 crtdaydreams http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1101988 << re-read that thread. my heart leaped when I read this stupid interjection I reconsidered for a couple seconds if I was the one who wrote that... crazy how much you can change in a month and a half.
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08:51 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-12 00:19:54 signpost: practically speaking, I expect life to get much more dangerous, and believe that this project will only be more useful.
08:51 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-31 23:39:58 crtdaydreams: bake 100`000`000`000 shitcoin; sell one for $50; ???; profit.
08:52 crtdaydreams even re-reading a few of my earlier interactions here I easily come across as a complete fuckwit
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09:19 verisimilitude Don't worry; it just gets worse.
09:20 verisimilitude I regret nothing here, but there's always some interaction, decades ago, to recall.
09:20 crtdaydreams eh. wait what?
09:21 crtdaydreams you've been here for *that* long?
09:21 verisimilitude Well, I'm a different case, so I'll elaborate.
09:21 verisimilitude A normal person will usually be in a cycle of this, and continually regret past actions, or something like this.
09:21 crtdaydreams be my guest, open air innit?
09:22 verisimilitude I used to feel regret, but decided to stop a while back. I've not felt remorse in something like a decade now.
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09:22 crtdaydreams wow, edgy.
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09:23 crtdaydreams I seriously don't see it as a negative thing though?
09:23 crtdaydreams I think it's important as an indicator of growth.
09:23 verisimilitude All it took was deciding I was no longer going to blame any past actions on my past self; my current self at the time was grown, and that was that.
09:24 verisimilitude I still ``grow as a person'', sure, but I never look back at something stupid I've said or written and cringe, because I no longer act without thinking beforehand.
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09:24 crtdaydreams What do you mean by "no longer going to blame any past actions on my past self"
09:25 verisimilitude ``Look at what I did last year. I was so immature, but not now.''
09:25 verisimilitude ``Look at what I did last year. I was so immature, but not now.''
09:25 verisimilitude It can repeat indefinitely.
09:25 crtdaydreams It just sounds like you're insecure.
09:26 verisimilitude I may have been.
09:26 verisimilitude I'm not now.
09:26 crtdaydreams clarification; saying "Look what I did last year..." == insecurity
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09:27 crtdaydreams http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1102031 << alright, I get what you're saying here and I don't disagree.
09:27 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-12 05:22:58 verisimilitude: I still ``grow as a person'', sure, but I never look back at something stupid I've said or written and cringe, because I no longer act without thinking beforehand.
09:27 verisimilitude No, that's reflection.
09:29 crtdaydreams Cringing at the incarnation of your past self doesn't equate to growth.
09:30 crtdaydreams But blaming past actions on past self is something different.
09:32 verisimilitude I no longer cringe, because I no longer do things beside which I won't stand.
09:32 crtdaydreams It doesn't neccessarily mean it's bad to have a look at something you said or did and have a chuckle or cringe. I would argue that it's important to have those moments, as it's at least indicative of some form of reflection, albeit superficial.
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09:33 crtdaydreams reminds me of this
09:34 crtdaydreams verisimilitude: that would imply then that the only form of "growth" for you is subjective.
09:35 crtdaydreams also, at some point I think it's important to transcend the rudimentary binary of "based vs cringe"
09:36 verisimilitude I never mentioned ``based'' nonsense; to cringe is a genuine verb, crtdaydreams.
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09:36 verisimilitude I refuse to allow fools to shorten my vocabulary.
09:36 verisimilitude How is growth not subjective?
09:37 crtdaydreams I never said growth is not subjective.
09:37 crtdaydreams I only made the point that it is not merely subjective.
09:38 verisimilitude Okay.
09:40 crtdaydreams For example, a form of growth would be begot in validation.
09:43 crtdaydreams This is rather fruitless banter.
09:44 verisimilitude I was giving advice.
09:46 crtdaydreams verisimilitude: the first part was good advice. but my derailment into objectivity and subjectivity was rather fruitless.
09:47 verisimilitude We agree.
09:47 crtdaydreams change of tack; would be curious as to thoughts on MBTI and mebbe results (if you're willing to share)
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09:47 dulapbot (trilema) 2015-07-26 trinque: I bothered to take the first myers-briggs test on your penultimate post
09:48 crtdaydreams would be interesting to here more about it from signpost
09:50 crtdaydreams I've taken the lackluster test on 16personalities multiple times over last few years once per yr ~approx~ and gotten the same result every time.
09:51 verisimilitude Provide a link.
09:51 crtdaydreams webshit link
09:52 crtdaydreams It's supposed to be based off Jungian archetypes
09:52 crtdaydreams but I find it's misused and is more akin to astrology
09:53 crtdaydreams pretty interesting results though
09:54 * crtdaydreams guesses verisimilitude is INTJ
09:54 crtdaydreams -A
09:56 crtdaydreams will bbl to hopefully hear result(s)
09:59 verisimilitude ``Your personality type is: Architect INTJ-A''
10:06 crtdaydreams lul
10:16 crtdaydreams verisimilitude: doing any reading or dgaf?
10:18 verisimilitude Yes; I intend to finish the book I'll be reviewing on 2022-05-15.
10:19 verisimilitude I'm in the twentieth chapter, CAPITVLVM VĪCĒSIMVM, of my Latin book.
10:20 crtdaydreams decode that last bit of latin for me will ya?
10:20 verisimilitude ``twentieth chapter''
10:20 verisimilitude CAPITVLVM VĪCĒSIMVM
10:21 verisimilitude The VĪGINTĪ is twenty and VĪCĒSIMVM twentieth.
10:21 crtdaydreams there ya go, learn somthing new everyday. "Capital" is derived from chapter, which probably has deeper roots/meanings
10:22 crtdaydreams can't keep things simple and stick with IIVX
10:22 crtdaydreams *XII
10:24 verisimilitude These words are related to CAPVT CAPITIS meaning ``head''.
10:24 verisimilitude The plural is CAPITA.
10:30 crtdaydreams That makes more sense.
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13:15 signpost https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/nvidia-releases-open-source-gpu-kernel-modules/ << huh, nb
13:17 signpost ah nvm, there's still a giant closed binwad component.
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13:51 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1102015 << this is one of the great benefits of using a hypertext log for discourse.
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13:51 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-12 04:49:20 crtdaydreams: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1101988 << re-read that thread. my heart leaped when I read this stupid interjection I reconsidered for a couple seconds if I was the one who wrote that... crazy how much you can change in a month and a half.
13:52 signpost just think what a fuckwit you'll think your former self in a few years. as well you should, if you're growing at all.
13:52 signpost one can see all manner of fuckwit-ism coming out of me in the old logs. and it'll be there forever, and good.
13:54 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1102026 << this is the right mindset *if* it enables dispassionate analysis of one's prior state, rather than escape.
13:54 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-12 05:20:45 verisimilitude: I used to feel regret, but decided to stop a while back. I've not felt remorse in something like a decade now.
13:54 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1102027 << this is a stupid, contentless retort.
13:54 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-12 05:21:02 crtdaydreams: wow, edgy.
13:56 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1102039 << wrong. it is impossible to grow without searching yourself for error.
13:56 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-12 05:24:46 crtdaydreams: clarification; saying "Look what I did last year..." == insecurity
13:58 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1102046 << the fixation on evaluating the matter in emotional terms gets in your way. doesn't matter how you *feel* about your past self; matters what it tells you about your present circumstances.
13:58 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-12 05:30:39 crtdaydreams: It doesn't neccessarily mean it's bad to have a look at something you said or did and have a chuckle or cringe. I would argue that it's important to have those moments, as it's at least indicative of some form of reflection, albeit superficial.
13:59 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1102050 << yes, stop thinking in slogans.
13:59 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-12 05:34:28 verisimilitude: I never mentioned ``based'' nonsense; to cringe is a genuine verb, crtdaydreams.
14:01 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1102061 << "all models are wrong, some useful" comes to mind.
14:01 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-12 05:45:28 crtdaydreams: change of tack; would be curious as to thoughts on MBTI and mebbe results (if you're willing to share)
14:02 shinohai gm signpost, all o/
14:03 * signpost thought he was introverted until he had better people in his life, and then found he rather benefited from and enjoyed being able to blither ideas at others.
14:03 shinohai $ticker btc usd
14:03 busybot Current BTC price in USD: $27974.41
14:03 signpost shinohai: good morning!
14:03 * asciilifeform waves
14:07 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1102031 << this is more/less the nietzschean algo. most people stop with his pronouncement of god being dead, rather than continuing to this.
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14:07 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-12 05:22:58 verisimilitude: I still ``grow as a person'', sure, but I never look back at something stupid I've said or written and cringe, because I no longer act without thinking beforehand.
14:07 signpost question of what's one's relationship to time.
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14:08 signpost re BTC... it's had heavy correlation with nasdaq for iirc 4yrs now.
14:08 signpost splat.
14:09 shinohai http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1102090 << I always liked that about tmsr forum, if one said something stupid then it forces you to reflect on it and perhaps not be so dumb in future.
14:09 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-12 09:49:37 signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1102015 << this is one of the great benefits of using a hypertext log for discourse.
14:10 signpost mhm!
14:15 billymg signpost: embedded widgets for fearful middle -- perhaps you're thinking of some kind of autonomous home defense / surveillance system that isn't part of amazon's botnet like every other product in that space?
14:15 bitbot Logged on 2022-05-11 18:24:10 signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101422 << would be 100% welcome. perhaps in re: what constitutes a sane, distributed control plane for embedded widgets.
14:15 bitbot Logged on 2022-05-11 18:41:16 signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101423 << perhaps the fearful middle during collapse, I think.
14:15 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 13:44:20 asciilifeform: would happily participate in signpost's scheme but likely is wrong type of plumber
14:15 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-11 13:50:34 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101395 << outta curiosity, what counts as 'soft target' ?
14:16 signpost billymg: that is exactly what I'm thinking about.
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14:16 billymg who in the fearful middle wouldn't want a swarm of these patrolling his ranch
14:16 billymg very cool!
14:16 billymg would get fiat as well as btc customers most likely
14:16 signpost I want to be on my feet with my rifle in hand before anyone gets to the front door.
14:16 signpost w/e solves that.
14:17 signpost and yes, without strengthening the panopticon in the process.
14:19 signpost this might even be a gateway into wot-tronics for normies. consider what peering with trusted neighbors might provide.
14:20 * shinohai would mount the firearm on drones ....
14:20 signpost "hey bud, object moving in the direction of your place, at x,y,z"
14:20 signpost eh firearm in human hands for quite a while, I'd say.
14:21 signpost but modularity in such a product line's a good thing.
14:21 billymg imo best offensive application of drones is kamikaze style
14:22 billymg small disposable ones that self destruct on impact or whatever
14:22 billymg impact with target only ideally, not tree branch
14:23 signpost situational awareness is enough of a product, without inviting the militaries of earth to come kill you.
14:23 signpost also keep in mind the device oughta be assumed to get hacked eventually.
14:24 billymg right, even having a grid of fixed cameras scattered around your property, that are not Amazon Nest(tm), would be a win
14:24 * signpost cautions against the "and then the world!" hubris in design of the thing.
14:24 signpost yep
14:25 * asciilifeform played recreationally with microchoppers, regards'em as brittle & ultra-fiddly from 'erryday practical' pov
14:25 billymg re: drones, if it's the republican model then the customer gets the base version and can add "upgrades" as he sees fit
14:25 signpost sure, belongs to them. as asciilifeform points out, I'd start way simpler.
14:25 asciilifeform for perimeter security, would prefer roof/tree/pole-mounted cameras with some reasonably image processing
14:25 signpost tell me when something the size of long-pig enters a perimeter, and put it on the cameras.
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14:25 signpost right
14:30 asciilifeform re 'exotica' -- cheap/encapsulated/mesh-netted/rf-powered cameras that could be e.g. cemented into walls, afaik unfilled market
14:43 thimbronion http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1102125 << very cool. South African farmers would be a good target market.
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14:43 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-12 10:14:28 signpost: billymg: that is exactly what I'm thinking about.
14:57 phf http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1102152 << i did a perimeter security system for ivory coast government, camera/motion sensor/capacitive sensor. for logistical reasons didn't get to go on deploy, which is major regret: business partner went and brought back a bunch of tony stark/lord of war photos
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14:57 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-12 10:42:02 thimbronion: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1102125 << very cool. South African farmers would be a good target market.
15:03 signpost wow that's a fun project.
15:03 phf this was during my lisp only consulting years, so it was done in lisp. video grid, interactive indicident analysis map, a handful of custom keyboard "point of sale" style. had some smart features (e.g. spatial aware incident elevation/propapagation allowed one to cycle through status elevated feeds only)
15:05 phf windows lispworks of course :> your sensors run to switches that are all kinds of milspec and the topology of that is established by security people, so you get a dll that talks whatever protocol with the switches
15:09 phf had no idea what i was doing, perimeter security people seemed to be ok with it, but also we were "the experts" kek. of course the way we got a contract is through gov official's son who we knew from dc club scene
15:09 phf WHICH IS HOW THINGS ARE DONE
15:12 signpost just good old wot traversal; nothing wrong with it.
15:13 * signpost currently poking through alibaba for cameras. open ears if anyone recs a distributor.
15:13 signpost the chinese really like making cameras.
15:15 signpost was thinking of tacking one to a rockchip board that has video encoding acceleration to start.
15:15 thimbronion http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1102154 << wow
15:15 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-12 10:55:51 phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1102152 << i did a perimeter security system for ivory coast government, camera/motion sensor/capacitive sensor. for logistical reasons didn't get to go on deploy, which is major regret: business partner went and brought back a bunch of tony stark/lord of war photos
15:17 asciilifeform phf: nifty
15:18 asciilifeform is imho 'underappreciated, unsexy' field with much room for 'things that actually work' to be sold
15:18 asciilifeform esp. on konsoomer level, where outright junk is ~100% of the current offerings
15:21 asciilifeform ( and imho ties nicely into the 'avionics' thread. where can buy even simple ethernet camera which doesn't crash erry 3-6mo ? why not make one ? )
15:22 * asciilifeform bought a place with 'state of art' alarm system, which, unsurprisingly, outrageous pile of shit in over9000 ways
15:24 billymg i've come to the conclusion that any surveillance system sold to consumers these days is 100% for surveilling the consumer
15:24 billymg and zero else
15:24 asciilifeform billymg: the konsoomer, his neighbours, etc
15:24 billymg exactly
15:25 asciilifeform hilariously, even from that pov, junk
15:25 asciilifeform e.g. house came with lulazon cameras nailed to the doors. both had stone-dead batteries
15:39 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1102149 << with reasonable softs, 2-3 'geophones' one could cast into cement of sidewalk could give quite accurate picture of whether man or beast (good % of usa has deer) and where walking, and even what he's muttering under his breath
15:39 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-12 10:24:13 signpost: tell me when something the size of long-pig enters a perimeter, and put it on the cameras.
15:40 asciilifeform and, bonus, inconspicuous
15:51 signpost yeah, I was curious about accelerometers, but this seems better.
15:53 asciilifeform general heuristic there is '1 -- move complexity from iron into soft; 2 -- write softs which actually work'
15:57 asciilifeform a well-made geophone setup oughta be able to tell you even e.g. whether you have mice.
15:58 asciilifeform ( and in general, how much weighs the fella who just stepped on your sidewalk )
16:01 signpost highly applicable to me getting out of bed for long pig, and not coyotes.
16:12 signpost https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11744 << has single units. I'll order some.
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16:23 asciilifeform signpost: 1 of those things that'd win from old fashioned experimentation. ( conceivably the ideal microphone would be a set of ordinary piezos epoxied to a 'xylophone' of differently-sized ceramic bars, for diff. freqs )
16:24 asciilifeform signpost: the linked <240hz item prolly entirely adequate for footsteps etc. you'll want a differential amplifier.
16:25 asciilifeform will want 3 of'em, triangulate.
16:25 signpost yep
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17:51 mats cool
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19:20 verisimilitude This amused me.
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20:59 mats i think this kind of thing is commonly known as seismic intrusion detection systems
21:02 mats can't find an available consumer product with object recognition though
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21:21 asciilifeform mats: in 'golden toilet' market segment strictly, afaik
21:29 asciilifeform see also well-known american example from vietnam war era.
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23:32 mats would be a fun project with an nvidia jetson
23:34 mats but what if you're under attack by centaurs
23:35 mats or men with snowshoes
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