| 01:58 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
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~ 52 minutes ~ |
| 02:50 |
phf |
asciilifeform: there's a shout out to you in an article that's floating around https://applied-langua.ge/posts/i-dont-want-to-go-to-chel-c.html#org12582b4 |
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| 02:54 |
asciilifeform |
phf: ha, neato |
| 02:54 |
asciilifeform |
phf: where found this piece ? |
| 02:55 |
asciilifeform |
maybe could invite author here |
| 02:57 |
* |
asciilifeform finally soldered the last, for nao, pipe... tomorrow will see whether, lol, holds water |
| 02:57 |
phf |
asciilifeform: somebody i recently discussed uxn with saw it on hackernews |
| 02:57 |
asciilifeform |
a |
| 02:59 |
phf |
author makes a similar argument to your http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-16#1102678 but against uxn. (why build another slow c machine, when maybe can try something different, something that's faster and safer and such) |
| 02:59 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-05-16 17:42:52 asciilifeform: it's a plain old 'cmachine'. (vs e.g.) |
| 03:00 |
* |
asciilifeform still reading, but lulling over the benchmark, turns out the thing makes 'm' look fast in comparison |
| 03:01 |
phf |
it is to be fair a hipster vanity project, with a e s t h e t i c as major driving factor, but still.. |
| 03:02 |
asciilifeform |
on surface read it looked decent for what it was ( 'colourforth' rerun ), asciilifeform didn't even notice it capped regs to 16bit , lol |
| 03:03 |
asciilifeform |
there's no fundamental reason for a forth to suffer this kinda braindamage |
| 03:07 |
asciilifeform |
'writing "simple" software that does not achieve much on its own will does not lead to the user benefiting from simplicity. Simplicity needs to be pervasive through the system, and further in the context it resides in, for one to benefit from it. Invoking that "simple code is easier to reason about" to defend unsafe programming languages rings hollow, when the language used produces many edge cases that either require |
| 03:07 |
asciilifeform |
more complex code to check for, or for all users of the code to carefully avoid those cases. It similarly does not help to use a programming platform which is simple to write a slow implementation for...' |
| 03:08 |
asciilifeform |
d00d evidently 'gets it'. |
| 03:08 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-19 16:28:25 asciilifeform: ( perhaps interestingly, attempts to solve nontrivial problems on 'parsimonius' pseudo-machine instr sets even ~more~ ugly invariably. 'the scheme disease' ) |
| 03:08 |
* |
asciilifeform takes off hat |
| 03:08 |
asciilifeform |
( and see also ) |
| 03:08 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2015-08-07 asciilifeform: hence naggum pissing on scheme as a 'pedo' language that is only loved by folks who like the embryonic stage of things when they have no wrinkles (by his lights) |
| 03:10 |
phf |
lol, i pulled comments from various aggregators, people are foaming. |
| 03:11 |
asciilifeform |
unsurprise |
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~ 24 minutes ~ |
| 03:35 |
asciilifeform |
meanwhile, in the schizo reservations... |
| 03:37 |
phf |
url was more fun than content |
| 03:38 |
asciilifeform |
tldr: 'zoomer' maintainer at tbtfco of an eliza decided 'it's alive!', started 'defending its rights', finally sacked |
| 03:39 |
phf |
ahaha |
| 03:39 |
* |
asciilifeform recalls ancient su children's book, nao sadly forgotten title, where posed q 'should i say thank-you to the lift in my hruscheba?' |
| 03:42 |
phf |
well the fact that bot is "girl" might also have something to do with something :> |
| 03:42 |
phf |
taking simping to next level there |
| 03:42 |
asciilifeform |
oblig |
| 03:42 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-05-12 00:32:20 asciilifeform: 'what he should do instead is refer to this main loop as "G0034" and see if he can convince himself or anyone else that G0034 implements some part of understanding'. |
| 03:46 |
asciilifeform |
"girl" << 'Пупарас Трыг — Мое Сердце Прыг!'(tm)(r)(v.pelevin) |
| 03:47 |
phf |
classic |
| 03:47 |
asciilifeform |
there's a surprisingly edible brit transl. btw. |
| 03:48 |
* |
asciilifeform has dead tree, but no warez atm |
| 03:49 |
phf |
i've stopped caring about translations. girl is not particularly interested in modern fiction, read karenina and such, and i've literally not once had somebody read my recommendation |
| 03:50 |
phf |
in fact crtdaydreams reading taor might be first! |
| 03:50 |
* |
asciilifeform regularly feeds pet ( whose orcish mebbe at 5th grade level atm ) various strange in translation, incl. self-baked |
| 03:50 |
phf |
hah same |
| 03:51 |
phf |
well, by somebody i mean friends and strangers |
| 03:51 |
asciilifeform |
a |
| 03:52 |
phf |
yeah, that statement is getting a lot of exceptions, but i've actually kind of given up. what is it people don't read anymore? not long form anyway.. |
| 03:53 |
* |
asciilifeform knows 'people who read longform' but certainly notenuff for 'army'. platoon, at most. |
| 03:53 |
asciilifeform |
could perhaps muster a company, if tried hard. |
| 04:04 |
phf |
come to think of it i read anathem on your recommendation. is a thick book.. |
| 04:06 |
phf |
"Ukraine to Ban ‘War and Peace’ From Being Taught in Schools" |
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~ 1 hours 18 minutes ~ |
| 05:25 |
verisimilitude |
I just wrote over one hundred lines of Ada for a little UDP program; it felt good. |
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~ 1 hours 3 minutes ~ |
| 06:28 |
verisimilitude |
Gee, I avoid mentioning a rag, and then asciilifeform goes and does it anyway. |
| 06:30 |
verisimilitude |
They should make these models public, but they're keeping the underage models all for themselves. |
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~ 8 hours 37 minutes ~ |
| 15:07 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: they keep these under wraps for entirely logical reason. |
| 15:07 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-14 13:43:52 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: academitards ~never share working src. because typically there aint one (if there's anyffin resembling a proggy -- it's a pile of rigged demo bullshit which shits out the charts that go into the paper liquishit, rarely anyffin moar) |
| 15:09 |
asciilifeform |
... if published src, the imponade would go 'where last year's snow'. |
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| 16:51 |
punkman |
"After lying flat, a new trend among China's youth is to 'let it rot (bai lan)' which worries CCP" |
| 16:57 |
punkman |
I wonder how the chinese manage to NEET without western-style welfare |
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| 16:59 |
punkman |
was watching new adam curtis series yesterday, Can't Get You Out of My Head (2021): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNsoMfuZZqk |
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~ 46 minutes ~ |
| 17:46 |
punkman |
Hypernormalisation (2016) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thLgkQBFTPw << this one seems to have become more relevant in past couple years |
| 17:49 |
punkman |
can't get enough of all those historical clips. at 4:00 you can see the day New York City was holding bond auction, and all the bankers decided not to show up. |
| 17:51 |
verisimilitude |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-12#1106061 No, it's a sweet little itty-bitty child, you monsters. |
| 17:51 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-06-12 11:06:46 asciilifeform: ... if published src, the imponade would go 'where last year's snow'. |
| 17:51 |
punkman |
then bankers insisted on creation of committee that would manage NYC finances, with 8 of 10 members being bankers |
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~ 1 hours 20 minutes ~ |
| 19:12 |
verisimilitude |
The other two were relatives, right? |
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~ 1 hours 2 minutes ~ |
| 20:14 |
punkman |
lulz "The 2020-2021 strategy review recognised that climate change has implications for price stability and led to a commitment to take into account, within the ECB’s mandate, the implications of climate change and the carbon transition for monetary policy and central banking." |
| 20:14 |
punkman |
(src https://www.europarl.europa.eu/factsheets/en/sheet/86/european-monetary-policy ) |
| 20:15 |
punkman |
"The Governing Council adopted a climate-related action plan aimed at incorporating climate factors in monetary policy assessments, expanding analytical capacity related to climate change" |
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~ 24 minutes ~ |
| 20:39 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-12#1106063 << same as over9000 redditus in west reich -- mooching off relatives |
| 20:39 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-06-12 12:55:13 punkman: I wonder how the chinese manage to NEET without western-style welfare |
| 20:40 |
phf |
asciilifeform: hey you know if there's rack or half racks that you can place in "dirty" environment. i guess it's generally just needs to be cloasable, with a vent that can be run using a flex duct |
| 20:40 |
phf |
bonus point if maybe it has its own provision for AC |
| 20:41 |
phf |
(as in personal experience, can find things on google but they range from 300$ to 2000$ to "request quote") |
| 20:42 |
asciilifeform |
phf: indeed there is! asciilifeform recently bought one, encloses on all sides and with duct. unfortunately was vintage unit, can't link to a vendor ( by all indications housed classic pdp or sumsuch, 'made in usa' and weighs like 4 asciilifeforms ) |
| 20:42 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-22 17:13:08 asciilifeform: spent most of day picking up his very 1st selfstanding 42u rack, 300kg monster from '70s, in 'pdp-8 blue' |
| 20:42 |
asciilifeform |
scrap man let it go for ~700 iirc |
| 20:42 |
asciilifeform |
phf: generally oughta prowl craigslist/ebay/similar or commercial folx fire sale etc |
| 20:43 |
phf |
can you see what the label says when you have a chance? possibly easier to find right track this way |
| 20:43 |
asciilifeform |
re ac, you can mount the type which has 2 ducts, 1 to rack, 1 outta window |
| 20:43 |
asciilifeform |
phf: i'ma look but dun recall seeing a label other than 'usa' |
| 20:44 |
asciilifeform |
'adult size' is 42u nominally but iirc mine actually 44 |
| 20:45 |
asciilifeform |
depending on what's going in it -- if e.g. pile of ups, you'll want a welded steel thing (like asciilifeform's) rather than bolt-together kit |
| 20:45 |
asciilifeform |
they're a bitch to move, take 1 (ideally 2) extra pairs of hands |
| 20:45 |
asciilifeform |
44u fits in 'f150' 6ft bed exactly |
| 20:46 |
phf |
i'm sort of now thinking maybe should just weld own… |
| 20:46 |
phf |
housing doesn't need to be "smart", can just put plywood and seal |
| 20:46 |
asciilifeform |
can weld own, if you can find the bars (drilling'em yerself to precise spacing i'd expect is painful) |
| 20:46 |
asciilifeform |
some folx make outta wood |
| 20:47 |
* |
asciilifeform was resigned to 'weld own' then finally turned up ancient mammonth |
| 20:48 |
phf |
i guess all i really need is rails, which will give hooks and spacing, mount them on e.g. wood frame |
| 20:48 |
phf |
i guess i can start searching locals, really it's more like your locals than my locals, will have to do a run either way. there's no "pdp rackmount sitting in warehouse" in western maryland ;) |
| 20:49 |
asciilifeform |
bolt in sumthing small on each end (e.g. 19" mains strip) and then get correct spacing, aha |
| 20:49 |
* |
asciilifeform bought from oddball scrap dealer, he had precisely 1 |
| 20:49 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-22 19:07:46 asciilifeform: d00d had a buncha weird shit -- e.g. a gigantic faux 19th c. globe, which swung open to reveal compartment for pistol. |
| 20:49 |
asciilifeform |
took coupla mo. to turn up |
| 20:50 |
phf |
"not sure what for, but things welded together in the 80s always bring /some/ buyer" |
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~ 27 minutes ~ |
| 21:17 |
verisimilitude |
It's quite pleasant to go through and fix the little visibility errors and minor type mismatches as I get the Ada program to compile. |
| 21:21 |
asciilifeform |
phf: how 'dirty' is the 'dirty' envir.? (if it's e.g. wood shop, gotta filter intake air or will grind up fans) |
| 21:22 |
phf |
shop |
| 21:22 |
phf |
thinking of moving servers from office (which is on second floor and hot) to basement which is shop and cold, but dirty |
| 21:23 |
* |
asciilifeform doing exactly this in new pad, complete with fibers through pipe for displays etc |
| 21:23 |
asciilifeform |
rec'd unit ftr for this. |
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| 21:23 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-14 11:19:41 asciilifeform: wholly unrelatedly to anyffin, on the off chance anyone finds himself in this situation, the only unit (of half dozen tested) found to work 100% was the 'SNAOC20V201A' by 'ruipro'. |
| 21:24 |
* |
asciilifeform tested a pile of various, turned up precisely 1 that actually worx at 4k@60hz |
| 21:24 |
asciilifeform |
comes in iirc up to 100m spool. |
| 21:24 |
phf |
how do you connect keyboard/etc? |
| 21:25 |
asciilifeform |
hub<->usb to fiber box on ea. end |
| 21:26 |
phf |
what's the fiber box product id :> |
| 21:26 |
* |
asciilifeform goes to look |
| 21:27 |
phf |
i'll ask you more questions about this. i've only started looking at it, so far things i've found were unsatisfying. but if fiber was good enough for symbolics™ |
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| 21:29 |
phf |
i have like 20t storage on a zfs in a server, yet i'm watching movies off a macbook pro :> at some point this solution became wholy unsatisfying |
| 21:29 |
asciilifeform |
phf: it's a this, but can't rec , not properly tested yet ( still in its crate ) |
| 21:30 |
phf |
i want a bolix like setup: terminals in various rooms that are running off the basement server, etc. |
| 21:30 |
* |
asciilifeform still slowly assembling the setup in new pad |
| 21:30 |
phf |
ah, so "fiber" in this case is just running standard whatever, usb/hdmi/etc. but simply "longer"? |
| 21:30 |
asciilifeform |
the display things, plugged in on old desk for 3+mo nao, worx a++ |
| 21:31 |
asciilifeform |
phf: correct. the fiber is glued in |
| 21:31 |
asciilifeform |
if distance is 10-15m, not even need fiber, there are shielded copper things |
| 21:32 |
* |
asciilifeform going for precisely 'bolix-flavoured' setup, instead of coupla kwatt of hot boxen in office and window ac year round lol |
| 21:32 |
phf |
what i don't understand (and i guess it's silly of me), why no hdmi/usb thin box, that you can connect by single own cut wire to its source, and act as a kind of thin client. such thing just doesn't seem to exist? |
| 21:33 |
asciilifeform |
well depending on what means 'client' -- can bake easily enuff x11 box which suckless off anuther one on lan |
| 21:34 |
asciilifeform |
( asciilifeform's setup was gnarly, 3 '4k' lcd hanging off a kvmtron. hence fiber ) |
| 21:34 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-14 11:25:16 asciilifeform: ftr the emitter is a 'gcs1964' kvmtron. |
| 21:34 |
asciilifeform |
*suckles off |
| 21:35 |
phf |
so you have a dongle on one end, with a bunch of cables sticking out, hdmi, 2-3 usbs, audio. you plug it into pc, run a fiber from it to an equivalent box on the other end, but that one connects to monitor, keyboard, speakers. telepresence! |
| 21:36 |
asciilifeform |
these sold, but afaik none support the '4k@60h' pixel clock |
| 21:36 |
asciilifeform |
if you dun need ^ , there are several avail. |
| 21:37 |
phf |
i'm leaning towards x11 thin clients and a handful of dedicated fiber that go to specific devices speakers in living room, projector, etc. |
| 21:37 |
asciilifeform |
( 'extron' iirc being one such ) |
| 21:37 |
phf |
but somehow feels hacky. bolix "solved" this problem a decade ago :> |
| 21:37 |
phf |
*decade |
| 21:37 |
asciilifeform |
if for speakers strictly, 'toslink', costs next to nuffin |
| 21:37 |
asciilifeform |
phf: indeed did ! |
| 21:38 |
asciilifeform |
sad pc folx still waiting to catch up to bolix here too.. |
| 21:38 |
asciilifeform |
3decade ago |
| 21:39 |
asciilifeform |
( bolix 3600 already iirc came with the spiffy triax megacable + remote console thing ) |
| 21:40 |
phf |
but also house is "natural", meaning that you can't really ac it effectively (window units is not effectively in my book), because breaths. so i also need to find a holistic approach to device placement. can't just put a 3x RADEON machine in the attic and yolo |
| 21:40 |
asciilifeform |
if you run 'cat7' and run at 10g/s, prolly can even watch films over x11 thin |
| 21:41 |
asciilifeform |
phf: right, if the thing aint hermetically sealed (and few ancient houses in usa were) gotta carefully thing re airflow |
| 21:41 |
asciilifeform |
for instance, if thinking to exhaust to atmosphere , gotta think 'where will intake', or it'll be yer chimney backdrafting in winter |
| 21:41 |
asciilifeform |
or some random hole |
| 21:41 |
asciilifeform |
*think re |
| 21:41 |
phf |
asciilifeform: yah, conceptually then start running into issues. if you are sending video bits over ether over tcp over xlib then why not send compressed original? etc. |
| 21:42 |
asciilifeform |
aaha |
| 21:42 |
phf |
that's why want "dumb" video conduit at max throughput, but no such exist |
| 21:42 |
asciilifeform |
these work a+++, but only handle 1 screen (each) , and kbd/etc gotta travel via anuther box |
| 21:42 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-06-12 17:21:37 asciilifeform: rec'd unit ftr for this. |
| 21:43 |
asciilifeform |
is pure 'dumb pipe' for frames, uncompressed |
| 21:43 |
phf |
neat, will investigate |
| 21:43 |
asciilifeform |
power source is the emitter vga card itself |
| 21:43 |
asciilifeform |
there's actually a thin copper pair in there for +5v |
| 21:44 |
asciilifeform |
plug on tx end contains the laser, on rx end -- the decoder . they get a bit warm (50c on occasion) but not in any obvious way problem to date |
| 21:45 |
verisimilitude |
It mostly works, so now I get to use GDB, later. |
| 21:45 |
asciilifeform |
avoid buying the '8k' variant (green cable) if you use 'screensaver'-style soft monitor powerdown |
| 21:46 |
asciilifeform |
( it's broken in that one ) |
| 21:46 |
* |
asciilifeform bought unknowingly, vendor actually apologized ('not implemented 100% yet') and sent phree '4k' unit |
| 21:46 |
verisimilitude |
Ada is the only language for which I use GDB, and I can't help but see it as primitive compared to even a basic listener. |
| 21:46 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: were you expecting a repl-like experience?! lol |
| 21:47 |
verisimilitude |
No, but still. |
| 21:47 |
verisimilitude |
It's like a retarded listener. |
| 21:47 |
asciilifeform |
oblig. whole-machine gdb |
| 21:48 |
verisimilitude |
Still, how nice to see the program send some UDP messages correctly. |
| 21:49 |
asciilifeform |
oblignaggum lol |
| 21:50 |
asciilifeform |
'it's appropriate to make a machine print "hello world" to verify that everything works after all the mind-boggling nonsense has interfered with the real purpose of a computer, and you never know which part of booting up will fail due to a minor bug. the delight in a C programmer's eyes when his machine thus booted typed "hello world" back at him would probably parallel that of a Common Lisp programmer when the satel |
| 21:50 |
asciilifeform |
lite communications subsystem he designed beams back "hello world" after an almost-aborted launch, a navigation jet which misfired, and the solar panels sustained some damage by space debris. normally, it's unnecessary to have confirmations of basic operations, but it makes perfect sense under C.' |
| 21:51 |
verisimilitude |
Queue queue queue them up, |
| 21:51 |
verisimilitude |
Send them down the line, |
| 21:51 |
verisimilitude |
Get message passing without regret, |
| 21:51 |
verisimilitude |
UDP is fine. |
| 21:52 |
verisimilitude |
Don't spoil my fun, asciilifeform. |
| 21:53 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-12#1106115 << btw bolix didn't use fiber, it went over triax (well, coax with coupla added strands), at one time asciilifeform tried to decode but in fact was too fast for his 200mhz scope, lol) |
| 21:53 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-06-12 17:24:52 phf: i'll ask you more questions about this. i've only started looking at it, so far things i've found were unsatisfying. but if fiber was good enough for symbolics™ |
| 21:54 |
asciilifeform |
impressively, implemented on ecl! |
| 21:55 |
verisimilitude |
At least my library can send variable-length messages. |
| 21:56 |
* |
asciilifeform doesn't begrudge verisimilitude his variably-long datagrams, lol. but asciilifeform didnt' need |
| 21:56 |
* |
asciilifeform to meatspace |
| 21:57 |
verisimilitude |
I'm fully aware this was a lot of work because of stupid bullshit, but I'd prefer to ride the high before it goes away on its own. |
| 22:00 |
verisimilitude |
Hell, I wrote a poem summarizing my disgust with this. |