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00:00 decimation really, the 'free software' movement was a kind of reaction to microsoft overreach, which has largely splintered into a hundred different corporate factions
00:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'm not altogether certain it was ever alive.
00:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aside from examples like 'emacs', most of what is actually useful in 'open source' was written in other times, other walls, pre-dating it
00:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it was alive at the time it made linux overnight.
00:01 asciilifeform e.g. bsd
00:01 decimation didn't linus say he probably wouldn't have done his thing if bsd was available?
00:01 asciilifeform to the extent 'linux' was a clean-room riff on 'minix' - same deal
00:02 asciilifeform not to mention the userland being there for the taking
00:02 mircea_popescu is bitcoin going to be a "clean room riff" on core-derpage ?
00:02 decimation everyone in the 'free software movement' was happy to allow redhat to take over everything important in userland
00:02 decimation or at least, there wasn't much will to oppose
00:02 decimation I suspect most folks thought they were getting 'free warez'
00:03 asciilifeform one could dispute particulars, but the popular image of 'open source' where 'thousands of people' have meaningful contributions to a project - was always a hallucination.
00:04 mircea_popescu but this hallucination was alive at some point.
00:04 mircea_popescu the hallucination that "people getting togheter" "solve problems" is also a recurrent mode of psychotic social behaviour.
00:05 decimation asciilifeform: I suspect the same pattern one sees with bitcoind is common in free software, 'the ancients' (typically one elite guy) writes something useful, then shitgnomes dangle turds on it for decades
00:07 decimation asciilifeform: have you ever had occasion to program test equipment that speaks gpib?
00:08 asciilifeform decimation: nope
00:09 asciilifeform decimation: although did once work in a lab where quite a few gadgets were using this classic link
00:09 decimation it's like entering a time warp back to 1979
00:09 asciilifeform decimation: but i escaped having to program them.
00:10 asciilifeform decimation: what of it. rs-232 is a 'time warp back to' 1962.
00:10 asciilifeform and it will still be in use in 2062.
00:10 decimation agreed
00:10 decimation maybe rs-482 too
00:10 decimation or something differential
00:10 asciilifeform the basic signalling scheme, not the voltage levels necessarily
00:11 decimation the latest hotness in fpga is to use a serial bus, after folks have lived in the ddr hell
00:11 decimation jesd204 http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1279796
00:11 assbot What is JESD204 and why should we pay attention to it? | EE Times ... ( http://bit.ly/14OXcg3 )
00:12 asciilifeform decimation: what joy. more proprietary crud that has to be on the die for fpga to talk to anything external.
00:12 decimation asciilifeform: yeah or you can buy the ip core
00:12 decimation for $$$
00:12 asciilifeform lol
00:13 decimation but yeah the number of onboard 'serdes' modules is becoming a big deal
00:13 asciilifeform which makes the entire proposition of fpga a thinly-veiled scam
00:13 asciilifeform since, idk, 2010 or so
00:13 decimation heh yeah it really does
00:14 decimation 'you can do anything that we allow in our walled garden, shitty tools and shitty errata!!"
00:14 asciilifeform if you go and actually try to implement, e.g., ddr2 controller, using generic logic (yes, i did, and it fit) you quickly discover that it is useless.
00:15 decimation I know folks who have done this, and suceeded, but it took many months of debugging and swearing
00:15 asciilifeform because it uses the general-purpose routing fabric, and propagation delays eat you alive.
00:15 asciilifeform if you grind away at it long enough, you can sometimes figure out the actual physical locations of things on the die
00:16 decimation which results in shitty RTL code to program the thing
00:16 asciilifeform generally, you'll have it figured out by the time... the chip goes out of print.
00:16 decimation heh yeah
00:16 asciilifeform this - is fpga 'in a page.'
00:16 asciilifeform for n00bz.
00:16 decimation which is why many folks don't even bother with fpga for small projects
00:16 asciilifeform generally used when there is absolutely no alternative.
00:16 decimation it's cheaper to run a full server than to pay for the engineering time to dick with the fpga
00:17 decimation and if you are going to run something in huge quantities, might as well make asic
00:17 mircea_popescu well its supposed to be a "prototype"
00:17 mircea_popescu for the sort of people who are genuinely surprised that their thing even works.
00:17 asciilifeform decimation: asic << and here's where the turdmeisters win. many 'asic' products on the market presently are actually 'hardcopy fpga'
00:18 decimation heh yes
00:18 asciilifeform e.g., xilinx wants you to prototype on their fpga, and then offers massively-discounted asic process which simply consists of their fpga die plus custom metallization layer.
00:18 decimation including all the fpga bugs
00:18 asciilifeform naturally you cough up royalties for their 'property'
00:19 asciilifeform e.g., your ethernet card, ddr controller, whatever libs you had the misfortune to rely on
00:20 asciilifeform incidentally, the last time i gave a damn (> 1yr ago) i learned that all the 'miner asic' products had been produced this way.
00:20 decimation my understanding is tha altera is generally easier to deal with here, because they actually do their own r&d to produce these 'ip cores', whereas xilinx tends to contract it out - involving third parties in your product
00:20 asciilifeform altera - same basic scam, ultimately.
00:20 asciilifeform 'the air-seller.'
00:21 decimation this is pretty much the business model for every 'fabless chip corp'
00:21 decimation they all want to be the next qualcomm
00:21 asciilifeform i'm not entirely certain that any piece of silicon that hit the market in the past half decade or so, is a 'real asic.'
00:21 asciilifeform in this sense.
00:22 decimation maybe intel or amd has an actual toolchain?
00:22 asciilifeform i am told that each has a massive proprietary one
00:23 asciilifeform but i would be greatly surprised if modern x86 dies did not have 'licensed' black boxes in them.
00:23 asciilifeform as in, circuit that vendor did not look into and is in fact contractually obligated to at least pretend not to.
00:23 decimation yeah
00:24 decimation probably many of these 'black boxes' were developed by 'startups' funded by usg tax dollars through universities
00:24 decimation to complete the circle
00:25 decimation http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2014/06/10/why-qualcomms-royalty-revenue-will-continue-to-decline/ << " Qualcomm’s royalty rate for LTE-only is about 125 basis points lower than for 3G. As the industry transitions from the 3G to 4G technology, Qualcomm’s average royalty rate will come under pressure."
00:26 decimation the problem with 'taxing the wave of massive adoption' is that eventually when the wave passes on, one needs to ride the next wave to sustain all the fleas that have attached to the revenue cow
00:28 mircea_popescu quite.
00:31 asciilifeform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE-488#mediaviewer/File:HP7935_rear_HP-IB_port.jpg << i remember when a typical pc had this kind of beautifully painted steel chassis.
00:31 assbot IEEE-488 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/14P1gwE )
00:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.00049118 = 25.4431 BTC [-] {2}
00:32 decimation yeah I used to call it 'centronics' connectors, didn't realize their heritage
00:34 asciilifeform 488 was among the last of the standard buses intended to humour folks who want to build own hardware
00:34 mircea_popescu davout: $10 well spent : poorchan.com << lawl
00:34 asciilifeform (genuinely own, as in, ttl logic)
00:34 asciilifeform one could sorta build own isa cards, yes
00:35 asciilifeform (if you were good with, among other things, a jigsaw)
00:35 decimation yeah I remember the old AT chassis, built like a peice of HP test equipment
00:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: i recounted various passages to pet, who cringed << specifically ?
00:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the piece where explains three basic types of eunuch op
00:38 asciilifeform (iirc, 'cock snip', 'ball snip', 'full dulap')
00:38 mircea_popescu lol
00:39 asciilifeform plus elaborations of how the actual deed was done in various time & places (crushing, pulling, cutting, burning, etc)
00:40 mircea_popescu https://www.whatsmydns.net/#A/trilema.com << heh! wtf is this bizarro bs.
00:40 assbot Global DNS Propagation Checker - What's My DNS? ... ( http://bit.ly/14P2ZlE )
00:41 mircea_popescu meanwhilke "No Bad Glue Detected" etc.
00:41 asciilifeform https://www.whatsmydns.net/#A/loper-os.org
00:41 assbot Global DNS Propagation Checker - What's My DNS? ... ( http://bit.ly/14P3hZF )
00:41 asciilifeform ^ not 100 percent, either
00:41 mircea_popescu ya but i mean...
00:41 asciilifeform but far cry from this marvel.
00:42 mircea_popescu why DOES IT TAKE SO LONG
00:42 mircea_popescu who the fuck heard of this.
00:43 asciilifeform ah you moved it didntcha.
00:43 mircea_popescu nope.
00:43 asciilifeform hm.
00:45 mircea_popescu "Vitalik Buterin beat Mark Zuckerberg for the 2014 World Technology Network award in IT software. The award is presented for Buterin's role as co-creator and inventor of Ethereum which has yet to exist and co-founding Bitcoin Magazine. "
00:45 mircea_popescu you have got to be kidding me ?!
00:45 mircea_popescu this is a spoof, right ?
00:46 asciilifeform 'Co-creator & inventor, Ethereum; Co-Founder, Bitcoin magazine (Toronto, Canada)' (from original source)
00:46 asciilifeform sadly, nothing there re: the 'yet to exist.'
00:46 mircea_popescu fucking evil, this shit.
00:46 mircea_popescu let's pick a derp with absolutely no merits to give the nobel prize to.
00:47 asciilifeform check out the other nominees.
00:47 mircea_popescu o wait, too late for that.
00:47 mircea_popescu ;;google World Technology Network
00:47 gribble The World Technology Network: <http://www.wtn.net/>; 2014 World Technology Awards Finalists | The World Technology ...: <http://www.wtn.net/summit-2014/world-technology-award-finalists>; [About The WTN] | The World Technology Network: <http://www.wtn.net/about>
00:47 mircea_popescu what, no wikipedia page ?
00:48 mircea_popescu 2002 : Linus Torvalds, Creator, Linux
00:48 mircea_popescu Corp : NTT DoCoMo, Inc.
00:48 mircea_popescu yeah, makes total sense. buterin, the new torvalds
00:48 mircea_popescu *boggle*
00:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.0005011 = 8.4686 BTC [+]
00:49 asciilifeform notice paul graham, elon musk, buncha minor catamites, in there.
00:50 asciilifeform buterin is among his fellows.
00:50 mircea_popescu they're really labouring hard to make sure they actualy get boiled in oil, these people.
00:50 asciilifeform lol that was actually my first thought when saw.
00:50 asciilifeform except it was impalement.
00:51 decimation count dracula will not be pleased
00:52 mircea_popescu guy has literally not done anything in his entire life. intern in a meanwhile bankrupt, never relevant trade mag.
00:52 mircea_popescu and shill for a scam.
00:52 asciilifeform at any rate, i'm unable to say when exactly we reached the point where 'the hunchback can only straighten in his grave' - but it was some years ago.
00:52 mircea_popescu this is the sum total of a life wasted. what's to prize in there ?
00:53 mircea_popescu what i don't understand is how people like linus don't just return the "award"
00:53 decimation or never show up to accept it
00:53 mircea_popescu back when the romanian president gave the star of romania to a bunch of dubious derps, five dozen or so various prior recipients returned them
00:53 mircea_popescu o wait. there's not something to return, is there.
00:54 asciilifeform mailed back medal, sure, anyone can. but what of the money.
00:54 mircea_popescu i dunno that it actually comes with money.
00:55 decimation mircea_popescu: could it be that your nameservers (ns7 and ns8) are also inaccessible, thus causing the 'dns outage'?
00:56 mircea_popescu decimation it could be, except they don't see to be.
00:57 decimation they timeout for me
00:57 decimation apparently nobody believes in caching dns anymore
00:58 mircea_popescu ^
00:58 mircea_popescu https://www.whatsmydns.net/#A/trilema.com << and now i'ts perfect
00:58 assbot Global DNS Propagation Checker - What's My DNS? ... ( http://bit.ly/14P6qso )
00:58 mircea_popescu except for that one in bangkok, which i imagine si broken
00:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: grunt at ft. meade had to let go of the red button to light a cig
00:59 mircea_popescu lol
01:00 mircea_popescu i was thinking about this earlier. i wonder what % of times is a "matgic packet" router attack successful.
01:00 asciilifeform would depend on the particular magic, no ?
01:01 asciilifeform and how many / what kinds of routing it survives.
01:01 mircea_popescu yeah, just like the % of times a pickup line is successful depends on the pickup line.
01:02 asciilifeform pickup may work on x% of woman; nerve gas - 100%. but notice most folks are interested in - pickup.
01:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00049889 = 10.327 BTC [-] {2}
01:03 asciilifeform intelligence agency is (at least in times gone by) distinguishable from vandal.
01:03 asciilifeform wants - particular router.
01:03 asciilifeform not demolition derby.
01:03 mircea_popescu you're stuck in the past, man.
01:03 mircea_popescu "intelligence" in intelligence agency is like "technology" in world technology awards.
01:03 asciilifeform well the thing about demolition derbies is that they are loudly, obscenely - public.
01:04 mircea_popescu it's not like a particular tribe of idiots took over one particular aspect of society.
01:04 mircea_popescu it's that the fucktarded women that are now in their 50s raised a generation of subhuman scum. and it's everywhere.
01:04 asciilifeform well yes, at this point even the gnomes deep in the mines of moria - can see this.
01:04 mircea_popescu i know of litthe more shameful than being one of the mothers of these people.
01:06 mircea_popescu assbot: Democratic Caucus Angry Tammy Duckworth Denied Proxy Vote << jesus perfect storm. double amputee from iraq, pregnant ?!
01:07 mircea_popescu but still, the lich woman has a point. it sez there, no proxy votes.
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01:32 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/psa-if-youre-trying-to-escape-the-gravity-well-youll-meet-this-on-your-way/
01:32 assbot PSA : If you’re trying to escape the gravity well, you’ll meet this on your way. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/11EF9rE )
01:32 mircea_popescu lemme know if the idea is plainly stated and can be followed from the text or i need to explain it better.
01:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lol! what part of 'emigration' do people not get?
01:39 asciilifeform leave behind reichsmarks in a bank, aha, yes.
01:39 mircea_popescu they sent ~10k of those things in one bulk this month.
01:40 asciilifeform barrel scrape.
01:40 mircea_popescu monday the 3rd. they will prolly send another one, in dec. and so on.
01:40 mircea_popescu well, no. i happen to think the us would be in a better shape if the whole thing sunk but those 10k were saved
01:40 mircea_popescu than the reverse.
01:40 asciilifeform nah barrel scrape from their pov.
01:40 asciilifeform search for loose coins in sofa.
01:41 mircea_popescu nah, it's not that.
01:41 asciilifeform 'longcat is long,' insolvent empire is insolvent.
01:41 mircea_popescu it's the leaks.
01:41 mircea_popescu see, if your boat got a leak, and you plug it with 1 sq inch of wood,
01:41 mircea_popescu while this is nothing compared to the bulk of the rest of the boat
01:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00050227 = 6.2281 BTC [+]
01:41 mircea_popescu the effect has been to increase its life expectancy by degrees of magnitude.
01:42 asciilifeform it'll be interesting to see phase 2 of this gambit
01:42 mircea_popescu where do the traitors' dollars go ? to prop up russia, so it laughs at the embargo, right ?
01:42 asciilifeform as in, where'll they put the fools who show up
01:42 mircea_popescu to prop up argentina, so it doesn't care what the ny courts say
01:42 mircea_popescu etc.
01:42 mircea_popescu why put them anywhere ?
01:42 asciilifeform well the 'come to mama' physical lure
01:43 asciilifeform that, presumably, has a purpose?
01:43 mircea_popescu i imagine they just won't extend their passports, if they try to leave again
01:43 mircea_popescu you recall, that "irs wants to check your papers" thing added coupla years ago.
01:43 mircea_popescu but until they do, they can go on about how "it's perfectly fine
01:43 mircea_popescu maybe attract more idiots.
01:44 mircea_popescu ;;google armistitiu moscopol
01:44 gribble No matches found.
01:44 mircea_popescu heh.
01:44 asciilifeform iirc, the version of the statute that actually passed was '50k outstanding tax is grounds for cancel passport'
01:44 mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHU6YLC0RvE
01:44 assbot FALSA AMNISTIE - JEAN MOSCOPOL - ANTICOMUNIST - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1qZocho )
01:47 asciilifeform now, it's abundantly clear that usd is on its way to 'zimbabwean', 'vanity' currency status like soviet ruble
01:47 asciilifeform but not clear that the buggers actually care to detain the earthly carcasses of the owners, vs. just their holdings.
01:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47600 @ 0.0004886 = 23.2574 BTC [-] {2}
01:49 asciilifeform (for n00bs - a vanity-exchanged currency is approximately as useful outside of the border of demented issuing state as vegas poker chip is outside of vegas)
01:52 mircea_popescu the idea being that since the owners care about their carcasses more than about their coins, keeping them in keeps the coins in.
01:52 mircea_popescu its pretty sound.
01:52 mircea_popescu spain allowed the jews to leave, and well... that was the end of it.
01:55 mircea_popescu anyway, if 2015 is going to be the year to leave for its entire length, it's definitely the last one.
01:55 asciilifeform next logical step, likely, is 'exit bond'
01:56 asciilifeform sorta inverse of the 'prove you have enough to live on' demanded when entering certain countries
01:56 mircea_popescu heh
01:57 mircea_popescu and much like the very real bond to participate in the fake bitcoin auction they're holding, no "shares", no "bonds" and no other bs accepted.
01:57 mircea_popescu gold dollars only.
01:57 asciilifeform well, swift-wireable dollars.
01:57 asciilifeform (notice no bags of benjies accepted either)
01:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67600 @ 0.00048585 = 32.8435 BTC [-] {3}
01:58 mircea_popescu oil dollars
01:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33939 @ 0.000478 = 16.2228 BTC [-] {2}
02:00 asciilifeform at any rate, the reason there is not a pandaemonium of attempted republikflucht from usa, and corresponding whack-a-mole game by usg, is very simple -
02:00 asciilifeform most folks here are as likely to escape as dolphin from national aquarium.
02:01 asciilifeform and for same reason.
02:01 mircea_popescu this is not a game of mosts.
02:03 asciilifeform in some ways it is. in that the serious mega-capital is likely already walking
02:03 asciilifeform (who, precisely, will stop it ?)
02:03 mircea_popescu nah.
02:03 mircea_popescu megacapital is megastupid.
02:03 mircea_popescu for one thing, they're generally old people.
02:04 mircea_popescu for the other... old people.
02:04 mircea_popescu i can find three new wives and learn a language before the month is out. your average "rich guy" is petrified of changing his colenostomy bag brand.
02:04 mircea_popescu "what if!"
02:04 asciilifeform lol
02:05 mircea_popescu the rich jews were still trying to make deals with teh reich in 139
02:05 mircea_popescu 1939*
02:05 mircea_popescu the rich senators were still buying armies in rome by 399.
02:05 mircea_popescu none oif them went "fuck this shit, i'm moving to galia narbo and building a castle."
02:05 asciilifeform and 45.
02:06 asciilifeform note (generally omitted from schoolbook histories) the cost of a seat on schindler's train
02:06 asciilifeform payable in diamonds
02:06 mircea_popescu right.
02:06 asciilifeform incidentally SOP mechanism for expedient coin-carcass separation.
02:06 mircea_popescu the shitty film they made included all sorts of people that defo weren't there.
02:07 mircea_popescu of course... in retrospect... srsly dude, diamonds ?!
02:07 mircea_popescu bwaahah.
02:07 mircea_popescu i mean i get it, they were going for bitcoin, which gold isn't. but still... lol.
02:08 * asciilifeform cannot remember the source for this tidbit, will have to dig. probably ru.
02:08 mircea_popescu it's not controversial.
02:12 asciilifeform (for n00bz: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2014#700889 )
02:12 assbot Logged on 03-06-2014 23:48:07; asciilifeform: however, the reason why it is customary to sit a captured wretch on an anthill, or the like, without first inquiring about his assets, is that in such a situation the definition of 'assets' expands to everything the victim could potentially beg/borrow/steal
02:14 mircea_popescu lol google got 1e10 tld
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03:47 davout ohai
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04:58 davout ;;later tell mircea_popescu i can't push assets i don't have
04:58 gribble The operation succeeded.
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07:13 mats_cd03 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/19/sms_pwnage_on_meellions_of_flawed_sim_cards_popular_4g_modems
07:14 assbot SMS pwnage on MEELLIONS of flawed SIM cards, popular 4G modems • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1xRGXIs )
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08:52 nubbins` http://rywalk.wordpress.com/2014/11/20/mega-bit-billions-my-original-dao-idea/
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08:56 nubbins` what a fucking asshole
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09:57 mats_cd03 he's an idiot is what he is
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10:33 BingoBoingo Does anyone know how leveraged trading work?
10:34 kakobrekla where?
10:34 BingoBoingo https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2mdtxl/huobi_takes_1271000_usd_from_users_profits_during/
10:34 assbot Huobi takes $1,271,000 USD from users' profits during futures settlement. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1ytF4B4 )
10:35 kakobrekla LOL
10:36 BingoBoingo It sounds like scam, so should be qntra'd, but could probably benefit from someone more familiar with where the scam is here writing it up.
10:37 kakobrekla <Enky> "normal administration" we say in italy
10:38 BingoBoingo Hmmm
10:42 BingoBoingo Well, Coindesk already has a write up http://www.coindesk.com/huobis-bitvc-takes-trader-profit-cover-1-million-loss/
10:42 assbot Huobi's BitVC Takes Trader Profit to Cover $1 Million Loss ... ( http://bit.ly/1ytGPOE )
10:42 kakobrekla shitheads
10:43 kakobrekla huobi i mean
10:43 BingoBoingo Eh, more shitheads than brainheads nowadays
10:45 kakobrekla next week they will be back on coindesk with some new chumpatron
10:46 BingoBoingo Sure
10:47 BingoBoingo And next week I will gorge on turkey and baked breadcrumbs, because Lincoln wanted a propaganda victory
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11:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83650 @ 0.00044946 = 37.5973 BTC [+] {3}
11:20 mircea_popescu ;;later tell davout looking into it.
11:20 gribble The operation succeeded.
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11:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47784 @ 0.00044543 = 21.2844 BTC [-] {2}
11:41 pete_dushenski howdy!
11:41 BingoBoingo Hello pete_dushenski
11:42 pete_dushenski ;;isup qntra.net
11:42 gribble qntra.net is up
11:42 ben_vulpes https://web.archive.org/web/20070630074251/http://www.zenofeller.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=1677&sid=2c5ed556886d6bfe4db5a2f1c9f8c867
11:42 assbot Xenophillia - The Making of a Game. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xWKTbR )
11:42 ben_vulpes talk about yer genesis block
11:42 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes lol
11:43 pete_dushenski "I aim to make the most complex game I can still balance. This doesn't sound like an easy task, and it's more difficult than it sounds."
11:45 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo After Survery Vessenes' Foundation "Pivots" << no wai!
11:46 BingoBoingo Ya Wai
11:46 pete_dushenski less tawk more walk
11:46 pete_dushenski or less tawk more hobble like a gibble
11:47 mats_cd03 such eloquence
11:47 pete_dushenski developer training and certification workshops << gotta prop up that profit when all the "i just wanna support the causers" are sucked dry
11:49 mats_cd03 whatever happened to blogs.b-a.com?
11:50 TomServo You mean assass.headfucking.net? :P
11:50 TomServo I believe that was pankkake's - which he somewhat recently shutdown.
11:51 pete_dushenski ya and peterl was working on a replacement but...
11:51 pete_dushenski it's still very on-again-off-again
11:51 pete_dushenski or i should say that scoopbot is
11:51 thestringpuller yea scoopbot doesn't always have the scoop
11:51 pete_dushenski eg last two contravex articles. speaking of which!
11:52 pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/18/what-happens-when-all-the-fish-are-gone/
11:52 assbot What Happens When All The Fish Are Gone? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1tl3gkH )
11:52 pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/19/dying-with-dignity-how-life-expectancy-isnt-what-you-think-it-is/
11:52 assbot Dying With Dignity: How Life Expectancy Isn’t What You Think It Is | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1tl3icc )
11:54 thestringpuller is this the point when the estate of dr. seuss shows up in channel?
11:54 mats_cd03 o. well kako should update topic then
11:56 pete_dushenski thestringpuller the estates of many of dead man would probably find contravex of interest
11:56 pete_dushenski mats_cd03 guess so
11:56 mircea_popescu asciilifeform diametric http://trilema.com/2014/the-wisdom-of-crowds-apparently-it-mostly-depends-on-the-crowds-in-question/
11:56 assbot The wisdom of crowds. Apparently, it mostly depends on the crowds in question. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1tl4tsf )
11:56 mircea_popescu mayhap the debian gr is wiser than us ?
11:57 mircea_popescu ;;seen peterl
11:57 gribble peterl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 hours, 20 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <PeterL> Like you said, you can own a small piece, but nobody owns the whole thing
11:58 pete_dushenski heya mircea_popescu
11:58 mircea_popescu hey p.
11:58 pete_dushenski it goes?
11:58 mircea_popescu surely.
11:59 pete_dushenski loverly :)
11:59 mircea_popescu decimation: Google: "Q: who owns the internet? A: nobody" << fuck you << i imagine they're talking of the whole enchillada, as opposed to the parts thereof.
12:02 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: Wow, there's a city actually named Moroni << iirc some prophet in john smith's braindamaged copy of yurp under his own "brand"
12:03 mircea_popescu i always found that pretty amusing.
12:04 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: It sounds like scam, so should be qntra'd, but could probably benefit from someone more familiar with where the scam is here writing it up. << looking.
12:05 thestringpuller BingoBoingo: that's why I deferred writing it up. I'm not familiar with China-land too much.
12:05 mircea_popescu they would be shifting their focus almost entirely towards the goal of funding "core development" << my translator comes up with "it's dead".
12:06 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo the correct angle there is to compare to MMM
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12:06 mircea_popescu which is EXACTLY what happened there.
12:07 thestringpuller MMM is funny as shit though.
12:07 mircea_popescu shit not mmm. stock generation. the internet thing
12:07 thestringpuller Reading about MMM was like reading about Action Park.
12:07 thestringpuller Like something out of a cartoon.
12:08 mircea_popescu myeah.
12:08 thestringpuller ;;google Action Park
12:08 gribble Action Park - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_Park>; Action Park Mountain Creek, Vernon NJ | Water Parks in NJ: <http://www.actionpark.com/>; The dangerous return of the world's most insane theme park | New ...: <http://nypost.com/2014/06/28/the-return-of-the-worlds-most-dangerous-theme-park/>
12:08 mircea_popescu Company 9 was the "privileged" company, with its shares "guaranteed" never to decrease in value. Promised return was originally 10% a month (215% annually,) but was later reduced to 7% a month or 125% annually. In early April 2000, Stock Generation, despite all previous guarantees, devalued its privileged company shares to 5% of their previous value.
12:08 mircea_popescu Companies 10 and 11 promised monthly returns of 50% and 100% (later 40% and 70%) respectively. At the same time, share prices could plummet 50% for company 10 and 100% (e.g. all the way down to 0) for company 11. That caveat (known as Rule 18) was another way for StockGeneration to justify their claims that this was a gambling website, rather than an investment vehicle.
12:08 mircea_popescu that thing.
12:09 thestringpuller ponzi schemes will help destroy the financial system!
12:09 mircea_popescu kakobrekla: next week they will be back on coindesk with some new chumpatron <<< no, it gets better. next, they will be getting the congressional medal of honor, for "innovation"
12:10 kakobrekla so wai are we still on this planet?
12:11 pete_dushenski "Canada reopened its 50-year bond maturing December 2064 Thursday and is expected to raise a minimum of 500 million Canadian dollars ($442 million)" << lelz
12:11 mircea_popescu kakobrekla because you've not built the ship!
12:11 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Perhaps you would like to a your second piece for qntra. Stumbled into a US abuse of court thing with Kim Dotcom I'm writing up.
12:12 mircea_popescu no, because a spitting copy of that other kim is coming by to visit us in a little, and ima have my hands full
12:12 BingoBoingo Ah
12:12 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski you busy honey ?
12:12 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu not overly
12:13 mircea_popescu so do the huobei vs stock generation piece ! for great justic
12:13 mircea_popescu mebbe we get someone to translate it to chinese.
12:13 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: "hands full" << was that a pun?
12:13 mircea_popescu myeah.
12:14 thestringpuller fun fun fun!
12:14 pete_dushenski lemme take a quick look at it...
12:23 pete_dushenski brb working on english version of huobi vs stockgen :)
12:25 mircea_popescu :)
12:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22350 @ 0.00044604 = 9.969 BTC [+]
12:29 mircea_popescu little old me going through his logs, runs into a line
12:29 mircea_popescu tcp 0 0 192.168.*:42230 ddos-server.intyl.b:www ESTABLISHED 1794/opera
12:29 mircea_popescu nearly fucking falls over.
12:30 thestringpuller whatever happened to that codinginmysleep guy
12:31 mircea_popescu turns out RamNode had the cute idea of naming its stuff thusly.
12:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31100 @ 0.00044465 = 13.8286 BTC [-] {2}
12:31 mircea_popescu and im really talking to my own site.
12:32 mircea_popescu 185.34.216.71 resolves to "ddos-server.intyl.biz". who the fuck came up with this idea i wish to know, and i further wish to know how many people reading logs got a start from it.
12:32 mircea_popescu fucking trolls.
12:33 mircea_popescu thestringpuller no idea, sorta faded off.
12:39 kakobrekla lol mp hunting bitcoin-assets
12:39 mircea_popescu lolwut ?
12:40 kakobrekla http://dpaste.com/3BYA4SS.txt
12:40 mircea_popescu status: NOHORROR
12:41 kakobrekla :)
12:41 mircea_popescu i predict we will see the day when that's what it's gonna say.
12:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58450 @ 0.00044324 = 25.9074 BTC [-] {2}
12:47 nubbins` thestringpuller dat missed delivery
12:52 mircea_popescu mthreat anyway, not bad article. nothing incendiary, but hey.
12:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00044604 = 3.2115 BTC [+]
13:04 mircea_popescu !up Xuthus
13:09 BingoBoingo !up hihowareyou
13:13 BingoBoingo http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/man-42-found-dead-bathtub-downtown-manhattan-article-1.2015955 << Accident file
13:13 assbot New York banker, 42, slashed throat during bender: sources - NY Daily News ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXNKj7 )
13:14 nubbins` "banker drowns self by holding head underwater in tub"
13:16 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo mircea_popescu cazalla http://pastebin.com/3BZXpunJ
13:16 assbot Title: Huobi Reboots Stock Generation-Style Ponzi Scheme Earlier this week it - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXOm8h )
13:20 pete_dushenski http://www.viralnova.com/hidden-german-bunker-gallery/29/?mb=out << "even though they're using cyrillic text on their signs and we can't read it, it's a GERMAN bunker!"
13:20 assbot They Stumbled Across This In The Woods... Beneath It Was A Terrifyingly Awesome Secret. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xWYNuD )
13:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1227 @ 0.001192 = 1.4626 BTC [+] {2}
13:24 pete_dushenski https://twitter.com/antidemblog/status/534219440842223616
13:24 assbot http://t.co/iVNtPHvMJa
13:25 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2014/11/huobi-reboots-stock-generation-style-ponzi-scheme/ << pete_dushenski
13:25 assbot Huobi Reboots Stock Generation-Style Ponzi Scheme | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xWZtAd )
13:25 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo qntra should use its favicon on its twitter profile
13:26 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: The Favicon artwork doesn't look great at avatar resolution, hence the bunny
13:27 pete_dushenski lol just noticed the little fluffer
13:27 pete_dushenski https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/535499564548370432
13:27 assbot Huobi reboots Stock Generation-style ponzi scheme: http://t.co/YVFwVNmvmT My 3rd piece for /qntra! Trying not to make this a habit...
13:28 pete_dushenski anyways, ima a be off. later cult!
13:28 asciilifeform 'german' bunker << first photo caption - 'controlled remotely' (not 'stay back') wtf
13:31 nubbins` heh
13:32 nubbins` wiring panel for the lift bridge just out of the frame
13:43 BingoBoingo !up trixisowned
13:43 BingoBoingo <trixisowned> All three futures exchanges (OkCoin, Huobi, 796) use the same exact formula to get this "loss" calculation.
13:43 BingoBoingo <trixisowned> Maybe you should warn about ALL of the futures exchanges rather than portraying yourself as biased.
13:43 trixisowned It's the truth
13:43 trixisowned deal with it
13:43 trixisowned bro
13:44 trixisowned ive noticed multiple people trying to portray huobi as the bad one
13:44 trixisowned when ALL the futures exchanges
13:44 trixisowned are doing the same shit
13:44 BingoBoingo ^ Perhaps the case is that the model is broken, but Huobi is the one where problems have happened
13:44 trixisowned are you being paid by OkCoin?
13:44 trixisowned because thats how it comes off
13:44 BingoBoingo Nope
13:44 trixisowned on reddit
13:44 trixisowned just saying
13:44 kakobrekla !s tera self
13:44 assbot 0 results for 'tera self' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=tera+self
13:44 kakobrekla eh
13:44 BingoBoingo trixisowned: Where on reddit?
13:45 trixisowned maybe it wasnt you
13:45 trixisowned but this is the second "article"
13:45 kakobrekla !s tera* self*
13:45 assbot 1 results for 'tera* self*' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=tera%2A+self%2A
13:45 trixisowned about how huobi has supposedly
13:45 trixisowned ripped off users
13:45 kakobrekla sorta on topic
13:45 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2014#866605
13:45 assbot Logged on 09-10-2014 19:56:44; kakobrekla: TeraExchange self certified their Bitcoin Non-Deliverable Forwards swaps contract and it is currently listed for trading.
13:45 trixisowned and thats simply not true
13:45 trixisowned hurp
13:45 kakobrekla you know, they at least self certified
13:45 BingoBoingo OkCoin prolly sucks
13:45 kakobrekla like i self smarted myself
13:46 trixisowned ...
13:46 trixisowned okcoin DOES suck
13:46 trixisowned so does huobi
13:46 trixisowned among all the exchanges
13:46 trixisowned but your article
13:46 trixisowned is portraying it as if
13:46 trixisowned huobi is the bad guy and people will just go and shill off to okcoin
13:46 trixisowned which is not the thing to do
13:46 BingoBoingo !up Dr-G2
13:46 trixisowned especially when the fucking okcoin shills are about pushing their "OKCOIN HAS NO FEES WHY DONT YOU TRADE THERE!" bullshit
13:46 trixisowned just saying
13:47 BingoBoingo I can not repair broken reading's of pete's article.
13:47 trixisowned BingoBoingo, http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2mdtxl/huobi_takes_1271000_usd_from_users_profits_during/cm3ipmt?context=3
13:47 assbot trixisowned comments on Huobi takes $1,271,000 USD from users' profits during futures settlement. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xX2pg1 )
13:47 trixisowned er, thats a comment, but read the whole thread
13:47 trixisowned its basically a repeat of that whole fucking shill thread
13:48 trixisowned made by r/bitcoinbravo
13:48 trixisowned who is the CTO of OkCoin
13:48 trixisowned http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2mdtxl/huobi_takes_1271000_usd_from_users_profits_during/
13:48 assbot Huobi takes $1,271,000 USD from users' profits during futures settlement. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1xX2znE )
13:49 trixisowned http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2mdtxl/huobi_takes_1271000_usd_from_users_profits_during/cm3nov3
13:49 assbot Huobi takes $1,271,000 USD from users' profits during futures settlement. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1xX2Hnh )
13:49 trixisowned etc
13:49 BingoBoingo https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2mwf22/huobi_reboots_stock_generationstyle_ponzi_scheme/ << Now there's a reddit to make sure the OKcoin model can be highlighted as broken too
13:49 assbot Huobi Reboots Stock Generation-Style Ponzi Scheme, Is this possible with other BTC/Futures exchanges? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1xX2Jvt )
13:49 trixisowned There was no way to contact whoever made the post BingoBoingo
13:49 trixisowned and there was no way to post a comment
13:49 trixisowned so i pm'd you
13:50 trixisowned :/
13:50 BingoBoingo Ah
13:50 trixisowned your comment system is broken.
13:50 BingoBoingo Comment system is broken how?
13:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1245 @ 0.001195 = 1.4878 BTC [+] {2}
13:50 trixisowned [11:40:47] <<trixisowned>> ERROR: please fill the required fields (name, email).
13:50 trixisowned even though i filled in both
13:52 BingoBoingo Try again, might have triggered a false positive on one of tha spam prevention measures
13:56 trixisowned eh im over it
13:56 trixisowned :P
13:59 BingoBoingo Ciriticism of a thing is not an endorsement of its competitors
14:03 BingoBoingo !up Molt
14:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64537 @ 0.00043581 = 28.1259 BTC [-] {4}
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14:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76326 @ 0.00044315 = 33.8239 BTC [+] {2}
15:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00044534 = 6.0566 BTC [+]
15:16 mircea_popescu <assbot> New York banker, 42, slashed throat during bender: sources << lmao getting moar and moar believable.
15:16 asciilifeform 'he ran into my knife. he ran into my knife - ten times!' - 'chicago'
15:18 mircea_popescu !up snee
15:18 mircea_popescu <trixisowned> because thats how it comes off << are you silly ?!
15:19 mircea_popescu the fact that a bunch of scams are a bunch of scams, from icbit onwards does not mean that pointing out one particular scam as a scam is "supporting the others".
15:19 mircea_popescu this is glbse-think.
15:19 mircea_popescu !up Molt
15:21 mircea_popescu <trixisowned> There was no way to contact whoever made the post BingoBoingo << like http://qntra.net/contact/ ?
15:21 assbot Contact | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1qBefvS )
15:21 mircea_popescu or you mean specifically pete ?
15:21 mircea_popescu speaking of which
15:22 mircea_popescu ;;later tell pete_dushenski i hate your articlke, fwiw. broadly because it's a very lazy stitching together of unexplained quotes, narrowly because wtf, qntra now links to wikipedia ? splendid, we're building a total alternative over here.
15:22 gribble The operation succeeded.
15:22 mircea_popescu this shit needs actual work. with the head. make a point, and make it interesting.
15:23 mircea_popescu "The similarities between Huobi and Stock Generation are striking." << orly ?
15:23 mircea_popescu show, don't tell. when you tell a) everyone knows you're lying, whethetr you are not not and b) nobody can be bothered to go look anymore. fucking show. always.
15:24 mircea_popescu s/not not/or not/
15:24 Pierre_Rochard If you’re done with Dushenski can I butt in and get my 2 mins of hate
15:24 mircea_popescu shoot.
15:24 Pierre_Rochard https://github.com/NakamotoInstitute/pacioli/blob/0.0.14/pacioli/treasury/treasury_utilities.py
15:24 assbot pacioli/treasury_utilities.py at 0.0.14 · NakamotoInstitute/pacioli · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1qBfICz )
15:25 Pierre_Rochard how do you want your gpg-encrypted invoices formatted?
15:25 Pierre_Rochard I remember you have an aversion to JSON so I shied away from that
15:25 mircea_popescu -a
15:25 mircea_popescu or what do you mean formatted ?
15:25 Pierre_Rochard data = "document:sales_invoice, id:%s \r\n" % invoice_id
15:25 Pierre_Rochard data += "address:%s, amount:%s \r\n" % (bitcoin_address, amount)
15:25 mircea_popescu ah, any csv thing works.
15:25 Pierre_Rochard I was thinking it should be both human readable and machine parsable
15:26 mircea_popescu imo
15:26 Pierre_Rochard Ok, and the CSV text as a file attachment or as just plaintext in the email?
15:26 mircea_popescu plaintext, armored.
15:26 Pierre_Rochard got it
15:26 mircea_popescu scam
15:26 mircea_popescu i was promised hate.
15:27 Pierre_Rochard haha, maybe when you test it out you’ll have some invective
15:28 mircea_popescu or maybe i'll just have some apple pie instead!
15:28 mircea_popescu re huobi and "exchanges" http://std3.ru/64/dd/1416432624-64dd7f82348c2acd46e41423331ab894.jpg
15:28 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1qBhjIs )
15:29 Pierre_Rochard apple pie <- that’s what I’m shooting for
15:33 mircea_popescu btw, anyone read gustav fechner ?
15:33 mircea_popescu physicist turned metaphysician under the guise of psychiatry.
15:44 Molt lol
15:47 The20YearIRCloud Looks like we're in contract (RentalStarter) On property #12 now too.
15:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70481 @ 0.00042804 = 30.1687 BTC [-]
16:00 BingoBoingo !up toddf
16:00 jurov lol The20YearIRCloud you'll soon get sizable chunk of ohio
16:02 The20YearIRCloud the slummy parts at least
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16:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00044197 = 11.226 BTC [+]
16:26 cazalla RE: huobi drama from earlier - i'm shitcanning pete's article on basis a) a post on reddit is rarely a reliable source b) i can't read chinese so it is difficult to confirm/verify what the links in the post on reddit claims
16:27 cazalla trixisowned, you could've gone about this in a better fashion and outlining one scam is not an endorsement of others, if anything, this speaks more to qntra's need for a chinese to english writer
16:32 thestringpuller got the poster nubbins
16:32 thestringpuller nubbins` ***
16:33 nubbins` ah
16:33 nubbins` bout time :D
16:40 TomServo +mircea_popescu | show, don't tell. when you tell a) everyone knows you're lying, whethetr you are not not and b) nobody can be bothered to go look anymore. fucking show. always. << Wouldn't this also apply to your qntra article?
16:40 * TomServo ducks.
16:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24451 @ 0.0004266 = 10.4308 BTC [-] {2}
16:55 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2014/11/us-department-of-justice-kim-dotcom-cant-challenge-asset-forfiture/
16:55 assbot US Department of Justice: Kim Dotcom can't challenge asset forfiture | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSZ8NQ )
17:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00042489 = 7.2019 BTC [-]
17:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.001197 = 1.197 BTC [-]
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17:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75100 @ 0.00042589 = 31.9843 BTC [+] {2}
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18:12 mats_cd03 ;;ticker
18:12 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 355.1, Best ask: 355.54, Bid-ask spread: 0.44000, Last trade: 355.09, 24 hour volume: 16517.18039886, 24 hour low: 351.8, 24 hour high: 381.8, 24 hour vwap: 363.832783744
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18:40 cazalla http://qntra.net/2014/11/canadian-bankers-association-on-bitcoin-were-not-for-it-or-against-it/
18:40 assbot Canadian Bankers Association On Bitcoin: "We're Not For It Or Against It" | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Apyn76 )
18:44 thestringpuller ;;seen diana_coman
18:44 gribble diana_coman was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 1 day, 7 hours, 56 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <diana_coman> I'm to blame for Sweete__ being here, since he pm-ed me about trading and I asked him why wasn't he in here if he was a trader
18:51 BingoBoingo !up MissShibe
18:53 MissShibe Hi all, if anyone has lost money in Moolah / Cryptsy we are working on a class action lawsuit against Ryan Kennedy.
18:53 MissShibe Send me a PM for more info
18:53 BingoBoingo MissShibe When you want to contact press for announcements press is here
18:54 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/ << Legit money news outlet MissShibe
18:54 assbot Qntra.net | Bitcoin News, Views & Commentary ... ( http://bit.ly/1p0hhJ2 )
18:54 MissShibe Oh, thanks
18:55 undata MissShibe: hah, did cryptsy go down?
18:55 BingoBoingo Home of hard hitting pieces like http://qntra.net/2014/11/mcxnow-says-it-is-becoming-mtmox/
18:55 assbot mcxNow Says it is Becoming mtMOX | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ApBGLy )
18:56 punkman Pierre_Rochard: I'd make format pluggable
18:56 MissShibe undata, No, it's to do with Moolah and Syscoin
18:57 BingoBoingo So when you want get to the point where you want to do interviews and such about lawsuit, there is scam hating journo outfit to go to
18:57 MissShibe Great, I will let the organisers know!
18:57 BingoBoingo Thanks
18:57 MissShibe Just dropping by cryptocurrency channels looking for others who are interested in exploring legal action at this stage
18:58 BingoBoingo Good luck
18:59 Pierre_Rochard punkman: quick search for "pluggable format python" didn't turn anything up, please elaborate
19:03 punkman Pierre_Rochard: well you know one guy wants JSON, other guy wants CSV, make it so it's not hard to use something other than the default
19:04 punkman Pierre_Rochard: I kinda like TOML
19:06 Pierre_Rochard ah, I see, I'll add those options once I've shipped v0.1. Thank you for the idea
19:08 Pierre_Rochard right now I'm setting it up so that other pacioli servers can import the invoices / purchase orders
19:11 punkman Pierre_Rochard: will probably need something like this at some point: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pluginloader/0.1.3
19:11 assbot pluginloader 0.1.3 : Python Package Index ... ( http://bit.ly/1F5WzJS )
19:12 Pierre_Rochard ah, yes, this will come in handy
19:16 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
19:16 gribble Current Blocks: 330918 | Current Difficulty: 4.03000303278914E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 332639 | Next Difficulty In: 1721 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 20 hours, 14 minutes, and 19 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 38887362841.3 | Estimated Percent Change: -3.50538
19:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46800 @ 0.00041957 = 19.6359 BTC [-] {2}
19:34 xanthyos miss me?
19:35 xanthyos i'm in extraordinary pain
19:35 BingoBoingo xanthyos: Of course you were missed.
19:36 xanthyos https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B27NMbuCAAAxOKa.jpg
19:36 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1vuowMc )
19:36 xanthyos in case anyone thinks i was faking
19:36 xanthyos still wearing my hosp bracelet
19:36 xanthyos can't take the gauze off my cock until saturday
19:36 xanthyos probably will be scarred for life
19:37 BingoBoingo Hopefully it is a cool scar
19:37 xanthyos the surgeon's name was Richard Frink
19:37 xanthyos dickfrink
19:37 xanthyos he frinked my dick
19:37 BingoBoingo lol, fucking urologists have the punniest names
19:37 xanthyos i have vicodin
19:37 BingoBoingo You prolly need it
19:38 xanthyos the dilaudid they shot me up with was amazing
19:38 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
19:38 punkman how did you break the thing anyway?
19:38 xanthyos i can see why people ruin their lives for heroin
19:38 xanthyos i have an ocd ritual of bending it back to pop it so it relaxes because if i orgasm i have anxiety as an aftereffect
19:38 xanthyos clearly it was not a sustainable solution;.
19:38 BingoBoingo I got hit with the dilaudid during ball crisis this spring.
19:39 xanthyos they made it like it was something to be embarassed over
19:39 xanthyos but i'm owning it
19:40 xanthyos http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=xanthyos&sign=ANY&type=RECV << nice none of you neg rated me for my TMI
19:40 assbot Rating Details for User 'xanthyos' ... ( http://bit.ly/1F62639 )
19:40 BingoBoingo Why would you be negged for being open about a cock crisis?
19:40 cazalla http://qntra.net/2014/11/gavin-andresen-core-development-has-more-resources-than-ever-but-we-cant-pay-you/
19:40 assbot Gavin Andresen: Core Development Has More Resources Than Ever! But We Can't Pay You | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1F62hLP )
19:41 xanthyos because it's offtopic maybe, and speaks to my mental instability which could be seen as a reason to distrust, idk
19:41 cazalla xanthyos, chicks dig scars.. why in pain though? i thought you guys can have as much oxy as one pleases there?
19:42 xanthyos no
19:42 BingoBoingo cazalla: That used to be the deal, but no more
19:42 xanthyos i got 30 tablets of acetaminophen/oxy
19:42 xanthyos 500 mg tylenol for 5 mg heroin
19:42 xanthyos rough ratio, big pills
19:42 cazalla xanthyos, share the love
19:43 punkman I had surgery to remove a tricky wisdom toothonce and they sent me on my way with 2 paracetamol tablets
19:44 xanthyos are you in the uk?
19:45 xanthyos the socialist NHS has to cut costs somewhere, eh?
19:45 cazalla punkman, weird eh, a gp gave me oxy for a sore neck
19:45 punkman nah not UK, some shithole in south-east europe
19:45 xanthyos albania?
19:46 punkman I scrounged up some paracetamol+codeine tablets, worked out ok
19:46 cazalla xanthyos, don't be playing with it while it heals too, 10 years no sex, i imagine maybe you get a bit furious with it at times
19:46 punkman but I expected a bit more after the fuckers drilled into my jaw-bone or whatever
19:46 xanthyos i masturbate as infrequently as possible but when i go i empty the thing
19:46 xanthyos usually 4 consecutive orgasms
19:48 BingoBoingo qntra takes criticism better than Verizon http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/11/verizons-widely-mocked-tech-news-site-hasnt-published-anything-in-weeks/
19:48 assbot Verizon’s widely mocked tech news site hasn’t published anything in weeks | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1F63KSb )
19:50 ben_vulpes <xanthyos> i have an ocd ritual of bending it back to pop it
19:50 * ben_vulpes flaps hands in distress
19:51 punkman hah
19:51 xanthyos i'v ebeen doing it for 20 years and never had a problem til now
19:51 ben_vulpes cannot unthink that
19:51 ben_vulpes bending it back to pop...
19:51 ben_vulpes i don't even know what you're *describing*
19:51 xanthyos it feels good but i don't recommend it now tht i'ave had this experince
19:51 cazalla i still don't follow how you "bend" or "pop" it xanthyos, please to be making an instructional video
19:51 xanthyos no
19:51 xanthyos it's like a knuckle
19:51 * ben_vulpes flaps more
19:51 mod6 pop goes the weasel
19:51 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: It's actually a traditional think in Iran and Turkey. Also... Those regions lead the world in this sort of injury.
19:52 xanthyos really?
19:52 BingoBoingo Yeah
19:52 cazalla maybe yours is different, i dunno, i don't think my cock is like my knuckles at all
19:52 xanthyos the fucking MUSLIMS do it?
19:52 xanthyos gross
19:52 punkman dafuq
19:52 ben_vulpes yeah
19:52 mircea_popescu so here's a simple computing test for your platform. 1) open a 100mb text file. if your editor croaks, you're running windows. 2) go to the end and depress the pageup key. count to sixty / wait a full minute. depress the key. if the scroll stops immediately you are running good unix. if it keeps going... well...
19:52 kakobrekla now that you cant bend to pop, mebbe you can pull to pop?
19:52 BingoBoingo ;;google Taqaandan
19:52 gribble Penile fracture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penile_fracture>; Findings | Harper's Magazine: <http://harpers.org/archive/2009/04/findings-4/>; Preventing penile fractures and Peyronie's disease - Los Angeles ...: <http://articles.latimes.com/2009/feb/09/health/la-hew-mating9-2009feb09>
19:52 xanthyos all the computers in the hospital were running windows
19:53 kakobrekla actually there are several text editors for windows that eat 100mb file like nothing
19:53 nubbins` gvim!
19:53 xanthyos http://gyazo.com/b227734dcbe41c605913af37b5a3b43d
19:53 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1F64O8D )
19:53 nubbins` notepad++!
19:54 xanthyos SFW^
19:54 mircea_popescu kakobrekla jus' sayin
20:04 ben_vulpes btw watched tinker tailor solider spy the other night
20:04 ben_vulpes muchly enjoyable
20:04 punkman playin with gpg sig combiner: http://dpaste.com/3WP2R9Q.txt
20:04 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1F66sqZ )
20:04 punkman .deed http://dpaste.com/3WP2R9Q.txt
20:04 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1F66sY6 )
20:04 punkbot punkman: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
20:05 punkman guess it works
20:06 punkman just need to dearmor sigs, concatenate, armor again and it's good to go
20:10 BingoBoingo !up elliot_
20:12 ben_vulpes ;;google htop columns
20:12 gribble Htop columns description | The sky's the limit: <http://chanmannlim.wordpress.com/2013/04/26/htop-columns-description/>; Ubuntu Manpage: htop - interactive process viewer: <http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man1/htop.1.html>; htop - Monitor Linux processes in real time (Real world Linux) - IBM: (1 more message)
20:12 ben_vulpes wow i just briefly witnessed a server error in google
20:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: text editor experiment << when you build 'emacs', you can select 'use mmap for buffers' as a compile flag.
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20:15 asciilifeform iirc, this is (for some perverse reason) not default under linux.
20:19 mircea_popescu what does it use otherwise ?
20:19 mircea_popescu systemd ?
20:19 asciilifeform otherwise snarf the whole thing in
20:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00042897 = 5.5337 BTC [+]
20:22 mircea_popescu even so you know ?
20:22 mircea_popescu 1% of avail memory, since when is that a problem
20:22 asciilifeform since braindead allocators
20:22 mircea_popescu kinda my point.
20:23 mircea_popescu i'm not arguing something like "o, you know, there's no way around it". more like, "why the fuck should finding ways around it even be a consideration at all"
20:24 asciilifeform starts out with innocent symptoms like this, end up like yours truly, ranting at hapless strangers about trinary logic made of muller's gates.
20:24 mircea_popescu lol. i dun care how they implement it.
20:28 asciilifeform sometimes, however, the gizmo cares how implemented. (consider the case of the airplane, which stubbornly resisted being powered by steam engine on account of the latter's poor power-to-mass ratio. etc)
20:30 asciilifeform (exercise for student. can you posit a planet such that steam airplane - using reciprocating engine - functions there? gravity must be less than ours, but atmosphere dense enough to create lift at achievable speeds and propeller thrust)
20:31 asciilifeform ^ nasty multivariable boojum
20:31 mircea_popescu actually no, that planet does not exist.
20:31 mircea_popescu do the energy calculation, friction vs lift.
20:32 asciilifeform that's the answer i got, when this puzzle was given to me, yes
20:32 asciilifeform but why spoil for n00bz
20:32 mircea_popescu there's a limit to the smallest energy density that can fly, period, no matter any other considerations
20:32 mircea_popescu well, what is this if not the intellectual rape channel ? that's what we do, we spoil noobs.
20:33 asciilifeform l0l n00bz should sweat a bit, build muscle.
20:33 * asciilifeform imagines that someone, somewhere, actually attempts his puzzles
20:33 mircea_popescu (people that object readily to "oh but comets can fly and no engine there" be confused as to what "energy density" means. calculate v**2 for comet)
20:34 asciilifeform well, for some value of 'fly' that is not simply an orbit
20:34 mircea_popescu no, that's what i mean. for fly period.
20:34 asciilifeform aha if you count kinetic e, trivially true
20:34 asciilifeform by definition, lol
20:34 mircea_popescu course you do
20:34 mircea_popescu exactly :)
20:35 * mircea_popescu is a fundamentals man.
20:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu never leaves dynamite at home when going fishing
20:35 mircea_popescu if you can fuck her with the cock, why use your finger ?
20:35 mircea_popescu at least, that's what i feel about it.
20:35 asciilifeform valid approach.
20:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform but in the same vein of "hard problems, if you're new here", you know the two trains and fly one im sure
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20:37 mircea_popescu actually iirc it was stated here, mebbe last year.
20:38 asciilifeform !s trains fly
20:38 assbot 0 results for 'trains fly' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=trains+fly
20:38 mircea_popescu ugh.
20:38 mircea_popescu well anyway : two trains moving on the same track leave simultaneously 29 miles apart, one doing 5mph the other 7mp. a fly caugh between them flies straight until it reaches a train then turns back and recurses, doing 9mph.
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20:39 mircea_popescu calculate total fly flown distance.
20:39 mircea_popescu or we, 11 instead of 9, so it's prime too.
20:40 punkman I heard an underwater dynamite explosion while diving once, almost shat myself
20:41 asciilifeform distance flown == time to collision x fly speed.
20:42 asciilifeform how else.
20:43 mircea_popescu you could integrate it.
20:43 asciilifeform but no reason to.
20:44 mircea_popescu well there's no reason not to count e's either
20:44 asciilifeform lol
20:44 mircea_popescu :)
20:44 mircea_popescu anyway, where i'm from it's traditionally given to 15-16yos taking their first year of analysis
20:44 mircea_popescu so teachers can laugh at dumb fucking kids entrhalled with their new magic
20:45 cazalla can someone load a post on their mobile and see if there is a big white gap between navbar and the post itself?
20:45 mircea_popescu "you don't have to make yourself magic pork and beans just because you have a magic wand you ninny"
20:45 mircea_popescu cazalla ipad count ?
20:45 asciilifeform variation on ancient olympiad problem.
20:45 cazalla yes
20:45 asciilifeform incidentally, classic: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1110.1556.pdf
20:45 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1r2qDzF )
20:46 cazalla mircea_popescu, does it look like this http://imgur.com/R6KHRw4 ?
20:46 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1r2qCvB )
20:46 asciilifeform ^ sorry no ascii version, maths puzzles
20:46 mircea_popescu cazalla tis fine. flashing gif mebbe a little distraction
20:46 cazalla mircea_popescu, point of an advert yeah?
20:46 mircea_popescu no.
20:46 mircea_popescu mebbe. arguably.
20:46 cazalla mircea_popescu, load a post, not qntra.net itself
20:46 mircea_popescu ah
20:47 mircea_popescu nope.
20:47 cazalla maybe it's just related to the ipad 2
20:47 BingoBoingo cazalla: Maybe, Maybe ipad needs to go to chopshop to check for NSA?
20:48 asciilifeform 'This is a special collection of problems that were given to select applicants during oral entrance exams to the math department of Moscow State University. These problems were designed to prevent Jewish people and other undesirables from getting a passing grade. Among problems that were used by the department to blackball unwanted candidate students, these problems are distinguished by having a simple solution
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20:48 asciilifeform that is difficult to find. Using problems with a simple solution protected the administration from extra complaints and appeals.'
20:48 mircea_popescu i don't get it. orthodox russian kids did find it ?
20:48 asciilifeform nah
20:48 asciilifeform it was problems to -give- to folks you needed to kick
20:49 mircea_popescu oh oh
20:49 asciilifeform in final rounds of an olympiad, judges select problems for the players individually
20:49 mircea_popescu bs.
20:49 mircea_popescu in romania that'd have never flied.
20:49 asciilifeform well, that particular one
20:49 mircea_popescu lol myeah i guess.
20:49 * asciilifeform was not in it, only knows from historical source
20:49 cazalla mircea_popescu, you should've seen the huge ass banner BingoBoingo put up before we settled on the box on sidebar :P
20:50 mircea_popescu anyway, VERY flashy is, in my humble and unexpert experience, counterproductive. so is very large.
20:50 asciilifeform (for n00bz: in honest olympiad, the puzzles are either same for all players, or come out of a hat)
20:50 mircea_popescu this isn't THAT bad on either score.
20:50 cazalla mircea_popescu, we discussed using text links either above/below each article as well, thoughts?
20:51 mircea_popescu kinda meh.
20:51 mircea_popescu if people want links let them go the original route, do something newsworthy. have a designated pr liaison and there you go.
20:53 cazalla that won't keep the advert current once new news is posted
20:54 cazalla text idea is that above or below an article, you have perhaps - sponsored name - blah blah come play mega dice win mega coins
20:54 cazalla rather than big ass banner at top of site, which we tried earlier
20:54 cazalla or better yet, we just scrap adverts all together and do trilema credits model
20:56 * BingoBoingo thinks for now flashing square is fine. Lets people know someone was brave enough to advertise.
20:57 asciilifeform (the original 'jewish puzzles' article quoted in earlier link: http://www.3038.org/press/shen.pdf )
20:57 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1r2sHru )
20:59 mircea_popescu cazalla i get the idea, but i dun see that it's such a good idea, either for us or for them
20:59 mircea_popescu maybe credits, but imo much too soon for that.
20:59 nubbins` "Construct (with ruler and compass) a square given one point from each side."
20:59 mircea_popescu nubbins` aka, diameter
21:00 mircea_popescu there are of course a bunch of iterative solutions to this problem, but that's "with computer" not ruler&compass.
21:02 nubbins` "Suppose A, B, C and D denote the points on the sides of the square, in order. Connect A and C. Draw a perpendicular from B to the segment AC. Let point D0 lie on the perpendicular given that the distance BD0 is the same as the length of AC. Then D0 belongs to the same side (or extension of the side) of the square as D. See Figure 14. Once we know from DD0 how the square is oriented, the rest is easy."
21:03 nubbins` o.O
21:03 asciilifeform if you can't 'draw' it in your head after reading this - drink less.
21:03 nubbins` clever
21:04 mircea_popescu quite.
21:04 asciilifeform all the linked puzzles have this property.
21:04 asciilifeform hence why they are memorable.
21:04 mircea_popescu of course they do select for the best quality in mathematicians
21:04 asciilifeform aha.
21:04 mircea_popescu which is, for lack of a different term, feminine guile.
21:05 asciilifeform i prefer 'finesse'
21:05 mircea_popescu as in pascal's esprit du finesse ?
21:05 asciilifeform aha.
21:06 mircea_popescu i dunno. shooting a deer with a single bullet is finesse. taming it is a different thing.
21:06 asciilifeform taming - engineer.
21:06 mircea_popescu im unconvinced.
21:06 mircea_popescu "1. Treacherous cunning; skillful deceit."
21:06 mircea_popescu how can you argue with that ? it's *exactly* what it is.
21:07 asciilifeform finesse: convince deer to shoot himself in the head with one bullet.
21:07 mircea_popescu not so.
21:07 mircea_popescu finesse is the ability to make mayonaise by hand. a practice, anyone can be taught it.
21:08 mircea_popescu but anyway, granted, the classical terminology is geometry & finesse.
21:08 BingoBoingo Marketing though is making a hand with mayonaise
21:09 nubbins` the invisible mayo
21:09 mircea_popescu Différence entre l'esprit de géométrie et l'esprit de finesse. - En l'un, les principes sont palpables, mais éloignés de l'usage commun ; de sorte qu'on a peine à tourner la tête de ce côté-là, manque d'habitude : mais, pour peu qu'on l'y tourne, on voit les principes à plein; et il faudrait avoir tout à fait l'esprit faux pour mal raisonner sur des principes si gros qu'il est presque impossible qu'ils éch
21:09 mircea_popescu appent.
21:09 mircea_popescu Mais, dans l'esprit de finesse, les principes sont dans l'usage commun et devant les yeux de tout le monde. On n'a que faire de tourner la tête, ni de se faire violence; il n'est question que d'avoir bonne vue, mais il faut l'avoir bonne; car les principes sont si déliés et en si grand nombre, qu'il est presque impossible qu'il n'en échappe. Or, l'omission d'un principe mène à l'erreur; ainsi, il faut avoir la vu
21:09 mircea_popescu e bien nette pour voir tous les principes, et ensuite l'esprit juste pour ne pas raisonner faussement sur des principes connus.
21:09 mircea_popescu Tous les géomètres seraient donc fins s'ils avaient la vue bonne, car ils ne raisonnent pas faux sur les principes qu'ils connaissent; et les esprits fins seraient géomètres s'ils pouvaient plier leur vue vers les principes inaccoutumés de géométrie.
21:10 mircea_popescu this is imo a major contribution to western thought.
21:10 asciilifeform no shit.
21:13 asciilifeform incidentally, imho one of the best ways to learn about the character of someone you recently met, is to watch him solve puzzle.
21:13 mircea_popescu no shit & no homo!
21:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's why women invented dating.
21:13 asciilifeform (or her!)
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21:34 BingoBoingo !up WolfGoethe
21:35 nubbins` !up menahem
21:35 nubbins` american apparel products have a superior printing surface
21:37 mircea_popescu i shall file this nugget away in my archives of data.
21:40 nubbins` (translation: "this conversation is logged")
21:42 BingoBoingo !up Dr-G2
21:42 BingoBoingo !up Dr-G3
21:42 BingoBoingo !up Vexual
21:43 Vexual hi, how goes the qntra.net traffic?
21:43 mircea_popescu "Congratulation, Transfer $50,000 has been today transferred the account, attached is the transfer copy ( proof of payment) for your view."
21:43 BingoBoingo Vexual: Was poor yesterday, prolly because DNS DDoS
21:44 mircea_popescu shit, if only the transfer weren't a zipfile, i could be 50k richer
21:44 asciilifeform first national spam bank is best bank.
21:44 mircea_popescu ugh, is quantcast down ?
21:44 BingoBoingo https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net
21:45 BingoBoingo Quantcast is slow.
21:45 mircea_popescu well... if they're slow altogether like serving the js that may also account.
21:45 mircea_popescu anyway, check it out, 248k round!
21:46 BingoBoingo Yeah, Top Quarter million bitches!
21:46 mircea_popescu internet's 1%!
21:46 nubbins` Vexual http://mopey.bandcamp.com/track/supply-and-demand
21:46 assbot Supply and Demand | Mopey ... ( http://bit.ly/1uNrABl )
21:55 thestringpuller !up menahem
21:59 Vexual did i read correctly qntra has actual income now?
22:00 BingoBoingo Vexual: Not yet. We are playing with the idea of a single ad
22:01 Vexual ah cool
22:02 mircea_popescu wait so it's free ?
22:02 decimation asciilifeform: did you see this: http://christophe.rhodes.io/notes/blog/posts/2014/reproducible_builds_-_a_month_ahead_of_schedule/ << not being a lisp guy, I find it mystifying
22:02 assbot reproducible builds - a month ahead of schedule ... ( http://bit.ly/1uNs5eG )
22:02 BingoBoingo Mostly to get an idea of what we find acceptable for ads, when we start getting solicitations for other ads
22:02 asciilifeform decimation: what's the mystery here?
22:03 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It's a revenue share thing, dunno its been up long enough to get clicked yet
22:03 Vexual quantcast says your traffic is largely wealthy educated asians, thats some quality traffic
22:03 BingoBoingo I know.
22:03 mircea_popescu Vexual and politically active, non partisan, mega rich mega educated folk.
22:03 asciilifeform decimation: 'sbcl' is a compiler. (a very spiffy compiler, that you can generally use in precisely the same ways folks used primitive interpreter-only lisps, but still a compiler.)
22:03 mircea_popescu it's pretty much distilled trendsetters over there, no hipsters allowed.
22:04 asciilifeform quantcase << i always wondered, where do these figures come from? sheep entrails?
22:04 asciilifeform *quantcast
22:04 BingoBoingo Prolly. Maybe from reading Angry Ram's turds
22:04 cazalla mircea_popescu: wait so it's free ? <<< lol yes, not a paid placement, this is more a test anyway
22:04 mircea_popescu you buncha shrewed negotiators you :D
22:05 BingoBoingo Oh, wait till the Minzors approach with offers
22:05 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i shall not dispute "statistics" that wildly favour my position.
22:05 cazalla well, this is why i told Namworld to speak with you and that he did and was promptly sent back to me
22:05 decimation yeah I get the fact that it is a compiler, but why would you want to use it to compile itself and then use the compiler to recreate the target lisp?
22:06 cazalla the one advert makes it look like million dollar homepage so we may as well go full throttle now
22:06 asciilifeform decimation: this was printed on the crate! determinism.
22:06 mircea_popescu lol temperance my good man, is the whorish mother of all riches.
22:07 asciilifeform decimation: also the argument that no programming system is really 'adult' unless it can swallow its own tail without gagging.
22:08 decimation yeah this test automatically fails C and its descendants
22:08 BingoBoingo Well, ad nao has more modest sidebar placement. Don't want to seem like too cheap a hooker when second potential advertiser wants to negotiate
22:09 asciilifeform decimation: nah. very basic test. 'c' builds with self.
22:09 decimation but can it synthesize c after compiling? I suppose it could
22:09 asciilifeform decimation: this one wasn't self-comprehension or any 'fancy' magic of the sort. just elementary question of 'does x compiler build with self'
22:10 decimation ah okay, I was thinking the former
22:13 asciilifeform ;;isup trilema.com
22:13 gribble trilema.com is up
22:13 asciilifeform ;;isup down
22:13 gribble down is up
22:13 asciilifeform ^
22:14 mircea_popescu lolsrsly ?
22:14 decimation ;;isup what
22:14 gribble what is up
22:14 cazalla qntra down here for me too
22:15 asciilifeform same.
22:15 cazalla decimation, got any supdog?
22:16 decimation hehe
22:20 thestringpuller did qntra just go down?
22:20 thestringpuller still up for me
22:20 mircea_popescu i see it too, who's to know.
22:21 mircea_popescu !up alevin
22:21 decimation down for me
22:22 TomServo same here
22:23 mircea_popescu TomServo decimation is this a matter of you not resolving the domain ? what's dig qntra.net say ?
22:23 punkman I lol'd http://pastebin.com/zBWAX6Q7
22:24 decimation let me try
22:24 TomServo resolves to 23.235.236.98
22:24 decimation yeah resolves the same here
22:25 mircea_popescu that'd be correct. hum.
22:25 cazalla fuck it, i'm over it, gonna put a rabbit in the pan
22:25 BingoBoingo Not the black one yet, May need more pics for Qntra branding
22:25 mircea_popescu lol
22:28 BingoBoingo !up Vexual
22:29 BingoBoingo I mean look at that twitter avatar https://twitter.com/qntra
22:29 assbot Qntra (@qntra) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1uNsHkm )
22:29 mircea_popescu well i dunno about you good folk, but various wp comment spammers still manage to dutifully connect, propose their post crud, get the required 500 and so on.
22:29 BingoBoingo Yeah they do
22:29 mircea_popescu lol location @la serenissima, nice
22:30 mircea_popescu "The Bitcon Fundation cant pay for what it needs because it has 57.875 BTC left from 5,878.222 BTC raised."
22:30 mircea_popescu ahahaha epic.
22:30 asciilifeform nah, 5000 but reserved for coke.
22:31 mircea_popescu "why mp keep saying vessenes be stealing!!!! mp is such bad!!!"
22:31 mircea_popescu "o noes vessenes stoled!! WHO COULD HAS PREDIKT!!!"
22:31 mircea_popescu "clearly bitcoin needs moar technologiez! brb making shartup"
22:32 mircea_popescu it gets so old this shit...
22:32 Vexual ;;seen jurov
22:32 gribble jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 hours, 31 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <jurov> lol The20YearIRCloud you'll soon get sizable chunk of ohio
22:33 Vexual sounds cokey
22:35 mircea_popescu ;;isup log.bitcoin-assets.com
22:35 gribble log.bitcoin-assets.com is up
22:36 mircea_popescu well it's down for me, parallel universes.
22:36 kakobrekla O_o
22:36 mircea_popescu nao it loaded.
22:36 kakobrekla didnt do anything
22:37 BingoBoingo OMG NSA, let's burn the computers and teletype baudot on the 160 meter band
22:37 mircea_popescu you winked didn'tcha ?
22:37 kakobrekla no i was still O_O
22:38 mircea_popescu thestringpuller: got the poster nubbins << no fucking way, i had so much $$$ riding against this!11
22:38 mircea_popescu *: TomServo ducks. << yes.
22:38 TomServo heh
22:38 mircea_popescu otherthings would also apply, but that's aside.
22:39 BingoBoingo !up RetroUpriser
22:39 mircea_popescu heh i mean "yes would apply". not that ducking's bad policy generally.
22:40 mircea_popescu MissShibe: Hi all, if anyone has lost money in Moolah / Cryptsy we are working on a class action lawsuit against Ryan Kennedy. <<< because "class action" suits exist for the purpose of allowing a bunch of derps to not have to pay anything in civil claims against individuals now.
22:40 mircea_popescu that's TOTALLY how that works.
22:41 mircea_popescu "your honor, we seek class action status for our suit here" "who is the defendant ?" "some guy"
22:41 mircea_popescu judge falls over.
22:41 xanthyos ;;rate alevin 2 Known thorugh EFNet channels nearly a decade. "Seinfeld" expert. Buddhism aspirant.
22:41 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user alevin has been recorded.
22:42 mircea_popescu there can be no other seinfeld expert! who is this challenger!
22:42 Vexual hey, we got al jolson here!
22:42 mircea_popescu ;;later tell missshibe hey, maybe instead of a class action suit against random bankrupt derp, you could organise a comet landing against him ? at least it'd be a novel novelty item...
22:42 gribble The operation succeeded.
22:42 Vexual what the fuck even is moolah?
22:43 kakobrekla buddhism is scam wiht nice css
22:43 asciilifeform moolah << chumpatronium
22:43 mircea_popescu kakobrekla no it's not, i met tons of bangin' buddhist chicks.
22:43 kakobrekla bangin.
22:43 Vexual yeah, but you read the old languages
22:43 mircea_popescu it's legit pizdolosophy.
22:43 assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1BPTKSX.txt )
22:43 asciilifeform !b 1
22:44 danielpbarron ;;rate alevin 2 boring mental case that fetishizes abstinence
22:44 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user alevin has been recorded.
22:44 kakobrekla jesus is also scam
22:44 kakobrekla but with poor css
22:44 Vexual about this wide
22:44 * kakobrekla ducks for the rocks
22:45 BingoBoingo kakobrekla: Jesus wasn't a scam till Peter and Paul got into a fight over marketing and royalties. made good tables.
22:45 BingoBoingo A++ Carpenter
22:45 kakobrekla hehe
22:45 mircea_popescu i hear his tables were leanin'.
22:46 BingoBoingo Well, he had to break them in with Ms Magadaline
22:47 mircea_popescu xanthyos: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B27NMbuCAAAxOKa.jpg << dude got a decent beard.
22:47 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1vuowMc )
22:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00043 = 12.599 BTC [+]
22:48 xanthyos thanks
22:49 BingoBoingo So interesting advertising match made in hell I spotted on the interwebz. Gawker Media and Weatherby rifles.
22:49 mircea_popescu ahahaah
22:49 mircea_popescu punkman: nah not UK, some shithole in south-east europe << wait srsly ?! i always figured you for a brit.
22:50 mircea_popescu what shithole, like bulgaria ?
22:52 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Seriously behold the liberals shilling for botique rifle http://indefinitelywild.gizmodo.com/how-math-makes-smaller-bullets-deadlier-1627307057
22:52 assbot The Simple Math of Why Smaller Bullets Are Deadlier ... ( http://bit.ly/1z089nL )
22:52 punkman mircea_popescu: griechenland
22:52 mircea_popescu *: ben_vulpes flaps more << i have nfi what he's on about either, if that helps anything.
22:52 mircea_popescu punkman i thought greece was all cool and shit.
22:53 punkman that was a long time ago
22:53 * mircea_popescu has known 3 greek chicks. splendid butts, each of 'em.
22:54 Vexual aesthetic skills never lost
22:55 BingoBoingo Greeks get their butts from Armenia
22:55 mircea_popescu i thought turkey.
22:55 Vexual calamari skills too
22:55 mircea_popescu the turks reproduced through anal intercourse with their womenz for all of the renaissance
22:55 mircea_popescu and so they... adapted ?
22:56 asciilifeform 'a woman - for duty, a boy - for pleasure, but a melon - for ecstasy.' -- turkish proverb
22:56 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Turks got their butts from Armenia too, that's why they had to genocide the men
22:56 * mircea_popescu has never had armenian butts.
22:56 punkman poor armenians
22:56 BingoBoingo Isn't that what Kim is
22:57 mircea_popescu well yeah but how did i have kim.
22:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform wait, a melon what, stabbed threateningly ?
22:57 decimation I got a qntra page with a 127.0.0.1 link
22:57 asciilifeform porked vigorously
22:57 mircea_popescu what url were you loading ?
22:57 * asciilifeform wasn't there, did not see proverb in action
22:57 decimation qntra.net
22:58 decimation the home page
22:58 mircea_popescu o.O
22:58 mircea_popescu THE DDOSER HAS BEEN FOUND
22:58 decimation it could have been malformed I suppose
22:58 decimation eh?
22:58 mircea_popescu i bet you thought you were pretty smart didja! but your gig is up nao!!
22:58 kakobrekla same here btw
22:58 mircea_popescu i dunno dood, for some reason it thinks you're molesting it.
22:58 kakobrekla i think it cached locally
22:59 kakobrekla decimation try http://qntra.net/a
22:59 assbot Qntra.net | Bitcoin News, Views & Commentary ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0adfr )
23:00 decimation can't get there now
23:00 mircea_popescu i get what assbot said, http://qntra.net/2014/10/a-free-bitcoin-atm-machine-for-suitable-hosts/
23:00 assbot A Free* Bitcoin ATM Machine For Suitable Hosts | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0akaJ )
23:00 decimation the only reason I noticed is because noscript fired off something
23:01 decimation yeah it is something in my browser cache
23:02 decimation on one computer when I try to go to qntra.net the "ABE" noscript warning pops up blocking a get to 127.0.0.1
23:02 decimation instantly (from cache)
23:02 decimation on another computer it just hangs
23:03 kakobrekla anyway /a works here
23:03 mircea_popescu decimation it redirects what it considers hostile traffix to 127.0.0.1
23:03 mircea_popescu obviously it shouldn't trigger like that.
23:03 decimation interesting
23:04 decimation ah now it just came up (/a) without the error
23:05 decimation maybe I was hitting reload too many times
23:05 mircea_popescu it's an approximation not a science this thing.
23:05 decimation indeed.
23:05 TomServo I'm getting it also.
23:06 punkman I wonder if banning datacenter/cloud/etc IPs would work
23:06 mircea_popescu anyway, typical usecase is : Host: 202.29.104.23 / Http Code: 301Date: Nov 20 23:05:07Http Version: HTTP/1.1Size in Bytes: 225 Referer: - Agent: WordPress/3.9.1; http://offpre.rmutp.ac.th; verifying pingback from 69.30.245.226
23:06 kakobrekla yes kako saves the day
23:06 nubbins` sweet
23:06 nubbins` this is better than free condoms
23:06 kakobrekla see ddoser now ddos /a
23:06 kakobrekla dont worry idiot, we will just use /b
23:07 mircea_popescu lmao wut ?
23:07 * asciilifeform just lost all 4 ccfl tubes in favourite lcd
23:07 asciilifeform ferfuckssake.
23:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform did you try to melon them ?
23:08 decimation sucks
23:08 nubbins` c'est un bummer
23:08 asciilifeform if 8+ yrs of 14h/d burn is 'meloning' - yes.
23:08 decimation replaces with high-intensity blue led, never sleep again
23:09 * BingoBoingo is now reaping the rewards of most badass candle upgrade ever
23:09 mircea_popescu decimation i had to tape over the fucking display lights on my ac here
23:09 mircea_popescu because it's new, and these idiots with the leds are like out of fucking control in their quest for laser beams.
23:09 decimation yeah I can 'see' blue leds through my closed eyes
23:09 nubbins` ^
23:10 mircea_popescu it shone right through 3-4 layers of ductape
23:10 decimation in the sense that they disturb my sleep
23:10 nubbins` lose the quotes off the see
23:10 BingoBoingo Blue light will make you go blind
23:10 mircea_popescu eventually i taped a businesscard in there. 1/16th inch of cardboard did it.
23:10 decimation there are many studies coming out that tend to point to blue light exposure as being really bad for sleep
23:10 nubbins` i've got a small 12-channel mixer i use for live shows that I had to putty over the power led (blue)
23:10 asciilifeform it being indicator for 'daylight' - yes, bad sleep
23:10 nubbins` literally so bright you couldn't read the knobs on a dark stage
23:10 thestringpuller lol nubbins` i'm framing your poster
23:11 nubbins` atta boy
23:11 nubbins` it's a special one
23:11 thestringpuller special edition
23:11 thestringpuller it has to flatten out first
23:11 nubbins` no doubt
23:12 thestringpuller good quality though. it'll go in the office
23:12 mircea_popescu ;;google i am the great cornholio
23:12 gribble "I AM THE GREAT CORNHOLIO!" - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5LseNXvG80>; Beavis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beavis>; Urban Dictionary: cornholio: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cornholio>
23:13 mircea_popescu somehow never gets old.
23:13 thestringpuller YES!!!!!!!!!!
23:13 thestringpuller Gimme t-p for my bungholio
23:14 thestringpuller never would take you for a beavis and butthead fan mircea_popescu
23:14 mircea_popescu why not ?
23:14 asciilifeform http://imgur.com/mA3Jknc << upper right hand corner - gone.
23:14 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1xY5pZz )
23:14 asciilifeform and it'll be a bitch to swap. like disassembling a pipe organ.
23:15 mod6 let's go over to stewert's houes and break stuff
23:15 thestringpuller ^^^
23:15 thestringpuller todd is so cool!
23:15 decimation asciilifeform: replace with trinitron!
23:15 mircea_popescu one day termites came to asciilifeform's house
23:15 mircea_popescu but then they gazed upon his great architectural achievements
23:16 mircea_popescu and left in shame.
23:16 asciilifeform decimation: i'd love to replace all 4 with trinitrons. but gave up after the umpteenth 'yes i promise it isn't burnt' and faded tube.
23:16 decimation heh yeah
23:16 asciilifeform decimation: virginal trinitrons may be extinct.
23:16 decimation I dumped my mostly burnt one in the local dump years ago
23:16 kakobrekla i gave away mine.
23:16 kakobrekla was still ok
23:17 mircea_popescu punishment for your soul ?
23:17 kakobrekla me? i did worse things.
23:17 * asciilifeform just dug out a 'radiforce g21' from emergency stash, but fears it may be too heavy for the hoist
23:18 asciilifeform !up Vexual
23:18 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or5zA-shiFU
23:18 assbot Cyber-Butt - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0f7Ji )
23:18 mircea_popescu clearly, mike judge invented buttcoins.
23:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.09 = 1.26 BTC [-]
23:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 268 @ 0.00650042 = 1.7421 BTC [-] {9}
23:20 decimation asciilifeform: you should buy a stack of plasma displays
23:20 decimation if they even make them anymore
23:20 asciilifeform decimation: so it can fade in six months? yuck.
23:21 mircea_popescu if you talk him into building his own vacuum tube i'm like negging you.
23:21 decimation hehe
23:21 decimation asciilifeform: today I was in usb driver hell, and then something occurred to me
23:22 decimation are you going to pay the $5k fee for a vid/pid for cardano?
23:22 asciilifeform phun phact. symbolics corp. had to contract to have tubes blown specially for lisp machine, as properly high-res crt was not available off the shelf
23:23 asciilifeform 1270x951, iirc.
23:24 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Samsung plasma monitors sold as TV's seem to have good longevity. Just need to sit at a distanc
23:24 asciilifeform sold as tv -> triangular pixels -> yuck
23:24 decimation I'm not sure they make plasma displays meant for computer
23:24 asciilifeform decimation: 5k fee >> what do you think.
23:24 decimation asciilifeform: yeah I know the answer I was just taunting you
23:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40246 @ 0.0004301 = 17.3098 BTC [+] {2}
23:25 decimation I think ftdi will give you a pid off of their vid if you use their chip
23:25 asciilifeform decimation: what do you think the answer to that is.
23:25 decimation would never use shitgnomery
23:26 asciilifeform cardano vid/pid - user-configurable. put that in pipe & smoke it.
23:26 decimation lol
23:26 mircea_popescu ^
23:26 decimation Imma gonna use microsoft
23:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform we might get sued!
23:26 xanthyos http://www.psy.ritsumei.ac.jp/~akitaoka/rotsnake7.gif << it's not really the gif that's animated, it's your brain.
23:27 Vexual im frightened of the filename
23:27 asciilifeform user recommended to use vid from defunct co.
23:27 asciilifeform or favourite chinese crapflash.
23:28 decimation here's a shopping list http://www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids
23:28 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1xY6CA8 )
23:28 asciilifeform decimation: phun phact about that list. i've mailed them pid/vids from devices not seen therein (legit, golden toilets) and it was never included.
23:29 decimation here's the official tollbooth http://www.usb.org/developers/vendor/
23:29 assbot USB.org - Getting a Vendor ID ... ( http://bit.ly/1xY6OiW )
23:30 decimation $5k one time, or for you today, $4k per year!
23:30 cazalla mr rabbit in rabbit form http://imgur.com/Qp0b6Fj do you see?! mr rabbit changing, reborn! http://imgur.com/6ojymOu do you see?!
23:30 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1xY6Qar )
23:30 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1xY6RLE )
23:30 decimation asciilifeform: I wonder if the linux-usb guys only accept 'official' pids
23:30 asciilifeform decimation: official ?
23:30 BingoBoingo cazalla: Ok, Mr Red Dragon
23:31 decimation paid $5k
23:31 asciilifeform decimation: ah but it was.
23:31 cazalla BingoBoingo, i only wish i had tomatoes :\
23:31 asciilifeform decimation: just one not featured in the list, because afaik i was the first to ever plug the damn thing into a linux box
23:31 asciilifeform and possibly no one has since.
23:31 asciilifeform (device was a 'tecan evo 200')
23:31 BingoBoingo cazalla: I kind of wish you would have cooked it in a little rabbit wheelchair like Phillip Seymore Hoffman
23:31 decimation yeah, they probably just didn't believe you
23:31 asciilifeform ;;google tecan evo 200
23:31 gribble Freedom EVO® - Tecan: <http://www.tecan.com/freedomevo>; Freedom EVO - Specifications - Tecan: <http://www.tecan.com/handler.asp?Id=2696>; Freedom EVO - Pictures - Tecan: <http://www.tecan.com/platform/apps/picturegallery/index.asp?MenuID=2697&ID=5275&Menu=1&Item=21.1.8.3&ImgNr=2&ImgId=441>
23:32 decimation wireshark usb sniffing is very handy I've discovered as well
23:33 asciilifeform aha.
23:37 * asciilifeform neglected to tell the surprising part of the dead lcd story - that replacing a side screen is a royal bitch on account of virtually all extant lcd being worthless in terms of poor vertical view angle tolerance
23:39 punkman I want one of those square LCDs EIZO announced
23:39 BingoBoingo Plasma
23:39 punkman http://www.maximumpc.com/eizos_square_shaped_flexscan_ev2730q_monitor_features_1920x1920_resolution
23:39 assbot Eizo's Square Shaped FlexScan EV2730Q Monitor Features a 1920x1920 Resolution | Maximum PC ... ( http://bit.ly/1xY7DrW )
23:40 BingoBoingo Only 720p, but... move the wall back
23:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.09 = 1.53 BTC [-]
23:43 BingoBoingo And yes, moving the wall further back is prolly more cost effective than finding an adequate monitor
23:44 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/h0d3r
23:45 assbot Hossein Derakhhshan (@h0d3r) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1xY81qp )
23:45 decimation asciilifeform: is that why you flip them vertically (better horizontal view angle)?
23:46 decimation BingoBoingo: I like the 1:1 aspect ratio
23:49 decimation I note that it is more popular on many tech forums to openly discuss ditching linux in favor of a 'unix' clone
23:49 decimation for some reason no one brings up solaris very often
23:55 BingoBoingo Solaris intoduces hell often trying to hunt drivers for a civilian machine
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