#trilema | 2014-11-23

oss-sec: Re: CVE-request: systemd-resolved DNS cache poisoning ... ( http://bit.ly/1zNRZyO )

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so impressive.

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mitre is just an epsilon short of being an official organ, yes

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'non-profit, ngo!'

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then 5 different names have to waste the time out of their day, come in and say yo fuckwits!

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and the usg wins anwyay, for the exact reason spam works : those five people were tied up for the five minutes they took to write and the however many it took them to consider all the angles.

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meanwhile the attackers can just keep right on firing packets

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and you know, talk abut "do-ocracy". the fake do-ocracy of they firing out syn packets and then closing the socket.

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and so you know, to quote pankkake, "So, we'll see if the end-users actually want to commit resources on not using systemd."

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right, those same resources that are drained away with crafted bullshit like this, a million different places.

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because there is no punishment for the anon derp hiding behind "From: cve-assign () mitre org"

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just like there's no punishment for the anon derp hiding behind "contributed a patch to openssh"

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mircea_popescu: this is why, in my unofficial wonderland, you can't even open a socket without transmitting an rsa-signed a 'this is me, and my wot' breath of life packet.

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asciilifeform in any case, my original change to github and generally the mangement of open source codebase of "add a read by X" field is not actually enough.

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undata hopes to see any of the things asciilifeform has described someday

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there must also somehow be added in there a "no dependencies" rule, somehow.

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"your program must work whether any or all the dependencies exist on the syste"

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and a simple "not all dependencies found, exiting" is not good enough.

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it must still do everything not related.

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this is not high science, it was the original intent of the lowly gnu autoconf, even.

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the fucking networking widget should instal and run without netbase, and do everything including populate the fucking fields and drawing the graphs.

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right. but follow through = exactly what you'd expect, if redmond ran things.

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portage does a pretty good job of that

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as long as the maintainer bothered, and the package is configurable

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this is actually true huh

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use flags are a bit of a blunt instrument, but they work

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yeah, you have a point.

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back to syn packets, signed breath-of-life neatly licks ddos.

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all comms answered in priority of wot rank.

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only if every router out there actually implements this scheduling

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it WOULD give the old re-routability properties of the web a lot of value again.

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ie, "are or are you not reachable through some node somewhere that doesn't think you're a total waste of biological matter."

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the exact opposite of "anonimity", of course.

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a 4096-bit rsa signature and key fp fit handily in a udp minimal packet.

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i'm going to confess now that i implemented this...

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and am sitting on it

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because not ready for battlefield yet, and other work

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mats_cd03: what is the origin of this 'power rangers' nick? << hours after the fork gavin & hearn brought upon the network through their alleged ineptitude (which allegation i don't credit, it was deliberate)

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asciilifeform: where's your kyristor post? I want to re-read it.

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the gushing hordes on reddit were so very impressed with how the idiots in question "fixed" the problem (through leveraging a 50%+1 attack against the blockchain, thourgh meanwhile discredited bircoin mining pools)

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undata: if you believe, http://kyristor.com

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kyristor ... ( http://bit.ly/1xFs7WC )

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that they went all "o you dudes are like power rangers"!!!

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wasn't talking about that, though.

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the name stuck.

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i liked asciis story better!

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'kyristor' was a set of pencilled notes in an old 3ring.

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asciilifeform: you're about a mile over my head, but the n-axis WoT idea has had my brain churning since hearing about it

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asciilifeform btw, march 2013 : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152027.msg1621729#msg1621729

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In re Bitcoin Devs are idiots ... ( http://bit.ly/1xFsnF2 )

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"I'm not sure this is getting through the fog of their own farts, but the group of power rangers has so far:

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1. Not produced one single brilliant solution to any actual problem.

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2. Stepped in a majority of the holes, landmines and caltrops available.

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1 is of particular concern, especially because it is so easily disprovable."

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mats_cd03 http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/bitcoinstats.htm#l6290716 << original quote.

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Transcript for #bitcoin-dev 2013/03/12 :: BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1xFsvEv )

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asciilifeform: I'm not sure you really need tcp at all if you have a crypto-wot

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asciilifeform: the crude idea I had previously was just trying to jam a WoT into the blockchain

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undata i recall this.

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why bother with the illusion of a private point-to-point connection if you can deploy a nice global namespace

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decimation: in point of fact, you can get by without either tcp or the proverbial 'bad reimplementation' of it

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I think mr. yarvin pointed to some internet elder figure who was hawking this idea (also urbit)

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decimation: one can use error-coding to get around lost and re-ordered packets.

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exactly

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tcp really is pretty retarded if you think about

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this also neatly dovetails into 'apocalyptic shortwave radio' net.

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it violates the principle of "the highest protocol layer ought to control" (end-to-end argument)

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decimation it's not retarded if you think of how fucking cheap it is.

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exactly

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think about that. think about the early days of bbs, which is how routing fucking got invented in the first placer

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"deliver all the mail locally, cheaper calls"

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mircea_popescu: the excess packets - cheap. the ddosyness - no.

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well, in elder days when the internet wasn't full of orcs it kinda seemed ok

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now the costs are different

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asciilifeform it was five cents a minute yo! at the time a minute meant one page, or a gallon of gasoline.

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everything in future will work - or not - depending on how readily it cuts through swaths of orcs.

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the point is, IP provides an elegant many-to-many mapping of network nodes

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if the average per-kb page of internet communication were one gallon of gasoline, i wouldn't have to explain to idiots why i don't want to see "webcasts" and why im in irc.

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tcp pretends that doesn't exist

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for the reason.

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that most calls cost money, but plenty didn't, so optimized.

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really, what the existing internet fails at is a decent multicast model

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Vexual: remember, this lady prolly get free handbags and parties << not in romania, not really. she gets free $5 drinks. which... you know.

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this too could be implemented with crypto-wot routers

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!up Vexual

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kakobrekla: no that wasnt the question << i guess time will tell no ?

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lol she might as well be cazallas au pair

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decimation you sound like an adult man falling in love with a dirty young hussy.

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heh

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wotnet.

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'you read it here phirst (tm)'

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mircea_popescu no the question was did someone abuse the britneychain

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well, multicast might be a shortcoming in ip

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bad in da day.

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bak*

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kakobrekla well we don't know yet and apparently won't know for a while, rigt ?

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i personally blame ben_vulpes

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we (tm) don't think so, but we (tm) would very much like this cultish belief verified independently and scientifically.

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and if it did, what is one going to do about it. (my take is: nothing, continue to suck cock)

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kakobrekla sell out bitcoin, start new implementation.

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the revolution can not be stopped.

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we do it anyway, lets not pretend on top.

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can at least upgrade to sucking with disgust, rather than unwittingly, or worse, eagerly

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kakobrekla i do not see it.

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asciilifeform no, i would just sell all my bitcoins, start a new chain.

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new new chain on great great x86

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that's what i meant by http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-11-2014#931886

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Logged on 23-11-2014 04:53:31; asciilifeform: quite possibly this is ideal scenario. a hardfork that sane folks on the whole planet would immediately flee to.

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lalala

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kakobrekla it's one thing to live in mud, it's another thing to live in excrement.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfGMj10wOzg& whoa steady on, you can improve disco without ruin

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and it's another to do so without any imagining the possibility of an alternative

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there is always an escape, even if you have to chew own leg off.

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but preferably - with all four legs.

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attached, that is.

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-17/dwarf-crocodiles-learning-to-fight-back-to-cane-toad/5896738

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46600 @ 0.00046108 = 21.4863 BTC [-] {2}

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TptGx8QrqrY

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35201 @ 0.00045707 = 16.0893 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30471 @ 0.00045583 = 13.8896 BTC [-]

01:19

;;later tell mircea_popescu i was reading a circa-1958 issue of american magazine 'popular science', and guess what was in it - http://imgur.com/mZnf775

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01:19

imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1C01jEE )

01:19

The operation succeeded.

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(for those who missed the relevant thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-11-2014#930274 )

01:20

Logged on 21-11-2014 01:38:58; mircea_popescu: well anyway : two trains moving on the same track leave simultaneously 29 miles apart, one doing 5mph the other 7mp. a fly caugh between them flies straight until it reaches a train then turns back and recurses, doing 9mph.

01:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00045903 = 5.2329 BTC [+] {2}

~ 1 hours 7 minutes ~

02:32

!up cascadian_derper

02:32

ty mp

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asciilifeform haha nice!

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re my culpability all i did was ask "why not 053"

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lol.

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ascii picked that rev for patching not i

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generally, is all what's needed.

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anyways, a question for the chan: "what disqualifies 053 and what criteria should be used to pick an 'angry' bitcoin?"

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cascadian_derper returns to babe and malbec

02:36

nothing in particular.

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02:57

https://github.com/http2/http2-spec/wiki/DosVectors << incidentally, what do we think of http/2 ?

02:57

DosVectors · http2/http2-spec Wiki · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/11JuDyq )

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03:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46900 @ 0.00045153 = 21.1768 BTC [-]

03:35

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8647723

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WHY MILLIONAIRE BUY Gonkai Phone?1.) Complete failure of security in 'converge... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1xG15hY )

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vexual's on ycombinator ?

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!up Vexual

03:38

schoolar ships is the hard way now?

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give me a fucking break

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back when i was a kid, if you wanted a virtual office you had to convince someone to do it

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90 bux a months?

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talk about horse pulling the wagon

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here, have a lotto ticket

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older girls might ask me if im a virgin; "lady, it's 5 cents or fuck off"

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"what do i win?"

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i didnt know what a virgin wasm hell i dont know what sex was

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i didnt even have a prize in mind, cheeky bitch

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she stole some crayons and stuff and the otto was a resounding success for year sto come

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now im watching cricket by myself and i wonder what exactly happened

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!up Vexual

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n2cyZt5IDE

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hehe dirty

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meanwhile .za is bowling at us like we're little girls and its working

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbdCvzF4qqw

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32650 @ 0.00045409 = 14.826 BTC [+]

04:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00046106 = 14.2006 BTC [+] {2}

~ 1 hours 2 minutes ~

05:50

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Bison_skull_pile_edit.jpg

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... ( http://bit.ly/1rcG5JH )

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06:37

kakobrekla: moriarty is pm spamming, (I've also banned him from #bitcoin before), please eject :)

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[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4074 @ 0.00120015 = 4.8894 BTC [-] {11}

06:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15888 @ 0.00043803 = 6.9594 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36271 @ 0.00043437 = 15.755 BTC [-]

06:45

and for bonus points he's now joining other channels to harass me :P

06:45

when in doubt: engage stalker mode

06:56

this channel really needs more than 2 ops XD

~ 28 minutes ~

07:24

WHOAS

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hes a funny guy. i made seven figures this year! etc.

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07:47

danielpbarron: WHOAS

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08:30

a dummy didn't include a tx fee, now funds are in limbo

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mats_cd03 bangs head on table

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3Hy9fgIYAA5L5P.jpg

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... ( http://bit.ly/1rd9Da3 )

08:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.00044975 = 13.0428 BTC [+]

08:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00044505 = 10.9482 BTC [-]

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08:56

https://twitter.com/bitcoinnotbombs/status/536406972703457280

08:56

A bitcoin donation of 4.1 mBTC has been made to help keep people warm this winter.Learn more at http://t.co/3FkV0KeWat

08:57

i guess people will be cold this winter

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09:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40711 @ 0.000411 = 16.7322 BTC [-]

09:45

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34150 @ 0.00041222 = 14.0773 BTC [+]

09:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00041222 = 8.533 BTC [+]

09:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90950 @ 0.0004207 = 38.2627 BTC [+] {2}

10:05

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/stevie-wonder-is-not-blind-the-evidence-1641795715

10:05

Stevie Wonder Is Not Blind: The Truthers' Case ... ( http://bit.ly/1qUfjes )

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10:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00042474 = 5.0969 BTC [+] {2}

10:35

[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.00121921 = 2.4384 BTC [+] {5}

10:48

!up Xuthus

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!up adlai

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!up diametric

10:49

adlai

wut, wut did i do

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lol

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you were suspicious!

10:49

adlai

can't a man lurk these days

10:50

!up kdomanski

10:50

!up nubbins`

10:50

!up unbalanced

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nubbins`

dat disconnect on sleep

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nubbins`

211398 and counting

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wb

11:11

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00043784 = 7.9249 BTC [+]

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11:30

mircea_popescu: can we have /mode +b *!*@unaffiliated/moriarty please, all he does is join here to pm spam and then leave :P

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ugh. what's he spam ?

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(11:24:09) moriarty: there's also ##econometrics given your interest in cryptocurrencies

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he has a bot that does ^, I've already banned him in the past from #bitcoin, #bitcoin-otc, #bitcoin-otc-eu, -uk, ...

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oh yeah. not the first time either huh.

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yea, not the first time :)

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thanks :)

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no, thank you for pasting the actual command, it'd have taken me a while to piece it together lol

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yw

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00042593 = 2.9815 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22187 @ 0.00045124 = 10.0117 BTC [+]

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12:52

adlai

!down adlai

13:01

http://www.usprisonculture.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/prisonfood.pdf re: "Spread"

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... ( http://bit.ly/1vCuJ8l )

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8631 @ 0.00043794 = 3.7799 BTC [-]

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Bet placed: 20 BTC for No on "BTC network hashrate will exceed 1 Exahash/s before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/713/ Odds: 8(Y):92(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 78.81502285 BTC. Current weight: 7,419.

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http://bitbet.us/bet/1070/btc-to-reach-5000-or-higher-in-q1/ << winkdex now an accepted price signal on bitbet

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BitBet - BTC to reach $5000 or higher in Q1 2015 :: 0.02 B (13%) on Yes, 0.14 B (87%) on No | closing in 4 months 6 days | weight: 89`455 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgHrLJ )

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interestingly > Bitcoin Winkdex price first digit will be a 1 or a 2 on May 1st 2015 < got rejected cause of windex

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mm interesting

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any chance of getting "rejected" in search status enumerator?

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hm

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"Rejection reason: There's no way for a mod to find a suitable replacement for a random chance."

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wat

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00043051 = 3.3149 BTC [-]

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random choice?

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idk

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aha someone tried to ddos ba wiki past night. tough luck.

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nobody noticed lol

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yup

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http://www.sci-news.com/biology/science-crassphage-previously-unknown-ancient-gut-virus-02098.html

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CrAssphage: Previously Unknown Ancient Gut Virus Lives in Half World's Population | Biology | Sci-News.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgJqzx )

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quite a food ofr thought

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*for

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http://www.dailyinterlake.com/news/local_montana/article_0f136781-b5ed-5e65-8b88-f22c0893d8cb.html?mode=jqm

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Kalispell man jailed following casino robbery with fake gun - News - Mobile Adv ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgJPlB )

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jurov: i can't imagine we've sequenced all virii inhabiting humans or even done a decent job at even the internal or external bacteriospheres

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i just find it funny if eventually comes out of it that obesity is indeed infectious disease

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i suspect certain diets encourage certain bugs that diddle the endocrine system horribly

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but this is systems science in <not my domain>

13:49

why is it a better idea for bitcoin to write the blockchain to disk instead of into an external database?

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https://blog.conformal.com/btcdb-the-bitcoin-database-package-from-btcd/

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btcdb: The bitcoin database package from btcd | Conformal Systems, LLC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgLM1l )

13:56

not tried it, just fyi

13:57

sqlite sounds good

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http://blog.coinbase.com/post/97671295752/introducing-toshi-an-open-source-bitcoin-node-for

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The Coinbase Blog — Introducing Toshi - An Open Source Bitcoin Node For Developers ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgM9sL )

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"since it is file based, it requires no separate database setup for users" << i don't know about this.

13:59

bitcoin is serious business - perhaps a serious business database should be involved.

13:59

^ toshi uses postgres

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anything that fits in head?

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what parts need to fit in head?

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http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1eyfk0/til_sqlite_was_created_to_be_used_on_guided/

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TIL SQLite was created to be used on guided missile destroyers : programming ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgMxaA )

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asking of anything to fit into head is a tall order

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better start with fitness to ass

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can be stretched if necessary

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heh

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the thought that writing to disk requires explicit concurrency semantics (DB_CONFIG requiring lock numbers configured by trial-and-error) in c++ with bdb etc (would this be true of sqlite as well?) makes me think that talking to a professionally written database over a local socket wouldn't be such a bad idea.

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but y'all know more than i on the topic.

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also key value stores make me barf

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(but that's neither here nor there)

14:09

satoshi must have said something on this matter

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is there a way to search for it?

14:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45050 @ 0.00043051 = 19.3945 BTC [-]

14:10

well if sqlite works for conformal, can use as cheatsheet

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jurov: "the nakamoto institute" was working on an archive of the satoshi letters at one point. i don't know if they got anywhere with it.

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http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/posts/

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Satoshi Nakamoto Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgO00M )

14:13

is that really all of them?

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I think there's more on sourceforge mailing lists

14:13

;;google sql site:satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org

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No matches found.

14:15

http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/posts/bitcointalk/419/ << sigh

14:15

Satoshi Nakamoto Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgOkfP )

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http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/emails/cryptography/ << really? this is it?

14:16

Satoshi Nakamoto Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgOlQU )

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no there's more emails

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yeah i figured

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http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/?source=navbar

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Bitcoin / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgOqV0 )

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http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/search/?q=database

14:17

Bitcoin / Mailing Lists / Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgOu70 )

14:18

i think the question that i'm asking is: is an embedded db even a good idea?

14:19

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70000 @ 0.00041742 = 29.2194 BTC [-] {2}

14:19

http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/32828113/

14:19

Bitcoin / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgOLqJ )

14:20

mechanical db best db

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*clack clunk*

14:24

something like huge drum music box?

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for each block?

14:25

rope and beads?

14:26

actually punch cards arent a bad idea after all

14:28

and dont forget to enumerate them.

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14:47

round pebbles

14:53

http://trilema.com/2014/the-power-of-the-press-in-english-this-time/

14:53

The power of the press, in English this time. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/159m6ak )

14:53

monster article, ties together a bunch of old stuff

14:54

and as the expression goes, he who illuminates illuminates himself, so, lots of perhaps unknown material about yours truly as well.

15:01

so it appears that i've merited own, personal ddos.

15:03

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70800 @ 0.00041465 = 29.3572 BTC [-] {3}

15:05

anybody else?

15:05

or did the gods smile on me alone.

15:09

i was thinking it's funny how you keep popping in and out

15:09

ahahaha lol

15:09

http://pastebin.com/TSdayF99 << for the record.

15:09

* asciilifeform has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) * asciilifeform - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1usZhCU )

15:09

your cloak is useless if you use it like that

15:10

lol it borked.

15:10

seems like someone on freenode end yanked it.

15:11

mircea_popescu: you have incoming turdogram.

15:12

nah, this is a well known defect of badly made login scripts

15:12

google it, solutions abound

15:16

qntra too hard to ddos now, moving on to easier targets?

15:16

industrial-grade idiocy

15:16

why ddos some guy.

15:16

so that what, i can't send the launch codes?

15:17

lol

15:17

YOU DONT UNDERSTAND HOW THE WORLD WORKS!

15:18

kid wants to matter. kid doesn't have to change for this, kid wants to matter AS HE IS!

15:18

i can picture the conversation right now:

15:18

'toadie: what shall we do with this bugger, your reptilian majesty?'

15:18

lizard hitler: 'hmm'

15:18

toadie: 'how about a nailgun?'

15:19

lizard hitler: 'nah, not worth a nail. how about ddos his house.'

15:20

on the positive side, the log's back to manageable size.

15:20

l0l!

15:21

ben_vulpes: http://bitbet.us/bet/1070/btc-to-reach-5000-or-higher-in-q1/ << our tolerance knows no bounds

15:21

BitBet - BTC to reach $5000 or higher in Q1 2015 :: 0.02 B (13%) on Yes, 0.14 B (87%) on No | closing in 4 months 6 days | weight: 89`397 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1ut23bt )

15:22

ben_vulpes: "Rejection reason: There's no way for a mod to find a suitable replacement for a random chance." << how do you find a "reasonable substitution" for a bet that goes "x website will publish a number ending in 5"

15:23

jurov: quite a food ofr thought <<< it pains me to say, but it'd seem more food for shit than for thought.

15:23

;;google fecal transplant

15:23

Quick, inexpensive and a 90 percent cure rate - For Medical ...: <http://www.mayoclinic.org/medical-professionals/clinical-updates/digestive-diseases/quick-inexpensive-90-percent-cure-rate>; Fecal bacteriotherapy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fecal_bacteriotherapy>; What is FMT? | The Fecal Transplant Foundation: (1 more message)

15:23

^ actual research field

15:25

ben_vulpes: jurov: "the nakamoto institute" was working on an archive of the satoshi letters at one point. i don't know if they got anywhere with it. <<< not very far afaik. Pierre_Rochard << why not btw ? put krawsiz to some useful work!

15:25

asciilifeform guess what ?

15:25

;;google site:trilema.com fecal transplant

15:25

No matches found.

15:25

pssss

15:26

http://trilema.com/2012/in-care-ma-ocup-de-futurologie-in-ce-priveste-trendurile-cu-rezultate-inspaimintatoare-in-primul-rind-pentru-mine/ there.

15:26

In care ma ocup de futurologie in ce priveste trendurile cu rezultate inspaimintatoare in primul rind pentru mine. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AD7e0B )

15:27

lol coinfire.cf

15:27

*

asciilifeform going off into meatspace for a spell.

15:28

Pierre_Rochard

mircea_popescu: alas bitstein and krawisz are (hopefully temporarily) taken up with other ventures. Personally I think the SNI website is unfinished in its current state, but there’s only so much arm twisting I can do with friends

15:28

i can see it.

15:28

jus' trying to help, from my position as chief asshole this is easy.

15:31

Pierre_Rochard

the words of encouragement are certainly appreciated

15:32

;;rate thomas_d 1 plays on seals as thomas_dick

15:32

Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

15:34

http://www.symantec.com/connect/blogs/regin-top-tier-espionage-tool-enables-stealthy-surveillance via HN

15:34

Regin: Top-tier espionage tool enables stealthy surveillance | Symantec Connect ... ( http://bit.ly/1AD95CL )

15:36

http://www.symantec.com/content/en/us/enterprise/media/security_response/whitepapers/regin-analysis.pdf accompanying paper

15:36

... ( http://bit.ly/1AD9uFp )

15:37

wish they'd share some binaries, or smth

15:41

wyrdmantis

http://www.smartcontract.com/ << WTF?

15:41

SmartContract ... ( http://bit.ly/1ADaGbG )

15:41

wyrdmantis context ?

15:42

mats_cd03 myea. useless halfway reporting.

15:43

"The infection vector varies among targets and no reproducible vector had been found at the time of writing. Symantec believes that some targets may be tricked into visiting spoofed versions of well-known websites and the threat may be installed through a Web browser or by exploiting an application. On one computer, log files showed that Regin originated from Yahoo! Instant Messenger through an unconfirmed exploit."

15:43

so what, someone supposedly used yahoo messenger on linux ? via what,s omething like an emulator ? and then the infector survived this mauling ?

15:43

seems nonsensical.

15:44

wyrdmantis

"Verified Pay for Performance Get paid, automatically; Smart Contracts verify you've performed by verifying proven results eg: SEO rank, automatically releasing the client's payment right away."

15:46

wyrdmantis

just found this thing... no idea if it's real or how it works...any thoughts?

15:48

old story. it doesn't work, no.

15:54

asciilifeform: Does A0 believe that "438967283478" is "539568763873582425356468"? << example of A0 lying?

15:58

!up theotcguy

15:59

yea, i had yahoo messenger. found interesting stuff under .wine then

16:00

jurov but the shit actually works in wine ?

16:00

w/e trojans and so on ?

16:02

"the" otc guy?

16:03

isn't that n-tube?

16:03

it worked very badly, then i found some wine processes running with malware-y names, killed with fire

16:05

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfNIC5k-yxw << romanian news programme, communist era.

16:05

Telejurnal - Epoca de Aur: Ceausescu si tovarasii - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ADh4zz )

16:15

so coindesk linked qntra lol

16:15

but only the google cache as not to give full credit

16:15

http://www.coindesk.com/stakes-high-star-backed-bitcoin-gambling-site-crowdsale-stumbles/ under Messaging issues heading

16:15

Stakes Are High for Star-Backed Bitcoin Gambling Site As Crowdsale Stumbles ... ( http://bit.ly/1ADjPRF )

16:15

seriously?

16:16

to be fair, perhaps site was down from ddos at the time it was written but still, amusing

16:19

BingoBoingo: Successfully changed key for user xanthyos from B62E7295387001E9 to DF074A8E1242692B. You are now authenticated for user xanthyos with key DF074A8E1242692B

16:19

NO LONGER A KEYbase boy, are you proud of me?

16:19

I am indeed

16:19

dpb is here

16:20

hey look a real key

16:20

i needed my hand held

16:20

heh

16:20

don't you feel all growed up nao?

16:20

yes

16:20

http://oglaf.com/conviction/

in other news the girl found an entire gallon of organic maple syrup

~ 23 minutes ~

16:43

oglafbot

16:43

Conviction ... ( http://bit.ly/1xotW6q )

16:47

splendid

16:49

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00041 = 10.086 BTC [-]

16:49

http://serverfault.com/questions/646509/sshd-with-port-forwarding-left-connections-to-localhost-without-counterparty-pro#646509

16:49

linux - sshd with port forwarding left connections to localhost without counterparty process - Server Fault ... ( http://bit.ly/159RTbd )

16:49

^ "splendid" too

16:50

my every productive day ends with such wtf stuff or a bugreport

16:57

it wears off, i can't even be properly paranoid anymore

16:57

nubbins`

splendid

16:59

o.O

16:59

which sshd is this ?

17:00

da shit is this i've never seen such a thing.

17:01

joecool

opensshd version? and were you able to reproduce this anywhere else?

17:01

jurov ^

17:01

OpenSSH_6.2p2, OpenSSL 1.0.1j-fips 15 Oct 2014

17:01

not tried to reproduce, first time i see this

17:03

[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2980 @ 0.00121941 = 3.6338 BTC [+] {2}

~ 20 minutes ~

17:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00041 = 11.48 BTC [-]

~ 15 minutes ~

17:39

!up Flyer33

17:39

!up Flyer9933

17:44

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41500 @ 0.00041831 = 17.3599 BTC [+]

17:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00041831 = 7.2995 BTC [+]

17:56

lol fail

17:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00041894 = 4.2522 BTC [+]

18:08

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIHa5Fc5Oas&feature=youtu.be

18:08

chomp - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zgmQmR )

18:08

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIHa5Fc5Oas << also works

18:08

chomp - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zgmXih )

~ 21 minutes ~

18:29

http://qntra.net/2014/11/gaw-miners-continue-scam-while-coinfire-is-defaced/

18:29

GAW Miners Continue Scam While CoinFire Is Defaced | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1HCJETF )

~ 29 minutes ~

18:59

lol @ cf

19:09

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.10038222 = 2.2084 BTC [+] {2}

~ 46 minutes ~

19:55

!up zen_

19:55

!up dpb-dotcom

19:57

hi dpb-dotcom

20:11

;;rate thomas_d 1 plays on seals as thomas_dick

20:11

Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user thomas_d has been recorded.

20:23

!up bagels7

20:25

!up bagels7

20:40

http://qntra.net/2014/11/breakout-gaming-ico-concludes/

20:40

Breakout Gaming ICO Concludes | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1pdlqcw )

20:42

!up GamerZag

20:42

Hello GamerZag

20:50

lol what happened to coinfire

20:50

!up zen_

20:50

they got phwned?

20:51

Looks like it. They did a piece on GAW miners and then a few hours later... haxxed

20:53

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/B3K6LmLIAAAzo5C.mp4

20:53

... ( http://bit.ly/11pCVM2 )

21:00

lulzy.

21:04

!s naggum field demand

21:04

0 results for 'naggum field demand' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=naggum+field+demand

21:04

meh where was it

21:04

lol a fkn rabbit is front page of /r/bitcoin

21:05

yours ?

21:16

mircea_popescu, of course

21:16

wd lol

~ 23 minutes ~

21:40

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54500 @ 0.00041922 = 22.8475 BTC [+] {3}

21:46

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60053 @ 0.00041892 = 25.1574 BTC [-] {2}

21:53

asciilifeform btw, because i remembered doing the research for my latest : speaking of the "how about you stop sending niggers" thing - the romanian secret service arrested a few dozen men mid december 1989 who were travelling to timisoara by themselves. no women, no children, "vacation". they had all heard that this was the oldest town in europe with electric illumination.

21:53

lulz of all time.

21:58

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/22/health/thanksmichelleobama-school-lunches/index.html?cid=C13888a07

21:58

#ThanksMichelleObama: Students criticize school lunches - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1tplb9T )

21:59

it's like reading the fucking scinteia over here. "elena ceausescu has visited the highschool #85, gave dispositions"

~ 25 minutes ~

22:25

so romanian presidential elections were 30%-40% first round, then 54% - 45% 2nd round. then they made a poll to see who people voted with, and 66% claim to have voted wioth the winner. that's 12% more than actually did. what fraction of that is people lying, and what fraction is votes stolen ?

22:28

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/time-apologizes-including-feminist-poll-words-ban

22:28

TIME apologizes for including 'feminist' in poll of words to ban | The Rundown | PBS NewsHour ... ( http://bit.ly/1tpm56k )

22:28

"TIME apologizes for the execution of this poll; the word ‘feminist’ should not have been included in a list of words to ban. While we meant to invite debate about some ways the word was used this year, that nuance was lost, and we regret that its inclusion has become a distraction from the important debate over equality and justice."

22:28

kek.

22:29

wait. so they banned words from the poll to ban words ?

22:29

don't play the game if you can't take the heat, playa

22:29

and they have a poll about "what" pre-decided words to ban ?

22:29

how very feminist, progressive and pseudo-justice anti-social of them

22:30

"we want to have a democratic process for as long as the results come out the way we like. we also want science that confirms our preconceived notions".

22:30

they could be Time Africa / Soviet Union / Best Korea just as well.

22:31

they can't afford to offend women, they're the demographic with most disposable income no?

22:32

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/cererea-de-suspendare-a-pre%C8%99edintelui-traian-basescu-sau-cu-caragiale-tot-inainte/ << i nominate for translation queue based on link title alone

22:32

Cererea de suspendare a președintelui Traian Băsescu, sau cu Caragiale tot inainte! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1C3dpwQ )

22:33

noted.

22:33

mats_cd03 how is this a fucking criteria lol.

22:33

although the acronym puns are probably going to be hard

22:33

i made acronym puns ?!@

22:34

o look at that, i made acronym puns.

22:34

Proleguminie ahahaha god help us.

22:34

im sorry foxy, that shit's untranslatable.

22:34

;;google prolegomenos

22:34

Prolegómenos. Derechos y Valores - Redalyc: <http://www.redalyc.org/revista.oa?id=876>; Prolegómenos de la renta básica | Montserrat Galcerán on Vimeo: <http://vimeo.com/11693346>; Resumen y prolegomenos del encuentro UD Roteña - Sevilla FC ...: <http://vimeo.com/45779641>

22:35

;;google legume

22:35

Legume - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legume>; legume: <http://www.legumebistro.com/>; Legume - Merriam-Webster Online: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/legume>

22:35

at this rate i'm going to have to learn romanian

22:35

learn latin, it'll open a whole new englishj to you

22:35

myeah.

22:35

and romanian is practically mutually comprehensible.

22:38

"La ultimul termen din 1 aprilie, Mazăre s-a prezentat la procesul de la Cureta de Apel Bucureşti" << they were trying for the "court of appeals". itcame out, "the appalling curette".

~ 24 minutes ~

23:02

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61803 @ 0.00041272 = 25.5073 BTC [-] {2}

23:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49695 @ 0.00041 = 20.375 BTC [-]

23:12

xanthyos, how's ya cock mate

23:13

mircea_popescu: "25% salary cuts every 2-3 months" << this is a thing?

23:13

yep.

23:13

actually, for years on end "journos" got no pay at all.

23:13

"maybe next month, something"

23:14

how'd they eat?

23:14

and before you're shocked : at least half gawker employees are in exactly the same situation . if the thing didn't happen to be an organ of the socialist press, they'd be in prison like that indian diplomat for "slave labour"

23:14

how do whores generally eat ? around the cock in their mouth.

23:14

couch surfing is a thing. bumming food and shelter off people you met at a party last week idem.

23:15

in the immortal words of maggie the cat, "you can be young and without money, you just can't be old and without it"

23:16

cazalla: swollen, but no longer mangled

23:17

i took the gauze off yesterday, it's circumstitched

23:17

like the molding of a real doll

23:18

mircea_popescu: i'm familiar with the females of my age group couch surfing, living on gov't grants, waitressing, staying up late chain smoking over the odd "piece".

23:19

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0CzvCpEkKg << old music hour.

23:19

Wheatus -Teenage Dirtbag (Lyrics & A cute font) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1tpnGcn )

23:19

ben_vulpes so then.

23:19

and "entrepreneurs" aren't in that much better a shape, since we're on it.

23:19

but they never got paid to begin with. pay cuts tho?

23:19

yeah well... it gets better. they mostly owe to banks, have wives and children

23:20

(the girls of my generation, i mean.)

23:20

they took out credits in swiss francs because they were 1% cheaper before the swiss franc doubled in value over a summer, so they could pay 80k for a shitty prefab apartment in a shitty bucharest neighbourhood,

23:20

ie, 3x what a house apparently costs in ohio (and that 1% was off ~14% a year, mind)

23:20

on it goes, lulzfest is of such epic proportions it can scarcely be conveyed.

23:22

and speaking of which... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuTMWgOduFM

23:22

Pulp - Common People - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vgH6FG )

23:22

parents carry part of the blame.

23:23

i struggle with the flipside of the debt thing - what to do with the retained earnings? go long the stock market? really? i'm bullish on btc on like a 30 year timeframe so that has to have next to no bearing on the 1-2 year timeframe for handling retained earnings right now. give up the 8% or w/e the market's doing under QE or hold it all in cash because "it can't go on like this forever!11!"

23:23

i prefer the william shatner cover

23:23

to common people

23:24

just buy stuff.

23:24

you're not making enough to actually have the problem of not being able to buy stuff.

23:25

buy an apartment in every city you ever heard of and rent it out. worst comes to worst you have where to live. stuff like that.

23:25

can't quite swing apartments this year.

23:26

as i said this afternoon "too much money to put to use in our own business, not enough to get into any others".

23:27

so stock up on stuff then. look at your grocery list, see everything on there you actually like and keeps well, buy a year's supply

23:27

or w/e you figure you'll be there for.

23:27

the 8% is illusory. having the stuff on hand for when the price hikes is not.

23:28

as a general principle : the only use of money in an inflationary spiral is to buy stuff.

23:29

monitors and desks are certainly on the list.

23:29

the more tangible the better. tuna is stuff. stocks... hardly.

23:29

nah, not monitors. tech items make poor stuff.

23:30

stockpile booze

23:30

that's always valuable in a depression

23:30

;;later tell asciilifeform subject of monitors: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005JN9310/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s03?ie=UTF8 << excellent vertical orientation displays

23:30

Amazon.com: Dell UltraSharp U2412M 24-Inch Screen LED-lit Monitor: Computers & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/1vgJV9R )

23:30

The operation succeeded.

23:30

anecdotally, i totally raped the power company in romania. one year they were desperate for cash, so you could make a deal where you prepaid consumption at fixed rate. so i did, i prepaid for like a year.

23:30

then prices went the fuck up and threatened to go further up, so they actually paid me to settle it.

23:30

a month after which the prices went down.

23:31

lol wd

23:31

we are planning to buy the year's rent in a lump sum

23:31

i was the passive element really, they just were really intent on selfrape somehow

23:31

ben_vulpes i pay quarterly anyway, but as long as its set in the contract whatr diff does it make ?

23:31

unlkess you get a discount i guess.

23:31

it's a more expensive space, but nobody's teeth will be chattering in the new space.

23:31

book it as an expense in 2014 for taxes.

23:32

ah like that. sure.

23:32

also reincorporating as an s-corp in 2015 for ibid

23:32

so what, two cases of champagne?

23:33