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00:07 billymg excellent, that will be my next task then
00:09 billymg time for sleep now
00:09 * billymg goes to bed
00:10 mircea_popescu nn
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05:21 auctionbot Buy order # 1032 has ENDED: No sale. Attn: BingoBoingo
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10:17 mircea_popescu trinque ^
10:22 asciilifeform meanwhile, in world of spamatronics : https://archive.vn/PR2zr (tldr : htmlism idjicy where 'custom embedded font', apparently explains certain 'line noise'-style spams occasionally seen)
10:25 mircea_popescu all this retarded posturing. "threat actors", and pixelized screenshots and what the fuck. well earned negrate.
10:25 mircea_popescu big fucking whoop, someone made himself a non-alphabetic ordered font.
10:25 asciilifeform explains certain rubbish in my lint trap tho.
10:27 mircea_popescu it's about as novel as windows nt.
10:27 mircea_popescu but ok.
10:28 * asciilifeform not expert spamatronicist, so possibly easily astonished
10:29 mircea_popescu in other news, i fucking loathe that interactivecorp footer. never EVER seen it on a site that didn't suck balls in the exact wikipedia style of cheap cardboard alt-reality.
10:31 asciilifeform meanwhile, in 'mit phuctor'-style lulzattempts at thefts from republic, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vL8Rj/?raw=true << d00d implements keccak for z80, and naturally claims great 'invention', where , e.g., 'new meaning to retrocomputing-based perfect forward secrecy. In the contemporary concern about tampering and traps in our computing devices...'
10:35 asciilifeform ( per the magick formula of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-04#700916 )
10:35 a111 Logged on 2014-06-04 00:08 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
10:35 mircea_popescu meanwhile talking of spam : http://archive.vn/oMEya ("Julia Sowells/534 Posts Julia Sowells has been a technology and security professional. For a decade of experience in technology, [...]" -- looks like your run of the mill 20something instawhore, but whatever, i'm sure she has a decade of "experience" in tabletclucking ; "HackerCombat LLC is a news site, which acts as a source of information for IT security professionals ac
10:35 mircea_popescu ross the world. We have lived it for more than 1 year since 2017, sharing IT expert guidance and insight, [...] ")
10:36 mircea_popescu need i continue ? sure, why not : http://archive.vn/0VU5Q "Rewterz information security Company Our Story"
10:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i suspect perl script takes pressrelease and attached $randomchix face and shannonized 'bio' , in these fishwraps
10:37 BingoBoingo /me pretty sure the whole "webfonts only have malicious purposes" deal has been happening since webfonts were a thing
10:37 mircea_popescu nooo ?
10:39 mircea_popescu "www" stands for "what happens if all the dogs get the idea nobody can tell they're dogs ?!?!?!"
10:42 mircea_popescu pretty lulzy alt-fetlife, really.
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10:43 mircea_popescu "Security Boulevard By Julia Sowells securityboulevard.com — A website getting hacked isn’t really news today; it has become an almost common thing. So, what should you do if your website is hacked? How can you work on recovering things and bouncing back? Well, it’s not that difficult. Here’s a look at some easy steps that could help in the recovery process:Step 1 – Inform hosting company, do some research of your o
10:43 mircea_popescu wnThe first thing that you need to do is inform your hosting company or the person who is hosting your website. "
10:43 mircea_popescu "10 Steps to Recover from a Hacked Website By Julia Sowells techspective.net — A website getting hacked isn’t really news today; it has become an almost common thing. So, what should you do if your website is hacked? How can you work on recovering things and bouncing back? Well, it’s not that difficult. Here’s a look at some easy steps that could help in the recovery process:Step 1 – Inform hosting company, do some
10:43 mircea_popescu research of your ownThe first thing that you need to do is inform your hosting company or the person who is hosting your website."
10:43 asciilifeform '99 easy recipes spammers dunwant you to know'!11
10:44 mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/juliasowells << even twitter acct, with a typically "powerpoint"-informed montage in the background. " Julia Sowells @juliasowells Senior #Information #Security Specialist #Cybersecurity Author @Hacker_Combat | Got Tips? Contact me: juliasowells@hackercombat.com"
10:44 mircea_popescu #WomenInTech i'm sure.
10:48 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885323 << ~100% of heathenwww is precisely 'alt-fetlife' by mass
10:48 a111 Logged on 2019-01-07 15:42 mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy alt-fetlife, really.
10:48 asciilifeform elizas talkin' to parrys.
10:48 mircea_popescu "DanaBot Banking Trojan’s Journey to North America DanaBot, a nasty banking trojan is wreaking havoc now in the North American continent. First appeared in May 2018 targeting Australian corporations hackercombat.com " << check it out, age of sail.
10:48 asciilifeform actual human reader is quite out of his element there. it's sorta like listening to modem whine.
10:49 mircea_popescu no, because i could eventually whistle meaningfully @ the modem.
10:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu is perhaps better whistler than i , i can only 300baud on good day..
10:49 mircea_popescu i think anyone who spent any significant time with the damned "bauds" could whistle a reset so as not to stand up
10:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well not data, what am i.
10:50 asciilifeform lol
10:50 mircea_popescu "If you are one of those enthusiastic and adventurous entrepreneurs who are on the verge of launching your own startup, here’s an important question for you: Have you secured your startup enough so that it can resist the security threats of today? Because if you haven’t, considering the security threats which are raining down on the digital world of today, you may in for a lot of trouble.
10:50 mircea_popescu Therefore in this blog, let’s take a look at some of the cyber security measures every entrepreneur should take, to ensure their startup stays safe from all forms of hacking."
10:51 * asciilifeform actually dug into subj of implementing compact 'soft' acoustic-modems on e.g. ice40, yr or so ago, for fyootoor applications
10:51 mircea_popescu letting the girls into the office was ~such~ a fucking dumb idea... what, precisely, is gained by having a bunch of verbose maids running about attempting to "redefine" the "space" more towards their terms and interests ?
10:52 asciilifeform if mircea_popescu says it's actual meat gurlz doin' this, rather than plain old perl, i'ma believe
10:52 asciilifeform but the 2 hypotheses aint distinguishable from my perch
10:52 mircea_popescu as it stands now, i believe this julia chick is basically douchebag.
10:53 mircea_popescu ie, physically extant novel cuntspawn "just tryna make it in dis biz"
10:53 asciilifeform rright but douchebag passed, at least initially, turing test, and these 'people' generally do not
10:53 mircea_popescu heck, odds are they met "at a conference" where they "being professional" to each other etc (ie, didn't fuck, notwithstanding how dimly regarded teens who don't do it are)
10:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's because your test is biased against women.
10:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: possibly; but i'ma not that despite many unfortunate yrs spent in the company of the degenerates populating that 'biz', never once witnessed a perpetrator describable as female
10:55 asciilifeform *i'ma add that
10:56 asciilifeform there were chix, to be sure, but doing the old-nicolecci thing, shuffling paper ~silently
10:58 asciilifeform i also have nfi what the 'space' might have looked like prior to 'getting redefined' -- near as i can tell, whole 'industry', from rise of microshit and up, consisted of exactly this
10:59 asciilifeform and i even witnessed the early-90s 'space', e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568#selection-57.0-57.368 , as a kid, and even then laughed.
10:59 mircea_popescu i dunno, i've only seen the other side of the wall 80s, and it consisted of research labs, basically. just like any others, hence the prestige.
11:00 asciilifeform research folx had research-grade irons , and ~separate ecosystem. ( pdp, then suns, hp, sgi, alpha, even bolix somewhere close to money printers, etc. but that 'atlantis' sank without a trace )
11:01 asciilifeform it's gone, what's left is descendants of 'computer shopper magazine' and other 80s chump-baits
11:04 mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/juliasowells/status/907929912945795072 << item starts in 13 Sep 2017 ; spends a while derping about "niche relevant" re-crapped crap ("First Female White House CIO on #Cybersecurity #Talent" bla bla), buncha zdnet, techradar whatever. then it's "Julia Sowells Retweeted Kevin Jones‏ @kevinjones_hc 10 Oct 2017 British @security experts are stopping two MAJOR #hackattacks every day" ("Hello this is Kevin Jo
11:04 mircea_popescu nes, #Malware #cybersecurity Specialist and Author at @Hacker_Combat * Real-Life News Reader" << https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/958699043579871232/ntdF9E5X.jpg perfectly punchable amir taaki face) and so well... it's either his irl gf or his online fursona, whichever.
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11:04 asciilifeform current-day lusercomp has approx as much to do with '80s research lab, as http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877160 has with mircea_popescu's bmw
11:04 a111 Logged on 2018-12-01 02:17 asciilifeform: amberglint: it's a http://funnypicture.zoda.ru/bd/2011/10/14/8e55f8a1cd38eb6ed761e4897058d1b7.jpg
11:04 mircea_popescu just because you didn't see douchebag's julia... o wait. i think you might've...
11:04 * asciilifeform brb,teatime
11:05 mircea_popescu awww, you're opting out of the wonderful world of IT expert guidance and insight ?!
11:05 mircea_popescu i really thought we had something going here...
11:13 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> rright but douchebag passed, at least initially, turing test, and these 'people' generally do not << Lacking tits douchbag has to try to brand and personality. Having tits in the Femoocracy, girl just has to scrape and paste.
11:19 mircea_popescu there, intel kicks in : julia sowells, lives with mom @3036 Powell Rd, Blossvale, NY 13308, a single family home worth about 100k market / 60k on tax basis. 2 bedrooms, 1 bath, 1ksqft.
11:22 mircea_popescu anyway, this lulztron just won't quit. "Kriti Sarda, Recently moved to the United States Answered Jan 6, 2016 I work at Appknox and we are thought leaders in the mobile app security domain. I can unanimously agree with everyone here that cyber attacks WILL rise in 2016. Apart from that here are our predictions for the upcoming year - " (meanwhile this quora expert moved back to dfjkhgfkjhgkdjhkfj injia"
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11:44 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/01/britain-to-ban-transactions-involving-puppies-and-kittens-through-most-channels/ << Qntra -- Britain To Ban Transactions Involving Puppies And Kittens Through Most Channels
11:44 BingoBoingo ^ From the place that brought the world "monkey baiting"
11:45 mircea_popescu this bizarro notion opf "banning". rly ?
11:46 BingoBoingo Well if they can "council house" Syrian refugees from Ghana...
11:46 diana_coman that "unanimously agree" is cherry on top
11:52 BingoBoingo <diana_coman> that "unanimously agree" is cherry on top << Consult the traditional culture of Indo-Argentina http://trilema.com/2015/why-should-the-argentine-population-go-graze-already/#selection-31.0-45.71
11:57 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: lol; what didja ~think~ brit parliament did on typical weekday, when not busy fellating overseas hitler . naturally 'making rules' re the procedure for selling dogs , etc, 'regulating' what time of day 'subjects of her majesty' may take a shit, and similar
11:58 asciilifeform 'if the great inca wants you to have dog, he will issue you one' or how did it go.
11:59 BingoBoingo Still the decay Pantsuitism has wrought in 20 centuries must be documented
12:00 BingoBoingo Before too long dogs will prolly be "banned" in the UK because offensive to muslims
12:01 mircea_popescu diana_coman he can unanimously agree all by his lonesome! because prajeet, they be legion.
12:01 asciilifeform before long, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885108 will be the only permitted domestic animal in reich.
12:01 a111 Logged on 2019-01-06 15:59 asciilifeform: https://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~akerr/socrates/personal/rats.html << subj.
12:02 diana_coman mircea_popescu, quite; I read it as "tripping over oneself in desperation to signalsignalsignal agreement^n"
12:03 mircea_popescu well, and "success" and employment and emigration and a whole hosta things.
12:03 mircea_popescu still not getting any, but heck, WELL ON THE WAY TO
12:03 asciilifeform 'luxor centre for bizniss'(tm)(r)
12:08 mircea_popescu but yes, the perpetual and universal hostis generis is precisely this "wanna everything be good and why can't everyone just be friends" schmuck.
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12:28 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885361 << there's by nao a lengthy gallery of these 'asking for brick'(tm) faces in the l0gz. i admit to curiosity re how come these folx so reliably have'em.
12:28 a111 Logged on 2019-01-07 16:04 mircea_popescu: nes, #Malware #cybersecurity Specialist and Author at @Hacker_Combat * Real-Life News Reader" << https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/958699043579871232/ntdF9E5X.jpg perfectly punchable amir taaki face) and so well... it's either his irl gf or his online fursona, whichever.
12:28 mircea_popescu combination of diet and schooling.
12:35 BingoBoingo Diet, schooling, and post Walt Disney.
12:35 mircea_popescu i suspect we also select for them
12:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: dunno re 'select'. recall the shithub experiment ? good % of the pages had 'brickface' on'em iirc
12:42 mircea_popescu truly.
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13:02 BingoBoingo !Xview 1035
13:02 auctionbot Buy order # 1035: 1500 Filthy Fiats, Wired, WU, or Moneygram Opening: 400mn ecu Leading Bid: None Ending: 2019-01-09 06:04:18.169529 UTC (47 hours 59 mins)
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13:24 asciilifeform meanwhile, also in zoology, but somewhat diff faces, witness http://www.fishcamp.com/photo_gallery.html
13:24 asciilifeform ( wonder, are they even alive nao? date '2009'... )
13:28 BingoBoingo Everything about that building's exterior except the entrance could be here in orcistan.
13:28 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: it's standard 'it dun snow here' wooden shack, as i see it
13:30 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well, there's the narrow windows and indications the exterior walls extend above the roof creating a slow fence for the azeotea.
13:40 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/01/ruth-bader-ginsburg-absent-from-oral-arguments/ << Qntra -- Ruth Bader Ginsburg Absent From Oral Arguments
13:46 mircea_popescu hex angels ahahaha
13:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: afaik, to the extent anyffin resembling engineering still happens in current usa -- it happens in places like that. four greybeards in a barn.
13:53 asciilifeform (i.e. no 'hr', no 'powerpoint', no 'quarterly reports', etc, just four d00dz, four 'harleys', and a coupla oscilloscopes.. )
13:54 asciilifeform i admit it's how i picture the joint where ben_vulpes and trinque live
13:54 mircea_popescu and this afaik is based on your experience here and what else lol.
13:55 asciilifeform experience in a coupla, where else
13:55 asciilifeform not by any means authoritative.
13:55 mircea_popescu because the item you describe is ~not even legal~
13:55 mircea_popescu in the sense of meth kitchen not legal.
13:55 asciilifeform it's forbidden in the sense gardening ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743774 ) is.
13:55 a111 Logged on 2017-11-28 16:12 asciilifeform: an incidentally interesting bit is that gardens are an 'unprincipled exception' in usgdom just as they were in su. theoretically a garden aficionado owes every 4th tomato or whatever his 'bracket' is, to usg, as tax; things that grow from the ground count, famously, as 'income' -- even if not sold -- per 'wickard v. filburn'
13:56 mircea_popescu not at all.
13:56 mircea_popescu it is literally forbidden in the sense cooking meth is.
13:56 asciilifeform well forbidden is forbidden, neh. yet there they are, subcontracting for 'lockheed' etc, for decades ( and on occasion when inca deems it's time, 'have problems', joe stack-style, but not otherwise )
13:57 mircea_popescu there where ?
13:57 mircea_popescu office park, WITH hr & all.
13:57 asciilifeform in just about erry industrial district in erry ameri-town
13:57 asciilifeform garrett with 2-3 d00ds, no 'hr'.
13:58 asciilifeform they're 'unprincipled exception', in same was as in old su 'cooperatives'
13:58 mircea_popescu and entirely imaginary, much like anti-soviet resistence.
13:58 asciilifeform even 'discrimination law' applies limitedly, to'em. i suggest to rftm, it's a thing.
13:58 mircea_popescu stuff "we could be doing" so "it's just as good as if we did it" etc.
13:58 mircea_popescu just name one.
13:58 asciilifeform linked earlier , neh
13:58 mircea_popescu item expired two decades ago ?!
13:59 mircea_popescu this is not at all what we're discussing.
13:59 mircea_popescu when i discuss some random cuntlet and you propose she's inexistent, i get you concretes. when you discuss some imaginary item, you don't extend the same courtesy.
13:59 asciilifeform or, say, the ones where asciilifeform toiled ( also defunkt today. but not killed 'because no hr' by usg, went old-fashioned broke )
14:00 mircea_popescu i guarantee you you signed "code of conduct" and promised not to "sexually harass" coworkers and filed in your tax forms and whatnot. ALL of the whatnot.
14:00 asciilifeform nope.
14:00 asciilifeform these appear when you have ~80+ (i fughet exact #, varies by state) warm bodies.
14:00 mircea_popescu pretense to the contrary howsoever instantiated notwithstanding.
14:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform or income.
14:01 mircea_popescu so yes, i guess "went bankrupt, totally existed, i promise -- never made money never had employees" etc works in the sense of exception.
14:02 mircea_popescu there's a reason neither methlabs nor sane workplaces ~advertise~. "come work here, we don't do the whole usg bs".
14:03 mircea_popescu to cursory examination it'd be the cheapest/sweetest fruit for them, ~nothing else a prospective employer could say scores nearly as highly with prospective employees ~worth employing~.
14:04 mircea_popescu yet mocky is buried under the polar opposite of that -- "security clearance" bs.
14:04 asciilifeform note that the 'hot dog stands' aint any kinda 'workers paradise' , even tho 'no hr'
14:04 asciilifeform just diff sort of hell, is all.
14:04 mircea_popescu there's hr for hot dog stands.
14:04 asciilifeform aha
14:04 mircea_popescu they buy it with the franchise.
14:05 asciilifeform "security clearance" bs << asciilifeform resigned from a shithole specifically when pressed to 'take holy orders', 1 time
14:05 mircea_popescu again -- just because you personally never saw the face of the usg allocated mamie in charge of usg.aspect in question doesn't mean jack. she's still there, and she's still getting the same per capita.
14:05 mircea_popescu the quataris also don't routinely introduce the indian slaves to the qatari admin office.
14:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in the small shitholes, 'mamie' comes mainly in the form of ruinous taxations ( erry d00d is taxes as 'businessman' , ~2x the usual rate )
14:07 mircea_popescu in the end what i'm saying is this : what you perceive as two types (with, and without mammie) are the same type, with mammie. the without-mammie type is illegal. the perceived without-mammie type is merely a particularly cheap outft, where your position is so low you're not showed it.
14:07 mircea_popescu but just as there in either case.
14:07 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: for my enlightenment, pray tell, who is the 'hr mamie' when 1 d00d runs 'owner-operator' co ?
14:08 asciilifeform afaik there isn't yet a thing where he gotta hire politruk to 'sexual harass' ~himself~
14:08 mircea_popescu and if you do not believe, the test is spelled out in ye olde http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/ : start some shit about hot-topic-du-jour, see how "your boss" suddenly isn't what he seemed.
14:09 mircea_popescu consider the very similar case of cattle farm : cattle may think billy bob farmer is an ok guy, and doesn't even go to town that often.
14:09 mircea_popescu nevertheless, should quarantine be established, the differences imagined by the cattle between billy bob and that slick asshole at the industrial farm down the streed vanish
14:09 asciilifeform even cattle farm comes in 'feedlot' and 'grass range' flavours, neh
14:09 asciilifeform both go to make prime rib, certainly
14:10 mircea_popescu in some places. but in the fifty contiguous shitholes, it comes in "admittedly feedlot" and "deniedly feedlot" flaours.
14:10 mircea_popescu in short : you ~did~ sign the damned thing whether they bothered to print one to give you to sign or not.
14:10 asciilifeform in the sense that all of reich is subject to whatever 'labour law' etc. ? sure
14:11 asciilifeform but in the sense of 'mamie on premises', from the inmate end imho it makes perceptible diff.
14:11 mircea_popescu in the sense that if you, joe mc speshul, employed at excellence inc to do very-important-whatever walk onto campus during their "women can think" festival and urinate on the speaker in contempt,
14:12 mircea_popescu the end result will not be, your excellence inc enacting ramparts and shooting any and all complainers.
14:12 asciilifeform noshit
14:12 mircea_popescu the end result will be, your being fired. exactly like any other rando nobody working accounting at walmart.
14:12 mircea_popescu the last time anyone tried this test was specifically http://trilema.com/2017/when-did-america-end/#selection-103.0-103.11
14:13 mircea_popescu ie, returning conquering heroes. they didn't get away with putting the precious cuntlets in their tailhookers place ; and that was THE LAST TIME.
14:13 asciilifeform who fires the 1-man shop festival pisser ?
14:13 mircea_popescu there is no engineer so valuable in his geekery he exceeds the valuableness of the last set of jocks to win one for the ole' red, white & blue.
14:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the bank, to start with.
14:14 asciilifeform which bank ?
14:14 mircea_popescu whichever bank his last pretense to shopdom rests on, in the shape of bank accounts.
14:14 mircea_popescu or is this more of a "shop in the mind" sorta thing ?
14:15 asciilifeform is it unreasonable to hypothesize a shop that does actual biz ? of whatever kind, 'buy cheap, sell dear', parts for turbines, or whatever
14:15 asciilifeform rather than 'eats bank loans and pretense'
14:15 mircea_popescu it is unreasonable to hypothesize ~the unreasonable~.
14:16 mircea_popescu as a factual matter, there is not the object contemplated in the reich : a thinker so valuable in his thinking, usgistic socialism gives him a berth.
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14:16 mircea_popescu yes, this is how my life went in the ~other~ socialism ; and in the "transition" thereafter. but it is NOT the case anyone lives like this in the us.
14:16 asciilifeform fughet 'thinkers'. not far from my street there's a d00d who sells cement drills. has for 20+y. his shop is the size of a public toilet, and staffed by his lonesome old carcass. who fires him ?
14:17 mircea_popescu i understand why the notion is interesting, as i understand why the fantasy is appealing. but a fantasy it is.
14:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform IF he ever becomes politically relevant, his bank, his landlord, etc.
14:17 mircea_popescu look in the history of early ustarded yahoos "starting businesses".
14:17 asciilifeform aite, aka 'having problems'. i thought we were discussing 'fired' in literal sense tho.
14:18 mircea_popescu who fired http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/ ?
14:18 mircea_popescu who fired dooglus ?
14:18 mircea_popescu "one man shops" one and all.
14:18 asciilifeform was their own inner devils iirc
14:18 mircea_popescu right. so they fired themselves ? cool then!
14:18 mircea_popescu if i had just said "they'll fire themselves" it'd have seemed like rhetoric.
14:18 asciilifeform hey some folx not simply 'fire self' but eat nagant, also
14:19 mircea_popescu point being -- the boyish fantasy of "i'll get SO SMART they'll have to let me be" does not in practice work.
14:20 mircea_popescu the empire is more than willing to do without bread ; it is not willing to do without stupid.
14:20 asciilifeform it didn't work in 1500s either, luther did not by own lonesome get away with nailing shit to the church door
14:20 asciilifeform ('pissed on festival' is exactly imho analogous)
14:21 mircea_popescu yes, but back then the bois aspiring to "an independent life" had enough sense to join highway brigands
14:25 mircea_popescu rather than fantasizing about an island in the sea where they bla bla bla.
14:25 asciilifeform item contemplated upstack was no sort of 'berth of freedom from inca'. d00d designing turbine parts in broom-closet-sized office, seeing no living faces other than in lift, is a thing, seen with own eyes. for the privilege he pays 2-3x tax ( and can , yes, be 'defrocked' at the whim of whatever gosplan commissions the workpieces, if rocks boat. ) however it is quite diff from life as inmate inside cube hell, subjectively. granted fro
14:25 asciilifeform m mircea_popescu's olympus they are indistinguishable, the way untrained human cannot distinguish 2 types of wasp necessarily, will think 'wasp'
14:26 mircea_popescu so what is the difference ? that sees no human face ?
14:27 asciilifeform as described upstack -- no direct 'mamie', no 'powerpoint', etc.
14:27 mircea_popescu are you proposing the general population and the solitary confinement are not in the same prison ?
14:27 asciilifeform in point of fact usg tends to house'em in separate prisons.
14:27 mircea_popescu seems to me either you're arguing "berth of freedom from inca" or you're not arguing it. which specifically is it ?
14:27 asciilifeform solitary prison's exactly the model.
14:27 mircea_popescu cuz if it's the NOT, then what the hell's the difference ?
14:28 asciilifeform some folx in usaschwitz do their time in solitary, some in 3-man cell, some in 'general'.
14:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i got a secret for you : the shy withdrawing kind almost never get the hole.
14:28 mircea_popescu prisons are run with a view to economy -- to get something, you must first not need it.
14:29 asciilifeform this is generally so, but usg is again perverse, 'terrorists' tend to get, when not hanged, 'max' (aka oubliette)
14:29 asciilifeform e.g. kazynski
14:29 mircea_popescu i suppose in this the model breaks down, with the advent of pseudo"technology", the shy withdrawing type can "HackerCombat LLC is a news site, which acts as a source of information for IT security professionals across the world. We have lived it for more than 1 year since 2017, sharing IT expert guidance and insight, [...] " bla bla bla all day long.
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14:30 asciilifeform what precisely is 'shy withdrawing' about spam-'conference'-circuit butterflies ?
14:31 mircea_popescu in that they're (as you well poined out) readily equivalent to "ai", they don't ~have to~ see a face.
14:31 mircea_popescu ever.
14:31 asciilifeform i'm not even convinced there's any meat involved in churning out 'information for it professionals' spamola
14:31 mircea_popescu because you don't want to be.
14:32 mircea_popescu but in any case -- regrettably, there is absolutely ~no glamour~ associated with the red stapler guy.
14:32 mircea_popescu it's not merely that he can't "progress" in "levels" such that empire gives him an exception.
14:32 mircea_popescu it's that he is not AT ALL different from the morons.
14:33 mircea_popescu yes perl scripts issued by the original perl interpreter ( http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-26#1111325 ) rather than ulterior models ~prefer~ to "conference butterfly". but this personal preference does not enact a difference.
14:33 a111 Logged on 2015-04-26 03:24 mircea_popescu: i see nobody wishes to engage the cunt problem. but yes, IT DOES RUN ON PERL.
14:34 mircea_popescu the "d00d designing turbine parts in broom-closet-sized office" and " i'm not even convinced there's any meat involved" are physically and entirely the same exact thing.
14:34 asciilifeform from the pov of 'who does not want to believe, will not' ?
14:34 asciilifeform sure.
14:35 mircea_popescu ie, not merely "just says wasp". i am actually saying there is no way to distinguish between the two.
14:35 mircea_popescu in the very strict terminology of the turing test : if you get a mystery box you can't explain whether it contains type 1 moron or type 2 moron.
14:35 asciilifeform the wasp himself however can certainly distinguish b/w own species and other.
14:36 mircea_popescu chimichurri, who is a boy, went once to the lake, where a dominant duck tried to fuck him.
14:36 mircea_popescu distinguish nothing -- they just spray and pray.
14:36 mircea_popescu cunts run on perl, remember ?
14:36 asciilifeform do the wasps tho. iirc they're quite picky re pheronomal key.
14:36 asciilifeform grr where was that old link, where walrus fucks penguin to death.
14:37 asciilifeform iirc it was a BingoBoingo find. BingoBoingo do you remember ?
14:37 mircea_popescu well, this is where the wasp analogy breaks down -- because there is no way to distinguish between the speshul snowflake "engineer" and the speshul snoflake douchebag.
14:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: diff is that the latter goes around begging, whereas the former has some hole he drilled into fed pipe and drinks from it (while green comes out)
14:38 asciilifeform sorta like diff b/w mosquito and flea
14:38 mircea_popescu this is a difference of all the substance of "difference between car and car is that car is parked while car is moving"
14:39 * asciilifeform straps on heavy gas mask
14:39 mircea_popescu the begging and the drinking are states, both items switch through them.
14:39 asciilifeform if mircea_popescu is aristotelically determined not to see a diff when it dun suit him, i got nuffin
14:41 BingoBoingo This walrus raping a penguin and getting the gull hot? https://i.imgur.com/lJC5lxu.gifv
14:41 mircea_popescu well what is the difference ?! is http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-31#1883795 the point of breakdown perhaps ?
14:41 a111 Logged on 2018-12-31 03:56 mircea_popescu: Mocky if this may help you take heart, ~everyone's employability is ~epsilon in the us. "jobs" work as alt-welfare conduits, no genuine productivity is present or contemplated.
14:41 asciilifeform ty BingoBoingo , is exactly the item
14:42 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-19#1244625 << Unable to find the first instance. Already referenced as existing a few lines up from the link
14:42 a111 Logged on 2015-08-19 23:49 mircea_popescu: the result being that behaviour in the walrus gif
14:42 mircea_popescu i dunno, maybe you're right, and the problem is i've predetermined not to see it. but then again this is a terrifyingly weak argument, because of its association with a dutch moron called søren, whose bright idea it was to propose that the reason you don't see what distinguishes his fsm from all the others is that you don't want to!!!
14:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: there are public fools, who spam impotently; and there are other folx, whose existence, however wretched/inca-besotten, is silent . i see the latter as less loathesome. this may be an ideological diff, i have nfi.
14:43 mircea_popescu i honestly could as well see it, for the same money i don't see it. not like it costs me.
14:44 asciilifeform spamola, in the most general sense of word, i.e. 'folx who have 0 to say , but open mouth anyway' is imho the principal plague of our time. so from this pov i see diff.
14:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform if you were saying something like "lice are better than fleas, because i personally have a serious problem with jumping" it'd even be one thing, idiosyncratic but specific. what seems to me you're saying though, is "the flying mosquitoes are worse than the ones settled, because i hate flying", and then beiung surprised by the necessary and equally obvious "but alf -- trhe same ones fly and settle in turns!"
14:47 asciilifeform i recall in buenosaires there were mosquitoes, but somehow they could not penetrate my skin, i watched and laffed as 1 tried
14:47 mircea_popescu how does "d00d designing turbine parts in broom-closet-sized office" in incadom distinguish from spammer ?
14:47 asciilifeform and indeed found'em to be less loathesome than the ones in washingtonistan.
14:47 mircea_popescu not like he's ~making something~.
14:48 asciilifeform i suppose oughta separate the 'which one would rather be condemned to' from 'which moar loathesome to the olympian observer'
14:48 asciilifeform they aint fully separate in my head, cuz i aint an olympian
14:48 mircea_popescu in the end this is the problem, isn't it -- you think that ~yes he is~ making something -- turbine parts. as if the parts have an existence beyond and above the incadom they're made in
14:48 mircea_popescu ie, you're a materialist-idealist. though with some derrogations, you don't like importing the code of these turbine makers.,
14:49 asciilifeform aaactually what little i've touched with own hands from 'made in usa' , comes 100% from these.
14:49 asciilifeform granted, '80s-90s.
14:50 mircea_popescu so basically, that's the dispute. you believe turbine part is turbine part qua se, and i'm gonna say, "but alf... these aren't turbine parts, they're ~religious artefacts~. similarity to actual turbine parts ~coincidental~."
14:50 asciilifeform dunno, i have e.g. perfectly working logic analyzer here, made by one such.
14:50 asciilifeform ( not even speaking of bolix or other 'holy war' fodders )
14:50 mircea_popescu and then the conversation flows by itself, "suppose i test one of them artefacts and it matches turbine ?" "then you have ~made~ a turbine ~out of a~ religious artefact"
14:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the only rerason it is a logic analyzer is your "perfectly working" stamp.
14:51 mircea_popescu otherwise it'd just be rubbish.
14:51 asciilifeform or, say, 'commodore 64', built by ex-auschwitz inmate j. tramiel and 6 other d00dz in some barn.
14:52 mircea_popescu you, alf, have literally produced such a logic analyzer, out of some raw materials. exact same process as electronics factory
14:52 mircea_popescu just, you work with garbage, they work with pcbs
14:52 asciilifeform so all rubbish until breath life into it ? can say this about anyffin at all neh.
14:52 asciilifeform knife, fork, wrench.
14:53 mircea_popescu there's two kinds of civilisations : dead and alive.
14:53 mircea_popescu the dead are distinguished from the alive in that they're broken the meaning covenant.
14:53 asciilifeform ( and on other end, it is literally troo of all rubbish -- if zeus could rearrange the atoms, dead racoon could be prime rib, or diamond, etc )
14:53 mircea_popescu consequently, nothing of theirs can be trusted. they don't have objects in the usual sense. they have religious artefacts.
14:53 mircea_popescu these can be studied, but can not be used.
14:54 asciilifeform imho 30y+ ago they still made occasional object ( in mircea_popescu's sense )
14:54 mircea_popescu until and unless human culture recoallesces into a form where i can trust their products, it will be the case we have an orc culture, where everything's suspect of poisoning.
14:54 mircea_popescu in any and all cases -- the maker is he whose guarantee we accept.
14:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform even as late as 2005, in the subjective sense that i ~trusted~ them to.
14:55 asciilifeform i aint about to disagree with this formula ( it's 100% of the thrust of vtronics, say )
14:55 asciilifeform ( observe why asciilifeform regularly refers to his worx as 'junkyard wars' )
14:56 mircea_popescu observed.
14:59 mircea_popescu in the end this discussion turned out most productive. it makes obivous the distinction between the latins (very much alive) and the christians (deader than disco) : i very much expect a phrase lifted from petronius to ~work for me today~ ; i entirely expect any clipping of the "church fathers" to drip more poison than can be ever documented, and in no case be usable for anything.
15:00 asciilifeform entertainingly, even the '80s-90s' proviso aint 100%; just last week i had occasion to plug in a http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884363 , nominally made in some barn in usa, and it's a+++
15:00 a111 Logged on 2019-01-04 15:12 asciilifeform: in other olds-noose, asciilifeform installed a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674958 , and it's pretty great. ty phf !
15:00 asciilifeform https://www.clearlysuperiortech.com << where it came from.
15:00 asciilifeform ( found via phf's link from coupla yrs ago )
15:01 asciilifeform thing is built like t34, can break heads with it.
15:01 mircea_popescu "Clearly Superior Technologies is a family business. We take pride in our level of service and the quality and consistency of our products. We cater to all organizations and individuals that want or need easy button access and a large, easy to control ball with a high degree of durability."
15:02 mircea_popescu sadly, novelty name rather than political declaration. but o well, better a fig than nothing at all.
15:02 asciilifeform in so far as the artifact itself is concerned, i suspect they aint lyin'
15:02 mircea_popescu i believe.
15:02 asciilifeform somehow that shop stays in biz.
15:02 mircea_popescu well, somehow. by not being too serious about that "clearly superior tech" thing.
15:03 asciilifeform hm what would be then 'too serious'
15:03 asciilifeform it's a pretty humble item.
15:03 asciilifeform ( with -- afaik -- no meaningful competition on quality. sorta like fg )
15:08 mircea_popescu aiming to replace the entire technological stack currently in use with their own, better alternative.
15:08 mircea_popescu ~it's what the words say~. it's not "clearly better trackballs".
15:08 asciilifeform a 3-man co that makes mice?!
15:09 asciilifeform i'll buy the nitpick re the name tho. name 'writes cheque arse can't cash'
15:09 asciilifeform ougtha be 'superior balls'.
15:10 asciilifeform at any rate, i know literally 0 re the outfit aside from what's claimed in their www, and the fact that they made the 1st ballmouse i've touched and not wanted to throw into window
15:11 asciilifeform and the latter in particular counts in favour of the hypothesis that yes, there's life somewhere, inca not exterminated errything.
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15:11 asciilifeform it dun 'replace whole techno-stack', no.
15:13 auctionbot Sell order # 1033 has ENDED: 500 wired filthy fiats (WU) SOLD to BingoBoingo for 140mn ecu. Attn: lobbes
15:14 asciilifeform a working ballmouse aint a wunderwaffen, no. but also not 'meaningless religious artifact' that can be entirely dismissed out of hand, imho.
15:15 asciilifeform for that matter, even fg theoretically 'made in usa', by combo of asciilifeform's hands and hired pcb house
15:16 asciilifeform or , e.g., that little disk gadget in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2943
15:16 asciilifeform also made fg-style (iirc even sores posted, and for ice40 no less)
15:17 asciilifeform or the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-15#1751813 device. plenty of items right here on my desk.
15:17 a111 Logged on 2017-12-15 01:57 phf: asciilifeform: http://downloads.cornall.co/ibm-capsense-usb/ is that what you used for your model f?
15:19 asciilifeform some d00d in a cellar, makes boards, sells.
15:19 asciilifeform no 'hr'.
15:20 asciilifeform i also sadly have artifacts made 'with hr'. that'd be the junk that worx on even-numbered calendar days ( crapple etc. )
15:20 asciilifeform it is not difficult in practice to tell the diff, on the day you plug it in.
15:23 asciilifeform this was the thrust of asciilifeform's arg in the orig thread -- yes there are still people-who-are-people. even inside reich. and no they havent yet all hoisted the republic banner ( each for own reasons, whether ignorance, or 'gotta pay bills NOW', or whatnot.) but they do make things worth having. and sell ( i suspect largely to one another.. )
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15:24 asciilifeform the tailor who made mircea_popescu's shirt is also not (afaik) in wot yet.
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15:25 asciilifeform if they knew how to do biz ~only~ with one another, and not heathens, i suspect -- would.
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15:25 asciilifeform but i dun expect to live to see that philosopher's stone.
15:27 asciilifeform in re the mouseball people, there is for instance rumour that they live mainly by selling shipboard ballmice to usg, for submarines.
15:27 asciilifeform i can believe it.
15:27 asciilifeform ( trad pc mouse cannot be used on ships or aircraft, for reasons i think are clear )
15:30 asciilifeform i am unequipped to pontificate whether this counts as a http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885478 tho.
15:30 a111 Logged on 2019-01-07 19:16 mircea_popescu: as a factual matter, there is not the object contemplated in the reich : a thinker so valuable in his thinking, usgistic socialism gives him a berth.
15:31 asciilifeform but to the extent the props of the reich are working physical artifacts, and they haven't yet descended to shaking pointed sticks and 'ook ook' sounds, they're made by somebody. and that's largely who, folx given -- yes -- some sorta berth.
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15:42 BingoBoingo !Qlater tell lobbes http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/r6rks/?raw=true
15:42 lobbesbot BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
15:55 asciilifeform ( for aficionados of earlier subj -- http://xahlee.info/kbd/itac_mouse-trak_trackball.html compares a coupla similars )
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19:07 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885607 << this is where we do not agree. "Clearly Superior Technologies is a family business." aka a dork manaloning somewhere with the support of a dedicated wife does NOT constitute life ; much in the manner "perhaps some bacteria on mars" does not mean "extraterrestrial civilisation".
19:07 a111 Logged on 2019-01-07 20:11 asciilifeform: and the latter in particular counts in favour of the hypothesis that yes, there's life somewhere, inca not exterminated errything.
19:08 asciilifeform yaya only olympus is life
19:08 mircea_popescu the capacity for life of menalone is ~potential~. it is not actual.
19:08 asciilifeform and only ambrosia, food
19:08 mircea_popescu men alone are not actually alive ; they are suspected of being perhaps capable of coming alive. that's all.
19:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you see some problem with distinctions in general or just some of them ?
19:09 asciilifeform i've nfi if even equipped to comment, per the scheme, possibly never been alive
19:10 mircea_popescu eh.
19:10 mircea_popescu dude's not publishing patches for anyone to sign, and your kind if ineffectual attempts to sign them anyway don't enact patches out of a void.
19:11 asciilifeform i dun know how to sign a pipe wrench either
19:11 asciilifeform yet i dare say i've got a pretty good one here
19:11 mircea_popescu if the standard is low enough for stco to pass, then 1941s france contained 10mn resistence fighters : 9.9 mn of which carefully preserved a room somewhere in the house "where no german set foot", through the procedure of no german happening to want to.
19:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform same way you signed a fg, which is the exact same fucking thing.
19:12 asciilifeform you may recall that the impossibility of signing a concrete, physical fg, continues to give asciilifeform headache
19:12 mircea_popescu imagine this wonder, "we're winning world war 2, llc", manufacturer of extremely effectual shove handles. THEY NEVER SPLINTER!
19:12 asciilifeform i aint invented a means to sign physical objs yet (and afaik nobody else has either)
19:13 mircea_popescu maybe i'm naive, but i'm satisfied with the extant methods as they stand.
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19:13 mircea_popescu "a) here's signed ideal ; b) here's concrete -- c) check"
19:13 asciilifeform i aint about to argue with a satisfied customer
19:13 asciilifeform but the particular problem is imho real.
19:13 mircea_popescu why not ? the true mark of the true engineer! :D
19:14 mircea_popescu remember that time corp imploded through engineers invovled telling anyone not to buy product, it sucks, they're making way better one ?
19:14 asciilifeform osborne
19:14 mircea_popescu happened plenty of times. aanyways -- what problem is real then ?
19:15 asciilifeform the one where once it goes in the postbox, i cannot definitely say what will come out on other end.
19:16 mircea_popescu notice that the collaose of white civilisation happened exactly around the forcelines of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-08#1885650 : they ~fucked up~ the publications of the ideal (through efforts very much like http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885267 ) resulting in the collapse of the checking and thus the necessary http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/ death.
19:16 a111 Logged on 2019-01-08 00:13 mircea_popescu: maybe i'm naive, but i'm satisfied with the extant methods as they stand.
19:16 a111 Logged on 2019-01-07 01:09 hanbot most recently ran into this particular flavor of wikiwank when looking for specific incident lead on ms-13 the other day, was bombarded by "trump falsely claims!!!"
19:18 asciilifeform relatedly, it is said that usg has an internal , proprietary pediwikia. but i've nfi what's in it, prolly a case of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-30#778095
19:18 a111 Logged on 2014-07-30 13:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: remember the story about gorby and andropov?
19:21 mircea_popescu nah, more like a case of -- http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-23#1547879
19:21 a111 Logged on 2016-09-23 23:22 mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, http://www.trackingterrorism.org/search/apachesolr_search/bitcoin
19:21 mircea_popescu or any of a bunch of such ridiculous nonsense we mocked over the yeears.
19:21 mircea_popescu i recall recent example i put in, except for the specifics. obama era meanwhile defunded pile of spurious posturing.
19:22 asciilifeform !#s intellipedia
19:22 a111 0 results for "intellipedia", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=intellipedia
19:22 asciilifeform hm.
19:22 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-25#1874521 << there it is.
19:22 a111 Logged on 2018-11-25 06:49 mircea_popescu: oh, and in other lulz http://trilema.com/2017/in-case-you-were-wondering-where-all-the-worthless-nuland-drones-ended-up/ : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter_Extremism_Project
19:22 mircea_popescu there's a lotta these.
19:22 asciilifeform nah diff item
19:22 asciilifeform the one on 'siprnet' etc
19:22 mircea_popescu yaya. we're back to the "no difference" discussion.
19:22 asciilifeform y'know, analogous to the 'sov real budget'
19:23 asciilifeform that andropov wouldn't show gorby
19:23 mircea_popescu nope. analoguous to "oh, this bureaucracy can't just put mp-wp on, gotta spend 5mns to pay some indian monkey $500 to wing an "in house" one overnight"
19:26 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885620 << i'm satisfied with my stance that "this is all fantasy", if nothing else then because even the clouds make "patterns worth watching" now and again, especially as a function of mood ; and time's certainly going the way of my stance being correct, rather than the opposite.
19:26 a111 Logged on 2019-01-07 20:23 asciilifeform: this was the thrust of asciilifeform's arg in the orig thread -- yes there are still people-who-are-people. even inside reich. and no they havent yet all hoisted the republic banner ( each for own reasons, whether ignorance, or 'gotta pay bills NOW', or whatnot.) but they do make things worth having. and sell ( i suspect largely to one another.. )
19:26 mircea_popescu menalone llc will spawn as it's principal product, and the spawn ain't gonna be like daddy.
19:26 mircea_popescu the spawn's gonna be like mommy.
19:27 asciilifeform they dun spawn, as such , they make $wrench for coupla decades and then the old man dies and that's it.
19:27 asciilifeform they're embers from fire that burned out some long time ago.
19:27 mircea_popescu leaving behind a coupla kids to "deal" with "the complicated legacy". you know p s hoffman ?
19:28 mircea_popescu fat faggot, died recently of faggotry-related health issues. he's been in so many of these...
19:28 asciilifeform my current impression is that most dun leave anyffin but a memory ( and sometimes a dusty warehouse )
19:31 mircea_popescu they leave behind a coupla degenerate morons, http://trilema.com/2016/the-savages/ style . or i guess http://trilema.com/2013/magnolia/ ;l same thing really.
19:31 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-20#1827481 << older thread about 1 of these
19:31 a111 Logged on 2018-06-20 00:37 asciilifeform: there's a fab in usa where, believe or not, they still make 2um classics like cdp1802 for usg. but they dun take walkins.
19:32 mircea_popescu spawn, what. between tom cruise "accomplishments" and kirsten wiig accomplishments, more or less michael cera.
19:32 asciilifeform ( yep they have a private 2uM fab going. is why the old 'warthog' still flies, and other 'vhs'-era tech )
19:32 mircea_popescu or was it michael zero.
19:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the warthog got withdrawn. ~for lack of that fab~.
19:33 * asciilifeform sadly cannot build on the cinematic refs, knows only 'tom cruise -- actor?' and is all
19:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: possibly, all i know re subj is 3-4 yrs old
19:33 asciilifeform when it was still inbiz
19:34 mircea_popescu i doubt it was anywhere near any biz, seeing how the warthog withdrawal happened prior.
19:34 asciilifeform i even managed to purchase a cdp1802 baked there, for lulz. but is all.
19:34 mircea_popescu died, cca 2003, like all others.
19:36 asciilifeform oh hey 2016
19:36 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885621 << nor is there any need for that. what, you're going to get the suit off a dead mp and wear it on to victory ?
19:36 a111 Logged on 2019-01-07 20:24 asciilifeform: the tailor who made mircea_popescu's shirt is also not (afaik) in wot yet.
19:36 asciilifeform 'In September 2016, it was announced that Renesas was to acquire Intersil for $3.2 billion'
19:36 mircea_popescu let the suit die wit hthe man ; socket wrenches another matter.
19:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: was in re hypothetical 'what if republic worked as closed sys'
19:37 mircea_popescu it does work as a closed system : gotta be this intellectually tall to ride is the securest seal ever invented.
19:39 asciilifeform https://www.renesas.com/us/en/products/space-harsh-environment/harsh-environment/microprocessors-peripherals/device/CDP1802A.html#ordering << lol, japan still sells, i had nfi
19:39 asciilifeform thought it'd evaporate with the swallowing.
19:39 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885622 << no, they fucking wouldn't, because they were spawned by strippers. who are still sitting around today, posturing idly in the vein of http://trilema.com/2017/heres-why-you-will-end-your-days-in-a-concentration-camp/ between the carrot of http://trilema.com/2013/various-kinds-of-stickiness/#comment-112932 and the cudgel of http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/
19:39 a111 Logged on 2019-01-07 20:25 asciilifeform: if they knew how to do biz ~only~ with one another, and not heathens, i suspect -- would.
19:43 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885629 << last anyone's seen, they've so descended, yes.
19:43 a111 Logged on 2019-01-07 20:31 asciilifeform: but to the extent the props of the reich are working physical artifacts, and they haven't yet descended to shaking pointed sticks and 'ook ook' sounds, they're made by somebody. and that's largely who, folx given -- yes -- some sorta berth.
19:43 mircea_popescu even the handcuffs are now zip ties.
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19:44 mircea_popescu and no, you can't ressurect a dead argument on the tail end of having been hammered into the ground. there's nobody alive ; there's no berths ; you can pursue this fantasy at a terrible cost anyway.
19:45 asciilifeform it's impossible to 'win argument' against 'tanana cant hear you', yes
19:47 asciilifeform a:'hey mircea_popescu , i saw kangaroo in a zoo once' m:'yer delusional , there aint no such animal, fuckin' brits lied about it' a:'looked quite like the drawing' m:'destructive fantasy, and at terrible cost, you saw mutilated donkey' a:'...'
19:49 mircea_popescu doesn't seem to me it's how it went, but aaalrighty.
19:56 mircea_popescu in any case, it's the (heavily promoted, of course) fantasy of the "geek" in mainstream ustard culture, "oh, i'll be SO GOOD IN CLASS little slut rosa's defo gonna get wet for me". as cameron diaz well points out : never gonna fucking happen.
19:56 mircea_popescu there ~isn't~ a way to be good ~at your chosen field~ such that you're a successful chowdry in incadom.
19:57 mircea_popescu yes, it was an extremely popular delusion in the 90s even, which is to say "within living memory", hence "entrepreneurial culture" and all that wank. nevertheless, delusions, howsoever popular (and therefore osmotically persuasive) they may get, stay delusions.
20:00 mircea_popescu for as long starvation / being eaten alive by wild animals while very fucking cold is not on the table, little slut rosa has other shit to attend to ; outside of deliberate and constructed exclusion of the stupid poor from the workings of society, the stupid poor have no incentive to respect same. and so on.
20:04 asciilifeform it's what 'vhs 1980s' was shorthand for, neh, 'work on salary and afford 3 houses and boat'
20:04 asciilifeform went away long ago, if existed, i never saw it
20:04 mircea_popescu and since we're here, let's go on an archeological detour.
20:05 mircea_popescu the (batshit insane, in modern terminology) claim of the xtians that their fsb controls "life everlasting" was ~meaningful~ in times past, and built out of the following articulation of logic :
20:06 mircea_popescu as the life habits [they stole from "those pagans" the stoics] promoted longevity, it was a trivial observation (for they inclined to observe, of course) that xtians ~live longer~ than non-xtians. THIS was the substance of the entirety of the supernatural claim, for a thousand years or so, and yes, to the orc mind it makes sense that the bearded dood in the sky who makes these weirdos die 70s not 50s perhaps has more of the s
20:06 mircea_popescu ame in store ofr later.
20:06 asciilifeform the hindu did this even better iirc
20:07 mircea_popescu as rational inquiry divorced longevity from religiosity, the claim lost its meaning, but it is ever present in strangeola like "smoking is a sin".
20:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the reason there were three religions in the mediteranean was that specifically all three delivered this.
20:07 asciilifeform ( it showed up again in modern times, in the form of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-02#1883881 )
20:07 a111 Logged on 2019-01-02 17:39 asciilifeform: ( the gulag folx chalked it up to 'lack of vodka' for the most part tho )
20:07 mircea_popescu indeed.
20:08 mircea_popescu hence an unbroken chain, from http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735907 to http://trilema.com/2018/yes-bitch-i-would-bring-it/
20:08 a111 Logged on 2017-11-10 15:12 mircea_popescu: stipendi peccatus mors est.
20:09 asciilifeform of course there is also mark twain's addendum to this, 'quit drink, quit smoke, you might not live >100 but it will ~feel~ like 1000' or how did it go
20:09 mircea_popescu well yes. the socialist trade is always a case of "substitute vinyl siding for brick wall".
20:10 mircea_popescu "substitute moses for zeno" same exact deal.
20:14 mircea_popescu now then : all these fantasies, "i'll worship so purely i'll never die", "i'll get a paycheck so huge i won't have to go on dates anymore", "i'll be that kurchatov" rely on something specific : there's gotta be a stalin. there's no stalin of long living, nor is there a stalin of rooseveltian socialism -- the thing's built ~specifically~ (and ~purposefully~, deliberately) as a "stalinism without any stalin".
20:16 mircea_popescu "but mp, you own this-and-so company that got specific safe harbour /legal extemption/ whatever precisely fitting "berth" definition item from x/y/z posturer to authority". "yes, i did ; and i can, too. but it is a) not ever obtained through the avenue here contemplated and, importantly, MUCH more importantly, b) a dodge. it is strictly there to mask from the dangerous the fundamental state of affairs."
20:17 asciilifeform i actually have deeply nfi how they were (or are?) obtained, today or 40y ago
20:17 asciilifeform could be through marriage into nobility for all i know.
20:18 mircea_popescu it's how anything valuable ever is obtained : http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-30#998185
20:18 a111 Logged on 2015-01-30 05:51 mircea_popescu: which is why i am not ever giving it up. the freedom to threaten is not merely my fundamental, unassailable sovereign property, but moreover essential for the construction of effectual instruments to squash the socialists and their golums.
20:19 asciilifeform i suppose could be 'leave my cement factory alone or i send you yer daughter's other ear'
20:19 asciilifeform i've nfi.
20:20 mircea_popescu remember the famous tito-stalin "leave yugo alone" exhange ? keks.
20:20 asciilifeform aha
20:21 asciilifeform ( or for that matter, whether renesas co. of tokyo was able to swallow usg's intersil co. because jp sent preet his daugher's other ear, or because preet married jp princess and sits on throne there, i also have nfi )
20:21 mircea_popescu can't say i've been following.
20:22 mircea_popescu if i had to take a blind wager, it'd be ye olde "information differential" -- jp knew and usg didn't.
20:22 mircea_popescu same way peter minuit bought manhattan. married no slovenly local cuntlet.
20:22 asciilifeform !#s principal agent
20:22 a111 8 results for "principal agent", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=principal%20agent
20:23 asciilifeform i'd guess it was a case of http://trilema.com/2018/the-principal-agent-problem-or-how-america-went-away/#selection-131.79-131.97 , some ameri-monkey was in a position to take the 3.2B in paper in exch for whatever crater, and did
20:23 asciilifeform and turned it into 100k of turkey green spendable in thailand to fuck sheep, and is doing so nao
20:24 asciilifeform err, possibly wrong link
20:24 asciilifeform moar http://trilema.com/2018/the-principal-agent-problem-or-how-america-went-away/#selection-205.1-217.110
20:29 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-08#1885715 << revisiting this lul : not long ago i saw a cop collar some monkeys on the street, and believe or not, bona fide cuffs
20:29 a111 Logged on 2019-01-08 00:43 mircea_popescu: even the handcuffs are now zip ties.
20:30 asciilifeform possibly in flyshit, ohio -- zip ties.
20:31 asciilifeform ( phunphakt -- in ye olde su, handcuff was uncommon, outside of where it was used as an instrument of 'question of the third degree', in a form of old-school 'strappado' . )
20:34 mircea_popescu maybe until the unionized cops who still know how to work a lock-and-key last, who knows.
20:37 asciilifeform they carry cheap imported pistol, cuffs, flashlight, and the traditional 'democratizer', and these props havent visibly changed in asciilifeform's living memory
20:37 asciilifeform iirc coupla yrs ago i linked to photos i took at a 'police expo' where all of this was proudly exhibited to gawking public
20:38 asciilifeform complete with tiny little chopper, held 1 d00d
20:38 mircea_popescu also the 800 lb incendiary "entry devices" ? lol.
20:38 asciilifeform a:'where do you put prisoner' cop:'wtf you smoking? chopper takes pictures'
20:38 asciilifeform them.
20:38 mircea_popescu golden age came and went.
20:39 asciilifeform it's mostly surplus gear from iraq
20:39 asciilifeform i dun expect it lasts 4evah
20:39 asciilifeform (with the possible exception of the cast-iron battering rams, dunno how those'd break)
20:39 asciilifeform there was a schmeisser-like thing, rusted solid, dunno why they even bothered showing it
20:40 asciilifeform (possibly to evoke pity ? 'we want moar grant')
20:40 mircea_popescu keks.
20:40 asciilifeform 1 item looked like old 'lahti' antitank rifle. i asked 'why'. beat cop : 'cars'
20:41 asciilifeform possibly the 1 interesting item in the exhibit, was approx as long as i am tall
20:44 asciilifeform there was also a http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-26#1072977 -style caterpillar bot thing , with shotgun, but unremarkable
20:44 a111 Logged on 2015-03-26 20:43 asciilifeform: one to break doors, gates; one to threaten bystanders, if any, with 'accidental' fire; one to shoot; and perhaps one with a cage that arrestee -might- be permitted to surrender into, if the bot's voice-recognition system works and if orders included a possible live capture
20:44 asciilifeform ( these are standard nao, as i understand, even in flyshit ohio )
20:46 asciilifeform one might naively expect that the bot would have a belt-fed shooter of some kind, but nope -- it had double barrel '12gauge' , loaded by hand.
20:46 asciilifeform could say 'golden age over', but i dunthink their goldenage included shotgun bots.
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