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00:27 venatiodecorus h
00:32 mircea_popescu !!key venatiodecorus
00:32 deedbot http://wot.deedbot.org/FF906B3F96AECBD309ACE64B81F7925933C60814.asc
00:32 mircea_popescu that's a new one.
00:32 mircea_popescu venatiodecorus who might you be then ?
00:32 venatiodecorus i was talking to danielpbarron on efnet
00:33 venatiodecorus he linked some stuff and i got to reading about ur game and bitcoin work and evreything
00:33 mircea_popescu anything good ?
00:33 venatiodecorus sounds interesting
00:33 mircea_popescu so try it out.
00:33 venatiodecorus ok
00:35 venatiodecorus u use tge right?
00:35 venatiodecorus the original version?
00:35 venatiodecorus that's what it looks like
00:40 mircea_popescu hm ?
00:40 venatiodecorus the game engine looks like torque
00:48 mircea_popescu ah. notrly. but yo ucan look through the client, it's published.
00:50 venatiodecorus ah hmm
00:50 venatiodecorus i used to work on an mmo that ran on torque, thought it looked similar to that
00:50 venatiodecorus ill check it out
00:56 deedbot http://bimbo.club/?p=88 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 11/07/2018
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01:23 phf venatiodecorus: originally i believe eulora client was based on planeshift, and it runs on crystal space engine.
01:23 venatiodecorus phf: yeah i was actually just browsing the source and reading up on the history
01:23 venatiodecorus planeshift is a custom engine coupleod with the crystal space 3d rendering engine
01:24 mircea_popescu right.
01:24 mircea_popescu venatiodecorus is lulzsec still alive lol
01:24 venatiodecorus lol no
01:25 venatiodecorus there is a guy on twitter @lulzsecops who claims to have been around them back then or something like that
01:25 venatiodecorus the channel ban expired on 2600net and i grabbed the channel just cuz i thought it was funny
01:26 mircea_popescu ahs.
01:32 mircea_popescu meanwhile in fucking hysterical if entirely inconsequential nonsense, vice delivers : https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/nz7w9b/hacker-outs-himself-as-fbi-snitch-and-claims-he-helped-track-down-isis
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01:34 mircea_popescu ""It seems believable to me. I dunno why someone would make this up," Cochran told Motherboard in an encrypted chat. " because totally, "attention whoring, just like everyone else in the attention whoring '''industry'''" is not self-evident and arch-sufficient and explanation. and don't forget kids -- ENCRYPTED CHATS!!!
01:34 venatiodecorus yep shmoop
01:34 venatiodecorus he was p entertaining tho
01:35 venatiodecorus honestly tho mircea_popescu jamie knows her shit
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01:35 venatiodecorus so if that was her feeling on the matter i'd trust her opinion
01:35 mircea_popescu !!gettrust jamie
01:35 deedbot L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
01:35 venatiodecorus well, she knew her shit. rip :(
01:35 mircea_popescu exactly equal to any other dumb cow.
01:36 venatiodecorus naw she was cool
01:36 mircea_popescu though i suppose heifer is the technically accurate term.
01:49 mircea_popescu oh, and in other lulz http://trilema.com/2017/in-case-you-were-wondering-where-all-the-worthless-nuland-drones-ended-up/ : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter_Extremism_Project
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01:49 mircea_popescu kinda funny, all this obama-era debris. ridiculous libertard cocksuckers and their dumb shit.
02:01 mircea_popescu and to round up the keks, https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/isis-terrorist-junaid-hussain-killed-10069425 ; moneyshot : "Birmingham Isis terrorist Junaid Hussain effectively signed his own death warrant after clicking on a “poison” internet link pinpointing his location, it was reported. The Times claimed the link was sent to the 21-year-old on the Surespot phone messager app by an undercover agent after
02:01 mircea_popescu GCHQ and its US allies cracked encrypted Islamic State communications." a sort of http://trilema.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/#selection-161.0-161.52
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08:06 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-24#1874476 - cheers!
08:06 a111 Logged on 2018-11-24 23:49 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma put your patch into the 'official' sequence, rather than simply sewing it into ch13, i'd like to explicitly honour the work.
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10:22 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-25#1874509 << oblig lul >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1468
10:22 a111 Logged on 2018-11-25 06:32 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in fucking hysterical if entirely inconsequential nonsense, vice delivers : https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/nz7w9b/hacker-outs-himself-as-fbi-snitch-and-claims-he-helped-track-down-isis
10:22 mircea_popescu justabout.
10:23 mircea_popescu in other news, working on some gds specwork, draft later today.
10:23 asciilifeform neato!
10:23 mircea_popescu though i suspect it'll be mostly questions by mass. but ... we discuss.
10:23 asciilifeform y'mean gns ? or renamed
10:26 mircea_popescu typoed.
10:26 asciilifeform lolk
10:29 mircea_popescu it boggles the mind though, these fucktarded morons, they'd actually use usg.dumbphones ? in fucking syria ? PERSONALLY ?!
10:29 mircea_popescu just what the fuck do they put in the water over there in the zekstan ?
10:29 diana_coman possibly the same "how can you live without a smartphone???"
10:30 mircea_popescu is it THAT FUCKING HARD to just have a relay ? i mean... not like i use the fetlife app for fucks sake. because why would i.
10:31 mircea_popescu i never saw that "spittyspot" or w/e thing, but im ready to write an open guarantee it doesn't come with basic functionality.
10:31 mircea_popescu a la fetlife not coming with a "list females under 25" button. becase "reasons", of course.
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11:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: matters so much ~which~ pnoje ? if yer a 10watt microwave lighthouse in middle of desert
11:22 mircea_popescu syria is not a desert.
11:23 mircea_popescu syria is ~california. sage brush and shit.
11:23 asciilifeform lol loox like i gotta actually read the linked lulpiece
11:24 asciilifeform aah apparently asciilifeform stuck in '90s, current.usg dun bother with hf-df anymoar , nao 'click on link and share yer gps coords'
11:25 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Yes, USG ferments shitstack for reasons
11:34 mircea_popescu fucking idiocy this html. so i have a long line with no whitespace, and i want it to break CORRECTLY. like an idiot i spent 15 minutes digging up "word-wrap: break-word" magic syntax, and then another 10 for "how to make css go inline into html". as a result, INSTEAD of breaking like i want it to break, typographically, it breaks moronically (stuffs a whole line of the long line into the paragaph, then breaks it off, but the
11:34 mircea_popescu previous line is fuckspaced because obviously, it didn't break an early fragment of the long line to fix the typographic needs of the line coming before it.
11:35 mircea_popescu fucking html, ALWAYS this is my experience with it : sink however long you want into making it do what you want it to, then write off that effort and hand-coerce things instead.
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11:35 mircea_popescu in this case, a spurious line break sorta dozen characters in.
11:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: now you know what half of ffa illustration sweat loox like !
11:36 mircea_popescu fucking terrible.
11:36 asciilifeform ikr
11:36 mircea_popescu and it takes like 8 fucking tries to get the right length by trial and error, too. fuck my life, why am i living in the chair of an idiot.
11:37 asciilifeform e.g. the karatsuba 'sandwiches' took coupla ~days~ of this.
11:37 asciilifeform ( and i found that in order for the result to actually display correctly, gotta throw out ~all post-2000 htmlisms, css, etc and go to 1990s-era tags )
11:38 mircea_popescu it's what trilema does, and for this reason. and every time i ventrure out...
11:38 mircea_popescu and the annoying part of syntax wrangling is that now it overwrote my mental space, i don't even fucking recall wtf i was saying.
11:38 asciilifeform this is in fact ~the~ cost, not that the drawing takes 4evah
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11:55 billymg mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: next time you can simply say "billymg: it should look like this, make it so"
11:56 billymg it won't fix css but it may save you from some headaches
11:57 asciilifeform billymg: do you know the story of why knuth wrote 'tex' ?
11:57 billymg i do not
11:58 asciilifeform knuth was writing a large mathematical encyclopaedia, his famous 'aop' ; and did not like having to wait for typesetter to 'make it so', esp. given as it always took N tries and introduced new mistake erry time ( mistake that typesetter could not even see , not being knuth )
11:59 asciilifeform !#s ooda loop
11:59 a111 19 results for "ooda loop", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ooda%20loop
11:59 asciilifeform ^ see also.
12:00 billymg ah, so would need typesetter that could "see the mistakes"
12:00 billymg if such a thing could even exist
12:00 asciilifeform and works in a few sec, 24/7
12:01 asciilifeform i.e. has to be mechanical.
12:01 asciilifeform and no it doesn't need to 'see mistakes', it needs to not make'em.
12:03 mircea_popescu billymg it should look like this : http://trilema.com/2018/this-gns-thing/#selection-141.91-153.102
12:03 mircea_popescu what code delivers the result of that \n between 3 and 9 ?
12:04 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/this-gns-thing/ << Trilema - This GNS thing...
12:04 billymg in that example it looks like wordpress spit out a <br> to manually break the line
12:05 mircea_popescu (obviously the \n fixes nothiong, because every rendering engine will fuck it up differently. which is why it'd be nice to have code, and which is why html was even allowed to exist in the first place -- the promise, meanwhile scandalously defaulted on, that it will resolve exactly such things, cheaply and forever)
12:05 billymg but you're looking for a css property that will break a single string when it reaches the end of the line?
12:05 mircea_popescu billymg yes, i put it in. now tell me the html that makes it look like that without hard linebreak.
12:06 mircea_popescu billymg no. i am looking for a html property that will make text flow correctly. which is to say -- break as much of a long word as needed to fill PREVIOUS line.
12:06 mircea_popescu why the fuck this isn't default is anyone's guess, there's ~no other way anyone wants text to ever go anyway. but w/e.
12:08 mircea_popescu http://archive.is/ZONF2#selection-193.38-201.35 << yup, sure enough it's fucked on archive.is
12:08 billymg i think it's `word-wrap: break-word`
12:09 mircea_popescu what that does is that it fucks the previous line, fills a whole subsequent line with a chunk of the long word, and puts the remainder on a third line
12:10 mircea_popescu looky : if you have words of lengths 5, 5, 6, 17 and a line of 20 characters, the expected behavious is A) 5 5 6 3 / 14. NOT b) 5 5 6 / 17.
12:17 billymg ah ok
12:17 * billymg trial-and-erroring to see if this is possible in css
12:22 billymg so `word-break: break-all` works in that any string will be cut when it hits the end of the line, but this has the unintended consequence of breaking spoken language words as well
12:23 billymg so one solution is to wrap you string in something like `<span class="break">longstring</span>` and setting `.break { word-break: break-all; }`
12:24 billymg it still requires manual markup but it has the benefit of breaking at the right character automatically, rather than finding the character manually and placing a `<br>` after it
12:28 mircea_popescu let's try this then!
12:31 billymg hey, looks good on my end (in that post) -- previously the `<br>` was breaking it a bit too soon and leaving some whitespace at the end of the line, before printing the remainder on the next line
12:32 mircea_popescu billymg no, see : http://archive.is/x2Ci6#selection-189.0-197.209 ? this is breakage.
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12:32 mircea_popescu again, the desire behaviour is 5-5-6-FRAGMENT OF 3 then on next line remainder of 14. NOT!!!! 5-5-6-whitespace then on next line WHOLE 17.
12:33 billymg that's how it appears on my screen
12:33 billymg ugh, perhaps a property not widely supported
12:37 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2018/this-gns-thing/ << fixed, finally.
12:38 mircea_popescu ima put this in the log, as a testament to just how indescribably retarded html is :
12:38 mircea_popescu F<wbr />C<wbr />6<wbr />6<wbr />C<wbr />0<wbr />C<wbr />5<wbr />D<wbr />9<wbr />8<wbr />C<wbr />4<wbr />2<wbr />A<wbr />1<wbr />D<wbr />4<wbr />A<wbr />9<wbr />8<wbr />B<wbr />6<wbr />B<wbr />4<wbr />2<wbr />Fv9<wbr />9<wbr />8<wbr />5<wbr />A<wbr />F<wbr />A<wbr />B<wbr />9<wbr />5<wbr />3<wbr />C<wbr />4<wbr />/<wbr />1<wbr />7<wbr />2<wbr />1<wbr />5<wbr />D<wbr />1<wbr />1<wbr />8<wbr />B<wbr />7<wbr />2<wbr />3<wbr />9<w
12:38 mircea_popescu br />5<wbr />0<wbr />7<wbr />F<wbr />A<wbr />F<wbr />E<wbr />D<wbr />9<wbr />8<wbr />B<wbr />9<wbr />8<wbr />2<wbr />2<wbr />8<wbr />A<wbr />0<wbr />0<wbr />1<wbr />A<wbr />B<wbr />F<wbr />F<wbr />C<wbr />7<wbr />/<wbr />g<wbr />n<wbr />s
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12:39 billymg lol, that's awful
12:40 billymg fwiw the word-break thing on trilema was rendering like this for me http://billymg.com/downloads/word-break.png
12:40 billymg it apparently is supposed to be supported as of firefox 15
12:41 billymg but that could just mean the property, and not all values for the property
12:54 mircea_popescu i believe... but if eg archive doesn't see it properly...
13:04 deedbot http://bimbo.club/?p=89 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 11/08/2018
13:08 billymg it was rendering fine on archive.is for me too, since they just snapshot the html/css (and i inspected to see that it had the styled `<span>` in there)
13:09 billymg but i see your point, if it doesn't render properly on a republican box then it doesn't render properly
13:11 billymg which is quite disappointing for me, i was excited at the prospect of a line of my css making it into trilema! :D
13:16 mircea_popescu billymg link ?
13:16 billymg in this archive link you posted: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-25#1874594
13:16 a111 Logged on 2018-11-25 17:32 mircea_popescu: billymg no, see : http://archive.is/x2Ci6#selection-189.0-197.209 ? this is breakage.
13:17 mircea_popescu oh, right, it'd be my browser fucking it up huh.
13:17 mircea_popescu though i looked at it through various.
13:17 billymg yeah, and not surprising considering they update the "spec" every coupla months
13:17 mircea_popescu aaanyway. wbr it is, that works universally.
13:21 billymg unrelated, mircea_popescu: what do you think of the lake arenal region? i visited once and was playing around with the idea of even moving there
13:21 billymg at this point i think it's either that or texas for me (as a temp solution)
13:22 billymg with the goal of being able to arrange my life in such a way that provides more time for actual work
13:22 mircea_popescu i don't know that i'd move there ; but it's certainly a pleasant two day trip.
13:23 billymg because of how remote it is from any city?
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13:43 mircea_popescu well, arenal was actually active last i was here, 15 years ago.
13:44 mircea_popescu i mean, i watched the lava flow at night from my bed. living on the side of an active volcano doesn't strike me as "humanity's best moment" material.
13:45 mircea_popescu and yes, it's remote and so supply-inconvenient, for all sorts of things.
13:46 mircea_popescu also, there are no cities here. the local's notion of building strictly meets barn criteria, they throw up some sheet metal atop soldered metal pikes and call it done. the only city is san jose, and it's a sorry sort of akron, at that.
13:46 mircea_popescu everything else is shanty-town.
13:49 mircea_popescu there's some merits to this, considering square foot of floor space is cheaper here than anywhere else, and by a degree of magnitude (unless, of course, one buys into the miami idiocy -- then it's a good 50% more expensive).
13:50 mircea_popescu moreover, earthquakes are frequent, the terrain very uneven and the need for insulation nil -- heavy masonry building like my culture favours ( http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-10#824588 ) provides great insulation and significant earthquake vulnerability but requires flat terrain -- a terrible fit for the actual situation.
13:50 a111 Logged on 2014-09-10 15:02 mircea_popescu: well yeah. was a bunch o people, they got building permit and proceeded to built like at home. concrete pillars, brick walls etc.
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13:51 mircea_popescu basically, conditions that in maramures produced a wood civilisation are producing a metal civilisation among these gypsies -- salt-of-the-earth man's ideal toy is soldering kit.
13:55 billymg ah, makes sense, thank you
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15:52 phf asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HGgIN/?raw=true
15:56 deedbot http://pizarroisp.net/2018/11/25/pizarro-weekly-update-november-25th-2018/ << PizarroISP - Pizarro Weekly Update November 25th 2018
16:02 trinque BingoBoingo: might I suggest contacting some of the n00bs directly, here, and asking them what would make them a pizarro customer
16:02 trinque could very well be that plenty hadn't had - you know - the thought, man.
16:03 BingoBoingo trinque: Quite of few new arrivals are already subscribed, but this is a point
16:03 trinque I'll say for the record that while I've been quite the loud activist customer, it's precisely because I'm thrilled with the level of service, and want to see the thing thrive.
16:04 BingoBoingo Your thrills are appreciated
16:04 trinque BingoBoingo: could also incentivize them to do their own selling, "get a month free when you invite" kind of thing
16:05 * trinque brb
16:08 BingoBoingo Incentivizing selling is definitely been a thing we haven't succeeded much with so far and could be ripe.
16:14 BingoBoingo Another thing that seems to have been tabled which I am finding more interesting after my blog disaster is an adult Rockchip plant. Especially now that MP-WP appears to be less of a threat to exhaust RAM after tweaking 1 MYSQL knob.
16:16 trinque yep, look at my recent vps lulz re: "oh hypervisor was misconfigured". thin hosting on real hardware is a market, whether derps know it yet or not. tell 'em.
16:30 asciilifeform !Q later tell phf plz send to addr in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1873029 , ty
16:30 a111 Logged on 2018-11-16 21:48 asciilifeform: ( addr is in top-left of 1st photo of mircea_popescu's http://trilema.com/2017/fuckgoats-unboxing-of )
16:30 lobbesbot asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
16:30 phf asciilifeform: ack
16:30 lobbesbot phf: Sent just now: <asciilifeform> plz send to addr in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1873029 , ty
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18:35 BingoBoingo !Qlater tell asciilifeform http://aaronrogier.net/4_alf.tar.gz.gpg
18:35 lobbesbot BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
18:36 asciilifeform mein gott, 33MB!
18:36 lobbesbot asciilifeform: Sent 1 minute ago: <BingoBoingo> http://aaronrogier.net/4_alf.tar.gz.gpg
18:37 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It's a certain porn shoot you requested a couple weeks back for today
18:37 asciilifeform aaaa
18:37 asciilifeform ty BingoBoingo
18:38 BingoBoingo yw asciilifeform
18:39 asciilifeform a good % of these are underexposed / invisible
18:39 asciilifeform i suggest to BingoBoingo to bring a lamp and retake
18:39 asciilifeform ( dun have to send me the result, just sit on it )
18:39 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Will do
18:40 asciilifeform ty BingoBoingo
18:41 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: also you'll want to draw on'em
18:41 asciilifeform ( dun particularly matter what, so long as you recognize the 'tit shoot' laters )
18:42 asciilifeform take note of the examples i left behind.
18:42 BingoBoingo Aite, I'll make sure to apply the Johnson oil liberally
18:42 asciilifeform worx.
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20:41 trinque is there some cleaner way of having vdiff produce a genesis than having an empty directory laying around with which to vdiff?
20:53 asciilifeform imho the empty dir approach needs no sugar
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21:21 trinque fair nuff
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21:46 deedbot http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2822 << Loper OS - Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 13: Width-Measure and Quiet Shifts.
21:46 asciilifeform diana_coman et al ^
21:46 asciilifeform !Q later tell phf plox to snarf http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2822 into http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=ffa , ty
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21:46 lobbesbot asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
21:54 * asciilifeform bbl;meat
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23:00 BingoBoingo In anthro lulz an Elliot who decided to cope by marrying Jesus got killed by natives on an Island nominally part of India and nobody has any idea how to collect the cadaver
23:07 trinque seems kinda screwy that vdiff exits nonzero when the parameters differ. I know this is classical diff behavior, but eh. I'd expect that to mean "wasn't able to perform diff"
23:07 trinque do/don't differ is known by whether there's output
23:08 * trinque holds his nose and appends a || true
23:12 trinque asciilifeform: cuntoo bootstrapper produces the same genesis.vpatch repeatedly, runs without network (so we can be certain all deps have been captured). Running once more with ^ and that oughta be that. I'll post the poast tomorrow so it doesn't sound like the tired pile of notebook scribblings it currently does.
23:16 asciilifeform trinque: sounds delish!
23:28 BingoBoingo Also, to put on the recruiting calendar... July 2020 Hans Reiser first becomes eligible for parole
23:32 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: eh i suspect they'll let ~him~ out ~after~ they let asciilifeform ( who aint even in yet ) out.
23:46 BingoBoingo Eh, all he is alleged to have done is housekeeping
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