#trilema | 2014-06-02

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00:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.21 BTC [-]
00:00	Mats_cd03	clojure is a vulnerable mess
00:00	Mats_cd03	cool features though
00:01	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16385 @ 0.0008762 = 14.3565 BTC [+]
00:01	nubbins`	so essentially it's like a chick with a bunch of piercings
00:02	Mats_cd03	like ym
00:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.21 BTC [-]
00:05	BingoBoingo	Looks like the BitBet propositions cue is filling up after hanbot's statement
00:12	BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all
00:12	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 640.0, vol: 22030.74759333 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 628.746, vol: 17125.44899 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 640.6, vol: 31036.24563128 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 642.0, vol: 40.68878697 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 645.123798, vol: 8361.91820000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 632.0, vol: 30.69610392 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 647.268873, vol: 128.12878104 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
00:12	BingoBoingo	;;more
00:12	gribble	638.34298799
00:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.20999 BTC [-]
00:14	BingoBoingo	!jd mpif
00:14	assbot	Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 167.05686104 BTC; -0.11497239 BTC (-0.0688%) since last check 13h 31m 22s ago.
00:22	thestringpuller	what's the overall ROI on jd mpif account?
00:24	BingoBoingo	I think they started with 150 BTC, but I'm not exactly sure.
00:25	BingoBoingo	I have a feeling mike_c already curses the existence of f.mpif
00:26	thestringpuller	wherefore?
00:26	BingoBoingo	Or maybe it's 160 they started with
00:26	BingoBoingo	http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/a-new-investment-fund/
00:26	assbot	A New Investment Fund - Btc Alpha
00:27	BingoBoingo	http://deadspin.com/blackhawks-twitter-account-tells-mexican-president-to-f-1584615115
00:27	assbot	Blackhawks Twitter Account Tells Mexican President To Fuck His Mother
00:29	thestringpuller	LOL
00:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19075 @ 0.00087578 = 16.7055 BTC [-] {3}
00:31	nubbins`	bingo lel
00:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.209999 BTC [+]
00:37	asciilifeform	re: truecrypt audit touching none of the interesting stuff: i thought this was well-known.
00:39	benkay	<Mats_cd03> clojure is a vulnerable mess // specifics?
00:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22408 @ 0.0008748 = 19.6025 BTC [-] {4}
00:40	asciilifeform	Mats_cd03, benkay: jvm.
00:43	thestringpuller	nubbins` i needs more arts
00:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00087985 = 20.7645 BTC [+] {3}
00:49	BingoBoingo	Headed to bed, but I'll just suppose now... Maybe the most important May Trilema http://trilema.com/2014/the-instrumentation-of-humanity/
00:50	assbot	The instrumentation of humanity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
01:00	benkay	Mats_cd03: got tunes?
01:02	nubbins`	oh hi
01:02	thestringpuller	;;google shadows childish gambino
01:02	gribble	Childish Gambino – II. shadows Lyrics \| Rap Genius: <http://rapgenius.com/Childish-gambino-ii-shadows-lyrics>; CHILDISH GAMBINO LYRICS - Shadows - A-Z Lyrics: <http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/childishgambino/shadows.html>; Childish Gambino - Shadows (Directed by : Lizzy Ashliegh) on Vimeo: <http://vimeo.com/83596978>
01:03	nubbins`	who was asking about shirts
01:03	nubbins`	http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx
01:03	assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer
01:03	nubbins`	can't figure out a way to get the channel name + freenode in there without making it look like something you bought at a convention
01:03	nubbins`	s/bought/were given
01:04	nubbins`	but it has a certain mystique as-is
01:04	thestringpuller	looks like bitcoin-assets is due for it's own icon?
01:04	thestringpuller	logo
01:04	thestringpuller	etc.
01:06	asciilifeform	re: conundrum from last night: i did find out who was the original maker of ferroresonant transformers - which the box that hummed under classical soviet tvs was copied from.
01:06	asciilifeform	outfit called 'SOLA.' still exists.
		↖
01:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48200 @ 0.00087438 = 42.1451 BTC [-] {5}
01:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.21 = 0.63 BTC [+]
01:15	asciilifeform	e.g. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sola-Constant-Voltage-Transformer-Harmonic-Neutralized-Ferroresonant-Conditioner-/281051274263?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item416ff61c17
01:15	assbot	Sola Constant Voltage Transformer Harmonic Neutralized Ferroresonant Conditioner \| eBay
01:17	nubbins`	thestringpuller http://imgur.com/pQbnKox
01:17	assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer
01:17	nubbins`	keep it simple
01:18	asciilifeform	apparently i should've asked 'audiophile' fanatics.
01:18	asciilifeform	they knew.
01:19	asciilifeform	;;later tell mircea_popescu this'd be the pill against your smoking hdd controllers, as i gather.
01:19	gribble	The operation succeeded.
01:19	kakobrekla	audiophiles will say such transformers are ewww
01:19	asciilifeform	kakobrekla: on account of the 'bzzzz' or other reason ?
01:20	kakobrekla	other
01:20	asciilifeform	curious then
01:20	asciilifeform	why?
01:20	kakobrekla	hrm ill try to find the link
01:23	nubbins`	;;sell 1 "Unofficial #bitcoin-assets t-shirt" @ 25 USD "Worldwide shipping included. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx"
01:23	assbot	imgur: the simple 404 page
01:23	gribble	Order id 20669 created.
01:25	nubbins`	can add PGP fingerprint to the back for an extra $5 if people want
01:25	kakobrekla	asciilifeform apparently they worry about capacitance
01:26	kakobrekla	asciilifeform if you want some snake oil video that presumably explains this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic1DnQ7Uoyw
01:26	assbot	Core Audio Technology: Audiophile Power Conditioners + Kenai - YouTube
01:35	kakobrekla	not saying this is legit, more saying you shouldnt listen to audiophiles whent it comes down to elect
01:35	asciilifeform	listened to it. screw audophiles. bought 'Sola EPC 210-60.'
01:36	nubbins`	pseudoscience abounds at the edge of science and consumerism
01:37	asciilifeform	30kg of ferroresonant pleasure.
01:37	kakobrekla	your needs are also different.
01:37	asciilifeform	just tired of snow crashing pc when neighbours turn on their electric chairs (or whatever it is they've got in basement)
01:38	kakobrekla	where dafuq do you live?
01:39	kakobrekla	plot twist, ascii is the gasenwagon driver.
01:39	asciilifeform	lol
01:39	asciilifeform	moves into a small house. previously in a flat, where no such problem.
01:39	asciilifeform	go figure.
01:40	kakobrekla	why do you dislike the ups?
01:40	asciilifeform	ups is relay-based. it does entirely nothing except if mains cuts out for 200 msec or so.
01:40	asciilifeform	i've one, like everybody else
01:40	kakobrekla	or if it drops a bit
01:41	kakobrekla	or if it goes over
01:41	asciilifeform	for 200msec.
01:41	asciilifeform	does nothing against little spikes
01:41	asciilifeform	for that you need a soviet-style massive 1:1 transformer
01:41	kakobrekla	200 cant be rigth
01:42	asciilifeform	sure it can. wondering why pc doesn't die in 200msec?
01:42	asciilifeform	massive capacitors in dc power supply.
01:42	kakobrekla	johnnyguru had a nice test of this
01:42	asciilifeform	?
01:42	kakobrekla	how long does it take for various psu to die
01:42	assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 567 @ 0.00211298 = 1.1981 BTC [+] {2}
01:42	kakobrekla	like half of them didnt live up to atx spec
01:42	asciilifeform	who surprised? not me.
01:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 62 @ 0.0235 = 1.457 BTC [-] {2}
01:46	kakobrekla	blah cant find the link
01:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.20148987 BTC [-]
01:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.20104256 BTC [-]
01:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.20104213 BTC [-]
01:55	kakobrekla	ok maybe it wasnt johnnguru
01:55	kakobrekla	http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2011/09/21/what-is-the-best-600w-psu/14
01:55	assbot	Efficiency and Hold-Up Time \| bit-tech.net
01:55	kakobrekla	>Recorded Hold-up time. ATX spec recommendation: 17ms
01:55	kakobrekla	see them go from 15 to 35
		~ 22 minutes ~
02:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00088113 = 1.586 BTC [+]
02:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.20134277 BTC [+]
02:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00088113 = 9.0756 BTC [+]
02:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00087835 = 10.8915 BTC [-] {2}
02:39	jurov	<mircea_popescu> [00:33:27] jurov, i see you +0.3 btc or so. << so i should value fmpif position at current offering sell price?
02:46	jurov	benkay: have you tried sqlalchemy? as soon as one needs to create query programmatically, it's much better than gluing together sql strings
02:46	benkay	sqlalchemy's just about makes it doable
02:47	benkay	saved me a lot of work recently with simple stuff that works-as-expected like lazily moving the cursor through huge tables integrated with list comprehension in python
02:48	benkay	sqlalchemy's like an orm-factory dsl
02:49	benkay	i guess i've just had really shitty experiences in picking up a lot of orm/database tangles
02:57	benkay	random_cat_: get together again on Tuesday? i'll stick around this time, i promise
02:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.02360001 = 0.2832 BTC [+]
03:01	xmj	yup
03:03	jurov	asciilifeform, you say there are no truly online ups on the market (where batteries are always connected to an inverter)?
03:06	jurov	nubbins`: does it have bitcoin-assets mention anywhere? but that's prolly up to me to explain heh
03:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00087886 = 11.1176 BTC [+] {2}
03:18	jurov	;;ticker
03:18	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 625.0, Best ask: 627.4, Bid-ask spread: 2.40000, Last trade: 627.79, 24 hour volume: 22979.84884463, 24 hour low: 613.03, 24 hour high: 683.26, 24 hour vwap: 645.011183151
03:18	jurov	;;bc,stats
03:18	gribble	Current Blocks: 303781 \| Current Difficulty: 1.0455720138484837E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 304415 \| Next Difficulty In: 634 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 14 hours, 27 minutes, and 16 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 11339302655.0 \| Estimated Percent Change: 8.45071
03:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.02999997 = 0.45 BTC [+] {3}
03:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13603 @ 0.00088115 = 11.9863 BTC [+] {2}
		~ 1 hours 2 minutes ~
04:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10124 @ 0.00087829 = 8.8918 BTC [-]
04:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00087829 = 14.3161 BTC [-]
04:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19250 @ 0.0008786 = 16.9131 BTC [+] {2}
04:58	fluffypony	LOL!
04:58	fluffypony	"Maybe Kumala could ask for usagi's help, I heard he's quite good with online wallets."
04:58	fluffypony	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=632487.msg7082550#msg7082550
04:59	assbot	WARNING: Crypto::stocks currently not allowing withdrawals
04:59	fluffypony	pure gold
05:01	jurov	gonna ask surda how he's going to write off the loss according to austrian accounting standards, if this gets full gox
05:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00087711 = 17.5422 BTC [-] {3}
05:10	fluffypony	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147
05:10	assbot	[ANN][CLAM] CLAMS > Proof-Of-Chain > @AGX.io
05:11	fluffypony	"1. Run clam-qt.exe once to auto-magically create the AppData/Clam folder.
05:11	fluffypony	2. Copy the BTC, LTC or DOGE wallet.dat file into the AppData/Clam folder.
05:11	fluffypony	3. Run clam-qt.exe with the --salvage wallet argument.
05:11	fluffypony	OPTIONAL: Enjoy your share of free CLAMS"
05:11	fluffypony	so basically, hand your privkeys over, and we promise we'll give you CLAMS
05:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 380 @ 0.0761436 = 28.9346 BTC [-] {24}
05:21	fluffypony	nubbins`: t-shirts look good, why not put "#bitcoin-assets // freenode" on the back?
05:22	xmj	make it american apparel, they have good shirts
05:22	fluffypony	has anyone played around with hamsterdb as an embedded keyvalue store?
05:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3632 @ 0.00087656 = 3.1837 BTC [-]
05:33	mircea_popescu	!up ET__
05:37	ET__	hello
05:38	ET__	thanks for voicing me
05:38	Naphex	regarding truecrypt shutdown, most of the posts regarding it have the same comments, in slightly different writeing spanned across most top posts :o
05:39	mircea_popescu	sure.
05:39	mircea_popescu	Naphex, you noticed that too huh ?
05:39	Naphex	yep
05:39	mircea_popescu	usg contractors are getting shittier each year.
05:39	mircea_popescu	pretty soon it'll be like soviet government official soap.
05:40	mircea_popescu	people use it as an abrasive.
05:40	Naphex	heh
05:40	Naphex	looks like the same systems the use for elections
05:40	mircea_popescu	yup
05:41	mircea_popescu	which is exactly why it's so multistupid : not only it fails for its intended purpose,
05:41	mircea_popescu	but it allows cheap diagnosis of the means available for a critical process.
05:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 544 @ 0.00048879 = 0.2659 BTC [+] {3}
05:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00087671 = 8.3287 BTC [+]
05:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2289618 = 0.4579 BTC [+] {2}
05:54	mircea_popescu	;;later tell decimation well, the DC part of argentina's "washington dc" is roughly the size of france. it's a huge country. as such, it's upper germania, illyricum, syria, v
05:54	gribble	The operation succeeded.
05:55	mircea_popescu	nubbins`: so essentially it's like a chick with a bunch of piercings << dude that\s tje best description of clojure i ever heard, and you don't even code.
05:56	xmj	LOL
05:56	mircea_popescu	not for lack of trying, either.
05:56	xmj	amazing.
05:56	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
05:56	*	xmj highfives assbot
05:56	mircea_popescu	the curse of neckbeards, to be so fucking incapable of expression that it's upon the innocent bystanders to describe their situation, hopes and aspirations, spiritual being.
05:57	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: I think they started with 150 BTC, but I'm not exactly sure. << started with 50 then got another 113.change
06:05	assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 304 @ 0.00214648 = 0.6525 BTC [+]
06:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.22899966 = 1.374 BTC [+] {2}
06:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.229 = 1.374 BTC [+]
06:11	mircea_popescu	nubbins`:
06:11	mircea_popescu	;;sell 1 "Unofficial #bitcoin-assets t-shirt" @ 25 USD "Worldwide shipping included. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx << you can make it official, what. :D
06:11	assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer
06:11	gribble	Error: No closing quotation
06:16	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla: plot twist, ascii is the gasenwagon driver. << wait i thought ascii was mpoe-pr
06:18	mircea_popescu	jurov:<mircea_popescu> [00:33:27] jurov, i see you +0.3 btc or so. << so i should value fmpif position at current offering sell price? << i've used the 30day average. seems reasonable valuation for a held security, but it's not mandatory, you can value whichever way you think reasonable.
06:19	mircea_popescu	this being the advantage of having multiple minds involved, for the public, and this is what a liberal profession is : you get to make calls.
06:20	jurov	yes, 30d is reasonable. only had some idea, that maybe we need somthing more stable
06:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 35 @ 0.02992857 = 1.0475 BTC [-] {3}
06:20	jurov	since mpif holding itself...
06:21	jurov	will fix the stmt
06:21	mircea_popescu	well you can use the nav too, just, obviously three weeks in the 3 week old nav is kinda off.
06:21	jurov	ic
06:21	mircea_popescu	!jd mpif
06:21	assbot	Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 167.00174924 BTC; -0.05511180 BTC (-0.0330%) since last check 6h 7m 35s ago.
06:21	jurov	!t m f.mpif
06:21	assbot	[MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00021726 / 0.00021726 / 0.00021726 (9529 shares, 2.07 BTC), 30D: 0.0002155 / 0.00021724 / 0.00021726 (120653 shares, 26.21 BTC)
06:22	jurov	0.00021724 is it then
06:22	mircea_popescu	jurov:
06:22	mircea_popescu	gonna ask surda how he's going to write off the loss according to austrian accounting standards, if this gets full gox <<< keep me posted lol
06:23	mircea_popescu	"I almost listed something on Cryptostocks, but think I will wait and reassess before I do. What we need as a community is to not accept these low standards of service. "
06:24	mircea_popescu	translation : "everyone else should put some work into making sure i don';t need to put any work or thought into doing anything i feel like doingt"
06:24	mircea_popescu	you can spot a us citizen a mile away by the way their brain stinks.
06:24	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17176 @ 0.00087777 = 15.0766 BTC [+] {3}
06:25	fluffypony	lol
06:26	fluffypony	speaking of "community", I had a charming conversation with my wife yesterday during the 4000 BTC dump
06:26	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla, http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ << doi the graphs stop like a week ago ?
06:26	assbot	#bitcoin-assets stats
06:26	mircea_popescu	;;ticker
06:26	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 633.84, Best ask: 634.82, Bid-ask spread: 0.98000, Last trade: 634.81, 24 hour volume: 23570.14428586, 24 hour low: 613.03, 24 hour high: 683.26, 24 hour vwap: 644.972670427
06:26	fluffypony	she: "why doesn't someone just make a post and say that nobody must sell Bitcoin under $700, and then it will go up over $700?"
06:26	mircea_popescu	dump that did nothing, incidentally.
06:26	mircea_popescu	fluffypony, lol didja link her to mine ?
06:26	fluffypony	which one?
06:27	mircea_popescu	;;google trilema bitcoin not worth 100 stop buying
06:27	gribble	People! Bitcoin is not worth 100+ dollars per. STOP BUYING! - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/people-bitcoin-is-not-worth-100-dollars-per-stop-buying>; MPOE, March 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/mpoe-march-2013-statement>; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>
06:28	fluffypony	nice, sending that to her now
06:28	mircea_popescu	;;google trilema in which noobs learn lessons
06:28	gribble	In which noobs learn lessons and pay for the privilege pe Trilema ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-noobs-learn-lessons-and-pay-for-the-privilege/>; The EVE online noob guide. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/the-eve-online-noob-guide>; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>
06:28	mircea_popescu	send her that, too.
06:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00087841 = 10.7166 BTC [+]
06:32	jurov	http://explo.yt/post/2014/06/01/F.MPIF-May-2014-marketmaker-statement updated, should be final
06:32	assbot	F.MPIF May 2014 marketmaker statement - serialized delusions
06:33	fluffypony	I love how the title ends with "serialized delusions"
06:34	fluffypony	makes for much confidence :-P
06:34	mircea_popescu	serialized title.
06:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00087671 = 7.7589 BTC [-]
06:45	jurov	i can always switch it to "The First And Only Exclusive Coolness" shit
06:49	mircea_popescu	biggest.
06:50	mircea_popescu	don't forget biggest, somehow this matters.
06:50	nubbins`	jurov, fluffypony: could have optional "#bitcoin-assets / freenode" etc on the back. i'll skip it for mine :D
06:50	fluffypony	and best, please
06:50	mircea_popescu	i have no idea why exactly, as mike_c aptly pointed out size and especiallyu outsize is the worst enemy of good financials,
06:50	mircea_popescu	but somehow the kids that dream themselves ceos really like BIGGEST
06:50	fluffypony	ok nubbins` better idea - how about on the back you put "First. Biggest. Only. Best. Exclusive."
06:51	mircea_popescu	or for that mannter Firnly. Biggsive. Onest. Best. Exclusest.
06:51	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: best description of a vulnerable mess with cool features you ever heard, too. this is because i both used to be into chicks with bunches of piercings, and also write code
06:52	mircea_popescu	o, in your youth like ?
06:52	nubbins`	hey now, i'm only 32 ;(
06:53	nubbins`	;;view
06:53	gribble	#20669 Mon Jun 2 01:22:41 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 Unofficial #bitcoin-assets t-shirt @ 25 USD (Worldwide shipping included. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx)
06:53	nubbins`	;;remove 20669
06:53	gribble	Order 20669 removed.
06:54	nubbins`	;;sell 1 "OFFICIAL #bitcoin-assets t-shirt" @ 25 USD "Worldwide shipping included. Optional '#bitcoin-assets / freenode' text on back. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx"
06:54	assbot	imgur: the simple 404 page
06:54	gribble	Order id 20670 created.
06:54	*	nubbins` dusts hands
06:55	nubbins`	;;calc 25/[ticker --last]
06:55	gribble	0.0394004822619
06:55	nubbins`	a bargain at twice the price
06:55	mircea_popescu	4 bitcents a shirt?
06:56	nubbins`	i know, right?
06:56	fluffypony	ok nubbins`
06:56	mircea_popescu	it's almost like we're back in victoria's time
06:56	fluffypony	I'll take 6 - 4 for me, 2 for the wife. how do I order?
06:56	nubbins`	this time last year, i was selling friedcat shirts for ~0.14 btc
06:56	mircea_popescu	;;later tell moiety hey would you like a shirt ?
06:56	gribble	The operation succeeded.
06:58	nubbins`	6! let me get you a shipping discount
07:01	nubbins`	;;calc 130/[ticker --last]
07:01	gribble	0.20643767964
07:01	nubbins`	fluffypony: ^ to 1TDaWh3MDibweoNaEjAAT8YHG3QmoBXqG
07:02	fluffypony	7cfc61ea75971566fda5a86626581b3dfd47d10aeb87bfff043b22c385b54d6c
07:02	fluffypony	let me pm you sizes and address
07:02	nubbins`	tyvm, please do
07:04	xmj	does anyone in the SEPA zone want to accept fiat and ship me a shirt to estonia?
07:05	mircea_popescu	;;later tell moiety also, do you want to ship some shirts to people ?
07:05	gribble	The operation succeeded.
07:06	xmj	Thank you
07:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1500 @ 0.00010992 = 0.1649 BTC [+] {2}
07:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.029999 = 0.12 BTC [+]
07:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27100 @ 0.00087591 = 23.7372 BTC [-] {3}
07:30	nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/yield-to-the-moose-wildlife-expert-urges-1.2661131
07:30	assbot	'Yield to the moose,' wildlife expert urges - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
07:31	mircea_popescu	women only or both genders ?
07:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24766 @ 0.00087484 = 21.6663 BTC [-]
07:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9084 @ 0.00087436 = 7.9427 BTC [-]
07:35	nubbins`	generally both genders
07:35	nubbins`	even the strength of a man is no match for the mighty moose!
07:35	nubbins`	;D
07:49	penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-may-2014-statement/
07:57	nubbins`	so i found a copy of the first canadian pressing of bob dylan's first album
07:57	nubbins`	and the stickers are on the wrong sides of the record :0
07:57	nubbins`	http://i.imgur.com/LCtD4vJ.jpg
07:57	danielpbarron	<+nubbins`> jurov, fluffypony: could have optional "#bitcoin-assets / freenode" etc on the back. i'll skip it for mine :D << i'd like one too if it has #bitcoin-assets on it somewhere
07:57	nubbins`	compare matrix stamp XSM-55621 (side 1) vs label text XSM-55622 (side 2)
07:58	nubbins`	danielpbarron: no sweat, i'm doing the same for fluffypony
07:59	nubbins`	;;calc 25/[ticker --last]
07:59	gribble	0.0396831695741
07:59	nubbins`	^ to 1TDaWh3MDibweoNaEjAAT8YHG3QmoBXqG
07:59	danielpbarron	gonna have to get back to you on payment; didn't realize it was that ready to go
08:01	nubbins`	heh. well i'm not printing them today or anything
08:02	nubbins`	i'll probably do up the screens in the next day or so, and keep 'em around for a week or two
08:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1050 @ 0.00087436 = 0.9181 BTC [-]
08:18	asciilifeform	;;later tell jurov: online (inverter always running) ups exists.
08:18	gribble	The operation succeeded.
08:18	asciilifeform	;;later tell jurov: $10k or so.
08:18	gribble	The operation succeeded.
08:19	asciilifeform	truecrypt... ...same comments, ... top posts << this is SOP
08:21	Mats_cd03	benkay: http://www.lispcast.com/clojure-web-security
08:21	assbot	Clojure Web Security \| LispCast
08:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0838899 = 0.4194 BTC [+]
08:27	Mats_cd03	https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/clojure/qUk-bM0JSGc
08:27	assbot	Google Groups
08:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00087521 = 21.1801 BTC [+] {3}
08:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10589 @ 0.00087747 = 9.2915 BTC [+]
08:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10973 @ 0.00087412 = 9.5917 BTC [-] {3}
08:36	asciilifeform	http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/lewis-katz-media-and-sports-mogul-dead-in-massachusetts-fireball-plane-crash-1.2661059
08:36	assbot	Lewis Katz, media and sports mogul, dead in Massachusetts 'fireball' plane crash - World - CBC News
08:36	asciilifeform	^ 'can also have problems'
08:43	artifexd	nubbins`: Address and amount for 2 t-shirts please. No #bitcoin-assets on the back. 1 XL. 1 S.
08:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00239643 = 0.1438 BTC [-]
08:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15942 @ 0.00087366 = 13.9279 BTC [-]
08:45	nubbins`	;;calc 45/[ticker --last]
08:45	gribble	0.0714285714286
08:45	nubbins`	^ to 1TDaWh3MDibweoNaEjAAT8YHG3QmoBXqG
08:47	artifexd	I rounded up to 0.07142858. Will PM you the physical address.
08:47	nubbins`	tyvm!
08:50	artifexd	Sent: http://blockr.io/tx/info/97dd81417ddc33ca8bd6ba8d6b3cce0faf8ca45deaf98e53cd03e020a496ac2c
08:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00087562 = 6.9174 BTC [+]
08:52	mircea_popescu	!up newar
08:53	mircea_popescu	wait, what ?!
08:53	mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot newar
08:53	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask Newar!~Newar@27-142-145-94.rev.home.ne.jp. Trust relationship from user assbot to user newar: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=newar \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=newar \| Rated since: Mon Jun 4 19:36:39 2012
08:53	nubbins`	!down Newar
08:53	nubbins`	;(
08:53	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla, didja break assbot ?!
08:53	nubbins`	WHAT HAVE YOU DONE
08:54	fluffypony	http://www.bornrich.com/lunch-date-ben-bernanke-70500.html
08:54	assbot	A Lunch Date with Ben Bernanke for $70,500 \| Bornrich
08:55	pankkake	can I give him bills I printed myself?
08:58	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00087782 = 10.1388 BTC [+] {2}
09:01	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00087792 = 9.7449 BTC [+]
09:02	Apocalyptic	you can try giving him some bernancoins
09:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.029999 = 0.12 BTC [+]
09:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10713 @ 0.00087675 = 9.3926 BTC [-]
09:11	nubbins`	imagine paying seventy thousand dollars to sit with a man for an hour
09:11	fluffypony	yeah
09:11	fluffypony	when you can just come here and spend time with me for free
09:11	fluffypony	I mean come on
09:11	fluffypony	:-P
09:11	nubbins`	nod
09:11	nubbins`	for those who like the deluxe, you can spend time with me for 1btc/hour
09:12	nubbins`	limited time only, one per customer per day
09:13	fluffypony	hah hah
09:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00087845 = 13.0011 BTC [+] {3}
09:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.081 = 0.162 BTC [-] {2}
09:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0280001 = 0.112 BTC [-] {2}
09:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15610 @ 0.00087507 = 13.6598 BTC [-] {3}
09:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4097 @ 0.00087906 = 3.6015 BTC [+]
09:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07700011 = 0.154 BTC [-] {2}
09:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 166 @ 0.00194697 = 0.3232 BTC [-] {6}
09:54	ThickAsThieves	Mornin'
09:54	fluffypony	ThickAsThieves
09:54	fluffypony	did you receive 800 BTC by accident?
09:54	fluffypony	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/273vi2/if_you_just_received_800_bitcoin_out_of_the_blue/
09:54	assbot	If you just received 800 Bitcoin out of the blue, it was from me : Bitcoin
09:55	ThickAsThieves	lol
09:55	asciilifeform	'the sapper errs once.'
09:55	pankkake	"Mystery solved: this is a MtGox address. You sent 300 to it one year ago
09:55	fluffypony	"Mystery solved: this is a MtGox address. You sent 300 to it one year ago
09:55	fluffypony	ae1332a4-f3c0-4805-89d4-396387e7a96e,8c71169c-c0b2-46a8-97c8-8940cf2bb89a,"2013-04-16 18:37:04",deposit,300
09:55	fluffypony	So. I guess my goxcoins just became 800/202000 = 0.4% more worth. Thanks buddy."
09:56	pankkake	that happened to me with another fail-exchange, an european one I forgot the name of
09:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15903 @ 0.00087933 = 13.984 BTC [+]
09:56	pankkake	but I eventually got it back
09:56	nubbins`	2010s, the decade of the paste-fail
09:56	pankkake	that's what made me change clients
09:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 82 @ 0.07552442 = 6.193 BTC [-] {7}
09:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.229 = 0.687 BTC [+]
10:00	jurov	asciilifeform here they say typical ransfer time 4ms and that's just cheapest 60euro turd: http://eu.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups_systems/value/value1000eilcd.htm
10:00	assbot	UPS Backup \| Power Supply \| Emergency Power Systems CyberPower Systems, Inc.
10:01	jurov	online units for servers are just few hundred euros
10:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07431927 = 1.1891 BTC [-] {4}
10:01	jurov	i'm curious where did you get the 200ms figure from
10:03	jurov	my flat seems to be wired directly to elevator, psu did survive the surges, but lcd flickered
10:03	jurov	even cheapo ups solved that completely
10:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.229 BTC [+]
10:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.24265837 = 3.8825 BTC [+] {5}
10:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.24259337 = 1.213 BTC [-] {3}
10:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.245691 = 2.9483 BTC [+] {3}
10:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2469 = 1.2345 BTC [+]
10:15	mircea_popescu	<nubbins`> imagine paying seventy thousand dollars to sit with a man for an hour << i can see that. what i can';t see is... bernanke ? srsly ?
10:16	jurov	what was the assassination market bounty? isn't cheaper to kill him?
10:16	mike_c	heh. I tried to verify the fund's balances :) http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2014#691453
10:16	assbot	#bitcoin-assets log
10:17	mircea_popescu	mike_c, still dones't wash ?
10:18	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/this-is-me-being-completely-spaced-out/#comment-100653 << check out my fangirl.
10:18	assbot	This is me being completely spaced out pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
10:18	mike_c	i haven't tried again since new report, still catching up
10:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00087679 = 3.2003 BTC [-] {2}
10:21	nubbins`	mircea_popescu, not sure if Ellie Kesselman or ELIZA Kesselman
10:27	nubbins`	http://www.businessinsider.com/hunter-s-thompson-on-finding-meaning-2014-5
10:27	assbot	Hunter S. Thompson On Finding Meaning - Business Insider
10:28	nubbins`	maybe the most lucid article BI has published thus far
10:29	mike_c	a straight republishing of someone else's work. that's one way to improve their site.
10:30	mircea_popescu	i thought its eliza
10:32	mike_c	of course, BI managed to make it worse by adding their own emphasis to things.
10:33	mike_c	like hunter s. thompson needs fucking BI to improve his writing.
10:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00087324 = 12.138 BTC [-] {2}
10:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00087317 = 14.4946 BTC [-] {2}
10:45	nubbins`	i know right
10:45	nubbins`	"this letter could use some editorial emphasis"
10:45	jurov	!up belcher
10:45	jurov	!up lolstate
10:46	jurov	!up daybyter
10:46	jurov	!up lnostdal
10:46	daybyter	thanks!
10:46	jurov	daybyter it's only for 30mins
10:47	daybyter	I know... :-(
10:47	jurov	Sabastan, nope. stop going in and out
10:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 9 @ 0.05805537 = 0.5225 BTC [+] {4}
10:53	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.00087553 = 12.2136 BTC [+]
10:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00087242 = 22.0722 BTC [-] {2}
11:06	Naphex	so tired of coding lately, damn you burnout syndrome!
11:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.0008716 = 11.7666 BTC [-] {3}
11:09	*	jurov shots a knowing glance to Naphex
11:16	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9292 @ 0.00087157 = 8.0986 BTC [-]
		~ 15 minutes ~
11:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.21313505 = 1.2788 BTC [-] {4}
11:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.00087553 = 5.297 BTC [+]
11:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.21625548 BTC [+]
11:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.21625758 = 0.4325 BTC [+]
11:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.21625758 BTC [+]
11:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2162576 BTC [+]
11:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 83 @ 0.00374214 = 0.3106 BTC [+] {4}
11:40	mike_c	^ ouch.
11:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.21625791 BTC [+]
11:41	mike_c	;;calc (0.0055 - 0.00374) / 0.0055
11:41	gribble	0.32
11:41	mike_c	;;calc (0.0075 - 0.00374) / 0.0075
11:41	gribble	0.501333333333
11:41	mike_c	32% loss for ipo investors, 50% for 2po.
11:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.21625791 BTC [+]
11:42	pankkake	had to remember I ignore havelock trades
11:42	pankkake	it looked like you were talking about MPOE
11:42	pankkake	that's why ignores are not practical on IRC :(
11:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.004 = 0.16 BTC [+]
11:43	mike_c	heh. how can you ignore havelol? it's more fun than the forums.
11:43	pankkake	too much noise
11:45	mike_c	;;seen the20year
11:45	gribble	the20year was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 4 days, 23 hours, 15 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <the20year> Corn oil sells locally for $3.25/gal
11:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.21625791 BTC [+]
11:46	pankkake	is it down in USD terms?
11:46	pankkake	because it's clear it was never a btc investment
11:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [MS] 158 @ 0.001352 = 0.2136 BTC [+] {2}
11:48	mike_c	!t h rent
11:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00320000 / 0.00369319 / 0.00450000 (227 shares, 0.83835347 BTC), 7D: 0.00280000 / 0.00412473 / 0.00546990 (1556 shares, 6.41807687 BTC), 30D: 0.00280000 / 0.005765 / 0.00710000 (7225 shares, 41.65208891 BTC)
11:48	moiety	hullo!
11:48	fluffypony	OLA
11:49	fluffypony	how goeth the phone line?
11:49	moiety	very quiet but i have been back and forth this past couple days fluffypony got my keys yesterday so been taking cars of things through
11:49	fluffypony	ah ok
11:49	fluffypony	for the sexperiment
11:49	fluffypony	sorry - sex weeks show
11:50	moiety	;;later tell mircea_popescu tshirts?
11:50	gribble	The operation succeeded.
11:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.20600007 = 1.236 BTC [-] {3}
11:50	moiety	fluffypony: lol yup. i'm a bit scared. it's a lot bigger than i remember it.
11:50	mike_c	pankkake: ipo USD/share: $0.33, 2po: $0.345, current: $0.227
11:50	moiety	how is everyone here?
11:51	pankkake	well, ouch
11:51	pankkake	;;view #20670
11:51	gribble	Error: No orders found matching these criteria.
11:51	pankkake	;;view 20670
11:51	gribble	#20670 Mon Jun 2 06:54:03 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 OFFICIAL #bitcoin-assets t-shirt @ 25 USD (Worldwide shipping included. Optional '#bitcoin-assets / freenode' text on back. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx)
11:51	Apocalyptic	mike_c, $0.227 is 50% of $0.345 ?
11:52	pankkake	he was talking btc wise
11:53	Apocalyptic	oh I see
11:55	danielpbarron	if payment is expected in BTC, it might make more sense to put the "otherthing" quantity in as "25/{bitstampask}"
11:56	nubbins`	can i do that
11:56	danielpbarron	ya
11:56	nubbins`	;;sell 1 widget @ 25/{bitstampask} BTC "testing"
11:56	gribble	Order id 20671 created.
11:56	nubbins`	;;view 20671
11:56	gribble	#20671 Mon Jun 2 11:56:00 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 widget @ 0.03981 BTC (testing)
11:56	nubbins`	huh.
11:56	danielpbarron	:)
11:56	nubbins`	;;remove 20761
11:56	gribble	Error: No orders found to remove. Try the 'view' command to view your open orders.
11:56	nubbins`	;;remove 20671
11:56	gribble	Order 20671 removed.
11:57	nubbins`	;;remove 20670
11:57	gribble	Order 20670 removed.
11:57	nubbins`	;;sell 1.0 OFFICIAL #bitcoin-assets t-shirt @ 25/{bitstampask} BTC "Worldwide shipping included. Optional '#bitcoin-assets / freenode' text on back. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx"
11:57	assbot	imgur: the simple 404 page
11:57	gribble	Error: '#bitcoin-assets' is not a valid price input.
11:57	nubbins`	;;sell 1.0 "OFFICIAL #bitcoin-assets t-shirt" @ 25/{bitstampask} BTC "Worldwide shipping included. Optional '#bitcoin-assets / freenode' text on back. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx"
		↖
11:57	assbot	imgur: the simple 404 page
11:57	gribble	Order id 20672 created.
11:57	nubbins`	;;view 20672
11:57	gribble	#20672 Mon Jun 2 11:57:18 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 OFFICIAL #bitcoin-assets t-shirt @ 0.03981 BTC (Worldwide shipping included. Optional '#bitcoin-assets / freenode' text on back. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx)
11:57	*	nubbins` dusts hands
11:57	nubbins`	thanks for the tip!
12:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.19831909 BTC to 9`141 shares, 24049 satoshi per share
12:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 40 @ 0.02438999 = 0.9756 BTC [+]
12:07	asciilifeform	jurov: the 200ms figure was taken from actual measurement of an ancient ups i owned several years ago. i can easily believe 4ms with solid-state relays, in modern unit. still does nothing against small transients.
12:08	asciilifeform	jurov: 'online' ups was costly last i priced it (for 1kW+. the tiny things are worthless in my setup) and rather inefficient (~60%)
12:08	asciilifeform	jurov: plus, ferroresonant monster gets 25+ years of lifetime, vs. the laughable 3 or 4 modern semiconductor-based ups is good for.
12:09	jurov	no issue with that :)
12:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07997213 = 0.1599 BTC [+]
12:12	nubbins`	so pascale had this dream last night where she decided that she'd like to get a large dick sewn onto our female cat
12:13	nubbins`	had a consultation with the vet, chose a nice model
12:13	nubbins`	then later telephoned the vet to discuss the particulars
12:13	nubbins`	vet says "je préfère parler en français au téléphone"
12:14	nubbins`	p responds "ah, d'accord" and continues discussion
12:14	nubbins`	strange woman
12:14	fluffypony	lol
12:16	asciilifeform	nubbins`: obligatory: http://everything2.com/title/I+knew+I+couldn%2527t+build+a+cat
12:16	assbot	I knew I couldn't build a cat - Everything2.com
12:19	nubbins`	heh
12:21	nubbins`	"Today Apple makes an OS announcement --- I say we flood social media & news with questions about why they are anti-tech & anti Bitcoin"
12:22	nubbins`	palm, meet face
12:22	nubbins`	consider that as far as feature implementation goes, apple is relatively conservative
12:26	nubbins`	they'll allow bitcoin apps if/when the point is reached where idiots can use it without saying "???"
12:26	mod6	lol
12:26	mod6	oops
12:27	jurov	!up Sebastan
12:27	fluffypony	nubbins`: yeah, I think they may also want to avoid the issue they've had with kids spending thousands on in-app purchases
12:27	jurov	!up jordandotdev
12:27	fluffypony	can you imagine - someone will be like "someone broke into my phone with my pin code and stole my bitcoin, I'm going to sue apple"
12:28	jurov	!up kermit
12:28	jurov	!up ericmuyser
12:28	jurov	!up darlidada
12:28	jurov	!up diatnic
12:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.23232937 = 1.1616 BTC [+] {3}
12:28	jurov	!up diatonic
12:29	nubbins`	yep
12:30	nubbins`	well, they sorta fixed that around the time the smurfs game came out
12:30	nubbins`	"mom, can i download?" "ok" (mom enters password) HEY KIDS BUY SOME SMURF BERRIES (no password required because mom just authed)
12:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 22 @ 0.02350054 = 0.517 BTC [-] {3}
12:31	nubbins`	but "apple isn't ready for bitcoin" isn't how apple sees it
12:31	nubbins`	they see it as "bitcoin isn't ready for apple"
12:31	fluffypony	yep
12:32	fluffypony	I'm sure that at some point in the future they'll let you fund your iTunes account with Bitcoin
12:32	fluffypony	and PayPal will let you fund your PayPal account with Bitcoin
12:32	fluffypony	but atm I'm not convinced either party particularly cares about all the ranting on /r/bitcoin
12:33	nubbins`	nobody cares about that
12:33	nubbins`	"hey guise i'm the first hand-blown glass satanist dildo shop in the WORLD to accept bitcoin!"
12:36	kakobrekla	hi
12:36	kakobrekla	i broke assbot?
12:37	fluffypony	lol nubbins`
12:37	kakobrekla	possibly, i uninstalled half of the server by mistake.
12:37	fluffypony	also if I see another post that is by an American about how Africa is ready for Bitcoin I'm going to stab them in the face
12:39	nubbins`	africa unite!
12:39	nubbins`	they say that something like 90% of africans own an iphone
12:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00087671 = 6.1808 BTC [+]
12:40	fluffypony	yes, and the other 10% own an Android device
12:40	nubbins`	yep
12:40	fluffypony	plus bandwidth is free
12:40	nubbins`	nod
12:40	fluffypony	and all 3G
12:40	fluffypony	so it's ideal for Bitcoin
12:40	nubbins`	yeah, it's not just voice + sms
12:43	fluffypony	yeah
12:44	fluffypony	plus everyone is so familiar with mobile apps that it just makes sense
12:44	fluffypony	nobody uses cash here anyway
12:44	nubbins`	nah
12:44	nubbins`	here's a man in accra, paying cab fare with btc
12:44	nubbins`	http://imgur.com/ePGlnBp
12:44	assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer
12:44	nubbins`	he's using his phone's voice recognition capabilities to make the transaction
12:47	punkman	http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/inside-the-shadowy-world-of-high-speed-tennis-betting/
12:47	assbot	Inside the Shadowy World of High-Speed Tennis Betting \| FiveThirtyEight
12:50	fluffypony	nubbins`: ah yes, "siri, pay the cab driver 0.005 BTC"
12:50	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00087753 = 9.7406 BTC [+] {3}
12:51	nubbins`	"certainly, daniel! shall i use the bitstamp BTC/GHS rate?"
12:51	fluffypony	HAH HAH
12:53	*	jurov is waiting for the eventual <fluffypony> HAR HAR
12:53	fluffypony	:)
12:54	fluffypony	yay WWDC time, I'm hoping for a Macbook Pro Retina that is the size of a Macbook Air and has 20 hour battery life
12:54	fluffypony	that will make me happy
12:57	jurov	and power density of TNT
13:00	pankkake	exploding macbooks, now that's something I'd like
13:01	Apocalyptic	pankkake, to give them ad gifts ?
13:01	Apocalyptic	*as
13:01	jurov	to bitcoin fundnation
13:01	pankkake	or as a way to reduce the hipster population
13:01	fluffypony	lol
13:05	jurov	!up tris
13:11	benkay	<Mats_cd03> benkay: http://www.lispcast.com/clojure-web-security // i read that quite a while ago. a few kinda boil down to 'don't be retarded'.
13:11	assbot	Clojure Web Security \| LispCast
13:12	benkay	other major points are "don't allow users to see each others data!"
13:12	benkay	which i guess some people don't think about?
13:13	Mats_cd03	the frameworks don't look ready for production
13:13	benkay	dunno about frameworks man
13:13	Mats_cd03	jvm issues aside
13:13	pankkake	it doesn't seem especially related to clojure
13:13	benkay	big old .45 that always wants to point at your foot
13:14	benkay	jvm issues are unless i miss my read (which is possible and do correct me plz) along the lines of 'don't let people have access to your box and don't run java as a consumer'
13:14	xmj	speaking about frameworks
13:14	xmj	anyone here ever worked with haskell webframeworks?
13:15	kakobrekla	i hate frameworks so much i made my own.
13:15	kakobrekla	not with haskell though.
13:15	pankkake	lol, I always have a bad feeling of "own frameworks"
13:16	kakobrekla	bitbet uses it
13:16	pankkake	many companies say that, when the reality is that their code is YOLO style
13:16	benkay	YOYO
13:16	kakobrekla	yeah prolly
13:16	benkay	you only YOYO once
13:17	pankkake	I haven't tried haskell at all but it's definitively on my list of things to try out - perhaps the only one actually
13:17	benkay	i want types
13:17	benkay	is it a satoshi? is it a btc? WHO KNOWS
13:17	pankkake	many frameworks are more of a hassle to use than nothing, for sure
13:17	xmj	right after learning C.
13:17	mike_c	kakobrekla: what is bitbet written in?
13:17	Apocalyptic	PHP obv
13:17	kakobrekla	mhm
13:18	Naphex	ZF for php was more then decent
13:18	kakobrekla	anyway the fw that i made was first tested on smpake.com service and was made with btc in mind
13:19	kakobrekla	later on it was also used on bb.
13:19	mike_c	well, it was good enough for mtgox i guess.
13:20	kakobrekla	whats mpex written in? same.
13:21	Naphex	mike_c: i doubt ZF had anything to do with mtgox vulns
13:21	Naphex	but that custom php wallet software, jesus :]
13:21	kakobrekla	but right now im trying to implement some panacea models in newlisp
13:22	mike_c	Naphex: mtgox would have managed to suck in any language. i just feel bad for good programmers who somehow have ended up using php. probably the same as asciilifeform feels for all of us that don't use lisp.
13:23	Naphex	c'mon now lisp aint that cool
13:23	assbot	Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/19ZP4TB.txt )
13:23	benkay	!b 1
13:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00087967 = 11.1718 BTC [+] {2}
13:23	kakobrekla	Naphex> c'mon now lisp aint that cool < php dev said to python dev!?
13:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0236 = 0.2124 BTC [+] {4}
13:24	mike_c	i'm starting to think it might be that cool. it's on my list to learn when i have a spare minute.. so who knows when.
13:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0237 = 0.1422 BTC [+]
13:26	benkay	it's just that cool.
13:27	Naphex	my huge problem with lisp its readability
13:27	benkay	i wrote a function last night that runs a job, every now and again
13:27	benkay	the signature looks like (process-deposits every-ten-minutes)
13:28	jurov	and the body is (if (leap year) give bonus)
13:28	mike_c	i used to agree about the readability, but i have recently seen some elegant looking lisp programs. and i used to think python was unreadable. so who knows.
13:28	Naphex	i don't doubt they exist
13:28	kakobrekla	jurov :D
13:29	Naphex	but picturing a 8-man dev team working on a project in lisp
13:29	Naphex	for lets say 3 years, enough that every programmer there is bored shitless
13:29	asciilifeform	mike_c: lisp (of whatever variety) without emacs (or quite similar auto-indenting editor) is unthinkable.
13:29	mike_c	i have heard you say that (and filed it away for my future research)
13:30	asciilifeform	mike_c: http://common-lisp.net/project/slime
13:30	assbot	SLIME: The Superior Lisp Interaction Mode for Emacs
13:30	benkay	its p true
13:31	Apocalyptic	since we're discussing functionnal languages what are you thoughts on Caml asciilifeform ?
13:31	asciilifeform	Apocalyptic: did some ocaml ages ago. not my cup of tea.
13:32	asciilifeform	mike_c: it wouldn't be too far off the mark to say that i like common lisp because 'slime' is possible for it, rather than vice-versa.
13:32	pankkake	%diff
13:32	atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 178842.38 Est. Next Diff: 482603.27 in 1781 blocks (#34272) Est. % Change: 169.85
13:33	mike_c	i will certainly give it a try.
13:33	asciilifeform	Naphex: the readability and 'omg 111 parentheses' problems go away when you use an adult editor.
13:33	asciilifeform	e.g, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=295
13:33	assbot	Loper OS » Parentheses-Phobia Illustrated.
13:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00087644 = 9.5532 BTC [-] {2}
13:35	mike_c	;;calc 482603*7000000
13:35	gribble	3378221000000
13:35	Naphex	asciilifeform: its deffinetly better:D
13:35	mike_c	back to 3.4 th/s. must be pool-hoppers on atc.
13:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 100 @ 0.02438999 = 2.439 BTC [-]
13:38	Naphex	anyway all languages are just tools, use what fits best with you/your team, your hardware etc
13:38	Naphex	but just for lulz, i once saw a embeddec computer for public transportation, written in php :)
13:39	Naphex	so don't do that :)
13:40	Mats_cd03	must be nice to have that contract
13:40	Naphex	if you're wondering how is that possbile, it ran a browser in full screen on the front-end
13:40	Apocalyptic	so...ugly
13:40	Naphex	and had some php scripts running as daemons over sockets to emulate IPC and threads
13:41	Naphex	and using fopen('/dev/sttys*') to read serials and sh unix scripts with stty to setup serial ports
13:41	Naphex	lol
13:41	benkay	asciilifeform: haskell?
13:42	asciilifeform	benkay: not a fan. see v. sedach's explanation: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=401
13:42	assbot	Loper OS » Of Lisp Macros and Washing Machines
13:44	asciilifeform	benkay: and this reply to a reader asking about urbit (author of urbit was labouring under the same ill-conceived notions that produced haskell) - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390
13:44	assbot	Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits.
13:44	diametric	asciilifeform: I've been meaning to ask you on your opinion of Go
13:45	asciilifeform	diametric: every so often, folks invent another 'ocaml' - compiled language with 'strong typing.' you lose the REPL - you lose me.
13:45	diametric	the people backing it are what have me intrigued
13:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00087976 = 5.0146 BTC [+] {2}
13:46	asciilifeform	'go' is funded by the same bozos who spend $billion on a company making GUI thermostats.
13:46	diametric	asciilifeform: it's also the brain child of Ken Thompson and Rob Pike
13:47	diametric	and go does have a repl
13:47	asciilifeform	yeah, the folks responsible for 35 years of static language well past sell by date
13:47	asciilifeform	it is important to understand what a proper repl consists of. i.e. a bash loop that repeatedly calls a compiler is not a genuine repl.
13:48	asciilifeform	you ought to be able to do 'who-calls' and other useful operations that need the machine to retain semantics of the original code
13:53	asciilifeform	people who design baroque contraptions (ml, haskell, ocaml, go - tradition) for 'smarter compiler' - that ends up grinding the original semantics of a program into incomprehensible soup - as if god came and said to mortals to use pdp-11 forever - are solving the wrong problem.
13:54	asciilifeform	it is possible - and has been done - to build cpu which executes high-level language more or less directly. but, given as i have an entire blog about this, i will omit the details here.
13:54	mod6	asciilifeform uses only opcodez
13:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00087982 = 11.5256 BTC [+]
13:55	asciilifeform	even on a very minimal machine, with a few kb of memory, it is possible to use a language like Forth - which preserves the semantics of the code, and has genuine repl.
13:56	asciilifeform	the distinction between source and object code is an evil thing, rather like leaded gasoline - ought to have gone away a generation ago.
13:57	asciilifeform	for anyone still following the conversation, see also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=256
13:57	assbot	Loper OS » Fourth Law of Sane Personal Computing
14:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00087972 = 15.3511 BTC [-]
14:01	asciilifeform	obligatory:
14:01	asciilifeform	http://www.maxfarquar.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Oh-Fuck.png
14:02	asciilifeform	^ typical reaction of programmers when i try to explain all of this.
14:02	kakobrekla	:D
14:03	benkay	"but you can't possibly fix five decades of institutional lock-in!"
14:04	asciilifeform	i often ask people to read about edison's dc current idiocy, and contemplate what would have happened if he had 'won'
14:05	asciilifeform	(e.g. power station on every street corner, wall wiring as thick as your arm, etc)
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14:05	asciilifeform	this was a very narrow escape.
14:06	benkay	capital requirements got in the way.
14:06	asciilifeform	situation was entirely analogous to the current one re: computing - in that the inferior technical solution would have been embraced readily by equipment makers, for whom the waste is a bonanza
14:07	asciilifeform	if westinghouse did not have similar strength and motivation to demolish the crap - we'd have been stuck with it.
14:10	asciilifeform	obligatory:
14:10	asciilifeform	http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3141310154691952@naggum.no.html
14:10	assbot	Re: Is LISP dying? - Naggum cll archive
14:10	jurov	westinghouse had the presence of mind to compete on price, too
14:10	jurov	symbolics did not
14:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.10149192 BTC [+]
14:11	jurov	again, what if we had gorillas.cl instead of gorillas.bas ?
14:11	asciilifeform	jurov: smbx had perverse incentives (usg funding that appeared bottomless - until it died suddenly. reagan's 'star wars.')
14:11	asciilifeform	'I remember someone saying that if it hadn't been for automatic switches in the telephone network, the entire population of planet earth would have had to be telephone operators to handle the load of telephone usage in 1993 or thereabout. I get the eerie feeling that because modern computer systems are so incredibly braindamaged in their design and in the tools used to program them, the entire population of pla
14:11	asciilifeform	net earth will be programming these idiotic boxes pretty soon if managers don't wise up to the fact that the equivalent of automatic switches already exist and have done so for at least 20 years.'
14:11	jurov	that did not happen because lispers had perverse incentives
14:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.03000838 = 3.0008 BTC [+] {7}
14:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10947 @ 0.00087992 = 9.6325 BTC [+] {2}
14:12	jurov	and todays' kids learn computing on rpi and python, because whole setup is beneath lispers
14:13	jurov	why can't you just change rpi into lisp machine instead of all that complaining?
14:13	asciilifeform	jurov: python, ruby, etc. are, arguably, cheap 'soviet style' copies of common lisp. as admitted by, for example, matsumoto (author of ruby)
14:13	kakobrekla	kinda same story with thinking machines, darpa funding there.
14:14	asciilifeform	jurov: can you change a trabant into a toyota?
14:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.03072497 = 3.0725 BTC [+] {7}
14:14	benkay	jurov: my plan is to give 'em emacs on a barebones bsd machine with an irc connection to chat with me
14:14	asciilifeform	jurov: you need entirely new silicon (type-aware cpu, hardware garbage collector, etc)
14:14	jurov	that's the attitude i'm taking about
14:15	jurov	give kids the toys and they will make it into silicone later
14:15	jurov	not the other way round
14:15	asciilifeform	jurov: we've been witnessing the failure of this approach for two decades now.
14:15	asciilifeform	here's an essay describing my hypothesis regarding why:
14:15	asciilifeform	http://www.loper-os.org/?p=55
14:15	assbot	Loper OS » You have made your bedrock, now lie in it.
14:15	jurov	i'm only withessing te failure of your approach so far
14:16	jurov	kids first learn Basic, Pascal, and C
14:16	asciilifeform	jurov: gotta distinguish market failure from technological failure.
14:16	jurov	then naturally live with it whole life
14:16	jurov	because no one is doing affordable and attractive lisp machines
14:17	jurov	how is it different?
14:17	asciilifeform	jurov: see the dc current historical example.
14:17	jurov	you did not say anything to my price argument
14:17	jurov	that ac power generation could be done cheaper
14:17	mircea_popescu	;;ticker
14:17	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 631.57, Best ask: 632.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.43000, Last trade: 632.0, 24 hour volume: 20574.38657010, 24 hour low: 613.03, 24 hour high: 683.26, 24 hour vwap: 637.537278288
14:18	jurov	lisp machines to date, were not done so.
14:18	jurov	because you "oh noes trabant" attitude
14:18	asciilifeform	jurov: my half-baked fpga prototype cost me about 500 usd. but picture, in my shoes, proposing that it be manufactured en masse, to an industrial magnate.
14:18	asciilifeform	'who wants to buy this and why'
14:19	jurov	we have things like kickstarter now, no need to go through incumbents
14:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9031 @ 0.00088055 = 7.9522 BTC [+]
14:20	kakobrekla	those people invest in solar freaking roadways not lisp
14:20	asciilifeform	i've had this discussion with more people than i can count. and the only ones who 'grokked' the basic idea, were the ones who woke up to the realization that much of what we consider to be the 'inevitable' brokenness of computing infrastructure (ubiquitous bugs, e.g. buffer overflows, irreducible complexity of os, compilers) is anything but.
14:21	mircea_popescu	mike_c: like hunter s. thompson needs fucking BI to improve his writing. << where would hts be w/o bi!!1
14:21	asciilifeform	re: kickstarter: lol. suggested experiment: open a kickstart, with the headline 'pay my living expense for 20 years. in the end, you might get a useful gizmo if i live that long.'
14:21	jurov	yes it is inevitable if people who know better won't do anything for kids because they want 100% architectural purity without compromises
14:21	mike_c	srsly. he'd be unreadable without their editing
14:22	mircea_popescu	i hope they make an up to date version
14:22	diametric	asciilifeform: surprisingly the last 6 kickstarters i've done have all delivered
14:22	diametric	though i tend to vet them
14:22	mircea_popescu	i think he might have said nigger or something unsavoury like that at some point
14:23	asciilifeform	kickstarter works - when it works - for 'i want to make a bicycle drive shaft from hastalloy.' and other well-defined engineering problems.
14:23	jurov	what prevented OLPC to ship with lisp? "o noes trabant"
14:23	asciilifeform	for 'basic research' - not so much.
14:23	asciilifeform	jurov: olpc was a microshaft brainwashing project (admitted as much! hence why it shipped with an x86 turd instead of a cheaper risc cpu)
14:24	mircea_popescu	pankkake: is it down in USD terms? << for "2nd ipo" definitely. seems just about even for original ipo tho
14:24	asciilifeform	get the african kids started on winblows.
14:24	jurov	so you admit microsoft can do it, yet you cannot
14:25	asciilifeform	jurov: microshaft can do many things that i cannot.
14:25	asciilifeform	'The Ogre does what ogres can, Deeds quite impossible for Man,...'
14:25	mircea_popescu	mike_c: pankkake: ipo USD/share: $0.33, 2po: $0.345, current: $0.227 << o wow srsly ? for some reason i had it in my head they started at a 25cents
14:26	mike_c	those were actually off by a factor of 10, but they all were so it doesn't really matter.
14:27	mike_c	ipo = 0.0055 BTC * 600 = $3.30
14:27	mike_c	now, 0.0036 * 630 = $2.27 per share
14:28	mircea_popescu	i see. thanks for that!
14:28	jurov	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Laptop_per_Child#Open_source_vs._dual-boot_systems apprently it did not go very well for microsoft
14:28	assbot	One Laptop per Child - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
14:28	mircea_popescu	nubbins`: they see it as "bitcoin isn't ready for apple" << they're right, too. i don't have a mpoe-pr large enough to swat all the fucktarded us consumers thinking they'r eentitled to shit because their govt paid me taxes or something
14:29	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: where's that piece of yours re: 'offensively stoopid poor' and 'cattle management technology' ?
14:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00088055 = 12.5038 BTC [+] {2}
14:29	mircea_popescu	nubbins`: "hey guise i'm the first hand-blown glass satanist dildo shop in the WORLD to accept bitcoin!" << when's the ipo!
14:29	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform, ok lemme see here
14:30	mircea_popescu	;;google trilema offensively stupid poor cattle
14:30	gribble	Strategic superiority, a saga pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2012/strategic-superiority-a-saga/>; Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/>; Dear Guardian : stop being retarded. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/dear-guardian-stop- (1 more message)
14:30	asciilifeform	;;google trilema cattle prods
14:30	gribble	Strategic superiority, a saga pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2012/strategic-superiority-a-saga/>; Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/>; That gay ass site, BitBet pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/that-gay-ass-site-bitbet>
14:30	asciilifeform	must be the first link.
14:30	mircea_popescu	Up until recently it was practically impossible to become embroiled into any sort of dealing with the subgroup, their ownership being strictly assumed and their lives strictly subsumed by the corporations competent at dealing with the human cattle : fastfood providers, supermarkets, the government. Both as employers and providers these specialised bureaucracies have the necessary tools, including cattle prods (or what
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14:30	mircea_popescu	ever theyre called now, non-lethal something or the other) to correctly handle them. They have the chemicals, theyve done the research, know the behavioural patterns, have the walls all built to obstruct vision, living arrangements all thought through and everything.
14:30	mircea_popescu	Bitcoin suddenly opened the gate. It is a poisonous offering. You are grossly unequipped to interact straight with the refuse of Western society. Accepting investors with fortunes under a million dollars or whatever the limit was placed for US citizens may make sense. Accepting investors with fortunes under any arbitrary value and simultaneously wits under any arbitrary threshold is not a sound business plan but a str
14:30	mircea_popescu	ategic mistake.
14:30	asciilifeform	ty!
14:30	mircea_popescu	there we go.
14:31	jurov	seems i'm arguing completely different point than ascii :(
14:31	mircea_popescu	it seems so to me too.
14:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00088066 = 13.2539 BTC [+] {2}
14:32	asciilifeform	jurov: the way i understand it, you see 'architectural purity' as an optional frill, like the 'non-conflict zone minerals' folks, or enviro-whiners. i do not.
14:33	asciilifeform	i've long ago given up on convincing any serious number of people of this point through rhetoric - it'll have to be by physical demonstration. but first i gotta live long enough.
14:34	diametric	asciilifeform: that sounds strikingly similar to something our mutual friend once said, in his attempt to correctly implement something resulted in that something never accomplishing anything.
14:34	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla: anyway the fw that i made was first tested on smpake.com service and was made with btc in mind << "built from the ground up with security in mind"
14:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31903 @ 0.00087925 = 28.0507 BTC [-] {3}
14:34	diametric	you can have all the architecturally pure things in the world, but they don't amount to shit if they don't actually manage to accomplish work.
14:35	mircea_popescu	i can see that angle.
14:35	jurov	i have quite a few friends that got into programming in their teens and have done impressive demos
14:35	asciilifeform	diametric: this is sort of why i bring up my long-term research only when asked about it. and at other times, work with whatever materials are available in the jungle i inhabit, in a way that mostly makes sense to people.
14:35	jurov	only to give up in disgust few years later
14:36	thestringpuller	;;seen nubbins`
14:36	gribble	nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour, 44 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <nubbins`> "certainly, daniel! shall i use the bitstamp BTC/GHS rate?"
14:36	jurov	now they use windows and excel. that's where i come from
14:36	thestringpuller	;;later tell nubbins` hey send me pm at some point
14:36	gribble	The operation succeeded.
14:36	jurov	because there was no popular MS-DOS game with embedded lisp interpreter
14:36	jurov	because "oh noes trabant"
14:36	asciilifeform	jurov: 'abuse' (fairly well known game)
14:37	jurov	was the interpreter accessible?
14:37	asciilifeform	only recently we ended up with x86 boxes fast enough to disregard the performance hit from high-level languages on a cpu without hardware type-tagging
14:37	asciilifeform	now you have games (and even virii!) with built-in 'lua'
14:38	kakobrekla	re fw, one of the ways to make it easy one yourself is to keep it as small as possible.
14:40	asciilifeform	obligatory:
14:40	asciilifeform	http://herpolhode.com/rob/utah2000.pdf
14:40	asciilifeform	(rob pike, on why systems research is dead)
14:40	asciilifeform	'To be a viable computer system, one must honor a huge list of
14:40	asciilifeform	large, and often changing, standards: TCP/IP, HTTP, HTML,
14:40	asciilifeform	XML, CORBA, Unicode, POSIX, NFS, SMB, MIME, POP,
14:40	asciilifeform	IMAP, X, ... A huge amount of work, but if you dont honor the standards
14:40	asciilifeform	youre marginalized.'
14:41	asciilifeform	(summary of some of the obstacles in the way of any serious attempt to ditch legacy crud while remaining even a little bit commercially viable)
14:42	jurov	you keep stuffing into my mouth what i'm not saying
14:42	jurov	i'm only saying, show them the light while they want to experiment
14:42	jurov	if that entails using rpi, so be it
14:42	jurov	adults should do adult things, of course
14:43	asciilifeform	i did get a number of people playing with fpga (the closest thing to 'freedom' in this context, that i know of) who perhaps wouldn't have otherwise.
14:44	thestringpuller	+asciilifeform> now you have games (and even virii!) with built-in 'lua' << The engine that came from Jak and Daxter is built in LISP for entity relationships.
14:45	thestringpuller	A good deal of Uncharted is written in LISP.
14:47	benkay	forth chips!
14:47	fluffypony	ok so
14:47	fluffypony	Apple is releasing a new programming language
14:47	fluffypony	called Swift
14:47	fluffypony	closures, generics, namespaces, the usual
14:48	artifexd	Are you trolling, fluffypony?
14:48	fluffypony	artifexd: no serious - they start it off with "we thought about how we could have Objective C but without the problems of C"
14:48	fluffypony	or something
14:49	artifexd	Is it cross platform?
14:49	asciilifeform	lol
14:49	Apocalyptic	<popeofdope> ooohh
14:49	Apocalyptic	<popeofdope> new language
14:49	Apocalyptic	<popeofdope> i like this
14:49	Apocalyptic	<popeofdope> swift
14:49	fluffypony	lol
14:49	Apocalyptic	probably not trolling
14:50	artifexd	Wow. Just... wow.
14:50	fluffypony	they had to do it at some stage, they were getting jealous of .NET
14:50	fluffypony	also they compared performance vs. python and objective-C
14:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 897 @ 0.0008788 = 0.7883 BTC [-]
14:51	fluffypony	"python is slow, objective-C is faster...but Swift is FASTEST!"
14:51	Naphex	and java is the best ;]
14:51	Naphex	:))
14:51	asciilifeform	we're more or less doomed to an eternal proliferation of proprietary piss-ant languages. so colour me unsurprised.
14:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.0246889 = 0.2963 BTC [+]
14:52	benkay	"jealous of .NET"
14:52	benkay	oh god
14:52	benkay	i'm laugh-crying
14:53	asciilifeform	from apple's point of view - it isn't quite enough to have an effective vendor lock-in through obj. c and the mac api - it is necessary to breed programmers who can't even -think- on a competing platform.
14:53	kakobrekla	so whats the story with this seaforth
14:53	artifexd	I'll buy that.
14:54	artifexd	Rephrase: asciilifeform, I accept your statement as an acceptable representation of reality.
14:55	asciilifeform	artifexd: if headline is genuine, the only real surprise is that apple had not attempted this earlier.
14:55	fluffypony	asciilifeform: I think they thought they could bend objective-C to become that
14:56	asciilifeform	fluffypony: one hint, in the past, was that apple clearly indicated a desire to see 'gcc' die in a fire
14:57	Naphex	asciilifeform: what would be your default language for writing a multi-threaded backend, with lots of sockets and nio?
14:58	asciilifeform	Naphex: given empty space?
14:58	asciilifeform	and, back-end for what?
14:59	Naphex	asciilifeform: hmm, lets say data aquisition. grabbing gps data from vehicles
14:59	fluffypony	no new Macbooks
14:59	*	fluffypony sulks
14:59	Naphex	and managing them so some control commands in there
14:59	asciilifeform	Naphex: assuming an actual choice of instruments (rather major assumption) - sbcl.
15:00	fluffypony	lol
15:00	fluffypony	Twitter's having a field day: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpJXGeiIMAAP7If.jpg
15:01	asciilifeform	Naphex: that's what i did last time i had an entirely unconstrained design (a lab automation system, controlling robot & various scientific instruments attached to it)
15:01	fluffypony	https://twitter.com/iamdevloper/status/473537201125736448
15:01	assbot	Recruiters: Now looking for engineers with 5 years of Swift experience!
15:02	asciilifeform	http://trilema.com/category/3-ani-experienta
15:02	assbot	3 ani experienta pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
15:03	fluffypony	one nice thing that came out of are the iCloud Drive prices - 200gb for $4/month
15:03	asciilifeform	Naphex: i discussed this adventure in the not too distant past: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2014&bots=true#589971
15:03	assbot	#bitcoin-assets log
15:04	fluffypony	so now I know where all my pics are getting backed up to
15:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0246889 = 0.1234 BTC [+]
15:05	fluffypony	I'm going to tell Usagi he should start using iCloud Drive for backup
15:09	jurov	"1-click wallet backup"
15:09	fluffypony	heh heh
15:09	fluffypony	UsagiBackup
15:09	fluffypony	1-click backup to Dropbox, LiveDrive, iCloud Drive, and email
15:11	kakobrekla	if one he had done that.
15:11	kakobrekla	if only
15:11	lobbes	http://www.news-leader.com/story/news/local/ozarks/2014/06/02/secretary-state-halts-springfield-bitcoin-business/9871263/
15:11	assbot	Secretary of State halts Springfield man's Bitcoin operations
15:11	lobbes	finally
15:13	fluffypony	omg no way
15:13	fluffypony	pwned
15:13	jurov	"I encourage Missourians to call my office before making any Bitcoin investments" ohmy
15:15	kakobrekla	i dont even get what going on with that
15:15	kakobrekla	active mining or what was it?
15:15	jurov	i move for moiety to call them, ask about mpex and report for lulz
15:15	jurov	anyone with me?
15:16	benkay	do it
15:16	benkay	where is the manul lady
15:16	benkay	;;seen moiety
15:16	gribble	moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 25 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <moiety> how is everyone here?
15:17	fluffypony	"Reached by phone Monday afternoon, Slaughter was unaware of Kander's news release but said it must have been part of a settlement his lawyers were working on with the office. He said he also expects to have to pay a fine."
15:19	kakobrekla	who is who here anyway?
15:19	jurov	kander is the state secretary
15:19	fluffypony	Kander is the secretary of state
15:19	kakobrekla	a.
15:22	fluffypony	https://developer.apple.com/swift/
15:22	assbot	Swift - Apple Developer
15:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.24300324 BTC [+]
15:22	fluffypony	"Swift takes the best features from the C and Objective-C languages. It includes low-level primitives such as types, flow control, and operators. It also provides object-oriented features such as classes, protocols, and generics"
15:22	fluffypony	so it's .NET for Apple
15:22	fluffypony	:-P
15:23	benkay	python for apple
15:23	fluffypony	heh
15:24	benkay	immutable data structures eh
15:24	benkay	https://twitter.com/awiltsch/status/473543331394650113
15:24	assbot	Swift does unicode: http://t.co/0EiCec6cx4
15:24	fluffypony	heh - Usagi getting smacked down: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/bmf-has-lost-access-to-its-wallet.321036/page-2#post-6786418
15:24	assbot	BMF has lost access to it's wallet \| Page 2 \| Bitcointa.lk
15:25	fluffypony	"You made a thread here and what did you expect ? people would congradulate you for doing everything wrong ? keep reading your "how to make a web wallet book" you pathetic tool."
15:29	kakobrekla	wait whut such book exists ??
15:29	benkay	do any of you have a fax number at which i could receive some faxes maybe but probably not?
15:29	fluffypony	benkay: I have a fax to email number
15:29	fluffypony	but it's South Africa
15:30	kakobrekla	lol scammer!
15:31	fluffypony	kakobrekla: shhhh, you're ruining my identity theft scamring
15:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 486 @ 0.0008815 = 0.4284 BTC [+]
15:40	benkay	http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2014/06/02/female-named-hurricanes-kill-more-than-male-because-people-dont-respect-them-study-finds/
15:40	assbot	Female-named hurricanes kill more than male hurricanes because people don’t respect them, study finds
15:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00087868 = 15.948 BTC [-] {2}
15:48	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16271 @ 0.00087617 = 14.2562 BTC [-] {2}
15:56	princessnell	a microaggression with macro consequences
15:56	princessnell	or: proof that god is a vengeful woman
15:57	jurov	oo fellow discordian
15:59	BingoBoingo	/me is suspicous to committing to #bitcoin-assets on Freenode on the shirt, because it is hard to know when the situaton will reverse...
16:00	jurov	the shirt won't last so long
16:00	bitstein	#yesallhurricanes
16:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8553 @ 0.00087474 = 7.4817 BTC [-]
16:02	BingoBoingo	benkay: Are they supposing I want to fuck a hurricaine?
16:02	pankkake	http://www.news-leader.com/story/news/local/ozarks/2014/06/02/secretary-state-halts-springfield-bitcoin-business/9871263/
16:02	assbot	Secretary of State halts Springfield man's Bitcoin operations
16:04	BingoBoingo	pankkake: That merely shows how incredibly friendly Missouri is to actual Bitcoin businesses.
16:05	pankkake	yes, the response is quite sensible, and seems to be about "deceptive tactics"
16:05	pankkake	you guys should reddit that
16:10	jurov	pankkake http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/274r6w/missouri_secretary_of_state_halts_active_minings/?already_submitted=true
16:10	assbot	Missouri Secretary of State halts Active Mining's Bitcoin operations : Bitcoin
16:11	jurov	and i wanted it to submit as "Active Mining Deactivated" but...
16:12	BingoBoingo	Active Mining actually Lethrgic
16:13	jurov	bash flushed
16:13	BingoBoingo	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/274r6w/missouri_secretary_of_state_halts_active_minings/chxg6x6
16:13	assbot	Atruk comments on Missouri Secretary of State halts Active Mining's Bitcoin operations
16:17	BingoBoingo	http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/06/meet-cupid-the-heartbleed-attack-spawns-evil-wi-fi-networks/
16:17	assbot	Meet Cupid, the Heartbleed attack that spawns evil Wi-Fi networks \| Ars Technica
16:23	BingoBoingo	Damn, Apple announced iOs 8
16:24	Apocalyptic	if only they 'd stick to that
16:30	BingoBoingo	fluffypony: I have to imagine some of your neighbors are probably stockpiling BTC to fund a reconquest of Rhodesia
16:30	fluffypony	hah hah
16:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07823999 = 1.1736 BTC [+] {2}
16:30	fluffypony	my mom was born in Rhodesia when it was still called Rhodesia
16:33	BingoBoingo	Naphex: What is so illegible about math?
16:34	BingoBoingo	%book
16:34	atcbot	3k@218 0k@200 7k@200 \| 100k@141 250k@140 6k@135
16:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00087428 = 1.836 BTC [-]
16:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @ 0.00087428 = 6.5134 BTC [-]
16:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0243 = 0.243 BTC [-]
16:49	assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 537 @ 0.00216811 = 1.1643 BTC [+] {2}
16:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02468408 = 0.2468 BTC [-] {4}
16:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8935 @ 0.00087753 = 7.8407 BTC [+] {2}
16:58	mircea_popescu	Naphex: and using fopen('/dev/sttys*') to read serials and sh unix scripts with stty to setup serial ports << pretty lucrative maintenance contract i bet
16:59	Naphex	mircea_popescu: yep, 250k/year
16:59	kakobrekla	mike_c when you need electronic mix next time; http://radiostudent.si/glasba/x-machina/sempre-sempre
16:59	assbot	Sempre sempre \| Radio tudent
17:00	mircea_popescu	sounds about right.
17:02	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform, one cannot transition from the informal to the formal by formal means. << what's the long story of that ?
17:02	mike_c	kakobrekla: i'll try it now, thanks. plus bonus swimsuit pic :)
17:02	kakobrekla	o yea, bush included!
17:03	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the proverb was attributed to mathematician alan perlis. i wasn't there when he uttered it. here's the context where i last mentioned it: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390
17:03	assbot	Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits.
17:03	mircea_popescu	aite
17:06	BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all
17:06	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform, funny, because speaking of jets, random person i ran into today had actually heard of bitcoin, AND of urbit
17:06	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 663.5, vol: 17323.55731786 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 644.4, vol: 12553.89502 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 662.81, vol: 15993.55399357 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 660.0, vol: 77.21816246 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 643.770105, vol: 5415.03470000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 652.0, vol: 8.90331435 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 645.905, vol: 113.3678485 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
17:06	BingoBoingo	;;more
17:06	gribble	656.507348479
17:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.02350333 = 0.2115 BTC [-] {2}
17:06	mircea_popescu	and his comment was "o, those jets thing were the funniest part. "yadda yadda yadda i'm very tired today"
17:06	mircea_popescu	which is a seinfeld reference.
17:06	mircea_popescu	this is how one makes friends.
17:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.02345011 = 0.1173 BTC [-]
17:07	nubbins`	with cia operatives
17:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.0246889 = 0.321 BTC [+]
17:08	assbot	Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/194PXQ2.txt )
17:08	pankkake	!b 8
17:10	mircea_popescu	nubbins`, why so conspiraci minded!
17:11	nubbins`	it's because of my countless dark secrets ;(
17:12	BingoBoingo	Saw interesting creature on the road today. Alligator snapping turtle of roughly a meter in shell circumfrence.
17:13	nubbins`	round up some teenagers and a machete and you've got yourself a movie
17:13	BingoBoingo	Poor local yokel was trying to coax it off the road with sticks.
17:13	mircea_popescu	i read that first as "dick secrets"
17:13	mircea_popescu	and started thinking maybe the surgery's for real.
17:13	nubbins`	because of my countless dick secrets
17:13	nubbins`	they must never know!
17:14	nubbins`	;;seen thestringpuller
17:14	gribble	thestringpuller was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 29 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <thestringpuller> A good deal of Uncharted is written in LISP.
17:15	BingoBoingo	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alligator_snapping_turtle
17:15	assbot	Alligator snapping turtle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
17:15	nubbins`	hm, is "OS X 10.10" pronounced "oh-ess ten ten point ten"?
17:15	nubbins`	that's awkward
17:16	mircea_popescu	osex ten-ten
17:16	mircea_popescu	could be an azn pop boyband
17:17	fluffypony	you just call it Yosemite
17:17	fluffypony	and everyone must know you're talking about an OS
17:17	fluffypony	and not a mountain or whatever the fuck it is
17:18	mircea_popescu	!up Chris_Sabian
17:18	nubbins`	fluffypony, it worked for Mavericks
17:18	nubbins`	oh, wait
17:18	mircea_popescu	lol
17:19	fluffypony	oh well
17:19	fluffypony	could be worse
17:19	fluffypony	could be like Ubuntu
17:19	fluffypony	Ubuntu 17.04 Sexy Scarecrow
17:19	nubbins`	18.2 Dirty Dripper
17:19	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: random person i ran into today had actually heard of bitcoin, AND of urbit << random, as in, on the streets of ar ?
17:19	nubbins`	19.06 Bellicose Bell-end
17:20	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform, no, as in, without having made a specific appointment to discuss bitcoin and urbit
17:20	asciilifeform	aha
17:20	nubbins`	well, nevermind, then
17:22	mircea_popescu	nubbins`, "well, nevermind then" is perhaps the best name so far
17:22	mircea_popescu	is what i've known osx as since about 3.0
17:23	nubbins`	heh
17:23	nubbins`	OSX 10.10 Nevermind
17:23	nubbins`	but everything is 2d again!
17:23	fluffypony	lol
17:24	fluffypony	Ubuntu 20.44 Not Nirvana
17:24	nubbins`	brb food
17:24	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: since mr. m started sailing under the flag of the sv/vc circus, the thing's been well-hyped and spammed to virtually every forum where technowankers while away their days.
17:28	Chris_Sabian	what does "-assbot- You have been voiced for 30 minutes by mircea_popescu" mean?
17:28	mircea_popescu	that you can now talk.
17:28	mircea_popescu	\for half an hour.
17:29	Chris_Sabian	ok then
17:29	BingoBoingo	moiety: You catch that link about the local fauna, definitely would trade for Manuls
17:29	mircea_popescu	so from the "let's encourage people to fly" department :
17:29	mircea_popescu	Braniff Airways Flight 542, a Lockheed L-188 Electra, registration N9705C, was a scheduled domestic flight from Houston, Texas, bound for New York with scheduled stops in Dallas and Washington, D.C.. On September 29, 1959, 23 minutes into the 41-minute flight from Houston to Dallas Love Field, the aircraft disintegrated in mid-air approximately 3.8 miles (6.1 km) southeast of Buffalo, Texas killing everyone on board.
17:30	mircea_popescu	However, even though it was determined that the wing was destroyed by "cycles of reverse bending" or "flutter", the investigation failed to determine how the flutter was caused, and the investigation stalled.
17:30	mircea_popescu	The breakthrough into unlocking the cause of the accident came after the crash of Northwest Airlines Flight 710 on March 17, 1960. The two aircraft, both Electras, disintegrated in mid-air after losing their wings in similar fashion, both resulting in the deaths of all occupants on board.
17:30	mircea_popescu	that's it. thank your for flying vibrator airlines.
17:31	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: That's why bomb screening focus more on finding dildos than explosives
17:31	asciilifeform	see also the famous tacoma narrows bridge.
17:32	BingoBoingo	%book
17:33	atcbot	40k@205 0k@200 7k@200 \| 90k@143 100k@141 250k@140
17:33	asciilifeform	;;google galloping gertie
17:33	gribble	Tacoma Narrows Bridge Collapse "Gallopin' Gertie" - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-zczJXSxnw>; Galloping Gertie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galloping_Gertie>; Tacoma Narrows Bridge ("Galloping Gertie") - Wikipedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacoma_Narrows_Bridge_(1940)>
17:33	Chris_Sabian	so what are everyone thoughts on AM and Friedcat?
17:34	BingoBoingo	Chris_Sabian: Burning the last of the venture
17:34	BingoBoingo	Best case when AM1 falls to or Below IPO, maybe friedcat buys everyone out a la Erik and takes it private.
17:35	mircea_popescu	prolly the plan.
17:36	mike_c	what was am ipo price?
17:36	BingoBoingo	0.1BTC/Share
17:36	Chris_Sabian	0.1
17:37	Chris_Sabian	there is so much misinformation and rumors it is hard to know what is going on
17:37	Chris_Sabian	the forum is full of trolls and bagholders
17:38	BingoBoingo	I dunno anything for sure, just supposed the best way this ends.
17:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0230023 = 0.161 BTC [-]
17:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.024689 = 0.2222 BTC [+]
17:44	jurov	nubbins`: you think there are cia operatives in chan?
17:44	jurov	somehow never considered it
17:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 900 @ 0.00048 = 0.432 BTC [-]
17:46	nubbins`	not sure why ya wouldn't
17:46	nubbins`	seems like a gross omission on their point otherwise
17:46	nubbins`	on their part, even
17:46	mike_c	especially with all you foreigners in here.
17:47	jurov	mike_c no you are foreigner xD
17:47	mircea_popescu	jurov, that was a fact a month or so ago. meanwhile, prolly lost interest, limiting themselves to one intern "checking the weblogs"
17:47	mircea_popescu	when not busy toking
17:48	assbot	[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 826 @ 0.00021536 = 0.1779 BTC [-]
17:48	jurov	that's very lucky intern
17:51	FabianB	!jd mpif
17:51	assbot	Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 166.98309966 BTC; -0.01864958 BTC (-0.0112%) since last check 11h 29m 41s ago.
17:53	jurov	;;seen ThickAsThieves
17:53	gribble	ThickAsThieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 hours, 58 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> lol
17:57	kakobrekla	FabianB you just realized a loss
17:57	kakobrekla	meta-just-dice!
17:57	mike_c	couple bit cents down the drain.
17:57	FabianB	lol
17:58	FabianB	increases probability for being a gain next check
17:59	mike_c	mpif question: are those 900k+ shares on the order book new shares?
17:59	FabianB	no
17:59	mike_c	hmm, how would you know ;)
18:00	mike_c	seller identified.
18:00	FabianB	i think it's the rest of the second 1 mio
18:00	kakobrekla	yeah about half was left out in the book
18:01	kakobrekla	apple: Apps may facilitate transmission of approved virtual currencies provided that they do so in compliance with all state and federal laws for the territories in which the app functions
18:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.02830333 = 0.3396 BTC [-] {2}
18:10	nubbins`	kakobrekla inorite
18:10	nubbins`	we were speaking of this earlier today, and then the next thing ya know
18:11	kakobrekla	we were?
18:11	nubbins`	the general "we"
18:12	*	kakobrekla can be heard editing the logs
18:13	*	jurov demands logs storage into blockchain
18:13	nubbins`	i demand the reverse
18:15	jurov	what, to use blockchain to generate conversation?
18:15	jurov	leave that up to vexual
18:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00087424 = 13.7256 BTC [-] {3}
18:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02300199 = 0.115 BTC [-] {5}
18:19	dub	surely it only affects a handfull of aspies and retards doe
18:29	jurov	;;ticker
18:29	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 670.0, Best ask: 672.92, Bid-ask spread: 2.92000, Last trade: 670.0, 24 hour volume: 18962.87071715, 24 hour low: 613.03, 24 hour high: 677.77, 24 hour vwap: 642.840145677
18:33	mike_c	wtf
18:33	mike_c	back to the moon i guess
18:36	mike_c	when did bitfinex get so fking big? are they blowing smoke up their own ass?
18:37	mircea_popescu	bitfinex always claimed to be big
18:37	mircea_popescu	it wasn't ever, but hey.
18:38	mike_c	"The Bitfinex trading platform is currently in a beta phase (testing phase). The platform is owned and operated by iFinex Inc. (Bvi), and during this final phase the platform is being prepared to operate under a fully licensed model."
18:38	mike_c	well, where do i send my money!
18:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12537 @ 0.00087411 = 10.9587 BTC [-]
18:39	mircea_popescu	you could send it to the bitcoinica relief fund.
18:39	kakobrekla	i think its cause they do leverage and report those numbers ?
18:40	mircea_popescu	you recall, these are those derps.
18:40	mike_c	i am recalling. soon gox2 will arise with their stolen code and they can compete on even footing.
18:41	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointa.lk/threads/scam-tag-request-user-unclescrooge-founder-and-operator-of-bitfinex-com.133691/
18:41	assbot	[scam tag request] user unclescrooge founder and operator of bitfinex.com \| Bitcointa.lk
18:44	kakobrekla	but i honestly believe they are getting traffic
18:45	kakobrekla	where else sheep gonna go? bitstamp is fucking them too directly.
18:46	kakobrekla	and afaik bs did another audit recently, where it shows they have less btc in books t han in the last one
18:47	mircea_popescu	traffic is one thing.
18:48	mircea_popescu	im sure they';re getting plenty of traffic, no argument there.
18:48	mircea_popescu	as a reddit/facebook/whatever social media site, bitfinex is just as good as any one of a thousand third hand niche things
18:49	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: jurov: smbx had perverse incentives (usg funding that appeared bottomless - until it died suddenly. reagan's 'star wars.') << best way to sink a good start-up is a bad revenue source early on.
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18:49	mircea_popescu	there are reasons a good manager is worth more than a good anything.
18:51	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: re: kickstarter: lol. suggested experiment: open a kickstart, with the headline 'pay my living expense for 20 years. in the end, you might get a useful gizmo if i live that long.' << you're making jurov's argument for him tho.
18:51	mircea_popescu	why would you phrase it that stupidly ?
18:54	fluffypony	I find Bitfinex's numbers highly suspect
18:58	mircea_popescu	you and everyone else capable of safely keeping a bitcoin for a year
19:00	mircea_popescu	who is lobbes ?
19:00	mircea_popescu	!up lobbes
19:00	mircea_popescu	jurov: i move for moiety to call them, ask about mpex and report for lulz << carried. moiety plz to call and ask
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19:01	mircea_popescu	!up CoalPowerGorilla
19:01	nubbins`	i'm feeling like lelel
19:01	nubbins`	http://i.imgur.com/v4inNXM.gif
19:01	nubbins`	"bongtu" is korean for "plastic bag"
19:02	nubbins`	that yellow contraption says "bungtu" written on it
19:02	nubbins`	hilarity
19:02	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: why would you phrase it that stupidly << the answer is, because i haven't the titanic brain that would be needed to come up with a 'smart' way to phrase it. so generally i don't bring the subject up, unless asked first. 'basic research' is a fundamentally... unreasonable proposition from the ROI standpoint. i'm not particularly good at justifying unreasonable things.
19:02	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: benkay: Are they supposing I want to fuck a hurricaine? << imagine the suction.
19:02	mircea_popescu	golf ball through garden hose, LITERALLY.
19:03	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform, gotta be more easy going you know ?
19:03	asciilifeform	nubbins`: what's that?
19:03	nubbins`	plunger
19:03	mircea_popescu	"please kickstart my cool fundamental project. fundamental research is important because it's what keeps kittens purr"
19:03	asciilifeform	nubbins`: lol!
19:03	mircea_popescu	that's a major improvement.
19:04	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the usual reply of audience is 'why ought we give $bignum to you and not the 9,999 other wankers'
19:06	mircea_popescu	and the usual reply is to jus tignore the question.
19:08	mircea_popescu	in summa : you are approaching it as a hard problem. it's not, it's quite soft
19:08	mircea_popescu	and a little brown.
19:11	mircea_popescu	Reached by phone Monday afternoon, Slaughter was unaware of Kander's news release but said it must have been part of a settlement his lawyers were working on with the office. He said he also expects to have to pay a fine.
19:11	mircea_popescu	"I haven't heard from my lawyer exactly how much that's going to be," he said.
19:11	mircea_popescu	idiot. no, it's not part of it. it's part of every govt agency even remotely arguably connected trying to get a slice
19:11	mircea_popescu	because they're paid by how much they pretend to have mattered the previous year.
19:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 848 @ 0.00018311 = 0.1553 BTC [-] {40}
19:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00087271 = 12.087 BTC [-] {2}
19:29	dub	wtfing at this bittrex feature
19:30	dub	Use Caution: This will zero (0) the balance of your wallet and cannot be reversed. Please be absolutely sure you want to do this before you confirm.
19:30	dub	use case?
19:34	kakobrekla	prolly if you end up in negative, you can zero it back!
19:40	BingoBoingo	http://www.ozarksfirst.com/story/d/story/bitcoin-scheme-stopped-in-springfield/42134/mpENjSmOFUOVEPibioIXYA
19:40	assbot	Springfield Bitcoin Investment Plan Stopped by State of MO - OzarksFirst.com
19:42	danielpbarron	dub, maybe something to do with that change you can never withdraw or trade on exchanges; the stuff that's not big enough for any of the minimums
19:43	danielpbarron	(not that a "zero your balance" is a good solution to that0
19:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00087364 = 19.3074 BTC [+]
20:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.21000984 = 0.42 BTC [-]
20:04	mircea_popescu	kako has it actually
20:04	mircea_popescu	ancient bitcoinica bug
20:04	mike_c	RFC: http://www.btcalpha.com/mpif-tracker/
20:04	assbot	Btc Alpha - Analysis tools for bitcoin finance.
20:05	mircea_popescu	mike_c, o wow, how is bitbet negastive ? she lost a bet meanwhile ?
20:05	mike_c	sort of
20:06	mike_c	er, yes
20:06	mike_c	she won, but it didn't cover the small hedge
20:06	mircea_popescu	link ?
20:07	mike_c	http://bitbet.us/bet/802/bitcoin-to-drop-under-300-before-june/#b5
20:07	assbot	BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $300 before June :: 4.75 B (10%) on Yes, 41.24 B (90%) on No \| closed 1 week 2 days ago
20:08	mircea_popescu	ah i c
20:08	mircea_popescu	dude is it great that these aren't related and so p2 can cover p4 etc
20:09	mircea_popescu	anywya, splendid tool that thing.
20:09	mike_c	will get even more live when jurov finishes his thing :)
20:10	mircea_popescu	splendid.
20:10	mircea_popescu	once bb's pot increases significantly i'll bug him to do something similar, but for now a small wildcard is all the spritz needed
20:10	mircea_popescu	anywya, fascinating what open really means.
20:11	mike_c	agreed
20:11	mircea_popescu	and making history and all that jazz all the derps claim
20:12	BingoBoingo	I'm still wondering how I might do that, but there are ideas.
20:14	mike_c	jurov's book would make infinite loop anyway. nav = (pc1,2,3,4) + nav * pc5 shares
20:16	mircea_popescu	part of the reason why i took him of nav pricing
20:16	mircea_popescu	he's doing mkt value.
20:21	mircea_popescu	o look at that, jd a whole dime up since yest too ?
20:21	mircea_popescu	muy bien muy bien
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20:53	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00087445 = 13.7726 BTC [+] {4}
21:01	BingoBoingo	http://valleywag.gawker.com/winklevoss-twins-buying-giant-14-5-million-penthouse-1584927093/+sarah-hedgecock
21:01	assbot	Winklevoss Twins Buying Giant $14.5 Million Penthouse... Together?
21:01	BingoBoingo	^ Twincest
		~ 17 minutes ~
21:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.22000007 = 1.32 BTC [+] {2}
21:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1864 @ 0.00087363 = 1.6284 BTC [-]
21:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0303 = 0.303 BTC [+]
21:26	BingoBoingo	!t m f.mpif
21:26	assbot	[MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021539 / 0.00021552 (1050 shares, 0.23 BTC), 7D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021704 / 0.00021726 (9050 shares, 1.96 BTC), 30D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021722 / 0.00021726 (114803 shares, 24.94 BTC)
21:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2250002 BTC [+]
21:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.225 = 4.5 BTC [-]
21:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.22002146 BTC [-]
21:38	BingoBoingo	!up Pierre_Rochard
21:48	decimation	asciilifeform re: truecrypt audit >> it is indeed old news, but I didn't see the point emphasized on the channel
21:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07989979 = 0.1598 BTC [+]
21:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.22002168 = 0.6601 BTC [+] {2}
21:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.21833333 = 1.31 BTC [-] {2}
21:54	decimation	asciilieform re: transformer isn't nonlinear resonance something to be avoided? How does the circuit maintain its nolinear resonance with variable load conditions.
21:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 30 @ 0.0303 = 0.909 BTC [-]
21:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2031 BTC [-]
21:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 49 @ 0.07987578 = 3.9139 BTC [-]
22:03	asciilifeform	decimation: How does the circuit maintain its nolinear resonance with variable load << naturally, this is possible only within rated limit of a particular machine.
22:04	asciilifeform	decimation: http://www.aelgroup.co.uk/hb/hb001.htm << good basic summary of the concept
22:04	assbot	hb001 Constant Voltage Transformer (CVT) introduction - the perfect sine wave
22:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95680 @ 0.00087187 = 83.4205 BTC [-] {8}
22:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.22997729 = 1.3799 BTC [+] {2}
22:10	BingoBoingo	"This bait and switch defense procurement situation, one that has become eerily circular in nature, is a much larger threat to national security then uneducated men in mud huts with AK-47s. A foe which we have spent trillions targeting and killing for over the last decade with little to show for it." http://aviationintel.com/disgrace-navys-f-35b-carrier/
22:10	assbot	DISGRACE: NAVY’S NEW PURPOSE BUILT “F-35B CARRIER” CANNOT WITHSTAND CONTINUOUS F-35B OR MV-22 OPERATIONS \| AviationIntel.com
22:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.22997781 BTC [+]
22:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.24131322 = 9.6525 BTC [+] {8}
22:23	benkay	!up chairforce1
22:24	chairforce1	why hello
22:24	benkay	how's it been?
22:24	chairforce1	excellent
22:24	chairforce1	u?
22:24	benkay	p okay
22:24	benkay	must cloast moar deals
22:24	chairforce1	which deals?
22:24	chairforce1	of wat nature
22:24	benkay	of the software-y and app-y nature
22:25	chairforce1	i love nature
22:25	chairforce1	r u making an app?
22:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.09 = 0.18 BTC [-]
22:26	benkay	"an" lolzlzozlz
22:27	chairforce1	?
22:27	chairforce1	an application?
22:27	benkay	no as in like "only one?"
22:27	chairforce1	oh
22:28	chairforce1	how many r in the pipeline?
22:29	BingoBoingo	Maxint apps
22:29	benkay	(def maxint-apps (capacity-planner nerds-as-what-need-pimping-out))
22:30	benkay	setv if you're cool, i guess
22:30	benkay	<-- v. not cool opportunistic lisper
22:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.22971385 BTC [-]
22:30	benkay	<-- responsible for bedrock
22:31	benkay	what's so excellent with you, chairforce1 ?
22:32	chairforce1	well
22:33	chairforce1	idk what maxint and setv are
22:33	chairforce1	but im excellent because bitcoin is fun
22:33	chairforce1	and
22:33	chairforce1	i spent some time with my friends today
22:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.22971385 = 0.4594 BTC [-] {2}
22:35	benkay	what's so fun about bitcoin?
22:36	chairforce1	well
22:36	chairforce1	the who industry
22:36	chairforce1	its so new
22:36	chairforce1	and akward
22:36	chairforce1	no1 knows how to deal with it
22:36	chairforce1	its like watching a fawn beng born
22:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.00203776 = 0.1202 BTC [+] {6}
22:36	chairforce1	its funny
22:38	BingoBoingo	I guess that's fair, there's been a lot of blood
22:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.24999997 = 4.75 BTC [+] {2}
22:38	benkay	are you doing anything interesting with btc?
22:39	chairforce1	no
22:39	chairforce1	just admiring it
22:39	chairforce1	buy little bits here and there
22:39	chairforce1	when i can
22:39	chairforce1	yes there has been blood
22:39	chairforce1	bitcoin is ruthless
22:40	chairforce1	the markets are irrational
22:40	chairforce1	large players play around
22:40	chairforce1	securities is a bigger blood bath
22:41	chairforce1	the wild west of the wild west
22:41	chairforce1	no1 knows wtf is gong on
22:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.21004478 BTC [-]
22:45	decimation	asciilifeform: re: cvt: interesting. It seems to me that saturating the secondary would clip the output waveform, precautions must have been taken to prevent this
22:47	decimation	books.google.com/books?id=h2Es9vpaKhQC&pg=SA9-PA2
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23:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.08600002 = 0.172 BTC [-] {2}
23:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0303 = 0.1515 BTC [-]
23:11	decimation	asciilifeform: after reading that chapter, it appears that ferroresonant transformers help with voltage regulation, suppressing harmonics and transients, as well as riding through nasty undervolt conditions (that kill switching power supplies). They aren't very helpful for momentary outages, as you have said.
23:11	asciilifeform	decimation: correct.
23:12	decimation	I might have to go find one of my own, if they are available for cheap.
23:12	asciilifeform	decimation: for outages, ordinary ups.
23:12	asciilifeform	decimation: (no reason not to connect traditional ups in series)
23:12	decimation	before the transformer I presume?
23:12	asciilifeform	aye
23:13	kakobrekla	ok so this newlisp is slow as fuck even if they claim otherwise.
23:14	asciilifeform	'newlisp' is the 'feathercoin' of lisps
23:14	kakobrekla	is it?
23:14	kakobrekla	no clue
23:14	kakobrekla	had high hopes at first glance
23:14	asciilifeform	author started by pissing all over every single advance in the history of the language - starting with lexical scope, moving on to compiler, etc
23:15	asciilifeform	but, 'new' !
23:15	kakobrekla	other things but 'new' attracted me, but whatever.
23:15	kakobrekla	i found something else to waste time on
23:16	decimation	the 'trick' is the airgapped shunt that causes the secondary to saturate, thus causing the output voltage to remain in a narrow range. It's interesting to me that this has been known since 1940, is ideal for computers, and is apparently mostly unknown amoung computer users
23:16	asciilifeform	kakobrekla: vaguely relevant ancient thread: http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2012/09/12/not-all-programmers-alike/#comment-3674
23:17	assbot	Not all programmers are alike: a language rant \| Locklin on science
23:17	asciilifeform	decimation: it is very, very well known among computer users. behind the 'iron curtain.'
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23:18	decimation	"management" in the west would hate the buzzing
23:18	asciilifeform	decimation: the pill against the buzz is to lock the thing in a closet
23:18	decimation	yeah, wires exist for a reason I guess.
23:19	asciilifeform	decimation: your mains step-down transformer would also be quite audible if you were to take it off the pole and bring it in your living room.
23:20	decimation	I'm interested in the lightning suppression, I live in a lightning-prone area and I want to take precautions against harm. I'm not convinced by the "protect" LED in cheapass MOV devices
23:21	asciilifeform	CVTs are still used in places where equipment costs $maxint. i personally ordered one installed in a lab where i once worked.
23:21	asciilifeform	(we were getting transients from a newly installed gigantic air conditioner)
23:22	asciilifeform	quite a few of the units you'll find on 'ebay' are labeled 'minicomputer transformer.' so, i imagine they were shipped with pdp and vax.
23:23	asciilifeform	if your computer costs serious dough, a $1k power filter is small change.
23:23	decimation	yeah, that's the kind of device where you want to shop "ebay local"
23:23	asciilifeform	that or 'free ship'
23:23	decimation	lol I bet it costs $1 to ship from hong kong
23:25	asciilifeform	decimation: they're typically guaranteed for 25 years or so. get a used box with clear conscience.
23:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07435204 = 0.1487 BTC [-]
23:30	decimation	re: dataflow: I've been browsing the academic papers on "dataflow" computers. Most of them are crazy "C machine" and "Dataflow sidecar" hybrids. Makes as much sense as putting a massive aircraft engine in a car: www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJn7LHE83cc
23:30	asciilifeform	incidentally: cvt is a good pill against nosy buggers who'd like to 'read' bits off your mains wiring.
23:31	kakobrekla	interesting asciilifeform , you really have seen it all, and too bad you didnt link me a week ago. :)
23:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.02437999 = 0.2438 BTC [-]
23:31	decimation	I prefer to keep the lower frequency EM fields around my house pure, so I can receive shortwave well
23:34	decimation	like this guy - all kinds of citations etc: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~mihaib/research/iwls04.pdf Figure 1 is amusing/sad
23:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.0215101 = 0.3657 BTC [-] {7}
23:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0215101 = 0.1936 BTC [-] {8}
23:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0215 = 0.215 BTC [-]
23:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.02051 = 0.3487 BTC [-] {2}
23:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.02437999 = 0.3901 BTC [-]
23:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0205 = 0.205 BTC [-]
23:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 22 @ 0.0201001 = 0.4422 BTC [-] {4}
23:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 22 @ 0.02010007 = 0.4422 BTC [-] {5}
23:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.02001675 = 0.1201 BTC [-] {2}
23:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.02437999 = 0.1219 BTC [-]
23:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07987039 = 0.5591 BTC [+] {3}
23:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.03039 = 0.152 BTC [+]

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