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00:02 mircea_popescu in other news, toto u curtu croaked last week.
00:03 mircea_popescu easily most accomplished troll of the 90s, gave the (mostly italian speaking) redditards hives.
00:11 asciilifeform can haz link to example ?
00:11 mircea_popescu example what ?
00:11 * asciilifeform never seen
00:11 mircea_popescu !~google falcone bombing
00:11 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Giovanni Falcone - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Falcone>; Capaci bombing - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capaci_bombing>; Mafia's murder of Giovanni Falcone : Duty, danger and courage ...: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DFXZzCQ4_6hA>
00:11 asciilifeform the troll ?
00:12 mircea_popescu !~google toto riina
00:12 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Salvatore Riina - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvatore_Riina>; 'He killed all his rivals': Totò Riina , Sicilian mafia's 'boss of bosses ...: <https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/17/toto-riina-sicilian-mafia-boss-of-bosses-dies-cosa-nostra-italy>; Toto Riina , Mafia 'boss of bosses', dies in jail aged 87 - BBC News: <http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42022142
00:12 asciilifeform aaa
00:15 asciilifeform 'was serving 26 life sentences' << lel
00:15 mircea_popescu was also "on the run" for 23 years while living at home and getting public health subsidies.
00:16 mircea_popescu was the lulziest moment, at "trial" when wediditreddit discovered that.. .well...
00:21 asciilifeform http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42141943 << from same rag, 'Danish court extends girl's jail sentence for terror plot'
00:23 mircea_popescu check that out.
00:37 BingoBoingo Oh my
00:41 BingoBoingo http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=9618
00:43 mircea_popescu instead of all this focus on how to x without money
00:44 mircea_popescu HOW ABOUT MAKING SOME FUCKING MONEY.
00:44 BingoBoingo Well, what was middle tramp doing?
00:45 BingoBoingo Middle tramp was doing what the redditots will be doing in their 40's
00:45 asciilifeform where's a hobo, incidentally, to keep money? up his arse ?
00:46 BingoBoingo AHA, the prison wallet
00:47 asciilifeform i suspect that the last jailbird whose starfish wasn't regularly inspected, was herr goring
00:50 asciilifeform hobo will regularly lose his worldly goodz, but nobody can take his 'knowing how to x without money', i suspect is the idea.
00:51 BingoBoingo Nah, probably gotta go further back in history
00:51 asciilifeform and yes he could go and make money but then risks ending up as a programmer and whining about shitty kvms and no moar wall to hang lcd etc
00:51 BingoBoingo To HNNNGNUNG the proto-startfish 3.5 billion years ago, arrested for being delicious
00:52 asciilifeform lol
00:54 asciilifeform back to mr hobo, asciilifeform wonders how much of the peculiar landscape of poorfaggistan is made up of the fact that in many ways to have ~a little~ money is worse than to habitually have none at all
00:55 * asciilifeform bbl,bed
01:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform eh, even ru peasant knew enough of how world works to bury.
01:08 mircea_popescu modern hobo is not intellectually qualified to live in 1600s. because if he did, he'd have had to be pirate.
01:13 mircea_popescu in other "run moar js/webkit" lulz, https://www.jitbit.com/alexblog/256-targetblank---the-most-underestimated-vulnerability-ever/
~ 19 minutes ~
01:33 BingoBoingo lol
01:39 BingoBoingo Ah, Trilema reread on attention whore culture of the hour http://trilema.com/2013/rape-is-fun-or-lets-fuck-up-adria-richards/
~ 3 hours 55 minutes ~
05:34 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743529 <- I suspect they don't afford it basically; and related, from the world that once (long time ago) was: http://www.dianacoman.com/blog/2017/06/26/democratie-cu-pantaloni-fara-pantaloni-mai-mult-fara/
05:34 a111 Logged on 2017-11-28 04:19 mircea_popescu: do you know there is not.one.single.shop selling pure natural fiber shirts in all of costa rica ?
~ 2 hours 11 minutes ~
07:45 mircea_popescu diana_coman exactly true, they don't.
07:46 mircea_popescu the part where they thing ~this is okay~ though, is the problem. peasant of today, polyester, peasant of 1800, linen, then when usg says "progress" they all stand up and clap like trained seals.
07:51 mircea_popescu exactly a rehash of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743513 which is itself exactly a rehash of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-29#1531002 and of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569609 and of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523091 and so on.
07:51 a111 Logged on 2017-11-28 03:39 mircea_popescu: somehow if the usg website comes up with "it's illegal to smoke", they stop smoking, AS FUCKING IF. whereas when the republic orders, they "have options".
07:51 a111 Logged on 2016-08-29 13:16 mircea_popescu: take the general "entrepreneur", take paul biggar as a much better example. the kid is definitely intelligent. he wants to be an entrepreneur. which is a word, which has a meaning. he proceeds to usianize. this FAILS TO DELIVER, but a decade later he is STILL doing it. and apparently hasn't noticed ANYTHING about any of this. why not ?
07:51 a111 Logged on 2016-11-18 12:53 mircea_popescu: jurov the problem is one of optics. you have not "seen paying" anyone for .achristianfamily either, but you credit the empire and discredit the republic for reasons we're invited to not misrepresent as misplaced loyalties, i guess. similarly with electrum - yes, for as long as you stick to the credit empire discredit republic mindset, it "enables" you.
07:51 a111 Logged on 2016-08-17 16:13 mircea_popescu: when $empire$ does it, let it irk you ; when $republic$ does it, let you not notice.
07:58 mircea_popescu and speaking of which, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743518 prolly needs to be addressed better than the original "i wouldn't give a shit" : i'm ready to take over the governance of the entire world from the hands of the inept pretenders of today, as of yesterday. the result would be very ~different~, yes, but that's irrelevant.
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07:58 a111 Logged on 2017-11-28 04:01 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743510 << betcha mircea_popescu would conclusively barf long before a thousand, much less 4b, were to show up, with their inevitable and loathesome moan 'unfair! virii stole me coinz', 'my gox stole!' and similar leprosies
08:06 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
08:06 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9860.0, vol: 9604.09387645 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 9820.0, vol: 45529.0680051 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9768.5, vol: 2573.68892591 | Volume-weighted last average: 9824.36029296
08:06 mircea_popescu dun dun DUN!
08:06 BingoBoingo Ny how the OMG Crashing tickles
08:07 BingoBoingo *My
08:08 mircea_popescu recall when usg got all butthurt over its bch failure and was going to crash bitcoin nao ?
08:08 BingoBoingo AHA, this weekend. Crashing very well
08:09 mircea_popescu to quote some anon dork, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-26#1743126
08:09 a111 Logged on 2017-11-26 03:19 mircea_popescu: and in other "we are the asswipes, we programatically cut the very branch we sit on" lulz, "we did not choose the "new rothchilds" nor do we want them. if bitcoin cash is a means to stop these people then it appears that the votes are being cast as we speak. if bitcoin cash is just another version of the "new rothchilds" then the votes will be cast for the next usurper. there will always be an underdog".
08:09 mircea_popescu THERE WILL ALWAYS BE AN UNDERDOG!!!
08:10 mircea_popescu usg will survive as provider of toilet paper!!!
08:10 mircea_popescu #NotDeadYet
08:14 diana_coman mircea_popescu, peasants of 1800 did not have the option of plastic or they'd have taken it just the same; that being said I still recall the communist-ro going precisely that route e.g. have now this here wonderful soya-oil just as good as the "true thing" which supposedly was... sunflower oil because nobody was supposed to even remember olive oil
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08:14 mircea_popescu diana_coman do you recall the communist era crocs ?
08:14 diana_coman crocs?
08:15 mircea_popescu they had these whole-plastic sandals for little girls. which poor girls wore, and which were an insta-ban from mp's circles.
08:15 mircea_popescu diana_coman lemme see if i can fish a pic somehiw
08:15 diana_coman ugh, I thought those were modern day idiocy
08:15 mircea_popescu nah, 100% injected plastic sandals for little girls. well boys too i guess, if they were faggots.
08:15 diana_coman I remember plain and honest mud-country "gumari" and I still hated them, lol
08:15 mircea_popescu rubberized wellingtons make sense. not as leisurewear, but legit work garb.
08:16 diana_coman yes, exactly; tbh I hated the *mud* that made them a necessity, myeah
08:16 mircea_popescu so you have no recollection of this item ? i could fucking draw it. came in absurd colors too, like plastic-purple or plastic-orange
08:16 mircea_popescu you could tell the composition by the palette it supported.
08:17 diana_coman no, I don't; we always had leather shoes/sandals and I suppose I did not really notice much what others had for shoes
08:17 diana_coman at the time
08:17 diana_coman somehow not-leather meant not-shoe; and tbh romania really was good at making leather shoes so dunno
08:17 mircea_popescu the problem with unsystematic preservation -- teh internets dun seem to contain.
08:17 mircea_popescu yep. but ppl wore them.
08:18 diana_coman I don't doubt it; precisely my point above: they will go for whatever is cheapest available regardless of anything else
08:19 mircea_popescu http://adevarul.ro/assets/adevarul.ro/MRImage/2013/05/15/5193daf3053c7dd83f9f898d/646x404.jpg random ancient lolz
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08:20 diana_coman rather: for cheapest available that still retains the *form* of what it's supposed to be, at least to some degree; otherwise they could go barefoot one would think
08:20 mircea_popescu consider what the (immensely popular at the time) item says : "la tarani le-a luat pamintul, la studenti le-a luat cuvintul, la soferi le-a luat benzina, la prosti le facea cu mina". ie, the peasants HAD land. how ? when ? without the fucking communists the usg-alligned maniu, bratianu & friends would be STILL dithering over minor land distributions. exactly like the usgstan does.
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08:21 mircea_popescu students had the speech ? in the sense of what everloving shit, like reddit and wikipedia, that's what's contemplated here, ceausescu prevented the idiots from running r/btc as they wanted to ?
08:22 diana_coman mircea_popescu, hm; my great grandfather settled in Baragan on land that *his* father bought specifically for his sons;and the land was not 500m garden hut included either
08:22 mircea_popescu in 1940 romania "had" gasoline in the sense whore has money : as a temporary conveyance, between the time punter gives it to her to take to the pimp and the time pimp gets it. in 1980 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737815 and yet... ceausescu TOOK the driver's gasoline ? which they naturally had, somehow, as their birthright ?
08:22 a111 Logged on 2017-11-14 17:03 mircea_popescu: and then in spite of "political control" ie "containment policy" romania operated it's OWN gulf concessions with its own machinery and shipped the oil on its own boats made in its own factories.
08:22 diana_coman then he lost all the animals "colectivizare"
08:22 mircea_popescu jezuz god i hate romanians.
08:22 diana_coman and the farm land pretty much same way
08:22 mircea_popescu diana_coman yes, pre-communism romania had private land ownership, resulting in "tarani" as the genertal noun not having any land.
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08:23 diana_coman he considered himself peasant, waht
08:23 mircea_popescu i suppose the criticism is that "he reduced land diffusion, in that changed a situation where 10% owned some land to a situation where 0% owned some land"
08:23 mircea_popescu diana_coman the question is what the other peasants considered him, it's an exonym.
08:23 diana_coman on the other side, grandfather ran away from land basically because he hated it
08:23 mircea_popescu the mud ?
08:24 diana_coman the "idiotic work" and "fucking potato soup"
08:24 diana_coman his words, I heard them lots
08:24 mircea_popescu so what, he went to north pole, lived off polar bear ?
08:25 diana_coman nope, he went away as young lad with pretty much whatever he could find; he tried them all from religious missionaries/sects/whatevers to singing; in the end he settled in town and worked as a worker in a factory, saved, bought some land, built the house *with his own hands* etc
08:26 mircea_popescu poor rural modern (and i guess postmodern) societies will eat potato, it's exactly a "cheapest available" item as per above.
08:26 diana_coman well yes, funnily enough his family was certainly poorer than those on the other side, yes; still, he actually made more for himself overall
08:27 mircea_popescu an interesting application of http://trilema.com/2013/the-dead-jew-and-the-raped-girl/ i guess! guy came up with the correct strategy, and tried to implement.
08:27 mircea_popescu failed because, obviously, guy.
08:27 diana_coman and ftr he always kept a perfectly well-worked garden ; at some point he even sold his produce in the market
08:28 diana_coman so it wasn't either work or mud that he ran away from; it really was as he stated it the idiocy
08:28 mircea_popescu i never quite understood why gardening is universally popular.
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08:28 diana_coman to his mind the land was wasted otherwise, waht
08:28 diana_coman yes, there were trees too, grapes, place to eat outside etc; but still!
08:31 mircea_popescu yes but field work, such as wheat, is very amenable to mecanization. gardening, barely if at all. if you hate the idiocy of mother nature (which i fuklly understand, caragiale's "da, duioasa mama ce-i drept... trebuie numa' s-o bati sa-i singerezi sinul pina sa se-ndure sa-ti dea o picatura de lapte..." is a great understatement, there's nothing more loatefuly and despicable than "mother" nature) you'd expect you'd prefer its
08:31 mircea_popescu vulnerable parts.
08:33 diana_coman eh, what mecanization at that time and place
08:33 mircea_popescu (because yes, that's the competitive explanation of "idiocy" such as say http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740001 : people genuinely, and literally, and most absolutely HATE nature. and for good cause and perfectly defensible reasons)
08:33 a111 Logged on 2017-11-17 04:03 mircea_popescu: ie, nobody will ever say "mad cow disease exists because usda introduced mandatory milk pasteurization in 1933 taking advantage of the 'overproduction' of milk the usg generated artificially through fucking the currency"
08:34 diana_coman I don't think he realised/understood/perceived the option or he'd have gone for it as far as I can tell otherwise
08:36 mircea_popescu diana_coman they had it ; leaving aside the "check out us/canada machinery cca 1920", they had it in romania. http://trilema.com/2011/romanii-sunt-cam-fraieri/ printed item had advertisements on other side.
08:37 mircea_popescu you can't go through any printed publication pre 1930 without running into at least an advertisement for used steam powered farm machinery as well as for new gasoline stuff.
08:38 diana_coman he was born in 1920; fwiw even now in villages I still see them manually doing the work, what can I say
08:39 diana_coman I'm sure there were machines at that time, yes
08:39 diana_coman my point was there were none in his village/that he had a chance to even see at work /as an option before screwing it all and leaving rather than anything else
08:40 mircea_popescu (the subtler point being that look, romanians not even capable of administering their own beerhall, what farm machinery)
08:41 diana_coman that I have ample and repeated proof of, absolutely
08:41 mircea_popescu diana_coman i suspect this goes right to babbage's point. to paraphrase, "i prefer living in america because when i explain something the british idiots dedicate themselves to rpoving to me orally how it couldn't work while the yanks are strictly focused on how it could be sold)
08:42 mircea_popescu there are inept places full of self-important idiots (imparati in ancient trilema lingo) where defection is the only available strategy.
08:42 diana_coman quite how I see it, yes
08:42 mircea_popescu this eternal duality "but what proof do you have ? and what proof do you have that your proof is proofing ???" vs "ok, so what do i do".
08:43 mircea_popescu and turn it as i might, i can't separate the former from the hallucination of self-determination. rural "king of the world" in decayed to death sicily, dying british empire, romania throughout and recently the us cultural space imagines himself... in a position to... MAKE DECISIONS!!! has options! may at his leisure obey republic or not. and so on.
08:46 mircea_popescu discussions of "rape" in the public space today, as discussions of "unfairness" in the same public space a century ago are then all meaningless in the direct, simple manifestations of a doomed culture. "oh noes, our precious imaginary superiority was insulted by reality, there's a hole in the matrix through which you can perceive you AREN'T the single playing character in a WoWoW".
08:50 diana_coman you know, this "fairness" thing doesn't stand 10 minutes face with reality even through a child's eyes; if only s/he doesn't try with all might to not look or something
08:51 mircea_popescu depends how old.
08:51 mircea_popescu prepubescent kid, right you are. but then with puberty the problems begin.
08:52 mircea_popescu socialism is naught else but a condensed 13yo, or at least all its anxieties and miscomprehensions, distilled into ideological form.
~ 54 minutes ~
09:47 mircea_popescu and for teh rotaku club : mp three months before discovering bitcoin, explaining why and wherefore it;s needed. http://trilema.com/2011/izvoarele-moralei/
09:56 asciilifeform oh neato
09:56 * asciilifeform reads..
10:03 asciilifeform meanwhile in heathendom, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-22#1742144 << >> https://archive.is/LHmQD
10:03 a111 Logged on 2017-11-22 18:05 asciilifeform: in other noose, sci-hub.cc dun resolve nomoar.
10:12 mircea_popescu heh
10:13 mircea_popescu and STILL will not speak of how optional dns is.
10:14 mircea_popescu o look, it's in there, some "professor of publishing".
10:23 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743671 << lol, 'hi-fi tomatoes and cucumbers' ?!
10:23 a111 Logged on 2017-11-28 13:19 mircea_popescu: http://adevarul.ro/assets/adevarul.ro/MRImage/2013/05/15/5193daf3053c7dd83f9f898d/646x404.jpg random ancient lolz
10:24 mircea_popescu aha.
10:24 mircea_popescu "pioneer the japanese corp is now growing tomatoes"
10:39 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743639 << ? >> http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-02#699078
10:39 a111 Logged on 2017-11-28 12:58 mircea_popescu: and speaking of which, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743518 prolly needs to be addressed better than the original "i wouldn't give a shit" : i'm ready to take over the governance of the entire world from the hands of the inept pretenders of today, as of yesterday. the result would be very ~different~, yes, but that's irrelevant.
10:39 a111 Logged on 2014-06-02 18:30 mircea_popescu: Up until recently it was practically impossible to become embroiled into any sort of dealing with the subgroup, their ownership being strictly assumed and their lives strictly subsumed by the corporations competent at dealing with the human cattle : fastfood providers, supermarkets, the government. Both as employers and providers these specialised bureaucracies have the necessary tools, including cattle prods (or what
10:39 asciilifeform ( wouljda really want to herd cattle all day, every day, mircea_popescu ? )
10:41 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743653 << you'd be quite surprised at the variety of faux-olive oils in usa. errything from avocado to old tyres, i suspect
10:41 a111 Logged on 2017-11-28 13:14 diana_coman: mircea_popescu, peasants of 1800 did not have the option of plastic or they'd have taken it just the same; that being said I still recall the communist-ro going precisely that route e.g. have now this here wonderful soya-oil just as good as the "true thing" which supposedly was... sunflower oil because nobody was supposed to even remember olive oil
10:43 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743673 << in ru , 'the glory of the ancien regime' types get the label 'хруст французской булки'
10:43 a111 Logged on 2017-11-28 13:20 mircea_popescu: consider what the (immensely popular at the time) item says : "la tarani le-a luat pamintul, la studenti le-a luat cuvintul, la soferi le-a luat benzina, la prosti le facea cu mina". ie, the peasants HAD land. how ? when ? without the fucking communists the usg-alligned maniu, bratianu & friends would be STILL dithering over minor land distributions. exactly like the usgstan does.
10:44 asciilifeform ( from a fantasy-nostalgia song that contained said line , 'Как упоительны в России вечера, Любовь, шампанское, закаты, переулки. Ах, лето красное, забавы и прогулки, Как упоительны в России вечера. Балы, красавицы, лакеи, юнкера, И вальсы Шуберта, и хруст французской б
10:44 asciilifeform улки ...' )
10:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what do you think it is i do, all day every day ?
10:46 asciilifeform dunno, herd ocelots ?
10:46 asciilifeform or other selected, exotic beasts. but surely not cow.
10:48 asciilifeform re peasants -- dim-witted westerners of prev generation ( current ones have nfi and dun give half a shit even if you plug'em into the mains wiring ) thought that somehow communism happened because of malevolent martians landing, rather than from http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743681
10:48 a111 Logged on 2017-11-28 13:22 mircea_popescu: diana_coman yes, pre-communism romania had private land ownership, resulting in "tarani" as the genertal noun not having any land.
10:48 mircea_popescu and they come from what ?
10:49 asciilifeform i've nfi from what. from the wild.
10:50 mircea_popescu lol
10:50 mircea_popescu andf that "wild" is ?
10:51 asciilifeform the saeculum, presided over by various herdemoocracies etc ?
10:51 mircea_popescu so how do you secrete a wall between this and cows all day ?
10:52 asciilifeform well specifically i picture mircea_popescu as moar of a hunter than a farmer
10:52 mircea_popescu do you think these categories are distinguishable ? modern hunter === modern farmer.
10:53 asciilifeform hunter doesn't concern himself with every piece of fungus in the forest, he walks in and shoots the tastiest-looking thing he knows how to get a bead on, neh
10:53 asciilifeform farmer -- concerned with fungi.
10:53 mircea_popescu this is purely an artefact of interpretative ballet.
10:53 asciilifeform and stuck with the chore of running a faux ecosystem with own hands, feeding the defective piglets to the proper ones, etc
10:53 asciilifeform hm?
10:54 mircea_popescu hunter, concerns, inasmuch as he bothers to notice frog is frog does not shoot at frog ; farmer, doesn't concern, in asmuch as doesn't go out picking thistle.
10:57 asciilifeform hunter takes the forest as it is; farmer otoh is running a pretend-herdemoocracy-forest where calorie-dense seeds appear in rather unlikely densities ( as reviewed in http://trilema.com/2014/in-which-you-become-grain )
10:59 asciilifeform farmer pushes the boulder uphill, and is stuck with 9000 types of 'naturam expellas furca tamen usque recurret' (tm)(r) chores.
11:00 mircea_popescu this is nonsense, but it also has exhausted my budget.
11:02 asciilifeform if mircea_popescu at some later point feels like showing how farmer and hunter are exactly same thing, i'll listen.
11:03 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743697 << i suspect... marx! has the pill here. entfremdung der arbeit (tm)(r)
11:03 a111 Logged on 2017-11-28 13:28 mircea_popescu: i never quite understood why gardening is universally popular.
11:04 asciilifeform !#s while you sleep
11:04 a111 37 results for "while you sleep", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=while%20you%20sleep
11:05 asciilifeform quite a few folx, esp. the mentally limited, are irresistibly drawn to anything that smells of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-01-19#449500
11:05 a111 Logged on 2014-01-19 19:48 mircea_popescu: i came to it studying the warrior forum (*) years ago, when i noticed the unifying factor in all their textual emissions was a desire to "make money while you sleep".
11:12 asciilifeform an incidentally interesting bit is that gardens are an 'unprincipled exception' in usgdom just as they were in su. theoretically a garden aficionado owes every 4th tomato or whatever his 'bracket' is, to usg, as tax; things that grow from the ground count, famously, as 'income' -- even if not sold -- per 'wickard v. filburn'
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11:14 asciilifeform it may even already be the case that the cost of a ~proper~ (i.e. non-poisoned) vegetable in usgdom from the specialty shop, counting the multiple taxation (of yer own money, as 'income', of the sale, as state 'sales tax', of the growers', of the landlord's, etc ) layers, equals or exceeds the cost of growing it with own hands in a garden.
11:14 asciilifeform !#s wickard
11:14 a111 8 results for "wickard", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=wickard
11:15 asciilifeform ^ apparently already visited.
11:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform your notion is anachronistic, in the sense that it compares a "hunter" cut out of the 10k years ago subsistence hunter contained in the expression hunter-gatherer with the modern farmer. you can't cross time boundries like that. modern hunter is modern in exactly the same way modern farmer is modern, and for the same reasons. historical "farmer" is just as primitive as the hunter, which is why it's even called
11:15 mircea_popescu gatherer as opposed to farmer.
11:16 asciilifeform in the sense of him being a tentacle on a gigantic farming-powered civilization, that made his rifle, his shirt, his truck -- yea
11:16 mircea_popescu and in the sense that he has the choice to either put mangers in and fill them every winter or be forest walker ; and that he either obeys "hunting season" or idem ; and so on.
11:17 asciilifeform i didn't say that i saw mircea_popescu as ~modern~ hunter, lol
11:17 asciilifeform nah, proper one, in bear skin, with spear, etc.
11:17 mircea_popescu modernity is modernity, there's no out of it. once you walked around your cage, it's walked, there's no undoing it.
11:17 mircea_popescu this being the only proper definition of modernity : man after finally having walked the perimeter of his cage.
11:17 mircea_popescu "age of exploration" aite.
11:18 asciilifeform there's also such a thing as countermodernity tho
11:18 asciilifeform sawing through the cage.
11:18 mircea_popescu in the sense there's a thing as countericecream
11:18 mircea_popescu frozen yogurt stilll icecream.
11:19 asciilifeform the herdemoocracy narrative is that steam power made clitler inescapable. i dun buy.
11:19 asciilifeform ( or alternatively if you prefer http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672530 )
11:19 a111 Logged on 2017-06-20 17:19 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: stalin, supposedly, once said to his friends, 'history divides into three eras, matriarchate, patriarchate, and secretariate'
11:20 mircea_popescu all "sawing through the cage" proposals i've seen to date (and a major part of what i do is look for exactly that) consist of either idle wankery (german philosophy school etc) or else "here's how to cut a two inch hole in the wall, stick a paper bag out of there, and duct tape it to the hole from outside". ty... but... this replaces a wall with a paper bag ? "yes, but it goes FURTHER OUT!!" sure, but i still know it like my
11:20 mircea_popescu own pocket ? "well of course... what did you expect ?" honestly, nothing much.
11:21 mircea_popescu there's no going back to a state of innocence, whereby "we don't know what's at the end of the earth". thereby, there's no going back to a state where we will ever do anything other than sift through herds looking for the accidentally lost woman in an inexplicable sheepskin.
11:21 mircea_popescu which reduces to, "most of your time, and most of your women's time, will be spent with cows."
11:22 asciilifeform i'll point out, for completeness, the traditional alternatives of: the bottle, and the library
11:22 asciilifeform 0 cows in either
11:22 mircea_popescu wankery.
11:22 asciilifeform and wankery!11
11:22 mircea_popescu no. THOSE are wankery.
11:23 asciilifeform well if defining walking around with an unenclosed cock as necessarily wankery -- then yes
11:23 mircea_popescu wankery is the adolescentine state whereby the things we don't look at aren't there because the power of our imagination makes the playboy girl real!
11:24 asciilifeform [insert 'literacy is sin, as the reader sees things that ain't there' thread here]
11:24 mircea_popescu which incidentally provides the explanation for http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-24#1742829 as plain as day.
11:24 a111 Logged on 2017-11-24 05:34 mircea_popescu: one day i'll understand how this sense-nonsense alloying works.
11:25 mircea_popescu "lifetime wanker will have adapted to his lifestyle". oh... you don't say.
11:28 asciilifeform there might still be a few chukchas left somewhere who properly practice the virtue of 'never see a thing that ain't there' . the folx who shown a novel answer 'why'
11:28 mircea_popescu you'd be surprised what % of current "novels" fail this simple test.
11:29 asciilifeform this also. and the detritus eventually clogs the arteries of whatever culture produced it.
11:29 mircea_popescu anyway, the problem, as that wise doctor pointed out, isn't when you start hearing voices, but when you start talking back.
11:29 mircea_popescu it's one thing to see things thatr aren't there. for as long as you live in the world of things that are there. once you move to living in the unreal...
11:29 asciilifeform see possibly also the thread with faraday and his magnetic field lines.
11:30 asciilifeform 'dreamer' culture is somewhat like a school of pilotage absent the landing.
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11:30 asciilifeform ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-05#548254 )
11:30 a111 Logged on 2014-03-05 23:06 asciilifeform: the 'time microscope' thing is typical of aging inventors who, by virtue of being cut off from competent peers (either by having none alive, or being on the wrong side of a jail of one kind or another)
11:33 asciilifeform there's 2 possible uses of abstraction -- a) to move between places in reality phase space that aren't walkable to via greedy algorithm ( e.g. tractor is not a minor refinement on horse-drawn plow ) b) to pull own cock
11:34 asciilifeform when folx begin to see reality as 'read-only', they retreat into full-bore (b) .
11:36 asciilifeform i'll recount an episode recently reported by asciilifeform's pet, on reconnaissance into a heathen pit . two d00dz argued re 'post-rsa crypto'. and one drew forth from his sleeve an erudite wankery, n-th generation stolen from thel0gz! : 'why not cipher using playing field of cellular automaton, say, game of life, initial state as key...'
11:38 asciilifeform witness the traditional 'tlp' symptoms of walking around with no inclination to ~try~ such a thing, or anything at all, with own hands, and see why this dun work with any known automaton ruleset ( do i have to say why, or readers already know ? )
11:42 asciilifeform ( i'm rot13 the answ to riddle : gurer vf ab xabja jnl gb thnenagrr na vavgvny jbeyq fgngr gung qbrfa'g dhvpxyl pbairetr vagb n svkrq fgrnql fgngr, be n ernfbanoyl fubeg ybbc (juvpu tvirf gevivnyyl oernxnoyr pvcuregrkg) -- vg vf rknpgyl gur fnzr vgrz nf gur 'lrf vg'f na ac-pbzcyrgr ceboyrz, ohg ubj gb thnenagrr gung n enaqbzyl trarengrq vafgnapr vf abg gevivny?' )
11:43 asciilifeform but it's a trivially discoverable fact, for people who actually bothered with the subj beyond chitchat.
11:50 * asciilifeform bbl,meat
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12:56 asciilifeform !~ticker --market all
12:56 jhvh1 asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9915.01, vol: 9889.25891721 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 9910.1, vol: 43921.30261443 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9846.5, vol: 2382.27948271 | Volume-weighted last average: 9908.26779661
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13:41 mod6 hai
13:41 asciilifeform ohai mod6
13:42 mod6 how goes ascii?
13:43 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-27#1743378 slowly
13:43 a111 Logged on 2017-11-27 20:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've cut ffa into 30 pieces, each ~1 pg; -> bl0g article.
13:44 asciilifeform and continued headaching over http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-27#1743395
13:44 a111 Logged on 2017-11-27 20:40 asciilifeform: currently asciilifeform is barfing over the fact that adacore's gnat is happy to build static 'independent library' .a while gpl gcc's gnat barfs
13:46 mod6 huh.
13:58 asciilifeform mod6: it's an afaik unjustifiable divergence in how the 2 gnats' 'gprbuild' util behaves.
13:59 mod6 ugh.
14:00 mod6 and adacore's is supposed to be canonical im guessing?
14:01 asciilifeform on some far-away planet, there is a standard sane os and language standards cover linking.
14:01 asciilifeform but not here.
14:01 mod6 fair enough
14:02 asciilifeform and i dun have any particular warm feelings for either set of derps
14:03 asciilifeform ( gnu-gnat or adacore-gnat people )
14:03 mod6 *nod*
14:03 asciilifeform the former seem to exist solely by mooching from the latter -- who largely eat from usg
14:03 mod6 basically my mental picture of the whole thing
14:04 asciilifeform but otherwise http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-27#1743398 so far.
14:04 a111 Logged on 2017-11-27 20:42 asciilifeform: i'd naively expect that adacore's item would be the satanic one, and gcc's fork -- the functional. but so far in no case was this the finding.
14:09 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743816 << this is actually a pretty great point. yes, exactly.
14:09 a111 Logged on 2017-11-28 16:30 asciilifeform: 'dreamer' culture is somewhat like a school of pilotage absent the landing.
14:11 mircea_popescu tractor, while just as real as oxplow, is nevertheless no kind of oxplow ; sewing machine, while just as sewy as sewing by hand, nevertheless not a mechanical sewing hand ; airplane, while just as aflight as bird, nevertheless not mechanical wing flapper. and so on.
14:12 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743827 << a damn, i missed the big moment ?
14:12 a111 Logged on 2017-11-28 17:56 jhvh1: asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9915.01, vol: 9889.25891721 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 9910.1, vol: 43921.30261443 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9846.5, vol: 2382.27948271 | Volume-weighted last average: 9908.26779661
14:12 mircea_popescu 10k, bitch. where's your government now ?
14:12 asciilifeform eh to quote mircea_popescu , who the hell cares what happens at a gox
14:12 mircea_popescu the gox ppls!
14:13 mircea_popescu same idiots as "o noes, unforkable bitcoin is not valuable!!11" continuously since 2013.
14:13 asciilifeform to the extent they actually do something other than generate and post random numbers -- sure
14:19 ben_vulpes and in other censorsheeps http://www.business-review.eu/news/certain-facebook-users-in-romania-see-content-related-to-street-protests-reviewed-under-community-standards-153255
14:19 asciilifeform 'The common notification from Facebook was that the post was under review to see if it breached the community standards. Other posts about the protests were suspected by Facebook of being spam.' << lol!!
14:21 mircea_popescu doh.
14:21 mod6 Let them filter spam.
14:21 ben_vulpes mod6: antoinette reference?
14:22 mod6 maaaaybe
14:22 mod6 :D
14:22 ben_vulpes "we don't have any real news!" "eh, let them filter spam."
14:23 ben_vulpes could also be a "pound sand" replacement: "eh, filter spam"
14:23 asciilifeform oh noez colourrevolution enzyme aint supposed to digest godly usg-approved muppetstate!11
14:24 mircea_popescu ftr : romanian "protests" entirely usg fabrication, https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2017/11/275899.htm etc. the way this gets implemented in practice is that local usg-alligned orcs "leverage their network". which in romania is a few kids with "network skillz", ie two bit "blackhatwordld" injuns/niggers.
14:25 mod6 2 girls, 1 crimper
14:26 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/amintiri-de-la-revolutia-lui-calafat/ << EXACT same item, same people, same props, same everything, 5years ago.
14:26 asciilifeform lol ro majdan
14:29 mircea_popescu anyway, the whole thing is "we captured the ro judiciary, the wave turned, we're trying to defend this asset for now".
14:29 mircea_popescu it won't hold.
14:29 asciilifeform captured for what? the 'corruption' racket ?
14:29 mircea_popescu yup.
14:29 asciilifeform aa
14:30 mircea_popescu "don't vote for x, he not only would confiscate our constanta base BUT IS VERY CORRUPT" sorta bs.
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14:30 mircea_popescu somehow the idiots didn't see that whole thing for the trap it was. "first, let them build it, doh"
14:32 mircea_popescu (the geostrategic situation, for the very understandably disinterested, is that usg can not maintain pretense of mediteranean presence without ground missiles in constanta, because the ru navy actually works whereas the us clittorals do not.)
14:32 asciilifeform turks not enuff ?
14:32 mircea_popescu nope. russians can now jam. either you get them next to sevastopol or forget it.
14:33 mircea_popescu thereby "corruption = the rent is about to go up ~1`984x"
14:34 asciilifeform hey if usg ~to this day~ has gitmo, inside a cuba, for 0 rent, why not costanta
14:34 mircea_popescu because what trhe fuck is cuba.
14:35 asciilifeform dunno, small bananistan with a surprisingly successful history of expelling usg ?
14:36 mircea_popescu islands dude. islands are undefensible.
14:37 asciilifeform dunno, castro defended for 50y
14:38 mircea_popescu ended in the 70s, so not really.
14:38 mircea_popescu coupla decades.
14:38 asciilifeform ended??
14:38 mircea_popescu yeah.
14:38 asciilifeform how's that
14:38 asciilifeform afaik usg Official Truth to this day is 'cuba Must Die'
14:38 mircea_popescu i don't recall castro making any decision in the kennedy ultimatum, at any juncture.
14:39 asciilifeform the bay of pigs folx got their arse handed to'em neh
14:39 mircea_popescu if hruschev went "well, it's up to castro", then defended.
14:39 asciilifeform cuba not overrun even after hrusch withdrew
14:39 asciilifeform why not ?
14:40 mircea_popescu same reason you didn't rape some fatty.
14:40 mircea_popescu "not overrun" but i don't see it sending agents to blow up dept of state trashbins.
14:40 asciilifeform i'm not sold that this fatty was fat. ru signals base happily churned along in cuba until '93 or so
14:41 mircea_popescu at some point, cuba was exactly 1980s libya, attacked usg frigates in port and paid people to bomb
14:41 asciilifeform libya had petro moneys
14:41 asciilifeform cuba -- poor
14:42 mircea_popescu for whatever reason it may have occured.
14:42 asciilifeform iirc stopped with the frigates when su so ordered.
14:42 asciilifeform ( cuba, that is )
14:42 mircea_popescu more like, when stalin died. cuba was international socialism thing. like mexico.
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16:14 asciilifeform !~ticker --market all
16:14 jhvh1 asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9872.54, vol: 10977.65162483 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 9889.0, vol: 48178.83177407 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9786.0, vol: 2454.29600468 | Volume-weighted last average: 9881.96414299
16:14 asciilifeform ... epic goxlag tho.
16:15 ben_vulpes REEEEEEEEEESPONSIBLE DISCLOSUREEEEEEEEE https://twitter.com/lemiorhan/status/935578694541770752
16:17 asciilifeform pretty great.
16:19 ben_vulpes the responsible disclosure whining is pretty lolarious
16:29 mircea_popescu the expectation on the part of the usg drones that usg gets a private first pass for being usg is something else.
16:30 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all --currency eur
16:30 mircea_popescu somehow "criminal" isn't supposed to FIRST be notified PRIVATELY about how usg aims to assault.
16:30 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitfinex BTCEUR last: 8312.9, vol: 1584.62517085 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 8280.0, vol: 6766.91938897 | Volume-weighted last average: 8286.24245824
16:30 mircea_popescu this is what's gonna be the new response to police "arrest" : you DID first send a PM right ?
16:38 mod6 <+ben_vulpes> the responsible disclosure whining is pretty lolarious << very.
16:39 asciilifeform !!up The20YearIRCloud
16:39 deedbot The20YearIRCloud voiced for 30 minutes.
16:39 The20YearIRCloud I feel special now
16:40 asciilifeform The20YearIRCloud: looking for anything in particular ?
16:40 The20YearIRCloud Not so much, just wondered what happened to the exchange, or if i'm missing something
16:41 The20YearIRCloud and bitbet or whateverit was called
16:44 ben_vulpes The20YearIRCloud: there are logs, nobody is going to read them for you.
16:44 ben_vulpes if you're keeping up, you're falling behind.
16:44 ben_vulpes not* keeping up
16:46 The20YearIRCloud yay
16:51 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743697 << I suspected it was the appeal of contest in attempting to carve out a local space where one tries to out-God the Gods
16:51 a111 Logged on 2017-11-28 13:28 mircea_popescu: i never quite understood why gardening is universally popular.
16:52 mircea_popescu so you can watch every single bug and worm piss on you from high above ?
16:52 BingoBoingo And smite the ones you spot, learn from the experience and bring a better game next season. Very much a resistance of the medium sorta thing.
16:53 mircea_popescu the trick with Gods is that they're not fucking Atlas, supporting the world on own shoulder each and every day or else. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-07#1448124 very much apropos.
16:53 a111 Logged on 2016-04-07 17:50 mircea_popescu: basically, all the architecture systems architects have managed yet to produce is the equivalent of "we need 10.1k builders - 100 to build and 10k to hold up the walls once we're done".
16:54 BingoBoingo Hey, if the Gods raid your playing god patch with a bunch of voracious bunny rabbit mobs, then you've gardened delicious rabbit
16:56 BingoBoingo And not all gardening is food. There's also the decorative gardens for getting randy with the ladies
16:56 mircea_popescu i've been making candlewax garden of late. shit's fun.
16:57 * BingoBoingo plans to wait at least one year before trying to terraform any corners or Uruguay
16:58 mircea_popescu good idea.
16:58 mircea_popescu at least cursory familiarity with the poisonous plants pre-required
17:03 The20YearIRCloud mircea_popescu: I had someone ask about those posters if they were valid today, oddly enough
17:03 The20YearIRCloud (Thus me finding the chat again)
17:03 mircea_popescu the who ?
17:03 The20YearIRCloud The posters you paid for, ~3yrs ago
17:03 mircea_popescu link ?
17:04 mircea_popescu i have paid for so many posters... what is this, the pili thing ?
17:04 The20YearIRCloud for property tenants of my company, 2-3 years ago, gave out a bunch of posters to ungreatful tenants whom you offered 0.5btc to
17:04 mircea_popescu ahahahaha
17:04 mircea_popescu oookay.
17:05 mircea_popescu send them to http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/
17:05 The20YearIRCloud ha ha ha, i actually thought about that
17:05 The20YearIRCloud Are you still paying 0.02?
17:06 mircea_popescu yes.
17:06 The20YearIRCloud Dang, that's a bit generous, don't you think?
17:06 mircea_popescu yes.
17:06 mircea_popescu but hey, 0.5 was also VERY generous ; and in general everything i do is. meanwhile the fucktards http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743513
17:06 a111 Logged on 2017-11-28 03:39 mircea_popescu: somehow if the usg website comes up with "it's illegal to smoke", they stop smoking, AS FUCKING IF. whereas when the republic orders, they "have options".
17:07 The20YearIRCloud I'll let em know. For some reason I have t his awful feeling they'll be more apt for that then to take the freebie offered years ago
17:07 mircea_popescu of course.
17:07 The20YearIRCloud 0.5 was fantastically generous at the time (It was like $50 if memory serves me right), but like i said, and I could find the chat log, i was (And continue to deal with) idiots on a daily basis
17:08 mircea_popescu !!ratings The20YearIRCloud
17:08 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bodzD/?raw=true
17:08 The20YearIRCloud new system?
17:08 mircea_popescu !!key The20YearIRCloud
17:08 deedbot Not registered.
17:08 mircea_popescu not really.
17:08 mircea_popescu rather i expect new name ?
17:09 The20YearIRCloud possibly, it was just the20year earlier
17:10 mircea_popescu !!ratings The20Year
17:10 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/U06qL/?raw=true
17:10 mircea_popescu !!reputation The20Year
17:10 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Jz0eA/?raw=true
17:12 mircea_popescu trinque did i mention how great eg http://wot.deedbot.org/0FC17787D364466DC5686B4F31AF6822CA3B400F.html is recently ?
17:13 trinque not bad eh?
17:13 mircea_popescu perfect.
17:16 BingoBoingo Poor The20YearIRCloud , insufficient ratings to bid for colo space
17:23 BingoBoingo Recovery from Havelol will prolly take substantial tit wrangling
17:28 mircea_popescu apparently the expectation is that 3 year rule.
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18:30 BingoBoingo What was that again? Shame, disappear for 3 years and slave away in the tit mines?
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18:43 BingoBoingo In gr8 gardenings http://trilema.com/2013/growin-my-own/
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20:38 * asciilifeform yet again, for 3rd time in 2 yrs, attempted and failed to build a 'zero foot print runtime' for gnat -- to abolish the 3MB of liquishit it shits into every executable.
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20:39 asciilifeform supposedly this is one of the items included in the 'pro' payware gnat. and they have made re-creating it as painful as they could.
20:41 asciilifeform funnily enough adacore itself publishes a great many cut-down runtimes for various embedded boxes, e.g. https://bitbucket.org/tkoskine/embedded-arm-gnat-rts/src . BUT they are not usable: 1) there is -- quite deliberately -- not one targeting conventional userland linux 2) none of them support exception handling, which wouldn't be a problem except that ALL BOUNDS CHECKS ARE EXCEPTIONTRONIC
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20:42 asciilifeform see , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741741 , but a RUNNABLE linked elf is multi-MB and full of turd and quite unauditable.
20:42 a111 Logged on 2017-11-21 18:36 asciilifeform: in other noose, ffa elf on x86-64 with no inlinings and stripped .a , is ~50kB
20:46 asciilifeform the approach to making a rts ( gnatruntime ) from 0, depicted in e.g. https://github.com/alkhimey/Ada_Kernel_Module_Toolkit works -- but does not result in a ffa-usable rts , because the boundschecking exceptionhandlers are not present.
20:47 asciilifeform so the next logical thing is, you go and find where yer gnat's a-except.adb/ads live, and try and backport'em, right ?
20:47 asciilifeform but then welcome to an inner circle of hell, because it's a mass of ??? interdependently glued to itself with broken glass
20:48 asciilifeform ( hey lamer, you wanted No_Secondary_Stack restriction ? fuck you, we used variable-length strings for the exception message passing. and 9,001 of similar item. )
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20:50 ben_vulpes brutal
20:51 asciilifeform oh that ain't all
20:51 ben_vulpes lol go on?
20:51 asciilifeform bonus hell : if you want to build a rts, you gotta use "-gnatg" flag. or you get:
20:51 asciilifeform 'user-defined descendants of package System are not allowed'
20:51 asciilifeform and ditto package Ada ( exceptions ) and pretty much the rest of your rts
20:51 asciilifeform now for the ultimate barf :
20:52 asciilifeform the docs ( https://docs.adacore.com/gnat_ugn-docs/html/gnat_ugn/gnat_ugn/building_executable_programs_with_gnat.html ) but gnu's agree give us:
20:52 asciilifeform 'Internal GNAT implementation mode. This should not be used for applications programs, it is intended only for use by the compiler and its run-time library. For documentation, see the GNAT sources. Note that -gnatg implies -gnatw.ge and -gnatyg so that all standard warnings and all standard style options are turned on. All warnings and style messages are treated as errors.'
20:52 asciilifeform this means 1) no docs. at. all
20:53 asciilifeform 2) style fascism is turned on AND CANNOT BE TURNED OFF
20:53 asciilifeform which means that none of my code even builds, because gnat then insists on adacore's idiotic massive-extra-spaces-everywhere stylistics.
20:53 ben_vulpes are these stylistics part of the spec or what
20:53 asciilifeform nope.
20:54 asciilifeform they are part of they-don't-want-you-to-do-this.
20:54 asciilifeform it's a sabotaged proggy.
20:54 asciilifeform the tentative conclusion : asciilifeform is condemned to take ownership of gnat, and burn out the nonsense with hot irons.
20:55 asciilifeform i'ma have to do it after ffa/p tho. but really this is ridiculous, the built binaries are not auditable until we extirpate the ball of nonsense.
20:56 ben_vulpes sad stuff, asciilifeform .
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20:56 asciilifeform ffa.a stripped is 50kB; 'hello world' without anything whatsoever, null procedure, is 3.5MB
20:56 asciilifeform ( stripped -- 1 or so )
20:56 ben_vulpes pffflol that's epic
20:57 asciilifeform granted it's a standard lib, and contains various items like the ( spiffy, but i dun use it in p !!! ) threading system
20:57 ben_vulpes unrelatedly asciilifeform i saw you mention 'goxlag' a few times recently, is bitfinex not releasing btc?
20:58 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: goxlag , recall, was ping delay
20:58 asciilifeform whether or not the gox has transitioned to the next dwarf stage is immaterial
20:58 ben_vulpes heh verily i do not remember, 'twas not a concern
20:58 asciilifeform anyway i'ma bbl.
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21:20 mod6 <+ben_vulpes> sad stuff, asciilifeform . << uuuugh indeed.
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21:53 asciilifeform it aint just exceptions, either. gnat happily ignores the fact that strings package isn't used, and inserts a dependency on it for the linker to barf on. ditto tasks, and a dozen other.
21:55 asciilifeform for n00bz : 'rts' in ada world is approx equiv of libc.
22:02 asciilifeform !~ticker --market all
22:02 jhvh1 asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 10133.47, vol: 12721.68555284 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10135.0, vol: 52631.12235665 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9984.0, vol: 2760.11355154 | Volume-weighted last average: 10128.5953221
22:02 asciilifeform ding.
~ 28 minutes ~
22:30 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/dpo8I/?raw=true << sample rts eggogology , to round out the thread.
22:31 asciilifeform ( and yes with a c 'main.c' , otherwise motherfucker dun even have any idea where .code seg starts )
22:36 * mod6 looks
22:37 mod6 b__main.adb:(.text.adainit+0xfd): undefined reference to `ada__strings_E' << this is sad, really.
~ 58 minutes ~
23:35 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
23:35 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 10365.97, vol: 13620.94227422 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10322.0, vol: 59759.57629282 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 10270.0, vol: 3132.98027755 | Volume-weighted last average: 10327.6983129
23:35 BingoBoingo Quite the thrashing crashing
23:40 asciilifeform nao if it were to grow just oooone moar 0..!
23:41 ben_vulpes give it a half decade
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23:41 asciilifeform lol
23:42 BingoBoingo Or till March, or whatever man. Great Again cannot Make Great in a single day.
23:48 asciilifeform at current price , e.g., ro passport , costs ~75 btc.
23:49 BingoBoingo What, there's no route for earnestly living there and waiting for that next zero in .ro ?
23:50 mod6 yeah, zero
23:50 mod6 i like that better
23:51 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: only if you have a mircea_popescu-strength meat otc wot
23:54 asciilifeform as it is, asciilifeform couldn't even sell 1 btc in here in usgistan, even if wanted to.
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23:58 asciilifeform nor, for that matter, to buy.
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