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00:08 mats bitcoin-otc still lives, you know
00:09 mats at least 1 fiat broker offering cash in mail
00:10 asciilifeform lol 10k promisetronium via usgmail from rando
00:10 asciilifeform what could be better.
00:10 mats one even has an mp rating!
00:10 asciilifeform usgmail has no mprating.
00:10 mats anyone know how many megatonnes move through usg domestic mail?
00:10 asciilifeform irrelevant,
00:12 asciilifeform for some they move rembrandts, for others , like yours truly, they confiscate $5 package of screws.
00:12 mod6 haha
00:14 mats one guy's even known to fly cross country to meet clients
00:17 asciilifeform known to whom ?
00:17 asciilifeform not me.
00:17 asciilifeform and dafuq do i need a suitcase of green for inside usaschwitz.
00:24 * asciilifeform bbl,meat
00:27 mats well, if you're looking to sell, the one guy can wire, ach, bank deposit, according to listing in order book
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00:30 mats you could hawala if you don't want to give up your PII to the guy
00:31 ben_vulpes remember the good old days of bank deposits?
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00:59 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743982 you know, "all is forgotten in 3 years", like the jews' ancient "7 year festival"
00:59 a111 Logged on 2017-11-28 23:30 BingoBoingo: What was that again? Shame, disappear for 3 years and slave away in the tit mines?
01:00 BingoBoingo AH
01:00 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1743984 << what failed ? teh very detailed discussion of each of these 3, MEGA blog fodder.
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01:00 a111 Logged on 2017-11-29 01:38 asciilifeform yet again, for 3rd time in 2 yrs, attempted and failed to build a 'zero foot print runtime' for gnat -- to abolish the 3MB of liquishit it shits into every executable.
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02:10 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1743992 << jesus christ.
02:10 a111 Logged on 2017-11-29 01:48 asciilifeform: ( hey lamer, you wanted No_Secondary_Stack restriction ? fuck you, we used variable-length strings for the exception message passing. and 9,001 of similar item. )
02:13 mircea_popescu "For documentation, see the GNAT sources." bwahaha
02:15 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744011 << in fairness, it was only even said we might want to do this http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740281 ie two weeks ago.
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02:15 a111 Logged on 2017-11-29 01:56 ben_vulpes: sad stuff, asciilifeform .
02:15 a111 Logged on 2017-11-18 16:02 mircea_popescu: i would much prefer to have a v-root for whatever bios, with the binary clearly laid out, so people with the competence can take it apart.
02:17 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744035 << it was 1k this year.
02:17 a111 Logged on 2017-11-29 04:41 ben_vulpes: give it a half decade
02:17 mircea_popescu i just hope 100k doesn't happen before new year's.
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02:25 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/why-is-fighting-corruption-the-pantsuit-callsign/ << Trilema - Why is "fighting corruption" the pantsuit callsign ?
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07:43 shinohai !~ticker --market all
07:43 jhvh1 shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 10896.81, vol: 19640.93177920 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10900.0, vol: 85373.05648051 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 10948.2, vol: 5084.46936032 | Volume-weighted last average: 10901.656852
07:44 shinohai it falls to 10k
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08:05 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744071 << http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714372 and earlier still.
08:05 a111 Logged on 2017-11-29 07:15 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744011 << in fairness, it was only even said we might want to do this http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740281 ie two weeks ago.
08:05 a111 Logged on 2017-09-14 17:24 asciilifeform: ^ which does mean that i'ma have to a) audit the binary when ffa built for use in the field b) patch gcc/gnat not to emit DIV
08:05 asciilifeform safety-critical coad gets binaudited, even in heathendom
08:06 asciilifeform ( there is not , for perfectly fundamental reasons, a compiler that can be blindly trusted -- to work correctly, not even speaking of thompsonism here )
08:13 asciilifeform ( see also: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-03#1636708 )
08:13 a111 Logged on 2017-04-03 22:14 asciilifeform: incidentally the folx who designed ada, read thompson's paper. and immediately acted. which is why in ada you get 'driving stick'-style control over the compiler, the order in which it puts down routines, and data structures during 'elaboration', and can leave bread crumbs for manual binary auditor (yes) to look for when he compares (yes) binaries built on different systems for same rocket.
08:27 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744060 << lol mats why would i want it in a usg-transparent bank ?
08:27 a111 Logged on 2017-11-29 05:27 mats: well, if you're looking to sell, the one guy can wire, ach, bank deposit, according to listing in order book
08:30 asciilifeform the only thing asciilifeform would ever consider spending coinz on, is a perma-ticket out of the shitreich.
08:32 asciilifeform i dun need a barrel of green for anything ( the only place i can spend it here, is the veggie market. and at airport they confiscate any over 10k . ) nor is depositolade in usgbank of any use, obummer immediately claims half
08:32 asciilifeform pretty sure we had this thread.
08:33 asciilifeform including the oblig 'hey, i get away with it' 'because you ain't under the microscope'
08:36 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744066 << ~all the detail in yesterday's log. gnat inserts dependencies on the rts even when not only not used but pragma-restricted against e.g. secondarystack, elaboration, stringism, taskism
08:36 a111 Logged on 2017-11-29 06:00 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1743984 << what failed ? teh very detailed discussion of each of these 3, MEGA blog fodder.
08:37 asciilifeform there is a mode ( see also log ) where it doesn't insert anything, that is used traditionally to compile gnat itself. but there it hard-enforces adacore's weird style scheme, and cannot be forced not to. i'ma have to patch.
08:38 asciilifeform q nao is which gnat to patch -- and take as a pet, and genesis etc
08:40 asciilifeform ( i also haven't fully verified that the self-building mode is able to insert ~no~ spurious deps, in stock gnat )
08:41 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744076 << curious - why ?
08:41 a111 Logged on 2017-11-29 07:17 mircea_popescu: i just hope 100k doesn't happen before new year's.
08:43 asciilifeform !~ticker --market all
08:43 jhvh1 asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 10955.0, vol: 19967.78020329 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10914.0, vol: 84625.04203831 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 10821.4, vol: 5405.81666339 | Volume-weighted last average: 10916.8918573
08:45 * asciilifeform bbl,teatime
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09:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform does insert "unicode support" ? :D
09:00 mircea_popescu could be the criterion.
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09:33 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2016/liberals-what-liberals/#footnote_1_70002 << in which i discover idiocy even has a name. apparently it was CEDR, back in 2016!
09:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: oddly enough, pragma Restrictions(No_Wide_Characters) actually worx.
09:37 mircea_popescu well that's something.
09:37 asciilifeform a good chunk of'em -- work
09:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform could you just write emacs mode to fix the spacing/style ? possibly cheaper than sawing gnat apart.
09:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: looking into it.
09:38 asciilifeform i suspect it's retarded in other ways tho, and will have to be cured in the end
09:38 mircea_popescu prolly
09:40 asciilifeform see, gotta get not only auditable, but romable p. 4MB ball of ??? ain't romable.
09:41 asciilifeform ( dun think any of my opteron boxes know how to address >4MB of rom ~total~ , for instance. )
09:44 asciilifeform meanwhile, in heathendom ! https://curl.haxx.se/docs/adv_2017-af0a.html >> 'libcurl contains an out boundary access flaw in SSL related code. When allocating memory for a connection (the internal struct called connectdata), a certain amount of memory is allocated at the end of the struct to be used for SSL related structs ... The math used to calculate the extra memory amount necessary for the SSL library was wrong on 32 bit systems,
09:44 asciilifeform which made the allocated memory too small by 4 bytes. The last struct member of the last object within the memory area could then be outside... ' etc
09:44 mircea_popescu i recall reading this a while backl
09:44 asciilifeform new one.
09:45 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-16#1406884 << the prev
09:45 a111 Logged on 2016-02-16 15:59 asciilifeform: 'The glibc DNS client side resolver is vulnerable to a stack-based buffer overflow when the getaddrinfo() library function is used. Software using this function may be exploited with attacker-controlled domain names, attacker-controlled DNS servers, or through a man-in-the-middle attack.'
09:45 mircea_popescu na i meant specifically re curl
09:46 asciilifeform oh here http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1697186 is the prev.
09:46 a111 Logged on 2017-08-11 20:20 asciilifeform: and not wholly unrelatedly, https://curl.haxx.se/docs/adv_20170809C.html << libcurl 0d
09:46 asciilifeform quite similar.
09:46 mircea_popescu aha
09:47 asciilifeform and i'ma save some wear on ye olde kbd, and leave a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1697191 .
09:47 a111 Logged on 2017-08-11 20:25 asciilifeform: https://curl.haxx.se/changes.html#7_55_0 << holy SHIT that's a lengthy buglist for a proggy that... loads http and puts to stdout
09:57 asciilifeform !~later tell phf do you happen to have a copy of bolix's adatron src ? dun look like it's on the classical disk set, at least not in src form.
09:57 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
10:04 mircea_popescu aaand in alien notions of success, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj2DPynmgXU
10:05 asciilifeform lol i half-expected the cufflinks to read 'btc'
10:05 mircea_popescu lel.
10:06 mircea_popescu you know i managed to lose the pair ?
10:06 asciilifeform damn!
10:06 asciilifeform lemme guess, at sea ?
10:06 mircea_popescu nfi where they went, possibly chick ended up swallowing.
10:07 mircea_popescu also managed to misplace a 2ct diamond i used to wear in mah lapel... utter puyi operation i'm running over here.
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10:07 mircea_popescu one could live comfortably out of all the hazard-for-6-yos items i lose apparently.
10:09 asciilifeform and mouse could live for a century on the flakes of skin that fall of the elephant, why not.
10:09 asciilifeform *off
10:11 mircea_popescu iirc those cuffs were like 5 btc ? 15 ? something.
10:12 asciilifeform lol at least mircea_popescu had some cuffs for a spell. all i got for 5btc was losing to alphago and watching hitler cackle...
10:13 mircea_popescu bitter eh
10:13 asciilifeform it ain't like losing a bag of usd, or a diamond, not easy to forget.
10:14 asciilifeform the loss grows 4evah.
10:14 mircea_popescu all i got for 1k btc was averting this 2017 happening in 2014, let's call it.
10:14 mircea_popescu totally worth it, at that.
10:14 asciilifeform which 2017 ? hypothetical bubbleocalypse ?
10:14 * mircea_popescu gets to forever recall how buffett was too scared to pick up glove, and cackle.
10:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well it did go up 10x, didn't it.
10:15 asciilifeform i'm not equipped to say whether this is a problem
10:16 asciilifeform ( potentially -- lethal, potentially -- uninteresting, i have nfi )
10:16 mircea_popescu " Consider that the market is currently pricing Bitcoin over 10k as a 114.19/73.69 sort of proposition. That's right : the open market valuation of the notion that Bitcoin will go over 10`000 USD this year is not so much worse than even odds."
10:16 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/an-era-ends-today-a-new-era-starts-today/#footnote_3_53302
10:16 mircea_popescu nevar fuhget.
10:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform leaving reality aside, i can readily show in a snowglobe model how it's a problem. so, some indians (by which derrogatory term we denote genetically stunted, phenotypically inferior apes with some superficial semblance of humanity) had their "land" token inflated by events into great value cca 1600.
10:18 mircea_popescu as a result, they traded their valuable token AS A BLOC to other people.
10:18 mircea_popescu this trading as a bloc means, importantly, that the political and legal framework changes.
10:20 mircea_popescu the "cypherpunks" or "internet experts" or whatever you call the genetically stunted, phenotypically inferior apes depicted eg in http://trilema.com/2012/generatia-fara/ are not in any way different from those indians of yore.
10:20 mircea_popescu and in 2014 they still had too much bitcoin.
10:21 mircea_popescu in which sense, ethereum (not as the item, but as the prion set) is necessary for bitcoin to go into the millions. just a step on teh road.
10:29 asciilifeform extension of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1699949 item ?
10:29 a111 Logged on 2017-08-18 04:00 mircea_popescu: otherwise what, we'll be stuck in 2020 dealing with legacy yahoos ? noty.
10:30 mircea_popescu something like that.
10:35 asciilifeform ignoring for a moment the folly of formulating btc-usd as a scalar ( picture if somebody were to show up with a million-btc buy or sell, say ) -- i have nfi what the actual, honest number is , nor any clue as to where such a thing might even be hidden
10:35 asciilifeform yes a gox will give a plebe 10 ( 11? ) k if he comes in with 1. but beyond this.
10:39 mircea_popescu let's just say that the principal military function of leadership is the management of the enemy perception of weakness.
10:46 asciilifeform ( ignoring for a moment the fact that if shitreich subject walks in with 1 btc, they will give 5k usd to him and 5k to clitler )
10:52 shinohai id rather get 10k btc for me :D
10:53 asciilifeform 'better to be rich and healthy, than poor and diseased' (tm)(r)
10:55 shinohai lolz
10:56 shinohai "height": 496710,
10:56 shinohai "last_fork_height": 495171,
10:56 asciilifeform lolwat?!
10:56 asciilifeform prbism ?
10:57 asciilifeform what means 'fork height' ? place of most recent reorg ?
10:57 shinohai curl https://api.blockcypher.com/v1/btc/main
10:57 asciilifeform that dun tell me what it is
10:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform dudes implemented their own json thing.
10:59 asciilifeform ... looks liek exactly what i thought, most-recent-reorg
10:59 mircea_popescu yes.
10:59 shinohai the "last_fork_height" = last reorg since whoever made most recent mooncoin
11:00 asciilifeform shinohai: looks like it's simply the most recent reorg their box saw, neh ?
11:00 shinohai yup
11:00 asciilifeform ( getting this number from a trbtron is still a manual process. )
11:00 asciilifeform fortunately if you have logging switched on, it's a straight grep
11:01 shinohai im trying to get block height from various sources (as experiment) this morning
11:02 asciilifeform oh try this unbelievable horror on for size : zoolag since http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-19#1700485 is STILL syncing
11:02 a111 Logged on 2017-08-19 00:13 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG panzers!! trb node 'zoolag' is back in business, this time as ordinary linux box -- syncing from 0 . same ip as prev.
11:02 asciilifeform this is a ssd box, on very reasonable fiber, no less.
11:02 asciilifeform 461874 currently.
11:03 asciilifeform the sync mechanism is retarded beyond belief ( see l0gz )
11:03 asciilifeform !#s rain mouth
11:03 a111 4 results for "rain mouth", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=rain%20mouth
11:04 asciilifeform as it is, that thing spends 99% of cpu filling up disk with the familiar ERROR: ConnectInputs() : d84dc3e02d mapTransactions prev not found f74a08a53a
11:04 asciilifeform ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool() : ConnectInputs failed d84dc3e02d etc.
11:04 mircea_popescu not so terrible, 35k to go
11:05 asciilifeform 14+ weeks !!
11:05 mircea_popescu we need bigger blocks.
11:05 mircea_popescu otherwise bitcoin can't be used.
11:05 shinohai 100TB blox today
11:07 asciilifeform spends most of its time not having any notion that the next block exists.
11:10 asciilifeform ( granted i could've filled it up with eatblock in <2days. but it's been some years since i synced 'from wild' and thought 'why not test..' )
11:16 mod6 <+asciilifeform> 461874 currently. << 492622 :: I'm gettin' closer!
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11:31 asciilifeform mod6: when was yours born ?
11:32 mod6 ugh, long time ago.
11:32 mod6 took very long time to sync. but !ssd drive.
11:32 asciilifeform gotta supply both numerator and denominator, mod6
11:32 asciilifeform otherwise what do we have.
11:33 mod6 im doin about 300-350 blocks per day or so now.
11:33 asciilifeform notbad
11:38 diana_coman hm, here I have one at 429437, started on 4th October; kind of got almost full data day by day, lol
11:44 asciilifeform all trb boxen where log wasn't cut off, have day-by-day, neh
11:47 diana_coman indeed
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13:08 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> this is a ssd box, on very reasonable fiber, no less. << I am very glad/sad that asciilifeform's sync from wild experiments are concordant with my own
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13:08 BingoBoingo Espere por favor!
13:11 BingoBoingo And in other news, Conde Naste has decidedly quit the jet set: " Holiday gift guide 2017 — The 2017 Ars Technica gadget gift guide: On-the-go and travel tech edition We reflected on a year of testing to find the best tech for your next road trip."
13:12 BingoBoingo road trip, Road trip, Road Trip, ROAD TRIP!
13:12 ben_vulpes and garrison keillor falls to #metoo
13:13 BingoBoingo And their list... fucking idiot slabs and headphones
13:13 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Also... Matt Lauer
13:14 asciilifeform who are any of these
13:14 asciilifeform ( srs q. i have nfi nor have any notion of why i should )
13:15 ben_vulpes keillor ran a variety show for people afraid of vaginas on NPR forever
13:15 ben_vulpes lauer, no idea
13:16 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: They are emoticons of USian attempt at having a cultured. Matt Lauer is NBC's younger man hosting morning news show for older women.
13:16 ben_vulpes keillor was a liberal entertainment darling, right up there with ira glass for trophy of most inoffensive and least entertaining person that Everyone Agrees Is Just Amazing
13:17 ben_vulpes and the truuuuuly hilarious thing is that howard stern has yet to fall to the #metoo crowd (possibly won't?), which just goes to show that there is zero strength in the defense of being nice and appeasing the everyone.
13:18 asciilifeform wtf is '#metoo'
13:18 BingoBoingo Matt Lauer, was her demoocracy's bitch boy comforting the old biddies and making them feel relevant
13:18 asciilifeform and do i even want to find out
13:19 ben_vulpes it's the sekuhara fire sweeping la nacion!
13:19 trinque #metoo is the noise twatters make when you grab 'em by the pussy
13:19 asciilifeform mega-summary
13:20 BingoBoingo Meh, in other WMAF http://www.psywarrior.com/JapanPSYOPWW2.html
13:20 ben_vulpes "sekuhara" being the noise little japanese girls emitted in storms of arousal when i played in japan as a youf
13:20 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: mp's fdr is prominently missing
13:23 asciilifeform ( grrr, where is the link! it's a jpeg, on trilema somewhere ! )
13:23 asciilifeform !!up gabriel_laddel
13:23 deedbot gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
13:24 gabriel_laddel https://pastebin.com/2xRZEVbx
13:24 asciilifeform wassat
13:25 gabriel_laddel http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743639 << Huzzah!
13:25 a111 Logged on 2017-11-28 12:58 mircea_popescu: and speaking of which, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743518 prolly needs to be addressed better than the original "i wouldn't give a shit" : i'm ready to take over the governance of the entire world from the hands of the inept pretenders of today, as of yesterday. the result would be very ~different~, yes, but that's irrelevant.
13:25 asciilifeform hey gabriel_laddel is that yours ?
13:26 gabriel_laddel ya
13:26 asciilifeform 'Antecedent companies are iRobot (ie roomba. founded 1990, IPO $100MN in 2005 at 24/share), Neato (raised 45MN, 2005, acquired by 'Vorwork', a German household appliances firm this Sept. Fiscal details unavailable). Both ventures attempted an 'AI' ...' << what means 'antecedent ventures' ?
13:26 asciilifeform and i must disagree, 'neato''s vacuum cleaner worx pretty great.
13:26 asciilifeform i have several, in various places
13:27 asciilifeform ( will gripe, but not about the firmware -- the roller bearing overheats )
13:27 gabriel_laddel antecedent ventures == those who failed to venture far enough
13:27 gabriel_laddel and thanks for input re Neato
13:28 asciilifeform how does a cad proggy compete with vaccuum co tho
13:28 asciilifeform i dun get it
13:28 trinque gabriel_laddel: you're sharting up a biz?
13:28 asciilifeform also can see this cad ? or hypothetical yet
13:29 gabriel_laddel totally hypothetical, I'm just sticking this on the end of "gimme job plz" emails along with some connective tissue
13:29 asciilifeform btw gabriel_laddel there is a massive unfilled hole in cad-dom ,
13:29 asciilifeform !#s from:asciilifeform eagle
13:29 a111 33 results for "from:asciilifeform eagle", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aasciilifeform%20eagle
13:29 asciilifeform !#s from:asciilifeform pcb cad
13:29 a111 2 results for "from:asciilifeform pcb cad", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aasciilifeform%20pcb%20cad
13:29 asciilifeform ^ there does not currently exist a decent pcb cad. at. all.
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13:30 gabriel_laddel afaict, the lack of a CAD program to input the clean routines is the only reason I get interrupted by cleaners in whatever lounge I happen to be working in
13:30 asciilifeform there's an ancient and now-unsupported closed warez turd. and a buncha open sores that dun work ~at all. ( on linux, i dun give a fuck what exists for microshit )
13:30 gabriel_laddel or maybe neato allows more fine-grained control than I am aware of
13:31 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: 'neato' vacuum doesn't do the random walk thing, it laser-scans the surrounding room (1d) and does edges, then colours 'in' the insides. pretty predictable.
13:31 gabriel_laddel oh thank G-d
13:31 asciilifeform ( even the places where it will get stuck, are quite predictable. one sticks magnetic rubber to the floor, it has reed switch and avoids )
13:31 asciilifeform !!up gabriel_laddel
13:31 deedbot gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
13:32 gabriel_laddel -_-
13:32 asciilifeform did it run over yer ethernet cord
13:32 gabriel_laddel I switched from colemak back to qwerty
13:32 gabriel_laddel keep fking up
13:33 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: see also, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-12-01#939225
13:33 a111 Logged on 2014-12-01 02:29 asciilifeform experimented with dvorak a few times over the years, found that he doesn't enter enough human language text to make the effort worthwhile
13:33 trinque what's the point of putting a company pitch in a cover letter for another job?
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13:33 trinque other than tweaker bouncing all over the map?
13:34 asciilifeform not sure when i last did something where kbd speed was remotely the bottleneck.
13:34 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform has to do with my hand hurting from overuse
13:34 asciilifeform trinque: possibly this is the culture in his monkeystan, it sounds familiar
13:34 asciilifeform 'list yer failed companies'
13:34 trinque every speed head gets high, thinks he's gonna take on all the things
13:34 gabriel_laddel http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744264 < ty for pointer, did not grok this from logs
13:34 a111 Logged on 2017-11-29 18:29 asciilifeform: ^ there does not currently exist a decent pcb cad. at. all.
13:35 gabriel_laddel trinque have not used in ~week
13:35 gabriel_laddel fu am going to take on all the things anyways
13:35 trinque doesn't matter; your behavior is wrapped around it. probably one of those kids given speed pills instead of parenting.
13:35 gabriel_laddel but beyond that, I was applying to accelerators with this company because I don't want a real job
13:36 trinque you are not in a position to declare what you want.
13:36 gabriel_laddel plus was listing off interesting things you could build with masamune
13:36 ben_vulpes dude the best thing you could be doing right now is living out of a shoebox and extracting as many dollars from the sv machine to turn into btc as you possibly can.
13:36 gabriel_laddel I don't want to hold btc until the inversion happens
13:36 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: sounds like what he already does neh
13:36 asciilifeform waiwat inversion
13:36 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: he doesn't extract cash as far as i can tell
13:36 ben_vulpes gabriel_laddel: inversion?
13:37 gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes yer right regarding the lack of cash...
13:38 gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes yeah -- when suddenly the _general public_ (ie gov/cia/fbi pensioners) realizes they need to hold btc and come to beat it out of whoever
13:38 asciilifeform trinque: also thread http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575702
13:38 a111 Logged on 2016-12-01 18:19 asciilifeform: but quite destructive to folx who are doing equivalent of ~planning~ the march
13:38 gabriel_laddel I aim to use btc AFTER that whole ugly period
13:38 ben_vulpes gabriel_laddel: man cannot operate from basis of fear
13:38 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: elaborate re 'ugly period'
13:39 ben_vulpes eh i don't care to engage in these hallucinations
13:39 asciilifeform and re how 'gov pensioner' is to hold btc ( not to be confused with 'gox holds btc for idjit pensioners' which afaik already happens today )
13:39 trinque this whole thing is the tweaker's "am fine, everything's fine" loop. only reason he comes by
13:39 gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes I'm not afraid, just not particularly adept with guns/poison
13:39 asciilifeform nah let's here
13:39 trinque "look, am smart and doing things"
13:39 asciilifeform *hear
13:39 trinque gabriel_laddel: name one thing you've "aimed" to do and done?
13:40 gabriel_laddel trinque 1. get a job at startup without having graduated from anything ever, with no network (CHECKMARK)
13:41 gabriel_laddel 2. build masamune, sell (CHECKMARK)
13:41 ben_vulpes all i see is the same old same fuckin old excuses for not having the readies and willingness to do what it takes to operate a full node
13:41 trinque and any of this is relevant to the republic how
13:41 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: who do you suppose will come to beat you for btc ? and why , e.g., BingoBoingo , ben_vulpes , asciilifeform , trinque , not yet beaten
13:41 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform because the coke-selling part of the CIA has not yet wanted to own btc
13:41 asciilifeform beaten for usd ? check, every 2 wks, every time i get a cheque lol
13:42 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: why would you suppose it not yet ?
13:42 asciilifeform if you have a good proper coke biznis why wouldja walk around shaking down plebes for lunch money.
13:43 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform gut instinct + talking to people out here + overhead conversations
13:43 trinque if he spent any time stabilizing his life, he wouldn't have the urgency that excuses the drug habits
13:43 trinque not that I see any point in the 300th rehash of gabriel_laddel
13:43 gabriel_laddel "stabilizing time" == building a castle
13:43 ben_vulpes b-but building a fortress and carving a domain of sovereignty out is antithetical to the digital nomad ideal, trinque !
13:44 trinque yes, the splitting is also a speed user thing
13:44 asciilifeform trinque: erudite madness is educational.
13:44 gabriel_laddel where was the thread where MP notes the only stable life is in ransacking other's castles...
13:44 asciilifeform 'stable' is a mirage, everybody dies of sumpthin.
13:44 trinque lol, what do you do, hobble up to the door and knock, ask for change?
13:48 asciilifeform i'd like to hear where gabriel_laddel intends to put the castle
13:48 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform wait what. I intend no such thing
13:48 asciilifeform hm
13:48 gabriel_laddel I specifically have no intent to hold btc until after some people get murdered for it
13:49 gabriel_laddel "yer not a man then!" OK ya, am total wage slave / bitch to someone willing to kill for it. fine by me
13:49 asciilifeform from what does gabriel_laddel conclude that no one's been murdered quite yet ?
13:50 asciilifeform e.g. that chick who was thrown from 14th floor in singapore , when was it, 3y ago
13:50 asciilifeform ran a gox, wouldn't play ball, etc
13:50 asciilifeform or the 'dpr' d00d, who may as well be dead for all i know
13:51 asciilifeform possibly gets flayed and regrown every week, like prometheus and his eagles, and spitting out privkeyz a bit in a month at a time
13:52 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform anyway I respond it'll boil down to "gut instinct". And that's fine, because we've all got different T levels, peni lengths, brain structures, heights and this determines what you're up for / can do.
13:52 asciilifeform no q was re specifically how gabriel_laddel pictures 'axe time, sword time'
13:52 asciilifeform i'm a connoisseur meself, would like to hear his ver.
13:53 gabriel_laddel Oh I think I'll hear fear / desperation in the voice of one of these government people while getting a coffee.
13:54 BingoBoingo <gabriel_laddel> trinque have not used in ~week << AHA, the extended phase of withdrawal!
13:54 gabriel_laddel Some panic'd phrasing of "my USD investments are worthless!"
13:54 gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo meth has no withdraw
13:54 gabriel_laddel read more
13:54 asciilifeform let's rewind a bit back to the last reich -- picture 'i dun wanna hold any diamonds, gold, until the nazis go away'
13:54 asciilifeform 'what if gestapo gets hold of me'
13:54 asciilifeform the diamonds might not help, but how do they hurt.
13:55 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform palintir is right around corner from me. if I hear them discussing how to track down someone from btc addy over lunch == axe time sword time
13:55 asciilifeform let's expand on this
13:56 asciilifeform picture yerself as the fuhrer. how would you go about 'track down someone from btc addy' ?
13:57 BingoBoingo <gabriel_laddel> but beyond that, I was applying to accelerators with this company because I don't want a real job << Sometime at a "real job" would be good for you. Work at BingoBoingo store, call it "field research" if that makes Brian in the head feel better. Show up, bust your ass, eat shit, THEN ask yourself "Why wasn't I working this hard for myself before?"
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13:57 gabriel_laddel yo it'll sound like a bunch of excited / nervous engineering types discussing IP addresses, fake names & locations over lunch
13:58 gabriel_laddel or something. but I know I've not seen it yet.
13:59 BingoBoingo <gabriel_laddel> BingoBoingo meth has no withdraw << It has a withdrawl syndrome. Not at all like opiates or alcohol. More subtle, treacherous thing.
13:59 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: no but let's work this out. gabriel_laddel generates an addr. pgps it to e.g. asciilifeform . who sends to it a coin. how does hitler find that 1) addr belongs to gabriel_laddel 2) where to find and rectothermally rebuke gabriel_laddel
13:59 gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo do tell since clearly you know more about clean mexican meth than I do.
13:59 gabriel_laddel (incidentally d-amphetamine is WAY BETTER than meth)
14:00 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: better how ?
14:00 asciilifeform now i'm curious
14:01 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform regarding addy: you're looking at this the wrong way -- people with shit security ALREADY hold btc. And tracking me down is easy. Can come find me anyday in PA.
14:01 BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: When one takes ANY stimulant catecholamine drug, neurons start growing more receptors to handle the extra shit sticking around then (aka receptor upregulation, this provides tolerance). When you cease the stims, it takes substantial time for the receptors to downregulate again.
14:02 gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo hur dur mind altering substances alter the mind.
14:02 asciilifeform !!up gabriel_laddel
14:02 deedbot gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
14:02 BingoBoingo !!up gabriel_laddel
14:02 deedbot gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
14:02 gabriel_laddel this is not withdraw
14:02 BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: It is a form of withdrawal.
14:02 gabriel_laddel gtfo or do more drugs
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14:02 gabriel_laddel You have no idea
14:02 asciilifeform i betcha the d00d know what he got into.
14:03 BingoBoingo In the severly afflicted like little miss trainwreck it proves rather debilitating
14:03 asciilifeform as i understand gabriel_laddel has 3-5 yrs to live, if typical dose.
14:03 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: lmt is a mether?
14:03 gabriel_laddel What, pray tell, did she take, and for how long, and how clean, and by what ROA?
14:03 asciilifeform ought to make good use of it.
14:03 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Was
14:03 trinque eh when the shadow people show up, gabriel_laddel can give them jobs in his startup
14:03 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: boozer too?
14:04 ben_vulpes miscagenation of the 12-steppers!
14:04 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Well, yes. This is what much of my extended meatwot network has become. People who stopped drink/dope and are at various rebuilding stages
14:05 BingoBoingo But yes, most people when drinking and drugging at problem level don't cleanly separate drink and drug
14:05 * gabriel_laddel doesn't drink fwiw.
14:06 ben_vulpes ain't about you, buddy.
14:06 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: i did not know that the networks cross-pollinated but it makes a great deal of sense
14:06 * BingoBoingo has only met one "clean productivity mether" who tried the recovery thing. Bounced in/out and then allegedly a heated argument did in his cardiovascular system
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14:07 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what was 'clean productivity', gotta wonder
14:07 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Well, opiate crisis. AA and NA offer same problem s/alcoholism/addiction
14:07 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Academi-wank
14:08 asciilifeform patron saint of intellectual dopers, paul erdos , took such small doses that a typical american would not even feel
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14:08 asciilifeform ( i.e. milligrams )
14:09 BingoBoingo milligrams are generally what these things are measured in
14:09 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform d-amph is better in that it far less physical, doesn't cause oxidative stress, isn't as much of a "scheming" high and won't make you tweak to the point of tripping face.
14:09 asciilifeform hm looks like i am unequipped to process gabriel_laddel's summary
14:09 asciilifeform not knowing what is a 'scheming high' or 'tripping face'
14:10 asciilifeform or for this matter 'to tweak'
14:10 asciilifeform do i need to do some time in a dope den , to learn this ?
14:10 gabriel_laddel nah, one sec
14:11 asciilifeform ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-24#1742899 for instance )
14:11 a111 Logged on 2017-11-24 06:34 gabriel_laddel: then -- BLAM. Tweaking.
14:12 asciilifeform i;ma guess it's an unwanted effect ?
14:13 gabriel_laddel Nono, just different. Fuck can't find the link -- but anyways, I had the idea that it'd be easier to hold a lightbulb over my head and head out on a Sat. night in sf than to network with people one by one
14:14 asciilifeform waiwat?!
14:14 asciilifeform light bulb?
14:14 gabriel_laddel then did that -- for 3-6 hours in the dead of night. Some guy offered me his sister's hand in marriage.
14:14 asciilifeform didja take it?
14:15 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> do i need to do some time in a dope den , to learn this ? << I have been suggested you visit an AA/NA meeting for some time to meet people
14:15 asciilifeform dun i gotta take to drink 1st, and then quit..?
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14:16 gabriel_laddel lolno. But when you "tweak" the ideas in your head start to drive rather than sane human things like "I shouldn't be fooling around with these love-glasses and the way they make the girls look in broad daylight" go out the window.
14:16 BingoBoingo Tradition 3: The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking. Doesn't say for how long...
14:17 asciilifeform lol
14:17 gabriel_laddel http://www.robssuperhappyfunstore.com/toyfireworksheartsx50-002483.html < love-glasses
14:18 asciilifeform lol never before heard of such a thing.
14:18 asciilifeform must be a californilandia thing
14:19 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: taking performance dope, when you dun have any aim, is rather like swinging a hammer wildly around your room, where there are no nails to pound
14:19 * BingoBoingo wonder what gabriel_laddel's objection to cocaine was, it's a natural botanical and reportedly fairly cheap compared to historically
14:19 asciilifeform likely to end badly
14:20 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: possibly he valued his nose ?
14:20 BingoBoingo There's other routes to administer
14:20 asciilifeform dun think it's very active orally ?
14:20 asciilifeform iirc
14:21 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform nah. understanding through observation can be performance-enhanced. is useful too.
14:21 asciilifeform !#s a smell of petrol pervades throughout
14:21 a111 0 results for "a smell of petrol pervades throughout", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=a%20smell%20of%20petrol%20pervades%20throughout
14:21 asciilifeform hmm.
14:21 asciilifeform !~google a smell of petrol pervades throughout
14:21 jhvh1 asciilifeform: Quote by Bertrand Russell: “William James describes a man who got ...: <https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/301370-william-james-describes-a-man-who-got-the-experience-from>; Secret of the Universe: A Strong Smell of Turpentine Prevails ...: <https://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/03/31/turpentine-prevails/>; to spread over an area - synonyms and related words | Macmillan ...: (1 more message)
14:21 asciilifeform turpentine, it was.
14:21 asciilifeform re 'understanding'.
14:22 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> dun think it's very active orally ? << Could make a chewing gum or sublingual tablet
14:22 asciilifeform let's for the l0gz :
14:22 asciilifeform 'William James describes a man who got the experience from laughing-gas; whenever he was under its influence, he knew the secret of the universe, but when he came to, he had forgotten it. At last, with immense effort, he wrote down the secret before the vision had faded. When completely recovered, he rushed to see what he had written. It was : “A smell of petroleum prevails throughout.” '
14:22 gabriel_laddel I have to move because people are coming into the room, but will drop an actual story with details here in a sec, or at least PM to you ascii
14:22 asciilifeform plz dun pm
14:22 asciilifeform i very rarely read pm. post in-chan.
14:22 trinque I fail to see the fascination here
14:23 asciilifeform trinque: i suppose you dun think those priests who set themselves on fire , were interesting either
14:23 * trinque can walk a few blocks and watch bums get high at pleasure
14:23 trinque doesn't appeal
14:23 trinque asciilifeform: can't compare that level of discipline to this
14:24 BingoBoingo trinque: Maybe he hits bottom, finds a sponsor to guide him through steps, becomes useful?
14:24 asciilifeform trinque: what discipline. petrol, match.
14:24 asciilifeform whereas scoring, weighing, purifying dope, while knowing what you signed up for -- discipline.
14:24 asciilifeform as i understand.
14:25 trinque asciilifeform: one of whom I'm thinking sat peacefully as he burned
14:25 asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/the-all-american-asshole-in-his-own-words-with-my-own-notes/#selection-2959.0-2975.867 << see also
14:25 trinque gabriel_laddel can't sit peacefully and he's not even combusting
14:27 * asciilifeform bbl,meat
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14:44 BingoBoingo !!up gabriel_laddel
14:44 deedbot gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
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16:10 asciilifeform !!up gabriel_laddel
16:10 deedbot gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
16:11 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: have some patience, ffs, post things in-chan
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16:11 gabriel_laddel An effective summary of d-amph: it works, you're in control it and has no comedown (due to l-amph in adderal). Whereas meth (again no negative comedown aside from sleep & need to eat like pregnant (with ideas?)) will grab your conciousness and irreversiby chain it to your own interests in the span of 5-15 minutes. Anyone rambling about how 'pleasu
16:11 gabriel_laddel rable' it is simply has no academic interests & probably spends most of their time seeking or finding sexual release (ie #tweaker nation tumblr females. Notice, very few post about meth and the read much closer to 'Ive no purpose, need to reproduce, NOW. What you like meth? OKAYSUREWHATEVERMETOOJUSTFUCKMEALREADY'). The catch however is that you've
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16:11 gabriel_laddel not a choice in the matter. A state of (Csikszentmihalyi) flow - forgetting to eat, drink, sitting in one position beyond any reasonable limit - we all do this when thinking anyways, but it can be interupted. When you remove the very notion of interruption what you're left with is tweaking, which is an awful lot like being enslaved, perfectly, by a
16:11 gabriel_laddel n idea, or some form of sensory input bodily electrical resonance. MP's 'women are only useful as slaves' comes to mind. Are men only useful when tweaking? 'Bennies' were readily available at Los Alamos during MP. Did no-sleep-drive-and-read-johnny use? I can't find primary sources and am also digressing... Tweaking. Something WILL grab your intere
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16:11 gabriel_laddel st, strip you of giving a fuck and you're off.
16:11 gabriel_laddel Example: had the thought -- ~ _someone, somewhere_ in this godforsakken sodom must have an imagination, and a curiosity to match it! So I took a light bulb, placed it above my head like a cartoon 'idea emoji' and walked all of SF many times over trying to elicit some sort of novel reaction from the fri night 'partygoers' (ED NOTE: sf is a nursing h
16:11 gabriel_laddel ome and a weekend nights end at like 11pm because my generation deserves holocaust). This involved dancing around all over the place, even going so far as to pull out my computer & code onehanded, balancing on one foot, bobbing like a maniac, with lightbulb affixed. Honest to god, I can't tell you if ANYONE even lives in the whole western half of t
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16:11 gabriel_laddel he city, because I didn't see a soul four hours (maybe two, idk). Found a doorbell with arab lettering and rang it furiously. I hope it disturbed them something awful anddsfsdfsdfewdshdslkhfdslhlkjfdshdskjfhds AHEM. Wasn't thinking that at the time, but a terrorist attack & subsequent rebuild seems more likely than any other route to improved publi
16:11 gabriel_laddel c infrastructure in CA. Easy enough to calculate.
16:11 gabriel_laddel Anyways there are no imaginative+curious people in SF, but the guy offering his sister had the right idea. Hm. Actually there was one now that I think about it. Two if you count the negro "man, I need some of what you've got". Fuck yeah Black America. Better showing than whitey.
16:11 asciilifeform woah, gabriel_laddel have you considered... blog
16:12 gabriel_laddel MP is the MP of our generation
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16:13 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: https://www.quora.com/profile/Jeff-SKT < check out the bottomost answer he gave, also
16:15 asciilifeform !~ticker --market all
16:15 jhvh1 asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9795.0, vol: 29252.59358784 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 9674.3, vol: 165051.96008665 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9670.0, vol: 9102.32817399 | Volume-weighted last average: 9691.46583039
16:15 asciilifeform lol fire extinguisher hastily fired
16:17 gabriel_laddel and finally: https://www.quora.com/Why-are-people-who-use-meth-called-tweakers
16:17 asciilifeform 'If you start to change a lightbulb, then spend seven hours deconstructing and re-constructing the elaborate Moroccan light fixture in the kitchen, rearranging the stained glass so that the colors point in the right directions, shining it up inside and out, running to the store for better bulbs, threading the cord so that it lands in an inconspicuous position, you've just tweaked. '
16:18 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-25#808005 << see also thread
16:18 a111 Logged on 2014-08-25 03:08 asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems
16:18 asciilifeform i'm still waiting for gabriel_laddel's theorem tho
16:19 gabriel_laddel welcome to the club
16:29 * gabriel_laddel finds the story of Puyi totally insane
16:37 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: elaborate ?
16:41 asciilifeform !!up gabriel_laddel
16:41 deedbot gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
16:45 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744464 << readily available during ~all of ww2. consider reading about how this went, gabriel_laddel
16:45 a111 Logged on 2017-11-29 21:11 gabriel_laddel: n idea, or some form of sensory input bodily electrical resonance. MP's 'women are only useful as slaves' comes to mind. Are men only useful when tweaking? 'Bennies' were readily available at Los Alamos during MP. Did no-sleep-drive-and-read-johnny use? I can't find primary sources and am also digressing... Tweaking. Something WILL grab your intere
16:45 asciilifeform in particular at the front.
16:45 gabriel_laddel Well for one, awfully interesting comparison - to a chinaman!? Completely out of the blue (yellow?). That his eunuchs did anything at all continues to be surprising to me, thought I guess floggings are useful motivation when you've no sexual drive?
16:46 gabriel_laddel Nothing in particular that I can say "aha! crazy!" as the whole story is totally alien
16:46 asciilifeform which in particular
16:48 gabriel_laddel http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744138 <> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puyi#Biography
16:48 a111 Logged on 2017-11-29 15:07 mircea_popescu: also managed to misplace a 2ct diamond i used to wear in mah lapel... utter puyi operation i'm running over here.
16:48 asciilifeform puyi famously got cleaned out, 'palace uh.. burned down, uhyea' sort of thing
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16:50 asciilifeform tho for a deposed emperor and quisling figurehead ( ceremonially crowned by invading jp ) he ended not so badly -- in communist nomenklatura when he finally died
16:50 asciilifeform ( from a mircea_popescuine pov -- ended badly, had approx same amt of agency as typical crack whore )
16:50 asciilifeform !#s puyi
16:50 a111 5 results for "puyi", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=puyi
16:51 asciilifeform hm could've sworn there was moar.
16:51 asciilifeform !#s pu yi
16:51 a111 3 results for "pu yi", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=pu%20yi
16:51 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform do you have a book recommendation for use of amphetamines in ww2? I looked a few times and nothing caught my interest
16:51 asciilifeform try in german, japanese literature
16:51 asciilifeform e.g. 'pervitin', 'shabu'
16:52 asciilifeform it was imperial jp that first put meth into mass production
16:52 asciilifeform banzai!
16:53 asciilifeform for pre-history -- edeleanu (romania!)
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16:54 gabriel_laddel My interest, incidentally is what OTC d-amph looks like on societal level. The yanks had racemic amph, Erdos had that + ritilan. Japs & Germans had meth. Nobody has had a d-amph free-for-all afaict.
16:54 asciilifeform britain
16:54 asciilifeform and for a while usa.
16:54 asciilifeform at one time su also, but didn't really catch on
16:54 asciilifeform ( it was tried repeatedly as... antidepressant, in su )
16:57 asciilifeform for some reason i thought laevo-isomer has 0 effect on nervous system -- e.g. laevo-meth is sold in every pharmacy in usa, as a nasal decongestant
16:58 trinque I would like to know which masters used these and succeeded?
16:58 trinque heard only so far uses for drugged slaves
16:59 asciilifeform plenty of kamikazes... succeeded
16:59 trinque these are not slaves in your book?
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16:59 asciilifeform but on top of this, no shortage of soldiers came home , hard to say if 'with help of' or 'in spite of' whatever dopes they ate
16:59 asciilifeform slaves.
16:59 gabriel_laddel Matter... matters. If you have leftover reagents you might get what is known as "shooter's dope". Got extra l-isomer for meth? Biker crank. Phosphorous? Pink champagne.
16:59 asciilifeform the 1 crowned head who ate meth, famously did not end well
17:00 trinque perhaps g_l finds slavery appealing, and ought to accept the fact
17:00 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-22#1028014 << e.g
17:00 a111 Logged on 2015-02-22 01:26 mircea_popescu: wer sind sie eigentlich, dass sie einen befehl, den ich gebe, zu missachten wagen!!??!?!!!?! etc
17:00 gabriel_laddel Kansas 'annie' from the 90s was supposedly far more powerful than the crystal available today because of the "dirty leftover reagents".
17:01 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: if so, why no one isolated the contaminant and sold as own dope ?
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17:01 asciilifeform if subj was 'far more powerful'
17:02 gabriel_laddel see adderal vs. dexedrine.
17:03 gabriel_laddel the cartels are not sophisticated enough to read the logs & go "hey, if there is enough variation in alcohols for one of the world's most wealthy men to comment on them, perhaps also for our product"
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17:03 asciilifeform do dope folx not ever bother to run through a column or wat
17:04 asciilifeform this is eerily reminiscent of asciilifeform's kvm thread
17:04 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform people end up in jail, the people who do "annie" typically are not the guys running an assay on it, etc. etc.
17:04 asciilifeform i.e. is it possible that gabriel_laddel wanted a dope for theorems, but what there is on the market is there so that derps can http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744462 etc
17:04 a111 Logged on 2017-11-29 21:11 gabriel_laddel: rable' it is simply has no academic interests & probably spends most of their time seeking or finding sexual release (ie #tweaker nation tumblr females. Notice, very few post about meth and the read much closer to 'Ive no purpose, need to reproduce, NOW. What you like meth? OKAYSUREWHATEVERMETOOJUSTFUCKMEALREADY'). The catch however is that you've
17:05 trinque gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-05#1121652
17:05 a111 Logged on 2015-05-05 22:39 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121502 << you have to understand something essential about drugs : they aren't products. this in the sense that their flux isn't pull, it's push (which is why the sellers are called pushers). so no, the mexican economy does not rely on others buying drugs anymore than britain's economy relied on chinese buying opium.
17:05 asciilifeform i thought jail was required 'university' for dope people, like actual university used to be for maths
17:05 gabriel_laddel trinque: dude whatever I heard drugs existed and sought them out by iterating through every human I could find.
17:06 trinque asciilifeform: you're really getting something out of this?
17:06 gabriel_laddel some people learn about sex and go MEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMME. Some people hear about sports and find it appeals to them. there is a wide variation in genetics & environments.
17:06 trinque go fly and see him, watch him smoke the stuff. can transcribe the theorems coming out of his ears.
17:06 asciilifeform trinque: i'll admit that i dun really buy the 'pushing' angle. if anything it's the mcdonaldizers and walmartizers, star topology creators, who create the demand for opiums
17:07 gabriel_laddel Uncle Al: ~"I had IV drip of morphine for 3 months. opiates are boring pharma"
17:08 asciilifeform trinque has a point, a byte in the l0gz is not cheap !
17:09 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: i recommend to take a break and come back when you have theorem, or at least something new. and use some of your artificial stamina to make a blog, and write.
17:10 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: understand also that yer overclocking yer meat, and it will have eventually to be paid for.
17:10 asciilifeform with interest.
17:11 asciilifeform eventually you will take the pill and nothing useful will happen.
17:14 asciilifeform woah d00d actually did as he was told, for 1ce.
17:18 asciilifeform btw there is a famous 1990s ru b00k on subj of gabriel_laddel, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-27#536165 . ( summary : at one time ephedrine was sold openly, in 1980s su , for asthmatics. and student culture of methism developed, folx would buy the feedstock, do the reaction in glass taken home from school/work )
17:18 a111 Logged on 2014-02-27 18:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: famous autobio. take on the subject, 'Низший Пилотаж' (http://lib.ru/ZHURNAL/pilotazh.txt)
17:19 asciilifeform the 'krokodilists' are superficially similar but different in that typically someone ~else~ , in meatwot, cooks the ersatz dope for them
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18:23 asciilifeform ( also not sure how comparable is the psychology of krokodilism, which is a form of morphinism, to gabriel_laddeling. )
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19:04 TomServo http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744216 << ditto
19:04 a111 Logged on 2017-11-29 18:08 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> this is a ssd box, on very reasonable fiber, no less. << I am very glad/sad that asciilifeform's sync from wild experiments are concordant with my own
19:05 TomServo Closing in.. 482269, average 8-9 blks/quarter hour.
19:08 BingoBoingo !~bcstats
19:08 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 496764 | Current Difficulty: 1.347001430558E12 | Next Difficulty At Block: 497951 | Next Difficulty In: 1187 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 20 hours, 16 minutes, and 29 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
19:20 TomServo I was under the impression that using -connect $tsmr.node.ip -nolisten would be a faster sync, but seems a bit faster without.
19:21 TomServo Most of my sync was from deedbot, but I would frequently get blackholed? No blocks for hours, wouldn never resume on it's own, had to restart.
19:33 ben_vulpes TomServo: you're wholly dependent on that node's willingness to send you blocks. it may be blackholed, not in the mood, etc
19:35 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2017/11/29/unpopular-ideas-about-blockchains-by-sunny-aggarwal-and-nate-rush-adnotated/ << Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Unpopular Ideas about Blockchains by Sunny Aggarwal and Nate Rush, adnotated.
19:50 BingoBoingo lol: "His office was in a secluded space, and he had a button under his desk that allowed him to lock his door from the inside without getting up. This afforded him the assurance of privacy. It allowed him to welcome female employees and initiate inappropriate contact while knowing nobody could walk in on him, according to two women who were sexually harassed by Lauer." http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/matt-lauer-accused-sexual-harassmen
19:50 BingoBoingo t-multiple-women-1202625959/
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20:51 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744279 << cali stuff.
20:51 a111 Logged on 2017-11-29 18:33 trinque: what's the point of putting a company pitch in a cover letter for another job?
20:51 mircea_popescu it makes sense to them.
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21:17 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744358 <<< this is actually a remarkably effectual approach.
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21:17 a111 Logged on 2017-11-29 18:57 BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> but beyond that, I was applying to accelerators with this company because I don't want a real job << Sometime at a "real job" would be good for you. Work at BingoBoingo store, call it "field research" if that makes Brian in the head feel better. Show up, bust your ass, eat shit, THEN ask yourself "Why wasn't I working this hard for myself before?"
21:20 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744393 << i think i knew hundreds. widely abused in post-soviet medical system, for instance ; at some point a whole surgical section was losing it at the same time, one step away from ending up discussed in the national security council.
21:20 a111 Logged on 2017-11-29 19:06 BingoBoingo has only met one "clean productivity mether" who tried the recovery thing. Bounced in/out and then allegedly a heated argument did in his cardiovascular system
21:28 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744415 << why ? best cheating ever, PRETEND like you managed to quit what you never did in thefirst place.
21:28 a111 Logged on 2017-11-29 19:15 asciilifeform: dun i gotta take to drink 1st, and then quit..?
21:28 mircea_popescu insta ego boost.
21:28 asciilifeform lol!
21:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: gotta wonder, what was the meth doing in the surgical stockpile
21:31 asciilifeform war surplus ?
21:31 mircea_popescu back in those days, you couldn't be a doctor if you couldn't make your own. just not possible.
21:31 asciilifeform ah the ephedrine route
21:32 mircea_popescu understand, hospitals still had whole floors for labs, with bunsen burners, cut-and-seal your own tubes etc.
21:32 asciilifeform asciilifeform’s mother worked in one. so i saw.
21:32 mircea_popescu people routinely ran out of / couldn't afford the western reagents, ended up doing 1800s glucose tests for urin and so on.
21:32 mircea_popescu it was the best of times in being the worst of times.
21:34 mircea_popescu (flemming method, for teh curious)
21:35 asciilifeform obsolete or not, is iffy q in medicine, pneumothoracic method for tb is making a comeback
21:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform also, i think i mentioned this, but in any case : 4yo me was prescribed codeine as phosphoric salt for kiddy cough. double dose what chet got for back pain.
21:35 asciilifeform on acct of antibiotic resistance
21:35 mircea_popescu aha.
21:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: metoo
21:36 asciilifeform codeine by the glass, nearly
21:36 mircea_popescu i think codeine was at the time available by the kg
21:36 mircea_popescu exactly.
21:36 asciilifeform somehow did not grow up a morphinist, either of us
21:36 mircea_popescu being cheap to make and "hey, at least not morphine"
21:36 asciilifeform aha
21:38 mircea_popescu generally substance abuse in post soviet world would curl the contemporaneous mind. cluj tribunal, three levesl, maybe say 50k sq foot of floor space, a thousand or two (mostly women) working there had A TRUCK. i don't mean a van. i mean a semi.
21:38 mircea_popescu every morning delivered ciggarettes to the local outlets.
21:38 mircea_popescu those chicks did 2-3 packs a day, each day, each one.
21:38 mircea_popescu the walls were not simply black, it fell off as a dust.
21:38 asciilifeform ( tb method earlier is the one where you pierce and deflate a lung, naturally 1 at a time, to nuke the aerobe microbe. as a kid asciilifeform dug up his grandfather’s set from the war, thought it was diving gear )
21:39 mircea_popescu that shit even works, other than the collapsible lung sechellae etc. but it will kill it.
21:39 asciilifeform and, importantly, works on resistant tb
21:40 mircea_popescu indeed.
21:40 asciilifeform and we had the phages thread.
21:41 asciilifeform all kinds of supposed ‘obsoletes’ are comin’ back, when time comes.
21:41 asciilifeform brb,tea
21:41 mircea_popescu yeah but i mean glucose ffs. approachable with "my first spectrometry kit" even
21:42 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744460 << "aveti putintica rabdare!!!"
21:42 a111 Logged on 2017-11-29 21:11 asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: have some patience, ffs, post things in-chan
21:44 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744464 << sauce ?
21:44 a111 Logged on 2017-11-29 21:11 gabriel_laddel: n idea, or some form of sensory input bodily electrical resonance. MP's 'women are only useful as slaves' comes to mind. Are men only useful when tweaking? 'Bennies' were readily available at Los Alamos during MP. Did no-sleep-drive-and-read-johnny use? I can't find primary sources and am also digressing... Tweaking. Something WILL grab your intere
21:54 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744495 << yes, it was a sarcastic reference to "they stole the stones right out of the empress' marrying diadem the same day the marriage took place".
21:54 a111 Logged on 2017-11-29 21:48 asciilifeform: puyi famously got cleaned out, 'palace uh.. burned down, uhyea' sort of thing
21:56 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744508 << the problem with amphetamine in ww1 (which is what that was), then confirmed in ww2, is that it is actually a disadvantageous tradeoff. the fundamental problem of mammals, which includes humans, is that yes they can charge, but they are ridiculously vulnerable after having charged. this has shaped the face of war, is the principal underlying engine of war, and so on. in ~general~ t
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21:56 a111 Logged on 2017-11-29 21:53 asciilifeform: for pre-history -- edeleanu (romania!)
21:56 mircea_popescu he positive results from a successful charge do not come close to the potential negative results of your exhausted troop being attacked.
21:56 mircea_popescu this is why reserves are a thing, for instance.
21:57 mircea_popescu it is also why methamphetamine is not actulaly militarily useful : it aggravates instead of balancing out a natural disadvantage.
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21:57 mircea_popescu works, so to speak, like a rocket tied to a formula 1 car. those items need more thrust like i need more nose ; they need more adherence is what they need, and rocket dun help that.
22:00 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744518 << moar like a knight, i guess.
22:00 a111 Logged on 2017-11-29 21:59 trinque: these are not slaves in your book?
22:02 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744527 << the theory was as of some obscure synergy. quite possibly urban legend.
22:02 a111 Logged on 2017-11-29 22:01 asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: if so, why no one isolated the contaminant and sold as own dope ?
22:03 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744530 << note that the alcohol discussion is re taste. they all get you drunk. (arguably not the same drunk, i guess, but anyway)
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22:03 a111 Logged on 2017-11-29 22:03 gabriel_laddel: the cartels are not sophisticated enough to read the logs & go "hey, if there is enough variation in alcohols for one of the world's most wealthy men to comment on them, perhaps also for our product"
22:06 lobbes in other lulz from the past that are even lulzier now: http://btcbase.org/log/?date=15-07-2014#756534
22:11 mircea_popescu lol.
22:11 mircea_popescu 10mn prius
22:15 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744554 << afaik it's mostly siberian subsistence hunters, ie a sorta chucka.
22:15 a111 Logged on 2017-11-29 23:23 asciilifeform: ( also not sure how comparable is the psychology of krokodilism, which is a form of morphinism, to gabriel_laddeling. )
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22:44 lobbes I'm pleased to at least report my archive-to-zip engine is functional. I have zipped some 1300 links so far leading back to Nov 8. All routing through archive.is without exception
22:45 lobbes ~93% of the urls passing through both #trilema/#eulora in this time have been 'archivable' through archive.is; failures account for what you'd expect: typos in url, tar.gz files, misc. webpages that archive.is evidently barfs on
22:45 lobbes historical log-walk is next in the conveyor. still thinking through the distribution system.
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23:00 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-30#1744615 << which army issued it in ww1 ??
23:00 a111 Logged on 2017-11-30 02:56 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744508 << the problem with amphetamine in ww1 (which is what that was), then confirmed in ww2, is that it is actually a disadvantageous tradeoff. the fundamental problem of mammals, which includes humans, is that yes they can charge, but they are ridiculously vulnerable after having charged. this has shaped the face of war, is the principal underlying engine of war, and so on. in ~general~ t
23:01 asciilifeform afaik mass production didn't start until '30s
23:01 asciilifeform possibly was cocaine in ww1 ?
23:03 asciilifeform lobbes: pretty neat
23:05 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-30#1744619 << jp army found the natural and obvious application.
23:05 a111 Logged on 2017-11-30 02:57 mircea_popescu: it is also why methamphetamine is not actulaly militarily useful : it aggravates instead of balancing out a natural disadvantage.
23:05 asciilifeform ( not everybody needs an 'after'... )
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23:39 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-30#1744569 << Aha, yes. Also works when you have people outside your anthropology lab to bounce things off of that won't eat your bullshit
23:39 a111 Logged on 2017-11-30 02:17 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744358 <<< this is actually a remarkably effectual approach.
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