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00:02 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-13#1872032 << hey, sinology very valid topic of study at republican ministry of foreign relations.
00:02 a111 Logged on 2018-11-13 19:48 asciilifeform: it's evidently very diff animal than the zimbabwe that got its arse handed to it in '30s
00:14 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744472 << heh. aaanyway, it's not that g_l had necessarily a bad grasp of priors, but he did take them to strange, sometimes contorted conclusions.
00:14 a111 Logged on 2017-11-29 21:12 gabriel_laddel: MP is the MP of our generation
00:16 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-13#1872093 << i utterly don't understand this "stealing" mindset. http://btcbase.org/log/2013-09-13#307975
00:16 a111 Logged on 2018-11-13 22:22 asciilifeform: said only 1 thing, sumthing like 'motherfucker, you stole my name'
00:16 a111 Logged on 2013-09-13 08:59 mircea_popescu: not like she's made of soap, to wear out...
00:19 mircea_popescu ahh, but what a productive monday this has been!
00:20 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-14#1872142 << does it cancel anything ?
00:20 a111 Logged on 2018-11-14 00:18 mod6: 1) My toaster has a cancel button
00:23 mircea_popescu http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/ << i suppose looking there would have made it obvious (check it out btw, 20th feb 2016, july 207, 22nd feb 2018!) ; but
00:23 mircea_popescu diana_coman where;d you end up with ye 2017 version from ? just used local copy, missed update ?
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01:11 deedbot http://bimbo.club/?p=77 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 10/31/2018
01:22 BingoBoingo Meanwhile in Matt Mallenwiggle's WP fork: https://archive.is/C22ko
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02:40 mircea_popescu "GDPR" heh,.
02:40 mircea_popescu who the fuck would even consider such shaite.
02:45 BingoBoingo The same sort who'd upgrade without knowing why
02:46 BingoBoingo Anyways: Blog update - I think I've found a Rockchip friendlier mysql config. Not expanding to eat all the RAM at the moment. Compiling the rest of the moving parts.
02:46 mircea_popescu right.
02:47 BingoBoingo Finding seems to be Innodb is a poor default
02:50 BingoBoingo Setting MyISAM seems to bring Mysql's RAM usage closer in line with the size of the db
02:53 BingoBoingo The pain comes in settin MyIASM as a default without doing the instictive right appearing thing which is disable Innodb completely.
02:54 diana_coman mod6, I've put the vpatch, neh?
02:55 BingoBoingo Completely disabling Innodb pisses off the "emerge --config dev-db/mysql" script
02:55 diana_coman the genesis IS on 99994K yes, the next vpatch upgrades it to 99993K and only THEN my own vpatch changes it to use Keccak and vtools
02:59 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-14#1872169 -> as ^ ; now I'm not sure if anyone actually look at the 2nd vpatch and hence it really is an old version that's there or just got hang up on the fact that I kept to preserve some history and hence genesis+vpatch to version 3
02:59 a111 Logged on 2018-11-14 05:23 mircea_popescu: diana_coman where;d you end up with ye 2017 version from ? just used local copy, missed update ?
03:03 diana_coman fwiw the keccak-version of v (i.e. pressing the tree I published all the way to its leaf) IS the corrected one re pressing order ; later today I'll do a diff with precisely the versions mod6 has at http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/ but going by version number I really don't see what "old version" are you saying
03:03 diana_coman if anything, I suppose I could have gotten the genesis with an earlier version
03:05 diana_coman mod6, I don't see any comment from you on my blog, what happened? (re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-14#1872143 )
03:05 a111 Logged on 2018-11-14 00:20 mod6: 2) http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-13#1872126 << diana_coman I tried to leave you a note on your blog. But seems that you've based the genesis off of my vtron version 99994K, but there is a newer version: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20180222.tar.gz http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20180222.tar.gz.mod6.sig Which is denoted as version 99993K.
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04:55 diana_coman right, doing the diff with the archived versions at http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/ yields: my genesis is precisely http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20170317.tar.gz; the version 3 aka after applying the .vpatch http://ossasepia.com/vpatches/v_mod6_99993.vpatch does bring in the code modifications of http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20180222.tar.gz, but not the docs changes
04:58 diana_coman so to keep this fully aligned, I'll regrind the last 2 patches so that the docs changes are carried over as well; as a result: genesis = http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20170317.tar.gz; 1st patch => http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20180222.tar.gz; 2nd patch => using vtools & keccak instead of sha
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05:54 diana_coman and done: the updated .vpatch files and starter_v.zip + sigs are all up; I've checked them on my RK; genesis is the same and result is identical to V-2017; the result of 99993 .vpatch is identical to V-2018; the result of keccak_vtools vpatch is to update BOTH docs and code; re docs, I've nuked the user manual as I won't maintain it and it's becoming confusing due to being out of date; I've updated the quick_guide however, mainly for 1st t
05:54 diana_coman ime users really; re .zip file: the v in there is precisely what one gets by pressing my v_keccak_vtools.vpatch
05:55 diana_coman and yes, my test went precisely on this path: get the .zip first and then use that to press the vpatches and then check results + whether they are the very same
05:56 diana_coman hopefully this is now finally clearly set for future maintenance of any sort, but let me know if there is any other trouble you see with it
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08:06 bvt asciilifeform: have you seen https://github.com/Componolit/libsparkcrypto ? their modexp code looks sad, but other components may be interesting
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09:06 asciilifeform bvt: https://github.com/Componolit/libsparkcrypto/blob/componolit/src/shared/generic/lsc-bignum.adb << holyfuq, obfuscated ada contest !
09:07 asciilifeform i am impressed with the sheer volume of liquishit
09:08 asciilifeform i think just his bigendian vs littlendian speshulcases (why he has any?! ffa doesn't..! ) weigh moar than all of ffa together
09:11 asciilifeform https://github.com/Componolit/libsparkcrypto/blob/componolit/src/shared/generic/lsc-bignum.ads << even the declarations suffer from advanced elephantiasis
09:12 asciilifeform tldr : yet-another nonconstanttime , notfitinhead piece of shit, valuable exhibit for kunstkammer of 'how not to ada'
09:13 asciilifeform and 'how not to crypto', pretty good illustration of the tension between 'machine proofs' and 'fits in head' (author resolved wholly in favour of the former and took a tall shit on the latter)
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09:42 asciilifeform bvt: in all srs, thx for digging it up, and if anybody finds another , plox to also post, there is room in the kunstkammer .
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10:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform oh i see, you redid the whole tree, that was a patch
10:43 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo trilema is mostly on myisam.
10:44 mircea_popescu i meant diana_coman ah i see, you redid the whole tree, that was a patch.
10:45 mod6 tarting MDMCommandQueueMonitor through JMX
10:45 mod6 2018-11-13 15:35:03,098 [INFO ] [0.101.22.52] [MDMCommandQueueMonitor ] - Cancelling existing run of MDMCommandQueueMonitor
10:45 mod6 ah jeeze
10:45 mircea_popescu o hai mod6
10:45 mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-14#1872182 << Ahhh! I see what you did there.
10:45 a111 Logged on 2018-11-14 07:55 diana_coman: the genesis IS on 99994K yes, the next vpatch upgrades it to 99993K and only THEN my own vpatch changes it to use Keccak and vtools
10:46 mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-14#1872187 << no worries, I tried to post a comment on your blog post from the train, it may have not went through.
10:46 a111 Logged on 2018-11-14 08:05 diana_coman: mod6, I don't see any comment from you on my blog, what happened? (re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-14#1872143 )
10:48 mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-14#1872191 << Totall get it that you don't want to maintain the user docs, I do disagree that they were are out date tho. I did a diff between them from the 99994K and 99993K versions and I did update it for the Feb release.
10:48 a111 Logged on 2018-11-14 10:54 diana_coman: and done: the updated .vpatch files and starter_v.zip + sigs are all up; I've checked them on my RK; genesis is the same and result is identical to V-2017; the result of 99993 .vpatch is identical to V-2018; the result of keccak_vtools vpatch is to update BOTH docs and code; re docs, I've nuked the user manual as I won't maintain it and it's becoming confusing due to being out of date; I've updated the quick_guide however, mainly for 1st t
10:49 mod6 Anyway, *nod* looks good. I'll try to test it one of these days when I have a spare minute.
10:49 mod6 bbl
11:03 mod6 lol, o hai mircea_popescu
11:03 mod6 anyway, srsly bb.
11:03 mod6 l
11:08 diana_coman mod6, I meant out of date wrt to my vpatch i.e. keccak hashes
11:09 diana_coman if you notice, I said out of date at 3rd vpatch, NOT before; and yes, 2nd vpatch includes them precisely because they are at that point still perfectly fine
11:10 diana_coman the out of date also refers to the fact that meanwhile V has a broader scope really than trb code
11:11 diana_coman onth I kept the quick guide and updated it to point users to a. use the bloody help of V as it's quite useful as it is! b. ask if they get stuck, wtf
11:12 diana_coman anyway, if anyone wants to maintain the full & detailed manual, I will happily sign their .vpatch with it,sure
11:14 mod6 <+diana_coman> mod6, I meant out of date wrt to my vpatch i.e. keccak hashes << ahh, gotcha
11:19 mod6 thanks for doing all this work diana_coman, I appreciate it. it's long over do for a v'ing. :]
11:27 asciilifeform ohai mod6 , diana_coman , mircea_popescu
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12:11 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo trilema is mostly on myisam. << ty
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15:06 diana_coman mod6, re comment, it seems it got lost, I could not find it anywhere so not in queue nor anything
15:08 * diana_coman waves to asciilifeform
15:08 asciilifeform ohai diana_coman
15:08 diana_coman the table with FFA patches looks great; I'll look into carving again some space to re-start on it
15:09 asciilifeform diana_coman: lemme know if you run into anyffing to any degree confusing.
15:09 asciilifeform ( iirc you already ate the most difficult material )
15:10 * diana_coman will come and complain loudly if confused
15:10 asciilifeform so far conveyor is on schedule.
15:10 diana_coman but it might still take a while to get back to it
15:11 asciilifeform i in turn am working through diana_coman's oaep articles
15:11 diana_coman eucrypt?
15:11 asciilifeform aha
15:12 asciilifeform ch. 10 in particular
15:12 asciilifeform it's 1 of the coupla items i dun have yet
15:12 diana_coman meanwhile the oaep got sorted better as part of smg comms really (i.e. only ada calling c, no back and forth dance and that gets rid of a LOT of confusion)
15:12 asciilifeform fortunately i dun have ~that~ problem ( instead i have others, lol )
15:13 asciilifeform i was hoping to avoid baking hashing into ffa/p , but loox like it isn't escapable if we're doing oaep
15:17 diana_coman problems are never in short supply, certainly
15:17 asciilifeform the fixed structure elements in oaep bother asciilifeform . ( initially was gonna do destructurization differently : each bit of payload turned into 4 via rng xor, then fisher-yates shuffle, then the 'deshuffling' binarysort code is appended to message. you can prove that the output is 'all or nuffin' transform. )
15:18 * asciilifeform brb,teatime
15:20 diana_coman my understanding was that nobody actually LIKES oaep all that much but it's (again! another one of those!) the thing we have (as opposed to the thing we might wish for)
15:21 * diana_coman will go afk too
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15:46 asciilifeform diana_coman: correct
15:46 asciilifeform diana_coman: it's the most economical, at the very least, algo that sorta does the job
15:47 asciilifeform ( that is, oaep )
15:48 asciilifeform in s.mg's incarnation, carries 245 octets of payload per 512 rsablock, i.e. ~48% efficient
15:49 asciilifeform and hence prolly also is The Right Thing for other space-constrained applications, e.g. udptronic gossipd
15:50 asciilifeform but for general-purpose pgp replacement, conceivably could use something 'hungrier' but with 0 fixed structural bits. i'ma invite mircea_popescu et al to consider the subj.
15:52 asciilifeform ideal algo imho would carry at least 5 bit of entropy for erry bit of payload, and in such a way that all bits are 0/1 with exactly 0.5 prob.; and such that flipping one bit of ciphertext flips at least 1/2 of the output bits.
15:53 asciilifeform ( i.e. when ciphertext passed through e.g. 'dieharder' it would be indistinguishable from FG )
15:53 * asciilifeform bbl,meat
15:58 mod6 <+diana_coman> mod6, re comment, it seems it got lost, I could not find it anywhere so not in queue nor anything << not a problem at all. we've resolved it anyhow. thanks for looking.
16:06 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/11/us-our-military-edge-has-eroded/ << Qntra - US: Our 'Military Edge' Has Eroded
16:08 BingoBoingo In local news, Prison Mall had a fire. Apparently happens on a roughly annual basis https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/incendio-en-shopping-punta-carretas-obligar-interrupcion-del-transito--20181114983
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17:03 deedbot http://bingology.net/2018/09/03/hello-world/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog - Hello world!
17:03 BingoBoingo ^ Restoring content, apologies for any noise
17:06 lobbes "el incendio anual" heh
17:11 trinque BingoBoingo: should I null-route your feed for a bit?
17:11 BingoBoingo trinque: Please do, will ping when shit is restored
17:19 trinque can't get to it immediately, in about an hour or two can
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19:10 BingoBoingo trinque: ping me at your leisure to announce the silence
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19:49 trinque BingoBoingo: done, let 'er rip
19:51 BingoBoingo ty
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20:37 BingoBoingo <lobbes> "el incendio anual" heh << Mind that before becoming a mall in a more expensive neighborhood than the Datacenter's, a good chunk of the present legislature or their parents were locked up there for being commie scum
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21:08 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: didja end up having to glue yer blog back together from archived pages ?!
21:08 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Some parts, yes
21:08 asciilifeform damn
21:08 asciilifeform i did say 'let's errybody move to new rk disks asap' , neh
21:08 asciilifeform dunno why BingoBoingo felt compelled to tempt the fates
21:09 BingoBoingo On the plus size, I did learn that using MyISAM instead of Innodb actual RAM available on the Rockchip for not MySQL
21:09 asciilifeform mod6 pleez let me know when we can swap yours, iirc you're the last rk fella on old disk
21:10 asciilifeform also folx, pleeez make backups! i should not even have to remind. there is not such a thing known presently as an immortal disk.
21:13 asciilifeform !Q later tell ben_vulpes didja find the eggog ? you estimated 'wednesday', and the day is nearly at end..
21:13 lobbesbot asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
21:15 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: if we ever build a rk-like board from the ground up, i'ma give it at least mirror raid. but presently afaik no such thing can be had.
21:17 asciilifeform i was almost gonna say 'we're the first to put arm64 in a dc rack' but then recalled that jurov, years ago, saw such a thing somewhere
21:17 asciilifeform jurov do you recall what it was they used ? ( or was it custom )
21:19 asciilifeform btw for many yrs i've searched for the obvious simple gadget, a y-shaped thing that'd turn 2 or moar usb sticks into an iron raid. but still not found, dun seem like anybody ever made.
21:19 asciilifeform ( plenty of folx made 'soft' raid, but those imho are worse than useless )
21:26 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-15#1872279 << currently i know veeery little about mysql ( always used postgres, and at this point know embarrassingly much re the internals and tuning knobs ) -- but iirc mp's-wp requires specifically mysql, so prolly doomed to study it at some point
21:26 a111 Logged on 2018-11-15 02:09 BingoBoingo: On the plus size, I did learn that using MyISAM instead of Innodb actual RAM available on the Rockchip for not MySQL
21:27 asciilifeform he did pick it for a logical reason, but i cannot currently recall what it was ( prolly detailed in l0gz )
21:28 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It's what wordpress expects. Otherthings can be forced into place at substantial cost.
21:29 asciilifeform phuctor ( and in particular, some of the 'heavier' / unusual pheatures, like search ) i baked specifically around postgres.
21:31 asciilifeform possibly 1 of these days i oughta publish my kludge for making ancient wp go on postgres; but it isn't half as polished as mp's and i dunno that anyone would win from cribbing it
21:32 asciilifeform i view it rather like (i picture) mircea_popescu views his 'mpb' item
21:34 BingoBoingo Changing the storage engine has resulted in a more than 10x reduction in RAM used
21:34 asciilifeform neato
21:35 BingoBoingo From eating more than half the Rockchip's 2gigs to ~130 megs
21:36 * BingoBoingo also moved from lighttpd in the last incarnation to apache in this one
21:36 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: fwiw postgres doesn't, 'out of the box', have the runaway ram problem. ( it had exact opposite -- i had to coax it into actually making constructive use of dulap III's very plentiful ram )
21:39 BingoBoingo Consider Phuctor is a sorta bespoke thing. DB software architect can't antipate a Phuctor and how its filled. On the other hand most mysql installs power wordpress.
21:39 asciilifeform imho people should not default to runaway-ram
21:39 asciilifeform it's unseemly
21:40 asciilifeform erry proggy should at the very least take a param for max ram guzzle
21:40 asciilifeform ( and behave gracefully when limit hit )
21:41 asciilifeform esp. a wwwtronic thing, where there is a readily-available graceful failure mode ( make connector wait a few sec for a free slot )
21:45 BingoBoingo The failure mode under stress was an attractor to lighttpd, but... configuring it is a pain
21:45 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: have you found approx how much ram it eats per request ?
21:46 asciilifeform ( seems , at least by my lights, uncharacteristically hungry... does it really take a coupla MB of working ram , per GET , to serve up a blog ? )
21:47 asciilifeform also iirc diana_coman and hanbot both have mp's-wp on rk , and i dun recall either of'em ever reporting OOM
21:48 BingoBoingo I have not. My understanding of how it worked was it sat in a failry consistent RAM footprint as a running process and played goalie shoving the blog to php-fpm
21:48 BingoBoingo hanbot is on the shared machine
21:48 asciilifeform aaa
21:48 asciilifeform pretty sure that diana_coman is on rk tho
21:48 BingoBoingo Yeah, lobbes as well.
21:52 BingoBoingo Anyways, figuring out chron is now high on the todo list
21:57 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: cron ?
21:58 BingoBoingo Yeah, timed mysql dumps
21:58 asciilifeform aa
21:59 asciilifeform i dun expect it'll be esp painful in your case, yours wont be 30+GB
21:59 asciilifeform ( current mass of compressed phuctor snapshot )
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22:16 BingoBoingo Several orders of magnitudes less
22:24 BingoBoingo Thankfully Qntra has a backup button, but with mp-wp I gotta dogfood it, because it is what I will be asked about
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