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00:03 asciilifeform lol
00:05 mp_en_viaje but i'll see your modern africa and trade you historical america
00:09 mp_en_viaje http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923138 << yep, it's what's inhibiting my otherwise natural and arguably required "holy shit wtf is this weird, stop now" reaction.
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00:09 a111 Logged on 2019-07-17 16:38 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923088 << the circular situation of gnat , where 'need gnat to build gnat', is the third reason for the mips approach -- arch with 100 fixed-length instructions, simplify the eventual rewriting of backend so can ditch gcc dep.
00:13 mp_en_viaje http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923146 << sad fact of the matter, ballas has significant advantage over naggum on purely procedural grounds -- had enough fucking sense to make himself blog.
00:13 a111 Logged on 2019-07-17 16:42 asciilifeform: e.g. old man naggum -- evidently moar 'alive' nao than when alive..
00:13 mp_en_viaje much like viktor vs anatoli situation, come to think of it.
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00:53 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-18#1923194 << if mp_en_viaje or anyone else can think of less ugly pill for described problem, i'm all ears, cuz indeed this one's barbaric
00:53 a111 Logged on 2019-07-18 04:09 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923138 << yep, it's what's inhibiting my otherwise natural and arguably required "holy shit wtf is this weird, stop now" reaction.
01:01 asciilifeform ftr i want to see x86 and arm die , properly, and cremated, they belong in same place as winblows. srsly wtf, picture 'alphabet' of 700 symbols, that's x86..
01:02 asciilifeform or what even means to audit a binturd in arch where jumping into middle of instruction is permitted.
01:03 asciilifeform or the nightmare of endianized byte-addressing permitted in ~every~ inst that refs mem. ( again x86. )
01:03 asciilifeform at some pt somebody's gonna have to audit a snapshot of bin gnat. which wouldja rather ?
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01:03 * asciilifeform to bed
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05:20 feedbot http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-8-characteristics-of-family-annihilators-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - 8 Characteristics of Family Annihilators. Adnotated.
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08:08 feedbot http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-abusive-teens-force-their-girlfriends-to-get-pregnant-dont-let-the-truth-get-in-the-way-of-a-good-story-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Abusive Teens Force Their Girlfriends To Get Pregnant! (Don't Let The Truth Get In The Way Of A Good Story). Adnotated.
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10:29 feedbot http://bvt-trace.net/2019/07/unrolled-x86_64-assembly-multiplication-for-updated-to-ch-14-ffa/ << bvt's backtrace -- Unrolled x86_64 Assembly Multiplication for updated to Ch. 14 FFA
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11:45 phf mp_en_viaje: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZPWlp/?raw=true
11:46 girlattorney hi
11:47 mp_en_viaje ello
11:47 mp_en_viaje phf, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qKDZF/?raw=true
11:52 phf mp_en_viaje: ack, plan works
11:53 * phf afk
11:53 mp_en_viaje cool.
11:55 girlattorney so, tried with many attempts to restart TRB and hoping it could fully sync. No fucking way. And at every shutdown (with ctrl - c) always a painful writing process of at least 50 gb, taking 30 minutes or so
11:56 girlattorney It's almost like TRB telling me: you're too poor to spend your time trying running me, do something different in your time
11:57 asciilifeform girlattorney: who do you have in your -addnode list ?
11:57 girlattorney every pal listed on thebitcoin.foundation
11:57 girlattorney http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html
12:02 girlattorney and even if i was stuck a dozen of blocks behind the general block height, the connection with the other peers was still present, just producing garbage in debug.log
12:03 asciilifeform girlattorney: post the garbage ?
12:03 girlattorney well, mempool rejected transactions etc...
12:05 asciilifeform girlattorney: didja read the log re subj ?
12:05 a111 Logged on 2019-07-16 14:39 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922586 << ftr , is because of >> http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922649 .
12:05 girlattorney yes, still don't be able to catch the latest blocks
12:05 girlattorney and the amount of writes that TRB does with or without swap is insane
12:06 asciilifeform by how many behind ? and from where do you know the current height ?
12:06 girlattorney bitnodes + a friend node running core
12:06 asciilifeform re writes, bdb sits the index on disk, so naturally writes
12:07 girlattorney bdb sits the index on disk, that's ok, but i got the impression that to archive 1MB it needs to write like 1GB
12:08 asciilifeform girlattorney: if this were in fact the case, my ssd would live for a week and not 2yrs.
12:08 asciilifeform ditch the virtualhosting thing.
12:08 girlattorney the pc is mine
12:08 girlattorney no virtualhost
12:11 asciilifeform girlattorney: can you describe exact setup ? (i.e. how determined '# writes', how disabled swap)
12:11 girlattorney i determine the writes using iotop
12:12 girlattorney i disabled the swap by not having it
12:13 girlattorney i'm very near to setup my blog to post screenshot and other stuff about the setup
12:13 asciilifeform girlattorney: post plz your last half MB or so of trb log
12:14 girlattorney ok just a moment
12:17 girlattorney http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/pUDEt/?raw=true
12:18 asciilifeform that's nowhere near half MB..
12:18 girlattorney just like the one that i posted repeated till half MB
12:19 asciilifeform repeated?!
12:19 girlattorney with same lines over and over
12:19 girlattorney (ERROR: BANNED, etc...)
12:19 asciilifeform this is not 'same' lol
12:20 asciilifeform i wanted to see when was last time you got block, and from where
12:21 girlattorney i think that half MB won't be enough
12:21 girlattorney cause it got stuck for many hours
12:21 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: lemme know if you want this thread moved to #a
12:21 girlattorney maybe with grep i could scratch something
12:22 mp_en_viaje if she'll follow you why not.
12:22 asciilifeform threatens to be long and uninteresting to erryone else.
12:22 girlattorney this channel it's for what specifically?
12:22 mp_en_viaje the lordship.
12:33 girlattorney i think that the large number of writes could be a problem in the long term
12:41 asciilifeform thread moved to #a .
12:42 feedbot http://trilema.com/2019/apocatastasis/ << Trilema -- Apocatastasis
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13:36 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/07/iran-detains-tanker-for-smuggling-fuel-in-persian-gulf/ << Qntra -- Iran Detains Tanker For Smuggling Fuel In Persian Gulf
13:39 girlattorney another question that i think belong here. Tried to read the logs but haven't found enough clarity. When Bitcoin should scale the blocksize?
13:40 girlattorney and is there a consensus about how much it should be raised?
13:43 asciilifeform girlattorney: see mp_en_viaje's http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/ .
13:43 girlattorney thanks
13:44 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, can has link to your original lohatronarticle ?
13:44 asciilifeform 1s
13:44 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1446 .
13:45 mp_en_viaje http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1446 found ya!
13:45 mp_en_viaje ty!
13:55 girlattorney From the article i read "In any case, a word to the wise : if you are designing ASIC chips, and you are not including the possibility of feeding a bitfield like this in blocks, you are deliberately ensuring failure not just for yourself, but for your customers as well. This change WILL eventually come in, start planning accordingly, today. ["
13:55 girlattorney but i see the article is from 2016
13:55 girlattorney what i'm missing?
14:00 mp_en_viaje what do you mean missing ?
14:02 mp_en_viaje in other lulz, anyone recall the 1918 narkomprod trying to "organise the peasants" into an orange revolution, only to discover that, contrary to marxism-leninism, poor peasants do not actually hate rich peasants ; not to mention have exactly the same interests.
14:02 BingoBoingo girlattorney: You aren't missing much. The protocol isn't changing any time soon for reasons largely explained by handicaps inflicted by Mandarin language's tendency to try insulating against the future.
14:02 girlattorney First of all, do you really expect millionaire businesses such as bitmain or bitfury to support a fork that instantly invalidates many millions of already-in-production ASICs?
14:03 mp_en_viaje girlattorney, nobody asked them anything ; not in 2013, not in 2016, not now and not for the foreseeavble future.
14:03 mp_en_viaje they do what they're told.
14:05 asciilifeform girlattorney: older article re subj, with illustration of the business end of the punishment weapon.
14:06 girlattorney Also, what's the problem in the nodes not being rewarded from being just nodes? If I want to run a serious business I'll need a node, otherwise i can stick with a third party wallet such as primedice or deedbot
14:08 asciilifeform girlattorney: problem, as such, is that right now there are maybe two dozen btc nodes (actual, working ones, w/out segshitness etc) and most of'em belong to the folx here.
14:09 asciilifeform and 99,999...% of their cpu cycles spent rejecting rubbish from the 9000 'nodes' running nsaware.
14:09 BingoBoingo At present its too easy for Bezos customers to spin up things that superficially act almost like nodes.
14:09 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=pseudonode
14:10 asciilifeform ( other half of problem is -- miners mining w/out actual working node. but this is elaborated in the logs, will not repeat )
14:10 BingoBoingo "To the network, PseudoNode behaves the same way as a full node by relaying transactions, blocks, addresses, etc. However, unlike a normal full node, PseudoNode does not verify data (txs & blocks) itself. Rather, PseudoNode relies on neighboring peers (with configurable confidence levels) to do the verification on PseudoNode's behalf. As a result, PseudoNode is very lightweight."
14:11 girlattorney but let's say the following: you get a core (prb) node, you set a minrelaytxfee very high, so you don't propagate at all, just include what new blocks have because you have to (to stay up to date)
14:11 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/07/pulpit-lobby-hounds-circle-k-into-retracting-romantic-deal-offered-for-secretary-day/ << Qntra -- Pulpit Lobby Hounds Circle K Into Retracting Romantic Deal Offered For 'Secretary Day'
14:11 girlattorney you use just legacy addresses
14:12 girlattorney you still are on a core node, but even if you aren't completely ignoring segwit shit, you aren't touching it directly
14:12 asciilifeform girlattorney: will still be banned by any working trb node, on acct of sending nonclassical protocol cmds (bloom filter garbage etc)
14:12 asciilifeform and correctly.
14:13 BingoBoingo Also recent NSAware nodes insist on encrypted tunneling to connect to other nodes
14:13 BingoBoingo Nevermind the things nodes pass to other nodes are not the seekrit things
14:14 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: lol, hearn's old thing , the cocktail where tried to slip heartbleed in
14:14 girlattorney BingoBoingo can you rephrase about tunneling? Do you mean they use ssl to connect?
14:14 asciilifeform girlattorney: are you familiar with the actual purpose of sslism ?
14:14 BingoBoingo girlattorney: It's been a while since I looked into it, but I believe if the version string on a peer is greater than X, they insist on SSL'ing
14:15 girlattorney asciilifeform i know that it's centralized. A couple of CA that runs the game
14:15 asciilifeform girlattorney: that's half the story, yes. other half it that it's ~100MB of unauditable obfuscated-c liquishit.
14:15 asciilifeform !#s heartbleed
14:15 a111 159 results for "heartbleed", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=heartbleed
14:15 asciilifeform ^ see also.
14:15 girlattorney thanks
14:18 feedbot http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-academics-hide-drug-company-payments-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Academics Hide Drug Company Payments. Adnotated.
14:20 girlattorney mp_en_viaje i'm re-reading the messages, what do you mean by saying this? http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922517
14:20 a111 Logged on 2019-07-16 11:19 mp_en_viaje: girlattorney, your notion of identity is not adequate for the situation you're dealing with.
14:21 girlattorney i was asking about where a TRB node fetch the blocks, if all of the TRB nodes are only interconnected with themselves
14:23 asciilifeform girlattorney: simple logical inference (there's a number of publicly advertised trb nodes; most of'em agree with heathendom re the height) points to : no, not 'only with themselves' dunnit.
14:24 BingoBoingo Playing with the version string on a TRB node is the fastest and simplest way to change the sorts of peers your node encounters in the wild
14:24 asciilifeform answr to given puzzle is very simple -- most of the supposed btc net, consists not of nodes, but of equivalent to sand in engine's crankcase.
14:24 asciilifeform most -- but not all.
14:25 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: fwiw none of the nodes i've operated were ever set to masquerade as prb (other than in the 0.9999... aspect)
14:26 asciilifeform blocks -- still arrive.
14:26 girlattorney but i could argue with this: when i do bootstrap a core node, it actually get fed from other core nodes
14:27 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I notice when I drop the version number down enough I'll get a wider number of version strings in my peerslist
14:28 asciilifeform girlattorney: 'core' (aka prb) when bootstrapping, asks randomly selected peer for 'headers' and eats'em on faith. afterwards does same with blocks (none of which it bothers to actually verify, in the traditional sense)
14:28 girlattorney so i can effectively say that i'm receiving blocks from other nodes, they aren't just connecting and stay silent. They are sending me blocks.
14:28 asciilifeform this gives illusion of 'fast sync'
14:28 BingoBoingo <girlattorney> but i could argue with this: when i do bootstrap a core node, it actually get fed from other core nodes << During initial sync trb wants to receive blocks in order while core will intentionally spray blocks out of order
14:30 asciilifeform girlattorney: see also earlier thrd, and past .
14:30 a111 Logged on 2019-07-16 12:52 asciilifeform: trb, unlike prb, does not accept blocks 'on credit' (i.e. ones for whom the antecedent block is not yet on the disk)
14:30 girlattorney asciilifeform i'm aware of the fast sync part. Just saying that when i sync a node i actually get data from other prb nodes. I'm not getting garbage or errors, and I think (not being technically able unfortunately) that you could modify prb to verify all the blocks, and eventually discard the excess if I reecived them in sprayed order
14:31 asciilifeform girlattorney: 'discard excess' in trb algo is ANYTHING received when its antecedent is absent.
14:31 asciilifeform this includes e.g. a block whose parent was not yet seen; a tx whose antecedent input(s) not yet seen .
14:33 asciilifeform prb had 'orphanage' mechanism where it accepted antecedent-less inputs 'on faith'. this opens node both to memory exhaustion and algorithmic complexity attack (i.e. crafted input can prompt machine into wasting arbitrary amt of memory, + arbitrary amt of cpu cycle walking it)
14:33 girlattorney asciilifeform that's nice to hear, so it has been kept simple for the sake of security, correct?
14:34 asciilifeform i personally removed this nonsense, as 1 of the opening shots of trb story.
14:35 asciilifeform the obvious cost is somewhat slower from-empty-disk sync. cuz, naturally, nao you can only process block in strict order.
14:38 asciilifeform girlattorney: prb will in fact happily eat and relay crafted malformed blocks .
14:38 a111 Logged on 2018-10-30 18:16 asciilifeform: more interestingly, there was even 1 of 10/30/18 17:05:41 ERROR: ProcessBlock() : CheckBlock FAILED from peer 213.148.193.153
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14:39 asciilifeform and nonsensical tx.
14:41 asciilifeform ( not to mention, even when relaying actual bitcoin blocks & tx, blows gigatonnes of bandwidth on nonsense inserted by wreckers as prelude to their bigblockism scheme of '15 , e.g. bloomism )
14:42 girlattorney could be written on trb a feature that enable / disable mempool?
14:42 girlattorney for a saner bootstrap?
14:42 asciilifeform girlattorney: there is not currently such a knob. no one has felt pressing desire for it; if you wanna submit patch -- folx will read.
14:43 asciilifeform the 'reject peers sending garbage' mechanism is also mine. trb did not always have it. i submitted it for inclusion to mod6's flagship after determining that it results in substantially improved performance across the board (i.e. peers sending bloomism are, statistically, an unlikely source of the-next-block)
14:43 a111 Logged on 2016-11-30 19:46 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/malleus_mikehearnificarum
14:44 girlattorney as already told: i appreciate that TRB exist even if i still not able to using it. However reading logs when syncing has been a pain and i thought that mempool during syncing could create just overhead
14:44 asciilifeform it does.
14:45 asciilifeform the other side of the medal, is that a trb node spends only small portion of its life in initial sync.
14:45 girlattorney 28 days...
14:45 asciilifeform ( often -- 0, people tend to stand'em up via eatblock )
14:46 girlattorney if you have no wot, and you are on your own, and you rely on the goodwill of the republican nodes, currently you wait 28 nodes
14:46 asciilifeform girlattorney: my current personal node was synced from-empty in '17, and running 24/7 since. (prior -- dead ssd. prior -- another 2y of continuous operation.)
14:46 asciilifeform so the 6 or so wks the sync takes, in this timeline are not imho significant.
14:48 asciilifeform girlattorney: there is not an escape from 'need wot'. consider, you had to get the proggy from somewhere.
14:48 girlattorney asciilifeform fair point and i hope in similar uptimes.
14:48 asciilifeform this is summary of why asciilifeform did not break back to try to optimize initial sync.
14:49 asciilifeform (it can be improved, potentially, but is very difficult to do without compromising integrity under concerted attack. and 'concerted attack' has been going 24/7 since late '14... )
14:51 girlattorney asciilifeform, about the blocksize once again: is there a real need on increasing over 1MB? since every "consensus" then create political debate with one horseman speaking for many, wouldn't be on the safe side just stay conservative till fees don't skyrocket permanently?
14:51 asciilifeform girlattorney: the supposed 'need' is 100% manufactured psyop, yes.
14:53 asciilifeform girlattorney: mp_en_viaje covered the subj in very pedantic detail.
14:54 * mp_en_viaje waves
14:55 * asciilifeform gotta go and do chore; girlattorney : mp_en_viaje can answer most of these q's much better than i, supposing he has time atm .
14:55 diana_coman BingoBoingo: asciilifeform does the mp-wp install on a shared account with pizarro work with multiple authors?
14:55 mp_en_viaje well, i;m writing, but that notwithstanding, the answer's generally gonna be "read some stuff"
14:55 girlattorney thanks
14:56 girlattorney i have enough material to read for a couple of days
14:57 BingoBoingo diana_coman: It appears to work with multiple authors.
14:57 girlattorney asciilifeform will try tomorrow to troubleshoot on the other channel
15:00 diana_coman cool stuff, thank you BingoBoingo ; I'll give this a bit more thought to figure out if blog is best or enough but in principle it seems I'll have to park young new hands somewhere public so they can do their homework and atm I'm considering a shared account on Pizarro - would this be ok with Pizarro or do you see some problem with it/would rather not?
15:01 mp_en_viaje diana_coman, you mean in preference of using your chan ?
15:01 BingoBoingo diana_coman: I don't see where it would cause a problem.
15:02 diana_coman mp_en_viaje: no, not in preference; but so they write there their "I plan this; I did this; here's what is wrong and what is fine"
15:02 diana_coman basically the non-discussion but reporting thing
15:02 diana_coman since otherwise they go on github "blog" or whatevers, what sense is there
15:02 mp_en_viaje a yes.
15:02 mp_en_viaje sounds like a good idea really.
15:03 BingoBoingo mp-wp has a user management feature. As long as they are interacting with the shared account through mp-wp they shouldn't be setting up irc bouncers to draw aggro by evangelizing Pantsuited tonterias
15:03 diana_coman basically if they aren't yet old enough to have their blog fine, they can share the classroom blog, what
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15:03 diana_coman cool, I'll mull it over a few more days and I'll get back to you
15:03 mp_en_viaje im pretty sure you can use mp-wo that way, yes.
15:03 BingoBoingo Seems like a work oriented take on http://trilema.com/2014/the-boy-blog-network/
15:04 mp_en_viaje this even exist[ed] on trilema : http://trilema.com/2009/predosloviie/ was originally published by an imaginary alt-author, Sf. Lefterie Mucenicul
15:05 mp_en_viaje if you remember that
15:05 diana_coman I knew I did it before but on standard wp and I hadn't looked at mp-wp
15:18 feedbot http://trilema.com/2019/birds-birds-birds-just-lookin-for-some-sugar-birds-birds-birds-just-lookin-for-a-crumb-ta-na-na-na-na-na/ << Trilema -- Birds, birds, birds, just lookin' for some sugar... birds, birds, birds, just lookin' for a crumb... ta na na na na na
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15:33 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/07/power-rangers-move-to-deperson-peter-todd-using-vague-allegations-of-sexual-misconduct-device/ << Qntra -- Power Rangers Move To Deperson Peter Todd Using Vague Allegations Of 'Sexual Misconduct' Device
15:33 BingoBoingo ^ In what the power rangers are up to (Living in terror of the XY Pink Ranger, Vivir in Mierda(TM)(R))
15:38 mp_en_viaje keks
15:40 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-30#1677707
15:40 a111 Logged on 2017-06-30 17:27 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-30#1677323 << implying someone'd want to ; which...
15:46 mp_en_viaje lulcows, you know...
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16:28 asciilifeform lol! was todd the fella with price on his head ? or was another
16:29 asciilifeform and wasn't isidora whatever the same chix who took Framedragger down to bottom of the sea ?
16:29 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Another
16:30 BingoBoingo Yes an no. Yes Framedragger, no chix... XY thing
16:30 asciilifeform 'An anonymous complaint was submitted to the MIT Bitcoin Expo in March for allowing Todd to speak' << 'по просьбе трудящихся'(tm)(r) !
16:32 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, do you happen to recall the discussion re psychoactives, where i was like "whatever, trying to optimize your kernel by hitting cpyu with large hammer"
16:34 asciilifeform hmm
16:36 asciilifeform there was a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-11#1641789 but iirc was earlier thrd
16:36 a111 Logged on 2017-04-11 00:14 mircea_popescu: cocaine is the eminent example. it FEELS like it does things to you. it does not therefore HELP.
16:36 asciilifeform i think earliest discuss. was http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-25#808006 .
16:36 a111 Logged on 2014-08-25 03:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's valid. a) erdos doesn't get his guidance from youtube ; b) most people taking it will scrub.
16:37 mp_en_viaje i think it was a 2015-2016 era item, possibly involving g_l either personally or in being
16:38 mp_en_viaje anyways. in other news ima be having brunch with phf tomorrow, if anyone wants me to hit him in the head for any reason let me know, i hear he's partly incapacitated anyway so it's the right time.
16:40 asciilifeform the, i think, canonical g_l 'performance dopes' thrd .
16:40 a111 Logged on 2017-11-29 19:02 gabriel_laddel: gtfo or do more drugs
16:43 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: imho the hammer analogy is poor, tho -- i've 'optimized cpu' with... grinder (polish heat sink), other folx -- with liquid n2, etc. 'barbaric' manipulation can in some cases optimize fine mechanism . for some value of optimize.
16:45 asciilifeform chemist & ex-auschwitz fella primo levi had an essay, actually , re where errything a chemist does is 'elephant watchmaker' , i.e. 'blunt' manipulations which add up to desired effect on microscopically fine subject
16:46 asciilifeform ( the typical g_l, as i understand, aint 'watchmaker elephant' , tho, but rather ordinary elephant. but this is possibly separate point. )
16:48 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: so wait, isidora was a pseudo-chix ?
16:49 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: AHA
16:49 asciilifeform had nfi
16:49 asciilifeform how does make 'sex scandal' with faux chix..?
16:49 BingoBoingo Neither did I
16:49 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: how discovered this ?
16:49 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> how does make 'sex scandal' with faux chix..? << Faux chicks create drama over the attention they aren't getting
16:50 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Is in the linked, archived piece
16:50 feedbot http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-acadia-gives-up-on-adp-104-maybe-it-shouldnt-have-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Acadia Gives Up On ADP-104 -- Maybe It Shouldn't Have. Adnotated.
16:50 asciilifeform 'transgender cryptographer' lol
16:51 BingoBoingo Unless the subject looks like Buck Angel, the man with a pussy or transmayogender... safe assumption is trans means pseudochick
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17:58 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-18#1923208 << notbad -- 4+ 4096bit modexp / second
17:58 a111 Logged on 2019-07-18 14:29 feedbot: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/07/unrolled-x86_64-assembly-multiplication-for-updated-to-ch-14-ffa/ << bvt's backtrace -- Unrolled x86_64 Assembly Multiplication for updated to Ch. 14 FFA
18:00 asciilifeform ( supposing 50% padding to payload -- this'd be 1024 bytes/sec of payload, i.e. quite enuff for a (compressed) voice conversation in realtime, say. )
18:00 asciilifeform using pure rsa.
18:02 asciilifeform == 8192 baud, if you like.
18:08 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, sure, can. but can doesn't scale to will, and you ALWAYS know the difference.
18:09 asciilifeform re which
18:09 mp_en_viaje eg, i can'd my own brain earlier, by taking a sulpha rather than having a cold.
18:09 asciilifeform aa aaa the prev thrd
18:09 asciilifeform i thought was re 8192baud
18:09 asciilifeform lol
18:09 mp_en_viaje hurr durr, but this very much isn't equal to "ima lick all toads and see what happens"
18:09 mp_en_viaje because when can, you already know in advance what happens.
18:11 asciilifeform i think even g_l folk know, roughly, in advance, what will be effect
18:13 asciilifeform ( in some industrial applications -- actually do not know in advance. in usa there is a 'national library of compounds' , coupla million synthetic rubbishes that literally no one had even fed to amoeba, much less to man. at one time asciilifeform's work consisted of uncrating $compound-of-the-day and brute force testing in vitro. but afaik dope people do not work from 'library', but from old 'mature tech' . )
18:14 asciilifeform ( funnily enuff , these same featured in the 'glove incident'. so occasionally 'in vivo' tested inadvertently.. )
18:14 a111 Logged on 2013-11-13 14:22 asciilifeform: finally i notice she's wearing latex gloves.
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18:52 mp_en_viaje in other lulz, apparently there does exist a neuroleptic that promotes weight loss rather than gain (molindone). had nfi.
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20:40 feedbot http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-a-case-study-on-why-policy-changes-fail-pharma-paying-docs-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - A Case Study On Why Policy Changes Fail: Pharma Paying Docs. Adnotated.
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21:12 * BingoBoingo awaits the rum fountain article's annotations
21:21 asciilifeform sooooo... loox like all things die. and nfs hosting co finally went fullbore stupid. asciilifeform's www is hosed, they 'upgraded' php forcibly.
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21:27 * asciilifeform put in what loox like a working workaround. if anyone sees barf , plox to write in. and will have to move the thing, i suspect, sooner than expected.
21:32 asciilifeform motherfuckers removed all human support, also, 'unless pay subscription, 30 $ up-front + 5/mo'
21:32 asciilifeform so there aint even to where send hate mail.
21:34 * asciilifeform reluctant to move www to piz, it's a fairly high traffic item, possibly adds up to half a trilema's (complete with regular ddosism)
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21:38 asciilifeform the idjicy, from horse's mouth.
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21:53 asciilifeform dropped this in their 'member forum', fwiw.
21:56 asciilifeform it's almost as if they don't like money.
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22:30 asciilifeform aaand their reply .
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22:30 asciilifeform most precious, 'As for WordPress, if your claim is that modern versions of WordPress are somehow less secure than older versions, that's also objectively incorrect, as shown by their release history and the number of fixes for security issues known to exist in older versions.' didjaknow !
22:31 * asciilifeform expected sumthing in this vein.
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22:58 BingoBoingo Well, this was pretty much anything but unexpected
22:59 asciilifeform dunno, behaved sanely for 12+ years.
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22:59 asciilifeform i suppose all death is expected.
23:00 BingoBoingo The NFS folks marketed a weird and persisted in man-aloning
23:02 BingoBoingo The surprise is that they did not simply say node.js or fuck you, to be discovered when their announcement in the form of a leaded chicom dildo materializes on your front stoop
23:03 asciilifeform lol
23:05 asciilifeform in other lulzy orc tech: that lolconditioner apparently has even moar interesting misfeature : no drain. yes. exhaust fan has paddle that is supposed to throw water from condensate pan through the hot-end grille. (i.e. sounds at all times like running faucet. and , reportedly, guaranteed to grow black mold and eventually leak into room... )
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23:05 a111 Logged on 2019-07-17 21:57 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in envirowhinerism noose : asciilifeform uncrated a 'window' type air conditioner to help in torture room; and found 1) cost ~2x than last time bought one 2) plastered with 'explosion hazard' warnings. apparently europistan banned ~all~ freons, new-type, old type, and as result EVERYONE gets cooling compressors fulla... butane. 3) internal insulation is... styrofoam. the white,
23:06 asciilifeform fortunately all needed to patch this, is ordinary drill.
23:07 * asciilifeform would've bought older unit, but those come with the mold pre-installed! sorta like buying used toothbrush, imho.
23:08 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923105 << I followed the same model for depwads that don't belong to the republic as was followed in the trb build toolchain.
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23:08 a111 Logged on 2019-07-17 15:41 diana_coman: I'm waiting on trinque to find out really.
23:09 trinque it'd be entirely appropriate to move to a model where the src is in the same tree.
23:09 trinque I also think you folks vastly underestimate the amount of labor that's going to take.
23:09 trinque yes, get rid of portage.
23:09 asciilifeform trinque: imho GB-sized vpatch makes a mockery of very concept.
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23:10 trinque certainly does.
23:10 asciilifeform even 100MB is pushing it. i dunno if i, personally, will live long enuff to read 100MB of cpp.
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23:10 asciilifeform of whatever origin.
23:11 trinque cuntoo genesis is raaaather tiny, and was intended to express what's necessary to capture
23:11 trinque it's a map
23:11 trinque yes, now graft in the src as territory is actually captured
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23:13 asciilifeform btw trinque i have a patched kernel, at some pt (sept?) when free hand, will be porting cuntoo userland.
23:13 a111 Logged on 2019-07-17 14:10 asciilifeform: the current kernel is <2MB. and prolly trimmable further. boot to shell in 3sec or so.
23:13 trinque hm neato
23:14 asciilifeform the unsolved puzzlers, for that experiment, are, in order of pain : 1) buildroot w/ musl 2) 100% gcc-4.7 process 3) nic emulation .
23:14 a111 Logged on 2019-07-17 13:22 asciilifeform: however it only provides 'uclibc' (and not musl, as prev. noted.)
23:14 trinque diana_coman: might not even be that hard to replace the unpacking step in emerge with some "copy from pressed vtree" step
23:18 asciilifeform trinque: the idea is, i want to emplace turnkey 'tx clears and you have root' 'virtual' service at piz. with cuntoo.
23:19 asciilifeform possibly with granular billing ('femtobitcoin per cpu cycle' even, or the like) or not, but in principle possible.
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23:20 asciilifeform and i refuse to use heathen virtualizers, where 9000 remote 0day are found erry month.
23:23 asciilifeform would like to offer heathens a) fully isolated linuxen b) at competitive cost. so far erryone in meat wot to whom showed piz rate sheet, replied something in vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922858 .
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23:23 a111 Logged on 2019-07-16 17:28 girlattorney: well the prices are a high for my budget, will check if here there somebody that want to group buy a node in uruguay to split the cost
23:28 asciilifeform if mp_en_viaje or other serious brain tells me why it's a stupid idea, i'ma listen. but atm i suspect it is necessary and inescapable.
23:29 * asciilifeform bbl:meats
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