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00:01 trinque I have no idea what you just asked.
00:15 lobbes Well, you said that automation is not what Pizarro needs. BingoBoingo brought up mp's data (from his fetlife filtering) that suggests that in order to reach actual humans and sift through the ocean, you need automation
00:16 BingoBoingo #pizarro gets a slow, steady number of walk ins
00:17 BingoBoingo Per mircea_popescu's documented experience it seems private messages on www traps is the highest return payload delivery path
00:18 lobbes yeah, and per my "not mutually exclusive?" I don't see why you can't have both automation AND good ad copy is all
00:21 lobbes in any case, I think trinque is pretty good at ad copy writing >> http://archive.is/WxgwM
00:21 lobbes and once asciilifeform's hands are free, I think he will be able to focus on the automated bits iirc
00:27 trinque man, as soon as somebody writes that automated lead generator we'll all retire with girls wrapped around our cocks just like mp.
00:28 trinque it's not IRC trivia that drives me away from you lot. it's the bizzare godman worship with *no intent whatsoever* to put in the work to make a red cent.
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00:43 BingoBoingo It was a bit of a surprise to me, but outside the wire... cockwrapping girls are easy to find. Like mp's or not like mp's is a matter of scarce head quality. Tomorrow, I'm going to have to put another dump out on my fight in the realm of what asciilifeform calls "unbounded symbols" and the enemy calls "modern democracy". There is a 10-12% chance per heathen polls that the risk profile of Pizarro in Uruguay elevates substantially over
00:43 BingoBoingo derps ritually marking papers.
00:46 trinque yes, I can angularly yap in my pet direction too.
00:46 trinque what are you going to do to grow your business?
00:56 BingoBoingo Tomorrow I am going to try the cuntoo genesis scripts on the test machine with a differrent set of found kernel configs while the Uruguayos play their annual independence day death race game. Then I'll ask alf if we have multithreading on ARM yet and suggest his next payload consist of either 4 full 1U AMD64 box, 2 1Ubox and 8 PCengines APU, or 3 1Ubox and 4 APU.
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00:58 BingoBoingo It isn't simply that I don't write new code that works, its that I've only ever successfully coded anyting with my delete key
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01:13 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: wat is this.. it would seem that trinque is offering his services ? why the immediate refusal? find out what he would like in recompense, and what offers.
01:15 feedbot http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/08/how-colocation-america-almost-lost-my-business-but-saved-themselves-in-the-end-for-now-at-least/ << lobbesblog -- How "Colocation America" almost lost my business, but saved themselves in the end (for now, at least)
01:17 lobbes !!v C4B7C053621BD1B438C068FBBFB194A30BC686F06B4DF548801933DA6C583534
01:17 deedbot lobbes paid BingoBoingo invoice 7
01:29 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I'm not refusing at all. I'm simply stating where it seems our outlook on the next hardware move is as of this moment, my admission of code generation inability Spanish hasn't helped, and I've highlighted an edge case risk (The Colorado Talvi as Prissident) which hangs over Pizarro's physical presence.
01:38 BingoBoingo And I am indeed giving Cuntoo another try because linux kernel shit is nearly Argentine cyanoacrylate level shit. The kernel config is an essential piece of making the orchestra string yet because shitgnomes it is a very rough edge to the fault of noone here but plenty of people out of here.
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01:57 lobbes I gotta say, the last ~20 or so lines have been one weird conversation. I think trinque was trying to say "pizarro needs sales yesterday, want help with it?" and BingoBoingo was trying to say "sure but automation of marketing is also important". Somehow none of the points connected despite everyone seemingly being in agreement (and my attempts at articulating it I don't think helped either)
01:57 lobbes anyways I'm off to learn more awk and then bed
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01:58 BingoBoingo lobbes: This is a very fair read
02:07 BingoBoingo In formerly local news, a classmate from undergrad is dead after executing a search warrant in East Saint Louis.
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04:21 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930548 <-> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930555 how about you stop asking each other stupid questions and do stuff instead! yes, they need everything, what can you do ?
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04:21 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-23 23:19:54 trinque: all of this posturing aside, do y'all want someone that gives a shit about selling pizarro accounts? need any help with that?
04:21 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-23 23:30:52 BingoBoingo: <trinque> all of this posturing aside, do y'all want someone that gives a shit about selling pizarro accounts? need any help with that? << A solution to automate private message placement on heathen forums is desired.
04:25 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930568 << conversely, if you're interested, it's the cazalla-esque "i'll remember about this place i used to be cool at whenever i'm drunk / argue with the wifey, but put 0 effort into either documenting myself or actually changing".
04:25 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-24 00:28:22 trinque: it's not IRC trivia that drives me away from you lot. it's the bizzare godman worship with *no intent whatsoever* to put in the work to make a red cent.
04:26 mircea_popescu one failure mode's not particularly better than the other ; nor is failure this magical and "nobody could have predicted"-y thing. your neglected blog's exactly like phf's neglected blog, and it drives the same sort of stupidity in both of you, for the same reasons, in the same ways.
04:27 mircea_popescu "butthurt"'s not even getting close. however you're misrepresenting it to yourself, what you're actually doing is fucking yourself over.
04:29 mircea_popescu the actual reality of the matter is this : that nicole could very well http://trilema.com/2018/meet-miss-piggy/ and yet her cunt didn't fall off ; eric could very well http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/08/on-relationships-or-how-pretense-kills/ and yet his cock didn't fall off ; but phf couldn't, and is butthole DID fall off.
04:31 mircea_popescu yes, the business inacumen & sheer inability to make money is going to kill "them", slowly but surely. the inability to think about yourself is going to make it irrelevant whether you're killed or not, however. it's one node up.
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04:53 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo, more's the point : are you drinking again ?
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06:38 hanbot mircea_popescu #pizarro logs paint a slightly different picture than the exchange above imo, for instance http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pizarro/2019-08-17#1000063 --though looks like trinque never got an answer. looks to me like miscommunication, not particularly lack thereof...though none of this speaks to the "where's this written on your blog" issue.
06:38 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-17 20:38:02 trinque: BingoBoingo: I had another idea re: customer acquisition for y'all.
06:41 * mircea_popescu didn't read #p, sorries.
06:41 mircea_popescu though in fairness, when crossing castle walls one's kindly asked to provide context, plox.
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09:43 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Last night I was. Today I am brewing coffee, getting thiamine, going to a meeting, asking myself why *this* stupidity again, and sticking my nose back in the book.
09:53 trinque at any rate. I have a coin processor that is only going to be worthwhile if there are services which use processing.
09:53 trinque on the blog front, I've got some weird brewing in response to the tlp seroquel annotation.
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09:54 trinque re: my various offers to #p, I'd be happy to fix the website and work on plans for outreach just as an experiment in increasing bot-wallet use
09:56 trinque by fix the website, I mean that it's currently written with #t as an audience, and if folks here were going to buy more #p services, they'd do so based whether BingoBoingo seems to be drinking again, not upon your website.
09:56 trinque website needs to be aimed outward
10:09 trinque I'll be out for a bit, bbl
10:20 mircea_popescu trinque, all of this is quite reasonable. what worries me, specifically, is the (by now sadly well documented) process whereby danielpbarron / mod6 / phf / etc 1. stop talking "because busy working", then 2. stop reading and then 3 "inexplicably" start "having problems", all very "varied" and "impredictable" subjectively, but from outside all very fucking transparently the same one thing.
10:21 mircea_popescu now, to take things apart : i don't think pizarro is sustainable as it stands. BingoBoingo 's been there for years now, and he's already showing the wear at the edges.
10:22 mircea_popescu if you'd be interested in helping out on that front, it'll prolly be best if you actually get involved in the partnership outright. none of this "fix the website copy" "helping", erryone wants to do the "helping" of employees whereas republic needs independent men not wage slave wannabe's.
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10:23 mircea_popescu in any case itll need a firm committment to a) discussing all the problems b) thoroughly.
10:24 mircea_popescu if it even can be salvaged anymore. but in any case if it continues as is the only possible result's pretty obvious, only the timeframe's perhaps dubious.
10:27 mircea_popescu otherwise, you don't specifically need pizarro to do outreach. you can do outreach on your own, on whatever lines are appealing. trilema is displaying a sexual avenue, "building a harem" ; diana_coman 's younghands thing is sorta 2year community college thing, "come and learn the basics of computing for very reasonable tuition". there's nothing wrong with that.
10:29 mircea_popescu nor is that any kind of an exhaustive list. build a 3d art studio if you fucking feel like it, hire two or twelve dozen +ev animators to make things. buy some real estate for rental/airbnb-ing and run the damned thing as your castle, buy a buncha cab medallions do that, pretty much ~anything~ can be it.
10:31 mircea_popescu there's literally no limit in anyone's way and all i hear for the past month is butthurt over "abuse" "cults" "worship" etcetera. what the fuck already, whole idea's a) do something ; b) show people ; c) get ~useful~ feedback. this cycle ALWAYS worked to date, no exception, so the common mind response's to... stop engaging ? what, is failure such a delightful thing gotta SOMEHOW ensure it ?
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10:32 mircea_popescu nobody's YET -ev for engaging in the a-b-c. not even once. so wtf.
10:32 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo, wtf, seriously ? what, are you bored over there, what is it ?
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11:00 BingoBoingo Curiosity, nostalgia, and the late winter blahs beat the idea, grown faint over time, that I don't even enjoy drinking. Loading up on caffeine, water, and vitamins has me feeling much more like a person than when I woke up today.
11:02 mircea_popescu incidentally, lobbes : as a purely off the cuff notion, if you feel like taking a trip to UY to evaluate whether "a new life" awaits for you there, we might be able to work something out!
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11:02 mircea_popescu does the notion appeal at all ?
11:10 diana_coman http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930582 - always good to learn something new but what are you aiming to do exactly?
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11:10 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-24 01:57:40 lobbes: anyways I'm off to learn more awk and then bed
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11:31 mircea_popescu "We have issued a warning to our technician who did not feel like installing something he was unfamiliar with." keks
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12:45 * asciilifeform eats log
12:47 asciilifeform holyfuq BingoBoingo ? drink? we dun have a spare BingoBoingo .
12:49 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930573 << why 'ask alf if we have multithreading on ARM', ffs, it was ave1's piece (and he seems to have awol again), afaik no one even has it on operating table atm
12:49 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-24 00:56:59 BingoBoingo: Tomorrow I am going to try the cuntoo genesis scripts on the test machine with a differrent set of found kernel configs while the Uruguayos play their annual independence day death race game. Then I'll ask alf if we have multithreading on ARM yet and suggest his next payload consist of either 4 full 1U AMD64 box, 2 1Ubox and 8 PCengines APU, or 3 1Ubox and 4 APU.
12:56 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930585 << and yes we need erry possible expertise! BingoBoingo yer 1st q for trinque oughta have been 'what'll it cost' . this being said, we're flat outta what to sell, it is impermissible to delay any longer the irons !
12:56 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-24 04:21:04 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930548 <-> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930555 how about you stop asking each other stupid questions and do stuff instead! yes, they need everything, what can you do ?
12:58 asciilifeform BingoBoingo unless you have a specific objection , i'ma go with 2x opteron (as already specced!) + 6x rk + 4x apu 1 . ( despite lack of adult gnat for rk , it continues to sell, really is the closest thing we have to an in-demand item )
12:58 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Yes, the compilers thing is on ave1 table, but I have to trust that you better understand the compiler situation.
12:59 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i also would like to find what it'd cost to widen the pipe. AND how much currently is eaten, and by whom. i have dark suspicion currently that we're dangerously low on pipe.
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13:00 asciilifeform i.e. it WILL have to be widened, and also possible that the 'all you can eat' model of divvying it up is not practical.
13:00 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i assume you read log, and did notice that e.g. mircea_popescu was getting 10 kB (!) / sec !!
13:02 mircea_popescu .388s right nao on same system
13:02 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: .388s for what mass of pg ?
13:03 mircea_popescu same exact curl as i quoted yest, it's in the history
13:03 mircea_popescu the one that was 24s befoar
13:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ftr my own measurements are wildly variant, i suspect the 3 ( 4? ) trb nodes are bursting and eating pipe
13:03 mircea_popescu possibru
13:04 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: and ffs , let's engage trinque immediately. agree on reasonable commission with him, if he wants one. and find what he's willing to do.
13:05 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: and remember that yer the current chairman. dun let yerself get incapacitated, asciilifeform is not expert in chairmaning , but someone has to actually fucking steer the thing, or we're sunk, irons or no irons
13:06 mircea_popescu lol, wait, he got sent to the penal chairman batallion ?
13:06 asciilifeform lol
13:06 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I'll draft an inquiry to fire off on Monday about pricing more pipe.
13:06 mircea_popescu wtf criteria is this, "you're the angel, im not expert angel"
13:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: more like 'if colonel aint answering, major will have to act on own position w/out answer!'
13:10 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: find what has to be done re the other q also (what is eating pipe??)
13:11 BingoBoingo trinque: let me know what sort of incentive or commision structure would interest you. Also as mircea_popescu suggested, think about engaging asciilifeform and mod6 about the chair...
13:12 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: mod6 , near as i can tell, is incapacitated. and i'm essentially prisoner. yer the current chair.
13:15 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: If trinque decides he wants to come in as an owner-partner, that is a conversation you and mod6 will have to handle as the owner-partners.
13:15 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo, you got no interest in pizarro as of yet ?
13:16 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: and remember that you did not end up with the work by happenstance, but because yer the 1 with all of the necessary skill. but you WILL have to avoid turning into mod6 , or no amt of expert will be able to help.
13:16 mircea_popescu i recall a lot of wrangling re warrants/options back in the dat
13:17 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: if trinque wants in -- i'm entirely in favour . fella currently runs a meatspace biz, in 1 of the most hostile environments imaginable, and as i understand -- successfully
13:18 * asciilifeform brb,tea
13:27 lobbes http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930619 << I am attempting to bake a 'logotron_lite' that will spit out static html logs from ZNC/irssi logs in the style of the classic #e logs, but without needing the pyturds used in the heathen irclog2html
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13:27 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-24 11:10:48 diana_coman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930582 - always good to learn something new but what are you aiming to do exactly?
13:27 lobbes I'm thinking I can perhaps do the html-izing bits 100% in awk and bash, tho for the bot echoing and search bits I think those will need at least a sqlite database and php
13:28 lobbes http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930617 << it does appeal, but I know before even taking a trip I need to sort a few things out on the homefront here (namely getting ex-girl outta my mortgaged house, selling house, etc.). Hard to say one way or another where I'll be in a year atm.
13:28 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-24 11:02:36 mircea_popescu: incidentally, lobbes : as a purely off the cuff notion, if you feel like taking a trip to UY to evaluate whether "a new life" awaits for you there, we might be able to work something out!
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13:28 lobbes I've begun charting the local bdsm scene here in charlotte for e.g., so who knows, that may yield fruit or it may not. Trying to get out of my shell and meet people who know things and do some meat networking locally for the time-being (this will all be in a blog post(s) once I do enough initial charting). Aside from that, financially speaking my short-term actions will be to keep my expenses low and
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13:28 lobbes regroup.
13:28 lobbes I'll keep it in the back of my head tho
13:28 BingoBoingo lobbes: A trip doesn't have to be forever.
13:29 mircea_popescu i confess i don't understand the difficulty. you call the realtor tell them the house is to go up for sale asap and call the police tell them someone's in your house please take them out.
13:29 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I negotiated with mod6 1 BTC cash compensation due September for managing pizarro September 1, 2018 to September 1st, 2019. In the early days with ben_vulpes at the helm there was warrant wrangling. Even if I had warrant wrangled the asciilifeform and mod6 ownership interests would still dwarf mine. Having the negotiation of their interests in an equity deal added to my plate seems like an incredible increase in
13:29 BingoBoingo responsibility here.
13:29 mircea_popescu between the two it should be done by... i dunno, monday ?
13:30 lobbes mircea_popescu: yeah, I think I'm overcomplicating it. I talked to an attorney yest. and they said the same thing really
13:30 lobbes 'just call the police'
13:30 mircea_popescu anyway, i'm not trying to make you go to uruguay.
13:30 mircea_popescu nfi why you'd want to spend $500 or w/e a lawyer wants per hour for walk-in just for that tbh
13:31 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo, aite.
13:31 lobbes well I wanted to avoid any of the classic 'reich traps'; for e.g. back in MA they have the 'common law marriage' thing (or used to at least)
13:31 mircea_popescu that'll have to be argued in some kind of court.
13:31 lobbes but luckily I'm in NC nao; no such things
13:32 lobbes and I'd love to visit BingoBoingo, but I also want to save a bit first to go on my own fuel in a sense
13:33 lobbes plus I only have so many weeks that I can take off from the salt mines, and I want to take time to visit old meat friends as well. Trying to plan out the order of operations I guess
13:34 mircea_popescu lobbes, ok, hear this out.
13:34 * lobbes listens
13:34 mircea_popescu i'd have no problem advancing some cash for the purpose. you can go there for say a month, see if you can / want to make a life for yourself there.
13:34 mircea_popescu on your end, one advantage is that indeed the expenses are significantly less than fucking boston. if you can manage to get employment remote, it'll give you a lot more free income than any of the carefully engineered to no tleave you anything us jobs
13:35 mircea_popescu also, presuming you need a new gf, it is possible better material in uy than ma / nc
13:35 mircea_popescu on my end, IF you actually like it there i guess we could start a little republican coven, buy a house and have more convenient anchoring.
13:36 mircea_popescu i wouldn't necessarily mind owning some uy real estate, if its actually being used by the lordship.
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13:36 mircea_popescu but all these are ifs, naught else
13:36 mircea_popescu ~fin~
13:37 lobbes interesting indeed. I will seriously consider
13:42 mircea_popescu as an added benefit, if your mortage's underwater, you can just walk away. mail the bank the keys and that's that.
13:42 mircea_popescu you're stuck being out of reich for ~6 years or so, but w/e, your republican credit's good.
13:42 lobbes really, all of my 'school debts' in the same manner could just... well disappear
13:43 BingoBoingo lobbes: Test driving the place is important as well on the "if you like it front"
13:43 lobbes true
13:43 BingoBoingo <lobbes> really, all of my 'school debts' in the same manner could just... well disappear << They do
13:43 mircea_popescu lobbes, generally they'll take a renegotiation, but basically... not depending on reich is always better than depending.
13:44 mircea_popescu anyway, these are large questions and nobody can answer for you, so don't take lightly.
13:44 lobbes very true. at least I have the ability to think on such questions these days
13:45 lobbes and I think I could actually manage to get a month to work remotely at current job; my co-worker for e.g. went for 4 weeks to his home in Israel and worked remotely, so wai couldn't I?
13:45 mircea_popescu i couldn't tell you dood.
13:45 lobbes no I know, it was rhetorical
13:45 mircea_popescu :p
13:46 BingoBoingo lobbes: All any fiatists in Uruguay care about here is whether you are in "clearing" or not. If you pay your Uruguay bills, you stay out of clearing and all is good. You don't pay your Uruguay bills, you go in clearing and outer barrio sadness awaits.
13:46 mircea_popescu wth is a clearing ?
13:48 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It's the English word they stole to mean something. The way credit reporting works here for individuals, all they can say is whether the person in question is in default or not.
13:49 mircea_popescu oh oh, i see.
13:49 BingoBoingo Here they just randomly adopt English words and put attach wildly different meanings to them.
13:49 mircea_popescu i rememeber
13:51 BingoBoingo While shop can be a verb or noun in English, with shopping a clear conjugation of the verb shop... Here, shopping is the noun and WTF is a shop.
13:53 BingoBoingo As the Peruana learns English she runs into many "Uruguayo pretends to know English" traps. She's still got quite a ways to go before getting a a key and being genesis'd into Republican personhood.
13:55 * mircea_popescu is rooting for peruana nevertheless.
13:57 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930660 << i didn't realise you were interested o.O
13:57 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-24 13:28:08 lobbes: I've begun charting the local bdsm scene here in charlotte for e.g., so who knows, that may yield fruit or it may not. Trying to get out of my shell and meet people who know things and do some meat networking locally for the time-being (this will all be in a blog post(s) once I do enough initial charting). Aside from that, financially speaking my short-term actions will be to keep my expenses low and
13:59 lobbes yeah, been interested for a while. But being stuck in last relationship prevented me from actually exploring that realm. Thing is that I have 0 experience, so gotta start somewhere
13:59 mircea_popescu i c!
14:00 lobbes went to my first 'munch' as they call it a few days ago; met some cool enough people at least. got another one today in a few hours. will see!
14:00 mircea_popescu well then, enjoy.
14:01 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930684 << holyfuq, i get up for tea and mircea_popescu offers to lend a battleship !
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14:01 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-24 13:36:24 mircea_popescu: i wouldn't necessarily mind owning some uy real estate, if its actually being used by the lordship.
14:01 mircea_popescu it's the natural progression, no ?
14:01 * asciilifeform already 'worx remote', could easily do multi-week tours of duty in BingoBoingostan, if we had such a thing
14:01 mircea_popescu mmm
14:02 mircea_popescu did you even like it ?
14:02 asciilifeform pretty sure i described liking
14:02 mircea_popescu i for some reason had the impression you rather didn't. nfi why, couldn't point to anything.
14:02 lobbes I remember asciilifeform raving over the cheese
14:02 mircea_popescu so then, if you like it, go scout for a house ?
14:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo at one time obsessively scouted , threw into log coupla dozen specimens he liked
14:03 mircea_popescu no but i mean, 3-4 bedroom sorta thing.
14:03 asciilifeform he seems to keep up to date with the local real estate map, even.
14:03 mircea_popescu 2 level, standalone. you know, house.
14:04 asciilifeform right, he went all around the city and bloodhounded. BingoBoingo plox to update mircea_popescu re findings.
14:04 mircea_popescu *thumbsup*
14:07 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930655 << this is potentially good idea, and iirc mircea_popescu described a recipe where can even be made from straight mp's-wp
14:07 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-24 13:27:32 lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930619 << I am attempting to bake a 'logotron_lite' that will spit out static html logs from ZNC/irssi logs in the style of the classic #e logs, but without needing the pyturds used in the heathen irclog2html
14:08 asciilifeform ( as i understand, tho, mine is actually faster, in re page generation, than a wp-based item would be; but imho oughta have ~different~ variants of logtron, not only 1 )
14:10 mircea_popescu this'd just be displayatron
14:11 asciilifeform right. ( as i understand one couldn't actually bot in php , it's made to run in bursts )
14:12 mircea_popescu yeah
14:12 mircea_popescu most hosts autokill scripts running > half min or so
14:13 asciilifeform aha, presumes 'wedged'
14:13 lobbes true. for the bot I think I may just take asciilifeform's item and hack it to use sqlite
14:13 lobbes so, pyturds would be in the mix, but not in the main log generation at least
14:14 asciilifeform lobbes: oughta be quite trivial. ( early phuctor sat on sqlite )
14:14 asciilifeform lobbes: i have a (not mature) variant of the bot, where all sqlism is removed, and when encounters new line it makes a 'post' req to a set url (that answers only on localhost) on the other end, instead of writing to db
14:15 asciilifeform lobbes: this would decouple entirely bot from db. but i left it alone, preferring to get working variant out the door asap
14:15 mircea_popescu could also just dump in flatfile
14:16 asciilifeform could. but then search is complicated, you do want to index the text
14:16 mircea_popescu grep :D
14:16 asciilifeform ( the <1s search folx are accustomed to, aint happening with straight grepism )
14:17 asciilifeform iirc phf didn't bother with indexing, simply kept all of log in memory and did equiv. of grep. but this only scales to a point.
14:18 mircea_popescu true
14:18 asciilifeform tbf could actually work for a rather long time -- the collective mass of the 6 chans logged by snsabot is atm <100MB
14:18 mircea_popescu indeed. i got boxes with 256gb
14:19 asciilifeform i rather like being able to use structured queries on the thing by hand, tho
14:19 lobbes plus with grep I'd imagine you open the door to 'rce' vulnerabilities. vs a sqlite db you can have trivial backups
14:19 mircea_popescu makes sense.
14:19 mircea_popescu lobbes, flatfile backup is one cp
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14:20 * asciilifeform when 1st tuned in, eschewed dbism, spat. today has shelf of dead tree even on subj. and in fact ate most of it.
14:20 mircea_popescu :p
14:20 * mircea_popescu did that!!!!1
14:20 asciilifeform in fact did. and iirc trinque et al also prodded.
14:20 mircea_popescu aha.
14:20 asciilifeform resulted in <1s phuctor search etc.
14:22 asciilifeform after phuctor, where dataset is 100+GB , puzzlers like log search felt comparatively painless
14:27 * asciilifeform looks sadly at his O(1) indexer for bitcoin , which could be driven into battlefield if only found fix for that gnat bugola
14:27 snsabot Logged on 2018-10-25 22:14:23 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in gnat bugs : apparently ( and this is documented or mentioned nowhere ) : it is impossible to have a Ada.Finalization.Limited_Controlled type ANYWHERE inside a static library, unless it is generic all the way down (i.e. if the lib package is generic, any sub-packages must also be instantiated as generics )
14:28 asciilifeform ^ 1 example of db job where traditional sqlistic db (which presumes need for inexpensive mutability and complex queries) aint appropriate
14:29 asciilifeform ^ was actually the 1st nontrivial proggy asciilifeform wrote in ada, just prior to picking up ffa
14:33 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930756 << ftr, right nao it loox like : pg_dump nsalog | gzip > /home/nsabot/log_db.gz; and on dulap , eats <8sec . ( getting the output to other boxes, however... )
14:33 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-24 14:19:48 mircea_popescu: lobbes, flatfile backup is one cp
14:35 asciilifeform ( ~eating~ 1 of these, takes ~10min. cuz pg gotta regenerate the indices, naturally )
14:36 asciilifeform afaik lobbes is the current champ in 'replicate asciilifeform's logger' , has working copy, and i expect will say moar later
~ 1 hours 45 minutes ~
16:22 feedbot http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-can-the-court-force-treatment-on-jared-loughner-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Can The Court Force Treatment on Jared Loughner? Adnotated.
~ 37 minutes ~
16:59 feedbot http://bingology.net/2019/08/24/making-chili-con-carne-in-uruguay/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Making Chili Con Carne In Uruguay
~ 25 minutes ~
17:24 mircea_popescu in which i wonder whether BingoBoingo is actually named for the adriano celentano movie
17:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: comment in modqueue
17:29 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: lol, is that a primus ?!
17:32 mircea_popescu done.
17:41 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: smaller lighter thing.
17:44 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: No, but I'lll have to watch the movie now
17:53 mircea_popescu ikr.
~ 24 minutes ~
18:17 diana_coman as I totally forgot: I confirm that diana_alt was indeed me talking in here and in #o.
~ 1 hours 30 minutes ~
19:48 feedbot http://bimbo.club/2019/08/the-maid/ << Bimbo.Club -- The maid.
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20:50 mircea_popescu nicoleci, lol top keks.
20:51 mircea_popescu in other subtle perfections, the dude who supervised installing my ac arranged for the condensation drip to go straight into my lovage bush
20:51 mircea_popescu that thing is HAPPY
21:05 BingoBoingo That's a win right there.
21:07 nicoleci mircea_popescu, haha thanks & maybe he should get his own post, spread the word on lovage
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21:56 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: congrats on getting the 'pre-ban' ac
21:56 snsabot Logged on 2019-07-18 23:05:37 asciilifeform: in other lulzy orc tech: that lolconditioner apparently has even moar interesting misfeature : no drain. yes. exhaust fan has paddle that is supposed to throw water from condensate pan through the hot-end grille. (i.e. sounds at all times like running faucet. and , reportedly, guaranteed to grow black mold and eventually leak into room... )
21:56 asciilifeform grr where was that classic photo of 'mp light bulb'
21:57 mircea_popescu did you see the shots of fuck you we use cfc unit ?
21:57 asciilifeform aha. but iirc was already the brominated cfc
21:57 asciilifeform ( at least not isobutane ! tho )
21:57 mircea_popescu no ?
22:02 asciilifeform hrm can't seem to find ~that~ ac in o(1) either..
22:03 asciilifeform ( thought it was in the 1st warsaw phototour but apparently not.. )
22:09 asciilifeform aa, was kiev .
22:11 asciilifeform r410a -- difluoromethane + pentafluoromethane, apparently. same as in my auto.
22:12 mircea_popescu is that a bad thing ?
22:13 asciilifeform afaik the least nasty of the faux-freons.
22:15 asciilifeform ( tho -- unlike classical freon -- it does burn. )
22:17 mircea_popescu supposedly more energy efficient than ye olde r22
22:18 asciilifeform isobutane supposedly evenmoar efficient, in theory.
22:19 mircea_popescu amusingly, r11/r12 still widely used even today
22:19 asciilifeform classical freon.
22:20 mircea_popescu not in ac (really useless for ac with modern tech), but for... polyurethane blowout
22:21 asciilifeform interesting -- i'd have naively imagined that'd use n2 or other cheap unreactive gas
22:21 mircea_popescu ikr ?
22:22 asciilifeform possibly the refrigerative coefficient actually matters in the blowout
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23:30 trinque http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930608 << this is possible, but it wont be a good-money-after-bad thing, which is why I'm first yammering about what I want fixed, not throwing money.
23:30 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-24 10:22:53 mircea_popescu: if you'd be interested in helping out on that front, it'll prolly be best if you actually get involved in the partnership outright. none of this "fix the website copy" "helping", erryone wants to do the "helping" of employees whereas republic needs independent men not wage slave wannabe's.
23:31 trinque http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930613 << to be clear, I'm not butthurt at mircea_popescu, nor criticizing him. I was taking shots at folks speaking importantly while this afaik important piece of republican infrastructure doesn't look too healthy.
23:31 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-24 10:31:24 mircea_popescu: there's literally no limit in anyone's way and all i hear for the past month is butthurt over "abuse" "cults" "worship" etcetera. what the fuck already, whole idea's a) do something ; b) show people ; c) get ~useful~ feedback. this cycle ALWAYS worked to date, no exception, so the common mind response's to... stop engaging ? what, is failure such a delightful thing gotta SOMEHOW ensure it ?
23:35 asciilifeform meanwhile: today's trilemalotto .
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23:37 asciilifeform trinque: your fixes are a++ and imho oughta be put in service asap.
23:37 trinque have awstats on the site or anything?
23:38 asciilifeform trinque: my current fixation is irons, we're fresh outta vacant irons.
23:38 asciilifeform BingoBoingo when you wake up -- do we have site stats ?
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23:41 asciilifeform trinque while we're on subj of open problems, didja ever comment re http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-07-24#1924558 ?
23:41 snsabot Logged on 2019-07-24 12:01:18 asciilifeform: and atm 'back to chalkboard' re how to answer it
23:42 asciilifeform asciilifeform attempted frontal attack of ^ problem, but broke teeth, 0 to show for it.
23:44 trinque I mean, my inner emulated asciilifeform says there's no such thing as isolated sessions on shared hardware
23:45 trinque moreover are there enough customers that care?
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23:45 asciilifeform trinque: was thinking of vandalism-isolation, rather than cryptologic.
23:45 trinque could just use the linux "namespaces" thing
23:45 asciilifeform 1 hoses machine, n-1 remaining -- will care.
23:46 asciilifeform namespaces?
23:47 trinque http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man7/namespaces.7.html
23:47 asciilifeform trinque: the namespaces thing does 0 against kernel privescs. which are ~dime/dozen.
23:48 trinque just depends on where you want the bar
23:50 asciilifeform atm bar is set scandalously low. pretty much anyone can format hdd (or subtler vandalism) of a shared linux box he has any form of acct on, with week or 2 of effort.
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23:50 asciilifeform and, moreover, leave 0 footprint of just-which user set off the boojum.
23:52 trinque no real proposal here other than to do what others do.
23:52 trinque that doesn't help you differentiate much.
23:52 asciilifeform i fatwa'd 'xen', 'qemu', etc.
23:53 trinque ever considered offering specific services rather than commodity server boxen?
23:53 asciilifeform reliably good for 5-6 lethal 0day erry month, these
23:53 asciilifeform trinque: atm there is 'wp service'. can't presently think what else could offer
23:56 trinque my dear old dad never once asked me whether he needed a server, but he has asked me whether he should have a VPN
23:57 trinque I'm not addressing whether he actually needs a VPN, but how hard is it to take p crypto and make a VPN?
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23:57 asciilifeform lol at least not asked if needs 'keybase' yet..
23:57 trinque laughed my ass off when he asked me whether some shitcoin was any good. at least he asks!
23:58 asciilifeform trinque: principal difficulty re 'vpn' is 1) it's a fundamentally dumb product 2) attracts nuisances which reliably draw fire ( spam, frontal baitings of usg , etc ) 3) reqs ridiculous amt of pipe
23:58 trinque I'm curious whether there's a market for the VPN item. gets the republican network layer paid for, if so.
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