#trilema | 2019-09-12

00:53

ok, well confirmed that both the znc2tmsr and irssi2tmsr converters output to spec re: action lines. Looks like it is just the raw log knob. I will dig into it, fix, and patch

~ 41 minutes ~

01:35

lobbes

wow, this might end up being the smallest patch ever. forget one line, this is one character in one line! fix tested and worx. patch incoming..

~ 1 hours 4 minutes ~

02:40

lobbes

well, I was wrong; still small patch, but ended up being > one char. Good thing I retested and reread

02:41

feedbot

http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/raw_line_fixkvvpatch/ << lobbesblog -- raw_line_fix.kv.vpatch

02:42

lobbes

asciilifeform: ^ for your testing and approval

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02:42

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lobbes off to bed

~ 1 hours 32 minutes ~

04:14

mircea_popescu

in other greats outside the walls : https://www.jassa.org/?p=10723 << this dude ~actually sourced~ an extremely rare (online, it is in the basic toolkit of any serious medievalist, excellent late 1800s edition bei Boretius/Krause (BK)) source (Inquisitio de theloneis Raffelstettensis, BK 253) and then translated it.

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04:16

mircea_popescu

the translation's far from terrible ; the item's important because a) it plainly discusses the slave trade (which, yes, underpinned most of the imperial economy eight years ago) and references a coin that's a.1) unatested anywhere else in the (voluminous, and pompous) imperial paperwork and a.2) isn't the official coin.

04:16

mircea_popescu

not to put too fine a point on it : yes slave trade ; no dubaloos.

~ 54 minutes ~

05:10

diana_coman

interesting

05:14

mircea_popescu

eight yeaes lol. i mean eight centuries.

05:17

diana_coman

I can't find anything about the author(s?) there though, no contact no nothing.

05:17

diana_coman

of the blog I mean, ofc.

05:18

mircea_popescu

:p

05:21

mircea_popescu

last article from the 9th, though, so he's active.

05:21

mircea_popescu

i guess ima leave him a comment.

05:22

diana_coman

aha, looks active at least

05:22

diana_coman

meanwhile, after ~2 hours, I *finally* finished the log-reading of over-night logs, go me; it just strikes me that with #o I made myself even *more* to read, lol.

05:22

mircea_popescu

but of course.

~ 19 minutes ~

05:42

mircea_popescu

spyked, you know what, re img pastebin ? i think im just going to revive ye ancient dtng service

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~ 39 minutes ~

06:21

mircea_popescu

asciilifeform, this acceptabru on ye pizarro ?

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06:24

mircea_popescu

(and since we're doing history : anyone know of a study describing anne hutchinson's self-evident influence upon the concept of a "witch" in the colonies, and retelling the "witch trials" as her necessary epiphenomenal epigonic downstream ?)

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06:35

mircea_popescu

(long story short, eugenie grandet of the colonies really really wants to impress le petit monsieur vane-charles, if not with a bit of cold pheasant for breakfast then at least with some gossip circle fireworks. needless to say the local bureaucrats weren't impressed with any of it.)

~ 37 minutes ~

07:12

mircea_popescu

trinque, pastes 504 ?

07:14

mircea_popescu

also re http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934962 : evidently the correct equation is (27*3+10)^4 = 68574961, because both small and capital letters. 68mn should be plenty.

07:14

snsabot

Logged on 2019-09-07 16:45:11 mircea_popescu: 37^4 = 1874161, no way anyone's doing 2mn pastes/week

~ 2 hours 38 minutes ~

09:53

trinque

looks to be working from here, sure you're using paste.deedbot.org (same IP as deedbot.org)

09:53

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trinque afk 'til later

~ 59 minutes ~

10:52

asciilifeform

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935740 << ty lobbes ! i will test & emplace this today

10:52

snsabot

Logged on 2019-09-12 02:42:06 lobbes: asciilifeform: ^ for your testing and approval

10:53

asciilifeform

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935742 << pretty great link. surprised to see archaeologist like this writing in engl.

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10:53

snsabot

Logged on 2019-09-12 04:14:57 mircea_popescu: in other greats outside the walls : https://www.jassa.org/?p=10723 << this dude ~actually sourced~ an extremely rare (online, it is in the basic toolkit of any serious medievalist, excellent late 1800s edition bei Boretius/Krause (BK)) source (Inquisitio de theloneis Raffelstettensis, BK 253) and then translated it.

10:54

asciilifeform

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935756 << it's a great idea imho. but prolly oughta be operated via commands in #t or similar , otherwise no amt of pipe or disk will ever suffice

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10:54

snsabot

Logged on 2019-09-12 06:21:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, this acceptabru on ye pizarro ?

10:56

asciilifeform

ha, pretty light log today.

~ 58 minutes ~

11:55

dorion

http://logs/nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935621 << thanks, but the arm docs say ARMv8-A has ARMv7-A (AArch32) compatibility

11:55

snsabot

Logged on 2019-09-11 14:34:47 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935522 << afaik 'b' won't work (unlike on x86)

~ 15 minutes ~

12:10

asciilifeform

dorion: interesting. i was for some reason certain that it didn't have a 32ism layer

12:12

asciilifeform

dorion: have you tried this ?

12:20

dorion

asciilifeform no Sir. hence my question: is it better to patch boost for arm64 support or build arm 32 bit bitcoind to run on rockchip ?

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12:22

asciilifeform

dorion: at some pt we'll definitely want a properly 64bit trb on arm, so can use >4GB. thing is, currently there appears to be no arm64 box on the market that actually has >4GB.

12:22

dorion

it seems to me the latter is more straightforward, but that doesn't means it's better.

12:22

asciilifeform

so in short term imho useful to build, supposing it'll run, the 32bit one

12:23

asciilifeform

already in the 'pogo' experiment we had a working 32bit arm trb. so i expect it is doable with existing toolchain for 32-under-64.

12:24

asciilifeform

you'll still need a box with at least 2GB ram, to operate usefully.

12:28

mircea_popescu

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935766 << ikr!

12:28

snsabot

Logged on 2019-09-12 10:53:39 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935742 << pretty great link. surprised to see archaeologist like this writing in engl.

12:29

mircea_popescu

was fully expecting russian to pop in at any moment. didn't see it ; but the topic is very central to rus' nationality research, a mirror of the novgorod-constsantiniople trade, this slavic over-the-danube thing. so not all hope is lost.

12:29

mircea_popescu

besides, the coin's russian.

12:30

asciilifeform

mircea_popescu: he has some entirely good translations of ru texts. i ran into 1 piece where he has a 17th c. snippet, properly translated.

12:30

dorion

asciilifeform: ok, thank you. I've looked into the pogo experiment and will adapt was needed. I have box with >2GB ram: the rockchip.

12:30

mircea_popescu

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935768 << wat, i'm paying.

12:30

snsabot

Logged on 2019-09-12 10:54:38 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935756 << it's a great idea imho. but prolly oughta be operated via commands in #t or similar , otherwise no amt of pipe or disk will ever suffice

12:32

mircea_popescu

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935775 << not that you asked me, but atm the better is to do both of these and report findings.

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12:32

snsabot

Logged on 2019-09-12 12:20:41 dorion: asciilifeform no Sir. hence my question: is it better to patch boost for arm64 support or build arm 32 bit bitcoind to run on rockchip ?

12:32

asciilifeform

mircea_popescu: atm we still have 'kolhoz' bandwidth, i.e. 'all you can eat', but i expect if we put up an image paster it'll saturate the pipe 100% . ( naturally if mircea_popescu wants to make arrangements to get monster pipe specially for this experiment, i'ma work with him to make it go. but promises to be costly. )

12:32

mircea_popescu

well, more of a "we cross that when we actually get to it whainot."

12:32

mircea_popescu

iirc original item was bad, but not nearly trilema-bad

12:33

asciilifeform

hey BingoBoingo , were you able to get data re this q ?

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12:33

snsabot

Logged on 2019-08-24 12:59:29 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i also would like to find what it'd cost to widen the pipe. AND how much currently is eaten, and by whom. i have dark suspicion currently that we're dangerously low on pipe.

12:33

mircea_popescu

(then again trilema bad is a thing in its own class - for instance anyone recal lthe time of the deal wiht copypaste, when trilema served a few imgs on each page of the 8chan ever loaded ? came to astonishing amt)

12:36

asciilifeform

mircea_popescu: i expect you'll want mechanical disks for this item. lemme know the types , will procure'em ( when the crate is flown, mircea_popescu will have 2 own boxen, the current smg , and its spare ; piz will have the 2 vacated boxen, which mircea_popescu can either purchase or lease , lemme know which prefer . ea. takes up to 4 disks . )

12:37

mircea_popescu

can you put fast raid in there ?

12:37

mircea_popescu

ie no parity

12:37

asciilifeform

i.e. striped ? sure

12:37

mircea_popescu

hardware ?

12:38

asciilifeform

all piz x86 boxen have iron raid , w/ 4 hoses.

12:38

asciilifeform

'3ware' type .

12:38

mircea_popescu

very nice. so get then 4 whatever plate disks you folk recommend on the basis of your extensive experience with computer hardware, seagate ?

12:39

asciilifeform

worx.

12:39

mircea_popescu

and make them a strip raid. and this;ll be the trilema.org / dtng box then

12:39

asciilifeform

got it.

12:39

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asciilifeform adds to purchase list .

12:39

mircea_popescu

and if bw comes to grief, we can either further tune the software via same process trilema.org was invented anyway ; or else spand the pipe, we see theb

12:39

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mircea_popescu will confess all this is pretty fucking exciting.

12:40

asciilifeform

at worst we'll simply use apache's throttle, aha. oughta work.

12:40

mircea_popescu

reminds me of the time trinque stood me up the famous (har har) http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-25#1930911 box, in excitingness.

12:40

snsabot

Logged on 2019-08-25 07:37:18 mircea_popescu: (yes, believe it or not, i ran a "all films reviewed on trilema" server for like... a year. to see if anything interesting happens. major pipe and everything, came to high four figures all told, mostly hardware, soem sweat to get it up.

12:41

mircea_popescu

asciilifeform, yeah, isn't light log a pleasure on tired eyes!

12:41

asciilifeform

indeed

12:42

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mircea_popescu also never thought he'll live to have a use for pure stripped raid arrays.

12:42

dorion

http://logs/nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935789 << yes Sir, thank you. I will proceed with the 32 bit build first, blog it, then circle back to see wh

12:42

snsabot

Logged on 2019-09-12 12:32:09 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935775 << not that you asked me, but atm the better is to do both of these and report findings.

12:42

mircea_popescu

but this is the ideal application : trielma's backed up anyways, and losing dtng chanmaterial... well.

12:43

dorion

*what has to be done with boost for aarch64 support.

12:44

asciilifeform

mircea_popescu: if you want 100% striped (vs. e.g. 2x mirrored 2x striped ) i still recommend to think about how will back up such box. with the current pipe, backing up remotely e.g. 4TB, will take ~week (and that's if entire population of piz is idling)

12:46

asciilifeform

a 100%-striped 4disk array will perish if even 1 disk dies.

12:49

mircea_popescu

i have no intention of backing it up.

12:49

mircea_popescu

if it croaks, it'll get reinstalled.

12:49

asciilifeform

aite, then.

12:50

mircea_popescu

attempting to put in production alf-formulated republican theoretical theosophy earlier, "spin up instance on spot" or however it went

12:50

mircea_popescu

i confess as a merchant i have a literal and approximative grasp on theological arcana.

12:51

asciilifeform

mircea_popescu: we'll snapshot the os a la dulap/smg so can be done reasonably quickly, when disk goes.

12:52

mircea_popescu

or rahter, if. incidentally, there's some way to read smart data ? i get oyu don't use the buttholes, but locally there still is a way yes ?

12:53

asciilifeform

mircea_popescu: on 3w : smartctl -a -d 3ware,x /dev/twa0 (where x is the hose #)

12:54

asciilifeform

i do this regularly on own boxen, to determine which disk next to throw out & prophylactically swap

12:55

asciilifeform

the 1 twist is, not all failures follow the expected rate (esp. on mech hdd)

12:55

mircea_popescu

aha.

12:56

asciilifeform

example output.

12:57

BingoBoingo

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935794 << Is the dtng box going to want its own line coming in?

12:57

snsabot

Logged on 2019-09-12 12:33:45 asciilifeform: hey BingoBoingo , were you able to get data re this q ?

12:57

asciilifeform

BingoBoingo: not initially. see whole thrd.

12:57

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BingoBoingo eating thread

~ 15 minutes ~

13:13

mircea_popescu

asciilifeform, what's a line ?

13:13

asciilifeform

mircea_popescu: net pipe

13:13

mircea_popescu

ah, absolutely not

13:13

mircea_popescu

in fact i expect very little traffic tbg

13:14

mircea_popescu

will be trilema.org/dtng meaning it'll still block bw leeching, meaning -0 interest from all the usual makers of something from nothing.

~ 34 minutes ~

13:48

BingoBoingo

I suspect the dtng resurrection is the way to do image pasting, seeing how everyone else constantly resurrects the broken less functional takes on the chan format

14:00

BingoBoingo

In other news, Art Deco Today: http://archive.is/qMTzn

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14:35

feedbot

http://trilema.com/2019/59-particulars-laid-down-for-the-regulating-of-things-a-selection/ << Trilema -- 59 Particulars laid down for the Regulating of things. A selection.

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15:13

asciilifeform

ACHTUNG, panzers! lobbes , diana_coman , et al : reader.py on dulap updated to lobbes's raw-export-fix. vtree page updated w/ lobbes patch and lobbes , asciilifeform , sigs.

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15:20

asciilifeform

diana_coman i recommend to read & emplace this one, so lobbes & asciilifeform can resync from your /log-raw : the old export mechanism was apparently broken in the case of 'action' lines.

15:21

diana_coman

asciilifeform: ok, added to the ever-growing list.

15:21

asciilifeform

ty diana_coman

15:22

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asciilifeform not yet had to resync at all, hence never stepped on the mine.

15:22

asciilifeform

( and apparently when diana_coman synced, got lucky, there were no 'actions' )

15:23

diana_coman

asciilifeform: hm, kind of weird, in all #trilema logs no actions??

15:24

asciilifeform

diana_coman: bug was specifically in /log-raw , rather than db (which iirc you ate wholesale, and then manually synced coupla lines during the interval remained )

15:24

asciilifeform

see lobbes's article re where .

15:28

asciilifeform

diana_coman: compare w/fix vs. your current to see the diff.

~ 2 hours ~

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lobbes needs to emplace own fix on production logs. Will do this now..

17:32

diana_coman