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00:25 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935444 << not accurate description of thread.
00:25 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-10 23:50:19 trinque: asciilifeform: and you know, to take the other side of the leucosys thing, this is mircea_popescu's hall. he didn't ban anyone from yours, or mine.
00:27 asciilifeform trinque: orig. contention, which i disputed. phf was 1 of the very, very few people whose hands grew from right place, and it will take very long time to replace , not even speaking of the full functionality of the orig. bot ( still not had ) but of e.g. the vpatch viewer, which i use erry fucking day of the week
00:27 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-09 05:21:49 mircea_popescu: imagine, all this flurry of exciting new development could have been occuring in 2017, if i had the sense to kick phf out on his rear in 2017, rather than let him sit his dumb ass on us for two years.
00:29 asciilifeform trinque: obv. mircea_popescu's (and for that matter anyone's) ratings are b/w him and odin. but imho to present the disappearance of phf as some kinda win, is disingenuous at best .
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00:30 asciilifeform trinque: 2-3 moar 'wins' like this and what will be left , will be mircea_popescu writing his memoirs.
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00:30 trinque why doesn't asciilifeform have a relationship with phf independent of mircea_popescu ?
00:31 asciilifeform trinque: cuz we're both recluses .
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00:31 trinque I quite like phf ftr, on the basis of history, but I don't think that's the point
00:32 asciilifeform trinque: ftr i don't even know what did phf in. (it wasn't the ski mishap, obv. but some chronic degeneration)
00:32 asciilifeform trinque: and also ftr i have nfi where Framedragger, esthlos, went.
00:34 asciilifeform it is very easy to say 'they were weak, fughet'em'. but fact remains, they were not replaced , of yet .
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00:37 trinque asciilifeform can remember or forget whomever he wants, no?
00:38 trinque if republic doesn't mean "fuck you, I'll tell you who my friends are" in all directions, wtf, lets skip right back to empire?
00:39 asciilifeform trinque: for my part, i remember'em as folx who did 1st class work, of the kind i suspect nobody born after '90 is able to do, full stop. but then ran outta steam. (why, i do not know.)
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00:39 asciilifeform trinque: fwiw i suspect they 'ran' to bottle, rather than 'to empire'.
00:40 trinque I mean, it's empire-shaped thinking to say mircea_popescu should consult with you and whomever else on who he likes.
00:40 asciilifeform trinque: from where this implication ?
00:40 trinque or you idem
00:41 trinque iirc mircea_popescu met phf irl, didn't like him, and that was that
00:41 asciilifeform trinque: my contention wasn't that it was somehow work for mircea_popescu to nurse'em back to health (how?)
00:42 asciilifeform if i knew why some folx are good for a year, others -- 2, 3, etc. i promised, would say.
00:45 asciilifeform but i aint about to nod to 'x was always trotskyist, we were mistaken from day 1 to involve him' logic.
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00:47 trinque it's unfortunate no phf<->asciilifeform remains absent mp, such that this could be demonstrated otherwise.
00:47 trinque but I don't know if my point is coming across.
00:48 trinque it's what I hear in the admonitions about blogging, ftr.
00:49 asciilifeform trinque: for that matter, there ain't a spare mircea_popescu either. observe that nobody else knows how to strip the valence electrons from folx like phf and make'em usefully react. none of the burnouts are doing anyffin worth note in e.g. #a .
00:49 * asciilifeform brb,meat
00:49 trinque tried telling them to do anything?
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00:51 trinque when they line up quietly like that they're either jacking off to you, or waiting for you to tell them what to do, or both!
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00:59 lobbes http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935472 << nah, it came down to what the WoT is all about ("how well are you able to answer questions about X person if asked?"). Nobody could answer as to where he was when needed. Hence MP's whole "nickel's worth of clues" article (the title was apt).
00:59 ericbot Logged on 2019-09-11 03:57:39 trinque: iirc mircea_popescu met phf irl, didn't like him, and that was that
00:59 lobbes This doesn't even mean the same thing as "not a good guy" or "arms don't grow from right organ" in my book. Simply a WoT matter
01:07 lobbes there's been plenty of people in my meatlife who I like a great deal; enjoy their company. But I also wouldn't trust them with xyz. The WoT is individual to individual for a reason. One person may be able to answer questions better about another than another. The tendons between mp and phf weakened, but this ain't a republic of one after all. Phf could resurface in asciilifeform's castle tomorrow and
01:07 lobbes continue to do great work for the next 10 years for all we know. (I hope he does for that matter)
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01:37 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935481 << matter of fact, did. for instance when phf reappeared, told him to genesis his logotron. guess what was result ?
01:37 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-11 00:49:58 trinque: tried telling them to do anything?
01:42 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935482 << iirc mircea_popescu warned about this (and apparently was right) : the coupla folx in #a, already would not do when mircea_popescu asked ; why would they do when asciilifeform asks, who isn't famous hero, has no millions, no harems, nothing in particular that forces recalcitrant folx to stand up. so far the output of the #a people is the predicted 0.
01:42 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-11 00:51:19 trinque: when they line up quietly like that they're either jacking off to you, or waiting for you to tell them what to do, or both!
01:43 * asciilifeform bbl,bed.
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02:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, gotta also take it easy, if one were to judge "the output" of #t on the basis of its however many first weeks...
02:11 mircea_popescu for YEARS /me did not give a shit, #t hosted club of (romanian-speaking, as it happens, but of no consequence past that coincidence), exactly same automatons working the same way getting the same results
02:11 mircea_popescu ~all that crawls out of cunt these days is anal children, like it or not, pretend how you would.
02:11 mircea_popescu here they sat, same #trilema as today, and preened, like these do. nothing came of it, and then one day i showed up and kicked them all out.
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02:14 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935439 << keks.
02:14 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-10 23:37:11 trinque: damn, now it has to be good.
02:14 mircea_popescu but yes, the ~one~ good (unintentional, and unaware, but neither of this matters) 2nd order effect of attempted socialism is that in the mid phase it shook the complacency out of people.
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02:15 mircea_popescu the obverse of that "oh, stalin got tupolev back out of dungeon" coin is that BEFORE getting itno dungeon, cis-tupolev, the whole half million of them, had ONE DAMNED GOOD reason to get out of bed in the morning. "holy shit it's gonna happen to me", terror works. on short stretches at a time, but works.
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02:17 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935442 << tjhere's a thread re micro/macro economy and a discussion of money in its dual aspect somewhere but i can't take the time to find it for you right nao, leaving for hunedoara castle in about five minutes. we can revisit this in weekend though, ping me.
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02:17 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-10 23:44:57 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934680 << the lever here is the increasing purchasing power of btc or something else? and if it's to remain mp's business and not mine, that's fine too.
02:17 mircea_popescu when you switch from discussing "my getting enough to eat tomorrow" to "here's this island, manage it", all the tools keep the names get different powers.
02:20 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935445 << yes, and look how beautifully sabotage-y ~highly intelligent~ idiotic misbehaviour actually is : if i wasn't me, but slightly less of a me such as to not notice the problem and get carried away emotionally, we'd have a fine problem on our hands, through having ruined an important pilla
02:20 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-10 23:53:00 lobbes: iirc he made a point that he doesn't read other castle's logs for this reason (so as to not embitter the grounds there)
02:20 mircea_popescu r for the world early on, when "nobody" knew what's what.
02:20 mircea_popescu most groups tryna challenge the system of idiocy die this way, because early on they destroy some tiny thing which is actually critcal for long term survival, unawares.
02:21 mircea_popescu the problem with embryos -- you never know which set of literally three cells will be the eye and also the only shot you get at ever having eyes.
02:23 mircea_popescu and to properly bolster the fundaments of the foregoing terror -- it DPOES NOT MATTER whether one actually was, deliberately, working for the enemy. from my pov, phf is not "merely an idiot", but very well saboteur anon describes NOT because he actually is, but because... again, guy found with smoking gun next to dead president is hanged, [http://logs.nosu
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02:23 mircea_popescu chlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-12-17#1752614][]even if] "tje aliens did it"
02:24 mircea_popescu this mirrors the above discussion re money exactly : in a certain context, idiocy can be just idiocy. but when you engage (and it does not matter how far above your paygrade the engaging is, or how coincidental -- the smoking gun dude could be retarded, iq <30, he'll hang just as well) the very hot core of the first mover in certain ways... suddely it's not no more.
02:26 mircea_popescu and so this is what happened there, the complete story : he did ~just what a saboteur would do~, because look how fucking wunderbar=ly it'd have sabotaged if it worked ; and a less-than-divine mp easily would've gotten fucked over it. so now -- we can never be friends again, i ain't getting over that.
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02:26 mircea_popescu much like you can never be friends with the man who shot and missed -- because he can never be anything else now, besides the dood who took his shot
02:28 * mircea_popescu sings "He was slick but I was slicker, he drew quick but I was quicker and the table stopped his ticker Surly Joe - Yee Haw"
02:28 mircea_popescu an' buhbye
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03:40 dorion http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-07-26#1925030 << I've managed to make progress on the rockchip trb build, but've not yet succeeded. Presently the status is:
03:40 snsabot Logged on 2019-07-26 10:17:04 dorion: ty mp_en_viaje I am Robinson Dorion, the someone BingoBoingo mentioned had inquired about the rk. Plan is to sync a trb node there.
03:40 dorion 1. I used the buildroot menuconfig to produce a rotor_buildroot_aarch64_dot_config.
03:42 dorion 2. I modified the build/Makefile and build/Makefile.rotor to build the aarch64 toolchain, bdb and openssl.
03:43 dorion 2a. The config.guess and config.sub files for bdb were taken directly from the links in the configuration error message : http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=config.git;a=blob_plain;f=config.guess;hb=HEAD ; http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=config.git;a=blob_plain;f=config.sub;hb=HEAD
03:45 dorion 3. Boost has proven to be the most stubborn. 1.52.0 was released in 2012 and, from my understanding, aarch64 support wasn't added until 2015 in 1.58.0. Said support included adding asm, entry point of reference here : http://archive.is/jciFv
03:46 dorion It appears to me the options are a) make a patch to boost to backport the aarch64 support , b) build the arm 32bit toolchain and 32bit bitcoind on rockchip and attempt to run there.
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03:46 dorion It's not clear to me which is preferable and I would appreciate some direction.
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04:08 dorion http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934639 << I came across http://bbgentoo.ilb.ru/ , which appears to do a decent job of preserving distfiles. e.g. has nearly entire php-4.x series, except ~actual weightlifter~. even has php 2 and 3 tarballs. there is also what appears to be a portage tree dated 2011-01-31. I downloaded, but haven't yet cracked it open.
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04:08 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-07 06:43:33 mircea_popescu: in any case, the net's been thoroughly scrubbed : http://il.php.net/get/php-4.4.8.tar.bz2/from/us.php.net/mirror no longer works (they even redirected the old /get/ directory to the manual now) ; the downloads studiously only includes the (entirely useless) 7 series. even lulzy spamsites a la http://www.oldapps.com/php_programming_language.php?old_php=13 are dead (the frontend works, but the [http://download.oldapps.com/PH
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09:21 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935440 - I don't think my view on this (specifically for #trilema) has yet enough substance to even warrant the name of "view"; fwiw I'm not even sure that one can define a "threshold" generically, like this.
09:21 ossabot Logged on 2019-09-10 23:53:35 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935205 << where is the leucosys threshold in diana_coman's view?
09:21 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-09 11:40:47 diana_coman: what I can't quite get in all this is why is asciilifeform fighting mircea_popescu's leucocite-qualities so much and at every occasion?
09:23 diana_coman there is always (and still available and I'd like to see it taken by phf, yes) the place in other castles; so I suppose, if one must answer the question, the threshold as I see it atm = reaching to ban from *other* castles.
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09:24 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935444 - heh, look at that; precisely ^
09:24 ossabot Logged on 2019-09-11 00:05:56 trinque: asciilifeform: and you know, to take the other side of the leucosys thing, this is mircea_popescu's hall. he didn't ban anyone from yours, or mine.
09:39 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935446 - sure, here's the irssi log snippet and the converter's output
09:39 ossabot Logged on 2019-09-11 00:08:43 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935332 << diana_coman, could you provide me a small snippet of your irssi log that you fed into your irssi2tmsr converter (with both an "action line" and "regular line" example)?
09:39 ericbot Logged on 2019-09-10 06:25:00 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935311 - your znc2tmsr converter; I made initially the same mistake with mine, here's the thread re standard: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927457
09:39 ossabot Logged on 2019-09-09 23:53:06 lobbes: I'm willing to patch one or the other (should be a quick fix). Now... the question is which one? The converter, the raw-dumper, or should the eat_dump.py be able to handle BOTH formats?
09:39 ossabot Logged on 2019-08-11 16:01:10 diana_coman: but it seems it took "diana_coman;is" as nick?
09:39 diana_coman from your paste though, I suspect it's mainly that you missed that part of the README where it says months as NUMBERS.
09:44 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935455 - fwiw I don't think anyone contested the quality of the technical work done by phf.
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09:44 ossabot Logged on 2019-09-11 00:43:20 asciilifeform: trinque: orig. contention, which i disputed. phf was 1 of the very, very few people whose hands grew from right place, and it will take very long time to replace , not even speaking of the full functionality of the orig. bot ( still not had ) but of e.g. the vpatch viewer, which i use erry fucking day of the week
09:44 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-09 05:21:49 mircea_popescu: imagine, all this flurry of exciting new development could have been occuring in 2017, if i had the sense to kick phf out on his rear in 2017, rather than let him sit his dumb ass on us for two years.
09:52 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935464 - hm, this sounds to me like the fundamental difference causes/purposes all over again; you are looking at what is needed (work done and done well!) and that's your start, so you build backwards, ending up with basically "too needed to fail" sort of thing.
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09:52 ossabot Logged on 2019-09-11 00:49:58 asciilifeform: it is very easy to say 'they were weak, fughet'em'. but fact remains, they were not replaced , of yet .
10:03 diana_coman drat, I still got the [][] order wrong, ugh.
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11:19 asciilifeform diana_coman: let's reformulate. it takes a very long time to produce 1st class people. (as a pedagogue, you know this.) if they burn up faster than they are produced -- this is a problem.
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11:22 * asciilifeform brb,tea
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11:37 whaack greetings. following the advice of the lords http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914428 and http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-05-17#1914460 i am getting out of the reich and moving back to CR. I'm going there this weekend for a week to secure a lease, then moving there permanently mid October. This time I'm saying my goodbyes to the meatwot and have secured remote employment so I will not have to set foot in the US aga
11:37 snsabot Logged on 2019-05-17 19:17:34 trinque: whaack: more important than where you haul your ass is what you're going to do when you get there.
11:37 whaack in.
11:46 diana_coman whaack: good for you; what are you working on, anyway?
11:49 diana_coman asciilifeform: well, for one thing I don't think it's an accurate description of the situation in that...who produced phf, esthlos, framedragger? re esthlos at least I can even say that no, he precisely dropped out of ..production as you put it.
11:49 whaack nothing directly republic related. i've been reminded by reading the recent logs that i'm in the perpetual ill-start-helping-tomorrow state. i always have an excuse for myself: "i'll be increasing noise, im too unedecuated to do shit, i need to become bilingual/get out of reich first, etc. etc"
11:49 diana_coman whaack: so possibly #ossasepia or #asciilifeform are better places for you to try to get in.
11:49 diana_coman or #spyked
11:52 diana_coman asciilifeform: for the other thing, the situation you describe can indeed very well happen and yes, a problem, but the solution can never be "restrain your adverse reaction"
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11:53 diana_coman you can restrict their access to the danger, but you can't fence in the danger "for your safety and security"
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11:56 whaack roger that. Before I disappear into the subcastles, I'll mention i'm blogging the differences in Spanish/English pronunciation which other ESLers in the channel may find useful http://ztkfg.com/2019/09/differences-between-english-spanish-phonetics-part-1-differences-in-stops-d-k-t-p/
11:56 diana_coman whaack: worth noting though that this "I can start helping" is (given its history) incorrect and keeping you back; you're better served by stating the naked "I'll ask for help and do what I'm asked to do, today"
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12:14 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935555 << take for instance this. very easy to condemn phf for losing logger for week; but what about errybody else, who happily put up with a single-machine, unpublished-src logger for years ?
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12:14 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-11 11:53:41 diana_coman: you can restrict their access to the danger, but you can't fence in the danger "for your safety and security"
12:14 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-11 02:26:02 mircea_popescu: and so this is what happened there, the complete story : he did ~just what a saboteur would do~, because look how fucking wunderbar=ly it'd have sabotaged if it worked ; and a less-than-divine mp easily would've gotten fucked over it. so now -- we can never be friends again, i ain't getting over that.
12:15 asciilifeform for that matter, we still have a system like this -- deedbot. is trinque doomed to same fate as phf, if he ever 'gets lucky' and trapped on cannibal island , and it takes him a week to knife his way out ?
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12:20 diana_coman asciilifeform: that wasn't at all the issue and it has been already pointed out to you several times, here and on trilema.com
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12:20 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935501 << this thread was in era 1 log .
12:20 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-11 02:17:15 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935442 << tjhere's a thread re micro/macro economy and a discussion of money in its dual aspect somewhere but i can't take the time to find it for you right nao, leaving for hunedoara castle in about five minutes. we can revisit this in weekend though, ping me.
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12:39 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935558 - re "happily put up", I suppose you have a point if you actually mean that there should be *more danger* and therefore everyone adding more pressure on the weak points, to get them hardened.
12:39 ossabot Logged on 2019-09-11 12:30:12 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935555 << take for instance this. very easy to condemn phf for losing logger for week; but what about errybody else, who happily put up with a single-machine, unpublished-src logger for years ?
12:39 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-11 11:53:41 diana_coman: you can restrict their access to the danger, but you can't fence in the danger "for your safety and security"
12:39 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-11 02:26:02 mircea_popescu: and so this is what happened there, the complete story : he did ~just what a saboteur would do~, because look how fucking wunderbar=ly it'd have sabotaged if it worked ; and a less-than-divine mp easily would've gotten fucked over it. so now -- we can never be friends again, i ain't getting over that.
12:47 asciilifeform diana_coman: if expectation is that logging is a 24/7/365 system -- then yes ought to be obv. that it aint a job for 1 set of hands. rather than 'let's put it in 1 hands for years and then say 'saboteur' when he falls down' .
12:47 diana_coman asciilifeform: but that's not what happened.
12:48 asciilifeform diana_coman: what detail, in your eyes important, am i neglecting ?
12:51 asciilifeform diana_coman: i am working from mircea_popescu's verdict strictly.
12:51 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-11 02:23:16 mircea_popescu: and to properly bolster the fundaments of the foregoing terror -- it DPOES NOT MATTER whether one actually was, deliberately, working for the enemy. from my pov, phf is not "merely an idiot", but very well saboteur anon describes NOT because he actually is, but because... again, guy found with smoking gun next to dead president is hanged, [http://logs.nosu
12:52 diana_coman asciilifeform: ugh, for instance THIS clear statement: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935504 ; and http://trilema.com/2019/a-nickels-worth-of-clues/#comment-130687
12:52 ossabot Logged on 2019-09-11 02:35:55 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935445 << yes, and look how beautifully sabotage-y ~highly intelligent~ idiotic misbehaviour actually is : if i wasn't me, but slightly less of a me such as to not notice the problem and get carried away emotionally, we'd have a fine problem on our hands, through having ruined an imp
12:52 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-10 23:53:00 lobbes: iirc he made a point that he doesn't read other castle's logs for this reason (so as to not embitter the grounds there)
12:52 diana_coman just for a few, I really don't see how you persist in the idea that it was "logger down" the problem.
12:53 diana_coman asciilifeform: did you follow the link in that statement and read the selected part?
12:54 asciilifeform i did ( and let's [logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-12-17#1752614][glue it back together] for the log, it got sliced )
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12:55 diana_coman asciilifeform: so what in there is "logger down"??
12:56 asciilifeform diana_coman: the trigger for the entire episode. was the loss of the logger .
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12:56 diana_coman eh, you jumped
12:56 asciilifeform diana_coman: and if yer about to say 'the fact that phf said 10 words in that many months' at one pt same was tru of e.g. trinque . and i suspect if deedbot had been the bot that fell for a week, we'd be having exactly same thread about trinque instead of phf .
12:59 diana_coman asciilifeform: neah, you are cherry picking bits and pieces that fit the idea you already have.
12:59 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935579 << grr, let's fix properly
12:59 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-11 12:54:25 asciilifeform: i did ( and let's [logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-12-17#1752614][glue it back together] for the log, it got sliced )
12:59 snsabot Logged on 2017-12-17 00:03:49 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-31#1663960 << see also re goedel
13:00 asciilifeform diana_coman: for my enlightenment, plox to summarize, in own words, 'how phf lost his epaulettes' .
13:00 asciilifeform evidently asciilifeform has diff. reading from diana_coman , of the 'clear' .
13:09 diana_coman asciilifeform: I doubt it can help you if it gets read like the rest; anyway, the shortest summary I can come up with: phf persistently refused to engage tmsr beyond the purely technical; and ultimately (when pressure forced a decision) made his choice for out rather than in.
13:15 asciilifeform diana_coman: to properly colour in this picture -- what would have looked like 'engage beyond the technical' ?
13:16 diana_coman asciilifeform: what it always does: changing himself.
13:17 asciilifeform diana_coman: changed how ? grow extra pair of hands ? a tree-proof arse ?
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13:18 diana_coman asciilifeform: eh; still stuck on "logger down was the problem", right?
13:18 asciilifeform or maybe to grow chloroplasts, so he dun need to eat by doing saecular labour ?
13:18 diana_coman asciilifeform: and three heads to boot since we are doing this, of course.
13:19 asciilifeform diana_coman: no, i actually buy your summary, 'd00d wouldn't fucking talk'. but i'm also willing to ask ~why~ didn't talk ? maybe because erry time he opened the door, there was a beating behind it ?
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13:19 diana_coman asciilifeform: in that particular selected snippet, tell me for my curiosity *what* exactly stopped phf from talking directly to mp? and for that matter again, what exactly stopped him from telling his girl to get online and say "help"?
13:20 diana_coman asciilifeform: neah; and I'm not going now to try and guess what was in phf's mind at one point or another, wtf.
13:20 asciilifeform diana_coman: i wasn't there, at the tea table, so can't say. but fwiw i suspect he thought 'already written off' .
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13:27 diana_coman well, I can suspect all sorts of things but suspicions are not something you can base your argument on.
13:27 * diana_coman will bbl
13:29 asciilifeform fwiw 'talk directly to mp' when 'i'm in a corner' moar often than not , in my experience, gives this output. i accept this, he's a 'sink or swim' sort of guru. but also not surprised that phf hesitated to ask him for an evac chopper .
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13:29 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-09 11:53:39 mircea_popescu: as i tell the slavegirls "when they most need my support", "do or fucking die ; and i don't particularly care which the fuck it is."
13:40 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935496 << many yrs ago -- i did this also. switched off comments on my www, cuz they were a net -ev . for years .
13:40 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-11 02:11:58 mircea_popescu: here they sat, same #trilema as today, and preened, like these do. nothing came of it, and then one day i showed up and kicked them all out.
13:43 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935499 << it also shakes other things out of people. when , e.g., lysenko had vavilov confined to dungeon, the other academicians went 'gulp', 'he MUST've been traitor' , etc.
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13:43 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-11 02:14:53 mircea_popescu: but yes, the ~one~ good (unintentional, and unaware, but neither of this matters) 2nd order effect of attempted socialism is that in the mid phase it shook the complacency out of people.
13:43 snsabot Logged on 2017-08-29 18:19:28 asciilifeform: Ню-ню, - сказал бегемот '
13:44 asciilifeform (for completeness, let's translate :
13:44 snsabot Logged on 2017-08-29 18:19:28 asciilifeform: phf: 'Собрал царь зверей всех животных в лесу на поляне и говорит: - Cегодня мы будем трахать тех, у кого рот маленький. Правильно ежик? - Даааааа-Даааааа! - сказал ежик. - А завтра мы будем трахать тех, у кого рот большой. Правильно бегемот? -
13:46 asciilifeform 'one day the king of all animals gathered his subjects in a forest clearing and said : 'today we shall anally punish those who have the smallest mouths. right, hedgehog?' 'Yaaaaa, Yaaaa!' said hedgehog. 'and tomorrow we shall anally chastise those who have the biggest mouths! 'hmm, hmm,' said hippo. ' )
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13:48 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935500 << the interesting bit is that if t had 'gotten out of bed each morning' to work as common draftsman, would have run ~0 risk of the dungeon. most of the 'king of all animals''s subjects did exactly that.
13:48 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-11 02:15:54 mircea_popescu: the obverse of that "oh, stalin got tupolev back out of dungeon" coin is that BEFORE getting itno dungeon, cis-tupolev, the whole half million of them, had ONE DAMNED GOOD reason to get out of bed in the morning. "holy shit it's gonna happen to me", terror works. on short stretches at a time, but works.
13:53 asciilifeform stalin is remembered as effective king strictly because the war forced moderation of leukocyte. otherwise, he'd be remembered as exactly like e.g. emperor qin shihuangdi, who beheaded succession of 9000 alchemists for failing to produce elixir of immortality, until finally gave up in frustration and ate one , fulla hg salts
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13:54 feedbot http://bingology.net/2019/09/11/uruguay-for-sale-or-keanu-sacks-the-plaza-independencia-grass/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Uruguay For Sale! Or Keanu Sacks The Plaza Independencia Grass...
13:59 asciilifeform ( wasn't just airplane and rocket makers, either. gen. k. rokossovsky , was pulled out of gulag in '40, ended up instrumental in the defense of moscow; and leading the victory parade in '45. )
14:00 asciilifeform polack, incidentally.
14:02 BingoBoingo Meanwhile in local wanna be Stalins: ""Estamos dejando a los sordos y mudos fuera de la candidatura a la Presidencia. Estamos en desventaja. Se está poniendo en una situación de desventaja frente a otro" - Pedro Bordaberry
14:03 BingoBoingo Hard to tell if sarcastic or not
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14:34 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935522 << afaik 'b' won't work (unlike on x86)
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14:34 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-11 03:46:17 dorion: It appears to me the options are a) make a patch to boost to backport the aarch64 support , b) build the arm 32bit toolchain and 32bit bitcoind on rockchip and attempt to run there.
14:35 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935524 << this is worth making a full copy of. trinque can you spare some disk space ?
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14:35 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-11 04:08:46 dorion: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934639 << I came across http://bbgentoo.ilb.ru/ , which appears to do a decent job of preserving distfiles. e.g. has nearly entire php-4.x series, except ~actual weightlifter~. even has php 2 and 3 tarballs. there is also what appears to be a portage tree dated 2011-01-31. I downloaded, but haven't yet cracked it open.
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15:50 bvt http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935426 << ty, works great
15:50 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-10 22:55:05 trinque: as of now, I've retired ben_vulpes' paster in favor of my own.
15:53 BingoBoingo !!v E2B28CA76D58B59B4336354334A8EC5A947A66B27443A63B45C5BB502AC55A9A
16:04 bvt asciilifeform: today i had a quick look through stevens, apparently timeout for SO_KEEPALIVE is two hours (digging through linux source confirms), so i don't think this option is any useful as is; TCP_KEEPIDLE sets the keepalive timeout per-socket, but then there is a question to which extent to rely on all of these socket options.
16:19 asciilifeform !q uptime
16:19 snsabot asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 26d 5h 55m
16:20 asciilifeform bvt: i'm not convinced that any of the sock options are needed, aside from during reconnect (to keep 'zombie' socket from interfering w/ the living )
16:22 bvt i don't think that zombie socket can interfere with current code -- the local side of the socket gets unused random port automatically. this would be an issue only when bind(2) was called on socket before connect
16:25 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/09/after-18-years-of-never-forget-us-still-at-war/ << Qntra -- After 18 Years Of "Never Forget" US Still At War
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16:54 feedbot http://trilema.com/2019/cum-a-trait-ivan-evgheenievici/ << Trilema -- Cum a trait Ivan Evgheenievici.
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17:19 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935440 << you know it's leucosis. sys for SYStem, sis fo diSISease.
17:19 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-10 23:37:58 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935205 << where is the leucosys threshold in diana_coman's view?
17:20 * asciilifeform waves to mircea_popescu 
17:20 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: how's the net pipe in that 15th c castle ?
17:20 mircea_popescu hehe, pics upcoming
17:21 mircea_popescu though not momentarily, long list of shit to see through.
17:22 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935452 << conversion being traditionally this task that never ends.
17:22 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-10 23:54:10 lobbes: will probably ammend the READMEs of all converters once this testing phase is over. For better clarity on expected irssi/znc log formats
17:22 asciilifeform grr reminds me, still gotta fix that 0x01 crud. ( bug that only shows up in live irc, not log, so i keep fughetting )
17:23 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935457 << why ? as it happens, other log was open on http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-12-17#1752616 / http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-12-17#1752620 discussion, blessed by the fates as i find myself.
17:23 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-11 00:29:16 asciilifeform: trinque: obv. mircea_popescu's (and for that matter anyone's) ratings are b/w him and odin. but imho to present the disappearance of phf as some kinda win, is disingenuous at best .
17:23 snsabot Logged on 2017-12-17 00:04:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you say "function that has derivate in every point" in englisch ?
17:23 snsabot Logged on 2017-12-17 00:05:49 mircea_popescu: i was using "continuous" to people's confused disbelief. apparently continuous just means "has value for all x in interval"
17:23 asciilifeform ( on my terminal, shows up as rectangle w/ '01 01' at end of line )
17:23 mircea_popescu do you see the relationship ?
17:24 mircea_popescu presenting the disappearance of horse&buggy as some kind of win was not, factually an' historically, disingenuos. even if trains did in fact take a while to "achieve same or better coverage in all points".
17:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if a hypothetical phylloxera-for-horses had hit in 1800, would, imho, have been problem.
17:25 asciilifeform even tho 'train coupla yrs away'
17:26 mircea_popescu some things were lost once the great man-o-wars made way for the not nearly as great clunkers called ironclads. and once people figured out wtf a sears-haack body is, planes suddenly became "flying coke bottles'
17:27 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, yet there's two kinds of problems : the problems it's good to have, and the problems it's bad to have. what i said was that this is, actually, a problem that's good to have.
17:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: interestingly, the finns ran iron-cum-sails clippers all the way into 1920s.
17:27 mircea_popescu not that the estimation's mandatory for anyone else. but, to ~my own lights~, etc.
17:27 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, and the japanese still showed up on the field in wood paste armor. state of the art cca death of j. gracchus.
17:27 asciilifeform well wouldn't be interesting if were 'wood paste'. but they actually made nyc-helsinki in 2wks routinely.
17:28 mircea_popescu good for the finns.
17:29 asciilifeform ( steam won because fast+reliable, not simply 'fast' . and apparently skilled navigator can make up the diff much of the time. but, 'phd assembly line', none alive nao. )
17:30 mircea_popescu this is the fundamental problem, and it has quite the wingspan : from the newton who, retardedly, eschews talking to people because he is smart, and he knows he's smart, and he likes to rely on "the claw" etc -- but who then does not know people, and this includes not knowing himself, and so this puts him in the ridiculous position where he ends up investing most of the metaphysica-earth-moving-shovel time into shoveling a
17:30 mircea_popescu ir ;
17:32 * asciilifeform suspects that herr newton is poor example -- fella did end up master of mint, and prolly not by sitting in locked office refusing to talk
17:32 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=basically%2C+all+the+architecture+systems+architects+have+managed+yet+to+produce+is+the+equivalent+of+%22we+need+10.1k+builders+-+100+to+build+and+10k+to+hold+up+the+walls+once+we%27re+done&chan=trilema <<
17:33 mircea_popescu to the typical atlas, holding up a wall on his back -- whether this be premature optimization or dependopopotamous investments, or phd-assembly line or whatever other the fuck nonsense
17:33 snsabot Logged on 2019-04-17 15:31:05 a111: Logged on 2016-04-07 17:50 mircea_popescu: basically, all the architecture systems architects have managed yet to produce is the equivalent of "we need 10.1k builders - 100 to build and 10k to hold up the walls once we're done".
17:34 asciilifeform 'biznis world' luvvs 'hold up walls' so long as can be done w/ 10k interchangeable php workers
17:34 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-14 10:45:07 mp_en_viaje: this is also true, as a broad trend. it is unfortunate but true that the inept king prefers crossbowmen over archers, because archers take lifetime to train and dedication from puberty to craft, whereas crossbow can be operated by... outsourced labour. it takes a certain sort of short-sightedness to not notice the implicit band-of-brothers vs your own nobles cutting down your own mercs
17:35 mircea_popescu all the way round to the archetipical anal child, sitting in his room "meditating" about "winning the lottery" -- because might as well.
17:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, no, actually, newton became master of mint ~precisely~ thtrough not talking to anybody.
17:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: hm, so kinda like lazar kaganovich in stalin's orcistan ?
17:37 mircea_popescu neways, this is the problem of our age ; and my lengthy foray into tlp (truth & fairness : only prior art extant on the topic), while unpleasant, has provided me with some insight : i dun think his diagnosis is correct. derealization, yes, a certain kind and flavour, yes. but not anymore narcissist in nature than self-loathing.
17:37 asciilifeform y'know, commissar of railroads, the 1 d00d who survived ~all of sovok w/out losing office 1nce, much less head, by having extraordinarily tight lip
17:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, he was ~summoned~ to parliament, all he said over years was asking to close the windows because draft ; the comission he bought ~same way fox the quaker ended up in money : wealthy admirer took pity.
17:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i knew the window story as a boy and always it was part of why respected newton.
17:38 mircea_popescu ofcourseitis.
17:39 mircea_popescu the reason's half stupid though ; and when i say that i don't mean the smart part's stupid.
17:39 mircea_popescu i mean the stupid part's stupid.
17:39 asciilifeform i'll be 1st to admit, i do not know the reason. (why he not talked)
17:39 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, if you had a big cock and a small cunt, would you be a boy or would you be a girl ?
17:40 asciilifeform i'd call up barnum, lol
17:40 asciilifeform make bank.
17:40 mircea_popescu instead of perceiving the imbalance as a problem, an' applying the one working bit to fixing the non working bit -- he just swung the schlong around. died bitter, reportedly.
17:41 mircea_popescu the stoic in me is unsurprised at the result.
17:41 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: some historians iirc convinced that newton's cock literally did not work
17:42 mircea_popescu but anyway, this is the poisonous promise of the specialisation : "oh, ye newton, jus' practice your maffs, no need to go out practicing your kissing"
17:42 mircea_popescu it's fucking stupid.
17:45 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935460 << that's possibly the weirdest "cuz" i ever heard. what, you mean like in spiders ?
17:45 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-11 00:31:02 asciilifeform: trinque: cuz we're both recluses .
17:52 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935458 << i entirely see no problem with this. the obverse of "if it's worth doing it's worth doing well" is that if it's not good, it's not worth doing at all. the dedication's to the good not to the doing.
17:52 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-11 00:30:19 asciilifeform: trinque: 2-3 moar 'wins' like this and what will be left , will be mircea_popescu writing his memoirs.
17:52 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-09 11:53:01 mircea_popescu: it'll solve all the world's problems regardless : either through zeroing, or else through solving.
17:53 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935464 << nobody's ever going to be replaced, dood, it's just not how this world works. what replaced.
17:53 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-11 00:34:21 asciilifeform: it is very easy to say 'they were weak, fughet'em'. but fact remains, they were not replaced , of yet .
17:56 mircea_popescu the earth has been continuously inhabited by something rather like people for what, 20k generations or so ? each douche befouling the earth with his uneven gait and body odours today has thereby had 4e6k antecessors. yet the human population to date was never above 1e20, which happens to be the rounding error in that 6k.
17:56 mircea_popescu MOST of the people who could've ever been ... were not.
17:57 mircea_popescu most of the physically manifested genotypes amounted to notiong at all also.
17:57 mircea_popescu what replacement ? elliott had no children. like him -- legion of failures historically. how do you plan to replace elliott ?
17:57 mircea_popescu and leaving that contemplation to the side : how do you propose to get me interested in your replacement plans once formulated ?
17:58 asciilifeform for elliott, the tree stump outside my window is fully adequate replacement. rather ask, who will replace c. f. gauss .
17:58 mircea_popescu TO YOU
17:58 mircea_popescu to an arbitrary standard, my sock is an adequate replacement for the entire world.
17:59 asciilifeform ( oblig re subj )
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18:19 mircea_popescu bricklisp ftw.
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18:38 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935467 << the only merit to this theory is that it's lazyness-protective.
18:38 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-11 00:39:04 asciilifeform: trinque: for my part, i remember'em as folx who did 1st class work, of the kind i suspect nobody born after '90 is able to do, full stop. but then ran outta steam. (why, i do not know.)
18:42 mircea_popescu i expect diana_coman 's stable will soon enough surpass all the supposed "utility" you hallucinate in the anal children (much like a demented old hoarder hallucinates "utility" in random junk) ; much like trilema in fact surpassed any whisperer's monument, "against odds" etce
18:42 snsabot Logged on 2017-04-09 18:03:45 mircea_popescu: dozenpeopleeighteenmonths!!!
18:42 mircea_popescu tera.
18:43 mircea_popescu when it does, you'll still have your theories as to "recluses" and "irreplaceability", aka various names for self-appointed castration, "i am unchangeable" / "the world is unchangeable" bla bla bla girlytalk to keep you warm.
18:43 mircea_popescu and if it doesn't, exactly nothing has been gained whatsoever.
18:44 mircea_popescu these are the sorts of theories entirely spurious for being entirely useless. whenever it's one fo those 0-predictive power nonsense & balls of yarn, "if it's true nothing's gained and if it's false the world's lost" you know you're in the presence of subconscious protection.
18:46 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935475 << i promise you nobody;s asking you to.
18:46 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-11 00:45:19 asciilifeform: but i aint about to nod to 'x was always trotskyist, we were mistaken from day 1 to involve him' logic.
18:57 mircea_popescu i do however find the stotting behaviour quite infuriating. so yes, in my book the sort of retard who "does great work for like a year" isn't scoring above the sort of retard who does no work. i'd much rather have tea with elliott than any of the historical time-limited editions specifically for this reason.
18:58 asciilifeform no one will ever say ' mircea_popescu is not consistent ' .
18:59 mircea_popescu let it be clearly stated thus, that even if it apparently works on asciilifeform as it traditionally works ~everywhere, the "oh, let me show you my wares" coy behaviour doth not work on me. what's gained for this "did 1st class work, then got sad" thing's rather low level enmity.
19:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, maybe eventually, who knows!
19:00 asciilifeform so far a+++ consistent, like kalash.
19:00 mircea_popescu kalashsistent
19:01 asciilifeform ( meanwhile, holyfuq is that xytable solid. i never expected for 100bux chinesium, to get item that can be happily used also as anvil . )
19:10 asciilifeform speaking of kalash, mircea_popescu what's this i hear re iliescu (ro eltsin) being tried in absentia for orchestrating the demise of shoemaker ?
19:10 asciilifeform wai nao , and whose idea, is such a thing , it seems lulzy
19:11 asciilifeform april '19, apparently .
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19:59 mircea_popescu nfi,
20:00 mircea_popescu i honestly thought he was dead
20:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: orig lul re subj
20:00 mircea_popescu but anyways, seems the ~only contribution of the social media generation to world affairs is guaranteed lulz-"convictions" of ~any older male politician
20:01 mircea_popescu pretty sure mccain'd have ended up "convicted" in just such a lulz "court" if he didn't have the foresight to braintumour first
20:02 mircea_popescu apparently vietcong comparatively humane socialism, he survived that ok. actually, with great beneficially.
20:03 asciilifeform the fella who 'oopsed' 4 jets + battleship ? difficult to picture him being tried for anyffin
20:03 mircea_popescu old age and alleged manhood. good enough.
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20:54 lobbes http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935537 << ty kindly for the snippets. I did read that in the README, but thought that it perhaps may have been referring to the date in the -filename- since I couldn't find any knobs in my irssi that dealt with the 'header' formatting in the log itself. This saved my sanity
20:54 ericbot Logged on 2019-09-11 12:56:17 diana_coman: from your paste though, I suspect it's mainly that you missed that part of the README where it says months as NUMBERS.
20:55 lobbes I tried reading the actual script for clues, but too n00bish at awk still to make sense of it
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