| 00:00 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation you saw that epic bridge jury rig btw ? |
| 00:00 |
decimation |
heh no what are you talking about? |
| 00:00 |
mircea_popescu |
o god lemme find it. |
| 00:01 |
assbot |
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| 00:01 |
mircea_popescu |
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Miles_Glacier_Bridge%2C_damage_and_kludge%2C_1984.jpg |
| 00:01 |
decimation |
as I recall you were hangoing around the northeast |
| 00:01 |
decimation |
that's so sad |
| 00:01 |
mircea_popescu |
i went from new hampshire to new mexico. |
| 00:01 |
decimation |
the engineer who designed that bridge is probably crying |
| 00:01 |
decimation |
the northeast is the worst in my experience |
| 00:01 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation maybe he suicided with a rivet gun |
| 00:02 |
decimation |
lol |
| 00:02 |
decimation |
I thought he fell out of a building while being shot with a nail gun |
| 00:02 |
mircea_popescu |
he accidentally died of a self inflicted would while trying to propel himself with a nailgun |
| 00:03 |
decimation |
heh. Fred Reed's blog is pretty classic too: http://www.fredoneverything.net/ |
| 00:04 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, back in 2004 mass was fighting like 3 separare wrongful death suits arising out of chunks of concrete coming off the road and flying into people's cars |
| 00:05 |
mircea_popescu |
which was the first time i heard of that sort of shit. |
| 00:05 |
tg2 |
we have that problem in quebec currently |
| 00:05 |
tg2 |
overpasses falling down |
| 00:05 |
decimation |
yeah that was after they spent billions on the "big dig" |
| 00:05 |
mircea_popescu |
big dig wasn't nearly done yet |
| 00:05 |
mircea_popescu |
but no, these were just poorly maintained state highways |
| 00:06 |
mircea_popescu |
no fucking idea who told you people cement works for this application btw |
| 00:06 |
assbot |
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| 00:06 |
mircea_popescu |
europe is all asphalt. |
| 00:06 |
asciilifeform |
so, there i was, checking out a potential replacement for my flat, and saw this, alive: |
| 00:06 |
asciilifeform |
http://imgur.com/ODmkenB |
| 00:06 |
ozbot |
imgur: the simple image sharer |
| 00:06 |
decimation |
www.nytimes.com/2006/07/12/us/12tunnel.html |
| 00:06 |
asciilifeform |
first thought was 'gasenwagen' |
| 00:06 |
decimation |
I thought you were talking about that. as I recall it was because they used substandard adhesive |
| 00:07 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform pretty epic |
| 00:07 |
decimation |
ascii you should just rent a room in the marriott across from fort meade |
| 00:08 |
chetty |
hahaha save the man some travel $$ |
| 00:08 |
asciilifeform |
perhaps those are... free. |
| 00:09 |
asciilifeform |
but 'one way.' |
| 00:09 |
assbot |
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| 00:10 |
assbot |
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| 00:10 |
decimation |
ascii I do agree with your point about rental property. I recently moved from a house to a rental, and when I told the agent about my credit score she said " you should be buying" |
| 00:10 |
decimation |
the assumption is that only lowlifes with no credit rent |
| 00:10 |
asciilifeform |
on top of this, it is virtually impossible to rent a house at all where i live. |
| 00:11 |
assbot |
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| 00:11 |
asciilifeform |
they exist, but tend to be 'for students' (even when hours away from any kind of school) and full of antiquated crap |
| 00:11 |
asciilifeform |
imagine paying $3k/mo for a building with no garbage disposal |
| 00:12 |
decimation |
yeah in my experience most "landlords" are real estate agents who generally are happy with a zero cashflow - they write off the depreciation against their income |
| 00:12 |
asciilifeform |
actually, my understanding is that many of them are 'civilians' who went 'underwater' |
| 00:13 |
asciilifeform |
i know one fellow like that. just trying to stem losses |
| 00:13 |
moiety |
i would like to know how they expect you to build a credit rating when you can't get credit when you don't have a credit rating in the first place. |
| 00:13 |
asciilifeform |
man wants to move - can't, because no one will pay for his building what he paid. |
| 00:13 |
asciilifeform |
so he rents it out, often at a loss |
| 00:14 |
decimation |
yeah that's the other population. obviously, neither is interested in paying anything for property maintenance |
| 00:14 |
asciilifeform |
moiety: in the u.s. (no idea about elsewhere) - they have 'special' credit offers for the freshly bankrupt. with 40% interest, etc. |
| 00:14 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't get this "what hge paid" criterion. |
| 00:15 |
mircea_popescu |
what the fuck difference does it make what he paid. |
| 00:15 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: it does - to him. |
| 00:15 |
asciilifeform |
chumper 'buys' a house, wants to move, discovers that he'll be stuck paying for the rest of his natural life for a house he isn't living in |
| 00:15 |
moiety |
asciilifeform: just seems so daft that you have to get messed up to get it and staying debt free actually harms you |
| 00:16 |
mircea_popescu |
moiety thats just the contemporary implementation of "every man needs a lord" |
| 00:17 |
chetty |
moiety, but thats the whole bankster trap, in a nutshell |
| 00:17 |
asciilifeform |
moiety: in u.s., folks with money traditionally keep credit cards, which are paid off as soon as they are used, for 'x percent back' crap. |
| 00:17 |
moiety |
i pay more for a one bed flat than colleagues do for three bedroom houses |
| 00:17 |
moiety |
you can't get a credit card in the uk without a credit rating |
| 00:17 |
moiety |
but you need a credit card to get a credit rating |
| 00:18 |
assbot |
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| 00:18 |
assbot |
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| 00:18 |
tg2 |
cellphone contract will usually build credit ) |
| 00:18 |
asciilifeform |
i started looking for new flat soon after mp's essay on 'bezzle dollar' and thought it was hilariously fitting |
| 00:19 |
decimation |
yeah homes are definitely fully funded with bezzle |
| 00:19 |
asciilifeform |
'i have $xxxx.' 'sorry, you can't get - shit - for $xxxx' - or for '$xxxxx' |
| 00:19 |
asciilifeform |
'fish is what we don't have over at the fish counter' |
| 00:20 |
tg2 |
you trying to buy shark with goldfish budget |
| 00:20 |
decimation |
not only that, the local governments lard their coffers with property taxes |
| 00:20 |
decimation |
which people just roll into the "how much do I have to pay per month" calculation |
| 00:21 |
asciilifeform |
tg2: more interesting than that. you can easily 'buy' the shark with the 'goldfish' price - because you are also paying with your arse virginity in that scenario |
| 00:21 |
tg2 |
property tax is the biggest scheme |
| 00:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4031 @ 0.00096492 = 3.8896 BTC [+] |
| 00:21 |
tg2 |
there needs to be some recourse for home owners that get "reevaluated" at 10% more when their house has not inreased in value |
| 00:22 |
asciilifeform |
tg2: the folks who 'bought' during bubble peak, etc. are still doomed |
| 00:22 |
decimation |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_George%27s_County_Public_Schools "Budget: US$1.6 Billion" |
| 00:22 |
ozbot |
Prince George's County Public Schools - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
| 00:22 |
moiety |
you can claim free land in scotland |
| 00:22 |
asciilifeform |
moiety: while you're at it, we can also note that living far out at sea is free |
| 00:23 |
asciilifeform |
but it doesn't exactly work for most people. |
| 00:24 |
decimation |
you can live aboard a boat docked at baltimore for a few $k per year |
| 00:25 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: last i checked, marina fee + utilities was close to the cost of small flat |
| 00:25 |
asciilifeform |
in most american ports |
| 00:25 |
moiety |
asciilifeform: one guy claimed 50 hectares, started to build, got some people occupying the land at a rented rate, paid for the build. free house, lots of land |
| 00:25 |
asciilifeform |
not to mention other interesting nuances (see herr orlov's blog, not me, for detail) - e.g. dry-docking regularly to patch/repaint the damn thing |
| 00:25 |
decimation |
yeah boats are a money pit |
| 00:26 |
moiety |
the problem being the land that is free isn't easy to build on usually |
| 00:26 |
decimation |
I suspect most "free land" in scotland is either on a cliff or in a moor |
| 00:26 |
asciilifeform |
and since when is construction 'free' ? |
| 00:27 |
moiety |
decimation: it all depends how long/hard you are willing to look. its not like its listed anywhere |
| 00:28 |
moiety |
not the construction being free asciilifeform but it was paid for by the money from the people occupying the land for him, which is actually part of the terms. win win |
| 00:28 |
decimation |
ascii I think to some extent living near a major metro area in the US is a chump's game |
| 00:28 |
moiety |
he just threw a post up on a forum |
| 00:29 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: i never said i wasn't a chump. but there are different species of chump. |
| 00:29 |
asciilifeform |
there is, for instance, a kind of gristly and sinewy chump that grinds apart in the chumpatron very reluctantly |
| 00:30 |
asciilifeform |
and there's the kind which crunches eagerly, like chocolate |
| 00:31 |
moiety |
and theres the kind that wind up there out of obligation |
| 00:31 |
decimation |
lol |
| 00:31 |
decimation |
well, the us today is pretty much an enormous chumpatron |
| 00:31 |
decimation |
from which escape is neigh impossible, and alternatives few |
| 00:32 |
asciilifeform |
escape isn't impossible, but requires reaching 'escape velocity' |
| 00:32 |
asciilifeform |
like a gravitational 'well' |
| 00:33 |
asciilifeform |
best advice for folks not yet parked in the gravity well is 'stay the hell out' |
| 00:33 |
asciilifeform |
much cheaper/easier than having to rocket out later. |
| 00:34 |
decimation |
yeah, this is true. I wonder what all the europeans who came over in the 1800's would have made of this outcome? |
| 00:35 |
decimation |
http://globalnews.ca/news/1072303/over-3100-americans-renounced-citizenship-last-year-fbi/ |
| 00:35 |
ozbot |
More than 3,100 Americans renounced citizenship last year: FBI - National | Globalnews.ca |
| 00:36 |
chetty |
when they actually build that border fence you know you are trouble |
| 00:38 |
asciilifeform |
the fellow who bought my 'urbit dukedom' for 4.5btc publicly burned his u.s. passport. |
| 00:38 |
asciilifeform |
(long ago) |
| 00:39 |
chetty |
well formal renounce costs money :P |
| 00:39 |
decimation |
I don't think that actually works |
| 00:40 |
moiety |
a lot of people seem to have turned their attention to canada thesedays |
| 00:40 |
asciilifeform |
the fun part is, no one will force the buggers to honour the renounciation, if they don't want to |
| 00:40 |
asciilifeform |
just as the escapee can't say 'i do not want to be in any database' and make it stick |
| 00:41 |
decimation |
true. just like the Royal Navy in the early 1800's |
| 00:41 |
decimation |
"oh, you've become an American now? good on ya - you sail for the King now" |
| 00:42 |
chetty |
yeah doesn't stop much, but mostly lets you open bank accounts (banks outside us are afraid of americans these days) |
| 00:42 |
decimation |
as if foriegn banks operate in the interest of their account holders |
| 00:42 |
moiety |
free guns with us bank accounts |
| 00:43 |
asciilifeform |
chetty: presently usg threatens penalties on foreign banks who 'hide' escapees |
| 00:43 |
asciilifeform |
now let's say they stop honouring renunciations |
| 00:44 |
asciilifeform |
plenty of historic precedent |
| 00:44 |
chetty |
exactly, I don't blame the outside banks at all, its prudent |
| 00:44 |
asciilifeform |
;;google republikflucht |
| 00:44 |
gribble |
Republikflucht - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republikflucht>; Crossing the Line: Republikflucht between Defection and Migration ...: <http://www.oxfordscholarship.com/view/10.1093/acprof:oso/9780199243280.001.0001/acprof-9780199243280-chapter-3>; Republikflucht - Wiktionary: <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Republikflucht> |
| 00:45 |
asciilifeform |
'you grew up in our glorious motherland? still want to leave, bastard? fine - pony up $1mil, to cover the cost of building you' |
| 00:45 |
tg2 |
thats how slavery started |
| 00:45 |
assbot |
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| 00:45 |
tg2 |
but the reverse |
| 00:45 |
tg2 |
lol |
| 00:45 |
decimation |
right, my only point is that they are all fractional reserve banks on the British model. The bezzle follows you everywhere |
| 00:47 |
tg2 |
canada has that |
| 00:47 |
tg2 |
its called brain drain |
| 00:48 |
chetty |
but they reach out all over the world to serve those unfortunate 'unbanked' |
| 00:48 |
tg2 |
education and healthcare heavily subsidized, then high talent individuals go to silicon valley and work there |
| 00:49 |
kakobrekla |
this brain drain thingy seems to be everywhere. but how could that be, it has to drain to something, unless its sewer? |
| 00:49 |
kakobrekla |
to someplace * |
| 00:49 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: the answer lies in the sewer. |
| 00:49 |
chetty |
going galt? |
| 00:50 |
asciilifeform |
high talent individuals go to silicon valley << world-renowned chumpatron. leaving aside the question of whether the folks there 'work' (in the sense of producing anything valuable) - they get sheared very properly, for much of what they make - at least the ones who wouldn't care to commute 4 hrs/day |
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| 00:50 |
kakobrekla |
i was afraid so ascii. |
| 00:51 |
decimation |
yeah silicon valley is at least 2x worse than the DC area |
| 00:51 |
decimation |
no rational engineer would work there for less than $300k per year |
| 00:51 |
decimation |
but they make $100k |
| 00:52 |
kanzure |
kids out of school are making $90-$100k in the bay area |
| 00:52 |
asciilifeform |
100k won't buy you a garret to starve in, there. |
| 00:52 |
decimation |
kanzure: how much do they make 15 years in? |
| 00:52 |
kanzure |
so anyone with an ounce of experience is making.. a lot more. :) |
| 00:52 |
decimation |
I bet not more than $150k |
| 00:52 |
kanzure |
well, from personal experience i'd say at least $.. oh, yeah, definitely more than 150 |
| 00:53 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally, we are close to a useful definition of 'rich' - fellow is 'rich' if he can tell the man with the shears to go to hell, and make it stick. |
| 00:53 |
kanzure |
at *minimum* the metric is +$1k/month per year of experience |
| 00:53 |
decimation |
lol |
| 00:54 |
kanzure |
and that's underperforming |
| 00:54 |
asciilifeform |
engineer who has to pay $100k to live within range of his $150k employer, cannot be described even as 'well to do' |
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| 00:54 |
kanzure |
here is the survey i did, |
| 00:54 |
kanzure |
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5802295 |
| 00:54 |
decimation |
no, he's effectively a wage slave |
| 00:54 |
kanzure |
anyway, 15 years of experience can easily get 25-30k/mo |
| 00:55 |
decimation |
right. because your poll said so? |
| 00:55 |
kanzure |
experience |
| 00:56 |
kanzure |
the poll is only to help idiots calibrate that $90k is low-end of the scale |
| 00:57 |
decimation |
okay, let's pretend that 15 year veterans are all making $300k - when a reasonable home is $1 mil, they are still pretty poor |
| 00:57 |
asciilifeform |
kanzure: the poll (even if we assume that every answer was truthful and representative of something) isn't particularly useful, because it lumps in things which are quite unlike. |
| 00:57 |
asciilifeform |
300k vice president of widgets inc. is not a member of the same profession as his engineer. |
| 00:57 |
kanzure |
asciilifeform: i would say it could be useful for the idiot calibration |
| 00:58 |
kanzure |
and sure, i was focusing on people who write software |
| 00:58 |
asciilifeform |
wrote. |
| 00:58 |
kanzure |
or at least.. pretend to. |
| 00:58 |
kanzure |
<?= gox(); ?> |
| 00:58 |
asciilifeform |
300k is, afaik, always a case of 'wrote' |
| 00:58 |
decimation |
these same $300k vp's famously conspired to underpay said engineers |
| 00:58 |
kanzure |
i was not a "vp" |
| 00:58 |
asciilifeform |
except in the wonderful case described earlier, where a chumper pays $250k to live near 300k job |
| 01:00 |
kanzure |
good gigs tend to be clustered around anything that says 'individual contributor' |
| 01:00 |
asciilifeform |
engineers, typically, sit in 'gravity wells' - because so long as you are bound to some geographic location, even a very large one, the folks with the shears come out |
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| 01:00 |
asciilifeform |
and slice off your disposable income |
| 01:01 |
kanzure |
huh? all of my work has been remote. |
| 01:01 |
kanzure |
i guess you could claim gravity is impacting speed of light constraints on my work, but wtf? |
| 01:01 |
asciilifeform |
kanzure: you're in mp's weight class, then. |
| 01:02 |
kanzure |
magic pony? |
| 01:02 |
asciilifeform |
i'm speaking of me fellow zeros, not heroes |
| 01:02 |
kanzure |
haha you are a zero? |
| 01:02 |
kanzure |
what sort of fucked up math are you using? |
| 01:02 |
mikaeldice |
So, this guy who said that people who put money on an exchange are stupid sheep and that the next MtGox fiasco 'is coming' is now opening his own exchange. |
| 01:03 |
assbot |
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| 01:03 |
asciilifeform |
i have to, after all, concede that folks who have escaped from gravity well, while i sit in, are more clever than i |
| 01:03 |
asciilifeform |
hard to think of a better 'iq test' |
| 01:03 |
decimation |
yeah, me too |
| 01:04 |
chetty |
mikaeldice, hahahaha |
| 01:04 |
decimation |
except, the case of those who immigrated to the US looking for escape... |
| 01:04 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: 20 yrs. ago it wasn't an obviously stupid thing to do |
| 01:05 |
kanzure |
the only problem with this conversation is that i can't figure out why would you want to be employed (of all people) |
| 01:05 |
asciilifeform |
kanzure: to eat? |
| 01:05 |
decimation |
kanzure, are you implying that one with suitable skills can easily make $300k without "knowing" the "right people"? |
| 01:06 |
kanzure |
hmm i don't know about easily, things do take "work" |
| 01:06 |
kanzure |
and you don't have to know the right people in advance, but you do eventually have to meet someone |
| 01:06 |
kanzure |
at least one person (namely the person who would be paying you) |
| 01:07 |
kanzure |
also you have to be able to provide actual value. no coding an airplane into the ground. |
| 01:08 |
asciilifeform |
kanzure: if you're the kind of hero who can demand 300k without ever having to physically meet a client, attend a whatever board, deliver physical samples in person, etc - more power to you |
| 01:08 |
asciilifeform |
but i dare say that you (and mp?) may be alone in this weight class, among us |
| 01:09 |
decimation |
my "experience" is quite full of people who are apparently quite intelligent and are unable to demand such a rate |
| 01:09 |
kanzure |
alas, on one of my recent gigs i somehow ended up traveling for a week every few months.. it was trickery. :( |
| 01:09 |
decimation |
I guess I just don't see the offers on dice.com or whatever |
| 01:09 |
asciilifeform |
i've often had 'interesting' conversations with people to whom i suggested calculating their wage 'per hour of actual work' |
| 01:09 |
kanzure |
knowing even just a little bit of programming puts you beyond the hope of most job sites |
| 01:10 |
kanzure |
so, what people do instead is more like in-bound marketing |
| 01:10 |
asciilifeform |
with the latter defined by 'doing anything that you would not do if you didn't have to' |
| 01:10 |
kanzure |
where their open source projects, blogs, conference talks/videos, whatever, serves as a way of directing traffic to them |
| 01:10 |
kanzure |
and then they get picked up by the industrial whales or do contracting gigs |
| 01:11 |
kanzure |
naturally this ends up causing some weirdness.. some people focusing on just hadoop or whatever. which is weird. but you can see why it happens. |
| 01:11 |
asciilifeform |
i don't dispute that there live unique specialists who are paid $xxx k for something that could be described as 'engineering.' but most of them are on some kind of physical leash, however long. |
| 01:12 |
kanzure |
oh, i'm not even talking about the people who started the projects |
| 01:12 |
kanzure |
not-highly-unique but really as soon as you know more than a handful of things, you're already likely something that doesn't exist somewhee else in aggregate |
| 01:13 |
kanzure |
("did i mention that i cry myself to sleep while making shitty PCBs every night?") |
| 01:13 |
kanzure |
*somewhere |
| 01:14 |
kanzure |
now excuse me i must go cry over a shitty xml parser http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/p2pfoundation/dumpspot/pullparser.py |
| 01:14 |
asciilifeform |
kanzure: the way i understand it, this is not how markets actually work. if i'm the only one who knows how to build xxx, i don't get to collect $maxint for building an xxx. simply, xxx doesn't get made. |
| 01:15 |
asciilifeform |
(or, it is made - evenings/weekends.) |
| 01:16 |
kanzure |
it's more like.. finding companies with lots of money, and then solving their problems using what you know. |
| 01:16 |
kanzure |
and then selecting those companies more carefully so that the solutions happen to be things that wont bore you to death |
| 01:16 |
decimation |
there are many details missing here, but it seems to me that kanzure is basically saying that big gov't/corps are willing to pay $100x to get what they could otherwise pay $x to get |
| 01:17 |
asciilifeform |
i've yet to see a living case of this that wasn't in the 'pay 250 to live in range of the 300' territory. |
| 01:17 |
kanzure |
so wait, your thesis is that all highly-paid individuals are getting screwed? |
| 01:17 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: the parsimonious hypothesis is much simpler - some people get access to what drips from the money printer pipeline by having the right friends |
| 01:17 |
asciilifeform |
or sucking the right cocks |
| 01:17 |
decimation |
yeah I agree |
| 01:18 |
kanzure |
is it possible that there are people that are getting paid relative to the value that they create? |
| 01:18 |
asciilifeform |
a much smaller set actually provides $maxint of value |
| 01:18 |
asciilifeform |
but they aren't 'employees' in any sense |
| 01:19 |
assbot |
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| 01:19 |
kanzure |
haha neobeeq |
| 01:19 |
kanzure |
is that faked? |
| 01:19 |
decimation |
I think it's true that a "web of trust" of competent individuals act as hired guns to do jobs for govt/corps |
| 01:19 |
decimation |
but I don't think that is a large population |
| 01:20 |
decimation |
and their pay is largely decided by their position on their wot |
| 01:20 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: this does appear to be the way it works, where i live. |
| 01:21 |
decimation |
note, that this isn't exactly a 40 year career plan |
| 01:21 |
kanzure |
http://pub5.di.fm/di_progressive_aac?type=.flv |
| 01:22 |
decimation |
at some point the harvard MBA is going to ask "Why are we paying this guy $300k when we could hire 20 Indians for the same?" |
| 01:22 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: why would he ask this question about his best friend? |
| 01:23 |
kanzure |
because i've managed 20 indians and my quality and quantity of output was still better at the same itme |
| 01:23 |
kanzure |
*time |
| 01:23 |
kanzure |
(except it wasn't indians, it was vietnamese, and they were actually very good) |
| 01:23 |
decimation |
he wouldn't of course; but when he retires the next young gun trying to cut the bottom line would |
| 01:23 |
kanzure |
and then they'd wonder why their site keeps getting hacked etc |
| 01:23 |
asciilifeform |
next guy - next set of parasites (in the original, roman sense of the word.) |
| 01:24 |
kanzure |
and why the product is 18 months behind |
| 01:24 |
kanzure |
"but we added 200 people!" |
| 01:24 |
asciilifeform |
kanzure: i'd be surprised if anyone here hasn't read (or lived!) 'mythical man-month' |
| 01:24 |
kanzure |
actually, i haven't :) |
| 01:24 |
kanzure |
i just pretend that i have |
| 01:24 |
asciilifeform |
you just described 'living' it. |
| 01:25 |
decimation |
I would recommend it |
| 01:25 |
kanzure |
well, yes, but i stole it from the book |
| 01:25 |
kanzure |
yeah i know i should read it, i'm just terrible |
| 01:26 |
decimation |
kanzure I presume this is you: https://github.com/kanzure/ |
| 01:26 |
kanzure |
yes |
| 01:26 |
decimation |
I wouldn't be willing to develop in javascript for $300k |
| 01:27 |
decimation |
that's why I'm a zero I guess |
| 01:27 |
kanzure |
oh yeah, it's fucking awful |
| 01:27 |
kanzure |
definitely not high on my list of things i'm proud of |
| 01:29 |
decimation |
ascii if only some prince were willing to pay you develop your loper-os |
| 01:29 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
| 01:29 |
kanzure |
fuck that, i want my headset |
| 01:29 |
kanzure |
my saiyan viewfinder |
| 01:29 |
kanzure |
uh, scouter |
| 01:30 |
truffles |
time to level up to super |
| 01:30 |
asciilifeform |
'I wouldn't be willing to develop in javascript for $300k' << this goes back to the original point i was trying to make, when i mentioned hunting for flat (i generally don't discuss crap like this without a good reason) - |
| 01:30 |
asciilifeform |
one man's 300k is not the same as another's |
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| 01:30 |
kanzure |
sure. i wouldn't be willing to go into an office for $150k. |
| 01:30 |
asciilifeform |
in the sense that if you have to live in a particular place, or worse, become a certain kind of person, to earn it, you are in fact very poor |
| 01:30 |
truffles |
0.0 |
| 01:31 |
asciilifeform |
poorer than a beggar, in some cases |
| 01:31 |
truffles |
what kinda baller r u dood |
| 01:31 |
truffles |
150k id go in super early too ;D |
| 01:31 |
kanzure |
i smoke lines of code? |
| 01:31 |
kanzure |
it's not as great as you think |
| 01:31 |
asciilifeform |
likewise, one man's 300k may buy a palace (in costa rica), another's - a converted garage in palo alto |
| 01:31 |
truffles |
sure is, id live for like 5yrs + on that |
| 01:32 |
kanzure |
US salaries are discussed in pre-tax terms |
| 01:32 |
kanzure |
(i know, it's stupid) |
| 01:32 |
truffles |
heh |
| 01:32 |
asciilifeform |
truffles: which is precisely why it is reserved for the folks who agreed to the conditions of indenture |
| 01:32 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. throwing most of the 300 directly to the vultures |
| 01:33 |
asciilifeform |
;;google FIRE economy |
| 01:33 |
gribble |
FIRE economy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIRE_economy>; Official FIRE Economy site: <http://www.fireeconomy.com/>; FIRE Economy Definition | Investopedia: <http://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/fire-economy.asp> |
| 01:33 |
truffles |
not that id sign up for a job of u know e.g. killing ppl |
| 01:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.0009651 = 3.3779 BTC [-] |
| 01:33 |
truffles |
but ppl sign up to join the military daily.. |
| 01:34 |
truffles |
do they even make 30k? |
| 01:34 |
kanzure |
is that a threat |
| 01:34 |
kanzure |
they actually make out ok depending on whether or not they dump it all into a corvette |
| 01:34 |
asciilifeform |
signing bonus alone, last i checked, was close to 30k |
| 01:34 |
asciilifeform |
(scratch that - re-enlistment bonus) |
| 01:34 |
decimation |
in my experience the rich around the DC area are mostly military http://usmilitary.about.com/od/2013BHA/a/13bahwdepofDC.htm |
| 01:35 |
decimation |
27 year old with a wife gets $2800 tax-free per month |
| 01:35 |
truffles |
blackwater? |
| 01:35 |
decimation |
on top of free food and medical care |
| 01:35 |
decimation |
with the possibility of converting to a well-paid contract position upon 20 years of "service" |
| 01:36 |
truffles |
thought u had to be contracting to get decent money |
| 01:36 |
asciilifeform |
not sure in what sense a fellow who gets to not only do work which he doesn't necessarily feel like doing, but also get sent off as cannon fodder - can be thought of as 'rich' |
| 01:36 |
MisterE |
there are many reasons people join the military |
| 01:36 |
MisterE |
the most common is they have nothing else |
| 01:36 |
asciilifeform |
he's essentially a more physically-fit version of the palo alto programmer |
| 01:36 |
MisterE |
it's eithe rthat or the streets |
| 01:37 |
truffles |
sure u can have a pure heart going in |
| 01:37 |
asciilifeform |
does not own his arse. |
| 01:37 |
MisterE |
now with middle class in the dump it's looking better and better |
| 01:37 |
truffles |
we're not discussing that |
| 01:37 |
kanzure |
why didn't DPR blackmail the fbi? |
| 01:37 |
MisterE |
contractors make more for sure |
| 01:37 |
truffles |
<MisterE> now with middle class in the dump it's looking better and better>>> to join the US military? |
| 01:37 |
decimation |
the number who end up cannon fodder are very small |
| 01:37 |
MisterE |
yes |
| 01:38 |
decimation |
us military are mustly bureaucrats with coordianted clothing |
| 01:38 |
truffles |
u srs dood |
| 01:38 |
truffles |
arent they downsizing |
| 01:38 |
MisterE |
heh you seen their budget? is it downsizing? |
| 01:38 |
truffles |
i believe it will be |
| 01:38 |
MisterE |
US can not afford to downsize the military industrial comples jobs program |
| 01:38 |
MisterE |
instant recession |
| 01:38 |
MisterE |
complex* |
| 01:39 |
decimation |
not to mention it employs most of the scant 300k electrical engineers total in the us |
| 01:39 |
truffles |
guess we will see in the coming years |
| 01:39 |
asciilifeform |
growing mil budget does not necessarily translate to more pig slots at the trough. |
| 01:39 |
MisterE |
can barely stop QE without blood all over the floor it's a shaky house of cards |
| 01:40 |
MisterE |
$500 hammers :0 |
| 01:40 |
decimation |
http://www.militarytimes.com/article/20140304/NEWS05/303040021/2015-budget-released-How-cuts-affect-pay-BAH-per-diem-Tricare |
| 01:40 |
ozbot |
2015 budget released: How the cuts affect pay, BAH, per diem and Tricare | Military Times | military |
| 01:40 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 16 @ 0.0075 = 0.12 BTC [+] |
| 01:40 |
decimation |
"The Pentagon is also mounting a new attempt to cut travel costs. Specifically, that effort will reduce per diem rates for troops on extended travel. It will also eliminate reimbursements for laundry services, bottled water and other ?incidental? expenses. Officials could not immediately provide details of the new per diem rates." |
| 01:40 |
decimation |
sounds like serious cuts |
| 01:40 |
MisterE |
this is only a proposed budget |
| 01:40 |
asciilifeform |
everyone loves the $500 hammer. but how many people who laugh at the hammer have ever built a one-off prototype of anything? |
| 01:41 |
MisterE |
by the time congress hacks it up military spending will increase |
| 01:41 |
asciilifeform |
what do you suppose it would cost to build your pc by hand, in a quantity of five? |
| 01:41 |
asciilifeform |
assume you don't have to fabricate the ICs - only mount them. |
| 01:41 |
truffles |
yea seems clear that downsizing is imminent |
| 01:42 |
decimation |
assuming you lack a competent technician, it would probably be $1000's |
| 01:42 |
MisterE |
we shall see |
| 01:42 |
MisterE |
history is not on the side of downsizing |
| 01:42 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: add a zero or two. |
| 01:42 |
MisterE |
one trumped up conflict between now and passing of a budget and that is all out the window |
| 01:42 |
truffles |
one of u painted vets as having a rosy time of it, not the reality for most afaik |
| 01:43 |
decimation |
for something complex or fancy, sure |
| 01:43 |
MisterE |
vets are really screwed now |
| 01:43 |
MisterE |
for many of the same reasons they go into the military they are screwed when they come out |
| 01:43 |
MisterE |
unless they can work for a private contractor |
| 01:45 |
asciilifeform |
the military folks aren't only being paid in money |
| 01:45 |
asciilifeform |
there are intangibles. quite a few people would - pay - to fight in a war. |
| 01:45 |
truffles |
0.0 |
| 01:45 |
decimation |
this used to be the custom, in fact: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchase_of_commissions_in_the_British_army |
| 01:46 |
MisterE |
yea GI Bill (too bad an education is worth so much less now) and the home loan are good |
| 01:46 |
truffles |
id sign up to fight in a zombie apocalypse situation for sure |
| 01:46 |
MisterE |
healthcare is so-so if you're not messed up too bad |
| 01:46 |
MisterE |
aww hell yea! |
| 01:46 |
truffles |
not if its fast zombs though |
| 01:46 |
MisterE |
truffles: I would just request a flame thrower |
| 01:46 |
MisterE |
no only the slow lumbering ones |
| 01:47 |
asciilifeform |
'fast zombies' - analogous to 'fast neutrons' ? |
| 01:47 |
MisterE |
with the retarded lurch |
| 01:47 |
MisterE |
best thing about the GI bill is they can let their kids use it |
| 01:48 |
MisterE |
few soldiers come off the front lines fit to enter college |
| 01:48 |
truffles |
society* |
| 01:48 |
MisterE |
not that they were fit for college before enlisting |
| 01:48 |
MisterE |
^ |
| 01:49 |
MisterE |
for being socially aware and having great control over our environment we are a pretty rotten bunch of animals |
| 01:49 |
MisterE |
considering how we treat each other |
| 01:50 |
truffles |
when parasites are in charge its expected ldo |
| 01:52 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04898997 = 0.147 BTC [+] |
| 01:53 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.035 = 0.105 BTC [-] |
| 01:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.0009651 = 5.0668 BTC [-] |
| 02:00 |
mircea_popescu |
<kanzure> kids out of school are making $90-$100k in the bay area <<< sure. but the 10 year veteran is not making 5-10mn. |
| 02:00 |
mircea_popescu |
which is the problem. |
| 02:02 |
mircea_popescu |
<mikaeldice> So, this guy who said that people who put money on an exchange are stupid sheep and that the next MtGox fiasco 'is coming' is now opening his own exchange. << which guy ? |
| 02:03 |
mikaeldice |
mircea_popescu, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=558966.0 |
| 02:04 |
kakobrekla |
wtf nonsense. |
| 02:05 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3318 @ 0.00016453 = 0.5459 BTC [-] {6} |
| 02:09 |
decimation |
Mr. Fasbit is very proud that you can be short as well as long |
| 02:09 |
decimation |
that's apparently a special feature of his "exchange" |
| 02:10 |
mircea_popescu |
lol ok anonforum guy |
| 02:11 |
mircea_popescu |
http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=72 |
| 02:11 |
ozbot |
#bitcoin-assets bash |
| 02:13 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, i suspect the earlier lengthy discussion about money conflates two different uses of the thing. |
| 02:13 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04898997 = 0.147 BTC [+] |
| 02:13 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03461033 = 0.1038 BTC [-] {2} |
| 02:13 |
mircea_popescu |
money can be sustenance or control. |
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| 02:13 |
mircea_popescu |
people who aren't in the business of control (such as engineers, say) wouldn't -logically- be paid enough money to go into 2nd category. |
| 02:13 |
mircea_popescu |
they'd be paid enough to support themselves. |
| 02:14 |
mircea_popescu |
in this sense the rate-control agreement of the employers in sv is quite rational and in effect socially beneficial |
| |
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| 02:14 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-] |
| 02:14 |
decimation |
I agree it is rational from their perspective. And clearly, there are loads of engineers and "engineers" who are ready to signup |
| 02:15 |
mircea_popescu |
if you overpay them the bezzle-usd just runs into inflation. |
| 02:16 |
mircea_popescu |
suppose tomorrow the agreement was that no engineer working in sv is paid under 350mn dollars a year. |
| 02:16 |
decimation |
except as I pointed out awhile ago, there are only 300k EE's in the us total |
| 02:16 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.08299776 = 0.664 BTC [-] |
| 02:16 |
mircea_popescu |
what other effects would you expect, except for rents being in the 20mn a month range ? |
| 02:16 |
decimation |
well, this is why rents in sv are already astronomical |
| 02:16 |
mircea_popescu |
yes, this is true. but they are not managers, they're not the sort of people who play the resource allocation game. thus they have no business handling money as a % of total supply. |
| 02:16 |
mircea_popescu |
they only get sustenance money. |
| 02:17 |
mircea_popescu |
there's two kinds of money see ? money-%, like btc. that's the money used by the people who allocate resources. |
| |
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| 02:17 |
decimation |
except, old republicans would point out that the managers used to not consider themselves worth of % of total business money |
| 02:17 |
mircea_popescu |
there's also money-flat, like what most people thing of "dollars". these are used to buy groceries with. |
| 02:17 |
mircea_popescu |
that may be. |
| 02:17 |
truffles |
2 kinds of money like bills and coins? |
| 02:17 |
mircea_popescu |
resources still have to be allocated, somehow, by someone/thign. |
| 02:18 |
truffles |
prob mean 2 kinds of uses* |
| 02:18 |
decimation |
this whole "the ceo should get 1% of the business" deal is something that happened in the 80's with the increasing bezzle |
| 02:18 |
decimation |
greater bezzle leads to lesser bezzle |
| 02:18 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation looky : there are two types of questions before mankind. one type reduces to what ? the other type reduces to how ? |
| 02:19 |
mircea_popescu |
the people answering how-questions don't need (or want) the tools used by the people answering what-questions. |
| 02:19 |
decimation |
except there are also who? whom? questions |
| 02:19 |
truffles |
why when |
| 02:20 |
decimation |
I don't deny that allocating resources is hard work worthy of pay |
| 02:20 |
mircea_popescu |
who is what. |
| 02:20 |
mircea_popescu |
not a matter of "worthy" see ? |
| 02:20 |
mircea_popescu |
it'll have to be done, and so it will be done. |
| 02:21 |
mircea_popescu |
and it's not harder than any other. if all we have are shitty engineers, are htey not worthy or less worthy of pay ? |
| 02:21 |
mircea_popescu |
you rule compared to roman engineers 2 millenia ago, and suck compared to derpistan engineers of 4015 |
| 02:21 |
mircea_popescu |
what's that matter. |
| 02:21 |
* |
truffles wonders if any1 is following this rant |
| 02:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00096483 = 12.7358 BTC [-] |
| 02:22 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2655 @ 0.000164 = 0.4354 BTC [-] {3} |
| 02:22 |
decimation |
right, I get your point, but in the context of today the problem is that bezzle-finance has made the job of resource allocation niegh impossible |
| 02:23 |
decimation |
as we have covered before, what this ends up doing is favoring those who in the wot of those who control the printing press |
| 02:23 |
decimation |
as would be the case in any time or place I suppose |
| 02:26 |
mircea_popescu |
<decimation> right, I get your point, but in the context of today the problem is that bezzle-finance has made the job of resource allocation niegh impossible << yes, tis true, but also somewhat unrelated to the issue of engineer pay. |
| 02:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34059 @ 0.00096127 = 32.7399 BTC [-] {3} |
| 02:26 |
mircea_popescu |
in a sense, if one finds himself bored in the laser lab and looking at the stars, one should switch from solid state to large body physics |
| 02:26 |
mircea_popescu |
rather than try and make the laser shoot stars. |
| 02:27 |
mircea_popescu |
i personally think a grown man should possess a working knowledge of both fields, at least enough to make him conversant in either. |
| 02:28 |
decimation |
in the us it is very difficult to find these 'captains of industry' who are leading the exploitation. management talent is lacking more severely than engineering talent |
| 02:28 |
mircea_popescu |
absolutely. |
| 02:29 |
decimation |
this probably causes most engineers to have contempt for those over them |
| 02:29 |
mircea_popescu |
competent managers are always in short supply. engineers used to be, but 500 years of systematic how-to-twerk videos have managed to squeeze an astonishing amount of butt out of the ass. |
| 02:30 |
mircea_popescu |
management doesn't yeild as well to the scientific method, sadly, and spitefully. |
| 02:30 |
decimation |
yes, this is true, and thus most managers are simply born |
| 02:30 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe |
| 02:31 |
decimation |
or, were born with the predeliction to seek out experience to learn the 'trade' |
| 02:31 |
mircea_popescu |
or something. |
| 02:31 |
truffles |
nepotism is a great trade |
| 02:31 |
bocobit |
how do you guys feel about the private mission to mars |
| 02:32 |
mircea_popescu |
doubtful. |
| 02:32 |
bocobit |
would you sign up knowing its a one way trip? |
| 02:32 |
truffles |
if i were a con sure |
| 02:32 |
decimation |
what would such a mission be expected to yeild? knowledge? |
| 02:32 |
chetty |
bocobit, yup |
| 02:32 |
decimation |
what could be gained by sending humans than cannot be gained from robots? |
| 02:32 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation lawsuits. |
| 02:32 |
bocobit |
who was the four man on the moon? |
| 02:32 |
bocobit |
fourth* |
| 02:33 |
truffles |
dont think they have advance enough robots out decimation |
| 02:33 |
mircea_popescu |
i have some popcorn prepared for the opinions in the first wrongful death suit connected to private marsd exploration |
| 02:33 |
decimation |
well, then perhaps the right managers can allocate resources to build the advanced enough robots |
| 02:33 |
bocobit |
i'd do it if I was the first to walk |
| 02:33 |
decimation |
except, it isn't profitable |
| 02:33 |
decimation |
so that's dumb |
| 02:34 |
bocobit |
what else is there in life? |
| 02:34 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe it can be financed through a forum ipo |
| 02:34 |
mircea_popescu |
in which case the profit is not the point. |
| 02:36 |
decimation |
maybe elon will help http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/178389-spacex-prepares-to-take-the-biggest-step-towards-affordable-space-travel-soft-landing-the-falcon-9-rocket |
| 02:36 |
truffles |
<bocobit> what else is there in life?>>> gambling |
| 02:37 |
bocobit |
I hear SD is even better on the martian surface |
| 02:37 |
truffles |
so they cant test it out with chimps 1st least it becomes planet of the apes .. |
| 02:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00096087 = 6.7261 BTC [-] {2} |
| 02:40 |
bocobit |
MP, I read that article you posted "Why I don't hire brilliant men" |
| 02:41 |
truffles |
sounds like something a lesser man writes :D |
| 02:41 |
mircea_popescu |
didja like it ? |
| 02:41 |
bocobit |
ya man I've been thinking about it the last week |
| 02:41 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00313334 = 0.1567 BTC [+] {6} |
| 02:42 |
bocobit |
there are a lot of parallels with all the new start ups in bitcoin world |
| 02:42 |
mircea_popescu |
it's usually given as a textbook example of anti-intelectualism in the us. |
| 02:42 |
truffles |
http://taoyue.com/stacks/articles/brilliant-men.html hmm |
| 02:42 |
ozbot |
From the Stacks: Why I Never Hire Brilliant Men | TaoYue.com |
| 02:43 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, the day is young. see you later all. |
| 02:43 |
Duffer1 |
later man |
| 02:43 |
bocobit |
The world needs dreamers just as much as workers |
| 02:44 |
truffles |
i think the word needs more responsible leaders |
| 02:45 |
chetty |
truffles, it needs some |
| 02:46 |
bocobit |
do any of yall read epsilon theory? |
| 02:46 |
truffles |
ya prob impossible with current paradigm |
| 02:48 |
bocobit |
http://www.salientpartners.com/epsilontheory/notes/Panopticon.html |
| 02:48 |
ozbot |
Salient |
| 02:49 |
bocobit |
this system is ripe for abuse at the top |
| 02:50 |
truffles |
one need not look further than a forum or chatroom to see that power corrupts |
| 02:52 |
bocobit |
would you rather have pure anarchy or pure authoritarianism? |
| 02:52 |
truffles |
hard choice |
| 02:52 |
truffles |
as a rebel without a cause id go anarchy way |
| 02:52 |
bocobit |
same |
| 02:53 |
bocobit |
although there might be similar traps to the individual in both cases |
| 02:53 |
truffles |
deal with 'em as they arise |
| 02:56 |
truffles |
"the only thing necessary to create the perception of being watched and monitored and punished for bad behavior was the constant possibility of being watched and monitored and punished for bad behavior," >>> this is turrble |
| 02:58 |
bocobit |
I feel this pressure everytime I am in a large crowd |
| 02:58 |
truffles |
why |
| 02:59 |
bocobit |
social mores |
| 02:59 |
truffles |
i like to give myself importance by thinking some1 is "monitoring" me heh |
| 02:59 |
truffles |
whomever has that job must be a loser heh |
| 02:59 |
bocobit |
but that monitoring isn't unique to you |
| 03:00 |
truffles |
yea |
| 03:00 |
truffles |
still special (not in a retard way) |
| 03:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2050 @ 0.00096483 = 1.9779 BTC [+] |
| 03:00 |
bocobit |
everyone feels it ( at least subconsciously ) and expect others to act accordingly |
| 03:01 |
bocobit |
a nail left exposed gets hammered down |
| 03:01 |
truffles |
not in my house |
| 03:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6081 @ 0.00096712 = 5.8811 BTC [+] |
| 03:02 |
truffles |
u can make other uses for it |
| 03:04 |
bocobit |
like blaming it for why you tripped? |
| 03:04 |
truffles |
:) |
| 03:09 |
truffles |
well if im in a crowd my 1st thoughts are "do i have any cash on hand, oh no worries" |
| 03:16 |
BingoBoingo |
[KS]: Perhaps befor we talk levels of scams we need to talk literacy on the mechanisms |
| 03:18 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05581 = 0.1116 BTC [+] {2} |
| 03:18 |
truffles |
scammers gonna scam though |
| 03:19 |
truffles |
pretty sure theyll come up with new ones |
| 03:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8240 @ 0.00096681 = 7.9665 BTC [-] |
| 03:19 |
BingoBoingo |
Ghostbusters 2: You don't want us exposing themselves |
| 03:20 |
BingoBoingo |
truffles: The important part is recognizing that most of the scams in BTC follow classic patterns developed in fiat |
| 03:21 |
BingoBoingo |
If you know how fiat scams work you can protect against many BTC scams |
| 03:21 |
truffles |
if ure gullible dont even need scams |
| 03:23 |
truffles |
btc is ripe with sharks |
| 03:24 |
chetty |
a catalog of classic scams ..who is helped most the scammers or the scammees |
| 03:24 |
BingoBoingo |
truffles: I dunno if you know what "classic" implies. And I thinkj you are trying to stretch for credibility but supposing "who could" |
| 03:24 |
truffles |
... |
| 03:26 |
chetty |
all scams depend on one thing: greed |
| 03:27 |
BingoBoingo |
chetty: What about the ones that require stupid? |
| 03:28 |
truffles |
i thought btc crowd was a lil smarter than gen pop.. |
| 03:28 |
kakobrekla |
not anymore |
| 03:31 |
chetty |
even stupid won't get roped in unless they are also greedy - the whole concept depends on 'get something for nothing' - or at least for little |
| 03:31 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.60694998 = 1.2139 BTC [-] {2} |
| 03:31 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0075 = 0.15 BTC [+] |
| 03:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00096712 = 8.7041 BTC [+] |
| 03:50 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 600 @ 0.00018961 = 0.1138 BTC [-] {2} |
| 03:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4302 @ 0.00096776 = 4.1633 BTC [+] {2} |
| 04:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3532 @ 0.00096878 = 3.4217 BTC [+] |
| 04:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4568 @ 0.00096941 = 4.4283 BTC [+] |
| 04:15 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 20892 @ 0.00019853 = 4.1477 BTC [+] {20} |
| 04:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1133 @ 0.00017498 = 0.1983 BTC [-] {2} |
| 04:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 800 @ 0.000202 = 0.1616 BTC [+] |
| 04:29 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.04944496 = 0.4944 BTC [+] |
| 04:29 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.035 = 0.35 BTC [-] |
| 04:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19115 @ 0.00096968 = 18.5354 BTC [+] {2} |
| 04:38 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3052 @ 0.00097017 = 2.961 BTC [+] {2} |
| 04:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55238 @ 0.00097209 = 53.6963 BTC [+] {5} |
| 04:46 |
random_cat |
Greed is right. Greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures, the essence of the evolutionary spirit. |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
| 05:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2787 @ 0.00097769 = 2.7248 BTC [+] {2} |
| 05:07 |
BingoBoingo |
random_cat: Greed is good, greed is a useful angle of analysis, but but what is greed compared to Putang? |
| 05:07 |
BingoBoingo |
Tcl interface unloaded |
| 05:13 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 850 @ 0.00023981 = 0.2038 BTC [+] {2} |
| 05:15 |
dexX7 |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=545640.0 lol |
| 05:15 |
ozbot |
The new bitcoin police |
| 05:24 |
jurov |
"to patronize and annoy" |
| 05:27 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-] |
| 05:32 |
BingoBoingo |
Why the fuck is everyone named Christian such a fucking Cho-Mo |
| 05:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00098471 = 12.9982 BTC [+] |
| 05:37 |
keonne |
Please tell me thas a joke... |
| 05:38 |
keonne |
I had no idea you could still make geocities websites these days btcpd.com |
| 05:39 |
keonne |
http://btcpd.com/picture_library/20140330_183756.jpg Sweet mustache. it must help him solve bitcrimes |
| 05:39 |
jurov |
it's very sensitive like cat's whiskers |
| 05:40 |
keonne |
aww adorable. I wanna be whitelisted so I get that bitching graphic |
| 05:41 |
dexX7 |
> geocities .... ahahhahahaha =D |
| 05:42 |
keonne |
seriously, it has geocities all over it |
| 05:43 |
dexX7 |
yes |
| 05:44 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+] |
| 05:45 |
keonne |
so...anyone else reduce their position in RENT before the IPO? |
| 05:46 |
keonne |
I have a feeling its gonna drop, i dont know where they came up with this 0.0075 price from, their asses it seems |
| 05:47 |
punkman |
something like they had a USD goal, they converted to BTC, got 0.0075 |
| 05:47 |
jurov |
keonne, the20year was here few days ago and defended it, don't remember how |
| 05:47 |
jurov |
everything is out there in the logs :) |
| 05:48 |
punkman |
https://birtchex.com/ |
| 05:48 |
ozbot |
birtchex - nextgen forex |
| 05:48 |
keonne |
Ill check it out thanks jurov |
| 05:48 |
punkman |
" Offering long and short positions, limit orders, and put and call options." |
| 05:49 |
dexX7 |
what's so nextgen about it? |
| 05:51 |
punkman |
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/r-david-matthew-gambrell/61/347/550 |
| 05:51 |
ozbot |
R David Matthew Gambrell | LinkedIn |
| 05:52 |
jurov |
http://reason.com/blog/2014/04/04/no-the-irs-didnt-leak-mozilla-ex-ceos-do |
| 05:53 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0075 = 0.1875 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
| 06:08 |
BingoBoingo |
keonne: You will be a much happier person if you just lurk for a year before "investing" |
| 06:10 |
moiety |
does anyone here know who owns localbitcoins? their channel is dead |
| 06:12 |
BingoBoingo |
I doubt the commitment of everyone here to sparkle motion, especially moiety |
| 06:15 |
Apocalyptic |
moiety, jeremias used to hang out on IRC |
| 06:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.0009895 = 4.3538 BTC [+] |
| 06:15 |
BingoBoingo |
Apocalyptic: Where is your commitment to sparkle motion |
| 06:15 |
moiety |
BingoBoingo: sparkle motion? |
| 06:15 |
BingoBoingo |
Movie reference |
| 06:15 |
moiety |
thanks for the name Apocalyptic |
| 06:16 |
BingoBoingo |
Knowing the reference is key to understanding contemporary 'Murican failings |
| 06:16 |
Apocalyptic |
a good movie btw |
| 06:17 |
BingoBoingo |
Apocalyptic: Thx |
| 06:18 |
keonne |
BingoBoingo: you have no idea how long ive been around ;) |
| 06:18 |
jurov |
that's pretty useless advice, let me paraphrase mp: |
| 06:18 |
jurov |
You will be much happier person if you just sit on your dick for a year before fucking. |
| 06:19 |
BingoBoingo |
keonne: And you have no little child of mine |
| 06:19 |
moiety |
i love that film... how did i not get that quote |
| 06:19 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 500 @ 0.00020014 = 0.1001 BTC [-] {3} |
| 06:19 |
BingoBoingo |
moiety: Saving grace of the scottish. |
| 06:19 |
moiety |
keonne: you dont like boats a lot by any chance do you? perhaps wrong keonne, sorry if so |
| 06:20 |
keonne |
i like sail boats |
| 06:20 |
keonne |
and i doubt there are a lot of keonnes around |
| 06:21 |
moiety |
we have met then i think :) |
| 06:21 |
keonne |
really? |
| 06:21 |
keonne |
in London? |
| 06:21 |
moiety |
mmhmm especially if you made a big move recently |
| 06:21 |
moiety |
not inperson |
| 06:21 |
keonne |
hah! |
| 06:21 |
keonne |
yes |
| 06:21 |
keonne |
im very curious |
| 06:21 |
moiety |
but youre on my fb lol |
| 06:22 |
keonne |
intriguing |
| 06:22 |
keonne |
this community is too damn small |
| 06:22 |
keonne |
and my name too damn unique |
| 06:23 |
BingoBoingo |
keonne: This space is too small to imagine niggers.txt is unique |
| 06:23 |
keonne |
good old niggers.txt |
| 06:23 |
moiety |
ohgod |
| 06:24 |
BingoBoingo |
moiety: Plz don't chimp out. Everybody came out of Africa anyways |
| 06:25 |
moiety |
chimp out XD nah the ohgod was because i didnt know what happened for sooo long XD |
| 06:25 |
BingoBoingo |
moiety: Be moar rx-list |
| 06:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00098857 = 7.6614 BTC [-] {2} |
| 06:26 |
keonne |
gay.pl was better anyway |
| 06:27 |
* |
moiety hopes that wasnt a ragequit |
| 06:28 |
jurov |
who? mjr_1 ? |
| 06:29 |
jurov |
oh Bingo |
| 06:29 |
dexX7 |
* BingoBoingo has quit (Quit: Leaving) |
| 06:29 |
keonne |
I like how he came in and gave me unsolicitied advise |
| 06:32 |
moiety |
keonne: logs |
| 06:33 |
moiety |
i always arrive>mew>catch up teh logs |
| 06:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1193 @ 0.00098752 = 1.1781 BTC [-] |
| 06:39 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00020011 = 0.2001 BTC [-] {4} |
| 06:50 |
moiety |
wb BB |
| 06:50 |
BingoBoingo |
hey |
| 06:57 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.04899999 = 0.539 BTC [-] |
| 06:57 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.035 = 0.385 BTC [-] |
| 07:02 |
dexX7 |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348468.msg6094700#msg6094700 |
| 07:02 |
ozbot |
[BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process |
| 07:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 563 @ 0.0009817 = 0.5527 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 16 minutes ~ |
| 07:19 |
* |
MisterE is watching "Idiocracy 2006" in VLC |
| |
~ 16 minutes ~ |
| 07:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13327 @ 0.00098114 = 13.0757 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 17 minutes ~ |
| 07:53 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 7000 @ 0.00023999 = 1.6799 BTC [+] {5} |
| 07:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00098525 = 15.9118 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 30 minutes ~ |
| 08:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18951 @ 0.00098225 = 18.6146 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
| 08:44 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60669998 BTC [-] |
| 08:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.000986 = 11.0925 BTC [+] {2} |
| 08:57 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 170 @ 0.00088843 = 0.151 BTC [+] |
| 08:58 |
|
BingoBoingo: as long as there is no "scientific" pretense. |
| 09:09 |
draino |
i gotta say i miss MPOE_PR's sassy nipple more than i would have thought |
| 09:16 |
mircea_popescu |
keonne and who might you be ? |
| 09:18 |
bounce |
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10739872/Russians-petition-for-return-of-Alaska.html |
| 09:18 |
ozbot |
Russians petition for return of Alaska - Telegraph |
| 09:19 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 09:29 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 24 @ 0.08299776 = 1.9919 BTC [-] {2} |
| 09:31 |
keonne |
hi mircea_popescu |
| 09:31 |
keonne |
i am keonne |
| 09:31 |
mircea_popescu |
ello |
| 09:31 |
keonne |
that is my name |
| 09:31 |
mircea_popescu |
abdul keonne ? |
| 09:32 |
keonne |
well abdul is/was my handle for years on irc |
| 09:32 |
keonne |
usually on gnaa or somewhere else nefarious |
| 09:32 |
keonne |
but i tweeted you yesterday about btc shop |
| 09:32 |
keonne |
and i did mention i would lurk in here now |
| 09:32 |
mircea_popescu |
oic. |
| 09:32 |
keonne |
so just making good on my twitter promises i suppose |
| 09:33 |
mircea_popescu |
so welcome. |
| 09:33 |
keonne |
thank you |
| 09:33 |
bounce |
re earlier topic, I rather think plenty poor management gets to hang on and management in general is overvalued because we don't know how to properly value management, or even properly evaluate management outcomes, for that matter. |
| 09:33 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce one aspect of it's pesky tendency not to lend itself to the scientific method well |
| 09:34 |
mircea_popescu |
its* |
| 09:34 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-] |
| 09:34 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03501 = 0.105 BTC [-] |
| 09:34 |
bounce |
not directly, no. there's ways, though. |
| 09:35 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 29 @ 0.035 = 1.015 BTC [-] {2} |
| 09:36 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04875 = 0.195 BTC [+] {2} |
| 09:37 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe. |
| 09:37 |
mircea_popescu |
just like the deceitful whore doesn't lend herself to marriage, |
| 09:37 |
mircea_popescu |
but "there are ways". |
| 09:37 |
bounce |
actually, more like the other way around: management fundamentally deals with people so scientific method has a hard time with it, but moreover too many in management don't even try |
| 09:37 |
mircea_popescu |
well that's also true. |
| 09:38 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, brb cause im writing an article then we can beat it more. |
| 09:40 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.034622 = 0.5193 BTC [-] {2} |
| 09:46 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SMG] 3030 @ 0.00007431 = 0.2252 BTC [-] {3} |
| 09:50 |
peterl |
is Havelock SMG convertible to actual shares of S.MG? |
| 09:52 |
peterl |
aha, to answer my own question, yes, but it costs 1 btc per transfer ... I don't think there is enough volume to make arbitrage worthwhile |
| 09:52 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.00024992 = 0.4998 BTC [+] {4} |
| 09:53 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1811 @ 0.00023929 = 0.4334 BTC [-] {3} |
| 09:57 |
Apocalyptic |
truffles, btw you're on the permaban list of -otc since August 24th, what did you do ? |
| 09:57 |
truffles |
called a mod a pussy or something |
| 09:57 |
Apocalyptic |
lol |
| 09:57 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2250 @ 0.00015303 = 0.3443 BTC [-] {2} |
| 09:58 |
truffles |
he was crying about how he has to be on the phone forever etc |
| 09:58 |
truffles |
i was like maybe u should really commit to bitcoin |
| 09:58 |
truffles |
he got defensive |
| 09:58 |
truffles |
i forget the rest |
| 09:59 |
Apocalyptic |
looks like it was coingenuity |
| 09:59 |
truffles |
that douche |
| 10:00 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 550 @ 0.00025906 = 0.1425 BTC [+] {2} |
| 10:06 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00579456 = 0.2608 BTC [+] {4} |
| |
~ 23 minutes ~ |
| 10:30 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2014/lets-try-and-understand-this-no-such-thing-as-bad-publicity-thing/ |
| 10:30 |
ozbot |
Let’s try and understand this “no such thing as bad publicity” thing. pe Trilema - Un blog de |
| 10:34 |
keonne |
superfluous 'a' in the second paragraph after 'inept' |
| 10:35 |
truffles |
pretty sure there's more n migtve missed :D |
| 10:36 |
keonne |
yeah it doesnt bother me, just figured extra proofreaders wouldnt hurt :) |
| 10:37 |
truffles |
its prob a mindfield of them though |
| 10:37 |
truffles |
so if u start with that 1 heh |
| 10:38 |
keonne |
lol |
| 10:38 |
mircea_popescu |
keonne actually before very :D |
| 10:38 |
mircea_popescu |
fixt ty. |
| 10:38 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04946739 = 0.1979 BTC [+] {2} |
| 10:38 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.034601 = 0.1038 BTC [+] |
| 10:38 |
keonne |
ok work finished - au revoir! |
| 10:38 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 10:39 |
mircea_popescu |
now i can finally get to the best part of my day, |
| 10:39 |
mircea_popescu |
reading teh logs here. |
| 10:39 |
truffles |
rly? |
| 10:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4733 @ 0.00098698 = 4.6714 BTC [+] |
| 10:41 |
mircea_popescu |
truffles dun worry, nobody's monitoring you. |
| 10:41 |
truffles |
im special ! |
| 10:41 |
everclear |
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=553092.msg6095533#msg6095533 |
| 10:42 |
mircea_popescu |
everclear what's that ? |
| 10:42 |
everclear |
Mentality of your critics |
| 10:43 |
mircea_popescu |
it's a bizarre collection, that forum. |
| 10:43 |
truffles |
oh i didnt know extradition was an option hmm |
| 10:43 |
everclear |
:) |
| 10:44 |
mircea_popescu |
truffles it's good you have the internet, because you can thus acquire even more parts you don't understand to build even larger the pile of dysfunctional junk that is your brain. |
| 10:44 |
truffles |
internet, i know its the best thing ever |
| 10:45 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves thestringpuller http://ghettohikes.tumblr.com/ |
| 10:46 |
truffles |
"This man is clearly a bit unhinged. He has no sense of objective reality" hehe |
| 10:47 |
mircea_popescu |
who, putin ? |
| 10:47 |
truffles |
no silly u |
| 10:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1876 @ 0.00098698 = 1.8516 BTC [+] |
| 10:47 |
mircea_popescu |
but the leaders of the sheeple bleating this nonsense on the forum said the same thing about the man that spanked them. |
| 10:47 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess they in the end deserve each other. |
| 10:48 |
chetty |
is that forum page a guy talking to himself? sure sounds like it |
| 10:48 |
mircea_popescu |
when forumanon says of mp what obama&co say of putin, we know we're living in the best of possible worlds. |
| 10:48 |
mircea_popescu |
chetty the irony here is that whether he is actually physically distinct from the next derp or not makes little difference. stupidity is quite fungible. |
| 10:49 |
chetty |
ah - hahahaha |
| 10:50 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov lol seriously, random guy out of nowhere "has made teh policez" ? how very meek of him :D |
| 10:50 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman are you like on a special list or something ? where do you find all this stuff ? |
| 10:51 |
truffles |
the US "gave" the internet to the world so will it be as easy to seize domains? |
| 10:51 |
chetty |
I want to know why someone would want to 'win points with us regulators', but I won't dirty my hands actually posting on that |
| 10:52 |
mircea_popescu |
;;later tell moiety localbitcoins had some technology-enthusiastic policemen pull some "sting operations", which were kinda lulzy in their braindead stupidity but probably spelled out actual financial and emotional pain for the unfortunate parties to get involved in the bureaucracy's quest to justify its continued existence. i imagine it's gone as a result. |
| 10:52 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 10:52 |
truffles |
gotta let them wet their beaks |
| 10:52 |
punkman |
mircea_popescu: i have these episodes every couple of days, I see URLs in my epileptic visions |
| 10:53 |
punkman |
how about these dudes, http://www.greenbankcapitalinc.com/ |
| 10:53 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman you're the most gifted person i know. |
| 10:53 |
punkman |
also I think this is topace, http://weirdly.net/resume.php amirite topace? |
| 10:53 |
mircea_popescu |
"The CEO of GreenBank has over 40 years experience investing in small caps" |
| 10:55 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.stockhouse.com/companies/bullboard/c.zri/zara-resources-inc |
| 10:55 |
ozbot |
Zara Resources Inc. ( C.ZRI ) stock message board and forum - Bullboard Discussion - Stockhouse C |
| 10:55 |
mircea_popescu |
kinda lulzy. |
| 10:55 |
punkman |
yeah mining that gold |
| 10:55 |
mircea_popescu |
QUOTE: "This is why the term "fictitious profits", definitely applies. |
| 10:55 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.stockhouse.com/companies/bullboard/c.zri/zara-resources-inc?postid=21688488 |
| 10:55 |
ozbot |
Zara Resources Inc. ( C.ZRI ) stock message board and forum - Bullboard Discussion - Stockhouse C |
| 10:55 |
punkman |
they got like 5 of those |
| 10:56 |
mircea_popescu |
hard to call, really, because the minerals exploration business (as discussed previously here) is kinda builty to work like this and there do exist occasional legitimate corps that get the brush treatment anyway |
| 10:56 |
mircea_popescu |
still... i wouldn't trust the guy just on the grounds he exists. |
| 10:56 |
truffles |
punkman but where'd he go to skool! |
| 10:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13318 @ 0.00098703 = 13.1453 BTC [+] {2} |
| 10:57 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman incidentally, why not make yourself a career out of this ? |
| 10:57 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: if you've the time, would be interesting to hear more re: the fate of the engineers. |
| 10:57 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform shoot ? |
| 10:57 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2014#607219 |
| 10:58 |
ozbot |
#bitcoin-assets log |
| 10:58 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm just here waiting for people to type, not busy in any sense not able to go anywhere, life of dreamz. |
| 10:58 |
punkman |
mircea_popescu: I do some paid work collecting data, research, etc |
| 10:58 |
truffles |
confined to the home already mp |
| 10:58 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman srsly, make a blog, write up one of these a day, each day, for a year. |
| 10:58 |
mircea_popescu |
if by that year you're not fucking thankful you started, you may negrate me in all fairness. |
| 10:58 |
truffles |
this is one pleasing to the eye resume for sure |
| 10:59 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform ok. considering the what/how debate as accepted foundation : at any time there's a number of turkeys and a number of engineers. |
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| 10:59 |
mircea_popescu |
increasing the engineer's pay does not increase the number of turkeys. |
| 10:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00098756 = 11.0113 BTC [+] |
| 10:59 |
mircea_popescu |
it does however stress the distribution of turkeys, if nothing else then because new price tags keep having to be printed. |
| 10:59 |
mircea_popescu |
tis all. |
| 11:00 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: they way i understood it, the sv folks aren't actually paying engineers in particular. they're paying the real estate industry to (inefficiently) house them. |
| 11:00 |
mircea_popescu |
a valid approach, yes. |
| 11:00 |
asciilifeform |
because they, for some odd reason, demand a ridiculous geographic concentration of engineers |
| 11:00 |
mircea_popescu |
efficiency is a COO not a CFO job. in other words, you don't reduce it financially |
| 11:00 |
mircea_popescu |
(you may at most increase it, but only somewhat) |
| 11:01 |
asciilifeform |
they might perhaps be better off 'vertically integrating' the housing bit |
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| 11:01 |
mircea_popescu |
s/efficiency/inefficiency |
| 11:01 |
mircea_popescu |
well that's where they're headed. |
| 11:01 |
asciilifeform |
like chinese dormitories. |
| 11:01 |
mircea_popescu |
yoiu have to consider the history : only very recently have tech companies become "Respectable" |
| 11:01 |
asciilifeform |
the most frustrating part is the folly of the engineers, who salivate after the '$300k sv job' |
| 11:01 |
mircea_popescu |
buffett still does not invest in them because, politely, "he doesn't understand them", but factually "not in his wot" |
| 11:02 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform why ? the 16 yo should salivate after the cock. |
| 11:02 |
asciilifeform |
as if the money is actually their own, and not simply put in their hands for a few minutes to salivate over. |
| 11:02 |
mircea_popescu |
what else in this world is there for her to salivate for ? |
| 11:02 |
mircea_popescu |
so anyway : only recently has tech become respectable, and as such it couldn't historically afford the huge bezzle-usd load of owning real estate outright. |
| 11:03 |
mircea_popescu |
it's getting there, and soon sv will be in fact chinese dormitory style. |
| 11:04 |
asciilifeform |
much of what the chumpers 'buying' houses in usa are paying for could be had for considerably smaller cost - e.g. physical security, caste isolation, etc. |
| 11:04 |
asciilifeform |
if it were vertically integrated |
| 11:04 |
asciilifeform |
as in 19th c. 'company town' |
| 11:05 |
mircea_popescu |
sure. to take things from yet another angle : you're familiar with greenspun's analysis of why women don't go into science. |
| 11:05 |
asciilifeform |
certainly. (i did link it here once) |
| 11:05 |
mircea_popescu |
the same shall soon apply to tech, we're witnessing a "professorisation" and "tenurisation" of tech. |
| 11:05 |
chetty |
asciilifeform, but but we must have diversity |
| 11:05 |
mircea_popescu |
soon it's going to cost you money to be "working for google" |
| 11:05 |
mircea_popescu |
for the same reason most girls with great fuck videos PAY to participate. |
| 11:05 |
mircea_popescu |
they can then use those on the stripper and prostitution circuits as extras "cause we're pornstars" |
| 11:06 |
mircea_popescu |
much in the manner hearn is using his "i was at google" thing. |
| 11:06 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: there's a kind of phase transition ahead, when it begins to cost more to 'work for google' than... it pays |
| 11:06 |
mircea_popescu |
which is the deep reason for the http://trilema.com/2013/youre-the-guy-who-wasnt-good-enough-to-sling-dope/ |
| 11:06 |
asciilifeform |
where is the fool supposed to unearth the difference |
| 11:07 |
mircea_popescu |
hopefully he has rich parents. |
| 11:07 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
| 11:07 |
mircea_popescu |
but if not, there's always credit. |
| 11:07 |
mircea_popescu |
you remember my story with the jewish money lender taking a painting and other payment in kind for debt ? |
| 11:07 |
asciilifeform |
oh yes |
| 11:08 |
mircea_popescu |
so : the bezzle fundamentally is born out of and exists for the following reason : |
| 11:08 |
mircea_popescu |
while your ability to pay is finite, you being finite, your ability to underwrite credit is not finite. |
| 11:08 |
mircea_popescu |
the difference between these two is, obviously... your painting. |
| 11:08 |
mircea_popescu |
there's a very good fundamental reason to extend credit you know will never be repaid. |
| 11:09 |
mircea_popescu |
i did it myself, and quite publicly at that. remember the patrick harnett case ? |
| 11:09 |
asciilifeform |
this is, arguably, the oldest form of credit? |
| 11:09 |
mircea_popescu |
his asshole was the point going in. |
| 11:09 |
mircea_popescu |
indeed. |
| 11:09 |
asciilifeform |
mr. dirt digger's horse dies. his neighbour lends him horse. 'now pay 1/4 of your crop, forever' |
| 11:10 |
BrockH |
MY HORSE!?! |
| 11:10 |
mircea_popescu |
now, when people such as me say the us agencies will have to learn to play ball or not exist, |
| 11:10 |
mircea_popescu |
people like me refer to a very specific thing. |
| 11:10 |
asciilifeform |
of course, there's a flip side to playing this game. eventually mr. dirt invents dekulakization. |
| 11:10 |
mircea_popescu |
the us has borrowed past what it can repay. |
| 11:11 |
mircea_popescu |
let me explain something about this dekulakization concept. |
| 11:12 |
mircea_popescu |
you familiar with buffett pretending taxes "at the top" aren't high enough, and with gates donating his fortune to "good causes" and so on ? |
| 11:12 |
asciilifeform |
technical term, i believe, is 'conspicuous benevolence' |
| 11:12 |
mircea_popescu |
not at all. |
| 11:12 |
mircea_popescu |
buffett structures the hell out of his deals to avoid taxation. |
| 11:12 |
asciilifeform |
game theoretically 'dishonest signal' |
| 11:13 |
mircea_popescu |
however, there exists a center of people who can't afford good tax shelters, and who could, if left undisturbed, come to one day challenge him. |
| 11:13 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 500 @ 0.00025793 = 0.129 BTC [+] {6} |
| 11:13 |
mircea_popescu |
see, the fact that i made the fu berkshire bet and the fact i pay about 2.85% a year on average are related. |
| 11:13 |
mircea_popescu |
i can accumulate. the average middle class guy in the chumpatron, can not. |
| 11:13 |
mircea_popescu |
buffett merely aims to keep it this way : high taxes means jack shit to him |
| 11:13 |
mircea_popescu |
other than "stansislav won't be the next buffett" |
| 11:13 |
mircea_popescu |
that he likes. |
| 11:13 |
asciilifeform |
lul |
| 11:14 |
mircea_popescu |
now, dekulakization is EXACTLY the same. |
| 11:14 |
mircea_popescu |
it doth not hurt the rich |
| 11:14 |
mircea_popescu |
it hurts the average who could in principle one day hurt the rich. |
| 11:14 |
mircea_popescu |
it's a middle pruning control strategy, the exact equiv of raising taxes "for social good" |
| 11:14 |
mircea_popescu |
sure, a tree with no middle one day collapses. but until such a day... |
| 11:15 |
asciilifeform |
can't see how anyone who ever so much as set foot in the u.s. could disagree here. |
| 11:15 |
mircea_popescu |
so that'd be that. |
| 11:15 |
jurov |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2014#604120 << dexX7 but i never got the same address from brainwallet as was actually used |
| 11:15 |
ozbot |
#bitcoin-assets log |
| 11:17 |
dexX7 |
hm let me test it |
| 11:17 |
mircea_popescu |
and this actually comes to the core of the ideological opposition here. i simply do not like this "no middle" burned ground crap. |
| 11:17 |
mircea_popescu |
first off who the fuck is threatened by smart young people ?! and second off... jesus fuck i've seen their lives and their dens, they're boring and dismal. |
| 11:17 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno who the fuck could bear to live there, that way. |
| 11:17 |
dexX7 |
jurov: works actually |
| 11:17 |
asciilifeform |
speaking of dekulakization: has anyone considered the 'partizans' hypothesis re: the dead JPM folks? |
| 11:17 |
bounce |
"hold on to what you got"-reflex? |
| 11:18 |
bounce |
it takes real guts to just let be in such a situation |
| 11:20 |
dexX7 |
jurov: in case you are looking for a general "get addr from msg+sig" you may take a look at: https://github.com/dexX7/mastercoin-faucet/blob/master/inc/verifymessage.php#L58 |
| 11:27 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.08299776 = 0.415 BTC [-] |
| 11:27 |
jurov |
ok if it works, ima find/make py equivalent |
| 11:28 |
topace |
punkman: no, you are not right. its widely known what my name is |
| 11:29 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.02849881 = 0.4275 BTC [+] {3} |
| 11:30 |
jurov |
anyway, it can be vastly improved, not just add blocktime but also start/end delimiter so copypaste failures can be spotted immediately |
| 11:33 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 850 @ 0.00025996 = 0.221 BTC [+] {2} |
| 11:34 |
dexX7 |
true. and especially with brainwallet.org there were significant problems |
| 11:34 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.048 = 0.144 BTC [-] {2} |
| 11:35 |
dexX7 |
http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/contact-and-credentials/ |
| 11:35 |
ozbot |
Contact and Credentials | Bingo Blog |
| 11:40 |
mircea_popescu |
a final curlique on the dekulakization topic. asciilifeform you familiar with how socrates died ? |
| 11:40 |
jurov |
BingoBoingo signed messages should be protected as much as possible from mucking by blogging software |
| 11:40 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov> anyway, it can be vastly improved, not just add blocktime but also start/end delimiter so copypaste failures can be spotted immediately <<< this, very much so. |
| 11:41 |
jurov |
if it can't do <verbatim> just add there .txt to download |
| 11:42 |
dexX7 |
yea, i'm not sure what the issue was, but brainwallet somehow had a problem with a special character in the message |
| 11:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6774 @ 0.00098775 = 6.691 BTC [+] {2} |
| 11:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3776 @ 0.00099003 = 3.7384 BTC [+] {2} |
| 11:46 |
bounce |
anything non-ascii is easily a problem. which is endless fun since various utf-8-ised s/w likes to insert fancy replacements for basic things like apostrophes that then get mangled in interesting ways in transit |
| 11:46 |
bounce |
s/since/even in english &/ |
| 11:47 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 450 @ 0.00026 = 0.117 BTC [+] |
| 11:50 |
dexX7 |
yea true. but you need to differentiate between the underlying "signing of some binary data" and an application on top which is used by humans. the later one would benefit from ascii only + some delimiter etc. |
| 11:51 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.054 = 0.108 BTC [-] |
| 11:52 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0075 = 0.225 BTC [+] |
| 11:53 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0349 = 0.1047 BTC [+] |
| 11:58 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: socrates - sure |
| 11:58 |
asciilifeform |
who isn't |
| 11:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.20765824 BTC to 5`373 shares, 41088 satoshi per share |
| 12:05 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.054 = 0.162 BTC [-] |
| 12:06 |
robwhiz22 |
Good afternoon. |
| 12:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00099036 = 13.1718 BTC [+] {3} |
| 12:15 |
keonne |
If this weren’t the case you’d have probably seen good numbers of fourteen year old pasty ass boys from Ohio and Connecticut running away from home to “become Cowboys!!!” only to end up the cum rag of some hobo or other. |
| 12:15 |
keonne |
i think i love you mircea_popescu mircea_popescu |
| 12:17 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.0056 = 0.2632 BTC [-] {4} |
| 12:17 |
keonne |
thats a very good piece (http://trilema.com/2013/youre-the-guy-who-wasnt-good-enough-to-sling-dope) |
| 12:18 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00550218 = 1.6507 BTC [-] {9} |
| 12:19 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.054 = 0.54 BTC [-] |
| 12:22 |
bounce |
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/04/chinas_bitcoin_exchanges_begin_pulling_down_the_shutters/ -- ``The FXBTC exchange has posted a notice saying that it received the instruction by telephone [...]'' just call up, say you're PBOC, and tell'em to shed customers. done! |
| 12:22 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform do tell. |
| 12:23 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: as described in 'dialogues' ? |
| 12:23 |
asciilifeform |
am i missing something? |
| 12:23 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno dood, as you know the story, tell it to me. |
| 12:23 |
mircea_popescu |
keonne :p |
| 12:24 |
asciilifeform |
'corrupting the youth', hemlock/exile, hemlock, 'give a chicken for asclepius for me', 'drink this & walk around a bit', croaks |
| 12:24 |
mircea_popescu |
you don't like telling stories do you ? |
| 12:25 |
asciilifeform |
damn i'm no good at this 'crib sheet' business |
| 12:25 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, yes, but an alternative retelling would be something like this : |
| 12:25 |
mircea_popescu |
socrates spent his life empowering the youth with the tools of the mind. once htey came of age that youth turned around and took over the city, ie, the world. |
| 12:26 |
mircea_popescu |
then they proceeded to implement their very own, context-adequate version of taxation/dekulakization : they ordered the citizenry to commit murders |
| 12:26 |
mircea_popescu |
so that nobody could safely extricate himself from their lot. |
| 12:26 |
mircea_popescu |
the outrage was eventually their undoing, they were banished, socrates was identified as the guilty party, one removed. |
| 12:26 |
mircea_popescu |
dekulakization is nothing novel. |
| 12:27 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03410999 = 0.3411 BTC [-] {3} |
| 12:28 |
keonne |
Your credits for paid content isn't counting down properly |
| 12:28 |
mircea_popescu |
in this perspective, socrates is rightfully indifferent to any hemlock. |
| 12:28 |
mircea_popescu |
keonne that's a very bad bug report. |
| 12:28 |
keonne |
but I purchased my 10000 credits anyway |
| 12:28 |
keonne |
yes it was, mostly because i wasnt aiming to file a bug, rather, alert you that you should fix your shit |
| 12:29 |
mircea_popescu |
... |
| 12:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10256 @ 0.00098614 = 10.1139 BTC [-] |
| 12:29 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news, your wife is cheating on you. |
| 12:29 |
keonne |
lol |
| 12:30 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.03360003 = 0.504 BTC [-] {3} |
| 12:30 |
keonne |
I appreciated that feedback though - as it is clear you arent trying to get as much out of me as you can to make your product better |
| 12:31 |
keonne |
i was pretty successful slinging dope anyway |
| 12:31 |
mircea_popescu |
lol no but seriously, what am i fixing and how's it broken. |
| 12:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4661 @ 0.00098415 = 4.5871 BTC [-] |
| 12:33 |
keonne |
okay - I've read more than 5 articles today, however the counter says I have four articles remaining. Now about my browser config, cookies are set to destruct after tab close and javascript doesn't run unless I authorize it |
| 12:33 |
mircea_popescu |
you get 5 free each week, and 4 extras permanently. |
| 12:33 |
robwhiz22 |
Hello, Mirceau. |
| 12:33 |
robwhiz22 |
You wrote me: "The best approach would be to join #bitcoin-assets on Freenode. Both me |
| 12:33 |
robwhiz22 |
and the chief engineer idle there." |
| 12:33 |
keonne |
Then my reading comprehension sucks |
| 12:33 |
keonne |
is what we learned |
| 12:33 |
mircea_popescu |
there's no javascript involved in any sense. |
| 12:33 |
robwhiz22 |
May I write to you on private message? |
| 12:33 |
mircea_popescu |
robwhiz22 please don't. |
| 12:34 |
keonne |
Im assuming ill have to whitelist trilema to not self destruct cookies to keep my credit session alive without having to log in every time |
| 12:34 |
mircea_popescu |
you wouldn't want either to rob yourself of the collective wisdom of this space, nor to rob the history of same of your valuable contributions |
| 12:34 |
mircea_popescu |
keonne that's entirely up to you :) |
| 12:35 |
keonne |
voila - thanks for quick processing |
| 12:35 |
keonne |
come on robwhiz22 i'm waiting in anticipation here |
| 12:35 |
mircea_popescu |
every customer either raped or satisfied within one hour. |
| 12:36 |
keonne |
hah |
| 12:37 |
robwhiz22 |
mircea_popescu, I submitted a specific, private, proposal to you last week. |
| 12:37 |
robwhiz22 |
mircea_popescu, and would appreciate a response to it. |
| 12:38 |
asciilifeform |
lol! |
| 12:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00098415 = 8.2177 BTC [-] |
| 12:50 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news, the commanding officer of the romanian special forum-extraditions-and-other-lulz unit invited me to his daughter's bar mitzvah unexpectedly. |
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| 12:50 |
mircea_popescu |
so catch y'all later |
| 12:51 |
keonne |
bat |
| 12:51 |
keonne |
bar for boys |
| 12:51 |
keonne |
have fun |
| 12:51 |
keonne |
lol |
| 12:55 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0331 = 0.1655 BTC [-] |
| 13:02 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2611 @ 0.00023732 = 0.6196 BTC [-] {9} |
| 13:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10863 @ 0.00098186 = 10.6659 BTC [-] {4} |
| 13:10 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.049 = 0.196 BTC [+] {2} |
| 13:24 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03251428 = 0.2276 BTC [-] {2} |
| 13:25 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1800 @ 0.00016491 = 0.2968 BTC [+] {5} |
| 13:25 |
benkay |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2014&bots=true#607772 ?? |
| 13:25 |
ozbot |
#bitcoin-assets log |
| 13:26 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 450 @ 0.00088843 = 0.3998 BTC [+] {3} |
| 13:29 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.00088843 = 0.2221 BTC [+] |
| 13:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5287 @ 0.00097926 = 5.1773 BTC [-] |
| 13:33 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.05 = 0.4 BTC [+] {2} |
| 13:35 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 700 @ 0.0002792 = 0.1954 BTC [+] {5} |
| 13:40 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03185 = 0.3185 BTC [-] {2} |
| 13:41 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0310625 = 0.2485 BTC [-] {3} |
| |
~ 24 minutes ~ |
| 14:05 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0305 = 0.122 BTC [-] |
| 14:06 |
jurov |
i'd say mp is trollin |
| 14:07 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.032 = 0.16 BTC [+] |
| 14:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00098415 = 12.1543 BTC [+] |
| 14:12 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.051 = 0.102 BTC [+] |
| 14:25 |
benkay |
reputation/publicity/money |
| 14:26 |
benkay |
oen cannot create money |
| 14:26 |
benkay |
one can only build a reputation over time |
| 14:26 |
chairman_meow |
!jd |
| 14:26 |
assbot |
Just-Dice stat: 15357 BTC profit, 32.0k BTC invested, 986.73 mio bets, 5.14 mio BTC wagered |
| 14:26 |
chairman_meow |
!help |
| 14:26 |
assbot |
List of commands: |
| 14:26 |
assbot |
!ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t} |
| 14:26 |
assbot |
!last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l} |
| 14:26 |
assbot |
!mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order) |
| 14:26 |
assbot |
!rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r} |
| 14:26 |
assbot |
!exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e} |
| 14:26 |
assbot |
!jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com) |
| 14:26 |
assbot |
!bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b} |
| 14:26 |
assbot |
!quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q} |
| 14:27 |
thestringpuller |
is benkay still here? |
| 14:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 37 @ 0.02755619 = 1.0196 BTC [-] {9} |
| 14:34 |
thestringpuller |
;;ticker |
| 14:34 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 457.74, Best ask: 460.46, Bid-ask spread: 2.72000, Last trade: 460.57, 24 hour volume: 6286.91152494, 24 hour low: 450.2, 24 hour high: 465.0, 24 hour vwap: 457.170183167 |
| 14:35 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-] |
| 14:37 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.049032 = 0.2452 BTC [-] {4} |
| 14:47 |
thestringpuller |
!ticker m s.mpoe |
| 14:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00096086 / 0.00097429 / 0.0009904 (493769 shares, 481.08 BTC), 7D: 0.00093355 / 0.00095284 / 0.0009904 (6446783 shares, 6,142.79 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00089172 / 0.0009904 (28076230 shares, 25,036.18 BTC) |
| 14:47 |
thestringpuller |
!ticker m s.bbet |
| 14:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00045 / 0.00049074 / 0.00059 (12152 shares, 5.96 BTC) |
| 14:49 |
thestringpuller |
;;calc 4248 * 0.00056000 |
| 14:49 |
gribble |
2.37888 |
| 14:50 |
thestringpuller |
;;calc 0.2 * 0.00056000 |
| 14:50 |
gribble |
0.000112 |
| 14:50 |
thestringpuller |
;;calc 0.2 / 0.00056000 |
| 14:50 |
gribble |
357.142857143 |
| 14:50 |
thestringpuller |
;;calc 0.5 / 0.00056000 |
| 14:50 |
gribble |
892.857142857 |
| 14:52 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00028681 = 0.2868 BTC [+] {2} |
| 15:01 |
thestringpuller |
;;calc 800 * 0.00000146 |
| 15:01 |
gribble |
0.001168 |
| 15:01 |
thestringpuller |
;;calc 2000 * 0.00000146 |
| 15:01 |
gribble |
0.00292 |
| 15:01 |
thestringpuller |
;;calc 5000 * 0.00000146 |
| 15:01 |
gribble |
0.0073 |
| 15:01 |
thestringpuller |
;;calc 6000 * 0.00000146 |
| 15:01 |
gribble |
0.00876 |
| 15:01 |
thestringpuller |
;;calc 10000 * 0.00000146 |
| 15:01 |
gribble |
0.0146 |
| 15:02 |
thestringpuller |
;;calc 20000 * 0.00000146 |
| 15:02 |
gribble |
0.0292 |
| 15:05 |
thestringpuller |
;;calc 172 / 1000000000 |
| 15:05 |
gribble |
1.72e-07 |
| 15:05 |
thestringpuller |
;;calc 0.000000172 |
| 15:05 |
gribble |
1.72e-07 |
| 15:06 |
thestringpuller |
;;calc 900 / 1000000000 |
| 15:06 |
gribble |
9e-07 |
| 15:07 |
thestringpuller |
;;calc 900 / 1000000000 |
| 15:07 |
gribble |
9e-07 |
| 15:07 |
thestringpuller |
;;calc 0.00000090 |
| 15:07 |
gribble |
9e-07 |
| 15:07 |
thestringpuller |
;;calc 68 / 1000000000 |
| 15:07 |
gribble |
6.8e-08 |
| 15:08 |
thestringpuller |
;;calc 0.00000034 * 50 |
| 15:08 |
gribble |
1.7e-05 |
| 15:08 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 42 @ 0.02649356 = 1.1127 BTC [-] {15} |
| 15:09 |
thestringpuller |
i totally thought this was pm with bot since it's so dead @_@ my bad ya'll |
| 15:09 |
benkay |
hey thestringpuller |
| 15:16 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04800003 = 0.144 BTC [+] {2} |
| 15:16 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 23 @ 0.02705216 = 0.6222 BTC [+] {4} |
| 15:16 |
thestringpuller |
hey benkay |
| 15:19 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 30 @ 0.02583002 = 0.7749 BTC [-] {3} |
| 15:21 |
benkay |
yo yo yo |
| 15:26 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 500 @ 0.00028681 = 0.1434 BTC [+] {2} |
| 15:27 |
mircea_popescu |
ahh that wasnt so bad. |
| 15:28 |
mircea_popescu |
keonne that was part of the joke see. |
| 15:30 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03121428 = 0.2185 BTC [+] {2} |
| 15:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00097916 = 4.5041 BTC [-] {2} |
| 15:33 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 342 @ 0.00088843 = 0.3038 BTC [+] |
| 15:33 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 615 @ 0.00016572 = 0.1019 BTC [-] |
| 15:33 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04720003 = 0.1416 BTC [-] |
| 15:33 |
chairman_meow |
!jd |
| 15:33 |
assbot |
Just-Dice stat: 15362 BTC profit, 32.0k BTC invested, 987.08 mio bets, 5.14 mio BTC wagered |
| 15:34 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03126 = 0.1876 BTC [+] |
| 15:34 |
chairman_meow |
what do you think of just-dice? |
| 15:35 |
thestringpuller |
better than satoshi dice lol |
| 15:37 |
mircea_popescu |
doog's okay, site's backed by a good idea, tracking under ev for a while and maybe slacking a little in volume lately. |
| 15:39 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3000 @ 0.00029137 = 0.8741 BTC [+] {5} |
| 15:39 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 182 @ 0.00088844 = 0.1617 BTC [+] |
| 15:40 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.04638333 = 0.2783 BTC [-] {5} |
| 15:40 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1761 @ 0.00016573 = 0.2919 BTC [+] |
| 15:40 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03131666 = 0.3758 BTC [+] {2} |
| 15:41 |
decimation |
mircea_popescu: dekulakization is nothing novel. << moldbug points out that FDR had the same motivations http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.ca/2010/03/true-election-practical-option-for-real.html |
| 15:41 |
decimation |
"Nor was FDR, as commonly asserted, a "traitor to his class" - anything but it. FDR's beliefs, or at least his speeches (in one so seldom praised for candor, the inference of any actual conviction is at best an exercise of imagination) can indeed be studied as almost perfect reflections of the intellectual fashions of America's apex upper class, the socialite-socialist aristocracy. These fashions have changed somewhat since 1933, but not that |
| 15:41 |
decimation |
much." |
| 15:43 |
mircea_popescu |
right. |
| 15:43 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 350 @ 0.0002998 = 0.1049 BTC [+] |
| 15:44 |
decimation |
one can sympathize with the impulse of the rich and powerful to keep the middle down, if only so that they are the only yacht-owners in the harbor |
| 15:44 |
bounce |
"'merkin crusty upper crust is crusty", or what? |
| 15:45 |
bounce |
shades of pterry's small gods. get unlimited power, spend it on garden gnomes. |
| 15:47 |
mircea_popescu |
i srsly dun see it. |
| 15:48 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16418 @ 0.00097883 = 16.0704 BTC [-] {2} |
| 15:48 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.05450001 = 0.4905 BTC [-] {2} |
| 15:49 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1364 @ 0.0002998 = 0.4089 BTC [+] |
| 15:49 |
bounce |
oh probably differen title, actualy. mort, I think. |
| 15:51 |
bounce |
it's a matter of attitude. why even bother spend any effort, money, whatever, on keeping the (not that uncultured part of the) plebs down? so many other things you could do with your wealth and power. what do you value? well, those values apparently aren't that highfalutin', after all. |
| 15:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00098057 = 8.3839 BTC [+] {2} |
| 15:53 |
bounce |
to some it's not merely necessary to win, but for others to lose. turn a non-zero-sum game into a zero-sum game, why don't you. |
| 15:54 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce that's only half of it. suppose you have a daughter. who's she to marry ? |
| 15:54 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0545 = 0.2725 BTC [-] |
| 15:54 |
mircea_popescu |
suppose your wife cheats. who's she gonna cheat with ? |
| 15:54 |
mircea_popescu |
suppose you wanna go fucking watch a ball game or actually, strike that |
| 15:55 |
thestringpuller |
jurov: deposits |
| 15:55 |
mircea_popescu |
suppose you'd rather do something else with your free time than having to write fucking books because everyone else is too retarded to write the books on their own and they just flock to the fucking gamew instead |
| 15:55 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.01242001 = 0.1242 BTC [-] {2} |
| 15:55 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1086 @ 0.000325 = 0.353 BTC [+] {3} |
| 15:55 |
bounce |
gamification ftw |
| 15:57 |
mircea_popescu |
i can't even begin to imagine anyone'd actually want to be stuck having to do everything by hand because well nobody else does because nobody else can because they fucked it all up. |
| 15:57 |
mircea_popescu |
sounds fucking aeschil-esque, this shit. |
| 15:57 |
thestringpuller |
the people who can't write books shouldn't write books... |
| 15:59 |
punkman |
aeschylesque? |
| 15:59 |
mircea_popescu |
yes. |
| 15:59 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, whenbever that idiocy breaks down you get a renaissance, it's uncanny. |
| 15:59 |
bounce |
what? you're rich and powerful. you could hire a competent writer, or ten, and only keep the best one or two books |
| 16:00 |
mircea_popescu |
people' fucking irrational fear of people being ironically the most notable obstacle for those same people. |
| 16:00 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce why should i hire them at all. why aren't they hiring me. |
| 16:04 |
bounce |
whatever you think important, eh. |
| 16:07 |
mircea_popescu |
no but did da pope hire da vinci or did da vinci hire the pope |
| 16:07 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.02010009 = 0.2412 BTC [-] |
| 16:08 |
decimation |
da vinci was in the pope's wot |
| 16:09 |
mircea_popescu |
partly because the pope was quite inefficient at either taxing or dekulakizing him out of existence. |
| 16:09 |
mircea_popescu |
i really should say "regulate" instead of "taxing" but anyway. |
| 16:10 |
mircea_popescu |
so suppose he were much more efficient at it. he had more money therefore. and now he could hire... condolezza rice. |
| 16:10 |
mircea_popescu |
to tell him about how "nobody could have drawn a rocket on the wall it just couldn't have been done" |
| 16:10 |
mircea_popescu |
derpyherp and tyvm. |
| 16:10 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.02010008 = 0.3015 BTC [-] {2} |
| 16:13 |
bounce |
what ties leo x to necessarily have an adversarial motivation towards da vinci? |
| 16:16 |
bounce |
though I don't think da vinci properly classifies as upper middle class in context |
| 16:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2315 @ 0.00098415 = 2.2783 BTC [+] |
| 16:26 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 33 @ 0.02707575 = 0.8935 BTC [-] {5} |
| 16:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7156 @ 0.00098695 = 7.0626 BTC [+] |
| 16:27 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.0259122 = 0.4923 BTC [-] {5} |
| 16:35 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0522985 = 0.7845 BTC [-] {4} |
| 16:36 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.00088844 = 0.2221 BTC [+] |
| 16:37 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 15000 @ 0.00030066 = 4.5099 BTC [-] {7} |
| 16:38 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.00039832 = 0.7966 BTC [-] {4} |
| 16:49 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 50 @ 0.01246506 = 0.6233 BTC [+] {4} |
| 16:55 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3913 @ 0.00016577 = 0.6487 BTC [-] {4} |
| 16:57 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.02010009 = 0.2412 BTC [+] |
| 16:58 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6574 @ 0.0001541 = 1.0131 BTC [-] {12} |
| 16:59 |
davout |
benkay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVKb3DwPFA8 his faces are almost as good as the music |
| 16:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3426 @ 0.00014351 = 0.4917 BTC [-] {5} |
| 17:00 |
benkay |
nice, ty |
| 17:01 |
benkay |
great video work too |
| 17:01 |
davout |
lol yea, some wtf angles :D |
| 17:06 |
benkay |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVKb3DwPFA8#t=369 |
| 17:07 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.02010009 = 0.2412 BTC [+] |
| 17:12 |
davout |
benkay: tokd you |
| 17:12 |
davout |
s/tokd/told/ |
| 17:23 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00098731 = 11.3541 BTC [+] {2} |
| 17:29 |
jurov |
thestringpuller aye |
| 17:40 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00037966 = 0.1898 BTC [-] {2} |
| 17:41 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00037801 = 0.189 BTC [-] |
| 17:42 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3455 @ 0.00034989 = 1.2089 BTC [+] {3} |
| 17:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00098562 = 16.5091 BTC [-] {3} |
| 17:54 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.000378 = 0.378 BTC [-] {2} |
| 17:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1623 @ 0.00014452 = 0.2346 BTC [+] {4} |
| 18:00 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.05238981 = 0.7858 BTC [+] {5} |
| 18:01 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0510899 = 0.5109 BTC [-] {2} |
| 18:02 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1545 @ 0.00039586 = 0.6116 BTC [+] {3} |
| 18:13 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.02011006 = 0.2413 BTC [+] |
| 18:14 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3500 @ 0.00044924 = 1.5723 BTC [+] {6} |
| 18:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00098385 = 8.0676 BTC [-] |
| 18:25 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1530 @ 0.00044999 = 0.6885 BTC [+] {2} |
| 18:35 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 382 @ 0.00033004 = 0.1261 BTC [-] {4} |
| 18:39 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2175 @ 0.00040013 = 0.8703 BTC [-] {5} |
| 18:41 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 350 @ 0.00038884 = 0.1361 BTC [-] {5} |
| 18:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00098853 = 10.5278 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
| 19:01 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 425 @ 0.00044952 = 0.191 BTC [+] {3} |
| 19:16 |
* |
chatquack yawns |
| 19:17 |
davout |
chatquack: this'll wake you up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fX4XGoVgX4 |
| 19:17 |
chatquack |
ooo I like it already |
| 19:18 |
chatquack |
Very ugly women though. |
| 19:20 |
chatquack |
http://i.imgur.com/PCeVu4E.png?1 |
| 19:22 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 317 @ 0.00040002 = 0.1268 BTC [-] |
| 19:24 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 400 @ 0.00040001 = 0.16 BTC [-] |
| 19:25 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 650 @ 0.00040001 = 0.26 BTC [-] |
| 19:26 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 5001 @ 0.0004 = 2.0004 BTC [-] {2} |
| 19:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 700 @ 0.0004 = 0.28 BTC [-] |
| 19:28 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.00098853 = 6.1783 BTC [+] |
| 19:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6545 @ 0.00099008 = 6.4801 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 16 minutes ~ |
| 19:53 |
Foshizz |
Can someone please explain why btc is dropping so much? |
| 19:54 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1597 @ 0.00014501 = 0.2316 BTC [-] {4} |
| 19:55 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.00088844 = 0.4442 BTC [+] |
| 19:57 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1551 @ 0.00043911 = 0.6811 BTC [+] {7} |
| 20:02 |
BingoBoingo |
;;ticker --market all |
| 20:02 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 457.63, vol: 5296.08506762 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 463.23, vol: 7809.90042 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 458.9899, vol: 3441.52850173 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 465.25, vol: 25.69458947 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 458.85, vol: 2396.79880000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 461.81827, vol: 5.1169521 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 461.79725496, vol: 65.65648564 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) |
| 20:02 |
BingoBoingo |
;;more |
| 20:02 |
gribble |
460.352078641 |
| 20:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43971 @ 0.00099083 = 43.5678 BTC [+] {6} |
| 20:19 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 373 @ 0.00037501 = 0.1399 BTC [+] {2} |
| 20:22 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03363332 = 0.4036 BTC [+] {5} |
| 20:22 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.04999999 = 0.3 BTC [+] {2} |
| |
~ 20 minutes ~ |
| 20:42 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1050 @ 0.00038737 = 0.4067 BTC [-] {3} |
| |
~ 1 hours 4 minutes ~ |
| 21:46 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03399999 = 0.17 BTC [+] |
| 21:46 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04999999 = 0.25 BTC [-] |
| 21:55 |
KRS-1 |
.bait |
| 21:55 |
ozbot |
http://24.media.tumblr.com/e691567bc77daf519f44f5cdd030da4b/tumblr_mt7ultz3IT1rr6uq1o1_1280.jpg |
| 21:57 |
B007 |
.bait |
| 21:57 |
ozbot |
http://37.media.tumblr.com/38b332533cf7b2d0f7158a684e36d16a/tumblr_msyv47ITUw1su77deo1_500.jpg |
| 21:57 |
B007 |
.bait |
| 21:57 |
B007 |
.bait |
| 21:57 |
B007 |
.bait |
| 21:57 |
B007 |
.bait |
| 21:57 |
ozbot |
http://24.media.tumblr.com/7c20d1f2601e236ed7fcf08c86225d30/tumblr_mt6a5oMJqQ1qzs5qao1_500.jpg |
| 21:58 |
B007 |
how's it going KRS-1 |
| 21:58 |
kakobrekla |
ill tell you how. spammy. |
| 21:58 |
B007 |
just a side of spam |
| 21:59 |
B007 |
my baits were hotter |
| 21:59 |
B007 |
er |
| 22:02 |
B007 |
http://newsbtc.com/2014/04/06/search-engine-duckduckgo-will-now-show-bitcoin-prices/ |
| 22:05 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-] |
| 22:05 |
MisterE |
I'm downloading GoT right NOW!!! |
| 22:06 |
B007 |
ok |
| 22:08 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03406666 = 0.2044 BTC [+] {4} |
| 22:17 |
cazalla |
MisterE: ty, forgot about that |
| 22:18 |
cazalla |
wife is off to mums group too so perfect timing |
| 22:18 |
MisterE |
nice!! |
| 22:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00099262 = 20.6465 BTC [+] |
| 22:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36395 @ 0.0009953 = 36.2239 BTC [+] {4} |
| 22:28 |
Mats_cd03 |
tonight's game of thrones spoiler: everybody dies |
| 22:29 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05580798 = 0.1116 BTC [-] |
| 22:29 |
Mats_cd03 |
(not really, don't cry) |
| 22:30 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 230 @ 0.00209747 = 0.4824 BTC [+] |
| 22:34 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.031589 = 0.2527 BTC [-] {2} |
| 22:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00099878 = 31.4616 BTC [+] {4} |
| 22:47 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 45 @ 0.00310647 = 0.1398 BTC [-] {7} |
| 22:50 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 861 @ 0.00087997 = 0.7577 BTC [-] {3} |
| 23:00 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.05581 = 0.7255 BTC [+] {2} |
| 23:01 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 18 @ 0.08299776 = 1.494 BTC [-] |
| 23:02 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 15 @ 0.0075 = 0.1125 BTC [+] |
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~ 29 minutes ~ |
| 23:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00100106 = 18.0691 BTC [+] {2} |
| 23:35 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.05321432 = 0.3725 BTC [-] {2} |
| 23:39 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05098995 = 0.153 BTC [+] {3} |
| 23:40 |
benkay |
mpoe above 0.001 |
| 23:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10093 @ 0.00100141 = 10.1072 BTC [+] |
| 23:45 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0513 = 0.1026 BTC [+] |
| 23:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22495 @ 0.00100202 = 22.5404 BTC [+] |