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00:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1100 @ 0.00063924 = 0.7032 BTC [+] {4}
01:01 asciilifeform kakobrekla, BingoBoingo: i remembered the american firm that made electrocranial something-or-others - 'alpha-stim.' but i never tried or even saw their gadget - and, a bit dubious, smells a little of spam.
01:02 asciilifeform but it does pop up once or twice in refereed journals, apparently.
01:03 * asciilifeform has an entire book shelf of ancient crapolade re: electrocranial diddlage from 1940s up, in 4 languages. all decaying xerocopies. ought to scan in one day...
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01:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5865 @ 0.00076844 = 4.5069 BTC [+]
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02:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.010639 = 0.532 BTC [-]
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02:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01063957 = 0.532 BTC [+] {4}
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03:19 RagnarDanneskjol http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/business-it/paypal-to-accept-payments-in-bitcoin-20140909-10emi7.html
03:25 cazalla meh, smh is a rag
03:25 cazalla "Bitcoin prices have swung between more than $US900 to as low as $US341 this year as enthusiasts try to address the digital currency's weaknesses, persuade consumers to embrace it and overcome governments' concerns that it could be misused by criminals. " ok lol
03:26 RagnarDanneskjol its the first I'd heard anything definitive about bitcoin-paypal
03:26 RagnarDanneskjol http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/industry-and-economy/banking/sbi-launches-multicurrency-international-card/article6390903.ece
03:26 assbot SBI launches multi-currency international card | Business Line
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04:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8923 @ 0.00076653 = 6.8397 BTC [-]
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04:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1150 @ 0.00061435 = 0.7065 BTC [-] {2}
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06:51 RagnarDanneskjol http://www.valuewalk.com/2014/09/currency-risk-equity-exposure/
06:51 assbot Don't Layer Currency Risk on Top of Equity Exposure
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07:12 fluffypony xmj: around?
07:12 xmj fluffypony: si
07:13 xmj fluffypony: How may I help you on this bright Wednesday ;)
07:13 fluffypony xmj: so oaes_lib uses ftime() like a retard, and we don't have spare contributors to rewrite the two places its used to rather use gettimeofday - is there anything particularly wrong with using -lcompat for the moment till we can see to that?
07:14 xmj that's c, or c++ ?
07:14 fluffypony also the original oaes_lib author seems to eschew modernising it, so we may dump it completely at some stage rather than bother
07:14 fluffypony C
07:14 xmj hrm, i'm not a c dev
07:14 xmj if you're interested in having that question answered from a BSD perspective, you could try #bsdports on efnet
07:14 fluffypony kk
07:15 xmj there's plenty of people who could answer it
07:15 xmj what's oaeslib do?
07:15 fluffypony open aes
07:16 fluffypony code.google.com/p/openaes/
07:18 xmj hum
07:18 xmj that's not AES-Ni is it?
07:18 fluffypony no
07:18 xmj hang on..
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07:47 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: Oh, apparently the brain electricity stuff for sleep et al is being commercialized << well of course, everything's being commercialised, from cow piss (redbull) to an app to prove you're rich. dun really much matter if it works, as long as someone somewhere thought of it, it's available to buy.
07:47 mircea_popescu gotta keep teh economy out.
07:47 mircea_popescu i mean up
07:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: re: 100hz - i do lean towards the soviet hypothesis that at least a third of the sleep cycle is a vestigial waste of time. <<< why ?
07:48 xmj BingoBoingo: brain electricity sleep stuff is prone to commercial failure, see Zeo.
07:48 mircea_popescu to me all this "let's improve sleep" stuff reads a lot like "this cnc control code would be a lot better if we took out all sleep() references"
07:48 xmj BingoBoingo: you can *technically* exist on 2h of pure REM sleep a day.
07:49 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud: So shock therapy is old? << just about contemporaneous with electricity itself.
07:49 xmj I know people who have done so for long(er) stretches of times
07:49 xmj fluffypony: I got confused. aren't AES routines implemented by libcrypto?
07:50 fluffypony xmj: afair this is used in the PoW, so it uses openaes for speed
07:51 xmj PoW?
07:51 mircea_popescu fluffypony afaik lcompat just does a gettimeofday clal anyway
07:51 mircea_popescu xmj proof of work eh.
07:51 xmj gotcha
07:52 fluffypony mircea_popescu: yes exactly
07:52 fluffypony lcompat seems to be working fine
07:52 xmj fluffypony: thing being, iff it uses AES AND iff AES needs to be fast, you'll want to look into crypto(4) and aesni(4)
07:52 fluffypony but going to actually rip this out and rewrite it to use gettimeofday on bsd
07:52 mircea_popescu i wouldn't expect any problems. in fact it's probably better reviewed code than w/e it's been replaced with anyway.
07:52 * xmj still waits for OpenSSL to be replaced with LibreSSL on FreeBSD
07:54 mircea_popescu other than proper cryptography for all foss, as discussed coupla days re gentoo overlays etc, i would fucking love for all lines of code to come with a counter.
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07:54 mircea_popescu "how many times this was read. increment by hand"
07:54 mircea_popescu as a v0.1. then for v0.2 of this, have an actual crypto signed procedure where everyone who reads a line of code signs and it's wot-abble this.
07:55 mircea_popescu that's what github'd be doing, if it weren't wasting its time with imbecile females vying for attention the only way imbecile females know how.
07:57 mircea_popescu anyone want to make a fork of git and implement all this ?
08:08 RagnarDanneskjol yes
08:10 xmj mircea_popescu: do feel free to put your money where your mouth is.
08:10 xmj i'm sure you'll find lots of people who love paying for this
08:11 mircea_popescu xmj what exactly makes you think my money isn't where my mouth is, nooblet ?
08:12 xmj oh here we go again
08:12 xmj /ignore -replies mircea_popescu
08:12 mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol ima wait for delivery on that other thing first, and i have a queue there anyway.
08:12 xmj better.
08:12 mircea_popescu ie, i'll need another bot after that one
08:13 RagnarDanneskjol He and Alz had a long convo about it a few hours ago.. also put him in touch with chetty - discussed gribble for eulora
08:14 mircea_popescu gribble for eulora ? wut ?
08:14 RagnarDanneskjol he is going to deliver way ahead of schedule I believe
08:14 chetty mircea_popescu, said there should be a gribble npc ...
08:15 mircea_popescu o, in the monthly report ?
08:15 mircea_popescu i read "gribble for #eulora" for some reason.
08:16 RagnarDanneskjol oh - that too
08:16 mircea_popescu lol this guy. hey RagnarDanneskjol is there something you won't try to do ? :D
08:16 RagnarDanneskjol no homo
08:16 mircea_popescu you coming for the $conference incidentally ?
08:17 RagnarDanneskjol which?
08:17 mircea_popescu $conference
08:17 empyex mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 7 months and 7 days. Estimated cost today: 2.76775979 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )
08:19 RagnarDanneskjol sure, sounds fun. I missed that
08:20 mircea_popescu that's why that bot command is so handy. easy to miss things in the deluge.
08:20 mircea_popescu i think fluffypony was going to charter a plane or i dun remember how that went.
08:21 RagnarDanneskjol nice. so are you staying in BA for the forseeable future (not that its any my business)
08:21 fluffypony we haven't really pursued that idea, the nice charters are very expensive per-person even if we fill the plane
08:21 mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol yeah. fluffypony i imagined :p
08:27 mircea_popescu o hey, there's something for xmj https://bitcointa.lk/threads/popescud-need-not-be-a-verb-nor-a-discussion-all-say-aye-say-aye-aye.286274/
08:27 assbot Popescu'd need not be a verb nor a discussion. All say aye.., say AYE!, "AYE!" | Bitcointa.lk
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08:44 mircea_popescu http://33.media.tumblr.com/16f4a23c3513a7073668fff76fe5d882/tumblr_n5nl0rB2mf1sc74vfo1_500.jpg << talking about teh human condition...
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09:16 mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/OCvuUxX.gif
09:17 nubbins` so i've got these two new roomies
09:17 nubbins` one of 'em just got a job at canada's top restaurant, which is, conveniently, just a short tumble down the hill from here
09:17 nubbins` current plan is to injure his legs and confine him to the kitchen here
09:18 xmj solid plan
09:18 xmj nubbins`: alternatively you could -ask- them
09:18 nubbins` oh he's already said he's gonna recreate some menu items for us
09:18 nubbins` i just want to seal the deal
09:18 nubbins` related: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/food-and-wine/food-trends/jeremy-charles-canadas-real-top-chef/article20495580/
09:18 assbot Jeremy Charles: Canadas real top chef - The Globe and Mail
09:18 cazalla https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/509458562167226368 this cunt is coming to australia
09:18 assbot My November speaking tour is coming together: LA, Sydney, Melbourne, Auckland, Queenstown
09:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform "computer monitor of better than 600 x 300 pixels resolution." pandering to the new ega displays i see ? :D
09:20 nubbins` ^ lel
09:20 mircea_popescu you wanna seal the deal by breaking a guy's legs ?
09:20 mircea_popescu jesus canucks are tought.
09:20 nubbins` i'd like a gribble module that polls alf's output for interesting short stories
09:20 nubbins` mircea_popescu the climate made us this way
09:21 mircea_popescu no wonder all the eskimos are gone with only some scroungy inuit left
09:21 nubbins` it's only with the advent of higher temperatures that we've mellowed. 10 years ago i woulda had the guy surgically attached to the kitchen counter
09:21 mircea_popescu YOU FUCKEM ATE THEM DIDNT YOU
09:21 nubbins` heh
09:22 mircea_popescu cazalla lol speaking tours. this is roughly the equivalent of the plague, don't envy a man his misery.
09:22 nubbins` besides, the aboriginal people in this province are generally innu; you'd have to go a lot farther for inuit
09:22 mircea_popescu you mean Two Dogs isn't originally populated by dogs ?
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09:23 nubbins` in fact, both were bred from an animal called the St. John's Water Dog
09:24 nubbins` itself, a mixture of portuguese, english, and irish working dogs
09:24 nubbins` why in the fuck do i know all this?
09:24 mircea_popescu because you're canadian, and that makes you weird ? :D
09:24 nubbins` heh.
09:24 nubbins` golden retrievers come from this same stock
09:25 mircea_popescu anyway, one wonders what happens when a coupla gals working canada's best whorehouse move in with nubsy.
09:25 nubbins` almost all modern retrievers, in fact
09:25 nubbins` mp: "in fact, the clitoris is located above the vulva, not below"
09:25 mircea_popescu surgically attached to toilet bowl, shower curtain or bedstand ?
09:25 nubbins` toilet bowl, wtf?
09:25 nubbins` "this one just shits"
09:26 mircea_popescu "here i shit, here i piss, here i come"
09:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform anyway, the fundamnetal idea is sound. if one could weaponize idiocy at will one wouldn't need any further wishes from the djinn.
09:30 nubbins` i feel like there's loot to be made with one of those bitcoin ATMs here, but i also feel like i can't be fucked to manage an ATM
09:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform anyway, the close is flawed. the mind can not on its own recreate the damagingly illogical. this is pretty much the largest most important safety we have.
09:35 mircea_popescu it's a biological protection on the level of "dead by holding his own breath", except implemented in nature rather than in the body.
09:41 nubbins` ah, in the normal run of events, sure.
09:41 nubbins` go visit a bughouse and tell me none of those people recreated the damagingly illogical :D
09:42 mircea_popescu nubbins` http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/blit.htm
09:42 assbot BLIT - a short story by David Langford
09:42 mircea_popescu it's a sf story about how the exposure to fractals make brains pop.
09:42 nubbins` (i know a guy who claims he's had a cube stuck inside his brain for ~17 years. he declines to elaborate)
09:42 nubbins` yah, i read that last night
09:42 nubbins` good one
09:43 nubbins` snow crash, same idea but novel-length and w/ language rather than sight
09:43 nubbins` and, inexplicably, an adult male having sex with a female child
09:45 mircea_popescu sf is period code for weirdo
09:45 mircea_popescu much like queer used to be code for weirdo
09:46 mircea_popescu so for some inexplainable reason 93% of all the comment spam sent to trilema has to do with bags
09:46 mircea_popescu ie, women's handbags.
09:46 mircea_popescu wtf.
09:46 nubbins` sci-fi eye on the straight guy
09:47 ThickAsThieves <+mircea_popescu> it's a sf story about how the exposure to fractals make brains pop. /// a couple weeks ago i was charting for hours on end, using fib spirals and picking apart fractal patterns, and this repeating melody started in my head, not a song i knew, just a sequence. It was there for a day or two. First time I was musically inspired in a while.
09:47 mircea_popescu not bad.
09:48 mircea_popescu im curious who's gonna be the first b-a alumn to become famous in an unrelated field.
09:49 mircea_popescu (i also have a bet with some unfriendly parties as to whether that film' gonna be criminal insanity or not, but that's a different story)
09:49 mircea_popescu s/film/first/
09:49 ThickAsThieves bitcoin has nasty habit of consuming "unrelated fields"
09:50 nubbins` http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/U33LTcjZhGN/MTV+TRL+Presents+Jonas+Brothers+T+Lady+GaGa/1zXNO2Hhne-/John+Keefe
09:50 assbot John Keefe Pictures - MTV TRL Presents The Jonas Brothers, T.I., Lady GaGa and Boys Like Girls - Zimbio
09:50 nubbins` that douche on the left has essentially the same name as me
09:50 nubbins` closest i've gotten to fame so far
09:51 nubbins` infamy, i'm already there. but fame? different story
09:56 nubbins` [11:25:53] samO__ (6d5dedf1@unaffiliated/samo) left IRC. (Changing host)
09:56 nubbins` [11:25:53] samO__ (6d5dedf1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.93.237.241) joined the channel.
09:56 nubbins` mask on a web client?
09:58 mircea_popescu infamy ? how are you infamous ?
09:59 mircea_popescu and yes, you can login with nameserv from a webirc session as well as from any other session
10:07 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: vestigial waste of time. <<< why <<<< if you pharmacologically zap stages 3 and 4 of sleep - eventually death. stages 1 and 2 are spandrels. they're, as far as anybody knows, worthless - if you sleep only 1 and 2, approx. same as not sleeping at all. but our meat is not equipped for skipping straight to 3 normally.
10:07 mircea_popescu define worthless.
10:07 mircea_popescu what's your measure of worth ?
10:07 asciilifeform waste of time.
10:07 asciilifeform ;;google evolutionary spandrel
10:07 gribble Spandrel (biology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spandrel_(biology)>; Evolution The Spandrels of San Marco and the Panglossian ...: <http://faculty.washington.edu/lynnhank/GouldLewontin.pdf>; Adaptations, Exaptations, and Spandrels - Social Sciences Division: <http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/comm/haselton/webdocs/spandrels.html>
10:07 mircea_popescu you know that's no good do you ?
10:08 asciilifeform not that 'stage 1+2 is a spandrel' is a proven hypothesis, of course. merely that it has not been tested. i suspect that it can be proven.
10:09 mircea_popescu but even if it were, that's still not enough for what you're arguing.
10:10 asciilifeform if it were, that's still not enough << ??
10:10 mircea_popescu it isn't. you're saying it's "a waste of time", a spandrel merely means "not directly resulting from selection"
10:10 mircea_popescu these aren't the same strength.
10:10 asciilifeform aha
10:10 mircea_popescu take the case of the heart.
10:10 asciilifeform perhaps spandrel is wrong word.
10:11 mircea_popescu the heart is a well designed pump, that works very well in its own engineering envelope.
10:11 mircea_popescu people who use it outside of that envelope, such as for instance habitual stimulant abusers, stock brokers and other such "high stress" occupations usually die of heart failure.
10:11 mircea_popescu the reason for this is that the heart can't do too many regime change cycles a day
10:12 mircea_popescu now, having a period of time where it can relax and clean up may be exactly what it needs. even if this is enforced by cnc paralysis rather than another venue
10:12 asciilifeform sure.
10:12 mircea_popescu the human body being a final case of "the protocol is the code". it works like we've discussed, as this insane collection of things repaired by malfunction in unassociated things
10:12 asciilifeform hence stages 3, 4.
10:12 mircea_popescu there were some renaissance mechanical models for this.
10:13 thestringpuller ;;later tell BingoBoingo good luck my friend
10:13 gribble The operation succeeded.
10:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform note that for me to disprove your stance, all i need is an example of possible failure, which i've satisfied. for you to support your stance giving a counterexample is not enough.
10:14 asciilifeform hypothesis here is that stages 1 and 2 are 'runway'
10:14 mircea_popescu i read the hypothesis here as "stages 1 and 2 can be safely removed"
10:14 asciilifeform test would be - some means of reliably rocketing through them straight to 3 on demand.
10:15 asciilifeform (and staying in 3+4 without the normal gaps of 1,2)
10:15 mircea_popescu only problem with that test is you won't be able to distinguish the source of any side effects - from the rocketing or from the rocket.
10:15 asciilifeform certainly.
10:15 thestringpuller walking into bitcoin-assets becomes more like walking into a random lecutre hall at a good university...
10:15 mircea_popescu but anyway. i don't expect improvement here.
10:15 thestringpuller and this is just "normal" conversation
10:15 * mircea_popescu waves at thestringpuller
10:16 asciilifeform just as the example you gave, of stimulant abusers - most of the documented medical sequelae, afaik, are from extreme sleep deprivation...
10:16 mircea_popescu well, they removed 1 and 2 did they not.
10:16 * thestringpuller salutes mircea_popescu and asciilifeform *good day sirs*
10:16 asciilifeform and 3, 4, and they won't even lie down
10:16 asciilifeform yes.
10:16 mircea_popescu rocket and rocketing again :)
10:17 mircea_popescu but at this point, we suddenly face the danger of falling into nominalism. consider a pill that zaps 1&2 so you can 3-4 only, withj the caveat that to be used safe over a century, you have to lie down for two to three hours each day and relax independently of sleep.
10:17 mircea_popescu well... so what does the pill do again ? allows you to rename things ? i can do that w/o pills :D
10:18 asciilifeform well, for one thing you could 'sleep' when not palpably weary
10:18 mircea_popescu i can do that now.
10:18 asciilifeform like housecat
10:18 asciilifeform (some people already know how to do this, yes.)
10:18 mircea_popescu theres really nothing to know, you just... lie down and sleep
10:19 asciilifeform then perhaps mutants.
10:19 * asciilifeform cannot do this unless chronically deprived of sleep
10:19 mircea_popescu !up chalbersma
10:19 mircea_popescu i think the more likely producitve approach is psychologic tho
10:20 mircea_popescu can you normally tell what's wrong with you, if something's wrong, and what food item was the cause, if you're sick ?
10:20 mircea_popescu nubbins` http://www.reddit.com/r/shutupandtakemymoney/comments/2g099b/what_is_bitcoin_silkscreened_posters_150_left/
10:20 assbot "What is Bitcoin?" silkscreened posters [1/50 left] : shutupandtakemymoney
10:21 nubbins` ha
10:21 nubbins` an honor, i'm sure
10:21 asciilifeform i'd say yes
10:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so then just lie down with yourself and relax, it's doable.
10:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: takes an hour or to to even begin to switch gears, and that's if tired.
10:21 mircea_popescu why ?
10:22 nubbins` oh, it links to the ink-mixing post
10:22 * asciilifeform precisely wishes to know why
10:22 nubbins` i thought this was some sort of sarcastic butthurt style reddit
10:23 nubbins` now i'm just confused
10:23 ThickAsThieves skip to 3&4 with 5 shots of vodka
10:23 asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: opposite effect, there.
10:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform say, take the pet, go to yoga class.
10:23 mircea_popescu on one hand, chicks in yoga pants!
10:23 mircea_popescu on the other hand, relaxation is an important skill.
10:23 ThickAsThieves but but vodka makes you live longer
10:24 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i dun sell gherkins to gardners and vodka to russians.
10:26 chetty mircea_popescu, has these insane instant change mode switches .... he really don't understand how the rest of us live
10:26 * asciilifeform doesn't know the secret of the hypothetical, legendary 'motorized sleep.' but suspects that, just as eight cylinder engine is an improvement over the most skilled runner, there could be a means for improvement here.
10:27 ThickAsThieves maybe we need to go on life support when we sleep
10:27 asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: question'd be, which sort.
10:28 mircea_popescu i don't think sleep improvement is impossible per se. but i do think what's herein contemplated is of the level of improving cpu caching with drills, lathes and other mechanical tools.
10:28 asciilifeform lol!
10:28 mircea_popescu even if it works it hasn't worked.
10:28 ThickAsThieves maybe humans have a built in hibernation function we dont know how to work yet
10:29 mircea_popescu or maybe sleep is a very high level cognitive function, and humanity still struggles with logic.
10:29 ThickAsThieves maybe we're always sleeping
10:29 * asciilifeform has wild, '9000%' variation in sleep quality from day to day, since childhood, and would be satisfied with knowing why and having knobs for it.
10:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you got the stomach for some mysticism ?
10:29 asciilifeform sure
10:29 mircea_popescu you know anything about the pashtun ?
10:29 asciilifeform quite a bit.
10:30 mircea_popescu suppose there's a well respected, honorful general of this one tribe
10:30 mircea_popescu he lives in a hut, like all the others, rural pashtun.
10:30 mircea_popescu suppose "good sleep" is being in his tent.
10:30 mircea_popescu suppose the normal introduction so you may be allowed there takes a coupla hours, going through all the complicated pashtun honor ceremonies.
10:30 * asciilifeform sees where this is going
10:30 mircea_popescu suppose shady gringo in the kabul market offers to sell you a dust which, if sparkled around, will teleport you straight into tent, no further need for "Wasting time"
10:31 mircea_popescu how much ?
10:31 asciilifeform lol
10:31 asciilifeform !s bathtub catapult
10:31 assbot 1 results for 'bathtub catapult' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bathtub+catapult
10:31 mircea_popescu HOW you get there may be as important as how much time you spend, neh ?
10:31 mircea_popescu after all, ninjashogun spent some time here too.
10:31 mircea_popescu he HAS that catapult.
10:31 mircea_popescu what's it do for him ?
10:32 mircea_popescu plenty of people work up the nerve to speak over hours. plenty more probably haven't yet. so ?
10:32 ThickAsThieves who wants to spend their waking ours managing their sleeping ones
10:32 ThickAsThieves hours*
10:32 asciilifeform good analogy, except that, with correct plans, it is possible to survive the bathtub catapult (parachute exists.)
10:32 The20YearIRCloud Closed on the loan today, joy
10:33 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you ever met that blessed folk that will spent sixteen hours a day working to "make money while they sleep", 5 dolla an hour ?
10:33 asciilifeform sixteen hours a day working to "make money while they sleep" >> they're struggling for escape from arbeit macht frei.
10:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform maybe mere survival ain't the goal.
10:34 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud how much did you get in the end ?
10:34 The20YearIRCloud 100k
10:34 mircea_popescu not bad.
10:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform escape < they still get paid in paypal. what escape. incape.
10:34 asciilifeform didn't say - successful escape. attempted.
10:34 The20YearIRCloud It's a fixed rate credit line, which is nice as we can go out, buy properties, refinance said properties, then just continue to buy more
10:34 asciilifeform a few bullets from the guard towers lodged in arse.
10:35 ThickAsThieves i wonder if people who only sleep 3-5 hrs a day, live more or less waking hours than those sleeping 8+
10:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform but the premise is flawed. they're trying to escape... into da's office ?
10:35 asciilifeform likewise, paid in scrip, but never need to wake up / go places / take orders - still a kind of escape.
10:35 mircea_popescu i guess.
10:35 * rithm hugs scrip
10:35 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves chetty used to sleep 4ish hours for many years.
10:36 mircea_popescu i suspect this is a lot easier for women
10:36 ThickAsThieves i rarely sleep more than 5 for a long time
10:36 asciilifeform ah and that's another tidbit - some people need considerably less, for firing on all cylinders, than others. find out why. if can replicate - win.
10:36 ThickAsThieves i do get tired though
10:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform some people are fucking dumb. others - not so. find out why, avoid, win.
10:36 mircea_popescu wtf are you on about lol :D
10:37 asciilifeform picture hypothetical - what if actually needing 8+ hours is something like 'beriberi'
10:37 mircea_popescu if you're going for this why not make smart pill directly, why bother with sleep pill.
10:37 ThickAsThieves i think eating frequency is a factor as well, metabolism
10:37 asciilifeform what if we just aren't eating enough $rareearth
10:38 mircea_popescu what if, ok. but i dun believe that has a leg to stand on.
10:38 mircea_popescu sleep is very similar, and in fact one of the better arguments pro homogenity in the human race
10:38 * asciilifeform does not even remotely know the answer to this one, but can't rule out a beriberi-like gotcha
10:38 mircea_popescu the fact that all cultures had beds, and the fact that all cultures could go to bed with any others.
10:38 mircea_popescu that exists in all climes ?
10:38 mircea_popescu what WOULD you take to rule it out ?
10:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 400 @ 0.00488188 = 1.9528 BTC [+] {4}
10:40 asciilifeform what would it take << beautiful question. let's say we find that chetty has, e.g., more efficient mitochondriae, that eat and shit less for given level of activity. and therefore require less cleanup. then we say 'can't fix this with aftermarket patch.'
10:41 mircea_popescu how are you going to fix mother dna outside of eugeny ?
10:41 asciilifeform that was example of 'can't'
10:41 mircea_popescu (yes, that's how that "extra" dna from the mother side works - mitochondria has its own dna set)
10:41 asciilifeform alternatively, scenario where there is a fix. some folks feel that they would profit from being - taller. in russia, they can fix this.
10:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ah i read "can fix"
10:41 asciilifeform (illegal in usa, afaik.)
10:41 mircea_popescu lol how do they fix it ? suspension ?
10:42 mircea_popescu procust's bed ?
10:42 asciilifeform surgeon breaks both of your legs with a clever little instrument; sets them in such a way that they grow 10cm or so at a time - longer.
10:42 asciilifeform a year+ in wheelchair.
10:42 mircea_popescu i had no idea.
10:42 mircea_popescu shitty trade tho. i wouldn't spend a year in wheelchair for an extra four inches
10:43 asciilifeform matters more for one man than another
10:43 asciilifeform used to be, folks would travel there for this op, just like others went to thailand for 'sex change' etc
10:43 ThickAsThieves like Gattaca
10:43 mircea_popescu im almost tempted by your theory. "you can sleep better if you never have sex again. here's the pill"
10:43 chetty ooo GATTICA
10:43 ThickAsThieves ever seen than movie?
10:43 asciilifeform dulap!
10:43 asciilifeform schlick.
10:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah, the pill just makes you uber horny.
10:44 ThickAsThieves mp you should watch it
10:44 mircea_popescu i think i have.
10:44 ThickAsThieves word
10:44 * asciilifeform saw, not impressed
10:44 mircea_popescu isn't it some derpy "kid wants to be fighter jet pilot, cock not big enough, o lala la drama" story ?
10:44 ThickAsThieves well, the goal is to be entertained, not impressed per se :)
10:44 chetty well it did have application for longer legs
10:45 * asciilifeform pictures a jet actually piloted using cock
10:45 ThickAsThieves cock must be this big to ride
10:45 mircea_popescu anyway, the us-agitprop makes me chaf. "o noes, you can do anything, retards are people too, form a circle let's hold hands"
10:45 mircea_popescu meh. not my kettle.
10:45 asciilifeform the way, some say, stephen hawking drives his wheelchair with arse muscle joystick
10:45 ThickAsThieves good tshirt for a porn actress
10:45 mircea_popescu ^ prolly done to death.
10:47 asciilifeform form a circle let's hold hands << in old science fiction, it'd have been 'cripple builds cybernetic mega-coc, proceeds to kill worlds'
10:49 The20YearIRCloud I found a few singlewide trailers for our company
10:49 The20YearIRCloud we're looking at two different lots that have them, i'm pretty darn excited, it all gets me one step closer to being the slumlord I desire
10:50 asciilifeform wait - people rent these?
10:51 * asciilifeform thought trailer was for 'owning home' when you only have a few thousand usd in pocket
10:52 chetty asciilifeform, no need for that anymore, mortages grow on gubermint trees
10:52 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud trailers ?!
10:54 The20YearIRCloud Yeah
10:54 The20YearIRCloud I've got a pretty good concept of what i want to do, just need a municipality where I can do it legally
10:55 ThickAsThieves i rented a trailer when i first moced to fl
10:55 ThickAsThieves moved*
10:55 mircea_popescu so what is that, the ohio happy brothel ?
10:55 asciilifeform mortages grow on gubermint trees << more complicated than this. no houses in the usual sense, near what remains of civilization in usa, are permitted to cost less than mid six digit.
10:55 The20YearIRCloud But the premise is to take crappy trailers, and have my guys refurbish them in a way that they'd be superior to most conventionally built houses with regards to energy, and then rent em out for median pricing
10:55 mircea_popescu what's the floor surface of a trailer ? 200sq ft ?
10:55 rithm closer to 1000
10:55 rithm 750
10:55 mircea_popescu that big ?
10:56 * asciilifeform would happily live in a refrigerator truck, or a partizan dugout, or similar, if it didn't come with being corralled into a ghetto of similar wretches
10:56 rithm depends on single or double
10:56 mircea_popescu why not just buy shipping containers then. not so expensive, can be stacked...
10:56 mircea_popescu rithm he just said double
10:56 The20YearIRCloud ones i'm looking at are 900-1000
10:56 mircea_popescu shit. he just said single.
10:56 The20YearIRCloud Not legal in my area to use a shipping container
10:56 rithm shipping container buried the side of a hill sounds lovely to me
10:56 asciilifeform Not legal in my area to use a shipping container << perhaps you can guess why.
10:56 mircea_popescu cauze it'd be cheaper and more efficient ?
10:56 The20YearIRCloud At least, a trailer lives up to code when it was built, and it isn't illegal to use one that's old as dirt
10:56 rithm mircea_popescu i totally do not follow the chat and just jump in randomly as if i knew what were going on
10:57 asciilifeform for the same reason buckminster fuller's injection-molded plastic house was banned.
10:57 nubbins` ^
10:57 asciilifeform real estate parasite scum live, breathe, to keep housing costly.
10:57 The20YearIRCloud Zoning is quite slow
10:57 The20YearIRCloud We're just catching on to doing steel skinned, soy insullated houses
10:57 nubbins` wait, i thought it was unions that did his house-pod things in
10:57 The20YearIRCloud the fiberglass people a pretty crazy when it comes to supressing new types of insullation
10:57 nubbins` Big Glass
10:58 mircea_popescu lol
10:58 mircea_popescu fiberglass isn't that bad, but it's fucking toxyc.
10:58 The20YearIRCloud There's this one type of soy insullation we want, it's 4x more efficient per cubic meter than anything fiberglass has to offer, and some municipalities still don't allow
10:58 nubbins` BIG GLASS IS IN THE TREES
10:58 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud how do you keep the wevils out ?
10:58 * nubbins` swivels wildly about
10:58 asciilifeform big glass << laugh all you like, 'corning co.' is one of the few remaining mega-industrial giants in usa
10:59 asciilifeform fiberglass toxic << yes
10:59 * asciilifeform has workshop in a very large garden shed, that came with current rental. itches every time coming out of it.
10:59 mircea_popescu asciilifeform partizan dugout may be pretty cool.
10:59 mircea_popescu i hear all the truant tattooed teenagers swarm there
11:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it'd be great, but would have to be deep in a forest, secret, with a stump for a chimney - just like during the war. because living in something that isn't a house is highly illegal in usa (unless part of a designated ghettoschwitz)
11:01 mircea_popescu and it gotta be in usa ?
11:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall a story of yours, about a chum who went to usa and left in disgust, when he was not permitted to build other than a cardboard house.
11:02 mircea_popescu well yeah. was a bunch o people, they got building permit and proceeded to built like at home. concrete pillars, brick walls etc.
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11:03 The20YearIRCloud alot of it depends on municipality
11:03 The20YearIRCloud there's areas where I live that they don't care what you put up or what you live in (Sheds included), but those aren't areas I want property in
11:03 asciilifeform gotta be in usa << currently. (as discussed in the past)
11:04 mircea_popescu yeah well, partisan dugouts in the us may have to wait a few years.
11:04 asciilifeform if could afford to escape - would. just like every other schmuck
11:06 asciilifeform those aren't areas I want property in << designated ghettoschwitzes, yes. notice how it is highly illegal to keep out scum other than through real estate pricing, in any part of usa.
11:06 assbot chalbersma +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
11:07 asciilifeform cannot, for example, 'to buy property here you must solve this here single-variable integral.'
11:07 kakobrekla !up chalbersma
11:07 asciilifeform or even 'name the 50 states of usa'
11:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform "and their capitols"
11:08 asciilifeform any of it.
11:08 mircea_popescu the idea holds water tho. money is supposed to work as an iq-meter.
11:08 mircea_popescu if it doesn't, THAT has to be fixed, not this.
11:08 asciilifeform bidding wars
11:09 mircea_popescu hm ?
11:09 mircea_popescu im not even sure i could do integration by hand, outside of recognising the formulaic equivalents.
11:10 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2014#607598
11:10 assbot Logged on 06-04-2014 14:59:26; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok. considering the what/how debate as accepted foundation : at any time there's a number of turkeys and a number of engineers.
11:10 asciilifeform doesn't have to be integrals. i just picked an example from 'captchas' used on some russian forums.
11:11 mircea_popescu haha they actually use integrals as captchas ?
11:11 mircea_popescu but it's simple pattern recognition, right ? of the ilk of "what is x2 + y2 + 2xy"
11:11 asciilifeform (perhaps mircea_popescu and i might've forgotten how to grind gnarly integrals mentally, but we still have the neurons to grind with 'macsyma' etc.)
11:12 asciilifeform http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2174/2268237733_cda4a1dbb3.jpg?v=0
11:12 The20YearIRCloud No, not ghettos, extremely rural areas with low property prices/low market
11:12 asciilifeform (american version)
11:12 The20YearIRCloud If i'm going in those areas, i'm getting land for the land, not to build cheap houses
11:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ouch lol. i have nfi
11:13 mircea_popescu what am i supposed to be, 18 ?!
11:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://lurkmore.so/images/c/cc/%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%87%D0%B0.jpg
11:14 asciilifeform http://avz.org.ua/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/captcha2.gif
11:14 asciilifeform and the like.
11:15 mircea_popescu heh. so the top is what, like 2/3x^2/3 + x ?
11:15 mircea_popescu this shit's awful wtf.
11:15 * asciilifeform brings this up as example of something that you certainly, definitely, under threat of harsh punishments, could not get away with in allocation of american housing.
11:17 mircea_popescu does that russian forum actually expect someone to type out (2/3 * x ** (2/3))/((3/4 * x ** (3/4) -(6/7 * x ** (6/7) )+x as a reply to a captcha ?
11:17 mircea_popescu or am i missing something ?
11:17 * kakobrekla doesnt feel bad about 'XVII + nineteen' anymore
11:17 asciilifeform answer's usually short.
11:18 mircea_popescu well is this one ?
11:18 chetty not so very different than making people jump through gpg hoops to get voice in here
11:18 * asciilifeform can't be arsed. does not frequent said forums, or advocate this recipe.
11:18 asciilifeform it was example.
11:19 mircea_popescu scam.
11:19 nubbins` chetty 8)
11:19 asciilifeform but i'd rather do these integrals every ten minutes, than be asked to come up with $mil.
11:19 mircea_popescu why the fuck ?
11:19 mircea_popescu i got more $mil than #patience.
11:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you - yes. sure
11:19 mircea_popescu let teenagers suck the cock and do the integrals, wtf are they for.
11:21 diametric asciilifeform: you actually can make stipulations like that in american housing.
11:21 asciilifeform point not being that i personally relish integral puzzles, but that if it were possible to escape usaschwitz by getting good at them, i'd be inclined to try.
11:21 asciilifeform diametric: really? i was told it was banned as 'racist' at one point.
11:21 diametric asciilifeform: re: home owners associations. they can basically place any number of arbitrary conditions on home ownership.
11:21 asciilifeform ;;google disparate impact
11:21 gribble Disparate impact - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disparate_impact>; Disparate Impact legal definition of Disparate Impact - Legal Dictionary: <http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Disparate+Impact>; What is disparate impact? definition and meaning: <http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/disparate-impact.html>
11:21 mircea_popescu diametric may have a point. you can prolly ge away with a community agreement where every tenant has to play scrabble or some shit
11:22 mircea_popescu exactly.
11:22 diametric mircea_popescu: exactly.
11:22 mircea_popescu ha! i beat someone to it for once, even if it was 2nd pass.
11:22 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i recall that if your torture test ends up affecting one ethnic faction more than another, you get in hot water
11:22 diametric usually hoas are run by bored housewives and middle managers that want to feel the power of lording over people.
11:22 mircea_popescu only if you take fed money.
11:23 asciilifeform 'griggs vs duke power'
11:23 asciilifeform though, if i recall, it concerned employment rather than real estate
11:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform also, the thing you cite is employment law.
11:23 mircea_popescu damn.
11:24 * asciilifeform ianal, does not know if 'integral torture' on real estate sales would be permitted in usa
11:24 diametric asciilifeform: there are only very specific sets of things hoas can't do. For example they can't say "no blacks allowed" or "women can't park here."
11:24 mircea_popescu in principle, disallowing absurd selection practices for employers may be unavoidable. otherwise, think of that church idiot and his "advice"
11:24 mircea_popescu imagine how it'd proliferate.
11:24 asciilifeform which 'advice'
11:24 asciilifeform he had a number of crackpot recipes
11:25 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/how-the-other-half-lives-or-michael-o-church-is-a-scummy-fuckwit/
11:25 assbot How the other half lives, or Michael O. Church is a scummy fuckwit pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
11:25 asciilifeform aha
11:29 chetty personally I have trouble seeing the difference between "women can't park here." and bakers must bake any cake requested
11:30 diametric chetty: US law specifically says one is "special"
11:30 diametric bakers aren't afforded the luxury of a special status
11:30 mircea_popescu chetty a baker applies for permission to be a baker.
11:30 mircea_popescu a woman is a woman afore the state.
11:31 mircea_popescu it's quite logical, if you care to follow the twisted remants of logic inside the system
11:31 chetty mircea_popescu, well it used to be like that nayway, these days it can be a choice
11:31 mircea_popescu which is why so much lobby to not distinguish natural and manufactured women
11:34 mircea_popescu anyway, what irks me isn't the weirdo stuff in the us as much as the memetic tendency. if it worked like, "if you want women to park anywhere and bakers to bake anything, go to ohio ; if you want women to not be allowed to park anywhere, go to montana" etc it'd be fine.
11:34 mircea_popescu have a pedo state, send all pedos there, have a 1950s household, send all 1950s types to utah, and so on and so forth
11:34 mircea_popescu but if you try make all teh places run on the same software...
11:35 mircea_popescu but no, lincoln must has know better what's best!
11:35 chetty well that was the idea when they started ... but states as sovereign entities has gone away
11:38 mircea_popescu well, the accident that guncotton is not made out of cottons while guns are made out of fllailed earth had something to do with it.
11:39 mircea_popescu it's universal this, absent universally pervasive dedication to diversity, diversity flounders because by its very definition it's multiple examples are not all equally fit.
11:40 mircea_popescu this is usually obvious in computer game design. if there's a warrior, a mage and an archer, having them all "equally powerful" defeats the point of having 3 of them. having them "differently powerful" often reduces to the former.
11:40 mircea_popescu no real way to solve it.
11:49 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
11:49 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 484.63, Best ask: 485.93, Bid-ask spread: 1.30000, Last trade: 485.0, 24 hour volume: 12575.72910500, 24 hour low: 462.56, 24 hour high: 492.0, 24 hour vwap: 476.417919968
11:49 chetty but in practice it tends to reduce to the lowest common denominator not the most fit wins ...
11:50 mircea_popescu you underestimate the importance of cheapness.
11:50 mircea_popescu there's more ants than people alive not because ants are better tea company
11:50 mircea_popescu but because they cost less to produce and less to maintain
11:51 mircea_popescu cheapness is, so to speak, the mother of fit.
11:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 4.46195344 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 388 satoshi per share
12:02 mircea_popescu ;;later tell hanbot http://cdn.rsvlts.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Perfect-Timing-Photos-157-630x605.jpg
12:02 gribble The operation succeeded.
12:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.40933458 BTC to 15`374 shares, 9167 satoshi per share
12:05 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: re 9000%: factors for me are exercise and regularity of schedule
12:18 mircea_popescu and this one is for my mom : http://i.imgur.com/68Uyseu.jpg
12:30 thestringpuller ants are also eusocial
12:30 thestringpuller probably more termites than ants
12:43 mircea_popescu thestringpuller the entire "eusocial" bs is little more than socialist propaganda.
12:43 mircea_popescu just about zero scientific merit to it.
12:44 mircea_popescu in other news, http://i.imgur.com/gjnU3b1.jpg
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13:13 thestringpuller mircea_popescu is anti-social
13:15 mircea_popescu no, i'm eusocial, and i take offense at the dilution of terminology.
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13:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.000605 = 0.605 BTC [-]
13:59 kakobrekla https://buy.hardwarewallet.com/hw1shop/#shop
13:59 assbot HardwareWallet
13:59 kakobrekla >GreenAddress : safer multiplatform wallet with multisignature, second factor confirmation of all transactions and anti-goxing protection.
14:05 kakobrekla It is unfortunately not possible to release HW-1 with an open firmware due to NDA restrictions, however you can verify with the specification that all commands do what they are supposed to do, and that clients are only sending documented commands.
14:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 858 @ 0.0006014 = 0.516 BTC [-] {4}
14:18 thestringpuller NDA restrictions?
14:18 thestringpuller from who? themselves?
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14:43 ThickAsThieves NDA that greenaddress gas with NSA
14:43 ThickAsThieves has*
14:45 thestringpuller wtf is "anti-goxing" protection?!?!?
14:45 thestringpuller is this just for the lulz?
14:47 ThickAsThieves means they won't let anyone named Mark have an account
14:49 ThickAsThieves !up truffles
14:49 ben_vulpes ho shit
14:49 ben_vulpes ;;seen truffles
14:49 gribble truffles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 weeks, 4 days, 22 hours, 32 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <truffles> tell me when the experiment is over
14:49 truffles its not over
14:49 truffles i was curious
14:50 truffles i tried to arrange that chess match with nubbins a while back kinda difficult to do when not in same room..
14:51 ThickAsThieves that almost makes sense
14:52 truffles it bugs me when i dont resolve things..
14:59 ben_vulpes bingoboingo's had much success running games over irc and webgames...
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15:28 thestringpuller I challenge ben_vulpes to Starcraft!
15:41 artifexd My "copper rounds" just showed up. They *are* nice.
15:43 jurov BLIT << wasn't this actually invented by monty python? only they had it as deadly joke
15:43 jurov obv the joke itself wasn't broadcast
15:48 ben_vulpes thestringpuller: it's been years and i was never any good :P
16:02 jurov re:smart pill - i think there may yet be surprising discoveries
16:02 jurov such as, wide occurrence of latent chlamydia
16:03 jurov that bugger tends to lurk in fat tissue where it is untreatable by antibiotics and slowly releases neurotoxins
16:04 jurov result? unexplicable pain and lowered mental performance
16:04 jurov why it isn't object of research till recently? doctors were taught it's simple treatable veneral disease
16:05 jurov ans sexual diseases research is uncool
16:06 jurov how do i know? i was diagnosed ch. pneumoniae (lung one, not the sexual one)
16:07 jurov and not in lungs, but on skin
16:07 jurov and every time i exercise and get skinner, i get sick
16:08 ben_vulpes fascinating!
16:08 jurov tl;dr: there is surprising health stuff we hide from ourselves because of our own culture
16:08 rithm i'm in good health, i've never broken a bone or had any type of major surgery
16:09 rithm i love menthol cigarettes too
16:09 ben_vulpes i too support more sex disease research
16:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00076812 = 6.529 BTC [-]
16:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8912 @ 0.00076607 = 6.8272 BTC [-] {2}
16:15 ben_vulpes twould be grand if life could go on without condoms
16:15 HeySteve hello, was wondering if a prepared NDA exists which can be cryptographically signed?
16:16 ben_vulpes yes
16:18 HeySteve great, even better if you have a link
16:32 thestringpuller re: health. pharma corps suppress a lot of research to increase profits it seems.
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16:59 The20YearIRCloud HeySteve: i'm pretty sure they can, since they've talked alot about contracting via blockchain
17:07 thestringpuller The20YearIRCloud what are you referring to?
17:07 The20YearIRCloud I'll have to dig it up, but there's a few altcoin or places that say they can sign contracts via blockchain
17:10 thestringpuller wouldn't gpg contracts be easier?
17:12 HeySteve I'd think so
17:12 ben_vulpes HeySteve: i mean i bought mine, and gpg sign it.
17:13 HeySteve yeah someone linked me to a good generic one, will use that with gpg sigs
17:20 ben_vulpes strip the text out, hard wrap it at 80 chars, gpg sign it
17:22 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: what would it take << beautiful question. let's say we find that chetty has, e.g., more efficient mitochondriae, that eat and shit less for given level of activity. and therefore require less cleanup. then we say 'can't fix this with aftermarket patch.' << I dunno mitochondral replacement might be an interesting experiment
17:25 BingoBoingo If mitochondria are some separate symiote we just depend on, there may be a way do a replacement
17:28 The20YearIRCloud http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/sep/10/bank-of-japan-interest-rates-zero
17:28 assbot Bank of Japan drives rates below zero | Business | The Guardian
17:29 The20YearIRCloud I'd hope that driving rates below zero and seeing little inflation would be more of a sign to keneysian economists that believe that inflation is solely driven by interest rates
17:34 ben_vulpes http://bubblear.com/about-those-credit-default-swaps/
17:34 assbot 403 Forbidden
17:40 The20YearIRCloud interesting
17:49 ben_vulpes 403 forbidden?
17:49 ben_vulpes http://bubblear.com/about-those-credit-default-swaps/
17:49 assbot 403 Forbidden
17:49 ben_vulpes weird.
17:49 kakobrekla hehe: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=777296.new#new
17:49 assbot Cryptostocks PROBLEMS
17:51 kakobrekla too bad it isnt in the bash
17:52 mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/X2vZyFK.jpg
17:53 mircea_popescu kakobrekla: It is unfortunately not possible to release HW-1 with an open firmware << lol
17:54 mircea_popescu artifexd: My "copper rounds" just showed up. They *are* nice. << which are these ?
17:55 mircea_popescu jurov: obv the joke itself wasn't broadcast << yeah i think you can say that. what was it, 70s ?
17:55 artifexd The coins that look all circuit board-y
17:56 mircea_popescu you mean the ones i linked like two days ago ?!
17:56 mircea_popescu jurov: tl;dr: there is surprising health stuff we hide from ourselves because of our own culture << interesting, the chlamyda story.
17:57 mircea_popescu *idya
17:58 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud: I'd hope that driving rates below zero and seeing little inflation would be more of a sign to keneysian economists that believe that inflation is solely driven by interest rates << there's no possible significance to keynesians anymore. they're a cult by now, like the collodial silver derps.
17:58 mircea_popescu "o no but it relaly helps, we've just not found out what yet"
17:59 mircea_popescu "everything"
17:59 mircea_popescu omg lok at that, kakobrekla is still on account #4. what happened there, their mods got thrown in jail or something ?
18:00 kakobrekla i just got this one today.
18:01 rithm trickle-down, yo
18:01 mircea_popescu !s "with Cryptostocks than MPEx"
18:01 assbot 1 results for '"with Cryptostocks than MPEx"' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%22with+Cryptostocks+than+MPEx%22
18:03 mircea_popescu lol it's from a jimmothy thread ?
18:03 mircea_popescu "Why not addressing one of the several elephants in the room? Why is 90% of their revenue from recruiting new investonomers? Why is the exchange owner taking such a huge role in "educating" his "investors"? Why is every single company co-owned by the exchange owner?"
18:03 mircea_popescu duh. because bitcoin people are stupid, in both cases. why else ?
18:04 mircea_popescu in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/3a46c43ff7dca6d11fc87d884f8589a1/tumblr_mvia2xrFj51qbfo7so1_1280.jpg
18:09 jurov !mpif
18:09 assbot BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021650 B (Total: 473.44 B). Delta: -1.08 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00022 BTC [+]
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18:27 mircea_popescu %p
18:27 atcbot No data returned from CoinMiner.net
18:27 atcbot [PityThePool Hashrate]: 9.93 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.73 TH/s
18:27 mircea_popescu 1.7th ?! that's a lot innit ?
18:27 mircea_popescu %d
18:27 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 283088.83 in 1271 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.93
18:28 BingoBoingo %t
18:28 atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 24h-Vol: 2k High: 221 Low: 221 VWAP: 221
18:28 artifexd mircea_popescu: yes those
18:29 mircea_popescu a nice.
18:29 BingoBoingo %v
18:29 atcbot [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 30d-Vol: 843k 30d-High: 250 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 195
18:30 kakobrekla ;;calc 14/232
18:30 gribble 0.0603448275862
18:31 BingoBoingo %d
18:31 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 283088.83 in 1271 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.93
18:31 mircea_popescu i don't get it. shouldn't 2 th breeze through ?
18:35 penguirker New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/braintree-paypal-company-accept-bitcoin/
18:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 48 @ 0.01046331 = 0.5022 BTC [-]
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18:53 mircea_popescu %p
18:53 atcbot No data returned from CoinMiner.net
18:53 atcbot [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.69 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.12 TH/s
18:53 mircea_popescu i guess those are just random numbers basically
~ 18 minutes ~
19:12 BingoBoingo ATC is an interesting lab for what happens when nethash and difficulty disagree in strong ways
19:14 mircea_popescu this is pretty lulzy http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2fzu74/bitbet_bitcoin_to_surpass_berkshire_as_an/
19:14 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (85%) on Yes, 193.66 B (15%) on No : Buttcoin
19:14 mircea_popescu "There's another fun gotcha: the winnings are paid out in bitcoin. So if bitcoin falls, and you win the bet, the value of the magic beans you won also goes down."
19:14 mircea_popescu "Plus if you lose, you lose magic beans that were worthless anyway."
19:16 BingoBoingo Lolzy http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2fzu74/bitbet_bitcoin_to_surpass_berkshire_as_an/ckeb3o8
19:16 assbot RghoNomic comments on BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (85%) on Yes, 193.66 B (15%) on No
19:17 BingoBoingo "Best part of that bet: The "scams" link lists the highest volume USD (Bitfinex) exchange as a scam AND it lists Coinbase as a scam."
19:30 mircea_popescu how is bitfinex an exchange at all ?
19:30 mircea_popescu it's just this bucket shop where you can pretend like you're trading bitcoin
19:31 BingoBoingo Well, ask r/buttcoin
19:33 mircea_popescu something good did come out of this tho. hey kakobrekla check this out : http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/
19:33 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (85%) on Yes, 193.66 B (15%) on No | closing in 5 months 1 week| weight: 46`812 (100`000 to 1)
19:33 mircea_popescu as per title, 193.66. as per page display, 193.65
19:34 BingoBoingo ;;ticker--market all
19:34 gribble Error: "ticker--market" is not a valid command.
19:34 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
19:34 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 478.54, vol: 11585.02199166 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 473.5, vol: 3851.5951 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 476.5, vol: 8487.06626041 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 477.220814, vol: 14662.47770000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 475.00001, vol: 0.02 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 488.4138, vol: 65.71840573 | Volume-weighted last average: 477.10619284
19:38 BingoBoingo !up bhcoins
19:38 kakobrekla myea one is using floor and the other is round
19:38 BingoBoingo Hello bhcoins
19:41 kakobrekla flor i mean
19:41 kakobrekla whats with the double o, i dont know
19:42 kakobrekla o no it floor
19:42 kakobrekla lol
19:42 kakobrekla flur.
19:42 punkman someone tried to scam me as `punkman, just how high are these idiots
19:42 kakobrekla lol
19:42 BingoBoingo http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/09/10/1922252/researcher-fired-at-nsf-after-government-questions-her-role-as-1980s-activist
19:42 assbot Researcher Fired At NSF After Government Questions Her Role As 1980s Activist - Slashdot
19:43 * kakobrekla got confused cause of failed syntax highlighting :(
19:43 BingoBoingo http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5680999&cid=47876377 << lol comment
19:43 assbot Researcher Fired At NSF After Government Questions Her Role As 1980s Activist - Slashdot
19:44 kakobrekla http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/
19:44 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: B (85%) on Yes, 193.66 B (15%) on No | closing in 5 months 1 week| weight: 46`810 (100`000 to 1)
19:44 gernika `punkman tried to scam me as well.
19:48 kakobrekla actually im not fixing that.
19:57 mthreat has mircea_popescu been to vancouver recently? http://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/so-thats-what-they-meant-by-the-beast-will-rise-up
19:57 assbot A Statue Of Satan With A Huge Erection Has Appeared In Vancouver For Some Reason
19:59 BingoBoingo http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/09/a-big-chunk-of-the-sierra-nevada-caught-fracturing-on-video/ << California begins breaking off into the ocean
19:59 assbot A big chunk of the Sierra Nevada caught fracturing on video | Ars Technica
20:05 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/Lee_Ars/status/509728184242151424 << Looks like Lee is choosing Vox over BTC...
20:05 assbot W/o getting too mushy, this is the best job Ive ever had & my coworkers are the best bunch of folks Ive ever had the privilege to work with
20:05 BingoBoingo Wait, confused tech writers
20:06 BingoBoingo Tim's the one with Vox
20:07 kakobrekla <mircea_popescu> how is bitfinex an exchange at all ? < ask josh?
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20:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.1783311 = 1.605 BTC [+] {3}
20:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.18481066 = 0.9241 BTC [+] {3}
20:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 34 @ 0.18970204 = 6.4499 BTC [+] {6}
20:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.19001666 = 1.1401 BTC [+] {3}
20:29 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: that video needs to be run through the google dewigglifier
20:29 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: The video wiggles only because the world does
20:30 BingoBoingo Not all bedrock is created equal
20:32 BingoBoingo alf: people who do tall surgery http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/09/bones/
20:32 assbot Bones: An Orthopedic Surgeon's Perspective - Medical Satire - GomerBlog
20:35 mircea_popescu kakobrekla myeah
20:36 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo a well.
20:36 BingoBoingo http://vetsbehavingbadly.blogspot.com/2014/09/rabies-testing-quarantine.html
20:36 assbot Veterinarians Behaving Badly: Rabies Testing & Quarantine
20:37 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: That was a false alarm on the reporter, confused him with a nearly indistinguishable reporter for Conde Nast
20:38 mircea_popescu "She even managed to gracefully handle the incessant "point of order" type questioning from the one guy in the back, who always has to ask a stream of arcane academic questions that are irrelevant to anyone living in the real world."
20:38 mircea_popescu these fucking derps and their "real world"
20:39 BingoBoingo Well, I dunno that Bitcoin has made it too far into medicine yet aside from that Dr. Goss guy with the MyBitcoin fiasco
20:40 mircea_popescu dude rly ? this chick is easily the most annoying shrill pest at any party.
20:40 mircea_popescu she's made all that out of someone dropping the wrong shit i nthe bag ?
20:42 BingoBoingo Yeah, amazing how whining about shit is a pest past time.
20:42 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
20:43 BingoBoingo Vetrinarian is almost like the parody orthopod
20:51 mircea_popescu lol
20:57 BingoBoingo I prolly should have went to doctor school and been an orthopod
20:59 asciilifeform re: bat and banana peel:
20:59 asciilifeform obligatory:
20:59 asciilifeform http://www.gutenberg.org/files/33346/33346-h/33346-h.htm
20:59 assbot Error 403
21:00 asciilifeform yes, it's -that- robert wood.
21:00 asciilifeform (woods' metal; destroyer of 'n-rays'; etc.)
21:00 asciilifeform 'The Parrot and the Carrot one may easily confound / They're very much alike in looks and similar in sound, / We recognize the Parrot by his clear articulation, / For Carrots are unable to engage in conversation.'
21:01 asciilifeform ( http://www.gutenberg.org/files/33346/33346-h/33346-h.htm#h2H_4_0010 )
21:01 assbot Error 403
21:03 mircea_popescu lol
21:10 asciilifeform copper rounds << i thought almost all modern bullets have copper jackets.
21:11 BingoBoingo http://atc.blockr.io/address/info/12djAcViRDNpfzkBEpN2N1RXCDocNi41BV
21:11 mircea_popescu rounds as in coins
21:11 BingoBoingo ATC mined > 200,000
21:11 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: exercise and regularity of schedule << exercise, easy; regularity of schedule is a dream to me, on account of my profession.
21:11 mircea_popescu my schedule is utterly irregular if it helps anything.
21:11 kakobrekla i dont even have one.
21:11 asciilifeform 'HardwareWallet' << lol! they never get tired, do they.
21:12 BingoBoingo What is a schedule and does it self lubricate?
21:12 asciilifeform not possible to release HW-1 with an open firmware due to NDA << anybody got an ion beam machine? 'gentlemen, start your engines.'
21:13 * kakobrekla doesnt
21:13 asciilifeform irregular schedule because you don't feel like sleeping in a given week is rather different from because phone rings and you have to get in a wheeled coffin because otherwise starve.
21:14 BingoBoingo asciilifeform> irregular schedule because you don't feel like sleeping in a given week is rather different from because phone rings and you have to get in a wheeled coffin because otherwise starve. << I prefer to think of my car as an ablative Iron Man suit that protects me from exertion and damage at high speeds
21:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform how is this different ?
21:15 asciilifeform same as difference between ordinary sex and working as 'crack whore'
21:16 asciilifeform or, horse in mongolian plains, far from man, and cart horse
21:16 asciilifeform etc.
21:17 mircea_popescu i don't see it. so in both cases you don't feel like sleeping that week
21:17 mircea_popescu if you felt like it, you would.
21:17 asciilifeform in case #2, just as you might feel like it, the bells might well ring.
21:18 mircea_popescu right ?
21:18 asciilifeform #1 - you want, you sleep.
21:19 mircea_popescu i dun credit this. you kill a guy, you've killed some guy. there's no "i had to kill him", is there ? there's no "i had to eat this icecream". you eat it, you get fat, you don't, you don't.
21:20 asciilifeform the observation was specifically about sleep (rather than the particular activity during the day, such as killings)
21:20 mircea_popescu but even that.
21:20 asciilifeform not sleeping because don't want yet is rather different from other people keeping you awake
21:20 mircea_popescu if you don't feel like sleeping, does it matter what bell arrangement you use to ruin your sleep for you ?
21:20 BingoBoingo Eh, some weeks I'll sleep 3 hours. Others I'll sleep 12 a day.
21:21 asciilifeform bell is used by other people to ruin your sleep. in exchange for food & housing.
21:21 * asciilifeform suspects he is not alone in this experience here
21:21 mircea_popescu this is like "the sun is moving on the sky" "no the earth is moving really".
21:22 BingoBoingo I live atm next to a fucking race track. have slept through races
21:22 asciilifeform nah, more like the difference between being told 'let them eat cake' and eating cake.
21:22 mircea_popescu you know the difference between antoinette and teh populace isn't that she's richer than them, it's that unlike them she dun care if she dies.
21:23 kakobrekla i think mp is tying to say that everything but death is optional
21:23 mircea_popescu kakobrekla no but i mean... you gotta APPLY to these people's waking up service. job interview and all that.
21:23 mircea_popescu at some point in there you gotta admit you pretty much went "sleep, fu."
21:24 mircea_popescu now im asked to credit that whether you do this for purely aesthetic reasons or otherwise makes a difference.
21:24 mircea_popescu well... what difference does it make ? you're still awake.
21:25 kakobrekla your universal law of sleep undisturbness is unknown to most of the world.
21:25 mircea_popescu hey, i bring light intra tenebrae :D
21:28 BingoBoingo ;;tickler
21:28 gribble Error: "tickler" is not a valid command.
21:28 BingoBoingo ^ nanotube
21:28 mircea_popescu ;;ticker dude
21:28 gribble (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
21:29 mircea_popescu stop pinging the poor guy spuriously. he like teaches and shit.
21:29 BingoBoingo Why can't we tickle yet?
21:29 BingoBoingo Ah
21:32 mircea_popescu jesus fuck
21:32 mircea_popescu $depth s.mpoe
21:32 empyex mircea_popescu: [S.MPOE] Bids: 3700 @ 0.00076773 10633 @ 0.00076594 10800 @ 0.00076507 10275 @ 0.00076418
21:32 empyex mircea_popescu: [S.MPOE] Asks: 22250 @ 0.00076782 14306 @ 0.00076969 36377 @ 0.00076980 4395 @ 0.00076988
21:33 mircea_popescu 9 satoshi apart ? what is this, some sort of joke ?
21:33 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/sarzitron/status/509876208251969536
21:33 assbot When adopting African kids with AIDS becomes mandatory, urinate in public. As a sex offender you're not allowed near children. /hashtag/lifehacks?src=hash
21:33 mircea_popescu yeah, because that law won't change o.o
21:38 TheNewDeal ok kind of pissed here. submitted a good wager with 1.6 btc zeroconf, doesn't get accepted. somebody makes a shitty bet about 4chan and posts .09 btc and it gets accepted?
21:38 mircea_popescu can it be with specifics ?
21:38 BingoBoingo I though it was clear that 2BTC is pretty much the new zeroconf magic number
21:39 TheNewDeal badgers bet
21:40 TheNewDeal 1.66 is virtually 2, and if I would have known .3 btc would have made any sort of difference I would have obviously added it
21:40 BingoBoingo Blame sports it seems it the issue
21:41 TheNewDeal sports wasn't the issue. No bets being placed on soccer, while creating 50 bets was a issue
21:41 BingoBoingo http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/7/7/2/313772_v1.jpg
21:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 166.02027623 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 33 satoshi per share
21:43 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal i have no idea why i have to drag it out of you. you';re the upset party, you're supposed to be naturally verbose.
21:43 TheNewDeal badgers ncaaf
21:43 TheNewDeal i was betting on them winning their next 7 consecutive games
21:44 BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: Were you betting on No?
21:44 TheNewDeal I bet on yes!
21:44 TheNewDeal and it could have been open for as much as 6 weeks for betting
21:44 mircea_popescu 07-09-2014 Rejected Badgers (NCAAF) to finish 9 games with 2 losses (or more)
21:44 mircea_popescu Rejection reason: Consider submitting with substantial paid wager.
21:44 mircea_popescu that ? you put 1.6 on yes ?
21:44 TheNewDeal 1.666 to be technical
21:45 mircea_popescu what do you figure the odds to be on this ?
21:45 BingoBoingo Wisconsin doesn't exactly have a challenging schedule
21:45 mircea_popescu 2 or more losses means they need what, 2 out of 9 wins ?
21:45 mircea_popescu has there even been a game with 8 losses out of 9 ?
21:45 TheNewDeal they need to win all of the games up until 9, or they will have 2 losses
21:45 mircea_popescu s/game/team
21:46 mircea_popescu (or more)
21:46 BingoBoingo http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/275/wisconsin-badgers
21:46 assbot Wisconsin Football - Badgers News, Scores, Videos - College Football - ESPN
21:46 TheNewDeal #9 was an away game against purdue
21:46 BingoBoingo #18 Wisconsin should play the rest of their season undefeated
21:47 TheNewDeal that's ridiculous
21:47 BingoBoingo WTF Bullshit schedule is that
21:47 TheNewDeal ill bet you on that
21:47 TheNewDeal nebraska and iowa are no gimme
21:47 BingoBoingo I would, but that would be Un-PC given Bo Pellini's face Chlymidia
21:48 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal so are you clear on wha happened there ?
21:48 TheNewDeal I had to bet more, is what I understand
21:48 mircea_popescu dude.
21:48 TheNewDeal no?
21:49 BingoBoingo But of the stretch to the Purdue game, Wisconsin should still be able to Lose to Northwestern and YEs still wins.
21:49 mircea_popescu Badgers (NCAAF) to finish 9 games with 2 losses (or more) <<< ie, if they have 5 losses, it's a yes.
21:49 BingoBoingo Illinois isn't beating Wisconsin
21:49 mircea_popescu if they have 9 losses, it's a yes.
21:49 TheNewDeal if that have 2 losses, it's a yes
21:49 TheNewDeal and i wrote that it closes
21:49 BingoBoingo Maryland *might* beat Wisconsin if alf can shock their team just right
21:50 TheNewDeal I realize it was worded shitlity, but I needed to draw some light on the fact that they already lost one game
21:50 mircea_popescu well so a) word it better ; b) obscure sports bets 2 btc as per whenever i announced this.
21:51 * asciilifeform confesses he never once saw maryland play a game, despite living in 100 metres of where the (local half) of the games played out for 2 years, and within 5km for past 11 yrs.
21:51 mircea_popescu what's this anyway, baseball ?
21:51 asciilifeform i assumed football.
21:51 asciilifeform (american football)
21:52 mircea_popescu maybe you're not in the demo.
21:52 asciilifeform possibly.
21:52 * asciilifeform is embarrassingly ignorant of matters of modern sport
21:53 BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: What happened to the B1G, You don't play any of [Michigan. Michigan State, Ohio SucksCocks University}
21:53 TheNewDeal they split it up
21:54 TheNewDeal they play a tournament at the end of the year now
21:54 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: why would chlamydia cripple a footballist ?
21:54 BingoBoingo What, like JewGolf?
21:54 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: He's the coach, needs to be able to see.
22:02 BingoBoingo !up chalbersma
22:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00076773 = 2.8406 BTC [+]
22:03 RagnarDanneskjol chalbersma is the pool dev we discussed
22:03 mircea_popescu wellcome chalbersma
22:04 chalbersma Hello MP
22:04 mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol now to get me up to speed, where did we discuss this ?
22:04 RagnarDanneskjol a few weeks ago in chan
22:04 mircea_popescu can ye link ?
22:04 RagnarDanneskjol will try
22:04 mircea_popescu !s is your friend
22:04 assbot 38 results for 'is your friend' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=is+your+friend
22:08 RagnarDanneskjol http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2014#802685
22:08 assbot Logged on 20-08-2014 11:38:13; mircea_popescu: <RagnarDanneskjol> I know more than a few highly competent pool hosts if this one proves unreliable << so hook something up
22:10 mircea_popescu aha. well, that proved reliable so far, but anyway, let's see if we can do something for your friend here.
22:10 mircea_popescu chalbersma what do you have in mind ?
22:10 RagnarDanneskjol regarding p2pool setup / hosting that is
22:10 * X-Rob pays attention
22:11 mircea_popescu X-Rob refresh me, what's the problem with p2pool in bitcoin again ? too slow -> orphans or what was it ?
22:12 RagnarDanneskjol i didn't think there was an atc p2pool avail with monitoring, etc that anyone could use
22:12 X-Rob mircea_popescu: nothing's really wrong with p2pool in bitcoin, as it has a decent block time
22:12 mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol well x-rob was going to make one, but then he got high.
22:12 BingoBoingo Now the COinminer ATC p2pool was configured poorly or something?
22:12 X-Rob p2pool with coins that have ultra-short block times cause issues, as the p2pool share time is 1/10th of the coin block time
22:13 X-Rob It kept falling over, I think was the major issue.
22:13 mircea_popescu why that ?
22:13 mircea_popescu !up chalbersma
22:13 mircea_popescu can he even talk lol
22:14 X-Rob BingoBoingo had already voiced him 8)
22:14 BingoBoingo Well a problem with the Coinminer p2pool was they never fucking responded to inquiries
22:14 mircea_popescu so then why exactly are there no p2p pools in bitcoin ?
22:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00076594 = 7.9275 BTC [-]
22:15 X-Rob mircea_popescu: p2pool in bitcoin was 5% of the network, last time I looked.
22:15 BingoBoingo There's a Bitcoin p2pool
22:15 X-Rob that's not 'no'.
22:15 mircea_popescu kay, i stand corrected
22:15 chalbersma I was more wondering what exactly you were looking for.
22:15 mircea_popescu why's it so anemic ?
22:15 X-Rob Ah. That's a different question. BEcause people can't math.
22:15 mircea_popescu chalbersma well, atc is this direct btc clone. it currenlty has not much of a usable pool.
22:15 BingoBoingo %p
22:15 atcbot No data returned from CoinMiner.net
22:15 atcbot [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.61 TH/s
22:16 BingoBoingo Oh Pity the Pool died again...
22:16 BingoBoingo %p
22:16 atcbot No data returned from CoinMiner.net
22:16 atcbot [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.52 TH/s
22:16 mircea_popescu X-Rob speaking of ppl can't math : "Basically, by specifying the price to such a huge place, it gives an advantage because it takes a smaller price change to win."
22:16 BingoBoingo And iSpace is the opposite of stable
22:16 chalbersma I've set it up with bitcoin and from what I understand atc is almost identical it "should work" almost out of the box.
22:16 X-Rob mircea_popescu: what's that gibberish?
22:17 mircea_popescu fresh offa reddit. people apparently believe that 1.4589799845796 is specified narrowerly than 2.
22:17 X-Rob I'm assuming it was comprehensible in context?
22:17 X-Rob Oh
22:17 X-Rob No
22:17 X-Rob No it wasn't.
22:17 mircea_popescu oh yes.
22:17 mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2fzu74/bitbet_bitcoin_to_surpass_berkshire_as_an/ckeykpc
22:17 assbot Mark_Karpeles_Jr comments on BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (85%) on Yes, 193.66 B (15%) on No
22:18 mircea_popescu chalbersma do you run a bitcoin pool atm ?
22:18 chalbersma Yes I run one for RSM an internal P2pool node for bitcoin with a few alts merge mined.
22:18 RagnarDanneskjol RSM being
22:18 mircea_popescu red star mining ?
22:18 chalbersma Red Star Mining.
22:18 RagnarDanneskjol yes
22:18 chalbersma Indeed
22:20 BingoBoingo chalbersma: How's your Bitcoin history?
22:21 chalbersma Mid range started getting involved summer of last year.
22:21 BingoBoingo chalbersma: Given the first name Meni... Can you offer a last name and a list of transgressions?
22:21 chalbersma Did a couple of small projects: https://github.com/chalbersma/btcaddrtocsv
22:21 assbot chalbersma/btcaddrtocsv GitHub
22:22 RagnarDanneskjol he's a candidate who came to me, i interviewed a few times and deemed worthy of such an undertaking
22:22 TheNewDeal for a second I thought he operated a pool for richard stallman...
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22:22 BingoBoingo !b 1
22:22 asciilifeform lol!
22:23 X-Rob mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2fzu74/bitbet_bitcoin_to_surpass_berkshire_as_an/ckezgkh
22:23 assbot xrobau comments on BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (85%) on Yes, 193.66 B (15%) on No
22:23 X-Rob I couldn't resist
22:23 * asciilifeform saw 'red star', thought 'what a soviet mining firm might've been named', went to check 'http://bitcoin.su.' lo and behold - there's one.
22:24 mircea_popescu sorry bout that.
22:24 asciilifeform frozen in time, links to 'mtgox'
22:24 chalbersma :) Ya I didn't name the company.
22:24 mircea_popescu chalbersma so what's your relation to the guy running it, w/e his name is ?
22:24 asciilifeform (and glbse!)
22:25 chalbersma We're friends. Are you asking me to tell you his name?
22:25 RagnarDanneskjol he's a nice southern gentleman who wanted to work in crypto and just happened to live in close proximity to them
22:26 RagnarDanneskjol he didnt know in advance of employment, correct me if i'm wrong chris
22:26 mircea_popescu chalbersma well no, but we aren't friends is all :)
22:26 RagnarDanneskjol big surprise
22:27 mircea_popescu anyway, so you setup a private p2poolk for rsm. anything non private / i can verify ?
22:27 chalbersma Ya he has an opinion about you but then again he's a bit hotheaded and has opinions about a lot of people. But he gave me my first break in bitcoin so...
22:27 mircea_popescu chalbersma contrary to what BingoBoingo may have you believe, there's no secret initiation rite, especiually nothing involving blood.
22:27 mircea_popescu or sorbothane.
22:28 chalbersma Ya but I needed someone to "show me the ropes" so to speak. I'm sure I could have done it myself but this gave me a structured way to start.
22:28 * asciilifeform sorbothaned for nothing!
22:28 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It totally involves blood, but yes it isn't secret... Totally public
22:28 mircea_popescu !up KRS-1
22:28 mod6
22:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7329 @ 0.00076418 = 5.6007 BTC [-]
22:29 BingoBoingo chalbersma: What are your favorite Unixisms?
22:29 mike_c RagnarDanneskjol: did you mention awhile ago that you were involved with a new ATC block explorer? or did I make that up in a dream?
22:29 chalbersma ATM the RSM p2pool has a private IP in the DC but we're working on getting it a public one. When the request comes back you'd be able to log into the public stats page and check it out.
22:29 mircea_popescu chalbersma what sort of load does it carry ?
22:29 RagnarDanneskjol mike_c -I'm working on it - a wallet too, should be done soon
22:29 RagnarDanneskjol like maybe this week
22:29 KRS-1 Anyone care to share your thoughts on this article? I know many of you aren't America, but perhaps you can relate afterall. http://boldanddetermined.com/2011/11/10/the-continued-pussification-of-the-american-male/
22:29 assbot The Continued Pussification of the American Male
22:29 mike_c ah, excellent
22:29 chalbersma ATM 5 1TH/s miners from bitmine.ch
22:30 BingoBoingo KRS-1: Yours?
22:30 KRS-1 no not at all
22:30 nanotube BingoBoingo: tickler eh hehe. mircea_popescu thanks for the concern :D
22:30 mircea_popescu chalbersma and what do you run it on ? vps ? amazon ?
22:30 KRS-1 I don't publish anything.
22:30 mircea_popescu nanotube :p
22:31 BingoBoingo KRS-1: Why not, you've often had insightful things.
22:31 mircea_popescu kinda really shy. KRS.
22:31 KRS-1 I've often thought about it tbh.
22:31 mircea_popescu "Gentlemen, being a man is great. You get to use your muscles to pick up heavy things, you get to use your dick to fuck things, and you get to use your brain to think and create things. It’s no wonder feminist’s hate men – they desperately want what we have but they can never have it. But how the heck have they convinced MEN that being a man is bad or evil?" << ah come on, women can't lift things ? wtf.
22:32 BingoBoingo I mean German women are the backbone of Europe
22:32 KRS-1 I've got to admit the author has an edge and I find a lot of his writing pretty good.
22:33 mircea_popescu KRS-1 well so the guy has broadly speaking a point. otherwise he's much too blund and sorely uneducated/uninformed to make much of it.
22:33 mircea_popescu not my cup.
22:33 BingoBoingo Whatever happened to BTC knife guy
22:34 chalbersma 1 colo'ed of these: http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1U/5018/SYS-5018A-TN4.cfm
22:34 assbot Supermicro | Products | SuperServers | 1U | 5018A-TN4
22:35 mircea_popescu for a 1th/s pool ?
22:35 chalbersma Originally designed it to do scrypt p2pool with many alts but the scrypt hardware we pre-ordered was delayed.
22:35 KRS-1 Cool thanks for checking it out
22:36 BingoBoingo chalbersma: Where do you Colo?
22:36 chalbersma Netsolus : http://www.netsolus.com/
22:36 assbot netsolus | IT Services Kansas City
22:36 BingoBoingo chalbersma: I've been looking at datacenters in the region for my blog
22:36 BingoBoingo Fuck KC, I was hoping you'd have an StL solution. Or maybe CoMo
22:37 KRS-1 imo Texas is the best place to set up shop
22:37 chalbersma :)
22:38 BingoBoingo Only Texans I've met have been steers and queers
22:38 KRS-1 HAHA I've heard that before
22:38 KRS-1 At least 5 major carriers converge somewhere in Dallas. Major peering points.
22:39 mircea_popescu txas is good. atlanta is also good. slc is actually decent
22:39 mircea_popescu chalbersma ok so, part of the problem here is that the entire market cap of atc is about what it'd cost to get a server colo'd.
22:40 chalbersma Depending on the size of the atc blockchain you may be able to host it on a VPS cheaper.
22:40 chalbersma Or potentially host it off someones home connection for a smaller fee.
22:41 RagnarDanneskjol its miniscule <100mb i believe
22:41 decimation re: hoa << it's a scam that's also perpetrated by the 'property management' industry
22:41 BingoBoingo I could move 4 times in the next year so my home connection is iffy
22:42 decimation they charge several hundred $usd to provide the 'paperwork' needed to sell a house with covenants
22:42 mircea_popescu you have a home now ?!
22:42 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, I have a domain name
22:42 mircea_popescu aok
22:43 BingoBoingo Otherwise I have couches
22:43 decimation also many states/counties charge a high fee to reproduce the official deeds with covenants
22:43 mircea_popescu who cares about a few hundred ?
22:43 BingoBoingo HOA's are a scam because most of them ban unkers
22:43 TheNewDeal KRS-1 not totally convinced "soy is an estrogen enhancing garbage by-product." Used to supplement it while lifting weights in the past, worked just fine for muscle buidling
22:43 BingoBoingo *bunkers
22:44 asciilifeform unkers ?
22:44 asciilifeform aha
22:44 decimation well individually nobody (it's a roundoff error in the total 'fees' required to transact us real estate) , but spread over thousands of transactions you have a 'special interest'
22:44 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Meant bunkers, I would love a studio apartment under the pasture
22:44 BingoBoingo !up chalbersma
22:44 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: if you can't build a bunker in secret from aerially-observing enemy, it isn't a real bunker.
22:44 asciilifeform nor are the lands sufficiently large then
22:45 decimation also many of them have language banning antennas of all kinds -- this was 'encouraged' by the cable companies
22:45 asciilifeform carry away the earth in buckets, if you have to, in pant pockets - as pictured in 'the great escape.'
22:45 mircea_popescu chalbersma what's this datacoin thing ?
22:45 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Amaxing how much of the research in this field is documented on "reality tv"
22:45 asciilifeform decimation: antennae << unenforceable in usa. fcc (fed gov.) has final jurisdiction over antennae.
22:45 mircea_popescu !up chalbersma
22:45 decimation they usually also ban things like clotheslines and pretty much anything unusual
22:46 decimation asciilifeform: that only applies to regular humans using 'small' (less than 1 meter) sat dishes or tv antennas
22:46 chalbersma Almost dead now. I was quite interested in it. Was permanent storage in a blockchain. Never really valuable but an interesting concept.
22:46 BingoBoingo What if my dick curves ever so slightly to the left? It's conductive... antenna?
22:46 asciilifeform decimation: http://www.fcc.gov/guides/over-air-reception-devices-rule
22:46 assbot Over-the-Air Reception Devices Rule | FCC.gov
22:46 asciilifeform right, 1m.
22:46 decimation right, 30 foot tower with 15 foot HF dipole is banned
22:47 decimation most us folk think antennas are 'ugly'
22:47 mircea_popescu decimation well in exchange you get to not have a pole around
22:47 decimation "The rule (47 C.F.R. Section 1.4000) has been in effect since October 1996, and it prohibits restrictions that impair the installation, maintenance or use of antennas used to receive video programming. "
22:47 BingoBoingo Antenna need not be pole. Saltwater lake works too.
22:47 decimation you see, it's okay to receive propaganda
22:48 decimation BingoBoingo: not if you want low-angle radiation for maximal ionospheric skip
22:48 mircea_popescu chalbersma i see. well okay, so do you see yourself running a bunch of pools in the future ? or what ?
22:48 BingoBoingo decimation: Then you dig your lake a better hole and insert pipes for "irrigation"
22:48 decimation although it's true that many objects can be made to radiate if matched properly
22:48 decimation although a salt marsh would make an ideal ground plane
22:49 BingoBoingo decimation: or ground aspargus mound works perfectly
22:49 decimation many hams use a 'flagpole'
22:49 decimation or string sufficiently invisible wire in a tree
22:49 chalbersma Not sure to be honest. I'm a Sys Admin by day so it seemed natural to bring those skills to bitcoin as I started to get into it.
22:50 mircea_popescu trustable btc hosting is probably in more demand atm
22:50 mircea_popescu if you sysadmin for a living start your own host.
22:50 asciilifeform hams use a 'flagpole' << think from this angle - any scenario where a gigantic antenna is a plus, it is also quite important that it be hidden from prying eyes
22:50 chalbersma If they're is enough interest in p2pool and other mining servers I might consider it.
22:50 decimation usg's sub-agents are continuing a fight against anything usual: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/in-dc-a-12-year-old-piano-prodigy-is-treated-as-a-truant-instead-of-a-star-student/2014/09/08/58962746-3727-11e4-bdfb-de4104544a37_story.html
22:50 assbot In D.C., a 13-year-old piano prodigy is treated as a truant instead of a star student - The Washington Post
22:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you can't hide an antenna. this is the definition of antennae.
22:51 asciilifeform decimation: linked 2 days ago here.
22:51 decimation sure you can hide antennae
22:51 mircea_popescu decimation 12 or 13 ?
22:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: can hide if receiving.
22:51 decimation heh
22:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform if receiving don't even need all that much.
22:51 KRS-1 lol so many sysadmins
22:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: (unless it's 1941 and you're pissing inadvertent heterodyne noise to a waiting wagen on street)
22:51 KRS-1 errywhere
22:51 decimation yeah the real complication comes when you want to pump high power into something and have it not burn/explode
22:52 RagnarDanneskjol chalbersma - the interest is there - I get requests for pool talent all the time.
22:52 BingoBoingo chalbersma: Any experience with Solaris or Free(storage)BSD? Any intent on running a hosting operation yourself?
22:52 mircea_popescu after bitvps went to the dogs i dunno that there's actually any dedicated btc hoster
22:53 KRS-1 BingoBoingo: I work for a datacenter in Canada. I often thought of setting up something but I go blank when I think of what to do.
22:53 chalbersma @Bingo would consider it in the future. Not looking into starting a hosting gig full time at this point. I haven't worked with Solaris but at my last job I did setup an internal FreeBSD webserver for them and I've been keeping up with FBSD for a while (esp. that ZFS goodness).
22:53 KRS-1 openstack often comes to mind lately though
22:54 BingoBoingo Openstack is bollocks, mysterymeat
22:54 chalbersma @Bingo I am also interested in MaidSafe it seems like if it's implemented properly it could be the decentralized Amazon EC2.
22:54 decimation I was thinking to myself this evening: what if Washington DC were washed into the sea tomorrow? usg's contingency plans would probably be to move the government west, in the middle of the kulaks they have been harassing for decades. I don't think that 'contingency usg' would survive as an entity that we would recognize.
22:55 mircea_popescu what sort of silly counterfactual is this.
22:55 decimation re: solaris << had a proper live stack tracing system. This is what linux has: http://poormansprofiler.org/
22:55 assbot poor man's profiler
22:55 BingoBoingo decimation: You know StL was considered as a potential replacement DC after it was sacked by Canada
22:56 BingoBoingo decimation: Dtrace has been a thing since I was a wee college freshman
22:56 chalbersma I've heard rumors of Denver. Major air hub, centrally located, US mint, near AF College...
22:57 BingoBoingo Only problem is legal weed
22:57 chalbersma Plus the usg couldn't get any worse if it was toking up. :)
22:57 BingoBoingo I dunno anymoar after Obummer
22:57 asciilifeform profilers << 'valgrind.'
22:57 RagnarDanneskjol !up RagnarsBitch
22:57 mircea_popescu allow me to contribute a naked woman with cane marks on buttocks and buckets to the discussion. http://38.media.tumblr.com/cf703026c6e39b636e296a6e9a8a9072/tumblr_mrhlp197Gz1sum4lro4_500.jpg
22:58 decimation asciilifeform: try running 'valgrind' on an application that requires high-bandwidth/speed performance
22:58 * BingoBoingo wonders if there is a 68k port of Valgrind
22:58 asciilifeform decimation: requires, as in, to work in any logical sense at all?
22:58 decimation chalbersma: denver would be logical. my point is that I suspect that usg employees are paid $$$ to write fantasy
22:58 asciilifeform profiler generally exists to eyeball what portion of the time is spent where in the program.
22:58 decimation asciilifeform: no as in if it must keep up with real-time hardware
22:59 asciilifeform decimation: you're stuck purchasing an ICE then.
22:59 decimation can you buy such a beast for high-end intel boards?
22:59 asciilifeform decimation: yes.
22:59 BingoBoingo <decimation> asciilifeform: no as in if it must keep up with real-time hardware << Sounds like someone needs to buy Alpha IP from Intel
23:00 decimation linux actually has something called 'perf' that does this - sorta - but the problem is that it doesn't do a full backtrace
23:00 BingoBoingo http://www.vice.com/read/how-to-have-a-non-monogomous-relationship-169?utm_source=vicetwitterus
23:00 assbot How to Have a Non-Monogamous Relationship | VICE United States
23:00 chalbersma So this p2pool server are you looking for one to run with ATC or with Bitcoin? My understanding is that ATC is not merge minable.
23:00 asciilifeform decimation: intel's ice port - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1441 (empty)
23:00 assbot Loper OS » Mechanics of FLUXBABBITT.
23:00 decimation asciilifeform: heh yeah, but does it track frame pointers?
23:00 BingoBoingo ATC is totally not mergeminable, and there are questions over whether pool hosting costs could be justified for:
23:01 BingoBoingo !MPIF
23:01 assbot BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021650 B (Total: 473.44 B). Delta: -1.08 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00022 BTC [+]
23:01 BingoBoingo %t
23:01 atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 24h-Vol: 2k High: 221 Low: 221 VWAP: 221
23:01 BingoBoingo %v
23:01 asciilifeform decimation: lets you set hardware breakpoints, incl. on register access
23:01 atcbot [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 30d-Vol: 842k 30d-High: 250 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 195
23:01 BingoBoingo %d
23:01 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 282937.87 in 1266 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.94
23:01 asciilifeform decimation: like any decent hardware debugger for other archs
23:01 BingoBoingo Valgrind definitely has higher resolution than resedit for sure.
23:02 BingoBoingo Resedit being the last great dev tool offered by apple
23:02 mircea_popescu chalbersma was for atc yea
23:03 chalbersma If the idea is to minimize costs then a VPS is probably your best bet for now. Especially considering that the blockchain is so small. Question can other sha-256 coins be merged ontop of atc? Like namecoin
23:03 mircea_popescu not afaik
23:03 BingoBoingo No merged mining is possible with ATC, by ThickasTheives design
23:04 BingoBoingo ATC is a totally independent SHA-256 chain
23:04 decimation BingoBoingo: actually osx has 'dtrace'
23:04 decimation http://dtrace.org/blogs/brendan/2011/10/10/top-10-dtrace-scripts-for-mac-os-x/
23:04 assbot Brendan's blog » Top 10 DTrace scripts for Mac OS X
23:05 BingoBoingo decimation: OSX is not Mac OS and is not a thing I recognize as existing.
23:05 decimation lol
23:05 chalbersma I think the real issue then is how much "ummph" does the VPS in question need. I've not had a chance to experiment with the minimum requirements for ATC or p2pool ontop of ATC.
23:05 decimation asciilifeform I suspect such hardware would not be cheap
23:05 BingoBoingo decimation: The last version of Mac anything was 7.5.1
23:05 mircea_popescu X-Rob wa the pool falling over because not enough cpu ?
23:06 X-Rob mircea_popescu: I have no idea. It just stopped giving me work
23:06 chalbersma Does anyone have an idea of how much ram atc's daemon uses?
23:06 mircea_popescu maybe it's because the work had too many decimals.
23:06 assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3HT3AC6.txt )
23:06 BingoBoingo !b 4
23:06 mircea_popescu chalbersma 4mb ?
23:06 decimation X-Rob: why do you think folks are willing to pay more than the expected return to rent miners?
23:07 BingoBoingo !up AndChat|679296
23:07 X-Rob decimation: Because they are willing. It's not a hypothesis.
23:07 mircea_popescu im a case study in that neh ?
23:07 X-Rob mircea_popescu: No, actually, you're not. I think I ended up charging you about 0.1btc over estimate
23:07 chalbersma So not much at all. I think the p2pool node I setup for RSM was using about 400MB of RAM but I was telling that server to manually connect to a number of peers.
23:07 asciilifeform decimation: not cheap << see http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3233532779857997@naggum.net.html
23:07 assbot Re: Upper limits of CL - Naggum cll archive
23:08 BingoBoingo %v
23:08 atcbot [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 30d-Vol: 842k 30d-High: 250 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 195
23:08 mircea_popescu X-Rob so that's not overpaying ? because why, not enough decimals ? :D
23:08 X-Rob Because that's well within statistical uncertanty
23:08 BingoBoingo !up Guest36874
23:08 mircea_popescu but admitting for the sake of admittance.
23:09 asciilifeform profilers << first, try 'gcov' - bare essentials, conveniently baked into gcc.
23:09 X-Rob mircea_popescu: I think he's referring to me being at estimate * 1.25 on leaserig.
23:09 decimation asciilifeform: I think with the new 'dwarf frames' & libunwind things have gotten better on linux
23:10 X-Rob decimation: I feel that I'm always at the bottom edge of the market of rig hire. I don't want to appear to rip people off
23:10 mircea_popescu 25% ?!
23:10 X-Rob However, I invested 1BTC to lease a bunch of rigs when SSD was released
23:10 X-Rob I ended up owning almost 10% of the coin
23:10 mircea_popescu what is ssd even
23:10 X-Rob which I then sold and recouped my investment with a nice margin
23:11 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: SSD is burn only
23:11 X-Rob mircea_popescu: Sonic Screw Driver. Tor-based coin. Technically interesting.
23:11 mircea_popescu uh. jeez.
23:11 decimation X-Rob: good move, sounds like a decent business
23:11 asciilifeform decimation: http://pastebin.com/scRkxz9w << example from life
23:11 assbot [C] example of gcov - Pastebin.com
23:11 X-Rob decimation: It's not a business. It's a hobby.
23:12 mircea_popescu tbh i imagine that's what powers the 25%. narrow base.
23:12 asciilifeform decimation: here - it counted. ~5000 hrs of runtime, had to count.
23:12 Guest36874 I'm almost certain its not a CPU or decimal issue...pool crashing that is
23:12 chalbersma I noticed someone said they didn't like bitvps but they have VPS for $20/mo that may do the trick. I assume other vps providers have similar pricing. 2 cores 2G 20GB 2TB transfer.
23:12 chalbersma brb
23:12 asciilifeform decimation: (on 32 cpu. cost money, at the time.)
23:13 X-Rob mircea_popescu: yep. It's unusual for my main rig to be idle for more than 6 hours or so.
23:13 BingoBoingo chalbersma: Bitvps has history here
23:13 BingoBoingo ;;gettrust rg
23:13 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user rg: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 13 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=rg | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=rg | Rated since: Sun Jun 5 13:39:49 2011
23:13 thestringpuller keep dem hashes going
23:14 thestringpuller BingoBoingo: Namworld helped to turn bitvps around
23:14 decimation asciilifeform: thanks for the example
23:14 asciilifeform decimation: not so much example for output (you can see that in 'man' page) but of where you might actually bother with profilers.
23:15 decimation asciilifeform: I find that they are useful for picking the 'low hanging fruit'
23:15 decimation programmers today are so lazy and wasteful with memory
23:15 mircea_popescu it's judicious allocation decimation. compare cost of ram chips with what programmers cost.
23:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.0007626 = 5.1476 BTC [-] {2}
23:15 decimation I wish the hardware had garbage collection built-in like your dream, but the problem is that the von neumann world is going the other direction
23:16 asciilifeform 'programmers' is a ware in the same sense as 'food'
23:16 mircea_popescu this is true
23:16 decimation mircea_popescu: I guess I'm talking more about 'thrashing' - allocating and deallocating memory without care
23:16 thestringpuller the life and times
23:17 mircea_popescu ;;rate chalbersma 1 new blood.
23:17 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user chalbersma has been recorded.
23:17 mircea_popescu !up chalbersma
23:17 mircea_popescu you can self-up if identified to gribble, just pm assbot !up
23:17 decimation as memory becomes slower relative to cores*cache available the incentive is to micro-manage how data is shoveled into the cpus
23:18 mircea_popescu or make the bus wider
23:18 chalbersma okay
23:19 mircea_popescu !up upme_boolcrap
23:19 upme_boolcrap hi
23:19 mircea_popescu ello
23:19 upme_boolcrap how goes it
23:19 mircea_popescu im on my third slice of chocolate cake
23:19 asciilifeform upme_boolcrap: where'd you put your key.
23:19 upme_boolcrap nice cake
23:19 upme_boolcrap i put my key in my other wallet
23:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform uphim.
23:19 upme_boolcrap locked it in my safe and abandoned ship
23:19 asciilifeform !up upme_boolcrap
23:20 mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats
23:20 gribble Current Blocks: 320082 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 461 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 2 hours, 15 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 29144209996.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 6.2547
23:20 upme_boolcrap what kind of chocolate cake
23:20 TheNewDeal network caught a cold
23:20 decimation keys aren't safe on the ocean floor: http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nukevault/ebb305/
23:20 upme_boolcrap how many women do you have cooking for you at once Mr.P?
23:20 mircea_popescu home made
23:21 mircea_popescu depends on the day.
23:21 upme_boolcrap i imagine they are mostly naked?
23:21 mircea_popescu sometimes.
23:21 upme_boolcrap you a a god amongst men Mr.P
23:21 upme_boolcrap are a.
23:21 chalbersma Ya I remember reading about the RG problems. I use bitvps for my blog and it seems fairly stable. But I assume that there's probably a number of people offering VPS hosting for bitcoin these days.
23:21 mircea_popescu no. among women.
23:22 upme_boolcrap lol
23:22 upme_boolcrap how can i convince my wife to let me have more wives
23:22 mircea_popescu chalbersma not that many, really.
23:22 mircea_popescu upme_boolcrap bring her here.
23:22 BingoBoingo chalbersma: What is your blog?
23:22 TheNewDeal blag*
23:22 chalbersma http://mwguy.us/
23:22 assbot Mid West Guy | A blog detailing useful stuff I've learned.
23:22 upme_boolcrap hrm
23:23 upme_boolcrap if she let me have more wives she would have to clean less
23:23 upme_boolcrap and cook less
23:23 upme_boolcrap this isn't all bad for her
23:23 asciilifeform upme_boolcrap: you need a replacement wife. a correctly specced one encourages installation of auxiliary wives.
23:23 mircea_popescu depends what mess you make.
23:23 upme_boolcrap lol
23:23 upme_boolcrap auxiliary wives
23:24 upme_boolcrap man
23:24 chalbersma @upme Has to be about redundancy :)
23:24 upme_boolcrap you guys got it made.
23:24 chalbersma Not really a marriage until it's N+1 eh?
23:24 asciilifeform upme_boolcrap: mind you, socket for aux wives is just a start - you still have to obtain and install.
23:25 TheNewDeal chalbersma what was mwgi
23:25 BingoBoingo chalbersma: I know you linked an atom server architecture earlier, but x86 can't be your fave... can it?
23:25 decimation chalbersma: some good tips on your blog, thanks for writing them up
23:26 chalbersma http://ark.intel.com/products/77987 x86-64 arch on this particular processor.
23:26 assbot ARK | Intel® Atom Processor C2750 (4M Cache, 2.40 GHz)
23:26 decimation chalbersma: lol you still maintain hp-ux?
23:26 chalbersma It's the low power stuff.
23:26 asciilifeform hp-ux << lol!
23:26 upme_boolcrap yeah mr.S
23:27 upme_boolcrap so when are we fired
23:27 * asciilifeform threw out a 50kg hp-ux (pa-risc!) box when moved
23:27 chalbersma Yep the company I work for still developes the latest stuff for HP-UX. Luckily we're moving off it for RHEL later this year.
23:27 upme_boolcrap i kind of feel like i have to deliver something
23:27 decimation atom cpus suck but they are low power
23:27 asciilifeform upme_boolcrap: lol, have some dignity in our honourable mass grave!
23:27 mircea_popescu upme_boolcrap say, did oyu have a few drinks ?
23:27 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I might be throwing out a lot of boxen soon.
23:28 upme_boolcrap lol
23:28 upme_boolcrap maybe ascii
23:28 upme_boolcrap maybe a few drinks
23:28 upme_boolcrap maybe i have indulged in the medical marijuana
23:28 asciilifeform lulz
23:28 BingoBoingo <chalbersma> Yep the company I work for still developes the latest stuff for HP-UX. Luckily we're moving off it for RHEL later this year. << Stahp or I'll have to cover you in my systemd fatwah
23:29 chalbersma lols
23:29 chalbersma They have AIX too!
23:29 BingoBoingo http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/01/19/romanian-billionaire-saves-openbsd/ << chalbersma I scooped you at least once
23:29 assbot Romanian Billionaire Saves OpenBSD | Bingo Blog
23:29 BingoBoingo AIX isn't real though
23:29 decimation chalbersma: are they selling to usg?
23:29 BingoBoingo AIX is just fancier panties for S/70
23:29 asciilifeform upme_boolcrap: find bug >> http://pastebin.com/scRkxz9w << should occupy your newly-found mental powers
23:29 assbot [C] example of gcov - Pastebin.com
23:30 upme_boolcrap lol
23:30 upme_boolcrap one look at that
23:30 upme_boolcrap makes my face bleed
23:31 chalbersma @decimation yes but not all the AIX/HP-UX clients are government.
23:31 asciilifeform upme_boolcrap: originally phriend's, not mine. i merely de-c++ed, profiled, optimized, massaged, found where to run.
23:31 decimation next someone is going to come around saying they maintain IRIX
23:31 upme_boolcrap what is it supposed to do?
23:31 * asciilifeform keeps an irix box around.
23:32 decimation asciilifeform: they were pretty to be sure
23:32 decimation awhile ago I was looking for modern dumb-terminal, found here: http://geoffg.net/terminal.html
23:32 assbot Geoff's Projects - ASCII Video Terminal
23:32 asciilifeform upme_boolcrap: calculates m. petitjean's chirality index for alpha-quartz crystal lattice of growing size. just as printed on the box.
23:33 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Isn't Irix basically crotchless panties?
23:33 asciilifeform (defined here, http://petitjeanmichel.free.fr/itoweb.petitjean.skewness.html)
23:33 assbot Free Pages Personnelles: Erreur 404 - Document non trouvé
23:33 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: more or less. don't plug the ethernet in.
23:34 asciilifeform modern ascii terminal << ibm 5250, say.
23:34 asciilifeform why does it have to be modern-as-in-right-now
23:34 * asciilifeform kept an ibm 3161 in uni, right in dorm room
23:34 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Modern is A/UX and system 7, everything used nao is postmodern
23:35 decimation asciilifeform: my main requirement is to ditch x-ray crt
23:35 asciilifeform ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_3101#mediaviewer/File:Ibm3161-setup.jpg << not mine )
23:35 assbot IBM 3101 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
23:35 * BingoBoingo used NetBSD's GPG fork on my MacSE/30 this fucking spring
23:35 asciilifeform decimation: crt is what makes it worth having.
23:35 TheNewDeal asciilifeform is ceill the typo?
23:35 asciilifeform nice, slow phosphours.
23:36 BingoBoingo result: machine burned
23:36 decimation yeah what bingo said
23:36 asciilifeform TheNewDeal: trick. no typo.
23:36 TheNewDeal fuck that
23:36 decimation I would agree that finding one that spoke rs-422 would be neat
23:37 asciilifeform you can plug that 'ibm' or whatever into - anything
23:37 BingoBoingo Seriously, burned rather than finish finding entropy to generate keys
23:37 asciilifeform if it speaks asynchronous serial (and what doesn't)
23:38 BingoBoingo <decimation> asciilifeform: my main requirement is to ditch x-ray crt << How else are you going to spot USD???
23:39 decimation asciilifeform: yeah I see it supports RS-422, that's neat. Would be useful for a home serial-terminal server
23:39 * asciilifeform misses crt, but every time he buys 'amazing!11! well-preserved111! trinitron' - it's a faded turd.
23:39 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
23:39 * BingoBoingo assumes the reason for metallic ink on high denomination USD bills is X-Ray shadow at the air port
23:39 * asciilifeform besides, would need 4+ of them
23:39 decimation asciilifeform: makes me sad I ditched my 21 inch trinitron a few years ago, but it was a heavy bitch
23:40 asciilifeform the phosphour fades, and there is nothing to be done about it (besides a dreaded heathen recipe - boost the gun voltage. result: 'radiation king (tm)')
23:41 decimation asciilifeform: yeah the weight is mostly the lead in the glass to protect from x-rays
23:41 asciilifeform yes.
23:41 * BingoBoingo regrets not talking first realish job into the other 3 processors and GB of RAM into the Ultra 80
23:41 decimation junk dealers are selling all kinds of old ibm rs-422 terminals for various crazy asks
23:42 asciilifeform rs232, mostly
23:42 asciilifeform not that it makes more than a few pennies' difference to anyone
23:42 decimation probably the way to find those cheap is to find some library or other such institution 'upgrading' to microshit
23:42 BingoBoingo Only real difference between rs-422 and rs-232 is five minutes with a knife
23:43 decimation BingoBoingo: rs-422 is a differential signal
23:43 BingoBoingo <decimation> probably the way to find those cheap is to find some library or other such institution 'upgrading' to microshit << Interesting you mention this nao, get back to me in 2 weeks
23:44 BingoBoingo decimation: I spz. knife instead of plug for a reason...
23:44 * decimation remembers every pos and library using said terminals growing up, only to be replaced with buggy-ass windows for no reason
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23:44 * asciilifeform also saw this
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23:45 decimation I actually worked in a library in my youth, I quite enjoyed the spring keyboard and the 'peripheral' laser scanner
23:46 BingoBoingo FUKU... or whatever my coinbr referal code is. I'm trying to get library work nao.
23:47 asciilifeform who cares what their display weighs? how often, it moves !?
23:47 BingoBoingo Exactly. Mac OS 7 was the shit.
23:48 decimation why not freedos?
23:48 BingoBoingo It was the GUI that corresponded to what the machine offered.
23:48 asciilifeform put it this way. either you're a grown man and can pick up 50kg like feather - or - you're a cripple, and someone hangs around who can pick up -you- (to put in bedpan) - and this person will carry your display.
23:48 BingoBoingo !up chalbersma
23:48 decimation asciilifeform: I carried that thing over many moves, finally decided lcds were good enough to replace it
23:49 decimation then I became addicted to the extra square feet of space
23:49 asciilifeform decimation: i decided, and then some time later came to believe that was wrong - and it was too late.
23:50 decimation it's true, I miss the contrast ratio for one thing
23:50 asciilifeform !up upme_boolcrap
23:50 decimation no led/lcd has a true black
23:50 BingoBoingo !up upme_boolcrap
23:50 BingoBoingo decimation: Only Liberia still has true blacks
23:51 decimation and New Zealand
23:52 BingoBoingo No, those aren't black, those are Abbo
23:52 upme_boolcrap oh thank u sir.
23:53 upme_boolcrap stan did i tell u yet
23:53 upme_boolcrap that watermelon
23:53 upme_boolcrap was amazing
23:53 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
23:54 decimation a good sweet watermelon is one of the pleasures of the end of summer
23:54 upme_boolcrap it really is
23:55 upme_boolcrap i hope to grow at least 60 next year
23:55 upme_boolcrap one for every day of august and september
23:55 decimation lol do you have acres of space?
23:55 upme_boolcrap for 60 watermelons?
23:55 upme_boolcrap easy
23:55 upme_boolcrap just 3 acres
23:55 upme_boolcrap potatoes are also a big crop
23:55 upme_boolcrap of mine
23:56 decimation you live within commuting range of ascii? You must be rich
23:56 upme_boolcrap rofl
23:56 upme_boolcrap why would i be rich
23:57 decimation real estate inflation
23:57 BingoBoingo Becaue you live in prime cotton country
23:57 upme_boolcrap haha
23:57 upme_boolcrap i live in the hills
23:57 upme_boolcrap its not to far out there
23:57 upme_boolcrap its kind of perfect
23:57 upme_boolcrap im still in a development
23:57 upme_boolcrap so if someone kills me
23:57 upme_boolcrap someone else will know
23:57 upme_boolcrap but i have alot of room between other houses
23:57 upme_boolcrap so i can roam naked in my yard if i wish
23:58 decimation I've heard of people commuting from west virginia to the dc area
23:58 decimation sounds crazy to me
23:58 upme_boolcrap we only go in once a week
23:59 upme_boolcrap its 1.15 hours to work
23:59 decimation ah well that would be okay then
23:59 upme_boolcrap too far for me to drive each day
23:59 decimation I was talking with a guy who worked near the Googleplex the other day - apparently he knows people that commute 3 hours each way
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