Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
← 2015-06-26 | 2015-06-28 → ↓
00:00 asciilifeform (sega actually made a pc! with built-in 'genesis' ! and it even shared memory with the pc, somehow. unknown outside of jp)
00:00 * decimation remembers fondly going to the video rental store to rent nintendo games
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00:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.00041414 = 3.3338 BTC [+]
00:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21933 @ 0.00041414 = 9.0833 BTC [+]
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00:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00041414 = 1.698 BTC [+]
00:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19511 @ 0.00040704 = 7.9418 BTC [-] {2}
00:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00040449 = 12.4785 BTC [-]
00:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43031 @ 0.00040191 = 17.2946 BTC [-] {2}
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01:08 mircea_popescu !up Bingo_bar
01:12 mircea_popescu !up chicago
01:13 Chicago Hey thanks, Whats the topic this hour?
01:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8415 @ 0.00040461 = 3.4048 BTC [+]
01:20 mircea_popescu hm. nothing much.
01:21 scoopbot_revived The actual state of the Bitcoin network http://trilema.com/2015/the-actual-state-of-the-bitcoin-network/
01:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00040513 = 4.6185 BTC [+] {2}
~ 25 minutes ~
01:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00040911 = 2.7819 BTC [+] {3}
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02:16 cazalla bingo_bar ya should be drinking and chatting to the honeys not irc nerds
02:22 mircea_popescu such as http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm0mvqsaLC1qd25mzo1_1280.jpg
02:22 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LMdHZL )
02:23 cazalla nice big areola
02:31 mircea_popescu "We write elegant and minimal apps that works. We develop web apps with Django framework."
02:33 mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/domain/dazzlepod.com/new/ << apparently this used to be a thing
02:33 assbot newest submissions : dazzlepod.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1LMeA4D )
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02:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3001 @ 0.00041738 = 1.2526 BTC [+]
02:50 punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIdT1LEUYAEUfwp.jpg
02:50 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LMg6Uk )
02:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00041738 = 1.753 BTC [+]
03:03 punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIfFRqsVEAAsQZ4.jpg
03:03 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LMhmqw )
03:07 punkman !up NewLiberty
03:09 punkman !up sinetek
~ 29 minutes ~
03:38 cazalla https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org/msg00216.html
03:38 assbot [bitcoin-dev] Upcoming DOS vulnerability announcements for BitcoinCore ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nm5IDd )
03:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25750 @ 0.00041738 = 10.7475 BTC [+]
~ 31 minutes ~
04:14 punkman !up awokestillY2K
04:15 awokestillY2K thanks punk, rottentomatos is flagged too, loled on arnie
04:19 punkman http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33296839
04:19 assbot Greece debt crisis: Tsipras announces bailout referendum - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hm1c7t )
04:20 punkman apparently that's gonna cost about 100mil euros
04:22 mircea_popescu what better use of money.
04:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00040854 = 6.6592 BTC [-]
04:34 awokestillY2K https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMZmw-1wj5Q
04:34 assbot LOLAWOLF - Every Fuckin Day - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hm2Iqg )
04:37 cazalla nice one america, now i'm gonna hear even more gay marriage bullshit downunder
04:39 cazalla not that i really give a fuck what a bunch of gender bender trans fluid unicorns do, just the fucking posturing "i'm sooo progressive look at moi, look at moi, look at moooi"
04:41 awokestillY2K lol, who gives a fuck?
04:41 punkman what if you are allergic to rainbows
04:42 awokestillY2K aussie refferendum would cost n100 rainbows
04:43 cazalla awokestillY2K, ya know this will be the hot topic the aus gov uses at the next election to pass the baton
04:43 awokestillY2K bitcoin unaffected
04:44 awokestillY2K you can thank your favourite god that noones forcing anyone to get married
04:46 cazalla !up awokestillY2K
04:47 cazalla u trollin' me vexual?
04:47 awokestillY2K hell no
04:48 awokestillY2K here im starting to work on 48 unit billable days tho
04:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68944 @ 0.000402 = 27.7155 BTC [-] {2}
04:48 awokestillY2K im looking for ore to build u a 316 10kg machete
04:49 cazalla i'm good machete wise
04:49 awokestillY2K nuff said
05:00 awokestillY2K machetes are for plantlife kids, lets make that clear
05:01 awokestillY2K thats not illegal yet?
05:02 cazalla http://gov.texas.gov/news/press-release/21131?utm_medium=social&utm_source=t.co&utm_campaign=20150626_txgov-p-scotus_samesexmarriage_06262015_twitter&utm_content=txgov
05:02 assbot Office of the Governor - Greg Abbott - [Press Release] Governor Abbott Statement On Supreme Court Ruling On Same-Sex Marriage ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hm5dZI )
05:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00039718 = 11.4388 BTC [-]
05:04 awokestillY2K personally, i'd prefer law and religion separate
05:05 awokestillY2K too many abbotts
05:05 cazalla i'm hoping it will act as kindling
05:05 awokestillY2K howso?
05:07 cazalla more crazies doing their thing is how
05:11 awokestillY2K meh
05:14 awokestillY2K seen dope(2015) yet?
05:14 awokestillY2K whats mine is mine whats yours is yours
05:15 cazalla nah, have not been to the cinemas in years
05:16 awokestillY2K me neither
05:16 awokestillY2K i did see madmax on someones recoommendatiuon
05:17 awokestillY2K poor cunt spent half the movie with forks for teeth
05:18 cazalla fuck paying $25 to sit through 45m of commercials.. the fucking hide
05:19 cazalla !up awokestillY2K
05:19 awokestillY2K i think i paid 8.50
05:20 cazalla independents bit too far for me to bother
05:20 awokestillY2K check the xits for entry
05:21 awokestillY2K youll rage tho
05:25 awokestillY2K if you're a madmax fan
05:27 fluffypony cazalla: agreed
05:27 awokestillY2K u seen it pony?
05:27 fluffypony replaced our TV with a Canon WUX400ST
05:28 awokestillY2K nevermind ill release the breeders
05:28 fluffypony and got a Silver Ticket projector screen
05:28 awokestillY2K not bothered
05:28 fluffypony now there's no way I'm going to the movies again
05:28 awokestillY2K i got stuck to the seat
05:29 awokestillY2K waiting for 3d
05:30 awokestillY2K oldman moved, tasty arrived
05:30 awokestillY2K i dont see it
05:30 cazalla can't see 3d.. took me something like 20 years to understand why i couldn't see those stereoscopic books as a kid too
05:33 awokestillY2K its a schooner!
05:34 cazalla ya drinking awokestillY2K ?
05:35 awokestillY2K ^mallratz
05:35 cazalla i'll take that as a yes (still sober this month)
05:35 awokestillY2K im planning sober 2.0
05:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17332 @ 0.00039868 = 6.9099 BTC [+]
05:37 cazalla i'm thinking i'll refrain unless i make it myself.. have a guava here and in a few years time shahtoot mulberries should be big enough to make something
05:38 awokestillY2K bats rape mine
05:39 cazalla put up some netting
05:39 awokestillY2K https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjrf6vzrV6w
05:39 assbot Awreeoh - Don't Get Deleted - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dnl3ah )
05:39 cazalla we had possums.. had
05:39 awokestillY2K fuck that, gotta pull the cunts out, hendra
05:40 awokestillY2K rabies too
05:40 awokestillY2K how to solve possum?
05:40 cazalla ask them nicely to leave?
05:41 awokestillY2K whats the purple bin for?
05:42 cazalla nfi
05:43 awokestillY2K https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W54z1Yvvtos
05:43 assbot Coloured bins | Problems | Starts 9pm, Wednesday, 21 Nov 2012 on ABC1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dnlm4X )
05:44 cazalla aww shit mate gotta put the bins out
05:44 awokestillY2K lol
05:45 awokestillY2K u should hear my recycling bin
05:45 awokestillY2K breaking glass
05:47 awokestillY2K neighbours know whats going on like ur dicks on tumbler
05:47 cazalla nah, that bouncing sound
05:47 awokestillY2K shit dont break
05:48 cazalla one for you awokestillY2K https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSiehK2asbI
05:48 assbot #ProudToLove - Celebrating Marriage Equality and LGBT Pride Month - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dnlEbO )
05:49 awokestillY2K man i love rainbows as much as the next guy, but i like pussy
05:51 cazalla how self absorbed can one be to make a coming out video where you don't really come out to your parents but just send them a link to a video
05:56 cazalla !up awokestillY2K
05:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00040982 = 9.6513 BTC [+]
05:58 awokestillY2K does anyone not read ass these days?
06:02 awokestillY2K https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9_YSj9wyjQ
06:02 assbot Snoop Dogg, Dr.Dre & Jewell - Just Dippin' - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dnmBkr )
06:06 cazalla awokestillY2K, http://8ch.net/b/res/3236027.html pic one
06:06 assbot /b/ - Clothes on and off ... ( http://bit.ly/1dnn2Lu )
06:07 awokestillY2K you want me to quote on areolae?
06:08 cazalla whatever takes your fancy
06:08 awokestillY2K quick glance i see nothing
06:08 cazalla half these women have shaving rash mind you, guess noone told em about wax
06:08 awokestillY2K theres ;;lasers now
06:09 awokestillY2K big in milan
06:10 awokestillY2K !g japan gorilla
06:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.00041392 = 17.0121 BTC [+] {2}
06:14 cazalla damn this one used a broken bottle to shave http://8ch.net/b/src/1435255283858-2.jpg
06:14 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJnjEg )
06:14 cazalla check the arms heh
06:16 cazalla http://8ch.net/b/src/1435255745416-2.jpg hairy, like animal!
06:16 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJnBem )
06:17 awokestillY2K hey if you dont want a precise machete thats ur biz
06:18 cazalla nothing like a bit of period on the thighs http://8ch.net/b/src/1435256482469-0.jpg
06:18 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJnOOH )
06:18 awokestillY2K im orf to bali to buy cocaine from a north african and install the latest russian adobe update]
06:19 awokestillY2K its all ruit, what else u got?
06:19 awokestillY2K *ruin
06:22 awokestillY2K https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=815O6Qj2Nx8
06:22 assbot South Pacific: Bali Hai - 1949, Martin & Pinza - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dno4Hx )
06:22 cazalla ya know that ukrainian doll never came back
06:22 awokestillY2K which one?
06:22 cazalla mfc
06:22 awokestillY2K wha?
06:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29684 @ 0.0004134 = 12.2714 BTC [-]
06:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 99 @ 0.054 = 5.346 BTC [-]
06:25 awokestillY2K shes prolly making more elsewhere
06:25 awokestillY2K aint no crime
06:27 cazalla !up awokestillY2K
06:29 awokestillY2K oh
06:29 cazalla shame that nearly all of 'em don't give as much as a smile
06:30 awokestillY2K sorry, thats on me
06:30 awokestillY2K https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2z9lkNn6zQ
06:30 assbot Bali High OST - "Bali High" [Official Video] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dnoD40 )
06:37 awokestillY2K ^
06:38 cazalla !up sinetek
06:38 awokestillY2K !up sinetek
06:38 cazalla ya know if you regged a fucking gpg key ya might be able to do that awokestillY2K
06:39 awokestillY2K when eulora has instructions
06:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23989 @ 0.00041485 = 9.9518 BTC [+] {2}
06:40 awokestillY2K whats ur story sinetek?
06:40 cazalla awokestillY2K, it does
06:40 awokestillY2K where?
06:41 cazalla awokestillY2K, see it is already starting http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-27/us-supreme-court-ruling-same-sex-marriage-australia-debate-mps/6578058
06:41 assbot US Supreme Court ruling in favour of same-sex marriage could influence debate in Australia, federal politicians say - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1dnp7Hv )
06:41 awokestillY2K dafuq?
06:47 awokestillY2K https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-Dsq41LY28
06:47 assbot Apartment - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dnpAJC )
06:50 awokestillY2K https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3NWOa6K7MI
06:50 assbot Major Lazer & DJ Snake - Lean On (Feat. MØ) (Jonas Aden Remix) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dnpLEL )
06:55 awokestillY2K https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqeW9_5kURI
06:55 assbot Major Lazer & DJ Snake - Lean On (feat. MØ) (Official Music Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dnq56y )
06:56 awokestillY2K 0 princesses
07:00 lobbesbot New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Heiko ; ) || Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=30064771079 (Heiko ; )
07:00 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpoJ9K )
07:01 punkman lots of empty ATMs from what I hear
07:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18689 @ 0.00040982 = 7.6591 BTC [-]
07:10 punkman !up awokestillY2K
07:10 awokestillY2K greek atms?
07:10 punkman ye
07:10 punkman also acquaintances told to come back monday when they tried to take out cash yesterday
07:11 punkman before then announcement that is
07:11 punkman *the
07:12 awokestillY2K look on the bright side, youll prolly get cool aussie polymer notes u can swim wit
07:12 awokestillY2K we're tight with the imf
07:12 punkman gonna be a fun week I guess
07:12 awokestillY2K !g red diamond
07:13 awokestillY2K argyles autioning the reddest stone ever
07:15 awokestillY2K http://www.businessinsider.com.au/photos-the-2015-argyle-pink-diamond-tender-2015-6 shes in fashion
07:16 assbot PHOTOS: The 2015 Argyle pink diamond tender | Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1JppSy1 )
07:17 awokestillY2K https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNPA68htGxk
07:17 assbot Suede - She's In Fashion - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JppUpM )
07:21 awokestillY2K euro was a fucked idea from day 1
07:22 awokestillY2K really what r u selling?
07:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66000 @ 0.00041953 = 27.689 BTC [+] {5}
07:24 awokestillY2K punkman might not care but erry useless cunt on the floor wants out
07:25 awokestillY2K thats about right eh punk?
07:25 punkman yeah everyone taking out their 500eur to keep under the mattress
07:25 awokestillY2K meanwhile errone with a shed heres syntheticing diamonds
07:26 punkman gonna be a great week for burglars
07:26 awokestillY2K really?
07:27 punkman well not hard to hide 10 bills, but I'm sure there'll be some jackpots
07:28 awokestillY2K https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNPA68htGxk
07:28 assbot Suede - She's In Fashion - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RG7QGZ )
07:28 awokestillY2K wrong
07:29 awokestillY2K https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emutat3_IP0
07:29 assbot John Farnham - Pressure Down - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RG7TTm )
07:29 awokestillY2K wronger
07:30 punkman here ya go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nAH97GazGo
07:30 assbot Σπύρος γραμμένος & χορωδία "αγάπη ρε+" Έπεσα απ' τα σύννεφα - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RG7XlZ )
07:33 awokestillY2K whats tyhis\?
07:36 awokestillY2K tastes like lamb goat
07:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 306 @ 0.00629999 = 1.9278 BTC [-]
07:39 awokestillY2K where goat is best lamb,being most resourceful\
07:40 awokestillY2K i only eat the cheese, but still
07:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00041665 = 9.1246 BTC [-]
07:48 punkman !up awokestillY2K
07:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.00039718 = 9.4727 BTC [-]
07:52 awokestillY2K http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1vxlr7_cypress-hill-rusko-feat-damian-marley-can-t-keep-me-down_music <<<flaggededest
07:52 assbot Cypress Hill & Rusko feat Damian Marley "Can't Keep Me Down" - Video Dailymotion ... ( http://bit.ly/1RG9DvN )
07:55 awokestillY2K senn dogg left after this
07:58 awokestillY2K do you even mine?
07:58 awokestillY2K pankkake?
07:58 awokestillY2K back pon a forum
07:59 awokestillY2K u think we dont wake up and check github?
07:59 awokestillY2K we need u bruz
08:00 awokestillY2K whatever
08:03 awokestillY2K https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU769XX_dIQ
08:03 assbot Nicki Minaj - Only (Lyric) ft. Drake, Lil Wayne, Chris Brown - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RGavQY )
08:07 awokestillY2K u need to make you a sword?
08:07 awokestillY2K i think i owe u 0.5
08:10 awokestillY2K https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQBttKoetqo
08:10 assbot paranoid black sabbath (lyrics included) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1fMDx5D )
08:10 punkman sword or machete
08:11 awokestillY2K machete dont text
08:11 awokestillY2K and is heavy
08:11 awokestillY2K fuck a gookface
08:11 awokestillY2K gookface gets +5
08:13 awokestillY2K https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71Lft6EQh-Y
08:13 assbot full metal jacket intro monologue - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RGbf8Q )
~ 37 minutes ~
08:51 punkman !up BtQqZrS6gLw
08:51 punkman are those brainwallets
08:52 BtQqZrS6gLw nah that kylie minogue circa '93\
08:52 BtQqZrS6gLw 0 brain
08:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98758 @ 0.00039335 = 38.8465 BTC [-] {4}
09:00 BtQqZrS6gLw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHguy4xHGSg
09:00 assbot Future - Move That Dope ft. Pharrell Williams, Pusha T - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpyPHC )
09:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21762 @ 0.00039198 = 8.5303 BTC [-] {2}
09:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9588 @ 0.00039113 = 3.7502 BTC [-] {2}
09:07 BtQqZrS6gLw http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2t1kzo < buried to the bingoboingos
09:07 assbot The Dukes of Hazzard S03E18 By-Line, Daisy Duke - Video Dailymotion ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpzrgF )
09:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00039587 = 4.7504 BTC [+]
09:13 BtQqZrS6gLw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm8duRDsS8E
09:13 assbot WOLF CREEK Trailer (HD) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpA4a3 )
09:18 BtQqZrS6gLw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-yj2Gv2Zq8
09:18 assbot Machete Dildo - You're a Cop (Anal Cunt Cover) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpAyNd )
09:20 BtQqZrS6gLw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5hA5EuwVfA
09:20 assbot Machete Don't Text! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FGVN5f )
09:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00039587 = 1.0491 BTC [+]
09:27 punkman !up doyouevenpan
09:28 doyouevenpan machete being the motherfuckinest
09:30 doyouevenpan put the fuck on a horse hell inver and ride pon the belly strap
09:31 punkman http://hexatomium.github.io/2015/06/26/ms-very-quietly-adds-18-new-trusted-root-certs/
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09:31 assbot Microsoft quietly pushes 18 new trusted root certificates · HA ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpC3eh )
09:33 doyouevenpan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVfA9r-AVOg <this is gonna hurt
09:33 assbot Daryl Braithwaite - One Summer - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpCfKu )
09:37 doyouevenpan i challenge bb to karaoke this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwoK0u52Tw4
09:37 assbot Kaoma - Lambada (HQ) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpCGEI )
09:39 doyouevenpan better draw a line on fat hate
09:41 doyouevenpan eureka!
09:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00039443 = 8.8352 BTC [-]
09:42 doyouevenpan u need a seamstress tape?
09:42 doyouevenpan just go around!
09:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35753 @ 0.00039112 = 13.9837 BTC [-]
09:46 doyouevenpan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSKJQ18ZoIA
09:46 assbot Ritchie Valens - La Bamba - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FGWXxH )
09:47 doyouevenpan dh4
09:48 doyouevenpan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSuHVYv_dh4
09:48 assbot Earache My Eye Metal - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FGX4JE )
09:48 doyouevenpan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJW67QN24SA
09:48 assbot Cheech & Chong - Earache My Eye - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpDUzT )
09:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17985 @ 0.00040181 = 7.2266 BTC [+] {2}
09:51 doyouevenpan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alyx4QeRRdg < vuples
09:51 assbot Cheech & Chong - Low Rider - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpEfme )
09:53 doyouevenpan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcmvwFcfWmY
09:53 assbot Rockin' Robin (Original) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpEu0m )
09:56 doyouevenpan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IxMxZ6E0T4
09:56 assbot Cheech and Chong - Me and my old lady - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FGXsrL )
10:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48000 @ 0.00039429 = 18.9259 BTC [-] {3}
10:16 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1178993 << run moar winblowz!
10:16 assbot Logged on 27-06-2015 13:31:15; punkman: http://hexatomium.github.io/2015/06/26/ms-very-quietly-adds-18-new-trusted-root-certs/
10:17 punkman (tm)
10:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00039107 = 10.246 BTC [-]
10:34 decimation asciilifeform: heres yer mandatory keys
~ 25 minutes ~
10:59 asciilifeform ;;later tell mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/protocol_8cpp.html << do you know of a way to constrain the width of the graphical diagrams ? (such that they might fit on a reasonable display...)
10:59 assbot bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/v0531-wPatchesApplied.txt }: bitcoin/src/protocol.cpp File Reference ... ( http://bit.ly/1eP1XeR )
10:59 gribble The operation succeeded.
11:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22680 @ 0.0004091 = 9.2784 BTC [+]
11:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00040932 = 12.1977 BTC [+] {2}
11:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00040875 = 11.0363 BTC [-]
11:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46800 @ 0.00039999 = 18.7195 BTC [-] {3}
11:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41859 @ 0.00039894 = 16.6992 BTC [-]
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11:55 asciilifeform http://public.wsu.edu/~jackdoll/jak/comp/z80/z80p.htm << yes - computer!
11:55 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1SSGb8f )
11:55 asciilifeform (and is that a bagpipe ?!)
11:56 mats hue hue
11:57 mats four months of trading on mpex has turned 40btc into almost 80
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11:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00039894 = 8.9363 BTC [-]
11:57 asciilifeform mats beat my record, l0l
11:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23257 @ 0.00039894 = 9.2781 BTC [-]
11:59 * asciilifeform shudders to think how much time he would blow on mpexing if he still had account
11:59 mats it helps that i have a window open for this channel most of the day
12:00 asciilifeform i think just about everybody here has a separate display panel for it...
12:00 * asciilifeform does
12:01 chetty me doesn't
12:01 asciilifeform chetty doesn't need one, lives in the meat b-a
12:05 chetty :D
12:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00039164 = 6.8341 BTC [-] {2}
12:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00040353 = 1.8966 BTC [+]
12:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00040353 = 4.2572 BTC [+]
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12:40 mod6 asciilifeform: hi, no unfortunately I end up doing a bunch of side-scrolling too.
12:46 mod6 when I get a chance, i'll see if there is anything to be done about it. (if anyone has any suggestions, let me know)
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13:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.000392 = 20.3056 BTC [-] {3}
13:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37614 @ 0.00040103 = 15.0843 BTC [+] {3}
13:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2599 @ 0.00041272 = 1.0727 BTC [+]
13:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3053 @ 0.00039618 = 1.2095 BTC [-]
13:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15234 @ 0.00039618 = 6.0354 BTC [-]
13:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29816 @ 0.00039119 = 11.6637 BTC [-] {2}
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13:55 punkman https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9790544
13:55 assbot Ask HN: Why don't tech companies build dorms on campus? | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWYWTZ )
13:57 asciilifeform doesn't google corp. have'em ?
13:57 punkman not sure
13:57 punkman common in china though, works well for them
14:01 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-06-2015#1178678 << related to >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2014#749841
14:01 assbot Logged on 27-06-2015 03:32:52; decimation: he has some interesting posts relating chinese history: https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2015/06/06/giving-the-handle/
14:01 assbot Logged on 09-07-2014 00:04:59; asciilifeform: pierce << ideal example of the animal described on one of mircea_popescu's essays - he could be packed into prison for life, any time, based on what's in his file. so he does as instructed.
14:02 asciilifeform 'giving the handle' is how pedos came to play their seemingly disproportionate share in all american structures, from sport clubs to state governments
14:03 mats hacker dorms is a common thing
14:03 mats e.g. 'Workday'
14:03 asciilifeform whassat
14:05 mats software company that puts interns in such dorms for the summer
14:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18401 @ 0.00041261 = 7.5924 BTC [+] {2}
14:08 lobbesbot New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (Christoph Giesel ; ) || Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (Christoph Giesel ; )
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14:08 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1eKZkup )
14:10 mats in exchange they get to put on their resume, 'Associate Software Engineer -- Workday, Inc'
14:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00040851 = 10.2945 BTC [-] {2}
14:10 mats i would not want to live and breathe work but to each their own
14:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24036 @ 0.00039194 = 9.4207 BTC [-]
14:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.00039194 = 14.7369 BTC [-]
14:19 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1179037 < hey congrats
14:19 assbot Logged on 27-06-2015 15:57:03; mats: four months of trading on mpex has turned 40btc into almost 80
14:21 asciilifeform mats: many of the arguments against 'google dorm' don't hold water. e.g., the current 'collect 200k/y salary, give 180k/y to housing racket' system is just as impoverishing; 'lose your job, lose your housing' is just as true now for the fools paying those 180k to live in auto range of palo alto etc.; the squalor is just the same in the palo alto 'efficiency' flat as in any dorm; and so forth
14:22 mats its really not that much for housing
14:23 mats you can rent 1br1ba with living room in santa clara for ~2500/mo
14:23 asciilifeform mats: if you're willing to spend half the day in a car
14:23 mats which is 25mins commute from e.g. infinity loop
14:23 mats (former resident of cupertino here)
14:24 asciilifeform there's gotta be a catch
14:24 mats there is not
14:24 asciilifeform tanstaafl (tm) (r)
14:24 mats marginally more hispanics and crime but not noticeable
14:25 asciilifeform mats: so how do you explain the astronomical real estate near the sv gas giants ?
14:26 mats im not saying its not reasonable
14:27 mats but service industry slaves do get by with living within driving distance and renting
14:27 asciilifeform and cabbies spend 12h/day in car, what of it
14:27 mats you won't get the lifestyle seen on HBO's Silicon Valley but it is workable
14:28 asciilifeform l0l the folks in 'silicon valley' live in a flophouse
14:28 mats i refer to kid being promoted beyond competence who buys yacht
14:28 asciilifeform but yes, if the show were realistic they would spend most of each episode in traffic
14:31 asciilifeform obligatory >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2014#607598
14:31 assbot Logged on 06-04-2014 14:59:26; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok. considering the what/how debate as accepted foundation : at any time there's a number of turkeys and a number of engineers.
14:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9204 @ 0.00039194 = 3.6074 BTC [-]
14:47 mats http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/apa/5090668562.html << condominiums
14:47 assbot Unwind Better on the Balcony of This 1BR/1BA Apartment Today! ... ( http://bit.ly/1KhKJlB )
14:49 mats heh, 645 sq ft
14:50 asciilifeform bet it's got no dishwasher
14:50 asciilifeform (pestilentially common problem where i live, on the other coast, also)
14:51 asciilifeform sorta like having no toilet
14:51 asciilifeform yes, you can live there...
14:55 mats you have my condolences
14:55 jurov as it happens... i have no dishwasher, too
14:56 asciilifeform does jurov have dishes ?
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14:56 jurov lol i do. but nothing that can't be washed in 5 minutes
14:58 jurov and since there's pub with good food and kebap around the corner...
14:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56650 @ 0.00039163 = 22.1858 BTC [-] {2}
14:59 * asciilifeform used to do that
15:00 asciilifeform jurov: the bleeding edge of this, as i understand, is jp, where you can live in a kind of 'coffin'
15:00 asciilifeform looks sorta like the multi-'resident' mausoleums in b-a cemetery
15:01 asciilifeform open vault, squeeze in, sleep (or watch movies on the little screen)
15:01 jurov i see... but i kinda like to get served and meet neighbors in that pub
15:02 asciilifeform well yes. sleep in coffin, then get up, pub.
15:02 jurov yay!
15:03 jurov when i got a window fixed some months ago, asked them to add external blinds
15:03 jurov and i do use them to have darkness like in coffin :D
15:03 asciilifeform got those here, works great
15:04 asciilifeform except that sometimes forget to wake up
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15:04 jurov ^that
15:04 jurov ;;ticker
15:04 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 248.86, Best ask: 248.87, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 248.87, 24 hour volume: 14381.80943877, 24 hour low: 241.45, 24 hour high: 249.77, 24 hour vwap: None
15:04 jurov did xinhua say anything?
15:06 mats no
15:08 asciilifeform jurov: http://imgur.com/dGBgxvL << the tombs in question
15:08 assbot Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1KhLUl7 )
15:09 jurov haha doesn't look very comfortable
15:09 asciilifeform the ones for live customers in jp are a bit cushier iirc
15:10 mats they prefer the term 'space pods'
15:10 jurov and if, i'd prefer to get cremated every evening instead
15:10 asciilifeform !b 6
15:10 assbot Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3ZQWZTV.txt )
15:11 asciilifeform phoenix hotel.
15:14 mats  ;;calc [ticker --currency CNY --last]/[ticker --currency USD --last]
15:14 mats ;;calc [ticker --currency CNY --last]/[ticker --currency USD --last]
15:14 gribble Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
15:15 mats useless
15:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00039778 = 7.9158 BTC [+] {2}
15:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.0004012 = 13.8013 BTC [+]
15:29 shinohai !up TRS80`
15:30 shinohai $fap.lesbian
15:30 TRS80` shinohai: 2013-03-29T12:00:00+0000: Nasty Lesbian Threesome <http://galleries.badlesbiangirls.com/photos/190/?t1/pps=house>
15:35 shinohai $part
15:46 lobbesbot New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=11 (Trustcenter_EU ; )
15:46 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpoJ9K )
15:53 punkman lots of germans eh
15:58 asciilifeform ;;later tell lobbes can haz the url of phuctored key preserved in bot ? ty
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15:58 gribble The operation succeeded.
16:05 shinohai @ asciilifeform I made a phuctored command for my bot so I can always see the latest keys
16:07 scoopbot_revived Long Term Update https://btctrading.wordpress.com/2015/06/27/long-term-update-8/
16:07 jurov asciilifeform stuff like this would deserve link shortener http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F23D7F58ABF380DED38B90B7A863487995DE825B7123B745156A8C49D63469DE#6A592C27FA423D7611456BE2AB693337463EA07754CAA07957D6AFCFA63984E2
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16:08 assbot Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1KhPjQX )
16:10 shinohai $phuctor 5
16:10 shinohai well
16:11 shinohai $part
16:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60676 @ 0.00039062 = 23.7013 BTC [-] {3}
16:11 shinohai Hmmm. I think I will give that a shot
16:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65174 @ 0.00038989 = 25.4107 BTC [-] {2}
16:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00038855 = 11.7731 BTC [-] {2}
16:39 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1179037 << i thought you didn't exist.
16:39 assbot Logged on 27-06-2015 15:57:03; mats: four months of trading on mpex has turned 40btc into almost 80
16:40 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1179073 << hey could it link to the actual key page rather than the rss ?
16:40 assbot Logged on 27-06-2015 18:08:28; lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (Christoph Giesel ; ) || Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (Christoph Giesel ; )
16:40 * asciilifeform asked this today..
16:41 mircea_popescu ah.
16:41 mircea_popescu and in other news... 73.
16:41 mircea_popescu Trustcenter_EU <trust@mch.sbs.de>; among the lulziest.
16:41 asciilifeform thrustcenter
16:41 mircea_popescu lol
16:43 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1179158 << it's a hash. and chopping hashes is quite possibly how we ended up on planet with phuctorable keys in the first place!
16:43 assbot Logged on 27-06-2015 20:07:59; jurov: asciilifeform stuff like this would deserve link shortener http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F23D7F58ABF380DED38B90B7A863487995DE825B7123B745156A8C49D63469DE#6A592C27FA423D7611456BE2AB693337463EA07754CAA07957D6AFCFA63984E2
16:45 jurov i see. full hashes should be used everywhere. except for btc-dev patches ;D
16:45 mircea_popescu heh
16:45 mircea_popescu not like anyon ahahahaha zing
16:45 mircea_popescu not like anyone types those by hand or tries to memorize them jurov
16:45 mircea_popescu what's the actual ux case for shortening it.
16:45 jurov btw, have you seen my conclusion that gpg signature does not contain anything useful?
16:45 asciilifeform jurov: yes!
16:46 asciilifeform jurov: you were quite right, it won't do, and i oughta have remembered this factoid
16:46 mircea_popescu assbot: Unwind Better on the Balcony of This 1BR/1BA Apartment Today! <<< ahahaha omfg.
16:46 asciilifeform but munged filenames still stink
16:47 mircea_popescu i'd have so much trouble paying more than 4, maaaaybe 500 bucks for something like that....
16:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 500 buys a doghouse here. don't even want to imagine what it buys on west coast usa
16:47 jurov well. i am sending hashes in headers too, but getting anyone to use them...
16:47 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1179112 << don't be a noob. dishes are merely the expansion of an invisible slave empire. if you have jets you better have slave hands to go to the farmer market, and to fill the dishes, anbd to wash the dishes.
16:47 assbot Logged on 27-06-2015 18:56:30; asciilifeform: does jurov have dishes ?
16:48 mircea_popescu jurov i suspect trhat is the correct approach : add to the header space.
16:48 asciilifeform whatever happened to the dark future of robot slaves
16:49 mircea_popescu fuck that.
16:49 mircea_popescu figuratively speaking.
16:49 asciilifeform see, i'm one of those weirdos who keeps, for instance, a computerized vacuum cleaner
16:49 asciilifeform because 1) no i won't do it with bare hands 2) yes, could pay people, but i ~fucking hate people~
16:49 mircea_popescu in other news, omfg bitcoind is a hog.
16:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: which one ?
16:50 mircea_popescu the stock one.
16:50 mircea_popescu we fucking forget. omfg the thing... no wonder nobody runs it. i doubt very much it can be run. like, at all.
16:50 asciilifeform (yes, they're all porcine, but which hog? the little piglet, the muscular european boar, or the half-tonne monster fucked on midwest usa farms ..?)
16:50 mircea_popescu i am looking at 10!!111 load on a 8 cpu, 32 gb raid ssd machine.
16:51 asciilifeform it doesn't parallelize
16:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu oughtaknowthat
16:51 mircea_popescu the cpu utilization is actually low, but the load is immense because i dunno wtf it does but something stupid.
16:51 asciilifeform i/o
16:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah, it's multithreaded doesn't parallelize :D
16:51 mircea_popescu it's from teh future.
16:51 asciilifeform there's precisely 1 thread that does actual werk
16:52 asciilifeform (if you like thinking about scary dangerous forkz, picture changing this!)
16:53 jurov mircea_popescu: did you publish your addy? it may be an attack
16:53 mircea_popescu this is an unadvertised test run of various releases.
16:53 jurov my 0.10 is chugging around on celeron+5400rpm spinning rot okay
16:54 mircea_popescu the advertised seeder has been working more or less ok - it's not being attacked more than is implicit in the protocol lol.
16:54 mircea_popescu something to the tune of 30ish connections, which seems reasonable for a day old peer.
16:54 jurov o it still syncs?
16:56 jurov lol no it actually died
16:56 jurov 2015-06-27 19:30:42 ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool : nonstandard transaction: dust
16:56 jurov 2015-06-27 19:30:48 ERROR: ReadBlockFromDisk : OpenBlockFile failed
16:56 jurov ^last log before croaking
16:56 asciilifeform http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/bchafy/tiny/tinyterminal.html << archaeological interest
16:56 assbot Smallest 80x25 PC display for less than $20 and other tiny screens ... ( http://bit.ly/1LuZkLq )
16:57 mircea_popescu jurov so wait, is this your 0.10 that was working ok ?
16:57 jurov was.
16:57 mircea_popescu lol
16:57 mircea_popescu "oh my computer is working fine with bitcoind stopped on it"
16:58 mircea_popescu as an absolute prerequisite to any sort of block increase we ABSOLUTELY MUST clean up these shit-stables
16:58 jurov it ran for months till hour and half ago
16:59 jurov watching it restart...
17:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform btw in the spirit of the "connect" issue : having public and private data separate is iirc not supported STILL. you gotta keep the wallet.dat in same place you keep the blockchain. gold help you if you want it encrypted.
17:04 asciilifeform wallet has to be sawn off as discussed in the past
17:04 mircea_popescu this without going into why the wallet.dat, after being plaintext for a coupla years, was only half-ass encryupted.
17:04 scoopbot_revived A second crack at that scary thing. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/27/a-second-crack-at-that-scary-thing/
17:04 asciilifeform anything short of that is waste of time
17:04 asciilifeform (wallet on separate box, z80 if you like, etc)
17:04 mircea_popescu wasn't trying to write policy, just bemoan existing insanity.
17:05 asciilifeform if you just want it in some other dir, symlink...
17:05 mircea_popescu i just amply dislike ~the design~ of it.
17:06 asciilifeform not even sure what there is to ~like~ in the design
17:06 asciilifeform it successfully passes for microshit product, stylistically (and in many ways functionally)
17:07 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1179126 << i have them too, the result is that i sometimes forget to sleep./
17:07 assbot Logged on 27-06-2015 19:04:04; asciilifeform: except that sometimes forget to wake up
17:07 asciilifeform same effect here.
17:07 asciilifeform and i don't have a clock (other than emacs clock) in the room either
17:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ahaha if it turns out this was actually written by poor ms indian slavebois, who kept anon simply because of the draconing IP contracts thery had signed...
17:07 asciilifeform or buried alive with the thing
17:07 asciilifeform egyptian-style
17:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's a wonder i even managed to make the conference at all. i haven't had a watch or aty allcared about time in a decade.
17:08 mircea_popescu at some point travelling i was like "fuck it, WHO CARES what time they thinkg it is."
17:08 asciilifeform wat, mircea_popescu doesn't have a girl follow him around imitating clock hands with arms, legs...?!
17:08 mircea_popescu nah.
17:09 mircea_popescu there is a "no undies - i wanna be able to fondle your cunt" rule, but s'about all.
17:09 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski i have nfi what you're proposing, but my thinking is that it's more expensive and less productive to think proactively rather than reactively.
17:10 mircea_popescu once a bot or w/e goes off, we see what we do. before, we don't give a shit.
17:10 * asciilifeform mumbles something about parachutes
17:10 mircea_popescu this of course is painful for every good white boy to hear, as it's strictly antipattern and countercultural,
17:10 mircea_popescu and im sure it exactly - irritates alf's parachutes.
17:10 mircea_popescu nevertheless, there is great benefit to being antipattern countercultural when being a guerilla.
17:11 asciilifeform of course folks often forget the other thing about the parachute thing - in sov army, they usedta make you sign it, 'i folded this parachute myself. signed, pvt. schmuck'
17:11 mircea_popescu if it made sense to not be thus, you couldn't be, ~COULD NOT BE~ a guerilla if you wanted to
17:11 mircea_popescu which is why gi joe is so useless in the field.
17:12 mircea_popescu other than that, published code is a good idea, sure. but also - anything is its maker property, and the people in question makin things can best decide what to do with it.
17:12 asciilifeform phun phakt: my father was conscripted into a parachutist regiment. and by that time (late '60s) schmucks were no longer! permitted to fold their own.
17:12 asciilifeform sergeant folded.
17:12 mircea_popescu i think most everyone's using github or w/e - but it wouldn't maybe be such a bad idea to start putting deeds out with the code bundles. with instructions. "run this so and so"
17:12 mircea_popescu asciilifeform heh
17:12 asciilifeform turned out, the 'fold your own' thing resulted in too many (from pov of command) splats.
17:13 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: deeds with code bundles and instructions makes sense.
17:14 pete_dushenski and i have no qualms with reacting to circumstance, i'm more getting at : what's to be done with unassigned functions
17:14 mircea_popescu pick a gun pick a post.
17:14 mircea_popescu how every revolutionary war was ever won.
17:14 pete_dushenski pick a gun, pick a post ? not familiar with this one
17:14 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: here's an unassigned gun for some eager fella: crap out an ibmpc buildroot for therealbitcoin. as in, something one could throw in the iso slot at a datacentre
17:15 mircea_popescu a loosely maintained list of posts, and a loosely maintained list of "don't shoot that way dummy" makes sense, but s'about all.
17:15 asciilifeform ideally, no install, just finds a block device and shits blockchain to it
17:15 asciilifeform without asking questions
17:15 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: nvm, got the post-gun thing now
17:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know this isn't a random process. what makes you think it's for him ?
17:15 asciilifeform it isn't
17:15 asciilifeform just example!
17:15 mircea_popescu aha.
17:15 asciilifeform of an empty post
17:16 mircea_popescu atm the entry level thing for coders is, "follow the pogo thing, build along, test cases etc". for non-coders is, qntra.
17:16 mircea_popescu for artists i suppose it's eulora work etc. there's really no shortage o shit to do.
17:17 mircea_popescu kinda why i keep asking people "who are you". nobody seems to ever be anyone, which is odd, but anyway.
17:17 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: the ibmpc buildroot sounds like a spec for the 'trilema jobs board'
17:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu is really asking'em 'кто ты по жизни'
17:17 mircea_popescu aye.
17:17 asciilifeform and they don't feel like answering, so we can sorta guess!
17:18 mircea_popescu hehe wouldn't go that far
17:18 mircea_popescu "the demands of meatspace readily overwhelm the demands of #bitcoin-assets" << this is everyone's own measure to measure.
17:18 asciilifeform i propose the standard unit of measure be '1 moiety'
17:18 pete_dushenski insert "may" in there, mentally
17:18 asciilifeform large unit, like farad
17:19 mircea_popescu i don't see why i'd want to have an equivalent of the mcd supervisor, calling people at home to remind them they work.
17:19 mircea_popescu just not what this thing's supposed to be, in my dreams.
17:20 pete_dushenski well, people still need incentives
17:20 pete_dushenski sometimes financial, sometimes honourary, sometimes a million other things in a million other ways
17:21 mircea_popescu yes, but the deliberate design of incentive structures is a bad idea.
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17:21 mircea_popescu because the only thing it does is select for and breed rats.
17:21 mircea_popescu much like tests in school select for and breed test takers.
17:23 pete_dushenski hm. i have more mulling to do on the topic, it seems.
17:23 mircea_popescu for that matter, people also need self-esteem. i'm not about to "provide" it for them, in vacu-sealed packages. and they need to hunt, which does not reduce to "i'ma let a half dozen naked girlies loose in their room see what happens". that's how rich people destroy their children.
17:23 pete_dushenski is providing something to hunt, or the directions to the hunting field, not 'incentive structure' ?
17:24 mircea_popescu seems you've fucked that hole into some looseness by now...
17:24 asciilifeform didn't mircea_popescu teach us that holes work-anneal ?
17:24 mircea_popescu real ones, yes.
17:24 asciilifeform (like aluminum)
17:24 mircea_popescu kinda how you know if you're fucking live or plastic.
17:26 mircea_popescu (btw - never ask virgin to clamp down on you. it's a little discussed fact that vast majority of penis captivus cases come out of something lik that)
17:27 * asciilifeform never saw anything like solid evidence that said effect actually exists in man
17:27 mircea_popescu (because of the tearing, vagal never innervation makes the smooth muscles over-reactive)
17:27 mircea_popescu does, does.
17:27 mircea_popescu ;;google vaginismus
17:27 gribble Vaginismus: Causes, Symptoms, and Treatment - WebMD: <http://www.webmd.com/women/guide/vaginismus-causes-symptoms-treatments>; Vaginismus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaginismus>; When Sex Hurts – Vaginismus - SOGC: <http://sogc.org/publications/when-sex-hurts-vaginismus/>
17:27 asciilifeform ^ not same as captivus
17:28 mircea_popescu but very related. a spasm is always at the root of both
17:28 mircea_popescu think of pc as "vaginismus that declared while guy was inside"
17:28 asciilifeform well yes, this is the theory
17:29 mircea_popescu (amusingly enough, romanian even has expression to describe this in man - "s-or catelit" ie, they've doggied themselves)
17:29 asciilifeform but evidence for actual case of 'stuck' (in man, not dog) is approx. on par with evidence for loch ness dinosaur
17:29 mircea_popescu you can't get stuck in dog.
17:29 mircea_popescu missing some anatomy.
17:29 asciilifeform dog in dog
17:29 mircea_popescu ah
17:29 asciilifeform (where this is sop)
17:30 mircea_popescu anyway, nah, it happens.
17:30 mircea_popescu dja regard priapismus in same light incidentally ?
17:30 asciilifeform nah that one's bog-simple anatomically
17:30 asciilifeform and pestilentially common
17:30 mircea_popescu aha. same principle tho.
17:30 mircea_popescu innervation driven muscular spasms blocks blood egress
17:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45560 @ 0.00039442 = 17.9698 BTC [+] {2}
17:31 mircea_popescu ftr, there is no serious evidence as to the exact fisiology of vaginismus either.
17:31 mircea_popescu just accepted.
17:32 mircea_popescu The Most Serene Republic Of~ << this sounds great i gotta say.
17:34 pete_dushenski twas a mighty invention, that.
17:34 * asciilifeform owns a book with title 'the of' on the spine
17:35 mircea_popescu "I am Hilde, from the Most Serene Republic of Tilde"
17:36 pete_dushenski sounds blonde
17:36 asciilifeform hilde, the she-wolf of tildeschwitz
17:38 mircea_popescu ahaha
17:38 mircea_popescu totally. tildeschwitz.
17:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00038756 = 4.6895 BTC [-]
17:39 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/motivation.html << re: article - see also.
17:39 assbot Studies Find Reward Often No Motivator - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1fWBSKT )
17:40 mircea_popescu rewards work well if they're genuine.
17:40 * pete_dushenski reading
17:40 jurov haha, so far "eulora client hacker" positions were filled quickest
17:40 mircea_popescu which is to say : come from things not people.
17:40 jurov dunno about reward there
17:40 asciilifeform genuine in the sense that 'i killed this bison myself'
17:40 mircea_popescu jurov you can fly!
17:40 mircea_popescu asciilifeform exactly.
17:40 mircea_popescu the bison - genuinely died.
17:41 asciilifeform and tasty
17:41 mircea_popescu how tasty it is never amounts to much impediment.
17:41 asciilifeform well, at least rudimentarily edible
17:41 mircea_popescu cum's the tastiest thing i nature from what i hear, nobody hunts the cock.
17:41 punkman I trimmed the bison's butthairs, but they grew back.
17:41 mircea_popescu actually... nevermind. my burgeois mentality betrays me.,
17:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00040059 = 11.4969 BTC [+] {3}
17:44 jurov orly, nobody hunts the cocks?
17:46 jurov scientia sciolorum est mixta ignorantia
17:49 jurov (just some snippet i found today, might be vaguely related, but smells by lingua latina canina)
17:50 jurov https://lurkmore.to/Lingua_latina_non_penis_canina lmao
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17:50 assbot Lingua latina non penis canina — Lurkmore ... ( http://bit.ly/1dpchbL )
17:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16490 @ 0.00040105 = 6.6133 BTC [+]
17:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16869 @ 0.00040226 = 6.7857 BTC [+] {2}
17:58 jurov my favourite motto was lately "Historia meretrix vitae" .. on seeing these examples I'm thinking how to get it more...er.. penetrating
18:01 mircea_popescu lol
18:10 pete_dushenski https://www.google.ca/finance?q=SHA%3A000001&ei=_R6PVaHrOoWo2AaA5YPYDw << shanghai composite index taking a tumble of late.
18:10 assbot SSE Composite Index: SHA:000001 quotes & news – Google Finance ... ( http://bit.ly/1dpeaoQ )
18:13 pete_dushenski also, google finance is as bad as gbtc on otcmarkets : "52 week 1,844.09 - 4,526.92" when peak is clearly 5166 on june 12
18:13 pete_dushenski how hard it this shit ?
18:15 pete_dushenski either way, an *index* losing 19% in two weeks is 2008-level of panic
18:17 jurov SHA got cracked?
18:17 williamdunne Down a flight of stairs
18:19 mats http://log.b-a.link/?date=27-06-2015#1179167 << ?
18:19 assbot Logged on 27-06-2015 20:39:10; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1179037 << i thought you didn't exist.
18:20 williamdunne http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1176379 << I win
18:20 assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 17:05:14; mircea_popescu: <danielpbarron> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1174811 << ya << shit, there go my ocr skills!
18:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00039984 = 7.0772 BTC [-] {3}
18:22 punkman http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Want-a-shorter-commute-Pay-900-to-live-in-a-6349066.php
18:22 assbot Want a shorter commute? Pay $900 a month to live in a tent near Google - SFGate ... ( http://bit.ly/1dpfbx8 )
18:23 asciilifeform ^ not tent
18:23 asciilifeform scam.
18:23 asciilifeform or hm, just irrelevant photo
18:24 asciilifeform 'Rented a tent, a tent, a tent; / Rented a tent, a tent, a tent. / Rented a tent! / Rented a tent! / Rented a, rented a tent.' -- k. vonnegut. 'sirens of titan' (1959)
18:26 pete_dushenski ;;ticker
18:26 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 251.3, Best ask: 251.31, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 251.32, 24 hour volume: 18319.32232325, 24 hour low: 242.6, 24 hour high: 251.77, 24 hour vwap: None
18:28 asciilifeform google folks should prepare for the 5000/mo tents.
18:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46550 @ 0.00041582 = 19.3564 BTC [+]
18:28 asciilifeform because market!
18:30 asciilifeform nobody cancelled marketz!
18:31 asciilifeform that they aren't breathing $5/litre air is only a matter of technological limitations.
18:31 asciilifeform when they can - will.
18:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76888 @ 0.00041664 = 32.0346 BTC [+] {2}
18:34 jurov free daily cremations!
18:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33350 @ 0.00039409 = 13.1429 BTC [-] {2}
18:58 williamdunne Any speculation on what's going to happen with Greece in the coming years then?
18:58 williamdunne Massive decline or outright collapse, followed by the rise of a Nazi party or similar?
18:58 jurov preposterous prosperity!
19:04 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1179302 << it certainly leads to, how shall i put it, "wordiness" on qntra. certainly not all the time, but that's the temptation.
19:04 assbot Logged on 27-06-2015 21:21:25; mircea_popescu: yes, but the deliberate design of incentive structures is a bad idea.
19:04 trinque pete_dushenski: part of the answer to the question of making the republic's bot services fault tolerant is getting them within a damn wotnet
19:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00041319 = 6.3218 BTC [+]
19:05 pete_dushenski how do you mean ?
19:06 trinque well, suppose for example someone hates freedom and steals deedbot.org from me
19:06 cazalla pete_dushenski, be specific because i go so far as to exclude the monthly reports from the word counts
19:07 pete_dushenski trinque: go on...
19:07 asciilifeform trinque: wotnet still made of people
19:07 trinque from within the wotnet I may (depending on its design) be able to explicitly delegate the hosting task to some other trusted party should I be absent
19:07 pete_dushenski cazalla: mostly bb's run-on redundancies.
19:08 pete_dushenski cazalla: i have no problem with network diff posts btw
19:08 trinque asciilifeform: yes but not made of DNS necessarily, or any particular IP
19:08 cazalla i really don't think he does that in order to scoop up a few additional shares though
19:08 mircea_popescu williamdunne no dude. greece has the african scam down pat.
19:08 mircea_popescu it's going to simply leech money off a different husband
19:09 mircea_popescu prolly, russia.
19:09 williamdunne Russia too broke, no?
19:09 williamdunne Maybe some Greek princes will emerge
19:09 mircea_popescu when did that happen ?
19:09 trinque they've got craploads of natural resources in their wallet aside from other things
19:09 trinque broke how?
19:09 pete_dushenski cazalla: the incentive is there is all, hard to tease out the psychology past that
19:09 mircea_popescu the greeks have exactly zero incentive to do anything other than "housewife" and haven't, for ~2300 years now.
19:09 mircea_popescu it's not changing./
19:10 pete_dushenski cazalla: it also encourages more frequent posting and more in-depth research, so i'm not saying it's an unreasonable trade-off
19:10 williamdunne trinque: Thought I'd read something about them not being willing to do so, can't find it now though so probably the effects of alcohol
19:11 mircea_popescu spend persia's money, spend rome's money, spend turks money, spend british money, spend usian money, they will spend someone else's money.
19:11 pete_dushenski cazalla: just that it's a function of 'inherently bad' incentive structures
19:11 trinque williamdunne | Maybe some Greek princes will emerge << how bout greek welfare queens?
19:11 trinque wahaha
19:11 mircea_popescu italians only woke up to the model a half millenium later, but basically doing the same.
19:11 williamdunne trinque: How can that emerge? Already exists nope?
19:11 trinque is joke comrade
19:11 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: americans will be next... in like 3 centuries
19:12 mircea_popescu Comrade Joke would be an excellent idea for a webcomic
19:12 mircea_popescu set in a faux soviet russia very much like present day us
19:12 mircea_popescu ends up in troubles.
19:12 trinque heh I'd read that
19:12 mircea_popescu me2.
19:12 mircea_popescu there, stuff for people to do. lol.
19:12 mircea_popescu the chan is REPLETE with shit to do.
19:13 pete_dushenski ha!
19:13 pete_dushenski just needs moar people ;)
19:13 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski as an exercise for you : what is the difference between the disruption caused by the absence of the comrade joke webcomic, which nobody has started yet, and the disruption caused by the absence of x service, which equally doesn't exist but at some point did ?
19:14 mircea_popescu same thing, it'd seem. "our enemies", ie, sloth and stupidity, have disrupted our webcomic. LET US TAKE MEASURES!11
19:14 williamdunne Can't miss what you don't know?
19:14 * asciilifeform is rather perplexed. who, exactly, is lacking for 'what to do' ?
19:14 mircea_popescu what measures could they be ? shift the active from this to that, therefore disrupting this now ?
19:15 asciilifeform there is so much 'to do' that you could eat with arse!
19:15 mircea_popescu williamdunne oh but i can.
19:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nonstandard stuff is nonstandard, disruption is disruption. the bitcoin (tmsr~) management model is simply difficult to grok
19:15 mircea_popescu much like bitcoin finance is so slippery, even for the best financial minds.
19:16 mircea_popescu they just break so irrationally with the past.
19:16 mircea_popescu not unlike trying to approximate pi on the basis of fortran four.
19:16 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: lol this break is exactly the point i'm making on my 'second crack' update
19:16 trinque man I kinda like that... putting tasks which need done in terms of that which they deprive the republic
19:16 trinque I suppose I'm sentimental
19:16 mircea_popescu trinque just as a mental exercise.
19:17 mircea_popescu to encourage people not to drive themselves mad.
19:17 pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/27/a-second-crack-at-that-scary-thing/ << aaaand updated.
19:17 assbot A second crack at that scary thing. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GHJY0p )
19:18 mircea_popescu i am kinda amused by pete's fundamentally tragic figure, btw.
19:19 mircea_popescu he writes these posts in the full knowledge that they'll be like... "NONE OF YOUR DIGITS ARE RIGHT MATE!!!. it's not 4, it's 3. not .0 but .1. not .x0 but .x4. not .xx0 but .xx1. not .xxx0 but .xxx5. etc.
19:19 mircea_popescu "your approximation of pi fails on every single point!111"
19:20 mircea_popescu "i'm trying to do it with integers!"
19:20 mircea_popescu "tough."
19:20 pete_dushenski a poet is me.
19:21 pete_dushenski one who enjoys making a public hash of things, just to let them breathe, then correct
19:21 pete_dushenski it's how i learn, i guess.
19:21 pete_dushenski hopefully others learning alongside !
19:22 trinque yeah keep 'em coming
19:23 pete_dushenski there has to be someone halfway up mt sinai, playing broken telephone between moses and the golden calf lovers.
19:24 pete_dushenski "that's not what i said you idjit !" "oh, my bad, let me try again !" "that's a bit better !"
19:25 trinque I wouldn't be a common lisp programmer by now if I hadn't aired a bunch of idiotic thoughts of my own on programming in public.
19:26 jurov mircea_popescu: another 0.9.1 runs fine for months, only with "errors" : "Warning: This version is obsolete, upgrade required!"
19:26 jurov not sure when they 'cated the warning
19:26 trinque asciilifeform: had a thought earlier driving around re: your observation that there are lisps in many fields: a high water mark reached, then from which retreated.
19:27 pete_dushenski trinque: gotta find the boundaries of the glass jar by ramming into it head-first
19:28 asciilifeform jurov: i spoke of this earlier. it isn't a gavinsignal in the usual sense, but is produced by the crud where version numbers in incoming messages are averaged and compared
19:28 trinque I recall someone making the point that there can be greater distance between men than men and animals
19:28 asciilifeform jurov: it isn't in therealbitcoin
19:28 trinque lisps must occur where there were men orders of magnitude better than their contemporaries, such that the contemporaries barely had any idea what they were doing there
19:28 cazalla jurov, those warnings are the fucking things i've been getting every 2-3 weeks for months
19:28 trinque so they continued on and eventually engulfed the subject in their own shit
19:29 trinque that to me clearly points out the role of power in human life
19:29 trinque to *prevent* that from happening.
19:29 asciilifeform trinque: actually 'lisps' happen because the alternative would be a civilization that doesn't leak. and we don't have one of those to kick around
19:29 asciilifeform just as the slipless ratchet does not exist (and physically cannot. see feynman's perpetuum mobile)
19:29 trinque I don't follow "doesn't leak"
19:30 asciilifeform i.e. forget things
19:30 asciilifeform e.g., archimedes had basic integral calculus
19:30 asciilifeform but then went away for a while.
19:31 trinque probably not enough people got it when it first appeared?
19:31 trinque I recall some theory that this happened with the pyramids
19:31 asciilifeform trinque: 'wanting' wasn't enough in the age of hand-copied text
19:31 trinque there were earlier egyptians supposedly that knew how to make the things, then there were later egyptians that basically squatted on what was built before, having no idea how it got there
19:32 asciilifeform trinque: the ~other~ egyptians (today's) have zero to do with the folks who built pyramids
19:32 pete_dushenski alrighty, time to go run off all this ice cream i've been tragically eating. a la prochaine !
19:32 trinque asciilifeform: isn't this "leaking" more something like not having enough vessels to preserve it?
19:33 trinque someone towering comes along and he knows how to do X; yet without enough others that understood him, it'd make sense that the knowledge ends up lost
19:33 asciilifeform trinque is still thinking in his modern box where preserving things is easy, cheap, and something folks are generally fond of doing
19:33 trinque perhaps
19:34 trinque the vessels I meant were human heads
19:36 trinque I've heard it said that were the US to want to repeat Apollo, they'd have to practically start from scratch, as nearly everyone who had mastery over the processes used before are now dead
19:36 mircea_popescu jurov lawl errors.
19:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i find the proposition that "version numbers" are any sort of program signal utterly retarded.
19:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: write to gavin not me, l0l
19:37 mircea_popescu it's basically an implementation of racism. the presuposition being that the color of the skin conveniently summarizes the abilities of the thing contained in that skin
19:38 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> trinque: actually 'lisps' happen because the alternative would be a civilization that doesn't leak. and we don't have one of those to kick around << amusingly enough, re the earlier dog discussion : dog cunt seals, for this reason.
19:38 mircea_popescu i wonder what a civilisation of dogs would be like.
19:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: vernor vinge's 'fire upon the deep' had just this
19:39 mircea_popescu oh ?
19:39 asciilifeform it was lulzy
19:39 asciilifeform (had many lulz, not just this)
19:39 mircea_popescu i am apparently unfamiliar with the sfs of your home world.
19:40 asciilifeform that one's american
19:40 asciilifeform ultra-famous.
19:40 asciilifeform (and the ru translation is even better than original imho)
19:44 mircea_popescu "The recognition that rewards can have counter-productive effects is based on a variety of studies," << it is strictly based on a felonious substitution. it is exactly like saying "sex can be unpleasant for women" on the basis of the sex we practice being very violent rape.
19:44 mircea_popescu the shit the puritan us does for "rewards" is NOT the statu quo. it is just the retarded, intellectually bankrupt, morally offensive charicature of the world the usian puritans came up with.
19:45 asciilifeform hey, engineering constraint. just like sex in afghan means 'with donkey'
19:45 asciilifeform to 1st approx.
19:45 mircea_popescu so no. rewards reward. being associated with the refuse of white civilisation does neither reduce to that, nor stand for it, nor is a basis of a conclusion. of course nobody sane or thinking wishes to be associated with the filth.
19:45 mircea_popescu just like i wouldn't take a nobel on the basis that i do not wish to have the shiot they gave obama.
19:46 mircea_popescu "oh, recognition has ocunter-productive effects". no. perelman rejected the recognition you were offering BECAUSE IT CAME FROM YOU
19:46 mircea_popescu not "because it was recognition full stop".
19:46 mircea_popescu and no, promises to pay from josh garza are not bitcoin
19:46 mircea_popescu and no, the "opinions" of tim swanson are NOT opinions. because no wot. and so fucking on.
19:47 mircea_popescu the source matters first and foremost. just like you cant have "a message" without first having the key to decrypt the asc with
19:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31729 @ 0.00041387 = 13.1317 BTC [+]
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20:24 asciilifeform http://a4lg.com/memo/2014-12-14/seccon-2014-online-quals-crypto400.html << student exercise
20:24 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GHU4hY )
20:24 asciilifeform (bad rsa key)
20:24 * trinque hunkers down for more clim hacking
20:25 trinque most fun I've had in years
20:25 trinque re: writing code
20:25 asciilifeform trinque: last time i played with clim under sbcl it was dog-slow
20:25 trinque haven't torqued it hard enough to know yet
20:25 trinque but the clarity
20:25 asciilifeform i mean, even for 'hello world'
20:25 trinque ah, no it's doing fine there
20:26 asciilifeform trinque must be using a recent cpu..
20:26 trinque lol yeah, doing fine with 3+ ghz and 8 cores
20:29 * trinque solemnly swears not to write his own linux distro with clim-based DE in a year
20:30 * trinque chants "do not give in to astonishment" as he fires up the clim listener
20:40 mircea_popescu actually it's quite possible the eventual b-a distribution is a sort of lisp "java machine"
20:40 mircea_popescu ie, what google's trying to do.
20:41 mircea_popescu in other news, women and incentives in tech. http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6uukgUutx1rayp8lo1_1280.jpg
20:41 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqDolh )
20:41 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i wasted years on this. destructive dead end, because ibm pc is a turd
20:41 asciilifeform i.e. the hardware can't be meaningfully abstracted over.
20:42 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so is seeking true love.
20:42 trinque can't build a VM for some syslisp which is then implemented later as hardware?
20:42 asciilifeform who doesn't believe me (and why should?) can go waste years himself. like the 'movitz' folks did
20:43 mircea_popescu nah, universal lisp bytecode!
20:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: straight to sbcl, where this is already a thing. plain computation works fine. it's when you get to i/o that you die
20:43 mircea_popescu universal io !
20:43 asciilifeform 'lisp doesn't need i/o.' --my brother
20:44 mircea_popescu if a lisp lisps in a ioless forest, has it still lisped ?
20:44 asciilifeform (in point of fact, it doesn't even need an ALU... church numerals!!)
20:47 trinque I'm just glad I figured out I needed to relearn programming at 28 rather than 58
20:49 trinque asciilifeform: how should IO look? what to read?
20:49 asciilifeform trinque: i/o in the very basic sense of talking to the framebuffer, nic, interrupt controller
20:50 asciilifeform disk
20:50 asciilifeform cpu cores
20:50 asciilifeform (well, the smp control gizmo)
20:50 asciilifeform etc.
20:52 trinque right, so on linux I could write some bits to /dev/fb0 ; what might I go read about regarding how that's done on... would genera be a good example?
20:52 asciilifeform trinque: there are no examples.
20:52 trinque ah ok
20:52 asciilifeform trinque: have you read my 'bedrock' article ?
20:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72809 @ 0.00039094 = 28.464 BTC [-] {4}
20:53 asciilifeform trinque: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=55
20:53 assbot Loper OS » You have made your bedrock, now lie in it. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GHYPYN )
20:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13841 @ 0.00038678 = 5.3534 BTC [-]
20:54 trinque asciilifeform: yes I have, and grok the gist, I think
20:54 trinque what would network IO look like if done on a system with proper bedrock abstractions from your view?
20:54 trinque !up gabriel_laddel
20:55 gabriel_laddel ty
20:55 trinque np, and hello
20:55 gabriel_laddel so, for instance, think of the terminal you are now typing into. on a true dataflow box, it would simply be the end of a circuit (screen memory) directly linked to a circuit with the keyboard matrix decoder on the other end of it. you thus also lose the concept of ‘interrupts’ or ‘processes’. a dataflow box doesn’t need a scheduler, or an interrupt
20:55 gabriel_laddel controller.
20:55 gabriel_laddel -- http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1361
20:55 assbot Loper OS » The Alert Reader. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GHZ9qt )
20:55 asciilifeform trinque: for this one, symbolics lisp is not a bad example. the key being that ~nothing can happen~ short of the nic catching fire that would land you on any level of abstraction below lisp
20:55 asciilifeform e.g., if a malformed packet appears, or connection breaks at any point in the process, or, or.
20:56 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel has it. but in that article i was speaking of 'proper computer', not lispm.
20:56 trinque gabriel_laddel: end of a circuit, so "circuit" is bedrock, or composed thereof?
20:57 asciilifeform trinque: 'bedrock' for our purposes is that which if it malfunctions you physically throw it out.
20:57 * trinque reads through p=1361
20:58 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: Right. I should have noted that this is an example of what "sane I/O" might look like.
20:58 trinque what is the circuit? how do I write code which reads the current state of the terminal?
20:58 trinque how do I shove bits into it?
20:58 asciilifeform it is the only sane i/o. what we have now is chicken's cloaka, which pisses, shits, fucks, and lays eggs via same orifice (why not also eat with it?)
20:59 trinque is there some data structure manifested in the lisp system which represents the state of the thing?
20:59 asciilifeform trinque: code on dataflow processor controls switching matrix.
20:59 asciilifeform how to represent it is up to the operator
20:59 asciilifeform ultimately it is what your schoolteacher called an 'adjacency matrix.'
21:00 trinque I could declare that the terminal circuit is now connected to (among other things) my circuit which logs terminal stuff?
21:00 trinque and this declaration is...
21:00 asciilifeform these presently exist, you can go to store and buy. called fpga.
21:00 trinque a data structure somewhere read by the switching matrix?
21:00 asciilifeform trinque: typically an ordinary sram
21:00 mircea_popescu it does technicaly eat with it
21:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: think of it, traditional cpu ~is~ cloaka, where you pgp with the same barrel shifter and adder that you play tetris and read lolcatz with
21:02 asciilifeform this is not the only way to build a computer.
21:02 asciilifeform in extreme poverty of the 1950s - yes, it makes sense
21:02 asciilifeform barely made sense in '80s
21:03 asciilifeform (folks carrying around multiple pc notwithstanding)
21:03 asciilifeform think of why msdos was a jewel - machine did ~one fucking thing~ at a time
21:04 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah. it DOES eat with it.
21:04 asciilifeform approach has limitations, there are asynchronous things in the world (e.g., nic, disks)
21:04 trinque hm, so is there some circuit which is responsible for the adjacency of other circuits?
21:04 asciilifeform so you have multiple machines.
21:04 asciilifeform like in your head
21:04 trinque is this a distributed thing, whereby one circuit requests access to another?
21:04 asciilifeform trinque: when you plant your arse in your chair, does arse 'request access to the chair' ?)
21:04 mircea_popescu iut's not clear why disk would be async
21:05 trinque asciilifeform: no, but sometimes there's a cat in it!
21:05 mircea_popescu for that matter, disk is moving to be ram. and ram is sync.
21:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: because you ask it for block b and some unknown time later it says 'here is block b'
21:05 trinque ah!
21:05 mircea_popescu no obvious need for this.
21:05 mircea_popescu it can say "and this is block b perpetually anyway
21:05 asciilifeform for so long as you have caches, you have locality
21:06 asciilifeform which is to say, asking for b+1 will almost always be faster than b+100000
21:06 trinque asciilifeform: so is it the synchronized nature of "modern" IO that is braindamaged?
21:06 trinque I can see that point readily
21:06 trinque I said this to ben_vulpes yesterday about HTTP request/response cycles
21:06 asciilifeform trinque: the whole concept of having von neumann's bottleneck, where you can't do anything at all on the machine without waiting your turn for the little airline latrine of alu, mmu, etc. is asinine
21:06 mircea_popescu refresh me. what in ulimit discusses the i/o ?
21:07 trinque asciilifeform: so this circuit expresses a desire for the answer to some question, and some other circuit may or may not satisfy it
21:07 gabriel_laddel loper-os-reader: I always sort of thought that about CPU designs in general. whilst software designers say “how many cycles is this going to take?”, a hardware designer knows how many cycles something is going to take on a chip: one. or else
21:07 gabriel_laddel stas: dataflow never caught on because you absolutely need dedicated hardware. if you want real efficiency, you can’t even use standard RAM. so it gets dismissed as nuttery, on the rare occasions it comes up.
21:08 asciilifeform trinque: when you plug a lamp into mains socket, does it 'express desire to conduct' ?
21:08 mircea_popescu is it -i (pending signals) ?
21:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what system are you on
21:08 trinque asciilifeform: no, but water doesn't ever come out of the socket
21:08 mircea_popescu centos
21:08 trinque the routing is what I'm not clear on
21:08 trinque who says this guy wants to know some facts and not others
21:09 asciilifeform trinque: move your abstraction level down to where the question makes sense
21:09 ben_vulpes o hai gabriel_laddel!
21:09 asciilifeform !s muller gate
21:09 assbot 6 results for 'muller gate' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=muller+gate
21:09 gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes: hey!
21:10 ben_vulpes the boys have been talking shit about your lispos
21:10 ben_vulpes gabriel_laddel: the boys have been talking shit about your lispos
21:11 ben_vulpes !up ga
21:11 ben_vulpes !up gabriel_laddel
21:11 ben_vulpes !up gavinadresen
21:11 gabriel_laddel thanks. fucking useless AT&T connection
21:11 asciilifeform trinque: http://www.fpga4fun.com/FPGAinfo2.html << intro to state of art re: programmable logic
21:11 assbot fpga4fun.com - How FPGAs work ... ( http://bit.ly/1eR3CR8 )
21:11 gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes: I saw that in the logs earlier. It doesn't really matter - they don't have any other options.
21:12 gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes: they'll use what's there.
21:12 trinque asciilifeform: ty
21:13 trinque I'll read that and improve my question
21:13 ben_vulpes gabriel_laddel: 'they' << your customers?
21:13 asciilifeform trinque: i'd even argue that fpga is a mis-step historically, and you'd want to start with traditional 'gal' (as pictured here, http://design.iconnect007.media/index.php/article/31256/maxed-out-programmable-logic-part-deux/31259/?skin=design )
21:13 assbot iconnect007 :: Article ... ( http://bit.ly/1eR3NMa )
21:13 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: the last time i met folks who 'they'll use what's there', they were running... winxp
21:13 gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes: I was referring to #b-a members actually. I don't have any customers yet, as Masamune is horribly incomplete.
21:14 * ben_vulpes does not have a horse in this race
21:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00038665 = 9.3183 BTC [-] {2}
21:15 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: does your sbcl userland for linux come with a physical box where i get guarantee that the, e.g., video board, works ?
21:15 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: that is the idea - but currently - no.
21:15 trinque given that I'm already using an absurd compromise (stumpwm+emacs) I'd take something which measurably improves what I'm doing there already
21:16 * asciilifeform gave a good share of gabriel_laddel's material a fair, imho, reading, and still isn't entirely grasping how the proposed widget wins over classical linux box with sbcl on it
21:16 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: maxima, conkeror, CLIM as defaults
21:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42500 @ 0.00038968 = 16.5614 BTC [+]
21:16 asciilifeform why would i be concerned with defaults ?
21:16 gabriel_laddel also, scaffolding for e.g., Pete's school
21:16 * ben_vulpes to bar
21:16 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: because although you already know of these things, many people do not.
21:17 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel aims to bring lisps to 'most people' ?!
21:17 * asciilifeform head-desks
21:17 gabriel_laddel heh, no
21:17 * ben_vulpes resents leaving at top of computers + school conversation branch
21:17 gabriel_laddel just for people in #b-a
21:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: on my system, 'ulimit' only sets max file size...
21:18 mircea_popescu i have nfi what all this shit does.
21:18 asciilifeform somebody buy poor fella a new modem
~ 16 minutes ~
21:35 ben_vulpes i am interested in things like 'literate programming' in the context of mathematical education, essay writing etc
21:35 asciilifeform ben_vulpes read knuth's work on subj ?
21:35 ben_vulpes not yet!
21:40 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: absolute best example of 'literate programming' i know of is 'jonesforth' >> https://github.com/AlexandreAbreu/jonesforth/blob/master/jonesforth.S and https://github.com/AlexandreAbreu/jonesforth/blob/master/jonesforth.f
21:40 assbot jonesforth/jonesforth.S at master · AlexandreAbreu/jonesforth · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1dpxFNT )
21:40 assbot jonesforth/jonesforth.f at master · AlexandreAbreu/jonesforth · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1dpxFO3 )
21:40 asciilifeform (not originally on shithub but only surviving copy)
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22:03 asciilifeform in other news, i've a static therealbitcoin.
22:03 ben_vulpes no wai
22:03 asciilifeform aha.
22:04 asciilifeform readelf -d bitcoind
22:04 asciilifeform There is no dynamic section in this file.
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22:04 ben_vulpes i wonder how long it'll take to duplicate the feat.
22:05 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i'm about to zip up the whole build tree so folks can test quickly
22:09 asciilifeform one final test before i post it...
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22:26 asciilifeform achtung, panzers!
22:27 asciilifeform ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al:
22:27 asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000102.html
22:27 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LCjUdN )
22:27 asciilifeform '(EXPERIMENTAL) Static Builder for TheRealBitcoin.'
22:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00040015 = 3.9415 BTC [+]
22:28 asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/3AKNWFV.txt << process map for this experiment
22:28 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LCjXGo )
22:29 asciilifeform note that it is still using conventional glibc
22:29 decimation asciilifeform: did you try ulibc
22:29 asciilifeform (see the gconv-modules turd? fucking lamers)
22:29 asciilifeform decimation: not yet. but i expect to hit the same wall as mod6
22:29 decimation yeah.
22:29 asciilifeform first trying to bring it all to where we originally wanted it
22:29 decimation it's possible some combination of gcc/ulibc version will work
22:30 asciilifeform and it appears that i did this.
22:30 decimation asciilifeform: so no dns?
22:30 asciilifeform if mircea_popescu asks, this turd will be deployed to dulap (s.nsa box)
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22:30 asciilifeform no dns.
22:31 asciilifeform i'd prefer to get comments / replications of this experiment first
22:31 decimation asciilifeform: is this for the pogo?
22:31 asciilifeform no
22:31 asciilifeform this is an amd64 build.
22:31 asciilifeform i suppose i ought to have specified this in the readme
22:31 asciilifeform but it ought to be clear from reading the build script
22:31 asciilifeform this build is intended for ibmpc
22:33 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu your node is dead ?
22:33 gribble The operation succeeded.
22:33 asciilifeform wtf.
22:34 asciilifeform (i'm getting a 'connection refused')
22:34 * mircea_popescu looks into this.
22:34 mircea_popescu did you ever test it ?
22:34 asciilifeform just now.
22:34 asciilifeform was gonna milk it
22:34 asciilifeform i've been licking my teeth for this milking for ages
22:35 mircea_popescu lol. apparently you're not the only one.
22:35 asciilifeform stas@humanoid ~ $ telnet 188.68.240.167 8333
22:35 asciilifeform Trying 188.68.240.167...
22:35 asciilifeform telnet: connect to address 188.68.240.167: Connection refused
22:35 mircea_popescu anyway. give it an hour.
22:35 mircea_popescu !up aseriousgogetta
22:35 aseriousgogetta ty
22:36 mircea_popescu aha. who're you ?
22:36 aseriousgogetta what is thebitcoin.foundation?? i just found it.
22:36 mircea_popescu the foundation directing bitcoin development etc.
22:36 aseriousgogetta im a crypto-enthusiast
22:37 aseriousgogetta why 0.5.3?
22:37 decimation what is your favorite public key algo?
22:38 aseriousgogetta favorite.. sha256d
22:39 decimation aite
22:40 aseriousgogetta my current work is on a personal project; setting up foundation. what is teh work in here?
22:40 mircea_popescu !s 0.5.3
22:40 assbot 204 results for '0.5.3' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=0.5.3
22:40 mircea_popescu this has been discussed in teh logs.
22:40 ben_vulpes decrufting etc.
22:41 mircea_popescu that didn't parse.
22:41 aseriousgogetta http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1178572
22:41 assbot Logged on 27-06-2015 02:16:03; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell ben_vulpes incidentally, were you explicitly setting -irc Find peers using internet relay chat (default: 0) flag ?
22:41 aseriousgogetta ty
22:41 ben_vulpes ah!
22:43 aseriousgogetta hmm, so 0.10.2 talk is out teh window
22:44 aseriousgogetta or scrypt-n?
22:45 asciilifeform out teh window << no, in the latrine where they belong.
22:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22857 @ 0.00039374 = 8.9997 BTC [-]
22:46 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: let me know if you were able to build my 'stator.' and if you think it makes sense to sweat over a uclibc build for ibmpc, where everything ~else~ is sitting on glibc...
22:47 asciilifeform (though i'd like to shoot that 'gconv-modules.cache' and 'locale-archive' crud in the head...)
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22:48 ben_vulpes no, I simply ran the thing.
22:48 asciilifeform (see http://dpaste.com/3AKNWFV.txt )
22:48 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEqYz3 )
22:48 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: l0l
22:48 asciilifeform it ran ?
22:48 ben_vulpes not your most recent, no
22:48 asciilifeform what was ben_vulpes referring to then
22:48 ben_vulpes hang on distracted.
22:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00039374 = 9.6466 BTC [-]
22:50 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1178089 << note that it isn't 'the foundation one' until ben_vulpes and mod6 say it is
22:50 assbot Logged on 26-06-2015 19:46:42; mircea_popescu: it is not the foundation one, which i am going to compile and run once the instructions come out.
22:50 asciilifeform but we have a buildable static(glibc) ibmpc build.
22:51 ben_vulpes <aseriousgogetta> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1178572 << i am confus
22:51 assbot Logged on 27-06-2015 02:16:03; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell ben_vulpes incidentally, were you explicitly setting -irc Find peers using internet relay chat (default: 0) flag ?
22:51 ben_vulpes i did not use the -irc flag
22:51 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-06-2015#1178629
22:51 assbot Logged on 27-06-2015 03:06:14; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1178572 << this is ~not~ in 0.5.3. it had only '-noirc', default off.
22:51 ben_vulpes right.
22:52 asciilifeform idk why aseriousgogetta linked it
22:52 ben_vulpes me neither
22:52 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes nah, upon consideration that should have no effect.
22:52 mircea_popescu asciilifeform try nao ?
22:52 ben_vulpes ultraconfused, had to remember why i hadn't responded to the ;;later
22:52 ben_vulpes (if i even had, etc)
22:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: hangs after 'connected 188.68.240.167:8333'
22:53 asciilifeform anybody else?
22:54 asciilifeform 'socket no message in first 60 seconds, 0 1'
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22:54 * ben_vulpes is drinking with trinqu, will be playing with blockchains later
22:55 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: is your box getting hammered by bozos ?
22:57 ben_vulpes !up Chicago
22:57 decimation Chicago: are you a fan of crypto too?
22:58 asciilifeform now what i can't remember is whether mod6 already had this orchestra working
22:58 asciilifeform (with glibc+static)
22:58 decimation I thought he had
22:58 decimation but with dns
22:58 asciilifeform afaik can't do dns at all with static glibc
22:58 asciilifeform so no
22:58 asciilifeform but possibly he had something like what i just posted, but it isn't on the ml.
22:58 decimation I've seen it give linker warnings
22:59 decimation didn't check to see if it was truely static
22:59 asciilifeform mine also gives linker warning for 'what if you used gethostbyname'
22:59 decimation yeah exactly
22:59 asciilifeform -- except that we provably never do
22:59 asciilifeform so fuck it
23:00 asciilifeform gcc sucks at stripping deadcode, news at 11.
23:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5093 @ 0.00039374 = 2.0053 BTC [-]
23:01 decimation also, nobody gives a fuck about supporting static linking, news at 11
23:01 asciilifeform we knew, yes
23:02 decimation "why link static when you could just accept my world of shit?"
23:04 mircea_popescu asciilifeform kind-of.
23:04 scoopbot_revived Women and incentives in tech http://trilema.com/2015/women-and-incentives-in-tech/
23:04 mircea_popescu there's ~30 connected, ye'll have to insist.
23:05 asciilifeform let me guess, the duplicates aren't up
23:05 asciilifeform because 'split' br0ke
23:05 * asciilifeform head-desks
23:06 mircea_popescu doubt they'd be in a much better position.
23:07 asciilifeform addrLocalHost = 0.0.0.0:8333 << anybody else getting this ?
23:11 asciilifeform ah it's the retardation
23:12 asciilifeform '// Proxies can't take incoming connections'
23:12 asciilifeform working as written.
23:12 asciilifeform that crap ~will~ have to be shot.
23:12 asciilifeform as well as the ability to kick 'for misbehaviour' the ONLY PERMITTED CONNECT node
23:12 asciilifeform who the FUCK thought of that.
23:13 asciilifeform what's next, uterus gives her cramps so she ejects it ?
23:13 asciilifeform across the room
23:14 Chicago decimation, Sure I'm a crypto fan. :)
23:14 Chicago Albeit more active in Wintertime when my rigs warm the house.
23:14 asciilifeform '-connect=x.x.x.x' should ONLY affect OUTGOING connections
23:15 mircea_popescu myeah
23:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: wake me up when there's a box to sync from that i don't have to share with public urinators
23:16 mircea_popescu how do you propose i implement this ?
23:16 asciilifeform iptables ?
23:17 * mircea_popescu goes to read the manual for iptables now, to find how you do "open port only for x ip"
23:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00038826 = 10.3665 BTC [-]
23:17 mircea_popescu fully expecting he will have to install vanrish, uninstall alsa, recompile the kernel and fix glibc.
23:18 ben_vulpes you're learning!
23:18 ben_vulpes http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/net_8cpp_source.html#l00653 << help what am i looking at
23:18 assbot bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/v0531-wPatchesApplied.txt }: bitcoin/src/net.cpp Source File ... ( http://bit.ly/1LvmktA )
23:18 ben_vulpes why are these critical sections lexically nested?
23:18 asciilifeform http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7423309/iptables-block-access-to-port-8000-except-from-ip-address >> change port, 8333..
23:18 assbot firewall - iptables block access to port 8000 except from IP address - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1LvmkK8 )
23:18 ben_vulpes are they also /programatically/ nested?
23:18 mircea_popescu iptables -I INPUT -p tcp ! -s <permittedIP> -j DROP << is that it ?
23:19 trinque mircea_popescu: because layering another turd atop iptables is surely what you want... I find ufw a nice tool to deal with trivial firewall setups
23:19 mircea_popescu hm shouldn't port be specified somewhere
23:20 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: read linked turd
23:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform try nao
23:23 asciilifeform 'connect() failed after select(): Connection refused'
23:23 mircea_popescu actually uh... i see you ?
23:23 mircea_popescu wtf/
23:24 * asciilifeform sends warm hello to the nice folks at ft meade sending us tcp FIN's
23:24 mircea_popescu nowai.
23:25 asciilifeform socket no message in first 60 seconds, 0 1
23:25 mircea_popescu eh nonsense.
23:25 mircea_popescu it's been feeding 100s of peers like 1gb since yest or w/e.
23:25 asciilifeform try from own box
23:26 mircea_popescu it works from a multitude of boxen
23:27 * asciilifeform about to test with conventional therealbitcoin
23:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: yes but did any of them '-connect'
23:27 trinque asciilifeform: am I in the ballpark... having the vague notion that c-gates would be used to indicate whether the inputs necessary to perform a computation are available?
23:27 trinque strikes me as "promises" to indicate the braindamaged programming environments I've sued
23:27 asciilifeform trinque: c-gate only fires when all inputs are stable
23:27 trinque *used
23:27 trinque right
23:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform they must have if they were moving bytes neh
23:28 asciilifeform and if connected to other c-gates, same applies to them
23:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: same thing when using conventional therealbitcoin
23:28 asciilifeform (non-static)
23:28 trinque seems to be the mechanism by which you call a bunch of asynchronous happenings one "thing", and can therefore act upon those "things" all being available
23:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and no, i was specifically talking about -connect=x.x.x.x' commandline argument
23:29 mircea_popescu hm
23:29 mircea_popescu i have nfi
23:30 * asciilifeform boots up 'wireshark'
23:30 mircea_popescu honestly, i don't think that iptables thing actually works.
23:30 mircea_popescu because everyone trying to get in is now stuck on LAST ACK
23:30 mircea_popescu which is not to my eye the expected behaviour.
23:32 decimation iptables, like most of the kernel, is undocumented as fuck
23:32 asciilifeform ~all~ i get is ACKs
23:32 * asciilifeform is watching the packets in real time
23:32 mircea_popescu i srsly see established conns.
23:33 asciilifeform aha
23:33 asciilifeform all i get is acks
23:33 asciilifeform they're established, yes..
23:33 asciilifeform but mine asks 'version' and hears '...'
23:34 mircea_popescu hm.
23:34 decimation I kinda get the impression that about 99% of iptables implementations out there are 'cut n paste' from what someone else posted on some website
23:35 mircea_popescu certainly.
23:36 decimation just like 99% of 'autoconf' use is cut n' paste
23:36 decimation many eyes, etc
23:36 trinque beatings for everyone that decides to introduce his own grammar to describe some problem space (firewalls one of many examples)
23:37 trinque I know... I'll invent a syntax!
23:37 trinque firewall configuration should be a function you write that the network stack runs on every packet
23:38 trinque pf is marginally better, but that's about it
23:38 * asciilifeform brb, food
23:39 trinque the ufw thing at least gives you a semi-sane "ufw allow from 1.2.3.4 to any port 8333"
23:39 decimation yeah it's kinda a cluster
23:39 decimation proprietary firewalls on cisco, etc aren't any better
23:39 trinque and even ufw runs afoul of the "natural language" == easy
23:40 trinque same mistake as SQL
23:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 187 @ 0.0130107 = 2.433 BTC [-] {2}
23:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform tell you what, if you don't get to the bottom of it, ima make you an account on the server tomorrow, copy over the blockchain and you can compile your own or w/e.
23:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33406 @ 0.00039961 = 13.3494 BTC [+] {3}
23:54 scoopbot_revived The art of punishment, translated. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/27/the-art-of-punishment-translated/
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