| 00:03 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: -addnode works |
| 00:03 |
asciilifeform |
-connect --- no |
| 00:04 |
asciilifeform |
of course this is useless |
| 00:04 |
asciilifeform |
but shows that packets do move |
| 00:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00039312 = 1.7297 BTC [-] |
| 00:05 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: it really ought not to be necessary to move blockchains with bare hands! |
| 00:05 |
asciilifeform |
that's what '-connect' is for |
| 00:06 |
mod6 |
wow, just getting caught up here. have been afk for a while here today... |
| 00:08 |
mod6 |
<+asciilifeform> now what i can't remember is whether mod6 already had this orchestra working <+asciilifeform> (with glibc+static) << v0.5.3.1-RELEASE basically is not true "static" build because of the gethostbyname() (DNS/libnss) calls in there. but was trying to build static bitcoind with uclibc/gcc on gentoo, was hitting a problem described here before. If you stripped out all of the DNS stuff and then did a build with gcc/glibc I'm thinkin |
| 00:09 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: msg got cut off |
| 00:10 |
asciilifeform |
at 'I'm thinking tha' |
| 00:13 |
mod6 |
oh crap. ok sorry. |
| 00:13 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform hey, i know. what can i do over here. |
| 00:13 |
mod6 |
If you stripped out all of the DNS stuff and then did a build with gcc/glibc I'm thinking that would get us where we want to be; sounds like you've done that! |
| 00:13 |
mod6 |
my pos car got a flat today, so I limped it up to the station to get a new tire & walked the ~3 miles back. |
| 00:14 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: there is still http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1179772 and also figuring out wtf gives with '-connect' |
| 00:14 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-06-2015 02:47:49; asciilifeform: (though i'd like to shoot that 'gconv-modules.cache' and 'locale-archive' crud in the head...) |
| 00:14 |
mod6 |
only to find out that both front springs are broken (lol) and that's what caused the tire to blow out. |
| 00:14 |
asciilifeform |
woah |
| 00:14 |
asciilifeform |
srsly? |
| 00:14 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform anyway, ok if i move back to public access for this ? |
| 00:14 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: go ahead |
| 00:14 |
asciilifeform |
i don't think overcrowding was the issue here |
| 00:14 |
mod6 |
so now I've got this company to pay $185 and take it off my hands for scrap. hahah |
| 00:14 |
mircea_popescu |
got the command predigested for me ? |
| 00:14 |
mircea_popescu |
:D |
| 00:16 |
asciilifeform |
aaand hey |
| 00:16 |
asciilifeform |
it worked |
| 00:16 |
mircea_popescu |
huh ? |
| 00:16 |
asciilifeform |
wtf |
| 00:16 |
asciilifeform |
it's milking |
| 00:16 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao |
| 00:16 |
mod6 |
you got connected to mp's blockchain milk? or -connect worked for you? |
| 00:16 |
asciilifeform |
what did mircea_popescu do ? |
| 00:16 |
mircea_popescu |
i played wiff girl. |
| 00:16 |
asciilifeform |
l0rl |
| 00:17 |
mircea_popescu |
game of yatze |
| 00:17 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, ima keep it locked to your ip till tomorro then |
| 00:17 |
asciilifeform |
ty |
| 00:17 |
mircea_popescu |
if nothing else then because "don't fuck with shit that works" |
| 00:17 |
mod6 |
oh, forgot to mention. the place wanted $500 to replace the springs. which is what prompted me to `mv posCar /dev/scrap` |
| 00:17 |
* |
asciilifeform still wondering wtf that was all about |
| 00:18 |
mircea_popescu |
very weird. |
| 00:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27097 @ 0.00038778 = 10.5077 BTC [-] {3} |
| 00:18 |
mod6 |
hmm |
| 00:18 |
decimation |
mod6: mechanics are famous for exploiting folks in what they think are vulnerable situations |
| 00:18 |
mod6 |
yeah, they were pretty blown away when I just came and told 'em i was gonna scrap it. |
| 00:19 |
* |
trinque lawls at the naked folks biking past him |
| 00:19 |
trinque |
there are things to like about this communist land |
| 00:19 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: now stuck again... |
| 00:19 |
asciilifeform |
after 43929 |
| 00:19 |
mod6 |
it's not processing blocks? or you're getting disconnected? |
| 00:20 |
asciilifeform |
stalled |
| 00:20 |
mod6 |
hmm. give it 10 minutes to be sure... unless it's taking on those weird errors |
| 00:20 |
asciilifeform |
no errors |
| 00:20 |
asciilifeform |
just... stalls |
| 00:21 |
asciilifeform |
as in, nothing moving over the pipe |
| 00:21 |
mod6 |
I remember from the block 168`001 issue (tx verification failed) that it would start dumping tons of errors if truly stuck. |
| 00:21 |
mircea_popescu |
eh listen, it's prolly getting too much attention |
| 00:21 |
asciilifeform |
again, not this |
| 00:21 |
mod6 |
ah |
| 00:21 |
mircea_popescu |
let it be till tomorro, and we'll see what. |
| 00:21 |
* |
asciilifeform leaves the thing running |
| 00:22 |
asciilifeform |
picture so far is consistent with massive ddos, imho |
| 00:24 |
mod6 |
asciilifeform: thanks a lot for your work tonight on the Static Builder. I'm a bit zapped to start getting into that tonight. Is it cool with you if I start testing it out tomorrow morning? |
| 00:24 |
mod6 |
I can work on that and see where I can get with it; then I have to start working on the SoBA for June. |
| 00:24 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: no reason to hurry |
| 00:24 |
mod6 |
Ok awesome. |
| 00:25 |
asciilifeform |
i'm about to sleep a bit myself |
| 00:25 |
mod6 |
*nod* |
| 00:25 |
mod6 |
thanks for all of your help :] |
| 00:25 |
asciilifeform |
np |
| 00:25 |
asciilifeform |
this exercise did not take very long but for some reason very tiring |
| 00:26 |
mod6 |
yeah, i hear ya. |
| 00:26 |
mod6 |
get some rest. tomorrow we can keep on. |
| 00:30 |
ben_vulpes |
sleep? when all these titties are biking by? |
| 00:30 |
* |
ben_vulpes hauls out lawn chair and bottle of wine |
| 00:30 |
mod6 |
haha. |
| 00:31 |
trinque |
ben_vulpes: y'know no sooner do I even consider relocating to the land of capitalism and Portland's like "but dude! an army of titties on bikes!" |
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| 00:31 |
trinque |
ok portland, you win this round |
| 00:32 |
trinque |
this I think has something to do with the political problems throughout time |
| 00:32 |
trinque |
maybe I should get more drunk and see if pete_dushenski ends up writing about it |
| 00:36 |
asciilifeform |
another burst of milkage |
| 00:36 |
asciilifeform |
to 44429. stall. |
| 00:36 |
asciilifeform |
l0l |
| 00:36 |
mod6 |
nice. you think it's being packeted though? |
| 00:36 |
asciilifeform |
somebody's taking a king-sized shit in there |
| 00:37 |
mod6 |
ah |
| 00:37 |
asciilifeform |
either that or somebody between here and there is 'losing' packets. |
| 00:37 |
decimation |
or there's a dysfunctional router somewhere |
| 00:38 |
mod6 |
what does tr look like? |
| 00:38 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: not here |
| 00:40 |
asciilifeform |
woah |
| 00:41 |
asciilifeform |
some pretty serious strange |
| 00:41 |
mod6 |
is it looping |
| 00:42 |
asciilifeform |
http://dpaste.com/2WANN89.txt |
| 00:42 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1ebSUU4 ) |
| 00:42 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu ^ |
| 00:43 |
mod6 |
asciilifeform: mine looks exactly the same. |
| 00:43 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: seems like 'unthreading bitcoind' would be an admiral goal |
| 00:43 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: ? |
| 00:44 |
decimation |
cutting out the locking, threads ,etc |
| 00:44 |
asciilifeform |
tcp without threads? |
| 00:44 |
asciilifeform |
wat |
| 00:44 |
asciilifeform |
gonna service 1 node at a time ? |
| 00:44 |
mod6 |
http://dpaste.com/3WAY4WZ.txt << mine (lol 3way) |
| 00:44 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1ebTbqg ) |
| 00:44 |
asciilifeform |
with polling ? |
| 00:45 |
decimation |
yeah, async |
| 00:45 |
asciilifeform |
screw that |
| 00:45 |
decimation |
heh |
| 00:45 |
mod6 |
heheh |
| 00:45 |
asciilifeform |
go build p2p net with 1-at-a-time |
| 00:45 |
asciilifeform |
(and what, someone wants to connect, you drop ~everything~ ?) |
| 00:45 |
decimation |
I've built several pure async servers |
| 00:46 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: what do they do? queue requests ? |
| 00:46 |
decimation |
sure |
| 00:46 |
decimation |
generally, you write a while loop with epoll or whatever |
| 00:46 |
decimation |
jump to whatever bell rings |
| 00:46 |
asciilifeform |
as if this thing didn't suck enough balls |
| 00:47 |
decimation |
well, it seems to me that there ought to be a definable spec between "talk to peers" and "maintain database of blocks" |
| 00:48 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: unless i seriously misunderstood mircea_popescu, not only is the reference client the permanent spec, but so are the turdependencies |
| 00:48 |
asciilifeform |
and anything purporting to be a human-readable spec is necessarily incomplete |
| 00:48 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25944 @ 0.00040271 = 10.4479 BTC [+] {2} |
| 00:49 |
decimation |
well, until the book is printed, studied, underped |
| 00:49 |
decimation |
over many man-years of effort |
| 00:49 |
asciilifeform |
and that we're more or less stuck with this until mythical 'sanity fork' |
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| 00:49 |
trinque |
decimation: sounds kinda like what I understand nginx to be |
| 00:49 |
trinque |
munches a queue of that-which-must-be-done with 1-n workers |
| 00:49 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: i don't think that a mathematically-rigorous description of openssl (not to even mention boost and bdb) could be achieved in 10,000 years of sweat |
| |
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| 00:50 |
asciilifeform |
or that anyone would wish to try. |
| 00:50 |
decimation |
even the severable bits that bitcoind really needs? |
| 00:50 |
asciilifeform |
it's 'the spittoon' |
| 00:50 |
asciilifeform |
none of it is really severable from any of it |
| 00:51 |
decimation |
well, ultimately it's all running machine code |
| 00:51 |
decimation |
might need to start at that level I guess. |
| 00:51 |
* |
asciilifeform actually began there |
| 00:51 |
asciilifeform |
tried to come up with a mechanical mapping back from bin to what produced each section in the elf |
| 00:51 |
asciilifeform |
even wrote buncha ida script idiocy |
| 00:52 |
asciilifeform |
had to put it down, too many other things going on |
| 00:52 |
asciilifeform |
gcc, as one might imagine, does not go out of its way to help this be a readily practical thing |
| 00:52 |
asciilifeform |
quite the contrary. |
| 00:53 |
asciilifeform |
rms ~deliberately~ nudges it, whenever he can, in the direction of being as opaque as possible |
| 00:53 |
decimation |
no and as I recall there's hand-written asm in openssl |
| 00:53 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: optional |
| 00:53 |
decimation |
sure, to keep folks from re-writing gcc |
| 00:53 |
decimation |
so he can haz powerz |
| 00:53 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: not quite |
| 00:54 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#816009 << see old thread. |
| 00:54 |
assbot |
Logged on 30-08-2014 03:37:06; decimation: "The existence of LLVM is a terrible setback for our community precisely because it is not copylefted and can be used as the basis for nonfree compilers — so that all contribution to LLVM directly helps proprietary software as much as it helps us.'" |
| 00:54 |
asciilifeform |
.... and another short burst from mircea_popescu's node |
| 00:55 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: rms did not want it to break apart into readily-plagiarizable pieces. |
| 00:55 |
asciilifeform |
this is annoying but i understand 100% |
| 00:55 |
asciilifeform |
why he did it |
| 00:55 |
ben_vulpes |
erm i thought bitcoind *did* service one at a time, looping over sockets |
| 00:55 |
* |
ben_vulpes to src |
| 00:55 |
decimation |
sure, he wants to keep people from mkaing a bsd gcc |
| 00:56 |
asciilifeform |
gcc is the original lonely fort keeping the whole gpl thing alive |
| 00:57 |
asciilifeform |
the one thing the fucking parasites couldn't effectively plagiarize without leaving trace |
| 00:57 |
asciilifeform |
but this had a cost, yes. |
| 00:59 |
asciilifeform |
i will note that llvm (since i mentioned it again) is upon the most cursory examination a piece of shit, that wasn't even built to 'be good' - but simply with the one and only purpose of killing gcc. |
| |
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| 00:59 |
asciilifeform |
rms is spot-on here |
| 00:59 |
asciilifeform |
it exists, was built, to help him die. |
| 00:59 |
decimation |
I find it unlikely that the fsf will outlive him |
| |
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| 01:00 |
asciilifeform |
in the sense in which it is now alive? sure |
| 01:00 |
asciilifeform |
in the sense of keeping the 'reasonable' folks at bay? doubtful |
| 01:00 |
decimation |
maybe. |
| 01:00 |
asciilifeform |
as soon as he's out, 'reasonable' people will crawl in and 'make compromises' |
| 01:00 |
decimation |
gpl is pretty weak sauce unless you have a barrel of lawyers to help you enforce it |
| 01:01 |
decimation |
aye, agreed |
| 01:01 |
decimation |
all I want is a world where I get source when I get software |
| 01:01 |
decimation |
but I recognize that rms' stand is probably the only way |
| 01:01 |
asciilifeform |
won't ask for it to be buildable ? |
| 01:01 |
asciilifeform |
on something which in turn is buildable ? |
| 01:01 |
asciilifeform |
etc |
| 01:01 |
decimation |
aye |
| 01:02 |
decimation |
really, he's already lost his war for the reasons you harp on re: bedrock |
| 01:02 |
asciilifeform |
rms doesn't do war. not for many years, anyway. he does 'lonely fort' |
| 01:02 |
asciilifeform |
keeping out whole universes full of filth |
| 01:02 |
asciilifeform |
that will come flooding in as soon as he's out of action |
| 01:03 |
asciilifeform |
it is already seeping through the cracks. |
| 01:03 |
asciilifeform |
has been, for some years now. |
| 01:03 |
decimation |
yeah, as far as I can tell gpl only really 'sticks' to fsf software directly |
| 01:04 |
asciilifeform |
gpl is really primarily about gcc and linuxkernel |
| 01:04 |
decimation |
yeah |
| 01:04 |
asciilifeform |
everything else is window dressing |
| 01:04 |
decimation |
not much use to a license if you don't intend on enforcing it |
| 01:05 |
ben_vulpes |
(curse these jackholes who littered the source with printstatements that include function names) |
| 01:06 |
ben_vulpes |
is there a sane cpp logging thing that could be used in place of these print statements? |
| 01:06 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: there's gcc-specific stuff that folds the line and # into the print |
| 01:06 |
asciilifeform |
(can't recall off top of head what, precisely. rtfm...) |
| 01:07 |
asciilifeform |
https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/cpp/Standard-Predefined-Macros.html << possibly here |
| 01:07 |
assbot |
Standard Predefined Macros - The C Preprocessor ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqXV95 ) |
| 01:08 |
asciilifeform |
https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/cpp/Common-Predefined-Macros.html#Common-Predefined-Macros << and here |
| 01:08 |
assbot |
Common Predefined Macros - The C Preprocessor ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqXXxK ) |
| 01:09 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: fprintf(stderr, "info: %s:%d: ", __FILE__, __LINE__); |
| 01:09 |
* |
ben_vulpes wonders at actual utility of a patch shaped like this |
| 01:09 |
asciilifeform |
i was reluctant to throw gccisms in there, but if we go and start building on mircea_popescu's soviet pdp11 we can always roll equivalent macros for that |
| 01:10 |
asciilifeform |
but if you ask me, this falls squarely under 'do this after it fucking ~works~' as described by mircea_popescu earlier. |
| 01:11 |
* |
ben_vulpes nods |
| 01:12 |
* |
asciilifeform sees another very short burst from mircea_popescu's node |
| 01:12 |
asciilifeform |
followed by silence... |
| 01:12 |
asciilifeform |
at this rate, the thing will sync some time after the eeproms in my computer lose 9/10th of their bits |
| 01:12 |
asciilifeform |
and i die of old age 3-5 times |
| 01:13 |
mircea_popescu |
nuts. |
| 01:13 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp#1499 << looping over nodes, handling messages including new blocks |
| 01:13 |
assbot |
Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/net.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqYpMw ) |
| 01:13 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: yes but has accept() |
| 01:14 |
ben_vulpes |
pardon? |
| 01:14 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: is able to take new connections while doing said loop |
| 01:14 |
ben_vulpes |
aha |
| 01:15 |
ben_vulpes |
http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/ident?_i=fShutdown << for log readers interested in how precisely bitcoin shits its pants when told to go to sleep |
| 01:15 |
assbot |
Satoshi 0.5.3.1 identifier search: fShutdown ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqYD6n ) |
| 01:15 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: but if you can write your own asynchronous everything, you can finally get the coveted msdos port... |
| 01:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4305 @ 0.00040539 = 1.7452 BTC [+] |
| 01:16 |
ben_vulpes |
mnope. |
| 01:17 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: didja see http://dpaste.com/2WANN89.txt |
| 01:17 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1GTxC7X ) |
| 01:17 |
ben_vulpes |
that'd be threadsockethandler? |
| 01:17 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform ok ? |
| 01:17 |
mircea_popescu |
what is 213.130.38.26? |
| 01:18 |
asciilifeform |
damned if i know |
| 01:18 |
mircea_popescu |
does ntt europe have a dedicated, identifiable five eyes leecher ? |
| 01:18 |
asciilifeform |
wouldn't be the first |
| 01:19 |
asciilifeform |
and not merely leecher, but pisser |
| 01:19 |
mircea_popescu |
this entire experience painfully reminds me of the famous phoneline click somehow |
| 01:19 |
asciilifeform |
aha! |
| 01:19 |
asciilifeform |
was just thinking this! |
| 01:19 |
mircea_popescu |
im sure it's just my feverish paranoia. |
| 01:19 |
asciilifeform |
if it's man-made, it's actually pretty classy |
| 01:20 |
asciilifeform |
dropping the connection would get bitcoind rotating to next node |
| 01:20 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1179703 << win. |
| 01:20 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-06-2015 02:04:04; asciilifeform: There is no dynamic section in this file. |
| 01:20 |
asciilifeform |
(supposing we weren't using -connect) |
| 01:20 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: partial win, it's still built on (static) glibc |
| 01:20 |
asciilifeform |
but the thing is running on my box now. |
| 01:20 |
mircea_popescu |
you actually managed to get glibc to static ? |
| 01:20 |
asciilifeform |
did. |
| 01:20 |
mircea_popescu |
this is pretty great. |
| 01:20 |
asciilifeform |
pull down the tarball from ml, try |
| 01:21 |
asciilifeform |
doesn't take high tech magic |
| 01:21 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1179724 << perfect. |
| 01:21 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-06-2015 02:30:30; asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu asks, this turd will be deployed to dulap (s.nsa box) |
| 01:21 |
asciilifeform |
drop deps in 'distfiles', run stator.sh. |
| 01:21 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: and yes, was gonna do this after certain tests. such as the one that is presently failing |
| 01:21 |
asciilifeform |
(-connect from motherlode) |
| 01:21 |
mircea_popescu |
aha. |
| 01:22 |
asciilifeform |
and would sorta like other folks to read the damn thing |
| 01:22 |
mircea_popescu |
yea. |
| 01:22 |
asciilifeform |
(no patches necessary to the bitcoind proper beyond what was published previously) |
| 01:22 |
asciilifeform |
see ml post. |
| 01:22 |
mircea_popescu |
did someoine actually answer "favourite pubkey algo" q with a ... hashing function ?! |
| 01:23 |
asciilifeform |
yeah some anon schmuck |
| 01:23 |
mircea_popescu |
"what's your favourite fish ?" "shoe" |
| 01:23 |
mircea_popescu |
"you mean sole ?" "o yeah that's the one!" |
| 01:23 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: why "stator" |
| 01:23 |
asciilifeform |
'the most delicious fish is the sausage.' --my grandfather |
| 01:23 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: static bin |
| 01:23 |
mircea_popescu |
properly made sausage actually floats. therefore not a fish |
| 01:23 |
mircea_popescu |
but a witch |
| 01:24 |
ben_vulpes |
mircea_popescu: ouch |
| 01:24 |
mircea_popescu |
are you a pain enthusiast ben_vulpes ? |
| 01:25 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform to answer earlier q : i think for thius purpose (running on dulap etc) static glibc is exactly right. |
| 01:25 |
mircea_popescu |
doesn't help us on pogo, but that's a diff story. |
| 01:26 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i was actually thinking of doing for ibmpc something like what i did for pogo |
| 01:26 |
asciilifeform |
e.g. a kernel that boots right into, this. |
| 01:26 |
mircea_popescu |
we'll have to bootstrap ourselves. |
| 01:26 |
mircea_popescu |
so that can be v 1.1 |
| 01:26 |
asciilifeform |
y'know how some hoster folks let you drop an iso in when you get the thing |
| 01:26 |
mircea_popescu |
also, kernel is a good idea maybe for pogo. not for a proper server. you want people to add it to all their noncritical dedis. |
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| 01:27 |
asciilifeform |
'install favourite os' |
| 01:27 |
asciilifeform |
that'd be more for dedicated nodes, aha |
| 01:27 |
asciilifeform |
for mixing into daily life - normal package suffices |
| 01:27 |
mircea_popescu |
pogo = dedicated node ; this = stick everywhere |
| 01:27 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah |
| 01:27 |
asciilifeform |
but overall i like the idea of a dc box with bitcoind and LITERALLY NOTHING ELSE |
| 01:27 |
asciilifeform |
not even ssh |
| 01:27 |
mircea_popescu |
pogo. |
| 01:28 |
mircea_popescu |
that box should not be in dc |
| 01:28 |
mircea_popescu |
but on consumer internet terminals. |
| 01:28 |
asciilifeform |
until we actually get limited mempool, shoot fragging in the head, etc. pogo will be a bit slow |
| 01:28 |
asciilifeform |
(it'll have to swap.) |
| 01:28 |
mircea_popescu |
understand - it's 10x to 100x more expensive to do a 213.130.38.26 on random home cable than it is on servers |
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| 01:29 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
| 01:29 |
asciilifeform |
unquestionably the whole 'p2p' thing is the right and proper objective |
| 01:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46850 @ 0.00040636 = 19.038 BTC [+] {3} |
| 01:29 |
asciilifeform |
but of necessity many of the boxes involved in the ramp-up will be pc. |
| 01:31 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180198 << can't entirely agree here. every so often folks discover carriers diddling 'consumer' traffic in obscene ways (adding tracking crud to http, even) having gone by for years at a time with not a squeak from the chumps |
| 01:31 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-06-2015 05:28:41; mircea_popescu: understand - it's 10x to 100x more expensive to do a 213.130.38.26 on random home cable than it is on servers |
| 01:32 |
asciilifeform |
do this at a serious dc and you have half a dozen 'bofhs' going postal |
| 01:32 |
ben_vulpes |
pardon my thickness, but what is "this" now? |
| 01:32 |
asciilifeform |
because literate folks, heard of 'tcpdump', 'wireshark', etc |
| 01:33 |
ben_vulpes |
oh oh |
| 01:33 |
asciilifeform |
yeah, that this. |
| 01:33 |
ben_vulpes |
diddling. |
| 01:33 |
ben_vulpes |
what is the 10x to 100x refer to - not the ip cost at a 'home' terminal? |
| 01:33 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: cost of setting up diddler |
| 01:33 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform you're thinking the 90s. |
| 01:34 |
mircea_popescu |
those people are retired. |
| 01:34 |
asciilifeform |
i'm still in the 90s |
| 01:34 |
asciilifeform |
posting from them right now, l0l |
| 01:34 |
mircea_popescu |
nice for you - but... |
| 01:34 |
asciilifeform |
it's about 1994 here in this room |
| 01:34 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes just more nonsense to filter. |
| 01:38 |
ben_vulpes |
ic |
| 01:39 |
mod6 |
<+mircea_popescu> "what's your favourite fish ?" "shoe" << haha |
| 01:40 |
* |
asciilifeform bbl. |
| 01:49 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1179994 << topless ? |
| 01:49 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-06-2015 04:31:39; trinque: ben_vulpes: y'know no sooner do I even consider relocating to the land of capitalism and Portland's like "but dude! an army of titties on bikes!" |
| 01:51 |
mats |
http://pdxwnbr.org/ |
| 01:51 |
assbot |
World Naked Bike Ride | As Bare As You Dare ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEDYEW ) |
| 01:52 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180042 << pretty much. HOWEVER, more movement has been made towards sanity in this chan over the past six months than since 2009. |
| 01:52 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-06-2015 04:49:18; asciilifeform: and that we're more or less stuck with this until mythical 'sanity fork' |
| 01:52 |
* |
mats returns to the shadows |
| 01:54 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180079 << outright impossible. |
| 01:54 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-06-2015 04:59:46; decimation: I find it unlikely that the fsf will outlive him |
| 01:54 |
mircea_popescu |
the fsf, and the "foss" concoction, are going to be gone before the usg. |
| 01:55 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform, trinque, decimation: how does http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/serialize.h#1141 implement serialization such that it writes correctly-shaped data to CBlock here: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#2193 |
| 01:55 |
assbot |
Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/serialize.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEEq6b ) |
| 01:55 |
assbot |
Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEEqD2 ) |
| 01:55 |
ben_vulpes |
(and anyone else who understands cpp) |
| 01:58 |
decimation |
ugh template shit |
| 01:58 |
ben_vulpes |
maybe someday i'll understand what precisely's going on in serialize.h |
| 01:59 |
ben_vulpes |
just strikes me as a bit of black magic that a CDataStream can deserialize itself into a CBlock with just an overloaded right shift operator |
| 01:59 |
decimation |
yes, that's what the template does |
| 01:59 |
decimation |
'overloads' >> with another function |
| 02:05 |
ben_vulpes |
but how does it know what to serialize the block message into |
| 02:07 |
decimation |
as in, what type? |
| 02:11 |
ben_vulpes |
maybe? perhaps i'm speaking poorly of ignorance. |
| 02:11 |
ben_vulpes |
is that `CBlock block` a contiguous-ish memory section? |
| 02:13 |
mircea_popescu |
unlikely. |
| 02:13 |
decimation |
can you tell me what line you are trying to understand? where the cblock is? |
| 02:14 |
decimation |
honestly I usually end up reading C++ reference books and mumbling to myself |
| 02:15 |
ben_vulpes |
decimation: i'm struggling to understand how http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#2193 results in a data structure that ProcessBlock can understand |
| 02:15 |
assbot |
Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEGdYT ) |
| 02:16 |
ben_vulpes |
http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#1424 << processblock, third line of which calls pblock->GetHash() |
| 02:16 |
assbot |
Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEGkUc ) |
| 02:21 |
decimation |
lol it calls a macro http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/serialize.h#0098 |
| 02:21 |
assbot |
Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/serialize.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEGJ9h ) |
| 02:27 |
decimation |
the IMPLEMENT_SERIALIZE in CBlock is here http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.h#0800 |
| 02:27 |
assbot |
Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEHdw9 ) |
| 02:27 |
decimation |
any class that serializes implements this macro |
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~ 16 minutes ~ |
| 02:43 |
mats |
http://messageboard.inhalant.org/post/my-isopropyl-alcohol-story-6562564 jesus |
| 02:43 |
assbot |
My isopropyl alcohol story. - Inhalant Abuse Prevention ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEILpO ) |
| 02:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39350 @ 0.00040276 = 15.8486 BTC [-] {2} |
| 02:49 |
punkman |
mats, lol. he's in netherlands, has money, and can't find better drugs than denatured alcohol? |
| 02:49 |
mats |
that occurred to me as well |
| 02:58 |
trinque |
"I did it because i like the smell." << bahaha |
| 02:58 |
trinque |
I've heard that one re: cocaine too |
| 02:58 |
trinque |
I'm sure in this case he means it. |
| 03:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00039684 = 5.5756 BTC [-] |
| 03:01 |
trinque |
I have sometimes been so worried about what huffing isopropyl alcohol did to me that I have even faked symptoms so that I could go to the doctor repeatedly and get all kinds of check-ups. << I gotta wonder if these people aren't just addicted to the notion that they're doing something crazy and bad. |
| 03:02 |
trinque |
and love whatever attention that brings too |
| 03:14 |
punkman |
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3139679/Meet-Shabani-handsome-gorilla-raised-Australia-fame-Japan-women-flock-zoo-just-him.html |
| 03:14 |
assbot |
Gorilla Shabani who was raised in Australia has found fame in Japan | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1dq5A9s ) |
| 03:17 |
punkman |
http://www.rgj.com/longform/news/2015/06/26/blm-wants-vip-compound-burning-man/29318493/ |
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| 03:17 |
assbot |
RGJ Exclusive: BLM wants $1 million VIP compound from Burning Man ... ( http://bit.ly/1eRxjl1 ) |
| 03:24 |
cazalla |
mircea_popescu, ya have not blocked me from qntra.net/wp-admin with iptables have ya? |
| 03:25 |
punkman |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_yCA0dsloE |
| 03:25 |
assbot |
Scary fire accident in Taiwan!!! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dq6nap ) |
| 03:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00039608 = 3.0894 BTC [-] {2} |
| 03:26 |
cazalla |
punkman, we don't need no water let the mother fucker burn.. |
| 03:28 |
punkman |
heh |
| 03:32 |
cazalla |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBfoFl0mnho |
| 03:32 |
assbot |
Walmart Refuses to Make Confederate Flag, But Makes This Cake Instead - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1eRyiSe ) |
| 03:33 |
cazalla |
could only get better if they storm his house and arrest him for an ISIS cake |
| 03:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44812 @ 0.00040145 = 17.9898 BTC [+] |
| 03:36 |
punkman |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-06-2015#1176407 << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrlYJqPvLks |
| 03:36 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-06-2015 17:21:41; mircea_popescu: "fata care cere palme" < face that demands slapping |
| 03:36 |
assbot |
Referendum (Grèce, Grecia, Greece, Griechenland, Grécia) : Alexis Tsipras - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1eRyAbK ) |
| 03:45 |
scoopbot_revived |
Mining Difficulty Decreases By -0.58% http://qntra.net/2015/06/mining-difficulty-decreases-by-0-58/ |
| 03:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15145 @ 0.00041102 = 6.2249 BTC [+] {2} |
| 03:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9255 @ 0.00041723 = 3.8615 BTC [+] {2} |
| 03:48 |
ben_vulpes |
cazalla: would benefit from a chart |
| 03:51 |
punkman |
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHK_W17UgAEuLIl.jpg |
| 03:51 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1eRzIw7 ) |
| 03:53 |
cazalla |
ben_vulpes, ay yo charts don't be earning no s.qntr shares CC: pete_dushenski |
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~ 26 minutes ~ |
| 04:19 |
punkman |
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-27/fx-brokerages-move-close-only-ahead-monday-open |
| 04:19 |
assbot |
FX Brokerages Move To "Close Only" Ahead Of Monday Open | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1eRBLQw ) |
| 04:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24445 @ 0.00042024 = 10.2728 BTC [+] {2} |
| 04:25 |
jurov |
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/06/27/cnn-confuses-butt-plug-and-dildo-banner-for-isis-flag-at-pride/ |
| 04:25 |
assbot |
CNN confuses sex toy banner for ISIS flag at Pride · PinkNews ... ( http://bit.ly/1eRC9i4 ) |
| 04:25 |
jurov |
lol they see isis everywhere |
| 04:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4131 @ 0.00042098 = 1.7391 BTC [+] |
| 04:26 |
punkman |
jurov, in their defence, it looks like one |
| 04:26 |
jurov |
not on second look |
| 04:35 |
cazalla |
somewhat similar to that if you dropped a few stars from the ussa flag, you'd still think it was the ussa flag |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
| 04:51 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla have not, no. |
| 04:51 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180271 << hos gotta knows where to flock. |
| 04:51 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-06-2015 07:17:23; punkman: http://www.rgj.com/longform/news/2015/06/26/blm-wants-vip-compound-burning-man/29318493/ |
| 04:52 |
cazalla |
got in eventually, just took 5-10m to log into wp-admin for some reason |
| 04:52 |
mircea_popescu |
now, why would it be for ~officials~ is another matter. |
| 04:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30708 @ 0.00042154 = 12.9447 BTC [+] {2} |
| 05:10 |
punkman |
!up MacCheese |
| 05:14 |
MacCheese |
Does slackware spy on what you do on your computer? |
| 05:14 |
MacCheese |
I am Jesus Christ |
| 05:15 |
punkman |
welcome |
| 05:21 |
MacCheese |
meowmix081? |
| 05:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55750 @ 0.00041856 = 23.3347 BTC [-] |
| 05:25 |
MacCheese |
!s meowmix081 |
| 05:25 |
assbot |
1 results for 'meowmix081' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=meowmix081 |
| 05:26 |
MacCheese |
!s meowmix |
| 05:26 |
assbot |
59 results for 'meowmix' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=meowmix |
| 05:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11791 @ 0.00042428 = 5.0027 BTC [+] |
| 05:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00041856 = 1.6742 BTC [-] |
| 05:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41098 @ 0.00041744 = 17.1559 BTC [-] {2} |
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~ 1 hours 13 minutes ~ |
| 06:55 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10526 @ 0.00042428 = 4.466 BTC [+] |
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~ 1 hours 1 minutes ~ |
| 07:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68803 @ 0.00042449 = 29.2062 BTC [+] {4} |
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~ 1 hours 9 minutes ~ |
| 09:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49550 @ 0.00041744 = 20.6842 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 31 minutes ~ |
| 09:37 |
punkman |
http://www.williamhillplc.com/media/newsroom/media-releases/2015/no-more-bets-on-grexit/ |
| 09:37 |
assbot |
William Hill PLC: No More Bets On Grexit - Media releases - Newsroom - Media ... ( http://bit.ly/1BYNpUd ) |
| 09:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00041744 = 5.385 BTC [-] |
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| 10:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38800 @ 0.00041531 = 16.114 BTC [-] {3} |
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~ 16 minutes ~ |
| 10:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00041437 = 8.909 BTC [-] {2} |
| 10:18 |
decimation |
asciilifeform, others: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/serialize.h#0074 < hilarious. C++ methods being 'metaprogrammed' by C macro |
| 10:18 |
assbot |
Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/serialize.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1JrAIDH ) |
| 10:18 |
decimation |
satoshi had no shame |
| 10:20 |
decimation |
mixing C preprocessor and C++ templates would only occur to someone who had programed much C spagetti code in his life |
| 10:22 |
decimation |
ben_vulpes: to be clear, IMPLEMENT_SERIALIZE is a C preprocessor macro that is composed of other C preprocessor macros (READWRITE) that ends up dangling all the serialize/deserialize methods onto classes of his choosing |
| 10:23 |
decimation |
the methods themselves being C++ template methods |
| |
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| 10:23 |
punkman |
nice one |
| 10:25 |
kakobrekla |
spacex just disintegrated heh |
| 10:33 |
mats |
i was also watching the stream |
| 10:33 |
mats |
rocket disintegrates mid air |
| 10:33 |
mats |
...oops. |
| 10:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19904 @ 0.00041404 = 8.2411 BTC [-] |
| 10:45 |
asciilifeform |
;;later tell mircea_popescu sync from your node (or from hitler's mitm node...!) is at 193600+ and counting |
| 10:45 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 10:47 |
asciilifeform |
traceroute looks same today as last night. |
| 10:48 |
asciilifeform |
and it still runs in 'bursts.' |
| 11:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37350 @ 0.00040364 = 15.076 BTC [-] |
| 11:14 |
asciilifeform |
'BLM Special Agent Dan Love of Salt Lake City was cited multiple times as the person behind many of the BLM requests, according to the emails. Love will have a personal bathroom trailer to be shared with only one other official, according to documents. Love also led the BLM operation against Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy that ended in a standoff with Bundy's armed supporters. He did not return requests for comment this week.' |
| 11:14 |
asciilifeform |
^ mega-l0l |
| 11:15 |
* |
asciilifeform has never been to 'burning man' thing and never really grasped the appeal |
| 11:15 |
mats |
'culture' |
| 11:15 |
asciilifeform |
if i wanted to sit in the sun and dig latrines i could do it for free in .mil |
| 11:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16491 @ 0.00040364 = 6.6564 BTC [-] |
| 11:18 |
asciilifeform |
they have better pyrotechnics too. |
| 11:21 |
asciilifeform |
http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/serialize.h#0074 << cpp programmers in particular have no notion of hygiene. and the more experienced, the less of a notion they have, as a rule |
| 11:21 |
assbot |
Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/serialize.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnqlkG ) |
| 11:23 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180335 << pretty much what naggum said: the language and its ecosystem encourages this kind of mental decay - and selects for the susceptible in the first place |
| 11:23 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-06-2015 14:23:29; decimation: the methods themselves being C++ template methods |
| 11:24 |
asciilifeform |
see http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3088289335876823@naggum.no.html |
| 11:24 |
assbot |
Re: Why a lisp OS? Re: Help required on Limitations of Lisp - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1NquySi ) |
| 11:24 |
asciilifeform |
in particular, 'in a sense, Windows is a result of the way C++ builds environments, like Unix is a result of how C does it.' |
| 11:34 |
asciilifeform |
https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-hacker/1999-08/msg00049.html << drepper! |
| 11:34 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1NqvNB2 ) |
| 11:34 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu ^^ |
| 11:35 |
asciilifeform |
(re: the gconv thing. i've been bashing my head against the conundrum of how to tear out that idiocy from my static build) |
| 11:35 |
asciilifeform |
it ~has~ to go |
| 11:35 |
asciilifeform |
go and strace the thing and yes, it snarfs up this perfectly-irrelevant turd from disk |
| 11:36 |
asciilifeform |
https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-hacker/1999-08/msg00051.html << moar of same |
| 11:36 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1Nqw332 ) |
| 11:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45100 @ 0.00040671 = 18.3426 BTC [+] {3} |
| 11:38 |
asciilifeform |
poettering et al are small change in comparison |
| 11:38 |
asciilifeform |
linux ecosystem was drepperized so long ago that scarcely anyone remembers. |
| 11:40 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180185 << my build cannot be considered battlefield-ready in this sense until the gconv thing is burned out with hot irons |
| 11:40 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-06-2015 05:26:58; mircea_popescu: also, kernel is a good idea maybe for pogo. not for a proper server. you want people to add it to all their noncritical dedis. |
| 11:41 |
asciilifeform |
that thing is a ready, lubricated orifice for slithering vermin |
| 11:43 |
asciilifeform |
the thing that boggles my mind is that rms ~must~ have known about the fifth column |
| 11:43 |
asciilifeform |
how has he not spoken out (or eaten his pistol...) yet ? |
| 11:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17892 @ 0.00039688 = 7.101 BTC [-] |
| 11:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40805 @ 0.00039626 = 16.1694 BTC [-] {2} |
| 11:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12648 @ 0.00039532 = 5 BTC [-] |
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| 12:27 |
chetty |
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/06/26/artificial-intelligence-machine-gets-testy-with-its-programmers/ |
| 12:27 |
assbot |
Artificial Intelligence Machine Gets Testy With Its Programmer - Digits - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDtxTo ) |
| 12:28 |
chetty |
is it just me or does that machine sound a bit like mp? |
| 12:42 |
asciilifeform |
'...The exchange sheds further light on the latest work carried out by large technology firms in the field of artificial intelligence, a booming field...' << apparently today is still 1966, weizenbaum's 'eliza' is 'latest work' |
| 12:42 |
asciilifeform |
!up bitcoinfailed |
| 12:43 |
* |
asciilifeform loves the open-ended 'failed' used in the english language |
| 12:44 |
asciilifeform |
sentence doesn't need an object, why'd ya want that, aha |
| 12:45 |
kakobrekla |
Human: What do you like to talk about? |
| 12:45 |
kakobrekla |
Machine: Nothing. |
| 12:45 |
kakobrekla |
seems quite honest to me |
| 12:45 |
asciilifeform |
;;later tell BingoBoingo in your gardening, have you ever used a 19th c.-style muscle-powered grass cutter? i did today, and noticed that it is actually less exhausting than petrol-powered variety on account of my not breathing CO from tailpipe |
| 12:45 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 12:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52197 @ 0.00039377 = 20.5536 BTC [-] |
| 13:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00039826 = 8.005 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 22 minutes ~ |
| 13:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00039826 = 7.2882 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 27 minutes ~ |
| 13:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23800 @ 0.00039416 = 9.381 BTC [-] |
| 13:59 |
asciilifeform |
208002... |
| 14:01 |
* |
asciilifeform is coming to think that we will be needing a mechanism for out-of-band (hashes, pgp) comparison of blockchains |
| 14:02 |
* |
asciilifeform is not ~at all~ certain that he is actually pulling from mircea_popescu's box, rather than a preet's |
| 14:02 |
ben_vulpes |
how could one tell? ordering of blocks? |
| 14:02 |
asciilifeform |
tell what ? |
| 14:02 |
asciilifeform |
whether he and i have same ? |
| 14:02 |
asciilifeform |
by hashing and sending pgpgram... |
| 14:03 |
ben_vulpes |
there's no guarantee that you'll produce the same blockchain on disk, though. |
| 14:03 |
asciilifeform |
precisely |
| 14:03 |
asciilifeform |
hence why we need a mechanism to actually checksum the blocks and dump it to a man-readable form |
| 14:04 |
ben_vulpes |
i would actually be *surprised* if you did produce the same disk bytes via a network cslurping |
| 14:04 |
asciilifeform |
can reuse the 'checkpoint' code for this |
| |
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| 14:04 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: you know full well that it won't |
| 14:04 |
asciilifeform |
which is why i said 'we need mechanism...' rather than 'hey mircea_popescu, hash those db turds and send me back via pgp wontcha' |
| 14:04 |
ben_vulpes |
i surmise |
| 14:05 |
ben_vulpes |
the thing at this point lies spread apart on my vivisection table |
| 14:05 |
ben_vulpes |
i've not yet mapped its circulatory system, much less how it excretes |
| 14:05 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: if you wanna perform a heroid deed, find out how to nuke gconv |
| 14:06 |
asciilifeform |
*heroic |
| 14:06 |
asciilifeform |
so far, all i learned is that it can - supposedly - be disabled during glibc build config. but this is not what i want |
| 14:06 |
ben_vulpes |
i'm not actually entirely certain where the gconv stuff is coming in |
| 14:06 |
asciilifeform |
if i have to write an elf diddler to yank it out of the binary, i will |
| 14:07 |
asciilifeform |
but would rather not come to this |
| 14:07 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: it is coming via glibc |
| 14:07 |
asciilifeform |
see the drepper link earlier today |
| 14:07 |
asciilifeform |
that fucker is responsible |
| 14:07 |
asciilifeform |
was quite open about it. |
| 14:08 |
ben_vulpes |
that, sir, is over my pay grade. |
| 14:08 |
asciilifeform |
i'm still hoping that i overlooked something, and that it can be disabled via civilized means |
| 14:08 |
ben_vulpes |
behavior tracker has my attention at the moment. |
| 14:09 |
ben_vulpes |
(or is that another "jam tomorrow"?) |
| 14:09 |
asciilifeform |
? |
| 14:09 |
asciilifeform |
which behaviour |
| 14:09 |
ben_vulpes |
"peer ranker" |
| 14:10 |
ben_vulpes |
dun think the thing has a formal name yet. but that which is responsible for grading peers while syncing. |
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| 14:10 |
asciilifeform |
as far as i can tell, there is no intelligence in it beyond the misbehave... crap |
| 14:10 |
ben_vulpes |
i speak of mircea_popescu's desired behavior. |
| 14:10 |
asciilifeform |
that will only make sense once the pipe itself is authenticable |
| |
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| 14:10 |
asciilifeform |
(gossip) |
| 14:10 |
asciilifeform |
right now, as i said, no one has any idea who he is talking to |
| 14:11 |
* |
ben_vulpes rolls eyes |
| 14:11 |
asciilifeform |
for all i know, i'm syncing from a stooge box planted only a few miles away at my isp |
| 14:11 |
asciilifeform |
and it is slow because philipinos have to crap out the diddled blocks by hand |
| |
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| 14:11 |
ben_vulpes |
and if thbox serves at a high bandwidth few bastards and blocks that all verify, why not prefer it over others? |
| 14:12 |
asciilifeform |
'few bastards' is not a criterion while we're using the classical sync mechanism; |
| 14:12 |
asciilifeform |
e.g., mircea_popescu's box craps out as many bastards as anyone's |
| 14:12 |
asciilifeform |
on account of there being no intelligence whatsoever in the sync code |
| 14:12 |
ben_vulpes |
ah have ye tested that yet? |
| 14:12 |
asciilifeform |
i have the thing scrolling on own display |
| 14:12 |
asciilifeform |
have been watching it, on and off, since started |
| 14:12 |
mats |
http://newsexaminer.net/politics/sex-offenders-now-required-transparent-rainbows-profile-pictures |
| 14:12 |
assbot |
Sex Offenders Now Required To Have Transparent Rainbows On Their Profile Image - News Examiner - Examine Your World ... ( http://bit.ly/1BZnOdC ) |
| 14:12 |
ben_vulpes |
"blonde, brunette, redhead..." |
| 14:13 |
* |
ben_vulpes is still curious about the block-vomiting process, and how bastards make it in |
| 14:13 |
asciilifeform |
mats: l0l, a new 'the onion' |
| 14:15 |
mats |
pretty good. |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
| 14:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 313 @ 0.00463062 = 1.4494 BTC [-] {10} |
| 14:31 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: I use plug-in electric lawnmower |
| |
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| 14:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00039416 = 14.0715 BTC [-] |
| 14:31 |
decimation |
the cord is a little annoying but lack of co coming from exhaust is worthwhile |
| 14:45 |
mircea_popescu |
<asciilifeform> and it still runs in 'bursts.' << this is a very strange behaviour. what's 193k, like 3-5% ? |
| 14:46 |
mircea_popescu |
'BLM Special Agent" ? what the fuck ? everyone in the us got their power rangers now ? |
| 14:47 |
mircea_popescu |
* asciilifeform has never been to 'burning man' thing and never really grasped the appeal << pretty much the ONLY remaining spot on the west coast to meet slovenly females that are undemanding. |
| 14:47 |
mircea_popescu |
your average adolescent male does not own a shirt. the female he'd be interested in dreams about waiting for "the right saudi prince". |
| 14:47 |
mircea_popescu |
imagine the tensions. |
| 14:47 |
mircea_popescu |
them silly kids will not really shoot for burning man, of course, but they'd be REALLY really sad in their corner if it went away. |
| 14:48 |
mircea_popescu |
"self reliance" = "we fuck in the dirt" |
| 14:49 |
decimation |
I wonder how long it will be until 'BLM special agents' start claiming sovereignty over their lands |
| 14:50 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news, i propose a petition to have the "Child Porn" utility removed from linux. why is not MauVe enough ? |
| 14:50 |
mircea_popescu |
only thing they do with CP is CI anyway. |
| 14:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00039876 = 11.9628 BTC [+] {2} |
| 14:51 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform gets a confirmed kill https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-hacker/1999-08/msg00050.html drepper's the enemy. |
| 14:52 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1eSLy8Z ) |
| 14:52 |
mircea_popescu |
" nobody used the code for real " ; "I personally don't care at all how big static binaries are." |
| 14:52 |
mircea_popescu |
it's like a religion. |
| 14:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16776 @ 0.00040003 = 6.7109 BTC [+] |
| 14:52 |
mircea_popescu |
"Nobody must use them except for very few exceptions and for those larger code size is ok." |
| 14:53 |
decimation |
heh |
| 14:54 |
decimation |
well, as we have discussed here before, the whole idea of shared libraries is kind of a fucktarded version of 'global namespaces' |
| 14:55 |
mircea_popescu |
not ~really~. |
| 14:57 |
mircea_popescu |
and i base myself on the fact that they worked pretty well in practice until the new generation of "reformist" idiots got involved, and put 'locale' as a concept in c. |
| 14:57 |
mircea_popescu |
before that existed, python worked fine, and static builds were trhe default and so on. |
| 15:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.0004011 = 10.1879 BTC [+] {2} |
| 15:02 |
mircea_popescu |
<asciilifeform> linux ecosystem was drepperized so long ago that scarcely anyone remembers. << kinda why everyone is reacting with so much disbelief at the sudden "this is not acceptable". they had been doing it forever, gavin as a marginally retarded peripheral agent of the idiocy got totally blindsided by an armed insurection. that we'd pursue it is i suppose plainly unthinkable, the sort of thing the rmcgraths of th |
| 15:02 |
mircea_popescu |
e world were dreaming about in their cells twenty years ago, like my grandfather looking at the sky waiting for "the americans" to show up. |
| 15:02 |
mircea_popescu |
this is also why poettering et all so plainly expected it to work etc/ |
| 15:03 |
mircea_popescu |
it all makes perfect sense, looking at it now. they look like patently insane if considered on the merits, but if considered culturally they are simply "i just work here" and "this is how the world works". about as insane as an ant. |
| 15:03 |
mircea_popescu |
and as decimation points out, yes we've agreed an ant's insane. |
| 15:05 |
mircea_popescu |
<asciilifeform> the thing that boggles my mind is that rms ~must~ have known about the fifth column << you would have expected to read about it on his trilema, yes ? of what is this expectation built, if not out of the existence of trilema, and of the existence of mpoe-pr at my orders, and of the culture this engendered ? rms does not read trilema ; in his ignorance, trilema does not exist and same thing can not be rep |
| 15:05 |
mircea_popescu |
roduced for "reasons". and so he is in the unenviable position of one whom we do not doubt that behaves as one that is guilty - ie, must have known, said nothing ever. |
| 15:06 |
mircea_popescu |
<chetty> is it just me or does that machine sound a bit like mp? << o.O |
| 15:07 |
mircea_popescu |
"The exchange sheds further light on the latest work" << yeah. it sheds the following light : "work" by these wankers consists these days of outputting random strings from pre-made texts and trying to do a cute seleciton thereof. |
| 15:08 |
mircea_popescu |
it's so wrong it's not even cargo cult. |
| 15:09 |
asciilifeform |
thing is still running in (short) bursts, as before. |
| 15:09 |
asciilifeform |
plenty of outright disconnects, too |
| 15:09 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180407 << this is actually a very beautiful idea. |
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| 15:09 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-06-2015 18:04:02; asciilifeform: can reuse the 'checkpoint' code for this |
| 15:10 |
asciilifeform |
209209. |
| 15:10 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: it's been in my head for a while now. |
| 15:10 |
mircea_popescu |
can this actually work for 1.1 ie next version ? |
| 15:10 |
mircea_popescu |
have a -checkpoint=111 -checkpointe=113 which takes blocks 111 to 113 hashes them dumps hash. |
| 15:10 |
asciilifeform |
really shouldn't be hard. when commanded, will piss out ascii text with block # <<>> hash |
| 15:10 |
mircea_popescu |
aye |
| 15:12 |
mircea_popescu |
to think that it's not already in there for crying out loud. |
| 15:12 |
mircea_popescu |
how have i lived before ? |
| 15:12 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180430 << another worthy direction yes. |
| 15:12 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-06-2015 18:10:04; ben_vulpes: dun think the thing has a formal name yet. but that which is responsible for grading peers while syncing. |
| 15:13 |
asciilifeform |
other thing, that will have to be added, imho, asap, is a non-retarded version of 'connect' |
| 15:13 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180433 << as you clearly notice, the pipe is authenticable does not equal gosspid : we can have out of band authenticifaction as per the above mechanism. |
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| 15:13 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-06-2015 18:10:46; asciilifeform: that will only make sense once the pipe itself is authenticable |
| 15:13 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform also 1.1 ideally yes. |
| 15:13 |
asciilifeform |
where 1) can -connect to *multiple* boxes 2) does not as result wall off from inbound connections |
| 15:13 |
asciilifeform |
say i wanna cycle between mircea_popescu's 3 boxen |
| 15:13 |
mircea_popescu |
1 before 2, yes. |
| 15:14 |
mircea_popescu |
the entire idea of what we are building here is NODE HIERARCHY. |
| |
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| 15:14 |
asciilifeform |
or say i wanna permit inbounds from lusers but never getblocks() from them |
| 15:14 |
mircea_popescu |
which is to say, i wish my node to connect only to people on THIS list, and let anyone connect to it. |
| 15:14 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: what about connecting something to a running bitcoind, siphoning off blocks as they are 'validated'? |
| 15:14 |
decimation |
re-index into sane database |
| 15:14 |
mircea_popescu |
then the ability of the wankers to poison the chain becomes nil : sure, whatever nodes listen to them listen to them. the infrastructure does not. |
| 15:14 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: that's plain old -connect |
| 15:15 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: or if you meant some oddball 'embrace & extend' of the sync protocol - yeah, we'll probably get there eventually |
| 15:15 |
decimation |
yeah I guess that's kinda what I mean |
| 15:15 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180438 << this would be so fucking great if it's the case. |
| 15:15 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-06-2015 18:11:44; asciilifeform: and it is slow because philipinos have to crap out the diddled blocks by hand |
| 15:15 |
mircea_popescu |
those poor schmucks imagine. |
| 15:15 |
decimation |
implant probes into bitcoind to suck out its blocks |
| 15:15 |
mircea_popescu |
they had to murder the connection to buy themselves another 16 hours, because OMFG THEY'RE DOING WHAT ?!?!? NOW ?!?! |
| 15:15 |
mircea_popescu |
and now have to work it |
| 15:16 |
mircea_popescu |
ahhhh |
| 15:16 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: if enemy action indeed rather than the net being a ruinous ball of yarn - they were probably fuzzing for various protocol boojums |
| 15:17 |
asciilifeform |
of course, plain old reroute for snorting with derelict infrastructure would have similar 'molasses' effect.. |
| 15:17 |
asciilifeform |
^ the most likely picture |
| 15:17 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180453 << i use the same thing. co2 doesn't bother me much, however, i will go into the ss before i put up with that sort of wrist vibration. |
| 15:17 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-06-2015 18:31:21; decimation: asciilifeform: I use plug-in electric lawnmower |
| 15:17 |
mircea_popescu |
i intend to remain able to type my entire lifespan. |
| 15:18 |
decimation |
well, the other reason I use electric: one less engine to maintain |
| 15:18 |
asciilifeform |
what kind of grass mircea_popescu cuts in his flat, lol |
| 15:18 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform in timisoara i had a garden recall ? |
| 15:18 |
asciilifeform |
aha! |
| 15:18 |
asciilifeform |
yes. |
| 15:18 |
mircea_popescu |
well, that. |
| 15:18 |
decimation |
no gas to store, no oil to change, etc |
| 15:18 |
mircea_popescu |
and it was about 1/4 ton of grass each cutting. |
| 15:18 |
mircea_popescu |
which means about 20 in a year, which the neighbours helpfully PUT OUTSIDE BY THEIR DUMPSTERS. |
| 15:19 |
mircea_popescu |
then went to supermarket and bought feed for the poor yard. |
| 15:19 |
asciilifeform |
l0l |
| 15:19 |
mircea_popescu |
then they will wish to know why isis comes and beheads them |
| 15:19 |
mircea_popescu |
and it will be an unexpolainable hatred, i'm sure. |
| 15:20 |
decimation |
mircea_popescu: generally here the received wisdom is that you want to leave grass clippings on the lawn |
| 15:20 |
* |
asciilifeform bbl, playing with pet |
| 15:20 |
decimation |
rots, recycles nutrients |
| 15:20 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation what i did was pile it all in a corner. |
| 15:21 |
mircea_popescu |
also rots. also provides nutrients. can be split up over the yard beforer first snow. |
| 15:21 |
decimation |
yeah, that works too |
| 15:21 |
mircea_popescu |
also attracts birds. |
| 15:21 |
decimation |
you can add kitchen scraps and wood clippings, make good compost |
| 15:21 |
mircea_popescu |
ideally you start it with a good offering of herbivore droppings. |
| 15:22 |
decimation |
that's a good idea |
| 15:22 |
mircea_popescu |
and i did add the wood clippings, ie, me cutting off an apple and a pear tree into shape over a coupla years, after having been neglected for 5ish |
| 15:22 |
decimation |
I've also heard of going to the nearest swamp and grabbing the muck |
| 15:22 |
mircea_popescu |
not very useful, for your thing will not be either that wet or that basic. very acidic |
| 15:22 |
mircea_popescu |
horsesht the only way to go. |
| 15:23 |
decimation |
yeah that's a good idea |
| 15:23 |
decimation |
^ note that this is how people made fertiziler since the dawn of time |
| 15:23 |
mircea_popescu |
just don't put anything coniferous / wallnut in there. |
| 15:23 |
mircea_popescu |
like the ornamental tree stuffs. |
| 15:26 |
mircea_popescu |
"You don't have to boot frmo the CDROM. And if you need a router you have a network and therefore can connect to another machine." |
| 15:26 |
mircea_popescu |
Date: 19 Aug 1999 15:38:56 -0700 |
| 15:26 |
mircea_popescu |
imo nsa of 1999 was much better organised than the crap of today. |
| 15:27 |
mircea_popescu |
For instance: #include <stdio.h> int main(int argc, char **argv) { printf ("Hello World\n"); } compiles to 985,018 bytes. This is almost all libc overhead. |
| 15:27 |
mircea_popescu |
what is it by now ? 4mb ? |
| 15:28 |
decimation |
heh |
| 15:30 |
decimation |
it's only 8.3k on mac osx |
| 15:30 |
mircea_popescu |
that's pretty good. |
| 15:31 |
decimation |
6.4kbyte on redhat 6 |
| 15:34 |
decimation |
that's shared linking though |
| 15:34 |
mircea_popescu |
nonono, static |
| 15:36 |
decimation |
heh 743kbyte on redhat |
| 15:36 |
mircea_popescu |
mmkay. |
| 15:37 |
mircea_popescu |
incredible that this "free world" thing has waited patiently, and incredibly quietly, for 25 years for us to show up. i imagine it will be very hurt in its hopes and aspirations when i spit in its mouth. |
| 15:37 |
mircea_popescu |
because truly, it was waiting for salvation! resisting through culture! |
| 15:37 |
mircea_popescu |
they really did mean to assassinate hitler! |
| 15:38 |
mircea_popescu |
just biding their time, waiting for a good opportunity, honest! wanted to do maximum damage, and as we all know, ~MAXIMUM~ damage is always in the future. |
| 15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
what's needed is a fucking ISCS. the intellectual state of computer science. |
| 15:39 |
decimation |
heh |
| 15:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37819 @ 0.00040263 = 15.2271 BTC [+] {2} |
| 15:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110900 @ 0.00039366 = 43.6569 BTC [-] {4} |
| 15:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23043 @ 0.0003933 = 9.0628 BTC [-] |
| 16:01 |
punkman |
...and banks closed for a week, maybe. |
| 16:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41350 @ 0.0003933 = 16.263 BTC [-] |
| 16:06 |
punkman |
also first jackpot yesterday, burglars got away with some guy's safe containing 700k in cash/jewelry |
| 16:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36650 @ 0.00040537 = 14.8568 BTC [+] {2} |
| |
~ 17 minutes ~ |
| 16:34 |
asciilifeform |
214873. |
| 16:37 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180504 << still need it, to, e.g., keep lusers from taking shits into the mempool |
| 16:37 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-06-2015 19:13:22; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180433 << as you clearly notice, the pipe is authenticable does not equal gosspid : we can have out of band authenticifaction as per the above mechanism. |
| |
~ 19 minutes ~ |
| 16:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31619 @ 0.000407 = 12.8689 BTC [+] |
| 16:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27793 @ 0.00040714 = 11.3156 BTC [+] {2} |
| 16:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32407 @ 0.0004092 = 13.2609 BTC [+] |
| 17:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39950 @ 0.0004092 = 16.3475 BTC [+] |
| 17:13 |
chetty |
asciilifeform, if my node only connects to your node mempool is safe right |
| 17:13 |
asciilifeform |
whose ? |
| 17:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.0004048 = 5.2422 BTC [-] {2} |
| 17:30 |
chetty |
mine |
| 17:30 |
asciilifeform |
depends on who got to crap in mine, doesnit. |
| 17:30 |
chetty |
yes |
| 17:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10820 @ 0.00039959 = 4.3236 BTC [-] {2} |
| 17:37 |
ben_vulpes |
<mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180430 << another worthy direction yes. << not jam tomorrow, then? |
| 17:37 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-06-2015 18:10:04; ben_vulpes: dun think the thing has a formal name yet. but that which is responsible for grading peers while syncing. |
| 17:46 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: Misbehaving is p lulzy |
| 17:46 |
ben_vulpes |
great enumeration of badness |
| 17:48 |
cazalla |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180453 <<< electric mower and whipper snipper seems like a recipe for trouble |
| 17:48 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-06-2015 18:31:21; decimation: asciilifeform: I use plug-in electric lawnmower |
| 17:50 |
mats |
i dun even have a lawn |
| 17:50 |
mats |
and i am glad |
| 17:51 |
cazalla |
i wish i could mow the lawn every day |
| 17:52 |
mats |
what are we talking about now |
| 17:53 |
ben_vulpes |
caz has a shaving fetish, gets razor burn, tries not to cry, cries a lot |
| 17:54 |
mats |
pretty tame compared to mp's interests |
| 17:55 |
cazalla |
a shaving fetish.. that's a first.. gotta google this one |
| 17:56 |
cazalla |
who would've guessed.. manshavingfetish.blogspot.com.au |
| 17:56 |
ben_vulpes |
heh. |
| 17:56 |
ben_vulpes |
rule 48. |
| 17:56 |
cazalla |
seriously though, i enjoy mowing the lawn, that fresh cut look, the smell, the goodies for my compost |
| 17:57 |
mats |
i dunno what i expected when i clicked that |
| 17:57 |
mats |
insta regret |
| 17:58 |
cazalla |
mats, just don't drop dead in front of PC with that page open eh |
| 18:11 |
mats |
"There are still too many people out there who think (or even insist) that static linking has benefits. This has never been the case and never will be the case." this guy... |
| 18:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00039431 = 3.9825 BTC [-] {2} |
| |
~ 20 minutes ~ |
| 18:37 |
trinque |
a yard sale was selling a mac performa for five bucks... so now I own one of those |
| 18:37 |
* |
trinque shrugs |
| 18:37 |
trinque |
maybe fun for old mac games |
| 18:38 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30388 @ 0.00040896 = 12.4275 BTC [+] |
| 18:43 |
trinque |
hypercard "player" ? |
| 18:43 |
trinque |
wtf is this shit |
| 18:43 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=658 |
| 18:43 |
assbot |
Loper OS » How to Run HyperCard Under Emulation ... ( http://bit.ly/1QXIxoO ) |
| 18:43 |
asciilifeform |
get the real one |
| 18:43 |
asciilifeform |
(as seen in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568 ) |
| 18:43 |
assbot |
Loper OS » Why Hypercard Had to Die ... ( http://bit.ly/1QXIx8g ) |
| 18:44 |
trinque |
sweet, ty |
| 18:46 |
cazalla |
dat wicked sense of humour https://twitter.com/abuuomar428/status/614714028368232448 |
| 18:47 |
trinque |
asciilifeform: it does seem as per your write-up, that there was a far more inventive apple once upon a time, which jobs put to a stop in favor of iOS appification |
| 18:47 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: hypercard was written by 1 guy |
| 18:47 |
asciilifeform |
(initially) |
| 18:47 |
asciilifeform |
so not 'more inventive apple' |
| 18:47 |
trinque |
ah |
| 18:47 |
asciilifeform |
just less actively retarded |
| 18:48 |
trinque |
would this one take that microexplorer card? |
| 18:48 |
trinque |
not that I've been able to find one anywhere online |
| 18:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4150 @ 0.00039412 = 1.6356 BTC [-] |
| 18:49 |
asciilifeform |
microexplorer ? |
| 18:50 |
trinque |
lisp machine board for the mac of some sort |
| 18:50 |
asciilifeform |
you may be thinking of symbolics's 'macivory' |
| 18:50 |
asciilifeform |
you can get these from dave schmidt, virginia, usa |
| 18:50 |
trinque |
that's another I think |
| 18:51 |
asciilifeform |
'explorer' was the crappy texas instruments lispm |
| 18:51 |
asciilifeform |
(they were among the original mit licensees, yes) |
| 18:51 |
trinque |
http://lemonodor.com/archives/2002/10/ti_microexplore.html |
| 18:51 |
assbot |
Lemonodor: TI microExplorer ... ( http://bit.ly/1RJR8qc ) |
| 18:51 |
trinque |
ah k |
| 18:51 |
asciilifeform |
it is barely a step above the original 'cadr' machine |
| 18:51 |
asciilifeform |
'macivory' was on the other hand pretty much as good as it got |
| 18:51 |
trinque |
only purpose of this archaelogical dig is my own historical education |
| 18:51 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.symbolics-dks.com << if you want one, talk to this fella |
| 18:51 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1RJR9KV ) |
| 18:52 |
asciilifeform |
it'll be somewhere south of 2k usd |
| 18:52 |
asciilifeform |
(last i checked. which was some years ago.) |
| |
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| 19:23 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: I've used a couple. I like the strong lines they put in the grass, but they cut so short |
| |
~ 18 minutes ~ |
| 19:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53347 @ 0.00040923 = 21.8312 BTC [+] {3} |
| 19:48 |
trinque |
ah turns out it had an original hypercard already on there from 1996 |
| 19:54 |
trinque |
and flying toasters! |
| 19:54 |
trinque |
what else does a guy need |
| 20:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16403 @ 0.00040763 = 6.6864 BTC [-] {2} |
| 20:04 |
ben_vulpes |
trinque: does it have 'naughty dog' as well? |
| 20:07 |
trinque |
ben_vulpes: nah this version of after dark only has 5 screen savers |
| 20:08 |
trinque |
no naughty dog, no lawn mower man |
| 20:14 |
ben_vulpes |
disappointing. |
| 20:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8157 @ 0.00039844 = 3.2501 BTC [-] |
| 20:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00041034 = 5.7858 BTC [+] {2} |
| 20:26 |
ben_vulpes |
http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/08/how-to-escape-the-age-of-mass-delusion/ << "resistance through culture" |
| 20:26 |
assbot |
How To Escape The Age Of Mass Delusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoFuk0 ) |
| 20:26 |
ben_vulpes |
? |
| 20:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.0004107 = 2.033 BTC [+] {2} |
| 20:37 |
mats |
http://www.securitytube.net/video/13389 |
| 20:37 |
assbot |
Circle City Con 2015 - Analyzing The Entropy Of Document Hidden Code ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoGch2 ) |
| 20:38 |
* |
BingoBoingo building stator on HUGEfreetop. Just set freetop up with Linux Mint 17.1 because lazy |
| 20:42 |
* |
asciilifeform prepares to release mighty cool thing |
| 20:44 |
mats |
BingoBoingo: do ya have a pogo yet? |
| 20:44 |
BingoBoingo |
mats: Not yet. I prolly ought to get on that soon |
| 20:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40054 @ 0.00040187 = 16.0965 BTC [-] {2} |
| 20:49 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 100000 @ 0.00003331 = 3.331 BTC [-] {13} |
| 20:50 |
mats |
did anyone ever buy a pallet of em or whatever the plan was? |
| 20:50 |
BingoBoingo |
Someone may have? |
| 20:50 |
mats |
i'd be happy to share a few bits to encourage folks to get one |
| |
↖ |
| 20:51 |
asciilifeform |
achtung, panzers! |
| 20:51 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: |
| 20:51 |
asciilifeform |
http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000103.html |
| 20:51 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1NoHhFS ) |
| 20:51 |
asciilifeform |
'(EXPERIMENTAL) Raw Block Extractor' |
| 20:51 |
mats |
would love to read the code and assist in other ways but am occupied atm |
| 20:52 |
mats |
http://netsectldr.postach.io |
| 20:52 |
assbot |
mubix | NetSec TLDR Podcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoHlp1 ) |
| 20:52 |
mats |
r/netsec roundup podcast |
| 20:52 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu asked for this (after mircea_popescu asked, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180491 ) |
| 20:52 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-06-2015 19:09:48; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180407 << this is actually a very beautiful idea. |
| 20:53 |
asciilifeform |
here it is. |
| 20:53 |
asciilifeform |
now who has the balls to write 'eatblock' ! |
| |
↖ |
| 20:54 |
asciilifeform |
after that, one could sync over 'netcat' |
| 20:54 |
asciilifeform |
(if suicidally brave) |
| |
↖ |
| 20:54 |
asciilifeform |
at line speed. |
| 20:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43400 @ 0.00039403 = 17.1009 BTC [-] {2} |
| 20:57 |
asciilifeform |
and iirc the BuildMerkleTree() is not necessary |
| 21:01 |
ben_vulpes |
yaay! |
| 21:02 |
ben_vulpes |
dude i've prayed for a thing like this for some time |
| 21:02 |
* |
asciilifeform confirmed that merkletree is not needed |
| 21:02 |
asciilifeform |
for this |
| 21:03 |
ben_vulpes |
what's with the odd indentation on 35/6? |
| 21:04 |
asciilifeform |
no idea |
| 21:04 |
asciilifeform |
all looks same on my emacs |
| 21:04 |
ben_vulpes |
i see a tab on 36 |
| 21:04 |
ben_vulpes |
not that it matters i don't imagine |
| 21:05 |
asciilifeform |
which one's that |
| 21:05 |
ben_vulpes |
line number of patch |
| 21:05 |
ben_vulpes |
let's fight about whitespace rules |
| 21:08 |
trinque |
this whole concept of "website" is fucking stupid |
| 21:09 |
trinque |
I want to simply publish the fact "I want to buy a macivory" and have anyone selling one be able to find that out |
| |
↖ |
| 21:09 |
asciilifeform |
achtung, panzers! |
| 21:09 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: |
| 21:09 |
asciilifeform |
http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000104.html |
| 21:09 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1NoIsox ) |
| 21:09 |
asciilifeform |
'(CORRECTED) (EXPERIMENTAL) Raw Block Extractor' |
| 21:10 |
ben_vulpes |
trinque: wotclassifieds! |
| 21:11 |
ben_vulpes |
gribble did this. |
| 21:11 |
trinque |
ben_vulpes: had a vague thought re: putting buys/sells in the blockchain somehow |
| 21:12 |
ben_vulpes |
NO |
| 21:12 |
trinque |
yus |
| 21:12 |
ben_vulpes |
just say no. |
| 21:12 |
trinque |
I can put whatever I like in the blockchain |
| 21:13 |
ben_vulpes |
pissing in mother crypto. |
| 21:13 |
ben_vulpes |
anyways asciilifeform if you care there are still misalignments |
| 21:13 |
* |
trinque goes off to encode dickbutt.jpg as transaction outputs |
| 21:13 |
ben_vulpes |
dickbutt.ascii hyuuuu |
| 21:13 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: fix it yourself. this can be part of you signing the thing 'i read it...' |
| 21:14 |
ben_vulpes |
as i said: 'if you care' |
| 21:16 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180722 << have you tried buying from the fella who is living in a warehouse full of'em ? |
| 21:16 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-06-2015 01:09:31; trinque: I want to simply publish the fact "I want to buy a macivory" and have anyone selling one be able to find that out |
| 21:17 |
mircea_popescu |
ago |
| 21:17 |
mircea_popescu |
heya |
| 21:17 |
asciilifeform |
^ there he is! |
| 21:17 |
trinque |
asciilifeform: I'll e-mail him, but read chatter from the last few years about not getting replies from the guy |
| 21:17 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu we have blockshitter |
| 21:17 |
trinque |
2k's outside the historic artifact collection budget for now |
| 21:17 |
trinque |
saw somebody snagged one for about 600 |
| 21:17 |
trinque |
maybe five years ago |
| 21:17 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: macivory ? |
| 21:18 |
trinque |
believe it was, yeah |
| 21:18 |
trinque |
somebody sold one on ebay |
| 21:18 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform sorry ? |
| 21:18 |
asciilifeform |
oh and it only works in certain macs, with certain videoboards |
| 21:18 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: see log. new patch |
| 21:18 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: does the thing we spoke of |
| 21:19 |
asciilifeform |
craps out block x on demand |
| 21:19 |
mircea_popescu |
o hey |
| 21:19 |
trinque |
asciilifeform: since the performa in question was five bucks, I wont be too sad if it ends up in the garbage |
| 21:19 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: dks used to supply the mac and video board to go with it, when you bought from him |
| 21:19 |
trinque |
seems the other route is finding an alpha machine |
| 21:19 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: i'm sitting on a stack of those |
| 21:20 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: you can have one for the cost of postage |
| 21:20 |
trinque |
oh? I'd be interested in that. |
| 21:20 |
asciilifeform |
(pgpgram if interested) |
| 21:20 |
trinque |
k |
| 21:20 |
asciilifeform |
would need to dust it off, see if still runs |
| 21:27 |
mircea_popescu |
;;later tell agorecki how's the learning coming along ? |
| 21:27 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 21:29 |
asciilifeform |
$ sha512sum 217040.bin |
| 21:29 |
asciilifeform |
580c13b6492b526d2564398e5f28d17aa4d2e97c3321aa47908bf02da12237425cb0c17e6fdfbab1f347d5c4e1851c96b1e0ee36c088b18ae4ef3ed6e5bd1099 |
| 21:29 |
asciilifeform |
^ example, freshly pulled from mircea_popescu's box |
| 21:29 |
asciilifeform |
oops |
| 21:29 |
asciilifeform |
forgot the |
| 21:29 |
asciilifeform |
./bitcoind dumpblock 217040 217040.bin |
| 21:30 |
asciilifeform |
anyway, pretty obvious how to use. |
| 21:30 |
asciilifeform |
why this was not included from day 1, who can say. |
| 21:31 |
ben_vulpes |
it'd make introspection easy! |
| 21:31 |
* |
asciilifeform waits to learn what cthonian horrors will be uncovered by folks using this item |
| 21:34 |
asciilifeform |
in principle, when we get 'eatblock' it will be possible to pass around a 'naked' blockchain with upper bound of its mass being $blockheight MB |
| 21:35 |
asciilifeform |
(less, with compression) |
| 21:35 |
asciilifeform |
i'm not thrilled with the idea of folks doing this as daily practice |
| 21:35 |
asciilifeform |
because it sorta defeats the whole point of a p2p gizmo |
| 21:36 |
asciilifeform |
but there is a time and place for it |
| 21:38 |
trinque |
asciilifeform: sent |
| 21:38 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: will answer when i wake up |
| 21:39 |
trinque |
k, no rush |
| 21:39 |
trinque |
and I appreciate it |
| 21:39 |
trinque |
if it doesn't work or ya decide you want the box yourself, no worries |
| 21:39 |
asciilifeform |
np |
| 21:40 |
asciilifeform |
i already have some |
| 21:41 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: btw, it is my understanding that most of the opengenera enthusiasts are using the 'snap4' unofficial warez x86-64 port now |
| 21:41 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: i'd suggest trying that one on for size before resorting to archaeological dig |
| 21:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25597 @ 0.00041111 = 10.5232 BTC [+] {2} |
| 21:42 |
trinque |
k |
| 21:43 |
trinque |
maybe that's one I tried a while back in kvm |
| 21:43 |
* |
asciilifeform bbl |
| 21:44 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes well, yes, tomorrow. but can't hurt thinking about. |
| 21:46 |
BingoBoingo |
strator bitcoind built and running up to block 45000 |
| 21:47 |
* |
ben_vulpes sighs |
| 21:47 |
ben_vulpes |
scratches through shitpile for 'jam today' tickets |
| 21:47 |
ben_vulpes |
in other news |
| 21:47 |
ben_vulpes |
libboost-all-dev << what is this horror |
| 21:48 |
ben_vulpes |
how would i see what this thing contains |
| |
~ 18 minutes ~ |
| 22:06 |
mircea_popescu |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=45864.0 << for the sake of lulz |
| 22:06 |
assbot |
100 (25+25+40+10) BTC Bounty: Blkindex.dat Rebuild Function & others ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKkpvG ) |
| 22:08 |
decimation |
"It?s as though Americans are buying into a fast-talking sales pitch without being allowed to read the print, whether it?s large print or small." |
| 22:09 |
mircea_popescu |
!up agorecki |
| 22:09 |
gabriel_laddel |
Lord Vulpes's Academy for Gifted Youngsters? |
| 22:09 |
gabriel_laddel |
Vulpes Academy? |
| 22:09 |
gabriel_laddel |
Hmm |
| 22:09 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: yeah that's the kind of patch I was implying |
| 22:12 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180690 << nice! |
| 22:12 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-06-2015 00:50:35; mats: i'd be happy to share a few bits to encourage folks to get one |
| 22:12 |
ben_vulpes |
gabriel_laddel: 'tain't about the youngsters except insofar as their parents are in the wot |
| 22:12 |
ben_vulpes |
anyways, i'm off to grill chicken and romp dog with other junior members of the clan |
| 22:13 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180705 << no need to be suicidally brave. what it does is, "people's checkpoints". as in, anyone may run a bitcoin with a chain starting with an arbitrary block. |
| 22:13 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-06-2015 00:54:21; asciilifeform: (if suicidally brave) |
| 22:13 |
mircea_popescu |
sort of, everyone's a checkpoint manager. |
| 22:13 |
mircea_popescu |
or, "i don't give a shit about txn prior to X" |
| 22:14 |
ben_vulpes |
(^ more or less kills headers-first abomination) |
| 22:15 |
mircea_popescu |
incredible the amount of innovation simply sprouting forth from the ground once someone says "nobody asked you anything" @ the usual barnacles. |
| 22:16 |
gabriel_laddel |
ben_vulpes: so there will be no making a (slight) profit educating other's youngsters? |
| 22:16 |
gabriel_laddel |
pity |
| 22:16 |
mircea_popescu |
the profit is to be made in flesh. |
| 22:17 |
* |
mircea_popescu contemplates a future where the only tuition is prostitution. |
| 22:17 |
ben_vulpes |
gabriel_laddel: the profit is in amortized costs of education over wot |
| 22:18 |
gabriel_laddel |
I see. |
| 22:18 |
ben_vulpes |
anyways, out for real now. |
| 22:18 |
gabriel_laddel |
I'd sort of imagined the camus as a set of WoT-enabled buildings. |
| 22:18 |
gabriel_laddel |
In maybe Beijing, Tel Aviv, Seoul |
| 22:18 |
mircea_popescu |
gabriel_laddel think about it. why would you want to spend time with an idiot if you're not fucking her. and what else is an idiot if not one in dire need of some education. |
| 22:21 |
gabriel_laddel |
mircea_popescu: there are not many real people in my locale that I get to play with :/ |
| 22:21 |
mircea_popescu |
virtual educations are like virtual machines. |
| 22:21 |
gabriel_laddel |
? |
| 22:21 |
mircea_popescu |
cheap, dispensable solutions you can't rely on. |
| 22:21 |
gabriel_laddel |
also, I would be very much like to have some Chinese & Korean kids educated by WoT members |
| 22:23 |
gabriel_laddel |
My impression of Vulpes Academy was that it would have a physical manifestation. |
| 22:23 |
gabriel_laddel |
Sort of like a club for kids whose parents are on the up and up |
| 22:23 |
gabriel_laddel |
with a library |
| 22:23 |
gabriel_laddel |
and a lab |
| 22:23 |
gabriel_laddel |
and visiting instructors |
| 22:24 |
mircea_popescu |
how about you educate your children pre-puberty, and whoever they feel like educates them post ? |
| 22:24 |
mats |
lol what |
| 22:24 |
mircea_popescu |
there is really no substance to the institution of marriage outside of this. |
| 22:24 |
gabriel_laddel |
hmmm... |
| 22:24 |
mats |
22:21:54 <+gabriel_laddel> also, I would be very much like to have some Chinese & Korean kids educated by WoT members << you adopting asians now? |
| 22:25 |
gabriel_laddel |
mats: someone has to bribe fab operators. |
| 22:25 |
mats |
get back to me in a few years, huh |
| 22:26 |
gabriel_laddel |
mats: lol, I need to be adopted, not the other way around. |
| 22:27 |
gabriel_laddel |
mircea_popescu: It seems to me that the academy should educate kids of ages 15 and older, so you have something to work with. |
| 22:28 |
mircea_popescu |
a) you can't educate "a class". individuals only ; b) you can't educate people you don't, most intimately, know ; c) there's no education outside of the educated's choice. |
| 22:28 |
gabriel_laddel |
"we assume you can read, write and do simple mathematics - now build some rockets and jungle IC on the cheap" |
| 22:28 |
mircea_popescu |
so... let them pick sex partners. that's the only education they either can have or need. |
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| 22:29 |
* |
asciilifeform back |
| 22:29 |
asciilifeform |
anybody build that thing ? |
| 22:29 |
decimation |
I was gonna, but gave up trying to get the pile of dependent patches |
| 22:30 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: you can use my tree from last night |
| 22:30 |
asciilifeform |
it's in the tarball |
| 22:30 |
decimation |
oh I thought that was just the binary |
| 22:30 |
decimation |
I'll start it |
| 22:30 |
asciilifeform |
for testing only |
| 22:30 |
asciilifeform |
naturally |
| 22:31 |
mircea_popescu |
http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/08/how-to-escape-the-age-of-mass-delusion/ << not a bad read actually. |
| 22:31 |
assbot |
How To Escape The Age Of Mass Delusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKkDTM ) |
| 22:31 |
mircea_popescu |
"The fuel, as usual, is the emotional blackmail of people of goodwill, the uses of mass mobilization to exploit that goodwill, then, finally, to render all such goodwill meaningless." |
| 22:31 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally, anybody who wants can now easily serve http://yourthing/blocks/x |
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| 22:31 |
mircea_popescu |
yes. empty "goodwill" is closer to a crime than to a good thing. |
| 22:33 |
cazalla |
http://www.baldursgate.com/ ermagawd 10 day count down to something.. bg3 |
| 22:33 |
assbot |
Baldur's Gate ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKkEHa ) |
| 22:33 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180855 << the non-gay mathematicians et al will have problems with this algo |
| 22:33 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-06-2015 02:28:44; mircea_popescu: so... let them pick sex partners. that's the only education they either can have or need. |
| 22:34 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform most mathematicians hate teaching anyway |
| 22:34 |
gabriel_laddel |
lol |
| 22:34 |
asciilifeform |
somebody's gotta teach the damn stuff |
| 22:34 |
mircea_popescu |
because why ? |
| 22:34 |
asciilifeform |
ditto engineering, programming, etc |
| 22:34 |
gabriel_laddel |
EVERYTHING MUST REVOLVE AROUND SEX ALL THE TIME |
| 22:34 |
mircea_popescu |
if nobody had taught poettering how to write, the loss ? |
| 22:35 |
asciilifeform |
the better schools use a kind of 'riker's island' approach anyway |
| 22:35 |
mircea_popescu |
gabriel_laddel your protest is not unlike protesting everything on earth gotta spin around the sun. |
| 22:35 |
mircea_popescu |
society is built on fucking. |
| 22:35 |
asciilifeform |
'listen maggots, in six weeks come back with a basic unix' |
| 22:35 |
gabriel_laddel |
I'm not protesting, just noting that perhaps not everyone is *quite* as sexually driven as yourself . |
| 22:36 |
mircea_popescu |
why do you think i myself have anything to do with it ? |
| 22:36 |
mircea_popescu |
it is with great sorrow i say the above, no sort of anticipation. |
| 22:37 |
gabriel_laddel |
Hrm. Perhaps I should have said "not everyone sees everything through the lense of sexual attraction constantly" - myself being a prime example. |
| 22:37 |
mircea_popescu |
that'd be a problem of poor sight. |
| 22:38 |
gabriel_laddel |
And the probably also the straight(?) mathematican I had a conversation with last weekend. |
| 22:39 |
mircea_popescu |
"I think the reason there is so little comedy thats funny today is the genre itself has been hijacked by the humorless PC crowd." <<-->> http://trilema.com/2014/parody-is-not-there-for-you-cancerous-fags-to-try-and-hide-your-cancer-behind-it/ |
| 22:39 |
assbot |
"Parody" is not there for you cancerous fags to try and hide your cancer behind it. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1C0c4Ym ) |
| 22:39 |
mircea_popescu |
gabriel_laddel the notion that one can educate outside of a sexual context is not unlike the notion that one can write code without reading any. |
| 22:39 |
mircea_popescu |
you know... for kids! |
| 22:40 |
gabriel_laddel |
What. |
| 22:40 |
mod6 |
<+asciilifeform> anybody build that thing ? << i did try to build your "stator" tarball from lastnight. i provisioned a new deb6 with glibc/gcc-4.5.4, had some issues, never was able to build whole orchestra. I think its perhaps system related. |
| 22:40 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: one can educate in a brutalizing/disciplinarian context |
| 22:40 |
gabriel_laddel |
I've *never* slept with anyone I've learned from. |
| 22:40 |
asciilifeform |
(as in army) |
| 22:40 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform brutality is purely sexual. |
| 22:40 |
asciilifeform |
what was the sexual element in 'come back with operating system in 6 weeks or go flip burgers' ? |
| 22:41 |
mod6 |
I have to pull up from this and work on the SoBA now. Otherwise would have normally given you all kinds of dpastes/asked for help. But instead, I'm just going to look back into this after the start of the month. I hope that's alright. |
| 22:41 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: no hurry |
| 22:41 |
mircea_popescu |
gabriel_laddel's committing this error where he's proposing that since he's not fucking the girl, he's not in love with her ; asciilifeform is committing this error where since there was a building in the vicinity of the learning, the building is now a school. |
| 22:41 |
mircea_popescu |
these are unsubstantial, purely nominalist problems |
| 22:42 |
* |
asciilifeform can sorta see where mircea_popescu is going |
| 22:42 |
mod6 |
Ok, I'll for sure revisit this after the doc is done. I think this one is gonna be lengthy, just wanna make sure I get that done. |
| 22:43 |
gabriel_laddel |
toodles |
| 22:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00041039 = 6.279 BTC [-] |
| 22:44 |
mircea_popescu |
Along these lines, Meerloo offers a prescription: We must learn to treat the demagogue and aspirant dictator in our midst just as we should treat our external enemies in a cold war with the weapon of ridicule. The demagogue himself is almost incapable of humor of any sort, and if we treat him with humor, he will begin to collapse. Humor is, after all, related to a sense of perspective. If we can see how things s |
| 22:44 |
mircea_popescu |
hould be, we can see how askew they can get, and we can recognize distortion when we are confronted with it. << for the record, this is rank nonsense. it only seems to work because americans are the worst of all german stocks - incredibly stolid, unhumorous fellows. |
| 22:45 |
mircea_popescu |
societies exhibiting an incredibly exacerbated "making fun" cancer have been recorded. they still have the same problems with demagogues and peoples' general emotional insanity. humor is no panacea. |
| 22:45 |
mircea_popescu |
that said, it'd be incredible cultural progress for the us if it actually was a little funnier. |
| 22:46 |
mircea_popescu |
the only stable solution is in any case willing submitting to chosen people. and there should be no room for "state" anywhere once that's done. |
| 22:48 |
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asciilifeform just heard, at close range - out of window - a bird devoured by cat. nature's music. |
| 22:52 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform so the bad news is that it looks like node will be off for something like 24 hours. |
| 22:52 |
mircea_popescu |
but hopefully this fixes the nonsense. |
| 22:52 |
asciilifeform |
no spares yet ? |
| 22:52 |
asciilifeform |
and did mircea_popescu ever learn of a cause for the nonsense in question ? |
| 22:52 |
mircea_popescu |
(note that at the current rate, it'd have been a lifetime) |
| 22:52 |
mircea_popescu |
well not yet, no. |
| 22:53 |
asciilifeform |
i'd have tried tunneling 8333 from some very distant place |
| 22:53 |
asciilifeform |
and connecting through that |
| 22:53 |
mircea_popescu |
any improvement ? |
| 22:54 |
asciilifeform |
well, let 213.130.38.26 et al chew on a crypted turdstream |
| 22:54 |
BingoBoingo |
strator built now passed block 123455 |
| 22:54 |
mircea_popescu |
o hey wd bb! |
| 22:54 |
asciilifeform |
stator? |
| 22:55 |
BingoBoingo |
That |
| 22:55 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: where did you build it ? |
| 22:55 |
BingoBoingo |
Built on the Phreetop running linux Mint 17.1 (because lazy) |
| 22:55 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: tried the block dumper patch yet ? |
| 22:55 |
asciilifeform |
applies cleanly to same tree |
| 22:56 |
BingoBoingo |
Not yet. Build... took some time... will try to get further in sync first |
| 22:56 |
asciilifeform |
i sorta want to start doing this thing where we for blocks 0 ... n, sha512sum block_n | gpg ... |
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| 22:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15057 @ 0.00041084 = 6.186 BTC [+] {2} |
| 22:58 |
mircea_popescu |
certainly can go into deedbot. which will go into the blockchain. which... inception |
| 22:58 |
asciilifeform |
ahahahaha |
| 22:58 |
mircea_popescu |
(afaik this would be the first example of a closed loop, which is to say a cyuclicity i nthe graph of modification dependencies |
| 22:58 |
* |
asciilifeform blows stack |
| 22:58 |
mircea_popescu |
or at any rate the first publicly known one.) |
| 22:59 |
mircea_popescu |
imagine the inconvenience of trying to diddle history with this arrangement. |
| 22:59 |
mircea_popescu |
truely needs qc. |
| 23:11 |
BingoBoingo |
;;ticker --market buttstamp |
| 23:11 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 250.16, Best ask: 250.28, Bid-ask spread: 0.12000, Last trade: 250.15, 24 hour volume: 5557.75187228, 24 hour low: 247.04, 24 hour high: 251.24, 24 hour vwap: 249.205171345 |
| 23:21 |
mod6 |
BingoBoingo: did you build the whole thing with the stator.sh script? or did you just build bitcoind? or are you running the static binary provided? |
| 23:22 |
BingoBoingo |
mod6: Built the whole thing. Hung up once because I was using .gz boost archive instead of .bz2 |
| 23:22 |
BingoBoingo |
Once that was fixed everything built |
| 23:22 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: stator built for me |
| 23:22 |
decimation |
on rhel6 |
| 23:23 |
mod6 |
yeah, i hit that small problem too... i had other issues further down the line. thanks, i must just have an environment issue. |
| 23:23 |
mod6 |
i'll have to circle back around to this later. |
| 23:23 |
decimation |
bitched about mktemp "(.text+0x774d): warning: the use of `mktemp' is dangerous, better use `mkstemp'" |
| 23:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00040299 = 12.6539 BTC [-] |
| 23:31 |
BingoBoingo |
daemon is at 136 MB of RAM usage |
| 23:33 |
asciilifeform |
congrats BingoBoingo decimation |
| 23:33 |
BingoBoingo |
Only pheature I miss from 0.7 series is "getpeerinfo" command |
| 23:37 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: shouldn't be hard to re-create it |
| 23:37 |
BingoBoingo |
Yeah, and it isn't an urgent thing |
| 23:38 |
* |
asciilifeform is dumping and hashing all of the blocks he sucked from mircea_popescu's box earlier |
| 23:38 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.00040299 = 8.8053 BTC [-] |
| 23:38 |
asciilifeform |
will sign the result when it has run to the end (likely in the morning) |
| 23:39 |
asciilifeform |
http://dpaste.com/0CXHK64 << script |
| 23:39 |
assbot |
dpaste: 0CXHK64 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ns0Yf8 ) |
| 23:40 |
asciilifeform |
a bit of a hasty job, forgot the 'dest' thing |
| 23:40 |
asciilifeform |
but works |
| 23:41 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: of course, next step: force feed bitcoind with array of blocks |
| 23:42 |
asciilifeform |
!s eatblock |
| 23:42 |
assbot |
0 results for 'eatblock' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=eatblock |
| 23:42 |
asciilifeform |
hm |
| 23:42 |
asciilifeform |
did mention this. |
| 23:42 |
decimation |
was it in the email |
| 23:42 |
asciilifeform |
nah, here |
| 23:42 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180703 |
| 23:42 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-06-2015 00:53:18; asciilifeform: now who has the balls to write 'eatblock' ! |
| 23:42 |
decimation |
heh |
| 23:42 |
asciilifeform |
wtf does #b-a search not behave exactly like grep ? |
| 23:42 |
asciilifeform |
i still can't see any reason |
| 23:43 |
asciilifeform |
the 'words' thing is asinine |
| 23:49 |
mircea_popescu |
poor mod6 lol/ nothing comes easy to the bsd crowd |