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00:04	TheNewDeal	can someone help me decipher this image http://bitcoin.sipa.be/growth-10k.png
00:04	Vexual	lol indeed
00:05	Vexual	how do you want it?
00:05	Vexual	}
00:05	TheNewDeal	how does one calculate a %/day of the network
00:06	Vexual	from a picture?
00:06	TheNewDeal	give me a sample calculation, with some generic variables
00:06	TheNewDeal	like hashrateRightnow/hashrate24hrsago?
00:07	Vexual	tends to 1
00:07	Vexual	the other way is zero
00:08	TheNewDeal	lets say we have a 1 %/day growth rate over a period of 13 days
00:08	Vexual	the graph usually comes later,what u wanna do?
00:08	TheNewDeal	how much has the network grown
00:09	TheNewDeal	1.01^13?
00:11	TheNewDeal	I'm looking at difficulty predictions and want to know what this graph can tell me
00:11	Vexual	why?
00:11	TheNewDeal	bitbet of course
00:12	Vexual	link to bet?
00:12	TheNewDeal	http://bitbet.us/bet/783/bitcoin-incremental-difficulty-to-increase-by-3b-or/
00:12	assbot	BitBet - Bitcoin incremental difficulty to increase by 3B or more :: 0.49 B (39%) on Yes, 0.77 B (61%) on No | closing in 3 months 6 days | weight: 56`015 (100`000 to 6`000)
00:12	TheNewDeal	http://bitbet.us/bet/713/btc-network-hashrate-will-exceed-1-exahash-s-before/
00:12	assbot	BitBet - BTC network hashrate will exceed 1 Exahash/s before 2015 :: 2.28 B (35%) on Yes, 4.29 B (65%) on No | closing in 5 months 4 weeks | weight: 57`534 (100`000 to 5`000)
00:12	TheNewDeal	http://bitbet.us/bet/677/bitcoin-network-difficulty-14bn-on-bastille-day/
00:12	assbot	BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day :: 112.59 B (85%) on Yes, 19.55 B (15%) on No | closing in 1 week 19 hours | weight: 4`539 (100`000 to 1)
00:12	TheNewDeal	there's too many
00:13	TheNewDeal	let's pick the closest to resolution, the last one
00:13	Vexual	one off the top ok
00:14	TheNewDeal	mmkay
00:14	Vexual	continue
00:15	TheNewDeal	if the network hovers at let's say, 1.1 %/day growth, what will be the hash rate on October 1st
00:17	Vexual	syntax error
00:17	Vexual	repeat the question
00:18	TheNewDeal	if the network growth rate is 1.1%, how long will it take to find 2016 blocks?
00:18	TheNewDeal	1.1%/day
00:18	Vexual	thats wronger
00:20	TheNewDeal	if the hashrate over the last 512 blocks averages 87,961,249 GH/s, what will be the hashrate tomorrow, assuming the growth rate was equal to that of the last 14-day period
00:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19750 @ 0.00086126 = 17.0099 BTC [-] {2}
00:21	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLhN__oEHaw
00:21	assbot	Iggy Pop - The Passenger - YouTube
00:22	TheNewDeal	are you a bot?
00:25	TheNewDeal	;;gettrust assbot Vexual
00:25	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never
00:29	BingoBoingo	!up Vexual
00:29	Vexual	ty
00:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00086116 = 9.5589 BTC [-] {2}
00:35	TheNewDeal	!down Vexual
00:35	TheNewDeal	!up Vexual
00:36	TheNewDeal	BingoBoingo, can you explain a hashrate graph?
00:38	BingoBoingo	Not well
00:39	TheNewDeal	better than vexual?
00:41	Vexual	i told u wait and see cock knocker
00:43	BingoBoingo	WHo knows?
00:45	Vexual	they eyes have it
00:46	TheNewDeal	wait and see what?
00:46	Vexual	bet or don't
00:46	TheNewDeal	I have already bet
00:46	TheNewDeal	I would like to have an educated bet, backed with some numbers, instead of going with a gut feeling
00:48	BingoBoingo	Well, the bastile day bet is looking increasingly like diff will make it, but I bet no a while a go
00:48	TheNewDeal	i've got about 5.5 riding on yes
00:49	TheNewDeal	i'm wondering why someone laid down 6 on No, betting about a day apart. They lost 13% of the timeweight they would have had if they would have wagered it all at once
00:50	Vexual	prolly a human
00:52	TheNewDeal	I'm wondering what made them conclude "I should bet on No", other than the fact that the payout was 2:1
00:53	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UjsXo9l6I8
00:53	assbot	"Empire State of Mind" JAY Z | Alicia Keys [OFFICIAL VIDEO] - YouTube
00:54	TheNewDeal	I'm trying to figure out what type of growth rates are required for 12 and 13 day difficulty changes. I can't do it
00:54	Vexual	work out what betting on yes pays
00:55	Vexual	or survey me
00:55	TheNewDeal	;;calc (1.5999*41+4*33)/2396
00:55	gribble	0.0824690734558
00:55	BingoBoingo	Well, payout was much better when I put one down on No
00:56	TheNewDeal	;;calc (1.5999*41+4*33)/2396*19.55
00:56	gribble	1.61227038606
00:56	TheNewDeal	that's my take, minus the fees
00:57	TheNewDeal	when I was betting, it was about a 12% (constant) difficulty increase that would make it happen
00:58	TheNewDeal	but the last difficulty change was going to be questionable
01:00	Vexual	howmany bitbets have paid yes?
01:00	TheNewDeal	I also dropped 3.5 on http://bitbet.us/bet/727/block-315k-mined-on-or-before-july-28th/
01:00	assbot	BitBet - Block 315k mined on or before July 28th :: 0.44 B (5%) on Yes, 8.39 B (95%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 25`709 (100`000 to 5`000)
01:00	penguirker	New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/kncminer-tapeout-titan-complete/
01:03	TheNewDeal	not concerned about script, only betting BTC
01:03	TheNewDeal	:D
01:03	TheNewDeal	-i +y
01:03	TheNewDeal	the network would have to pump out blocks like 15% faster over the next 10,000 for that block 315k to be yes
01:03	Vexual	one million corea!
01:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21617 @ 0.00086233 = 18.641 BTC [+] {2}
01:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00086284 = 8.3695 BTC [+]
01:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 19 @ 0.0240001 = 0.456 BTC [-] {2}
01:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.00379 = 0.1137 BTC [-]
01:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00086096 = 5.424 BTC [-] {2}
01:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.0008607 = 2.0657 BTC [-]
		~ 23 minutes ~
02:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00086043 = 20.7364 BTC [-] {3}
02:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.072 = 0.576 BTC [-]
02:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0711 = 0.1422 BTC [-] {2}
		~ 43 minutes ~
03:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0028802 = 0.288 BTC [-]
03:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0240001 = 0.24 BTC [-]
03:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.024 = 0.216 BTC [-] {2}
03:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [MS] 233 @ 0.00052801 = 0.123 BTC [-] {2}
03:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 97 @ 0.0028003 = 0.2716 BTC [-]
03:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0237 = 0.1896 BTC [-] {2}
03:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 36 @ 0.02991105 = 1.0768 BTC [+] {3}
03:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.02333336 = 0.14 BTC [-] {2}
03:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.02991094 = 0.2692 BTC [-] {2}
		~ 15 minutes ~
03:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0211888 = 0.1059 BTC [-] {2}
03:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07299997 = 0.511 BTC [+]
03:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.27770001 = 0.8331 BTC [-] {2}
03:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07299977 = 0.511 BTC [-]
03:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.27157522 = 2.4442 BTC [-] {5}
03:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 170 @ 0.00272565 = 0.4634 BTC [-] {5}
03:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 194 @ 0.00271382 = 0.5265 BTC [-] {3}
		~ 44 minutes ~
04:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16413 @ 0.00086118 = 14.1345 BTC [+]
04:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.26500006 = 0.795 BTC [-] {2}
04:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.263213 = 0.5264 BTC [-]
04:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2612 = 0.5224 BTC [-]
04:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2612002 BTC [+]
04:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 96 @ 0.00271 = 0.2602 BTC [-] {3}
04:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2612 BTC [-]
05:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2612 BTC [-]
05:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67150 @ 0.0008602 = 57.7624 BTC [-] {5}
05:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00085919 = 2.4057 BTC [-] {2}
05:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2569 @ 0.00085873 = 2.2061 BTC [-]
05:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07299997 = 0.146 BTC [+]
05:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.02991111 = 0.5982 BTC [+]
		~ 16 minutes ~
05:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.29890235 = 1.1956 BTC [+] {2}
05:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2996998 = 0.5994 BTC [+]
05:53	FabianB	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#702546 <-- everybody stop talking :)
05:53	assbot	#bitcoin-assets log
05:53	punkman	http://www.salon.com/2014/06/03/the_day_i_left_my_son_in_the_car/ << if you you let your kids grow up in murica, you are endangering them and I'm gonna report you to the international court of bad parenting
05:53	assbot	The day I left my son in the car - Salon.com
05:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2996998 BTC [+]
05:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2996998 BTC [+]
05:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07100021 = 1.42 BTC [-] {2}
06:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3 = 0.6 BTC [+]
06:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.3 = 1.2 BTC [+]
06:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.304 BTC [+]
06:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07299968 = 1.533 BTC [+] {2}
06:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07306328 = 0.4384 BTC [+] {3}
06:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14882 @ 0.00086138 = 12.8191 BTC [+] {2}
06:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07318999 = 0.3659 BTC [+]
06:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.30131999 = 1.5066 BTC [-] {3}
06:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.29607554 = 0.8882 BTC [-] {2}
06:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.28015005 = 0.5603 BTC [-] {2}
06:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00086211 = 15.2162 BTC [+] {2}
06:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.28010005 = 1.1204 BTC [-] {2}
06:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2801001 = 0.5602 BTC [+]
06:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10228 @ 0.00086055 = 8.8017 BTC [-]
06:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0243942 = 0.122 BTC [-]
06:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0213693 = 0.1068 BTC [+]
06:34	pankkake	http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/4/5780644/harvard-book-is-bound-in-human-skin-tests-confirm
06:34	assbot	Harvard confirms century-old book is covered in human skin | The Verge
06:42	pankkake	!up mdev
06:42	pankkake	!up mdev
06:42	mdev	<3 thanks man
06:42	kakobrekla	did you register for the world of tanks mdev'
06:44	mdev	haven't yet no
06:45	kakobrekla	the best time to do it is today
06:45	punkman	*yesterday
06:45	kakobrekla	yeah but we are out of time machines
06:46	punkman	I have a spare one, only 2 BTC and free shipping
06:47	kakobrekla	thats a steal
06:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.03 = 0.12 BTC [+]
07:02	mdev	be on the lookout for that promo site scammer
07:02	mdev	doubt he'd be able to do much in here, but he's been quite active in other cryptocoin chans i'm in
07:02	mdev	he may try and make nice nice to get voice then drop his link
07:03	fluffypony	promo site scammer?
07:04	mdev	he links to some article "Making money by bitcoin arbitrage"
07:04	mdev	that wants you to send his site coins or something to try and get over on exchanges
07:06	kakobrekla	yeah well this chan is prolly the last one that would need a warning :)
07:06	fluffypony	lol
07:08	mdev	:) yeah I don't know, spammers can be pretty crafty he's been banned from #bitcoin quite a bit, and keeps showing back up
07:08	mdev	you guys have this channel pretty locked down though
		~ 19 minutes ~
07:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00086279 = 7.722 BTC [+]
07:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2801 BTC [-]
07:37	kakobrekla	!up mdev
07:37	kakobrekla	so anyway what kind of dev are you
07:37	kakobrekla	dammit assbot
07:38	fluffypony	hah
07:38	fluffypony	kakobrekla thwarted by his own bot
07:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22650 @ 0.00085887 = 19.4534 BTC [-] {4}
07:38	kakobrekla	!down fluffypony
07:39	kakobrekla	:p
07:39	kakobrekla	!up mdev
07:39	fluffypony	lol
07:39	fluffypony	http://i.imgur.com/DigkZGS.gif
07:39	fluffypony	that's awesome
07:39	mdev	thanks, i'm a freelance dev, plan on working on my own company stuff eventually, I do mostly web projects these days
07:40	mdev	lot of mobile projects out there too
07:41	mdev	anyway gotta get ready, is my SO's birthday today, if i'm not allowed to idle in here I won't be upset if you end up kicking
07:41	mdev	i'll look into registering later so won't be a burden on you guys anyway with the upping stuff
07:41	fluffypony	you're allowed to idle here
07:42	mdev	great :)
07:42	fluffypony	to be voiced you typically have to be in the WoT and in assbot's L1 or L2 trust, or be voiced by someone else temporarily
07:43	pankkake	so the first step is to register with gribble http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wot_and_reputation
07:43	assbot	wot_and_reputation [bitcoin assets wiki]
07:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 593 @ 0.0001857 = 0.1101 BTC [+] {3}
07:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1055 @ 0.00019988 = 0.2109 BTC [+] {4}
07:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [+]
08:02	pankkake	https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/612530753/gitchain?ref=discovery this makes no sense whatsoever
08:02	assbot	Gitchain by Yurii Rashkovskii — Kickstarter
08:03	fluffypony	we already ragged on him a while back
08:03	pankkake	oh… I guess I need to RTFL
08:04	pankkake	!uup Diablo-D3
08:04	pankkake	!up Diablo-D3
08:04	pankkake	;;gettrust assbot Diablo-D3
08:04	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Diablo-D3: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Diablo-D3 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Diablo-D3 | Rated since: Mon Apr 25 13:54:20 2011
08:04	Diablo-D3	git is already distributed and cant go down
08:05	Diablo-D3	I dont get what hes trying to solve
08:07	pankkake	the only thing could be private repositories, though there already are client-side encryption projects
08:08	pankkake	but I fail to see a compelling reason to use it even then
08:08	Diablo-D3	I mean, git even lets me email patches
08:08	Diablo-D3	like, right from git or something like that
08:08	Diablo-D3	Ive never had to do that because GASP I CAN HOST MY OWN REPO
08:09	pankkake	too many people confusing git and github :(
08:11	xmj	github clone origin master
08:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.0213697 = 0.2351 BTC [+]
08:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.02129973 = 0.1704 BTC [-] {3}
08:18	pankkake	http://joeyh.name/blog/entry/idea:_git_push_requests/ now this is a good idea
08:18	assbot	idea: git push requests
08:18	pankkake	!up darlidada
08:18	pankkake	!up mdev
08:19	fluffypony	pankkake: but come now, EVERYTHING must be rewritten to use blockchain technology
08:19	fluffypony	just wait till I have my Kickstarter for BitIRC
08:19	fluffypony	IRC meets blockchain technology
08:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.03 = 0.21 BTC [+]
08:20	pankkake	what's more unfortunate, is that things where it is actually useful, like domain names and certificates… no one cares
08:21	fluffypony	yep
08:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0212955 = 0.1491 BTC [-] {3}
08:31	ThickAsThieves	http://bitcoinmagazine.com/13775/1-problem-bitcoin-will-solve-2015/
08:31	assbot	The #1 Problem Bitcoin Will Solve by 2015 – Bitcoin Magazine
08:31	ThickAsThieves	~ Ver
08:31	ThickAsThieves	“By the end of 2015 I hope that Bitcoin will enable people to be able to transact with other individuals across the planet, without requiring permission from a bank or government.”
08:32	ThickAsThieves	enable people to be able
08:32	ThickAsThieves	good stuff
08:32	mircea_popescu	yaok.
08:32	ThickAsThieves	Jon Matonis – “The number one problem that I hope Bitcoin will solve by the end of 2015 is the ability to provide a realistic and viable alternative to central bank issued currencies.”
08:32	mircea_popescu	about the missing mpex reports : s.nsa will be published today. s.mpex will be published next month.
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08:33	mircea_popescu	<pankkake> what's more unfortunate, is that things where it is actually useful, like domain names and certificates no one cares << this IS sad.
08:33	mircea_popescu	i was kinda having high hopes for namecoin. then it died. then i was having high hopes again. then it seems it died #2 ?
08:35	pankkake	there are things slowly happening. opennic now serves .bit, there are a few services…
08:36	mircea_popescu	hm. maybe it's time to stfu and actually support it a little.
08:37	mircea_popescu	pankkake can you be bothered to be my nmc broker or have you had it with brokering ?
08:38	pankkake	I can, I have a namecoin node already
08:38	pankkake	though it's on my datacenter server, so for large amounts I'll have to change
08:38	mircea_popescu	what's it trade at these days ? (and where even ?)
08:38	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic, you cover nmc ?
08:38	pankkake	yes
08:39	pankkake	I actually bought my last NMC there, with my ATC sales
08:39	mircea_popescu	a sweet.
08:39	mircea_popescu	ima add it to fmpif then. ping BingoBoingo
08:40	pankkake	using namecoind is horrible. though I haven't tried the Qt one
08:40	mircea_popescu	why;s it horrible ?
08:40	pankkake	it's missing many useful commands, and is slow
08:40	mircea_popescu	yeah well.
08:40	pankkake	makes it hard to track what's happening
08:41	mircea_popescu	remind me, what are the chain characteristics ? sha256 ? how many per block, how frequent blocks ?
08:42	pankkake	ThickAsThieves: as well as updated windows binaries, Altcoin could certainly use coin control features. there's the possibility of using 0.9 (perhaps disable payment protocol as a statement), or merge the bitcoin-omg 0.8 patches (probably less work)
08:42	pankkake	sha256, and everything the same as Bitcoin
08:42	pankkake	merge-mined
08:43	pankkake	http://explorer.namecoin.info/
08:43	assbot	Namecoin block explorer
08:43	mircea_popescu	aha
08:44	mircea_popescu	i subscribe to the coin control features, but definitely minus the payment protocol bullshit.
08:44	mircea_popescu	and patches should be merged one by one if at all.
08:44	pankkake	http://explorer.namecoin.info/n/42828 some fun stuff!
08:44	assbot	Namecoin block explorer
08:44	mircea_popescu	pankkake, and how do the costs to reg a domain work at all ? is it a fixed fee ?
08:44	pankkake	0.9 changed many file locations, the build system, etc. so it's pretty much all or nothing
08:45	pankkake	I think it's 0.01 NMC, then the updates are usually free
08:45	mircea_popescu	pankkake, then its nothing.
08:45	mircea_popescu	anyway, what happens to the 1 ncent ? lost for all time ?
08:46	dub	paid to miners would be sensible neh?
08:46	pankkake	I think they are, it created some controversy
08:46	pankkake	I mean they are destroyed
08:46	pankkake	https://github.com/vinced/namecoin/blob/master/DESIGN-namecoin.md
08:46	assbot	namecoin/DESIGN-namecoin.md at master vinced/namecoin GitHub
08:46	mircea_popescu	;;later tell TheNewDeal if the network hovers at let's say, 1.1 %/day growth, what will be the hash rate on October 1st << what's wrong with 1.0011^x like sane people ?
08:46	gribble	The operation succeeded.
08:47	mircea_popescu	pankkake, splendid seriously. send the devs my compliments.
08:47	dub	there are devs?
08:47	mircea_popescu	pretty much the only demurage scheme that makes any sense.
08:47	mircea_popescu	dub, yeah i been sitting here trying to remember who was doing it
08:47	mircea_popescu	who's doing it ?
08:48	dub	nobody was last I looked
08:48	pankkake	I don't think the fee system is considered fixed for now. it is extremely cheap to register something right now
08:48	mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal: are you a bot? <<< ahahaha epic. was waiting for it :D
08:49	pankkake	https://github.com/namecoinq/namecoinq https://github.com/namecoin-qt/namecoin-qt had some activity
08:49	assbot	namecoinq/namecoinq GitHub
08:49	assbot	namecoin-qt/namecoin-qt GitHub
08:50	dub	putting your name to this thing is potentially worse than any other coin imo
08:50	mircea_popescu	mdev: he may try and make nice nice to get voice then drop his link << so what if he does lol. bitcoin is backed by lulz.
08:50	mircea_popescu	dub why ?
08:51	dub	which might explain a dev-dearth
08:51	dub	it solves some big problems but creates others
08:51	pankkake	because the media will make it as childporncoin or something?
08:52	mircea_popescu	dub can you be like you know, explicit ?
08:52	mircea_popescu	fucking mpex solves some big problems and creates others.
08:52	mircea_popescu	sex solves some big problems and creates othersw.
08:52	dub	yes, and as soon an grandma can get to .bit and finds mr hands at wallmart.bit everyone involved is going to court then gitmo
08:53	dub	the market wants to buy control
08:53	mircea_popescu	yeah, that is so very much my concern, that it'll rape the us
08:53	mircea_popescu	i live to make sure the us won't be disrupted dontchaknow.
08:53	jurov	302 goatse.bit
08:54	dub	not everyone is a what was it? cryptojihadist?
08:54	mircea_popescu	yes, but i am.
08:54	mircea_popescu	and once i am, it's cool to be, and once it's cool to be everyone has no further options in the matter.
08:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.29 = 2.03 BTC [+]
08:55	mircea_popescu	because everyone is not a cool jihadist or what was it.
08:55	dub	hey I'm all for it but good luck
08:55	pankkake	hey, not everyone can resist the 72 virgins
08:55	mircea_popescu	same to yogramma :D
08:56	mircea_popescu	;;google mr hands
08:56	gribble	Enumclaw horse sex case - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enumclaw_horse_sex_case>; Mr. Hands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Hands>; Mr. Hands (album) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Hands_(album)>
08:56	dub	tl;dr dude gets fucked by horse on cam and dies
08:57	Mats_cd03	i bet he got off first
08:57	dub	(you've been on the internet right?)
08:58	mircea_popescu	dub, i actually had missed that one. apparently my internet use a decade ago was not sufficiently close to matters of interes tfor the gay community.
08:59	dub	the point is you can't really decouple branding from ownership
09:00	mircea_popescu	the other point being that customers can have any car color they want as long as it's black.
09:00	dub	DNS needs oversight
09:00	mircea_popescu	not in that sense.
09:01	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5989 @ 0.0008624 = 5.1649 BTC [+]
09:01	mircea_popescu	the fact that organised scammers can currently steal domain names is the most important vector of attack reducing the credibility of the dns system
09:01	mircea_popescu	if that's done away with, dns may even survive as a going concern
09:01	dub	they can't steal them though
09:01	dub	they can hijack at best
09:01	mircea_popescu	you don't take my meaning.
09:02	mircea_popescu	http://lawvibe.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/20110714-e1310673680403.jpg
09:02	dub	I think the most concerning vector of attack is the fucking NSA
09:02	mircea_popescu	against the dns ? nah. the fbi.
09:02	dub	and, equally, corporate america
09:03	mircea_popescu	arrest warrant in rem, seriously ? gtfo.
09:03	mircea_popescu	if i ever turn to a life of crime and merry robbery, i'ma leave the victims arrest warrants in rem too
09:03	mircea_popescu	"hey sir, your watch is under arrest"
09:06	mircea_popescu	"As there was no law against humanely fucking one horse, the prosecutors could only charge Tait with trespassing."
09:06	mircea_popescu	ok that's pretty good.
09:06	mircea_popescu	"The police tracked down the rural Enumclaw-area farm, which was known in zoophile Internet chat rooms as a destination for people who want to have sex with livestock, and seized hundreds of hours of videotapes of men engaging in receptive anal sex with horses. One of the videotapes featured Kenneth Pinyan shortly before he died July 2"
09:06	mircea_popescu	dude srsly ? they actually can do that ?
09:07	dub	sieze your gay horse porn? why not
09:08	xmj	'receptive anal sex'
09:08	mircea_popescu	no no
09:08	mircea_popescu	dudes can actually take a horse ?!
09:08	los_pantalones	the sphincter is a muscle, it can be trained
09:08	dub	the horse is like 'meh, any port in a storm'
09:08	TomServo	lol
09:08	pankkake	yes, see goatse
09:09	dub	mircea_popescu: some apparently cannot
09:09	mircea_popescu	there go asciilifeform's hopes of impalement as a punishment
09:09	TomServo	evidently they can, may include perforated colon, but hey
09:09	pankkake	!up Diablo-D3
09:09	mircea_popescu	dub, good point
09:09	Diablo-D3	is kenneth pinyan mr hands?
09:09	mircea_popescu	TomServo, its dawning of me that for it to be a perforated colon rather than a torn anus it'd have had to be... in
09:09	dub	Diablo-D3: think so, thats the voyage of discovery mp is on
09:09	Diablo-D3	ahh
09:09	TomServo	never a pleasant realization
09:10	mircea_popescu	dub has ruined my innocence.
09:10	Diablo-D3	yeah, thats, uh, just, uh, lame tbh
09:10	Diablo-D3	there are much safer alternatives than horse dick
09:10	dub	I know another kenneth who could use getting fucked to death by a horse
09:10	Diablo-D3	like those hilariously large faux horse dildos
09:10	mircea_popescu	maybe take him down to the farm ?
09:10	kakobrekla	wtf my nsa shirt has holes innit. brand new holes.
09:10	mircea_popescu	did you sleep woith a horse ?
09:11	kakobrekla	not yet
09:11	dub	one each for your arms and the hairy part in the middle
09:11	mircea_popescu	then stop going to sleep with your cigar lit ?
09:11	TomServo	I thought NSA shirts shipped with cardano?! what is this scam?!
09:11	mircea_popescu	TomServo, shhh
09:11	kakobrekla	its a fresh one.
09:11	mircea_popescu	we're making it difficult for the real nsa to get one.
09:15	mircea_popescu	fluffypony: IRC meets blockchain technology << actually if you want to do something useful, provision a server (ie, the actual hardware), donate its use to the freenode people (they have a special page)
09:15	mircea_popescu	that way, if anything happens (such as freenode going down, or becoming assholes or w/e) we'll have a set of irc servers ready to go and create our own irc network.
09:16	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: was just trolling :)
09:16	mircea_popescu	ya but it's strategically relevant to our interests.
09:16	dub	usually the bar for linking a server is set kinda high
09:17	mircea_popescu	the ircd is solid, and the irc network is going to be how we communicate.
09:17	mircea_popescu	dub, seeing how there's dozens of them...
09:17	thestringpuller	/lastlog thestringpuller 5
09:17	thestringpuller	wow
09:17	dub	you might be able to donate hardware but they wont give you control of it without a lot of trust
09:18	mircea_popescu	not a matter of control of it.
09:19	ThickAsThieves	anyone have a cryptsy referral code?
09:19	mircea_popescu	sorry.
09:19	mircea_popescu	(is this one of the new exchanges ?)
09:19	ThickAsThieves	it's the all-encompassing crypto-only exchange
09:19	mircea_popescu	aok
09:20	pankkake	ThickAsThieves: https://www.cryptsy.com/users/register?refid=3099
09:20	assbot	Cryptsy - Register New Account
09:20	pankkake	it's where altcoins go to die. and it's old
09:20	pankkake	"To increase your trading ability, please verify your account!" lol
09:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00085858 = 16.313 BTC [-]
09:20	ThickAsThieves	i already made the account, it says 3099 is an invalid code
09:20	dub	bittrex looks ok, seems to be real people
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09:21	ThickAsThieves	oh
09:21	ThickAsThieves	i need your trade key
09:21	dub	no ATC though
09:21	pankkake	88ee24aa384fa7680c54db5d3a17ded28aed34e0
09:21	pankkake	I thought it was some sort of secret key
09:21	pankkake	apparently it isn't
09:21	ThickAsThieves	done
09:21	pankkake	thanks
09:22	ThickAsThieves	np
09:27	los_pantalones	had a buddy at cryptsy that kept getting negative btc balances
09:27	los_pantalones	he met up w/ the guys who run it
09:27	los_pantalones	they wouldn't admit it was a bug
09:27	los_pantalones	then i think a few more people started reporting issues
09:27	los_pantalones	no real conclusion, just be wary
09:28	Apocalyptic	that's been known for a long time
09:28	los_pantalones	alrighty
09:29	Apocalyptic	alas noobs don't care
09:29	fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: what you doing with Cryptsy? getting ATC listed?
09:30	mircea_popescu	"the Bitcoin network has reached nearly 100 petahashes of processing power, less than 8 piddling months after hitting 1 petahash."
09:30	mircea_popescu	pete's law of the bitcoin network ? "two degrees of magnitude each 8 months"
09:33	ThickAsThieves	<+fluffypony> ThickAsThieves: what you doing with Cryptsy? getting ATC listed? /// well i'm emailing support for the seconf time about it, but this time to see if they'll add it to a special page they have for letting community vote on what to add next. this mechanism also has a way to pay for votes (i havent done the math)
09:33	fluffypony	yeah to the voting page
09:34	ThickAsThieves	I've also got the trading bug a few weeks ago, so dipping into alts too
09:34	mircea_popescu	how much could it be
09:34	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: well
09:34	fluffypony	Mediterraneancoin has 17886 votes
09:35	fluffypony	at 0.0002 each
09:35	fluffypony	3.5 BTC
09:35	mircea_popescu	o so vote count doesn't actually do anything ?
09:35	mircea_popescu	i thought they have 10 derps voting like whatever meanwhile dead exchange used to
09:35	mircea_popescu	and you give a coupla bitcents to each or w/e
09:35	fluffypony	each registered user gets 1 free vote
09:35	fluffypony	and you can also use your Cryptsy points to vote
09:36	fluffypony	I have some points I can blow on votes
09:36	fluffypony	once it's on there
09:36	mircea_popescu	eh da fuck. who runs this thing again ?
09:36	Apocalyptic	some Big Vern in Flordia
09:36	mircea_popescu	playing stupid social media games with some anon's derpy site, what is this.
09:36	fluffypony	BigVern
09:36	Apocalyptic	*Florida
09:37	pankkake	many altcoin exchanges have the same bizness model
09:38	asciilifeform	apparently we have a kind of bird here which can crash - infinite loop. 2 hrs. now repeatedly flying into window, perching on plank (must be 100g of shit on it now) and repeat. and again.
09:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11570 @ 0.0008597 = 9.9467 BTC [+] {2}
09:39	fluffypony	infinite hit points
09:39	mircea_popescu	ya how do you know it's the same bird
09:39	fluffypony	I believe you've discovered the Lilac Breasted Usagi, asciilifeform
09:39	asciilifeform	filmed it.
09:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 3000 @ 0.0003 = 0.9 BTC [+]
09:39	mircea_popescu	lol
09:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14047 @ 0.00085831 = 12.0567 BTC [-]
09:42	ThickAsThieves	the pope is replenishing hit points "Pontiff says couples who decide not to procreate and opt to get a dog or cat instead face the 'bitterness of loneliness' in old age"
09:42	fluffypony	omf I've got to tell the wife
09:43	fluffypony	at least we have something to look forward to in our old age :-P
09:43	xmj	ThickAsThieves: eeee
09:43	fluffypony	who else is going to Talla at the end of the month?
09:45	mircea_popescu	face the 'bitterness of loneliness' in old age" << this is quite true, he has a point.
09:45	xmj	he does
09:46	xmj	but it does not need the pope to bring up the image of the old, bitter, catlady
09:46	fluffypony	s/Talla/Tallinn
09:46	fluffypony	can't type today
09:47	*	asciilifeform goes out to reset bird
09:47	ThickAsThieves	you heard it here first, Kate-Craig is gonna default on the ciphermine.b1 bond
09:47	ThickAsThieves	not that you should be surprised
09:47	fluffypony	:/
09:47	fluffypony	I haven't spoken to her since December
09:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00085831 = 3.4762 BTC [-]
09:48	fluffypony	heard she got sick
09:48	punkman	pigeon flew into the house the other day, derped around for like 10 minutes, shat on my bed, then flew out before I could strangle it
09:48	pankkake	deprived wasn't 100% in it right?
09:48	Apocalyptic	TAT, kinda wondering why you need cryptsy to accept ATC
09:48	fluffypony	Apocalyptic: volume
09:48	ThickAsThieves	it's not a "need"
09:48	pankkake	punkman: wow, that's some level of pigeon-assholism
09:48	Apocalyptic	fluffypony, that "volume" is essentially trader puming & dumping coins
09:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.024394 = 0.2439 BTC [-]
09:48	ThickAsThieves	but it would help it grow
09:49	fluffypony	sure
09:49	fluffypony	but it's a marketing exercise
09:49	pankkake	it's advertising
09:49	punkman	pankkake: yeah last pigeon had the decency to only shit under the bed
09:49	ThickAsThieves	i understand why you'd want things to stay on x-bt though
09:49	ThickAsThieves	but the alternative would be to advertise x-bt more
09:49	ThickAsThieves	or add more coins to it
09:49	ThickAsThieves	etc
09:50	Apocalyptic	adding more coins will attract the kind of people we really don't want in ATC imo
09:50	mircea_popescu	<ThickAsThieves> you heard it here first, Kate-Craig is gonna default on the ciphermine.b1 bond << such a successful business-ex-man ?!
09:51	*	asciilifeform woke up from the noise, looked in window, saw wild cat tunneling (!) under the house. but then the cat successfully penetrated, and the noise continued - then found bird. on other side of bldg. cat isn't doing his work.
09:51	mircea_popescu	<ThickAsThieves> but the alternative would be to advertise x-bt more << this can't hurt.
09:51	Apocalyptic	it's like saying to MPEX to add more bitcoinbourse securities, cause that's where it's at
09:51	ThickAsThieves	it can't hurt, but it's not my job
09:51	mircea_popescu	why play the stupid games of some derp that's not even in the wot ?
09:51	Apocalyptic	indeed mircea
09:51	mircea_popescu	so bigvern is your job ?!
09:51	kakobrekla	<asciilifeform> filmed it. < urlpls
09:52	ThickAsThieves	well i technically have no job
09:52	pankkake	https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2014-3466
09:52	assbot	CVE -CVE-2014-3466
09:52	asciilifeform	kakobrekla: will upload a few min. of it, have patience.
09:52	pankkake	criticial flaw in gnutls :(
09:52	mircea_popescu	ahahaha o boy.
09:52	asciilifeform	lol!
09:52	Apocalyptic	ThickAsThieves, I heard Blockr is going to implement x-bt as the default exchange for ATC
09:52	Apocalyptic	and Cryptocoinschart is going to add it as well
09:53	Apocalyptic	so i'm working on it
09:53	pankkake	ccc would be nice
09:53	ThickAsThieves	excellent, i'm not trying to act critical or impatient
09:53	pankkake	better would be coinmarketcap
09:54	ThickAsThieves	but the next level of ATC adoption would likely include it being listed on another crop of exchanges regardless
09:54	ThickAsThieves	whether i instigate it or not
09:54	ThickAsThieves	and odds are also high my instigation will be ineffective anyway
09:54	ThickAsThieves	and things will continue to play out as they do without me
09:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00085976 = 8.9845 BTC [+]
09:55	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves, basically you've elected to not be part of bitcoin and so to dull the ache of it will now play an ipad app game about bitcoins ?
09:55	mircea_popescu	why make failure a goal, i wish to know.
09:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.280775 = 1.1231 BTC [-] {3}
09:57	ThickAsThieves	seems to be your goal for my actions, not mine
09:57	ThickAsThieves	i'm just taking 15m out of my day to fancy a whim
09:57	mircea_popescu	well no, i don';t have one. i do have the habit of asking unpleasant questions.
09:58	ThickAsThieves	you're painting it like i voted for hitler
09:58	mircea_popescu	not necessarily always relevant, that's usually harder to optimize for
09:58	mircea_popescu	nah nha
09:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.27123 = 0.5425 BTC [-]
10:00	ThickAsThieves	i'm a bit more squishy than you when it comes to these ideals, like No WoT, No Service
10:00	ThickAsThieves	considering i think the WoT needs improvement and that just because you arent it doesnt make you a peasant or scammer
10:00	asciilifeform	kakobrekla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdB9eNpvG48
10:00	assbot	defective bird - YouTube
10:01	asciilifeform	^ a minute or so of the action
10:01	ThickAsThieves	in it*
10:01	mircea_popescu	well sure
10:01	asciilifeform	bird is still working even now!
10:01	fluffypony	LOL!
10:02	kakobrekla	omfg
10:02	kakobrekla	either glitch in the matrix or chemtrails.
10:02	asciilifeform	finally resolved to kill & cook it, but it's clever, hides.
10:03	mircea_popescu	lmao
10:03	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform, as a s.nsa manager i'll have to ask you to refrain from eating any crazy poultry or fowl,
10:03	mircea_popescu	with regrets
10:03	asciilifeform	i'll leave it for the thick cat.
10:04	asciilifeform	(or for long cat. or any of the other local fauna)
10:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6716 @ 0.00085788 = 5.7615 BTC [-] {2}
10:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.02812013 = 0.4218 BTC [-] {2}
10:04	asciilifeform	(there are at least 7 distinct cats orbiting this place.)
10:04	Apocalyptic	https://imgur.com/gallery/QPi6xYc
10:04	assbot	I feel so sorry for american families - Imgur
10:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.074 = 0.444 BTC [+]
10:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.00256597 = 0.118 BTC [-] {4}
10:07	ThickAsThieves	http://freepdfhosting.com/0d53fc3f43.pdf looks like Ken is getting similar fines to Erik, except from the state of Mo instead
10:07	asciilifeform	i look at the fscking bird and all i can think, 'ortolan'
10:08	diametric	mircea_popescu: speaking of s.nsa, what's your take on erik's settlement with the SEC, and what do you think asciilifeform's risk is of falling into the same situation?
10:09	ThickAsThieves	good Q
10:09	mircea_popescu	diametric, well, i'm not a lawyer, and especially not one admitted before the sec bar
10:09	mircea_popescu	(they have like their own private bar by now)
10:10	mircea_popescu	my take on the erik settlement is in the logs, lemme fish it out
10:11	mike_c	i think if you scoured the entire logs you couldn't find one example of ascii promoting s.nsa shares
10:11	asciilifeform	i do suppose that, if i start being worth something, i will no longer be plagued by little birds, but by fat vultures
10:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11909 @ 0.00085755 = 10.2126 BTC [-]
10:12	diametric	mike_c: wasn't part of erik's fine simply because he had IPO'd without filing the required documentation?
10:13	ThickAsThieves	yes
10:13	mike_c	it seemed to me the only reason he got fined was that his feedzbirdz investors didn't make money.
10:13	asciilifeform	i'm still curious precisely why vorhees wasn't sent to the wagen for satoshidice
10:13	ThickAsThieves	their main problem seems to be that no filing for exemption or registration was made
10:13	mircea_popescu	diametric, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#702570
10:13	assbot	#bitcoin-assets log
10:14	mircea_popescu	you will notice that the mpex offering is attached in the deal in a spurious and mostly doomed attempt to shoehorn some relevancy in the matter.
10:14	mircea_popescu	otherwise the entire discussion covers his glbse offering
10:14	diametric	hah "only" suffered 150k.
10:14	diametric	my tax dollars at work
10:14	mircea_popescu	this is a trend that has being going on for three years and is likely to continue : people who think they know better than me / don't listen to me will have problems.
10:15	mircea_popescu	<diametric> mike_c: wasn't part of erik's fine simply because he had IPO'd without filing the required documentation? << no. he was fined for having advertised a glbse scam.
10:15	kakobrekla	trippy shit ascii, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0c_cUcgOEI
10:15	assbot	From Left to Right (Sleva Napravo) - YouTube
10:16	asciilifeform	kakobrekla: that was from an ancient soviet multi-parter
10:16	mircea_popescu	the rest is tacked on because the sec is in a very unenviable strategic position after our meanwhile piublished discussion, and would like to turn the "either mp's way or the highway" into some sort of "either mp's way or epsilon"
10:16	mike_c	speaking of s.nsa, May report coming soon? (mpoe too)
10:17	mircea_popescu	mike_c, as for nsa, pinguirker is sickj again
10:17	mircea_popescu	somehow it's always sick when i publish!!11
10:17	mike_c	i don't know what pankkake feeds that penguin.
10:17	mircea_popescu	as to mpoe, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2014#705189
10:17	assbot	#bitcoin-assets log
10:18	mike_c	ah, i was 10 hours away from reading that. thx.
10:18	mircea_popescu	lol sorry.
10:18	mircea_popescu	i wish to be a LOGGERJACK!!1\
10:19	mircea_popescu	jumping from log to log in the virgin forests of bitcoin-assetia
10:19	ThickAsThieves	they seem much more open-minded this time "Thank you for contacting Cryptsy. I am happy to assist.
10:19	ThickAsThieves	Thank you for introducing me to this coin.
10:19	ThickAsThieves	I have submitted your coin to our development team who will review it
10:19	ThickAsThieves	to see if it meets our requirements for addition to the Cryptsy exchange.
10:19	ThickAsThieves	If there is anything else I can do for you, please let me know. :-)"
10:19	mircea_popescu	the endless lines, the mighty scotch pine...
10:20	kakobrekla	sounds like gox
10:21	mircea_popescu	maybe they hired the meanwhile unemployed miranda
10:21	mircea_popescu	or whatever was the guy'[s name
10:23	mircea_popescu	diametric, all that stuff aside, asciilifeform, as well as you and everyone else that can form this question or similar questions are well advised to get out of the soviet union.
10:23	mircea_popescu	much like getting into the wot, the best time to have done that is a few years agp
10:23	mircea_popescu	the 2nd best time is today.
10:23	mircea_popescu	do me a personal favour and don't wait for the exit taxes payable in bitcoin.
10:23	*	asciilifeform sits dourly in gravity well
10:24	mircea_popescu	i will further point out that argentine citizenship, unlike romanian citizenship, is a two year affair.
10:25	danielpbarron	09:26:55 <+los_pantalones> had a buddy at cryptsy that kept getting negative BTC balances << happened to me too
10:25	kakobrekla	that is why some ex. have 'reset balance' button
10:26	kakobrekla	fucking idiots.
10:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25750 @ 0.00085738 = 22.0775 BTC [-]
10:28	penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/snsa-may-2014-statement/
10:28	mircea_popescu	o wait it wasn't sick
10:28	mircea_popescu	i just have delayed rss feeds.
10:29	diametric	I've toyed with the idea of moving to Norway a few times.. but I have far too many things anchoring me here.
10:29	kakobrekla	lol
10:29	asciilifeform	doesn't No have the world's currently highest tax...
10:30	mircea_popescu	moving to norway would make no difference anyway.
10:30	asciilifeform	nato muppets, aye
10:31	diametric	at the time I mostly chose it due to the climate which I'd enjoy, as well as having the least amount of religious people.
10:32	asciilifeform	i thought jp holds the record for the latter
10:32	mircea_popescu	what's so bad about religious people tho ?
10:32	chetty	http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/05/us-eu-syria-idUSKBN0EG2IM20140605
10:32	assbot	EU states take aim at radical websites to counter Syria problem| Reuters
10:32	diametric	mircea_popescu: i don't like them.
10:33	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: in usa, various brands of nuttery are pushed by the church
10:34	mike_c	heh, you mean like religion? the church keep pushing that nuttery everywhere.
10:34	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform, that's more a factor of us specific idiocy. there was a fuckwit in the street hre, clearly american, derping about jesus to people. he clearly had a mortgage back home,
10:34	diametric	asciilifeform: well, i think i was more going along the lines of secularism, a lot of the population of JP doesn't identify with any single religion but rather pieces of several
10:34	mircea_popescu	and he clearly believed that a bunch of new world fuctards have truely and really discovered something imp0ortant about jesus.
10:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13380 @ 0.00085675 = 11.4633 BTC [-] {2}
10:34	mike_c	well, joseph smith did get those golden plates or whatever..
10:34	mircea_popescu	that'd be the problem, this "i can do it" atttiude applied to religion. which isn't religion in any sense, unless you count ustardianism as a religion.
10:35	mike_c	i don't see angels stopping by argentina with golden messages from aliens
10:35	mircea_popescu	in other words, religion managed to never bother me anywhere - egypt included - as much as it bothers in the us.
10:35	mircea_popescu	mike_c, ikr? california so much more visible from space.
10:36	mircea_popescu	"Officials from the group will hold meetings with "the leading Internet operators" this month to look into the possibilities for immediately shutting down web sites and barring messages that spread hatred or encourage violent militancy or terrorism, the statement said."
10:37	mircea_popescu	let's make sure our boys can't compete with their boys, and if push comes to shove our entire country is made of girls.
10:37	mircea_popescu	hopefully the islamists come riding horses, and so the entire population of "France and Belgium were broadly supported by the other countries - Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Britain, the Netherlands, Ireland and Spain " can be sexually satisfied.
10:39	davout	mircea_popescu "moving to norway would make no difference anyway." <<< we're back at criteria to choosing a place to move to :D
10:40	asciilifeform	i gotta say, the fuckwits don't bother me (except on the rare occasions they show up to my door, spamming)
10:40	mircea_popescu	davout, meanwhile one has emerged in conversation. you folks coming to live with me in romania'd have had to wait > 10 years plus for citizenship, making it useless. any attempt to get the foreign minister to commit to making ongoing exceptions predictably failed, not for lack of him wanting to help, but for pure wtf... it's a eu country, it'd have ended up on all the newspapers.
10:41	mircea_popescu	argentina, meanwhile, wants you to wait *maybe* two years. that's useful.
10:41	asciilifeform	(u.s. fuckwits, as a general rule, don't have the courage to blow up heretics)
10:42	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i think you will find that quite a few folks here will join you to party in Ar, as soon as we figure out what to eat there.
10:42	mircea_popescu	empanadas are 90 cents per.
10:43	asciilifeform	us poor buggers with day jobs
10:43	mircea_popescu	learn to internets!
10:43	*	asciilifeform blows dust of 'webtv for dummies' (bought on a dare in college)
10:43	mike_c	ooh, i like this lenore skenazy woman
10:44	mircea_popescu	did the angels name her ?
10:44	mike_c	from punkman's link on leaving your child in the car
10:44	mike_c	she made national news for letting her 9 yr old ride the subway alone
10:44	mike_c	"“Let’s put aside for the moment that by far, the most dangerous thing you did to your child that day was put him in a car and drive someplace with him. About 300 children are injured in traffic accidents every day — and about two die. That’s a real risk"
10:44	mircea_popescu	whoa chetty check it out
10:46	kakobrekla	* asciilifeform blows dust of 'webtv for dummies' (bought on a dare in college) < wait whut camwhoreing ?
10:46	mircea_popescu	re that link : i had this nutty discussion with a guy at the mall in timisoara, his 4 yo kid was throwing an absolute tantrum on the ground
10:47	mircea_popescu	me "why don't you beat it ?" him *vacant stare*
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10:47	asciilifeform	kakobrekla: 'webtv' was this '90s gizmo for the terminally sad
10:47	mike_c	idk that beatings help. i think i will just go with ignoring in that situation.
10:47	mike_c	beating = more screaming.
10:48	*	asciilifeform notices: bird is still working.
10:48	mike_c	what do i care if he wants to roll on the ground at the mall and scream? go for it.
10:48	kakobrekla	hm ok although you dont seem terminally sad.
10:48	mircea_popescu	mike_c, beatings help.
10:48	*	asciilifeform thonk. flap, flap. thonk.
10:48	mircea_popescu	ignoring doesn't help.
10:48	danielpbarron	i agree; spare the rod, spoil the child
10:48	mircea_popescu	mike_c, no, you just beat it until it's too scared to scream.
10:48	mike_c	help what? beating is attention, which is what they want.
10:48	danielpbarron	all are born wicked; that needs to be beaten out
10:49	mircea_popescu	no, beagting is painful
10:49	mircea_popescu	which is what they're wired to avoid
10:49	mircea_popescu	at all costs.
10:49	mike_c	true. well, I'll report back in a few years.
10:49	mircea_popescu	<mike_c> what do i care if he wants to roll on the ground at the mall and scream? go for it. << you care because if you didn't you'ds have married a chimp instead of his mother.
10:50	danielpbarron	beating a child is much more human then giving them a chemical lobotomy
10:50	mircea_popescu	did i stumble on a danielpbarron pet peeve ?
10:50	danielpbarron	no, i agree with you
10:50	danielpbarron	unless you are being sarcastic
10:50	mircea_popescu	well i can see that :)
10:50	mike_c	whoop, now i gotta give him percocet instaed of beatings :)
10:51	mircea_popescu	is that what they market codeine as ?
10:51	TomServo	+mircea_popescu | me "why don't you beat it ?" him *vacant stare* << didn't you say no beating unless double-digit in age?
10:51	danielpbarron	exactly; they give kids these pills which does damage to their brain; andd that's supposed to be more humane than a beating of the ass??
10:51	mike_c	oxycodone
10:51	mircea_popescu	TomServo, i said it shouldn't be needed
10:51	mircea_popescu	(actually what i said iirc was that if it's needed you suck a sa parent, which ... well... yeah)
10:52	mike_c	point being if they are single digits you should be able to silence them with your warface.
10:52	danielpbarron	doesn't that warface have to come with the memory that i usually is followed by a beating?
10:52	danielpbarron	that it*
10:53	mircea_popescu	ancestral tho.
10:53	mike_c	no. my father never hit me (mom did spanking), but i was more scared of him than her.
10:53	TomServo	^
10:53	mircea_popescu	!up Klirick
10:53	danielpbarron	my dad never hit me and i'm not afraid of him
10:53	mike_c	then his warface sucks.
10:53	danielpbarron	yeah it does
10:53	mircea_popescu	speaking of weird compounds : when i was a kid you could buy coideine phosphate otc. and people did.
10:53	ThickAsThieves	my dad did this neck pinching and hand-squeezing thing
10:53	mircea_popescu	and kids got it for coughs
10:53	ThickAsThieves	it was plenty
10:53	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: likewise in ussr
10:54	TomServo	my mom rocked a wooden spoon pretty well
10:54	danielpbarron	10:46:55 <+mircea_popescu> me "why don't you beat it ?" him *vacant stare*
10:54	danielpbarron	ack
10:54	danielpbarron	you could buy coideine phosphate otc. << sippin' on sizurp
10:54	ThickAsThieves	ever have someone cup their hand over yours and press inward on your fingernails while the hand is closed?
10:54	mike_c	TomServo: did she make you get it for her? :)
10:54	ThickAsThieves	it's a little known trick
10:54	mircea_popescu	mike_c, btw, the "mom did spanking" part is extremely important for the WOMAN's mental health.
10:54	danielpbarron	they replaced the codeine with DXM
10:54	mircea_popescu	wish you to hear an ancient story ?
10:54	mike_c	stories are fun
10:55	asciilifeform	aye
10:55	mircea_popescu	ok so, you've probably heard of gehenna, but you probably don't know what it actually was.
10:55	danielpbarron	DXM is very trippy and is alleged to cause lesions
10:55	danielpbarron	of the brain
10:55	mircea_popescu	turns out, among the many things the ancient babylonians invented, such as the seals, and commerce,
10:55	mircea_popescu	was risk management.
10:55	mircea_popescu	a key part of this risk management was the following weird as shit aspect :
10:56	mircea_popescu	kids die, in 4000bc. unavoidably so, for a multitude or reasons.
10:56	Mats_cd03	i guess my brain has lesions
10:56	danielpbarron	mine too
10:56	mircea_popescu	parents loathe this. and more so in 4000bc than today, for today it's only imagined, whereas then it was a fact.
10:56	mircea_popescu	so the babylonians started KILLING their children.
10:56	mircea_popescu	because if you can't prevent it, the only other way to gain some control over it is to do it yourself.
10:56	mircea_popescu	the mothers had serious problems with this. the fathers did to. and yet... cold equations of power.
10:57	Mats_cd03	dumb
10:57	mircea_popescu	the fathers BOUGHT poor kids to kill instead of their own kids.
10:57	mircea_popescu	which their raised and dressed the same.
10:57	los_pantalones	what was the goal of it? illusion of control ?
10:57	danielpbarron	The Bible says, a rebellious son should be brought to the town elders and stoned to death by the community
10:57	mircea_popescu	the mothers just wept.
10:57	mircea_popescu	the religion moved to forbid women weeping,
10:57	mike_c	craziness. good to know people have always been as dumb as they are today.
10:57	mircea_popescu	\and to improve the ocntrol of this, they found a place, a natural canyon,
10:57	mircea_popescu	where they did all the killing.
10:57	asciilifeform	thought gehenna was the babypit outside old jerusalem
10:57	mircea_popescu	to prevent pestilence, they started lkeeping fires going all the time
10:58	mircea_popescu	and the place's name was... gehenna.
10:58	mircea_popescu	to cover the screams of the eviscerate dbabes and their badly hurt mothers,
10:58	mircea_popescu	they started beating drums
10:58	mircea_popescu	and out of this effort to cover screams of children and take their mother's mind off it
10:58	mircea_popescu	music was born.
10:59	mircea_popescu	and from the stupidity of the illusion of control, as los_pantalones aptly put it, the control theatre
10:59	mircea_popescu	a new religion was born.
10:59	mircea_popescu	a woman had a positive incentive to mary a christian (this is much pre jesus, btw)
10:59	asciilifeform	i thought even the archaeologically-challenged are at least familiar with the babypit of sparta, say
10:59	mircea_popescu	because that man made a firm promise prenup to never kill her children in this manner.
10:59	mircea_popescu	and so the new religion spread.
10:59	mircea_popescu	~ fin ~
11:00	danielpbarron	a true christian would advocate the stoning to death of a rebellious son, even to this day
11:00	chetty	hmm I think most of todays xtians are new testament not old
11:00	mircea_popescu	but for that matter, the catholic contemporary instistence on "raising the children in the church" and promising to do so
11:01	mircea_popescu	talks back to quite ancient tradition. 6 millenia or more.
11:01	danielpbarron	chetty, it's all one; the whole Bible is essential
11:01	Mats_cd03	lol
11:01	mike_c	a true father would advocate the stoning to death of a christian son.
11:01	TomServo	danielpbarron: I dunno, doing DXM and causing brain lesions sounds pretty rebellious. Would you have made it? :P
11:01	danielpbarron	TomServo, no; i should have been stoned to death
11:02	danielpbarron	stoning someone to death is against the law in the US, and the Bible says to submit to the governing authorities
11:02	asciilifeform	re: drowning idiot sons:
11:02	Mats_cd03	religion is an infection
11:02	asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014&bots=true#509005
11:02	assbot	#bitcoin-assets log
11:02	Mats_cd03	the weak succumb
11:03	diametric	danielpbarron: so then you agree since the law in the US allows gays to marriage, you must submit?
11:03	danielpbarron	submit to what?
11:04	danielpbarron	that's per state, btw
11:04	diametric	acknowledging the legitimacy of their marriage.
11:04	diametric	Well, a state if a governing authority is it not?
11:04	diametric	is*
11:04	mircea_popescu	so if in your state it's legal, and a gay dude buys you from your parents
11:04	diametric	^
11:04	mircea_popescu	do you acknowledge you now have to obey him and so on ?
11:04	mircea_popescu	put out, do the dishes, w/e
11:04	diametric	i don't think he has a choice
11:04	asciilifeform	lol
11:04	danielpbarron	idk if it's legal to sell children
11:04	danielpbarron	the state has a monopoly on adoption
11:04	diametric	danielpbarron: the bible says it should be
11:05	mircea_popescu	lol wait he has a pore out
11:05	mircea_popescu	pretty cool.
11:05	danielpbarron	but anyway; to answer the question: yes I would honor my parents even if they are wicked (mine happen to be currently)
11:05	danielpbarron	atheists
11:05	mircea_popescu	what do they do ?
11:06	asciilifeform	to be fair, 'render unto caesar...' was written before caesar was synonymous with 'batshit'
11:06	mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/DigkZGS.gif << this is too fuckin cute
11:06	diametric	danielpbarron: but doesn't the bible also say honoring wicked people is a sin?
11:06	danielpbarron	my mom is an adulterer (divorced my dad and now has a boyfriend)
11:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.024394 = 0.122 BTC [-]
11:06	diametric	danielpbarron: doesn't that kind of fuck you in the end, you're going to hell whether you like it or not
11:06	danielpbarron	diametric, chapter and verse please/
11:06	danielpbarron	diametric, it terrifies me
11:06	diametric	lol
11:06	mircea_popescu	lmao diametric just got served a "link ?" v0.1
11:07	jurov	ThickAsThieves: there?
11:07	jurov	i wonder how would you help f.mpif moving if you were mm
11:07	Mats_cd03	you have to be pretty gullible to believe in the bible
11:08	diametric	you guys are sure he's not a troll?
11:08	diametric	Poe's law is a bitch.
11:08	mircea_popescu	"I know that a home with an unfenced swimming pool is as dangerous as one with a loaded gun."
11:08	mircea_popescu	eh what the fuck.
11:08	diametric	danielpbarron: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+13%3A10&version=ESV is the closest I can find. Since your parents are atheists, I think its your duty to go stone them now.
11:08	assbot	Deuteronomy 13:10 ESV - You shall stone him to death with - Bible Gateway
11:09	diametric	take pics and report back.
11:09	Mats_cd03	evangelicals are basically trolls
11:09	mike_c	more kids die from the pool than from guns.
11:10	danielpbarron	diametric, that would violate Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.
11:10	Mats_cd03	lets change that statistic and gun some children down
11:10	diametric	danielpbarron: so your god contradicts himself?
11:10	diametric	does he do that often?
11:10	diametric	maybe the only solution is to stone yourself then.
11:11	mircea_popescu	srsly ?
11:11	danielpbarron	diametric, it is not a requirement of salvation to enforce the law of the old testement, but it isn't a bad idea if you can do it
11:11	mircea_popescu	well if i had no other reasons to not have kids, this'd be sufficient.
11:11	mircea_popescu	i do not wish to be involved with anything that annoying.
11:11	mike_c	;;calc 105.599253 / 166.97404975
11:11	gribble	0.632429129904
11:11	mike_c	gribble needs a _ operator
11:11	mircea_popescu	fucking fence the pool. what next.
11:12	pankkake	you managed to fuck a billion women and had no kids?
11:12	mircea_popescu	im pretty sure it wasn't a billion women
11:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.00085847 = 15.2378 BTC [+] {2}
11:13	mircea_popescu	My friends and I sometimes play this game, the did-our-parents-really-let-us-do-that game. We recall bike ramps, model rockets, videotaping ourselves setting toys on fire. Many remember taking off on bikes alone, playing in the woods for hours without adult supervision, crawling through storm drains to follow creek beds, latchkey afternoons, monkey bars installed over slabs of concrete. My husband recalls forts built
11:13	mircea_popescu	in the trunk of the station wagon on long road trips. I remember standing up in the back of my father’s LeBaron convertible while he cruised around the neighborhood, or spending an hour lying low on the seat of our station wagon, feet against the window, daydreaming or reading in crowded parking lots while my mother got groceries or ran other boring errands. One friend tells me how, from 7-Elevens, to Kroger, to var
11:13	mircea_popescu	ious banks, schools and offices, he was left alone in the front passenger seat of a convertible Mustang for a good portion of his childhood, primarily because he was shy and wanted to not have to meet new people. For people of our generation, living a suburban childhood, the car was central to our lives, not simply a mode of transportation but in many ways, an extension of our home.
11:13	mircea_popescu	all the many things that are STILL not dangerous today.
11:13	diametric	danielpbarron: oh so now that the old testament is hard to justify in modern times, you just throw it away? except you can't, because matthew 5:18 clearly says, from Jesus, that until heaven and earth are gone, you need to follow the law of the old testament.
11:13	mike_c	jurov: how are you trying to make it move? more volume isn't really a goal is it?
11:14	mircea_popescu	"In the months of fear and shame that followed my being charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor, I continuously analyzed my own mind-set that day, trying to understand how I did something that both a bystander and a police officer considered criminally dangerous, and the best I could come up with was the theory that I’d been lulled by nostalgia into a false sense of security."
11:14	diametric	danielpbarron: 17"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.…
11:14	mircea_popescu	the correct conclusion being that a bystander is insane and the police officer cowardly.
11:14	diametric	danielpbarron: i think you're in a bindh ere.
11:15	diametric	I wonder what Jesus's take on Bitcoin would be.
11:16	danielpbarron	diametric, the law has not be abolished; it has been fulfilled. It is still the law, but salvation is achieved through belief, not strict enforcement
11:16	jurov	fyi, hungarian citizenship is easy, just dig out some confirmation your ancestors are from old hungary (=practically whole eastern europe)
11:16	mircea_popescu	jurov, not practically useful to muricans.
11:16	diametric	danielpbarron: its still the law, and jesus says you should follow the law, how is that not clear?
11:16	jurov	not if their grandma came from there
11:16	diametric	danielpbarron: why are you not out stoning atheists and raping their wives right now.
11:17	jurov	mike_c: yes more volume
11:17	danielpbarron	diametric, because Jesus said to submit to the government authorities, and they made stoning illegal
11:17	mike_c	lots of trading volume is not a good thing, or the goal of a market maker. goal of a market maker should be to keep the price near the intrinsic value of the asset.
11:18	jurov	*and* profit
11:18	mike_c	this being the goal of a good market maker, not a wall street huckster.
11:18	mike_c	you profit when people want to trade away from the asset's intrinsic value and you allow them to.
11:18	diametric	danielpbarron: killing gays in uganda is legal, so people slaughtering them still have a ticket to heaven?
11:18	mircea_popescu	mike_c, there's also some interest to allow people be served.
11:18	jurov	it is well outside it already
11:19	mircea_popescu	is it ?!
11:19	diametric	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Act,_2014
11:19	assbot	Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Act, 2014 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
11:19	jurov	!t m f.mpif
11:19	assbot	[MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 (4601 shares, 1.00 BTC), 7D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021599 / 0.00021725 (15651 shares, 3.38 BTC), 30D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021709 / 0.00021726 (125310 shares, 27.20 BTC)
11:19	diametric	danielpbarron: so?
11:19	mike_c	intrinsic value != nav
11:19	mircea_popescu	mike_c, in this case ? why not ?
11:19	jurov	last report says 0.0021536
11:19	diametric	danielpbarron: up until that point, it was cool right?
11:20	mircea_popescu	;;calc 1.01*0.0021536
11:20	gribble	0.002175136
11:20	jurov	;;calc 21725/21536
11:20	gribble	1.00877600297
11:20	danielpbarron	diametric, you aren't saved by enforcing the law.. if you enforce the law without believing, you are like the hypocrites Jesus scolded for trying to kill the prostitute
11:20	mircea_popescu	jurov, seems within bounds
11:20	mike_c	because present value of future cash flows counts.
11:20	jurov	ok, it's not "well" outside, i take it back
11:21	ThickAsThieves	<+jurov> ThickAsThieves: there? --- mostly
11:21	diametric	danielpbarron: so at the time, when being gay was a capital offense, and killing a gay person was legal, if a Christian killed a gay person in Uganda, and believed, they're in heaven right?
11:21	penguirker	New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/better-business-bureau-issues-warning-business-cointerra/
11:21	jurov	ThickAsThieves i just asked you to look to f.mpif order book and some ideas
11:21	diametric	danielpbarron: well I should say, they'll go to heaven.
11:21	danielpbarron	diametric, yes; homosexuals should be stoned to death
11:22	diametric	there we go, at least you're acknowledging the brutality of your all loving god.
11:22	jurov	"what would TAT do"
11:22	Blazedout419	lol stoned to death?
11:22	diametric	He loves you more with ever toss of a stone.
11:22	mike_c	not to keep sticking my nose in when you keep asking TaT, but i don't think more volume should be a goal.
11:22	danielpbarron	diametric, God also hates and kills
11:22	mike_c	</soapbox>
11:22	Blazedout419	oh you believe in that crap then?
11:22	ThickAsThieves	hmm i havent paid attention to it, but i will say i think your goal is to make money while following the rules, nothing more
11:22	diametric	this is a perfect example of Poe's law happening
11:22	Blazedout419	the mighty sky people...
11:23	ThickAsThieves	you have plenty info, but i'm guessing there is no action on the books outside 1%
11:23	danielpbarron	diametric, I get that a lot
11:23	jurov	mike_c you're free to discuss ofc, volume goal stems from me wating to get something out of it
11:23	diametric	as fun as it is playing chess with pigeons, i'm going afk for a bit.
11:23	ThickAsThieves	fwiw, it's common for very little selling to happen on mpex
11:24	mike_c	<back on soapbox> if you have good shareholders, why do you want them leaving? (i.e. selling)
11:24	mircea_popescu	lol somebody's read buffett
11:24	mike_c	40 years worth so far. 10 more to go.
11:25	ThickAsThieves	no one said you want them selling or leaving
11:25	ThickAsThieves	but we're in jurov's shows here
11:25	ThickAsThieves	no one else's
11:25	jurov	okay, so.. if the orderbook/volume keeps staying like this, i'll just get long
11:25	ThickAsThieves	shoes*
11:25	mircea_popescu	anyway, take the ethical end of it : would you rather have drug addicts use clean needles or w/e they can find in hospital garbage ?
11:25	ThickAsThieves	you're left basically waiting for your over/underpriced orders to fill
11:25	ThickAsThieves	or otherwise watching paint dry
11:25	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves, it's always dangerous to imagine things will forever go the way they went the past month.
11:26	mike_c	BingoBoingo watched paint dry last month. it was the right thing to do.
11:26	ThickAsThieves	of course, things WILL happen
11:26	jurov	yes. the problem is, overpriced order end up above the 1m offered
11:26	jurov	and underpriced must get below my 2% band
11:26	ThickAsThieves	but their frequency is low here
11:26	jurov	and this can stay so for several moths
11:26	mike_c	then you have an easy job :)
11:26	jurov	lolk
11:26	ThickAsThieves	easy and hard
11:27	ThickAsThieves	i think jurov is just expressing he feels ineffective
11:27	mike_c	at some point a significant holder will want to get out, or a significant buyer will want to get in. jurov will be there waiting.
11:28	jurov	just soliciting ideas, i may feel ineffective if this keeps going on for longer time
11:28	mike_c	isn't your constraint 1%?
11:28	jurov	yes, on both sides of nav
11:28	ThickAsThieves	yeah
11:28	chetty	http://deadspin.com/rio-mayor-on-world-cup-we-re-latins-we-re-not-used-t-1586749546?utm_source=recirculation&utm_medium=recirculation&utm_campaign=fridayAM
11:28	assbot	Rio Mayor On World Cup: "Were Latins, Were Not Used To Deadlines"
11:28	ThickAsThieves	so all he has to do is keep himself in his band and wait
11:28	jurov	so 2% toether
11:29	mike_c	;;calc 0.0002158 * 1.01
11:29	gribble	0.000217958
11:29	mike_c	ah, that is above the new share block.
11:29	ThickAsThieves	unless you wanna go promoting MPEx to get more users, which, incidentally is already something you have incentive to do with Coinbr
11:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 882 @ 0.0008585 = 0.7572 BTC [+]
11:31	ThickAsThieves	how are things going with CoinBr, if i may ask?
11:32	jurov	coinbr rode mostly on satoshidice
11:33	jurov	since it went away, not very much
11:33	ThickAsThieves	i see
11:33	ThickAsThieves	any plans for it?
11:34	jurov	the thing i think would help most, would be to offer margin.. but i don't feel like going into such alone and did not find anyone suitable yet
11:36	ThickAsThieves	i'm not sure it'd be the solution at this time really
11:36	jurov	why not? X.EUR + margin could replace the former options
11:36	ThickAsThieves	because mpex offers margin, no?
11:37	jurov	did you ask mp for it? you know wat are the conditions?
11:37	ThickAsThieves	no
11:37	ThickAsThieves	but you think you could offer better?
11:38	jurov	that's something i need someone who has plenty of trade experience to help figure me out
11:38	los_pantalones	jurov, what are you trying to shake out ?
11:38	ThickAsThieves	i dont see that as an early stage service to safely get into
11:38	los_pantalones	i may be able to help
11:39	jurov	i think of something like bitcoinica was, just done right and with delivery in euros (via x.eur)
11:39	ThickAsThieves	and combining that with that mpex does offer it, it seems an awkward path to start on
11:39	ThickAsThieves	i'd lean towards expansion into other less-mpexy services
11:40	jurov	such as.. dice games? :DDD
11:40	ThickAsThieves	hehe
11:40	ThickAsThieves	well not quite what i meant, but i was forgetting you have that
11:40	ThickAsThieves	more like related services
11:41	Mats_cd03	god hates niggers
11:41	ThickAsThieves	i dunno, like specialized stock charting
11:41	ThickAsThieves	or integration with other stock exchanges
11:41	ThickAsThieves	and colored coins
11:41	ThickAsThieves	right now coinprism has a wallet and people can ipo, but there;s no exchange
11:42	ThickAsThieves	he's building one
11:42	ThickAsThieves	it won't have any reputation features
11:42	jurov	there's your answer... why they did not go on nigger coins?
11:42	ThickAsThieves	those would be better example of what i mean for paths for CoinBr
11:42	jurov	we looked into it for coinroll, it's mess
11:43	ThickAsThieves	just things to think about i guess
11:43	ThickAsThieves	as much as i have spoken against colored coins, i have come around to seeing how they'll probably have a place
11:44	jurov	and i have another project in the pipeline, too
11:44	jurov	no need to add more
11:44	ThickAsThieves	well then i should stop imposing
11:44	ThickAsThieves	:)
11:44	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00086231 = 14.1419 BTC [+] {2}
11:44	ThickAsThieves	care to share anything about the other project?
11:45	jurov	anon dot ml ;)
11:45	ThickAsThieves	nice
11:45	jurov	it will use freenet to ensure we can't learn anything about the customers even under rectothermals
11:46	jurov	the prototype is working, but as did not find decent admin, must to thet part myself
11:46	ThickAsThieves	lemme know if you need help with the logo ;D
11:46	jurov	ok, good
11:48	ThickAsThieves	http://www.cnet.com/news/man-runs-3237-miles-in-name-of-bitcoin-and-homelessness/
11:48	assbot	Man runs 3,237 miles in name of Bitcoin and homelessness - CNET
11:49	ThickAsThieves	"In the four months he's been on the move, he's shed 72 pounds, met all sorts of people, and been daunted by the thousands of miles ahead."
11:49	jurov	brb
11:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00086279 = 4.6159 BTC [+] {2}
11:54	fluffypony	xmj: around?
11:55	xmj	fluffypony: no.
11:55	fluffypony	wow
11:55	fluffypony	such AI
11:55	fluffypony	xmj: tell xmj to come to his computer
11:55	fluffypony	worst bot ever.
11:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0213 = 0.1491 BTC [-]
11:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.024394 = 0.1464 BTC [-]
11:59	xmj	such AI, many lulz, much fun
12:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 19.40158558 BTC to 8`242 shares, 235399 satoshi per share
12:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.76279896 BTC to 8`242 shares, 21388 satoshi per share
12:07	*	asciilifeform noticed that bird is still at work - and beginning to destroy expensive mosquito nets, tearing with beak, shitting continuously. i go out and set five mouse traps on its shit perch plank. two minutes later: unrelated bird whacked. i pick up carcass to throw to the kittehs, it comes back to life & rockets away, leaving glove full of feathers.
12:07	asciilifeform	original bird: still working hard.
12:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00086303 = 9.8817 BTC [+] {2}
12:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [+]
12:07	fluffypony	ok
12:07	fluffypony	assbot
12:07	fluffypony	asciilifeform
12:07	fluffypony	you're going to love this
12:07	fluffypony	https://www.dropbox.com/s/oce9akdpaqchtf3/defective%20bird%201.mp4
12:07	assbot	Dropbox - defective bird 1.mp4
12:07	fluffypony	I paid someone on Fiverr to do a voiceover
12:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.02116067 = 0.3174 BTC [-] {5}
12:09	mike_c	you need a hobby :)
12:09	fluffypony	I have one - I wrote the script
12:09	fluffypony	:-P
12:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 17 @ 0.02057647 = 0.3498 BTC [-] {5}
12:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2401 BTC [-]
12:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0214 = 0.1498 BTC [+] {2}
12:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0202 = 0.1616 BTC [-] {2}
12:27	jurov	asciilifeform: he came to demonstrate mircea's "you can't stop bird flying onto"
12:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.0202 = 0.2424 BTC [-] {2}
12:29	jurov	and/or to drop some NSA stuff around your house, i guess
12:29	TomServo	asciilifeform: So you have a cat burrowing under your foundation and bird trying to fly through your window?
12:30	BingoBoingo	%ticker
12:30	mike_c	this is what you get for moving out of the city
12:31	atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 150 Ask: 256 Last Price: 256 24h-Vol: 188k High: 256 Low: 185 VWAP: 224
12:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.021898 = 0.1095 BTC [+] {2}
12:31	chetty	http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/10880243/Argentina-appoints-new-secretary-of-national-thought.html
12:31	assbot	Argentina appoints new secretary of 'national thought' - Telegraph
12:32	BingoBoingo	Bird has hitpoint too, apparently
12:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 173 @ 0.0202 = 3.4946 BTC [+] {2}
12:38	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Shotgun sized for spiders much not seem like such an excessive idea anymore...
12:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.02287487 = 0.183 BTC [+] {3}
12:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0202 = 0.1212 BTC [+] {2}
12:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 44 @ 0.0202 = 0.8888 BTC [+]
12:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 23 @ 0.0234 = 0.5382 BTC [-]
12:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0234 = 0.1872 BTC [-] {2}
12:55	asciilifeform	fluffypony: lol! and, incidentally, the thing is... still there.
12:56	fluffypony	it's a persistent little shit, then
12:59	asciilifeform	amazing beast.
12:59	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
12:59	asciilifeform	if it's an avian cyborg warrior of the fuhrer, it's doing a piss poor job of being inconspicuous.
13:01	TomServo	asciilifeform: What kind of bird is it?
13:02	jurov	iirc pigeon
13:02	jurov	;;seen pigeons
13:02	gribble	pigeons was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 21 hours, 23 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <pigeons> pediwikia?
13:16	thestringpuller	;;seen BingoBoingo
13:16	gribble	BingoBoingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 37 minutes and 54 seconds ago: <BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: Shotgun sized for spiders much not seem like such an excessive idea anymore...
13:16	thestringpuller	oops
13:18	pankkake	!up Skirmant
13:18	Skirmant	thanks!
13:18	fluffypony	thestringpuller: http://youtu.be/beA99BVTFJ0
13:18	assbot	The Lilac Breasted Usagi Bird - YouTube
13:19	benkay	http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2023778865_spushootingxml.html
13:21	punkman	fluffypony: who did the voiceover? not bad
13:21	fluffypony	punkman: some dude on Fiverr
13:22	fluffypony	http://www.fiverr.com/heresricky
13:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34064 @ 0.00085857 = 29.2463 BTC [-] {5}
13:28	jurov	http://www.ozarksfirst.com/media/lib/184/0/b/d/0bdcdfe7-623f-4653-be2a-7ba629d8ee70/Slaughter_Press_Release_6_3_2014.pdf from "Mr.Slaughter, in his 60s"
13:30	pankkake	there's no indication of how much will be refunded
13:30	pankkake	not that anyone can really know how much was actually spent
13:30	pankkake	so the fucker is going to keep a nice profit for himself
13:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [+] {2}
13:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [+]
13:44	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MG] 380000 @ 0.00009001 = 34.2038 BTC [-] {4}
13:49	asciilifeform	TomServo, jurov: bird is a robin. and still working.
13:49	kakobrekla	still on the job?!
13:49	asciilifeform	Turdus migratorius.
13:52	jurov	http://www.rudebaguette.com/2014/06/06/la-maison-du-bitcoin-hosts-first-french-bitcoin-hackathon/ davout cool
13:52	assbot	La Maison du Bitcoin hosts the first French bitcoin hackathon
13:57	jurov	!up sedeki
13:57	jurov	!up sedeki
13:57	sedeki	hi
13:57	jurov	!up Littlep1_
13:57	sedeki	will i get voiced if i rejoin now automatically?
13:58	jurov	sedeki sadly not
13:58	jurov	;;gettrust assbot sedeki
13:58	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask sedeki!~textual@unaffiliated/sedeki. Trust relationship from user assbot to user sedeki: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=sedeki | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=sedeki | Rated since: Thu Nov 15 20:15:51 2012
13:58	jurov	you need to get into level 2 here
13:58	sedeki	all right
13:58	jurov	!up bloctoc
13:59	jurov	!up jMyles
13:59	mike_c	what do you do sedeki?
13:59	sedeki	i'm a python/django programmer
13:59	mike_c	excellent choices. what do you work on?
13:59	sedeki	nothing at the moment
13:59	kakobrekla	excellent choice.
13:59	jurov	heh.. and do you have some past references?
13:59	pankkake	so what do you think about masters and slaves?
14:00	sedeki	haha
14:00	kakobrekla	and niggers?
14:00	jurov	just switch to turbogears. no such nonsense there :D
14:00	sedeki	that whole debate is just downside up
14:00	sedeki	or whatever :-)
14:01	sedeki	jurov are you looking for a programmer?
14:02	jurov	sedeki, yes. but i'm picky
14:03	sedeki	pm?
14:03	jurov	your work is super sikrit?
14:04	sedeki	i'd rather not disclose my full time job no
14:05	jurov	hm, i don't have good experiences with folks with fulltime jobs
14:05	jurov	they are even slower than me
14:05	kakobrekla	yes job is poison
14:05	sedeki	i have to make a living somehow
14:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.02943368 = 0.2943 BTC [-]
14:06	BingoBoingo	sedeki: NSA or unemployed?
14:06	sedeki	unemployed
14:06	kakobrekla	nsa then.
14:06	asciilifeform	unemployed nsa grunt
14:06	kakobrekla	:D
14:07	jurov	maybe i can throw live.coinbr.com your way and let's see.. nsa needs proper graphs
14:07	kakobrekla	btcalpha?
14:07	jurov	btcalpha still does not have mpif
14:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19950 @ 0.00085552 = 17.0676 BTC [-] {3}
14:08	mike_c	huh?
14:08	fluffypony	jurov: http://www.btcalpha.com/mpif-tracker/
14:08	assbot	F.MPIF Live Tracker - Btc Alpha
14:08	mike_c	http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/f-mpif/
14:08	assbot	F.MPIF Analysis - Btc Alpha
14:09	jurov	oh it was added sry
14:09	mike_c	btcalpha - our motto is: never more than two months late.
14:09	jurov	anyway i have some code ready for really live updates and ticker it but it needs to be deployed and generally taken care of
14:10	BingoBoingo	I guess I provide some a five minute warning on an announcement concerning the sitting on the hands matter
14:10	BingoBoingo	%book
14:10	atcbot	12k@270 25k@269 18k@256 | 3k@150 50k@143 175k@142
14:10	BingoBoingo	%ticker
14:10	atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 150 Ask: 256 Last Price: 256 24h-Vol: 188k High: 256 Low: 185 VWAP: 224
14:11	BingoBoingo	%diff
14:11	atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 172931.71 in 1949 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -75.83
14:12	jurov	brb gotta do groceries.. sedeki pm me if interested
14:14	BingoBoingo	Basically next month's ATC statement will be less boring than lasts. Still to early to say if it is for better or worse.
14:15	bloctoc	!up blotoc
14:15	fluffypony	I vote for better, k thx
14:15	benkay	<bloctoc> !up blotoc // kek
14:16	BingoBoingo	fluffypony: It is a market, not a democracy. If you want to vote to to the BitBet comments like everyone else.
14:16	fluffypony	lol!
14:17	bloctoc	benkay you laugh but it worked!
14:18	BingoBoingo	!up MarcSummers
14:18	mircea_popescu	motherfucker.
14:18	mike_c	you called?
14:18	mircea_popescu	so i set up a new desktop system, works fine. i go to bed.
14:18	mircea_popescu	i wake up, it powers up but a)no signal to monitor
14:19	mircea_popescu	b) won't even turn off. ie, hold power down 5 seconds ? nada.
14:19	mircea_popescu	who the fuck ever heard of this.
14:20	fluffypony	I find modern desktop hardware incredibly finicky and unreliable
14:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0236 = 0.118 BTC [-]
14:20	fluffypony	I had Quantum Bigfoot TX 6gb drives that lasted like 8 years or something ridiculous
14:20	bloctoc	!up Littlep1
14:21	fluffypony	despite me experimenting to see if I could hot-swap an IDE drive
14:21	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Sounds like you have to start posting girls to keep watch for gremlins while you sleep.
14:21	mircea_popescu	that for one thing
14:22	mircea_popescu	but for another thing, what sort of failure mode is this you tell me ?! fans spin, on both cpu and vid card, but monitor reports no signal and board ignores atx shutdown
14:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.01940015 = 0.2522 BTC [-] {4}
14:23	mircea_popescu	i mean what, the ite chip blew overnight out of loneliess ?
14:24	mircea_popescu	meanwhile other board won't see any harddrives. because fuck you, who said a board should see hard drives ?
14:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 24 @ 0.0190019 = 0.456 BTC [-]
14:26	mircea_popescu	anyway, anyone waiting for mpex deposits/withdrawals will have to wait till tomorrow. with my apologies.
14:26	mike_c	clearly the additional hardware installed on your motherboard during transit is having side effects
14:27	mircea_popescu	lol
14:28	BingoBoingo	Or perhaps the desired effects, maybe some sort of "Annoyotron" is hooked up to a JTAG port.
14:29	pankkake	I've had that, it was some electrical problem - fans spinning and nothing else happening
14:30	pankkake	had to remove stuff until I found the culprint
14:32	mike_c	what was the culprit?
14:32	mircea_popescu	and once the board is bare ?
14:32	pankkake	I don't remember wether it was a card or a hard drive
14:33	pankkake	I think I've had a hard drive block the boot, but it was even preventing the PSU from powering on
14:33	mircea_popescu	ya but see, this powers
14:33	mircea_popescu	i even tried to attach the speaker, but it makes no sound
14:33	mircea_popescu	i guess i'll have to chuck this board.
14:34	pankkake	some high end motherboards now have a status display - much easier to check for errors than beeps
14:34	mike_c	20 year old dells have those too
14:35	mircea_popescu	well im just fucking pissed off tbh
14:35	pankkake	I hate those kind of issues
14:36	pankkake	one of the reasons I keep plenty of spare hardware
14:36	fluffypony	the Intel Blue Hills boards in our experimental rigs have a little 2 character LCD display
14:36	BingoBoingo	"Several years ago, I came across a ranking of careers based on overall desirability. "President of the United States" was somewhere in the lower-middle of the pack, because it offers the most power and prestige, but also has the highest workplace fatality rate, terrible job security, brutal hours, and relatively low wages given what presidential-type people could earn on the open market."
14:36	fluffypony	much more helpful than POST beeps
14:36	jurov	o looky someone needs trusted hardware monkey too
14:37	pankkake	wait, is it beeeeep bip beeeeeep or beeeep beeeep beeeeep?!
14:37	mike_c	BingoBoingo: that's just the published wages though
14:37	chetty	mine did that long beep, resetting memory fixed it
14:37	mircea_popescu	it does *silence*
14:37	mike_c	that means it's the NIC.
14:38	chetty	well I had silence too, before I hooked up the speaker for that
14:38	mircea_popescu	i hooked up my speaker
14:38	mircea_popescu	silence both wsays
14:38	mircea_popescu	what do you mean it's the nic ?!
14:39	mike_c	silence = nic. beeeep bip beeep = memory. beeeeep beeeeep beeeeep = power supply
14:39	BingoBoingo	mike_c: You also have to consider the 18% workplace mortality rate...
14:39	mike_c	but it depends on the model of motherboard
14:39	mircea_popescu	mike_c, are you serious ?! who even cares if the on board lan card works ?!
14:39	mike_c	(and i'm just kidding)
14:39	mircea_popescu	aok
14:39	MarcSummers	huh
14:40	jurov	BingoBoingo: today the potus was in normandy on 70th anniversary, with putin, merkel, queen elizabeth and everyone, live tv.. i thought it would be the best setup for alien strike, but sadly nothing such happened
14:41	mike_c	BingoBoingo: plus it's gotta take significant years off your life even if it doesn't kill you in office.
14:41	BingoBoingo	jurov: Why would the Aliens strike the Queen, she's one of theirs...
14:44	jurov	i'd think there's agreement against top honchos of earth to be in one place
14:44	jurov	but then, mircea is safe in BA
14:46	mircea_popescu	im fucking unsafe, aparently someone's burning obscure bits off my hardware with a magical death ray
14:46	assbot	Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3ECNH5A.txt )
14:46	BingoBoingo	!b 6
14:47	BingoBoingo	http://gawker.com/military-color-guard-assigned-to-march-in-gay-pride-par-1587154288
14:47	assbot	Military Color Guard Assigned to March in Gay Pride Parade
14:49	pankkake	actually I remember a bug with NICs, where you had to unplug the computer for a few minutes to fix it (because it would force firmware reloading)
14:49	pankkake	and by unplug I mean really unplug, as the PSU would be still feeding the motherboard
14:49	ThickAsThieves	dead video card?
14:51	danielpbarron	<+mircea_popescu> who the fuck ever heard of this. << I had a similar experience with the old hardware that's been collecting dust in my room for the last 10 years
14:51	fluffypony	danielpbarron: you may need to get your room cleaned more often
14:52	mircea_popescu	did danielpbarron just get sent upstairs to clean his room ?
14:52	BingoBoingo	Yeah
14:54	danielpbarron	i saved all the old machines i've used over the years, and recently started gutting them for parts to build a full node; glad I didn't throw all that stuff out
14:56	pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=642090
14:56	assbot	Confession of a Degenerate
14:56	Mats_cd03	lol
14:57	BingoBoingo	Fucking Klye
14:57	mike_c	well, at least the money ended up in mpif.
14:57	pankkake	:D
14:58	BingoBoingo	"Suddenly everything I had been planning, all of what I was working towards, All of the investment I had sworn to use for good..
14:58	BingoBoingo	It crashed.. I went from 24 BTC down to 10 before I even stopped hitting the "lo" key on my martingale.
14:58	BingoBoingo	My heart sunk in my chest and I felt an unexplainable/unbearable pressure in my chest.
14:58	BingoBoingo	It was at that moment I realized that I had fucked over not only my investors, but myself and my reputation.
14:58	BingoBoingo	Frantically I began betting with the 10 BTC... Trying to recoup the loses I had just endured..
14:58	Mats_cd03	Fucking loled hard
14:58	BingoBoingo	This was all in vain however, I watched my balance drop like a stone in a pond.. I remember as the balance hit zero..
14:58	BingoBoingo	My feeble attempts to recover the BTC were met with tears shortly after it sunk in what I had just done.
14:58	BingoBoingo	The feeling was worse than anything you could possibly imagine.. Akin to losing a family member or worse." -MrKlye
14:58	assbot	Last 14 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1G8KPW4.txt )
14:58	BingoBoingo	!b 14
14:58	BingoBoingo	!jd mpif
14:58	assbot	Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 170.35662385 BTC; +3.01016512 BTC (+1.7988%) since last check 2d 17h 37m 39s ago.
14:58	BingoBoingo	!jd
14:58	assbot	Just-Dice stat: 18377 BTC profit, 42.5k BTC invested, 1230.98 mio bets, 5.28 mio BTC wagered
14:59	jurov	one should do it like rg did.. martingaled satoshidice for lunch
14:59	jurov	then either asked someone to order it for him or was left hungry
14:59	fluffypony	what in fuck is wrong with these people
14:59	mircea_popescu	lmao
15:00	mircea_popescu	"This is a massive set back, which is entirely my fault.
15:00	mircea_popescu	I will continue to try to try and develop Klyemax and get revenue streams flowing.
15:00	mircea_popescu	so he's going to continue pestering the waitresses.
15:00	mircea_popescu	"yo bitch! wanna make some motherfuckin' money ? "
15:00	assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3B6A6VR.txt )
15:00	BingoBoingo	!b 3
15:00	fluffypony	yeah that was classic
15:00	fluffypony	"Most of which were used to purchase miners or cashed out and spent on drinks and VLT gambling at a local pub where I was attempting to get the waitresses to come work for me."
15:00	fluffypony	hey baby, baby, you want to be famous?
15:00	mircea_popescu	guy's waitress harem.
15:01	mircea_popescu	;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com klye harem
15:01	gribble	NEXT: 04-05-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log - bitcoin-assets.com: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-05-2014>; NEXT: 03-05-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log - bitcoin-assets.com: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-05-2014>; NEXT: 07-05-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2014&bots=true>
15:01	kakobrekla	"yo bitch! wanna make some motherfuckin'* money ? " *virtual
15:01	BingoBoingo	I swear the most useful side effect of recommending a 6 month reading and waiting period is to sort out the fucking Dice addicts.
15:02	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-05-2014#658076
15:02	assbot	#bitcoin-assets log
15:02	mircea_popescu	kinda relevant
15:02	kakobrekla	in the spirit of previous killing babies convo, you should send newbs directly to just-dice and see who comes out alive
15:03	kakobrekla	also raise the mpif stake inthere meantime.
15:03	fluffypony	I tried gambling when I was younger - read a bunch of books on playing Blackjack, played a whole lot of games against the computer, and then went to the casino with my $300
15:03	mike_c	srsly though, mpif nav is about to bust through the asks on the order book.
15:03	mike_c	get yer buy on!
15:03	fluffypony	managed to win a few hands and build that up to $600, was super proud of myself
15:03	fluffypony	and then lost it all
15:03	fluffypony	went and drew another $300
15:03	mircea_popescu	on cock-tail waitresses ?
15:03	fluffypony	and as I sat at the table I was like "what in actual fuck. this is such a scam"
15:03	punkman	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=625220.msg7108811#msg7108811
15:03	assbot	Klyemax Studios Official (Cock) Tattoo (NSFW)
15:04	fluffypony	and I walked away
15:04	fluffypony	first and last time
15:04	mike_c	thank you assbot, for keeping me from clicking that link.
15:04	mircea_popescu	this klye thing is too good, i guess ima make an adnotated version.
15:05	Apocalyptic	how much did he manage to raise btw ?
15:05	BingoBoingo	fluffypony: You miss the point of casino blackjack
15:05	fluffypony	Apocalyptic: 25 BTC
15:05	mircea_popescu	25 btc apparently.
15:06	Apocalyptic	hum, so clueless wannabe investor's pool hasn't dried up yet
15:06	BingoBoingo	fluffypony: The point of casino blackjack is to try to lose less money while getting the complimentary drinks that you would have spent on the drinks.
15:06	fluffypony	hah hah
15:07	fluffypony	I kept not having drinks because I was worried I wouldn't be able to concentrate
15:08	mike_c	it has been scientifically proven that people believe they play better when tipsy. so drink up.
15:08	Mats_cd03	blackjack is predicated on your teammates not being fucking dumb
15:08	BingoBoingo	Seriously just buy ~$1000 in chips to just sit in front of you and play with a $100 bankroll from that pile. And watch the drinks come in.
15:09	mike_c	this guy is canadien, right? why do all these idiots sound like yoda? "Terribly saddened I am by what has gone on."
15:09	Mats_cd03	poor training in english
15:10	mike_c	omg. this was FOUR HOURS before the confession:
15:10	mike_c	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=7216.msg7166297#msg7166297
15:10	assbot	Pictures of your mining rigs!
15:10	BingoBoingo	Anyone else remember the KingofSPorts lolcow who got 1BTC from dooglus for writing a confessional about his gambling everything all the time and landing in rehab?
15:10	fluffypony	what is this obsession with buying mining equipment
15:11	*	fluffypony proudly owns exactly 0 aspics
15:11	mircea_popescu	ass pics ? lol
15:11	mircea_popescu	i got trillionz
15:11	fluffypony	hahh hah
15:11	fluffypony	thanks autocorrect
15:13	pankkake	antennas?!
15:13	mircea_popescu	"well i have a lots of tattoo the wings is spreading all over my chest and make it more bigger than the actual size and its very painful specialy when the needles hit my upper cleavage all the way down to the half of my boobs "
15:14	benkay	"recuperate the funds"
15:14	fluffypony	dooglus is going to have to remove his positive trust rating, lol
15:15	fluffypony	lol
15:15	fluffypony	"Canadian Version of Amir Taaki."
15:17	mircea_popescu	"To all investors, I sincerely appologize for misusing the funds you have trusted me with.
15:17	mircea_popescu	It was never my intention to use the funds as I did, I had plans and budgets developed for them."
15:17	mircea_popescu	halmark of the forum ceo : does thinks he had no intention of doing.
15:18	BingoBoingo	%diff
15:18	atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 173891.58 in 1948 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -75.69
15:18	mircea_popescu	"
15:18	mircea_popescu	As stated before I will continue to pay out dividends to all invested. Thoughts of suicide have crossed my mind more than a few times in the past week but I am unable to leave my investors high and dry due to my lack of control."
15:18	mircea_popescu	dividends ?! but... how?
15:19	benkay	;;ticker
15:19	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 651.19, Best ask: 652.75, Bid-ask spread: 1.56000, Last trade: 652.75, 24 hour volume: 6294.08765735, 24 hour low: 647.86, 24 hour high: 664.97, 24 hour vwap: 658.892216932
15:19	benkay	;;calc 700 * 25
15:19	gribble	17500
15:19	benkay	suicide?
15:19	benkay	20k?
15:19	benkay	get a job.
15:19	Apocalyptic	As BayAreaCoin says
15:19	Apocalyptic	"Solo cam 8hrs a day blah blah blah"
15:20	BingoBoingo	%ticker
15:20	atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 143 Ask: 256 Last Price: 150 24h-Vol: 191k High: 256 Low: 150 VWAP: 223
15:29	BingoBoingo	http://jalopnik.com/army-vet-claims-scam-after-ferrari-impounded-for-not-be-1587161700
15:29	assbot	Army Vet Claims Scam After Ferrari Impounded For Not Being U.S. Spec
15:30	thestringpuller	;;ticker
15:30	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 650.94, Best ask: 653.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.06000, Last trade: 650.94, 24 hour volume: 6351.61154980, 24 hour low: 647.86, 24 hour high: 664.97, 24 hour vwap: 658.892216932
15:32	fluffypony	http://i.imgur.com/H6pKYrc.jpg
15:34	kakobrekla	*drumroll*
15:34	kakobrekla	!mpif
15:34	assbot	BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021697 BTC (Total: 433.94 BTC)
15:34	kakobrekla	tba
15:34	kakobrekla	bah
15:34	kakobrekla	thanks to mike_c .
15:34	BingoBoingo	http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/06/06/1757210/xanadu-software-released-after-54-years-in-the-making
15:34	assbot	Xanadu Software Released After 54 Years In the Making - Slashdot
15:34	mike_c	w00t. thx kako.
15:35	BingoBoingo	Sweet work kakobrekla
15:35	kakobrekla	mike did the heavy lifting
15:35	thestringpuller	thanks mike_c
15:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9145 @ 0.000857 = 7.8373 BTC [+]
15:39	thestringpuller	!ticker m F.MPIF
15:39	assbot	[MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 (4601 shares, 1.00 BTC), 7D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021599 / 0.00021725 (15651 shares, 3.38 BTC), 30D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021709 / 0.00021726 (125310 shares, 27.20 BTC)
15:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.02343695 = 0.1641 BTC [-]
15:40	kakobrekla	;;calc [!mpif --nav] - [!ticker m FMPIF --last]
15:40	gribble	Error: "!mpif" is not a valid command.
15:40	kakobrekla	dammit.
15:42	kakobrekla	sorry i got it now
15:42	kakobrekla	;;calc (- [!mpif --nav] [!ticker m FMPIF --last])
15:42	gribble	Error: "!mpif" is not a valid command.
15:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 330 @ 0.07493866 = 24.7298 BTC [+] {3}
15:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00085651 = 16.7019 BTC [-] {2}
16:07	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Is it possible your flying problem beast suspects the transformer is either a buffet, or porn?
16:08	mike_c	oh, interesting. animal kingdom becomes interested after sola arrives.
16:08	mike_c	must be humming at the right frequency.
16:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.NSA] 9879 @ 0.00013 = 1.2843 BTC [-]
16:12	BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/statuses/474974357077643264
16:12	assbot	Twitter / nowthisnews: For the first time in history ...
16:12	BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/CIA/status/474971393852182528
16:12	assbot	We can neither confirm nor deny that this is our first tweet.
16:13	mike_c	that is actually funny.
16:18	fluffypony	this is great: http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20140602.png
16:24	FabianB	!jd mpif
16:24	assbot	Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 170.36972219 BTC; +0.01309834 BTC (+0.0077%) since last check 1h 25m 54s ago.
16:24	FabianB	!mpif
16:24	assbot	BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021697 BTC (Total: 433.95 BTC)
16:26	FabianB	!t m F.MPIF
16:26	assbot	[MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 (4601 shares, 1.00 BTC), 7D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021599 / 0.00021725 (15651 shares, 3.38 BTC), 30D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021709 / 0.00021726 (125310 shares, 27.20 BTC)
16:26	FabianB	!t m S.BBET
16:26	assbot	[MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00047 / 0.00047388 / 0.000481 (5148 shares, 2.44 BTC), 30D: 0.00047 / 0.00049732 / 0.000525 (55856 shares, 27.78 BTC)
16:26	thestringpuller	mike_c: your feed is better than OneFixt
16:26	thestringpuller	lol
16:27	mike_c	i don't know what OneFixt is, but thanks!
16:28	FabianB	a technical trader in -analysis
16:28	mike_c	ah
16:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0730004 = 0.73 BTC [-]
16:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11993 @ 0.000857 = 10.278 BTC [+]
16:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.22050101 BTC [-]
16:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.220501 BTC [-]
16:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0234 = 0.234 BTC [-]
16:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0749799 = 0.4499 BTC [+]
16:50	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00085873 = 10.2618 BTC [+] {2}
16:50	mike_c	http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1525986/all-glitters-businessman-who-bought-hk27m-gold-ends-metal-bars
16:50	assbot	All that glitters: businessman 'who bought HK$270m of gold' ends up with metal bars | South China Morning Post
16:52	mircea_popescu	wait, just like germany ?
16:52	mike_c	they didn't even get metal bars
16:52	mircea_popescu	ah
16:53	mircea_popescu	so he did better than govt. businessman indeed.
16:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00085944 = 3.6956 BTC [+] {2}
16:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2595 BTC [+]
16:57	mircea_popescu	<fluffypony> http://i.imgur.com/H6pKYrc.jpg << humans are born an ddie women
16:57	mircea_popescu	manhood happens briefly in the middle there
16:57	mircea_popescu	<kakobrekla> !mpif << sweet.
16:58	mircea_popescu	jdice 170 holy sheit
16:59	FabianB	anyone understands the mechanics behind fiat banks parking big integers at the ecb and why they would pay a fee for it? is storing these integers in their own systems more expensive?
17:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 162.69600384 BTC to 77`492 shares, 209952 satoshi per share
17:00	mircea_popescu	FabianB, because in order for fractional reserve to work, banks have to have some fractoion deposited with central bank.
17:00	mircea_popescu	they eat a -.1% on 20% so they may make 8% pon 80% or w/e it is they make
17:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0730007 = 0.73 BTC [-]
17:01	FabianB	hm
17:01	mircea_popescu	(that's a summary. the reality is more complex but not substantially different)
17:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 5000 @ 0.00029106 = 1.4553 BTC [+] {8}
17:03	mircea_popescu	sadly i lack a cutter shop in this part of the world, so we'll never know if mike_c had it and the mobos had stuff added.
17:03	mircea_popescu	visual inspection doesnt yield anything interesting
17:04	FabianB	makes sense to eat a loss for the smaller part, gotta think about it why fractional reserve is needed when you have too much capital anyway
17:05	jurov	!mpif
17:05	assbot	BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021697 BTC (Total: 433.95 BTC)
17:05	mircea_popescu	too much capital ? you gotta be kidding
17:05	mircea_popescu	eu banks currently lack about 3.5 trn
17:05	Apocalyptic	^
17:06	FabianB	not capital, liquidity
17:06	mircea_popescu	no. actual capital.
17:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07459067 = 0.7459 BTC [+] {3}
17:06	FabianB	i mean i used the wrong word
17:07	FabianB	they store their excess liquidity at the ecb
17:07	jurov	how's that? they bought shitty bonds for 3.5trn?
17:08	mircea_popescu	not bonds per se.
17:08	mike_c	no one told them that triple A mortgage bonds were worthless.
17:08	mircea_popescu	just, general underwriting.
17:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0744999 = 0.447 BTC [-]
17:11	jurov	bash flushed
17:11	mircea_popescu	o you be mod ?
17:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07460095 = 0.5222 BTC [+] {3}
17:11	jurov	:]
17:11	mircea_popescu	cool
17:12	mircea_popescu	the chines ehave found the cheapest allow that's still "metal"
17:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0745 = 0.149 BTC [-]
17:12	mircea_popescu	the guts of current pc cases are so soft they bend more than pcbs
17:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0745 = 0.149 BTC [-]
17:15	mike_c	;;calc (1 / 2000000) + 0.00021697
17:15	gribble	0.00021747
17:17	fluffypony	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/06/backers_buy_in_to_uber_at_17_beeellion_valuation/
17:17	assbot	UBER UBER ALLES: Investors value ride app at $17 BEEELLION The Register
17:17	fluffypony	of course Uber is worth $17 billion
17:17	fluffypony	I can totally see that
17:18	fluffypony	PS. I'm valuing my next company at $1 billion despite it having accomplished very little and/or nothing
17:18	mircea_popescu	wads
17:18	mircea_popescu	wasnt wats up 21bn ?
17:18	mike_c	uber has done more than most. getting operations in place in so many cities/countries is not trivial.
17:18	mike_c	they have to fight the taxi commission everywhere they go
17:19	mircea_popescu	mike_c, whats your def of "operations| ?
17:19	BingoBoingo	Hiring existing livery companies
17:19	BingoBoingo	Paying them to expand
17:20	BingoBoingo	Beyond that Uber just seems to have an App
17:21	mike_c	you don't think they have their own staff all over the place?
17:21	mike_c	obv not drivers
17:21	BingoBoingo	Sure, they have a call center.
17:21	BingoBoingo	Most of Uber though is simply outsourcing to existing operators.
17:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00007351 = 0.147 BTC [-]
17:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00085864 = 19.4911 BTC [-] {2}
17:24	BingoBoingo	And on that note I'm off.
17:27	mike_c	are you fking kidding me. halep in the finals??
17:27	Apocalyptic	hehe
17:28	Apocalyptic	It reminded me of mircea when I heard the news
17:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.073 = 0.73 BTC [-]
17:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0745 = 0.5215 BTC [+]
17:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00007351 = 0.1103 BTC [-]
17:32	mircea_popescu	<mike_c> you don't think they have their own staff all over the place? << perhaps you grossly overestimate what that's worth.
17:32	mircea_popescu	i also have my own staff all over the place
17:32	mike_c	not what it's worth, i was just saying they've put in more work than most.
17:33	mircea_popescu	a that. yes, easily granted.
17:33	mircea_popescu	most just get the ap and aws instances.
17:34	mircea_popescu	but you know, coca-cola (100bn in assets or so) has... factories all over the place.
17:34	mike_c	clearly you have staff in france.. top 3 seeds out at garros?? halep in the finals??
17:34	mircea_popescu	and that does mean everywhere, turkmenistan and ghana are equally covered
17:34	mircea_popescu	mike_c, i just tend to bet on the right tits.
17:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.07242624 = 1.9555 BTC [-] {5}
17:36	mircea_popescu	here's a true story. when i was in hs they had a sort of homecoming thing, picking teh prettiest chick at the party. as a personal favour, tehy were going to proclaim the chick i went with miss our highschool.
17:36	mike_c	yeah. but uber has some possibilities because they aren't fucking sharing photos. they are selling taxi rides.
17:36	mircea_popescu	except... she wasn't going there.
17:37	mike_c	my wife was miss-her-high-school.
17:37	mircea_popescu	o hey.
17:37	mike_c	just sayin.. i married up.
17:38	mircea_popescu	lol
17:38	mircea_popescu	dun worry, looks don't last.
17:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07100001 = 0.781 BTC [-] {2}
17:39	mike_c	yeah, another 20 years and she will be the lucky one :)
17:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07233393 = 0.217 BTC [+] {2}
17:41	mike_c	by the way, this fking halep thing exposes another great money maker. Bettors clearly undervalue low probability events.
17:41	mike_c	not one person other than mp bet on halep.
17:50	mircea_popescu	i think few people actually knew her back story.
17:50	mircea_popescu	a woman willing to part with a juicy set of hooters just to play tennis well probably will train harder than your average.
17:52	*	asciilifeform went to visit meatspace people, came back, bird... still working.
17:52	mircea_popescu	dude shoot it already
17:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.26088709 BTC [+]
17:53	asciilifeform	clever bugger knows exactly where to go
17:53	*	asciilifeform reads logs, no doubt missed all the good stuff
17:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5427 @ 0.00086131 = 4.6743 BTC [+]
17:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14953 @ 0.00085744 = 12.8213 BTC [-] {2}
17:57	benkay	re uber: it's the perfect way to roll out a robo-fleet
17:57	other_mp	hm, so you can actually have multiple accounts id'dasthesame gpg id ?!
17:58	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu, other_mp: ...board ignores atx shutdown << cpu is stopped
17:58	other_mp	asciilifeform nah, cpu fan carried on
17:58	asciilifeform	fan yes, cpu no
17:59	other_mp	so board is shot basically
17:59	asciilifeform	fan is normally hardwired to +12v
17:59	asciilifeform	dollars to doughnuts, bad vreg
17:59	mike_c	;;ident other_mp
17:59	gribble	CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'other_mp', with hostmask 'other_mp!~Mircea@190.172.18.16', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None
17:59	other_mp	;;ident mircea_popescu
17:59	gribble	Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~satoshi@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None
17:59	asciilifeform	either that or mp has defective u.s. implant and i have a defective nsa camerabird.
18:00	jborkl	sup ladies
18:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 12.01217590 BTC to 29`438 shares, 40805 satoshi per share
18:01	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo, mike_c: transformer/bird hypothesis: beautiful, but one problem. wrong room.
18:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 261 @ 0.00300101 = 0.7833 BTC [-] {3}
18:03	other_mp	so from my local newspaper (which helpfully includes three pages of stock and equity listings, you should see these things) :
18:03	other_mp	cayeron 2% las escrituraciones de abril.
18:04	other_mp	las operaciones de compraventa de inmuebles durante abril en la ciudad de buenos aires alcanzaron las 2681 operaciones por un monto de $2000 miliones
18:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07299714 = 0.876 BTC [+] {2}
18:05	other_mp	en la comparacion interanual, las escrituras se redujeron 2.1% y de acuerdo al colegio de escribanos, la cantidad total aumeno un 20.6% respecto del mes anterior que registro 2223
18:05	other_mp	basically, they had 2.5k building sales in april for an average value per building of
18:05	other_mp	;;calc 2000 / 2681
18:05	gribble	0.745990302126
18:06	other_mp	750k per.
18:07	other_mp	what does the esteemed chan think, mike_c, fluffypony, los_pantalones : am i fucking insane to contemplate a ba real estate investment vehicle for btc ?
18:08	mike_c	yes
18:08	mike_c	i don't speak spanish, but i doubt that said "10x in a year"
18:09	other_mp	btc wasn;t 50 bux in 2013.
18:09	other_mp	for that matter, btc was 1.2k in jan
18:10	mike_c	btc actually was 50 bux in 2013
18:11	other_mp	moar like 100 i thought
18:11	mike_c	last time it was 50 was mid-march 2013
18:12	other_mp	http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/chart.png?width=940&m=bitstampUSD&SubmitButton=Draw&r=360&i=&c=0&s=&e=&Prev=&Next=&t=S&b=&a1=&m1=10&a2=&m2=25&x=0&i1=&i2=&i3=&i4=&v=1&cv=0&ps=0&l=0&p=0& << admirable how glued to 100 it stayed, after the april events.
18:14	benkay	residential, other_mp ?
18:14	other_mp	i don't know enough about the market to even guess.
18:14	other_mp	more interested to settle theprinciple first, then maybe more canbe squeezed from such optimisations
18:15	mike_c	to put this in perspective. it's August 2013. price is $100. "the price was $240 in april, hasn't moved in months"
18:16	benkay	my intel suggests that residential is not a good play. not enough buyers to support the market, too much inventory to support rents at a rate that accomodates inflation, plus buyers favor newer properties over anything else
18:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0730007 = 0.146 BTC [+]
18:17	benkay	there is the thing called buying the hole, where you buy a building or some fraction thereof during/prior to construction for some 30% discount. whether or not the position is liquidatable later, i cannot speak to.
18:17	benkay	commercial otoh rents for acceptable rates/
18:18	other_mp	benkay you can generally get about 1 dollar / sqft out of tourists/foreigners from what i see.
18:18	other_mp	it doesn't cost you 20 dollars/sqft to acquirethe space.
18:18	benkay	occupancy rate
18:18	benkay	cost per acquisition
18:18	other_mp	i intend to import as many sane people as possible.
18:19	other_mp	mike_c very hard to argue with that.
18:19	asciilifeform	isn't ar one of those places where they love expropriation/dekulakization?
18:19	other_mp	asciilifeform nope.
18:19	benkay	not that i'm terribly sane, but i'm working on it
18:19	other_mp	you should see the jewish section btw.
18:20	benkay	expropriation happens with oil deposits in ars, from what i've heard.
18:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0730008 = 0.146 BTC [+]
18:20	other_mp	mike_c especially cxonsideringthe sinergies involved. a successful plata valley would by and of itself drive up btc price, hurting the very thing that made it possible
18:20	asciilifeform	benkay: so drill first, if dry -> safe ?
18:21	mike_c	heh, yeah.
18:21	mike_c	kinda like using btc to develop quantum computers that destroy btc
18:21	other_mp	what would you have me do ;/
18:21	mike_c	what, you got too much time on your hands?
18:21	asciilifeform	hurting the very thing that made it possible << thermodynamics suggests that this is kinda inevitable for just about anything worthwhile
18:22	other_mp	exactly.
18:22	benkay	plata valley?
18:22	other_mp	yes. silicon is on the outs.
18:22	benkay	ah i see.
18:23	other_mp	theory being that the real estate problems of san francisco today result from poor historical management
18:23	benkay	low density?
18:23	other_mp	perhaps had the whole thing been managed by a corp into which the inerested parties could buy interest
18:23	other_mp	things'd have worked better
18:23	other_mp	trying to explore this theory.
18:24	benkay	envisioning a walled compound in bsas?
18:24	asciilifeform	relevant: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2014&bots=true#607608
18:24	assbot	#bitcoin-assets log
18:24	other_mp	why walled ?
18:24	other_mp	it's unsanitary for you to not be periodically raped.
18:24	benkay	thinking about previous comments re nazis
18:24	other_mp	how's that thinking go ?
18:24	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00085514 = 5.3874 BTC [-]
18:24	benkay	well poorly
18:24	asciilifeform	afaik the nazitowns weren't walled in
18:24	other_mp	lmao
18:24	asciilifeform	(what's there now?)
18:25	benkay	ibid the memory-ing
18:25	other_mp	mike_c does it sound any saner now ?
18:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0730009 = 0.511 BTC [+]
18:25	benkay	brains a little fried from an afternoon of porking and lifting
18:25	mike_c	but it's still an expense, not an investment
18:26	other_mp	porking = sex ?
18:26	benkay	mhm
18:26	other_mp	mike_c if the expense saves 2x the expense for 100 different peopel
18:26	other_mp	then the word for that expense is investment
18:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.072 = 0.72 BTC [-]
18:26	mike_c	right, but if that money could have grown 10x instead of 2x..
18:26	mike_c	it's a fiat investment, not a btc investment
18:27	other_mp	yes dude but we can't plant all farmland with pot.
18:27	other_mp	munchies of doom
18:27	mike_c	that's fine, but don't tel me that growing corn instead of pot is an investment
18:27	mike_c	it may be an appropriate expense, but still an expense.
18:28	other_mp	i don't lol. monsanto does.
18:28	asciilifeform	m doesn't grow corn, it grows w0rldd0mination
18:28	asciilifeform	the chumpers grow the 'corn'
18:29	other_mp	;;google adm
18:29	gribble	ADM: Home: <http://www.adm.com/>; ADM: Careers: <http://www.adm.com/careers/Pages/default.aspx>; Archer Daniels Midland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archer_Daniels_Midland>
18:30	other_mp	90bn revenue on 40bn assets.
18:32	mike_c	40b assets + 23b liabilities, but still, that's impressive.
18:32	mike_c	oh, nevermind. 1.3 bn in income.
18:32	mike_c	keep your corn.
18:33	other_mp	hehehe
18:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0721021 = 0.3605 BTC [-]
18:33	other_mp	but are they investments or are they expenses.
18:34	mike_c	lots of investments in the world. t-bills are an investment.
18:34	mike_c	i wouldn't sink any btc into them
18:34	other_mp	myeah
18:35	mike_c	I used to think bitbet was an investment until halep pranced her way into the finals.
18:35	other_mp	lol
18:36	BingoBoingo	ADM basically runs on the Uber model, little actual infrastructure (a few hub) and a lot of subcontractors.
18:36	other_mp	BingoBoingo yup.
18:36	other_mp	a lot of those big bn figures are various consolidations
18:37	*	BingoBoingo has seen the ADM elevators on the Mississippi coast of Western IL
18:39	BingoBoingo	ADM is basically a bank whose currency is grain
18:39	other_mp	mike_c sometimes i suspect your investment philosophy is roughly the equivalent of the kid that'll only eat cake.
18:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.2696768 = 2.6968 BTC [+] {8}
18:40	ThickAsThieves	in case anyone is interested, maybe asciilifeform https://github.com/blockerupter
18:40	assbot	Block Erupter GitHub
18:40	ThickAsThieves	AsicMiner's reference design
18:40	ThickAsThieves	board
18:40	asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: no useful src there (for core)
18:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 29 @ 0.2940617 = 8.5278 BTC [+] {12}
18:41	ThickAsThieves	word
18:41	mike_c	if you have identified a small set of awesome investments, why would you put money in something else that is worse?
18:41	mike_c	cake is goood
18:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.26092857 BTC [-]
18:42	BingoBoingo	!mpif
18:42	assbot	BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021705 BTC (Total: 434.12 BTC)
18:42	BingoBoingo	!t m f.mpif
18:42	assbot	[MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021599 / 0.00021725 (15651 shares, 3.38 BTC), 30D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021709 / 0.00021726 (125310 shares, 27.20 BTC)
18:43	mike_c	unless of course, you have too much money. in which case I recommend reading this article: http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/
18:43	assbot	The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
18:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07210555 = 0.7211 BTC [+]
18:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.02382848 = 0.3336 BTC [+] {5}
18:46	mircea_popescu	well, because if there isn't a universe available and everyone rides on thesame pole we'll sink.
18:47	mircea_popescu	consider : if only the things that you'd invest in existed, what would you do for food ?
18:47	mike_c	there is a universe available. some people buy t-bills.
18:47	mike_c	and some people buy RENT
18:47	mike_c	!t h RENT
18:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00379000 / 0.00384114 / 0.00449999 (205 shares, 0.78743415 BTC), 7D: 0.00280000 / 0.00375268 / 0.00470000 (1999 shares, 7.50160646 BTC), 30D: 0.00280000 / 0.00538448 / 0.00710000 (6959 shares, 37.47058930 BTC)
18:48	BingoBoingo	;;bc, stats
18:48	gribble	Error: "bc," is not a valid command.
18:48	mike_c	all I'm saying, is that if you create a BA REIT, it will decline in BTC value over the next couple years.
18:49	mike_c	and i'd be happy to bitbet back that opinion up :)
18:49	thestringpuller	mike_c: will you ever review any mining investments?
18:49	mike_c	thestringpuller: i've looked into some. but it's hard to find any worth reviewing.
18:50	mircea_popescu	mike_c couple of years is no concern, i don't see how one could fit all the required research in one year.
18:50	mircea_popescu	how about the next five years ?
18:50	thestringpuller	wow it's that bad huh?
18:50	thestringpuller	@ mike_c
18:51	mike_c	mircea_popescu: when would you make the first purchase?
18:51	mircea_popescu	2 years +- 6 months i guess
18:51	mircea_popescu	"during 2016"
18:51	mike_c	hard to say then.. would need crystal ball.
18:52	mircea_popescu	interesting.
18:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0281025 = 0.1124 BTC [-] {2}
18:52	mike_c	but my guess is it wouldn't change
18:52	mircea_popescu	what, it just goes to the moon perpetually ?
18:52	mike_c	what is BTC stabilization point? when do we get there? I don't think 2016
18:52	mike_c	obviously $8bn is a joke. it can't stay there.
18:53	mircea_popescu	what's 8 bn ?
18:53	mike_c	current mkt cap
18:53	benkay	;;ticker
18:54	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 648.83, Best ask: 653.26, Bid-ask spread: 4.43000, Last trade: 648.7, 24 hour volume: 6528.19016546, 24 hour low: 647.21, 24 hour high: 664.5, 24 hour vwap: 0
18:54	benkay	is there a gribble command to get issued coins?
18:54	mircea_popescu	"it was only sometime between 1910 and 1912 ...that a random patient, with a random disease, consulting a doctor chosen at random, had, for the first time in the history of mankind, a better than 50-50 chance of profiting from the encounter."
18:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 108 @ 0.00187577 = 0.2026 BTC [+] {7}
18:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0744998 = 0.5215 BTC [+]
18:54	mike_c	;;calc 12864025 * [ticker --last]
18:54	gribble	8347465822.5
18:54	mike_c	$8.3 bn
18:56	mircea_popescu	obviously it won't stay here.
18:56	mike_c	;;calc 35274*170000*1200
18:56	gribble	7195896000000
18:56	mike_c	that's how much all the gold is worth
18:57	benkay	mike_c: where'd you get 12864025?
18:57	mircea_popescu	i doubt that's relevant.
18:57	mike_c	benkay: blockr.io
18:57	mircea_popescu	20x world gdp seems the measure to me
18:58	mike_c	so you say $2 trillion, gold is worth $7 trillion, so let's say btc is going to be worth $1 trillion
18:58	mike_c	;;calc 20000000 / 1e12
18:58	gribble	Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
18:58	mircea_popescu	let's say "trillions" and be happy
18:59	mircea_popescu	;;totalbtc
18:59	gribble	Error: "totalbtc" is not a valid command.
18:59	mircea_popescu	;;totalbc
18:59	gribble	12864125.0
18:59	mircea_popescu	aok
18:59	mircea_popescu	benkay ^
18:59	mike_c	so wtf is that.. $50k btc price?
19:00	BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats
19:00	mike_c	won't be there by 2016 i don't think.
19:00	gribble	Current Blocks: 304564 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1867 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 15 hours, 3 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11627917352.0 | Estimated Percent Change: -1.09415
19:00	mircea_popescu	mike_c why not ? 10x two years.
19:00	mike_c	maybe, but maybe the last 10x takes a bit longer. hence crystal ball.
19:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07256041 = 0.653 BTC [-]
19:01	mike_c	plus, $50k is 1 trillion. could end up at 2t, or 5t
19:02	mircea_popescu	i was thinking, stabilisation is prolly between 100k and 1mn
19:02	mircea_popescu	or, amusingly, at the point where 1 inmueble goes for 1 btc
19:02	mike_c	at that point, i will invest in the REIT :)
19:02	asciilifeform	in other news, persistent bird finally appears to have ended up at end of the line - in cat.
19:03	mike_c	finally. darwin wins.
19:03	BingoBoingo	Did the cat reveal any odd configurations in the flybeast?
19:04	asciilifeform	haven't found any remains, so not 100% sure. but thick & contented cat now sitting on the shit perch.
19:04	mircea_popescu	who was hating on religion earlier ?
19:04	mircea_popescu	"60 Religion Protects You From Bad Science --Medicine, Expert Problems, and the Rationality of Temples" quoth taleb.
19:04	mike_c	thestringpuller: there are safer ways to invest in bitcoin difficulty besides mining companies. like x.idiff. way less chance of scam.
19:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.26 BTC [-]
19:04	mircea_popescu	i do believe that' ssound, too. by making people deaf to arguments, religion makes people deaf to bad arguments
19:04	mircea_popescu	which explains why burka wearing islamic women are not nearly as annoying as reddit dwelling us women.
19:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00253949 = 0.2666 BTC [+]
19:05	mircea_popescu	http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/notebook.htm < sauce
19:06	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I guess feline disassembly and analysis isn't warranted until it catches another defective flybeast...
19:08	asciilifeform	http://imgur.com/o2HcssV
19:08	assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer
19:09	benkay	bitbet's also a good way to make money on mining without ever touching miners
19:09	benkay	just lay odds on diff bets as soon as they appear
19:10	*	benkay goes off to update his oddsheet
19:11	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: on the contrary, i should like to tame this one. he likes to sit in the window box (once contained plants) near my work room.
19:11	mike_c	asciilifeform: lol. you need to stitch that as the last frame of your earlier video :)
19:12	asciilifeform	same animal that appeared to tunnel under house (cat, afaik, cannot actually tunnel)
19:13	mircea_popescu	cats will dig, sure.
19:13	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Probably ought to leave it some incentives to continue its air defence mission.
19:13	asciilifeform	afaik only to bury turd
19:13	mircea_popescu	not a s proficient as a hound that smelled a rat, but still
19:13	mircea_popescu	they can digup a mouse
19:13	asciilifeform	cat experts, chime in - can the animal tunnel
19:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27988 @ 0.00085423 = 23.9082 BTC [-] {4}
19:15	asciilifeform	the moral of the story appears to be: 'longcat is long.'
19:17	ThickAsThieves	ive never seen a cat tunnel, but i also havent been around many outdoor cats
19:17	asciilifeform	moiety awake?
19:17	ThickAsThieves	raccoons will do it tho
19:18	ThickAsThieves	raccoons are like idiot cats
19:18	mircea_popescu	and more powerful
19:19	mircea_popescu	!up handsomesally
19:21	handsomesally	hi
19:21	mircea_popescu	ello
19:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8021 @ 0.00085467 = 6.8553 BTC [+] {2}
19:27	benkay	who are you, handsomesally ?
19:28	handsomesally	calvinism is the only way that makes sense in the way of salvation
19:28	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: taleb link << mighty interesting
19:28	mircea_popescu	guy has a fucking point.
19:28	mircea_popescu	it is better to be stupid and appear stupid than to be stupid and appear a ceo.
19:28	handsomesally	heretics claim god loves everyone
19:28	handsomesally	thats a lie, John 3:16 greek is kosmos and it dosent mean everyone
19:29	mircea_popescu	it does mean "everything" which is close enough.
19:30	handsomesally	so in So the Pharisees said to one another, "You see that you are not doing any good; look, the world has gone after Him." John 12:19 everyone in the world went after him?
19:31	mircea_popescu	why not ?
19:31	mircea_popescu	closeenough
19:31	handsomesally	or For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” John 6:33
19:31	handsomesally	Jesus gives life to the world? everyone? if that is everyone in the world then everyone goes to heaven but that is not true
19:31	mircea_popescu	been there or how'd you know
19:32	mircea_popescu	the line where life is a divine gift has plenty of exploratory history, not liable to end up tripping.
19:32	handsomesally	and god does not love everyone
19:33	handsomesally	Every evil of theirs is in Gilgal; there I began to hate them. Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of my house. I will love them no more; all their princes are rebels. Hosea 9:15
19:33	punkman	hello, is this biblebot?
19:33	handsomesally	nooooo
19:34	mike_c	;;ident handsomesally
19:34	gribble	Nick 'handsomesally', with hostmask 'handsomesally!~handsomes@73.186.45.139', is not identified.
19:34	mircea_popescu	punkman moar like sa trying to pick a fight with danielpbarron and or luke
19:35	handsomesally	http://www.ccel.org/ccel/edwards/sermons.sinners.html
19:35	assbot	Select Sermons - Christian Classics Ethereal Library
19:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.00085361 = 10.1153 BTC [-]
19:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.275 = 0.55 BTC [+]
19:38	handsomesally	whos assbot
19:38	punkman	handsomesally: so you are into calvinism?
19:38	handsomesally	what if i am?
19:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.273 = 0.546 BTC [-]
19:39	handsomesally	you an arminian?
19:39	asciilifeform	i've always wanted to ask an actual live calvinist! : wtf do they bother to attend church, carry out services, etc. if predestined.
19:39	handsomesally	i dont go to any churches in my area they all preach "god loves you soooo much" when in reality he dosent love everyone
19:39	handsomesally	and predestination is biblical
19:40	handsomesally	arminians reject that God chooses us
19:40	punkman	are you a chosen one?
19:40	asciilifeform	calvinism always sounded like a pretty easy religion to follow. i.e. just do whatever you want
19:40	handsomesally	elect? IDK, called yes
19:40	mike_c	catholics do that too
19:41	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00085322 = 10.6226 BTC [-] {2}
19:41	benkay	!down handsomesally
19:41	punkman	it was predestined
19:42	BingoBoingo	!up handsomesally
19:42	BingoBoingo	handsomesally: Did danielpbarron refer you here?
19:42	handsomesally	danielpbarron?
19:42	BingoBoingo	handsomesally: He also follows a peculiar form of Xtianity
19:43	handsomesally	athiest
19:43	handsomesally	no he didnt
19:43	handsomesally	but you need to repent, god will send you to hell if you dont repent from your athiesm(although you cant unless he opens your heart)
19:44	asciilifeform	wait since when does this work in calvinism
19:44	handsomesally	asciilifeform: what?
19:44	benkay	you two are unsaveable.
19:44	handsomesally	so you claim calvinists cant be saved?
19:45	BingoBoingo	I thought the point was Calvinists were already saved
19:45	benkay	handsomesally: if i'm talking to you, you'll know.
19:45	handsomesally	if your predestined to be saved you will be saved
19:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0741998 = 1.484 BTC [+]
19:46	handsomesally	the reason why people abhor calvinism is because it stresses predestination which it does
19:46	handsomesally	and limited atonement everyone believes in it
19:46	thestringpuller	!ticker m X.IDIFF.JUN
19:46	assbot	Have you got any tobacco?
19:46	thestringpuller	!ticker m IDIFF.JUN
19:46	assbot	It's so strange that you don't remember any of your poetry.
19:46	benkay	spelling and grammar: irrelevant concerns for the religious.
19:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0741999 = 0.6678 BTC [+] {2}
19:47	handsomesally	i dont care about grammar
19:47	benkay	just the old sky faerie, eh?
19:48	danielpbarron	<+handsomesally> calvinism is the only way that makes sense in the way of salvation << calvanists deny 1 Timothy 2:6 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+timothy+2%3A3-7&version=NKJV
19:48	assbot	1 timothy 2:3-7 NKJV - For this is good and acceptable in the - Bible Gateway
19:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07424 = 0.3712 BTC [+] {2}
19:48	benkay	what have you done BingoBoingo
19:48	punkman	#bitcoin-bible-study-group
19:48	BingoBoingo	benkay: Offering bashable foder
19:49	assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0DRDB98.txt )
19:49	BingoBoingo	!b 3
19:49	mike_c	kakobrekla: now that idiff's are relevant, would it be hard to add to add !t m support?
19:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.07487378 = 2.1713 BTC [+] {4}
19:49	thestringpuller	i don't think there is any volume to show mike_c
19:49	punkman	plot twist: #bitcoin-bible-study-group is about trilema
19:50	BingoBoingo	;;google site:trilema.com Tits
19:50	gribble	People have made blogs pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/people-have-made-blogs/>; Find out just how human your girlfriend really is* pe Trilema - Un ...: <http://trilema.com/find-out-just-how-human-your-girlfriend-really-is>; A practical exercise for people who can't afford airfare. pe Trilema ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/a-practical-exercise-for- (1 more message)
19:50	handsomesally	so your saying jesus died for everyone and everyone goes to heaven
19:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07498998 = 1.1998 BTC [+] {3}
19:50	benkay	you're
19:50	benkay	your is posessive
19:50	BingoBoingo	handsomesally: Who said Jesus was dead, I was cutting some lawns with him this morning...
19:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 54 @ 0.075 = 4.05 BTC [+] {2}
19:51	mike_c	$vwap x.idiff.jun
19:51	*	BingoBoingo follows an aschetic works based aetherism...
19:52	kakobrekla	mike_c the problem is not assbot, the problem is mpex
19:52	mike_c	aah
19:52	danielpbarron	<+handsomesally> thats a lie, John 3:16 greek is kosmos and it dosent mean everyone << This is a lie. Romans 3:6 uses this same term, and it speaks of God judging the world in the future. It is undeniably clear God is going to judge "every individual of mankind who has ever lived" (Psalm 9:8; 96:13; 98:9; Ecclesiastes 12:13-14; 2 Corinthians 5:10; 1 Peter 4:17).
19:52	benkay	"lie"
19:52	benkay	ffs
19:53	benkay	false import
19:53	kakobrekla	mircea_popescu you are missing diffs on mpex-vwap.php
19:54	mike_c	thestringpuller: there is. couple hundred btc have been sold this period at least
19:54	handsomesally	danielpbarron: so you pull a verse out of context huh, John 6:33 says "For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”" so saying John 3:16 equals god loves everyone means jesus gives life everyone to the world which is a lie as not everyone is saved moreover god dosent love everyone hosea 9:15 refutes that
19:54	benkay	!down handsomesally
19:55	danielpbarron	<+handsomesally> so in So the Pharisees said to one another, "You see that you are not doing any good; look, the world has gone after Him." John 12:19 everyone in the world went after him? << the key words here might be, "the Pharisees said"
19:55	benkay	now, about those idiffs
19:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.02808 = 0.2808 BTC [-] {2}
19:56	BingoBoingo	benkay: Well, there's an argument over greek nao, that's a change from the usual kinds of language wars
19:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 116 @ 0.02341497 = 2.7161 BTC [-] {7}
19:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.01978915 = 0.1781 BTC [-] {2}
19:57	benkay	lolya rly interdasted in heady theology from people who can't figure out "your" vs "you're".
19:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2640 @ 0.00007294 = 0.1926 BTC [-] {10}
19:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 211 @ 0.00177456 = 0.3744 BTC [-] {6}
19:57	thestringpuller	mike_c: hmm wish it would show up on the volume on mpex
19:58	mike_c	yeah.. that is odd
19:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 596 @ 0.00016823 = 0.1003 BTC [-] {5}
19:59	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla possibly omitted cause 0
19:59	mircea_popescu	ill have it lookt into
19:59	kakobrekla	oix is 0 too and is there
19:59	mike_c	thestringpuller: mayhaps just rolled over 30d. last trade i see in logs is http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2014#663257
19:59	assbot	#bitcoin-assets log
19:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 727 @ 0.00016306 = 0.1185 BTC [-] {8}
19:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.0732497 = 1.6115 BTC [-] {7}
19:59	thestringpuller	;;bc,stats
20:00	gribble	Current Blocks: 304569 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1862 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 14 hours, 11 minutes, and 23 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11546245801.6 | Estimated Percent Change: -1.78884
20:00	thestringpuller	mike_c: oh wow it is relevant now heh
20:01	thestringpuller	thanks for pointing this out lol
20:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.02791351 = 0.335 BTC [-] {3}
20:01	mike_c	it is a very cool thing whose time may have finally come.
20:02	mircea_popescu	"Kadú es en la actualidad el único fetish bar de Buenos Aires donde nos reunimos los gays leather locales y donde acuden también muchos visitantes extranjeros, los sábados desde las 10 de la noche. Consta de un bar y un sótano donde la acción sexual está garantizada: las prácticas del BDSM más habituales son el fisting, las lluvias (para las que, a diferencia de los anteriores clubes, hay un sector específico), el nipple
20:02	thestringpuller	indirect mining investment eh? Guess it can be a way to access mining...
20:02	mircea_popescu	menos frecuencia se dan algunas sesiones de bondage, spanking o whiping, para las cuales el establecimiento provee de los accesorios necesarios. El código de vestimenta es estricto: cuero, látex, uniformes. "
20:02	mircea_popescu	god help them they suck
20:02	danielpbarron	<+handsomesally> Jesus gives life to the world? everyone? if that is everyone in the world then everyone goes to heaven but that is not true << Scripture teaches that a person can believe in vain (1 Corinthians 15:2), receive the grace of God in vain (2 Corinthians 6:1), and even be sanctified by the blood of the covenant (Hebrews 10:29), and still end up in hell (Revelation 21:8). If a person's life questionably matches wh
20:04	mircea_popescu	!up Hoodmin
20:04	mike_c	daniel, he's gone. it's ok.
20:05		Bet created: "Billy Hamilton Rookie of the Year" http://bitbet.us/bet/887/
20:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [+]
20:06	benkay	no suits?
20:06	danielpbarron	mike_c, heh, i was up in the scroll; didn't know he left
20:07	danielpbarron	but apparently he's reading the logs through the website, so he'll probably see this anyway
20:08	mike_c	or you can PM him :)
20:10	mircea_popescu	an even better idea
20:11		Bet created: "Lewis Hamilton to win 2014 F1 World Champion" http://bitbet.us/bet/888/
20:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.287 = 0.574 BTC [+]
20:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.288 = 0.576 BTC [+]
20:17	decimation	re: ortolan >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y4MS7mSzX8
20:17	assbot	Clarkson eats an Ortolan bunting - YouTube
20:17	decimation	I suspect your crazed fowl wouldn't be as tasty as a real ortolan
20:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.29 = 0.58 BTC [+]
20:19	decimation	re: religious people: The religious zealots who bother in me are those who have turned marxism into godless Christianity - they hold the whip hand in the west for now
		~ 16 minutes ~
20:36	mircea_popescu	!up Vrontis
20:37	mircea_popescu	"The Better Business Bureau in Austin has issued a warning about doing business with Cointerra, a Bitcoin mining manufacturer."
20:38	decimation	asciilifeorm: I made contact with Mr. Parker, his tool was to create hdl code from a 7400 netlist, not the other way
20:38	mircea_popescu	!up mthreat
20:38	mircea_popescu	;;rate mthreat 1 new blood
20:38	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mthreat has been recorded.
20:38	mircea_popescu	actually
20:38	mircea_popescu	;;rate mthreat 1 had coffee
20:38	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mthreat has changed from 1 to 1.
20:39	decimation	in related news, apparently these people make GHz rate 7400 parts: http://www.potatosemi.com/potatosemiweb/74Logic.html
20:39	assbot	Potato Semiconductor 74 Logic
20:39	Mats_cd03	theology and quibbling over scripture and doctrine is so fucking dumb
20:40	Mats_cd03	a waste of cycles to so much as hold the thought in your head
20:41	Mats_cd03	;;bc,stats
20:41	gribble	Current Blocks: 304571 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1860 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 13 hours, 50 minutes, and 21 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11600761528.4 | Estimated Percent Change: -1.32514
20:41	Mats_cd03	;;ticker
20:41	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 647.83, Best ask: 649.43, Bid-ask spread: 1.60000, Last trade: 649.26, 24 hour volume: 6364.35989286, 24 hour low: 647.13, 24 hour high: 662.13, 24 hour vwap: 657.244722223
20:43	decimation	the downside: $3 for a NAND chip
20:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.0279004 = 0.1674 BTC [-]
20:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.076 = 0.152 BTC [+]
21:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 18 @ 0.02788335 = 0.5019 BTC [-] {3}
21:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0764 = 0.382 BTC [+]
		~ 27 minutes ~
21:31	TheNewDeal	notta lotta action
21:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7517 @ 0.00085285 = 6.4109 BTC [-]
21:43	mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 were you going for norway?
21:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 56 @ 0.00253649 = 0.142 BTC [-]
21:48	Mats_cd03	no
21:48	Mats_cd03	what are you referring to
		~ 22 minutes ~
22:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2948926 BTC [+]
22:18	mircea_popescu	someone wanted to ove to norway
22:18	dooglus	Re: <+BingoBoingo> Anyone else remember the KingofSPorts lolcow who got 1BTC from dooglus for writing a confessional about his gambling everything all the time and landing in rehab?
22:18	mircea_popescu	!up jadne
22:18	dooglus	uh, no
22:18	dooglus	I didn't give him anything did I?
22:18	mircea_popescu	i thought it was a little odd
22:20	mike_c	hey dooglus, how's it going. big day on JD today!
22:20	mircea_popescu	!jd
22:20	assbot	Just-Dice stat: 18429 BTC profit, 43.0k BTC invested, 1231.52 mio bets, 5.28 mio BTC wagered
22:20	mircea_popescu	not bad
22:20	mike_c	5750 wagered, nicely above average.
22:20	dooglus	crazy day, yes. at least 4 major incidents in the last 24h
22:21	mircea_popescu	incidents ?
22:21	dooglus	whale LiKaShing deposits 20 BTC, and has it immediately withdrawn by sources unknown. claims site is hacked
22:21	Mats_cd03	so much for martingale
22:21	dooglus	fake theymos loses fortune
22:21	dooglus	klye admits to spunking porn ipo fund over just-dice
22:22	mike_c	yeah, that was a good one
22:22	mike_c	what did you do about likashing?
22:22	dooglus	and pippin after discovering the joy of investing in jd instead of losing, loses all
22:22	mike_c	lol
22:22	mircea_popescu	obsesivel read logs and code ?
22:22	Namworld	Hey dooglus
22:22	dooglus	I kind of accused him of trying to make the site look bad
22:22	dooglus	hey Namworld
22:22	dooglus	that mike is still badmouthing CR in hs thread
22:23	mircea_popescu	dooglus i don't imagine 20 btc s the largest cash deposit
22:23	mike_c	did you offer any kind of evidence or just lean on your rep?
22:23	mike_c	just curious about how you deal with that kind of thing. must be reasonably common to get scam accused.
22:23	dooglus	I don't have any evidence. someone used his URL to access his account...
22:24	dooglus	it's quite rare, other than the rigtards "7 lo in a row! impossibru!"
22:25	mike_c	user 798461 last 24 hours: wagered 2,838 lost 565. ouch.
22:25	Namworld	eh, I can't do much more about it.
22:25	dooglus	weird rating system. the more trouble her has with the site, th more checkmarks you get for customer support
22:26	dooglus	he never had a problem with JD, so we get none
22:27	Namworld	Well to hell with it. If he's not happy not having instant support.
22:27	Namworld	We can't currently offer that.
22:27	dooglus	I expect MP's buttcoin was Klye's first experience with selling his body for tips
22:28	mircea_popescu	lol
22:28	dooglus	I just linked to MPIF in a reddit comment btw
22:28	dooglus	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/27hk9o/someone_calling_themselves_theymos_is_gambling/ci168sn
22:28	assbot	dooglus comments on Someone calling themselves "theymos" is gambling like mad on Just-Dice
22:28	dooglus	called it "well known"
22:29	mircea_popescu	nice
22:30	mircea_popescu	did you get banned ?
22:30	dooglus	didn't check yet
22:30	dooglus	you're banned from reddit?
22:31	mircea_popescu	uh i never had anaccount
22:33	mircea_popescu	just, average redditard gets butthurt when reminded mpex exists
22:34	mircea_popescu	plenty of people still around that "invested" in glbse and predicted mpex' imminent closure back in 2012 etc.
22:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.01980034 = 0.396 BTC [-] {2}
22:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0237999 = 0.1666 BTC [+]
22:52	TheNewDeal	why do all the fun topics like horseporn start up when I go to sleep?!
22:55	TheNewDeal	does anyone have any intel on who created the WTI bet / why?
22:57	bitcoinpete	!up CryptoConsultor
22:58	bitcoinpete	CryptoConsultor: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wot_and_reputation
22:58	assbot	wot_and_reputation [bitcoin assets wiki]
22:58	CryptoConsultor	Right awn. Thanks
22:58	CryptoConsultor	Fresh meat in the house
22:59	bitcoinpete	i met CryptoConsultor at our local meet-up the other week and he asked for a q&a… naturally i brought him here
22:59	bitcoinpete	lol yup
22:59	bitcoinpete	so shoot away
23:00	CryptoConsultor	Feels good to jump on IRC again. It's been a while
23:00	TheNewDeal	bitcoinpete you liking the looks of your Bastille Day purchase?
23:01	bitcoinpete	TheNewDeal: more and more :D
23:01	bitcoinpete	;;bc,stats
23:01	gribble	Current Blocks: 304590 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1841 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 23 hours, 9 minutes, and 17 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11836591652.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.68081
23:01	TheNewDeal	.68!!!
23:01	bitcoinpete	ya, it was like 13 this morning
23:02	bitcoinpete	no idea wtf
23:02	bitcoinpete	meh
23:02	dooglus	there's a pending bet on bitbet about Klye's longevity
23:02	TheNewDeal	network has been hashing quite slow since the diff change...
23:02	dooglus	but it's phrased as a disjunction, so I doubt it will b acceptable
23:02	bitcoinpete	dooglus: i read the logs earlier… how does kyle have any longevity left?
23:02	bitcoinpete	dood is toast
23:03	dooglus	he hopes the bet is accepted so he can advise his creditors to vote "o" then top himself
23:03	dooglus	"no"*
23:03	bitcoinpete	TheNewDeal: ya and a bunch of hashpower skipped down like 2 hours before the reset
23:03	bitcoinpete	dooglus: kyle proposed this bet??
23:04	TheNewDeal	mircea_popescu is there a problem with trilema credits? I'm suddenly able to browse quite freely when using my 4G piped through my phone
23:04	bitcoinpete	TheNewDeal: 3g/4g always gives fresh ip addresses me thinks
23:04	bitcoinpete	or something to that effect
23:04	TheNewDeal	ahhh
23:04	bitcoinpete	CryptoConsultor: you getting wotted up?
23:06	bitcoinpete	Apocalyptic:hum, so clueless wannabe investor's pool hasn't dried up yet << but it's shrivelling like a salted slug
23:06	CryptoConsultor	digesting WoT info now
23:07	CryptoConsultor	So your assbot can cryptokey your Ident?
23:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0765 = 0.153 BTC [+]
23:08	bitcoinpete	gribble does that
23:08	bitcoinpete	assbot is for voice
23:09	bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: wait, just like germany ? << lulz it's a new trend!
23:10	dooglus	bitcoinpete: I don't think so
23:10	CryptoConsultor	i see. you find bitcoin info loaded more on freenet servers?
23:10	CryptoConsultor	My old running ground was EFnet
23:11	CryptoConsultor	definatly feel a bit rusty with my web skillz. Industrial work has made me soft
23:11	bitcoinpete	dooglus: a misunderstood then. either way, betting on that kid is as sensical as that kid's betting
23:11	bitcoinpete	CryptoConsultor: well spend 6 months reading logs here and derusting and you'll be good as new
23:13	CryptoConsultor	so much to digest already. you place this place highest in priority?
23:14	CryptoConsultor	should have just started here dangit
23:15	CryptoConsultor	feelin so left out of the last 3 fun years
23:15	bitcoinpete	yup, no higher priority than right here
23:15	bitcoinpete	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDJovyJ5zXk
23:15	assbot	Tony Bennett & Bill Evans - Young And Foolish - YouTube
23:17	CryptoConsultor	It's rough these days to find the time to be the grand lurker I used to be
23:18	bitcoinpete	fluffypony: PS. I'm valuing my next company at $1 billion despite it having accomplished very little and/or nothing << what were we gonna ipo again? iWalletBackup inspired by usagi?
23:18	bitcoinpete	CryptoConsultor: i hear ya but there's no other way
23:18	bitcoinpete	it's 2-3 hours per day
23:18	bitcoinpete	every day
23:19	CryptoConsultor	That's tough to find as a single dad with 2 careers
23:19	bitcoinpete	mike_c:are you fking kidding me. halep in the finals?? << against the blonde bomber!
23:19	bitcoinpete	CryptoConsultor: i bet man
23:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1791 @ 0.00085257 = 1.527 BTC [-] {2}
23:20	bitcoinpete	well, at least you can outsource some of the research to me :D
23:20	CryptoConsultor	If I can navigate these crtpto waters I should hopefully phase out my industrial life
23:20	CryptoConsultor	I miss tech land
23:21	CryptoConsultor	You got your start here before the madness?
23:22	bitcoinpete	i started reading logs in december last year
23:22	bitcoinpete	just about… 6 months ago
23:22	bitcoinpete	and the yeshiva doesn't end there
23:22	bitcoinpete	;;google bitcoinpete irc yeshiva
23:22	gribble	Bitcoin Pete (bitcoinpete) on Twitter: <https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete>; IRC Yeshiva | When Bitcoin Met Pete: <http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/03/17/irc-yeshiva/>; Biting Into The WoT Elephant (And IRC Nicknames) | When Bitcoin ...: <http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/03/31/biting-into-the-wot-elephant-and-irc-nicknames/>
23:25	bitcoinpete	took me 8 months or so to find this place for realz
23:25	bitcoinpete	i found trilema right quick, but it was so far over my head that it took almost a year of reading it and many other books to come to terms with it.
23:26	CryptoConsultor	You run with any crews before then?
23:27	CryptoConsultor	I spent many years reading logs back in the days before Napster
23:27	CryptoConsultor	Fond memories of a mispent youth
23:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.29744651 = 5.9489 BTC [+] {6}
23:29	benkay	CryptoConsultor: are you a cryptographic consultant?
23:29	bitcoinpete	other_mp: you should see the jewish section btw.>> like so? http://wander-argentina.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/WA-jewsinba-kosherMcDs.jpg
23:29	TheNewDeal	he cries and pees to consultors
23:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07493514 = 0.7494 BTC [-]
23:33	bitcoinpete	!up CryptoConsultor
23:33	bitcoinpete	CryptoConsultor: i wasn't on irc prior to being here. i was on twitter and local meet-ups mostly
23:33	CryptoConsultor	My crypto career is a work in progress. But ya I've had some Computer Security jobs in the past
23:34	benkay	what kind of crypto career are you building?
23:36	CryptoConsultor	Well I hope to transition my old school internet EDU into this new crypto blockchaining fun
23:37	CryptoConsultor	I'm a bit late to the party
23:38	bitcoinpete	mike_c: if you have identified a small set of awesome investments, why would you put money in something else that is worse? << let them eat cake!
23:38	bitcoinpete	CryptoConsultor: as always, the best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago
23:38	bitcoinpete	the second best time is now
23:39	bitcoinpete	you're not competing with ideal, just reality
23:39	mike_c	the blonde bomber better win
23:39	CryptoConsultor	yea I'm not hung up on missing any boat
23:39	bitcoinpete	mike_c: i have little doubt she will
23:40	mike_c	what is this klye bet you're talking about?
23:40	CryptoConsultor	I'm working really hard to devolop forward momentum
23:40	bitcoinpete	mike_c: not entirely clear, dooglus seems to know tho
23:41	CryptoConsultor	!facts
23:41	bitcoinpete	CryptoConsultor: being here so soon puts you miles ahead of the redditards and coindeskers
23:41	bitcoinpete	and they've been derping for… ever
23:41	CryptoConsultor	I noticed you had some sharp words for the coindeskers
23:41	bitcoinpete	eh they're not that special
23:42	bitcoinpete	i have sharp words for a lot of people lol
23:42	CryptoConsultor	you favor any news sources out there?
23:42	CryptoConsultor	you don't like the podcast crowd either eh?
23:42	TheNewDeal	mike_c looked like there is a proposed bet on kyle dying?
23:43	bitcoinpete	maidsafe, circle, twobitidiot, core devs, seamonster, usa, central banks...
23:43	TheNewDeal	"Mr Kyle lost Kylemax IPO funds, will he be dead or alive in 8 months?"
23:43	bitcoinpete	TheNewDeal: lmao!
23:43	TheNewDeal	klye*
23:43	bitcoinpete	CryptoConsultor: oh yea, andreas too
23:44	mike_c	ah, proposed
23:44	TheNewDeal	I'm confused why the Kevin Love bet didn't succeed after reading news about him possibly being transferred. Concerned MN native
23:44	bitcoinpete	well intentioned though they may be, they do harm to themselves and those who pray at their fucktarded feet
23:45	bitcoinpete	there's some room for compassion in this world but there's also room for being smart and not losing money
23:47	CryptoConsultor	You'd say that you've done "well" in this game so far?
23:48	CryptoConsultor	You got your hands on coins before the crazyness?
23:48	TheNewDeal	mircea_popescu UStardianism is most definitely a religion, and it's virtually synonymous with christianity
23:49	bitcoinpete	CryptoConsultor: well enough
23:50	bitcoinpete	when "1 inmueble goes for 1 btc" even better
23:50	CryptoConsultor	right awn. I've got happy results even being late to the game
23:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.01980019 = 0.198 BTC [-]
23:51	CryptoConsultor	Edm activity been picking up this last run?
23:51	TheNewDeal	bitcoinpete, haven't you hit some hard times in bitcoin as well?
23:52	bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: who was hating on religion earlier ? << danielpbarron, who should also scope out http://econjwatch.org/file_download/822/ReadTalebMay2014.pdf
23:52	bitcoinpete	TheNewDeal: such as… ?
23:52	bitcoinpete	CryptoConsultor: less than the oct/nov run
23:53	CryptoConsultor	You got roots in finance?
23:54	benkay	<CryptoConsultor> Well I hope to transition my old school internet EDU into this new crypto blockchaining fun // pardon me, EDU?
23:54	TheNewDeal	maybe I'm thinking of someone else. There was somebody that MP forced writing some GPG signed apology letter / explanation of some really crockety bitcoin stock endeavour
23:55	CryptoConsultor	My first round of Post Secondary school was many many years ago. We learned to txt edit HTML. So yea I got old rusty skills.
23:56	bitcoinpete	TheNewDeal: lol def someone else
23:56	bitcoinpete	first i've heard of a gpg signed apology letter
23:56	CryptoConsultor	I explained to pete that I was once many years ago an active IRC junkie/web coder and then shifted out of web work for industrial paycheques
23:57	CryptoConsultor	this world feels alien to me now. gotta bruch up some old cob webs in the head
23:58	bitcoinpete	CryptoConsultor: been playing with tech stocks for about 15 years, did some lending and gambling as a kid, then started reading taleb and others about 4 years ago and here we are

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