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00:00 CryptoConsultor you got post secondary ed before then?
00:01 CryptoConsultor I did a few years at NAIT, but IRC taught me more then any classroom
00:02 benkay CryptoConsultor: what pays the bills for you now?
00:02 benkay what is this 'industrial' you mention - word means a lot of things in a lot of contexts.
00:02 CryptoConsultor Industrial Electrician with specialty in PLC work
00:02 benkay ah ha
00:02 benkay production line installations and programming etc?
00:02 CryptoConsultor Industrial - Mining
00:03 benkay gotcha
00:03 CryptoConsultor Yea automated coal processing plant and Diesel Electric drive controls
00:03 benkay so what do you plan to do with yourself in btc?
00:04 bitcoinpete !up CryptoConsultor
00:04 CryptoConsultor I gotta work out this gribble stuff to keep my voice eh?
00:04 CryptoConsultor BTC has captured my soul and I am now it's slave for life
00:04 benkay great attitude lol
00:05 CryptoConsultor If you know my background you'd say it was unavoidable
00:06 CryptoConsultor I'm pretty good at anaylizing complex systems
00:07 CryptoConsultor And this stuff give me a huge nerdgasm
00:07 CryptoConsultor It gets my nerdglaze all over the place
00:07 bitcoinpete lol
00:08 CryptoConsultor I was stunned when I went to the Calgary Comic Convention and NOBODY was talkin Bitcoin
00:08 CryptoConsultor I'm gonna change that
00:08 CryptoConsultor My nerd brethren let me down
00:08 bitcoinpete comicers like their little imaginary boxes
00:08 bitcoinpete finance is to real
00:08 TheNewDeal they are the yesternerds
00:08 CryptoConsultor they sure gave up on computer science
00:09 bitcoinpete they're nerds, we're geeks
00:09 bitcoinpete geeks can function in the real world
00:09 CryptoConsultor well if I have to set up in convention center I will. they seem the best crowd to jump on the bandwagon next
00:09 bitcoinpete and more than function, geeks can own the world
00:09 CryptoConsultor I'm well aware of that
00:10 bitcoinpete comicnerds aren't the next anything
00:10 bitcoinpete bitcoin is going to the upper crust and/or making its own
00:11 CryptoConsultor Your attention on wall street pretty hard?
00:11 bitcoinpete my attention is here and needn't be elsewhere
00:12 bitcoinpete it's wall street's attention that will follow
00:12 CryptoConsultor You guys notice when their movements with ease?
00:13 CryptoConsultor Well let's back up first...
00:13 TheNewDeal did I understand this correctly that the namecoin network hashrate is sitting at about half that of the bitcoin network?
00:13 bitcoinpete asciilifeform: cat experts, chime in - can the animal tunnel << gonna say no
00:14 mike_c TheNewDeal: mergemining
00:14 CryptoConsultor gotta grab a quick refill
00:14 TheNewDeal I understand that it is mergmined, but the fact that a coin is mergmined does not guarantee anyone considers it worth mining, no?
00:15 bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: it is better to be stupid and appear stupid than to be stupid and appear a ceo. << à la kyle
00:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 216 @ 0.003001 = 0.6482 BTC [-]
00:16 mike_c TheNewDeal: true.. but i am seeing the same numbers as you. 45 ph/s
00:16 bitcoinpete TheNewDeal: 45.239 Phash/s… but how?
00:16 TheNewDeal methinks that people must believe it is worth mining
00:16 TheNewDeal judging by the numbers, half as worthy
00:17 CryptoConsultor isn't namecoin tied to decentralized DNS?
00:18 CryptoConsultor or do I got wires crossed?
00:20 bitcoinpete CryptoConsultor: pretty mucho
00:20 TheNewDeal they are crossed correctly
00:20 bitcoinpete there's a fantastically intense couple's fight going on in the apartment next door
00:20 TheNewDeal I'm actually just beginning to read about it now, after it being mentioned yeshterday in the lawgs
00:21 bitcoinpete these late 19th century brick buildings don't shield sound like newer ones
00:21 TheNewDeal if you swoop in at the right time, you could get some revenge sex
00:22 peterl TheNewDeal: I think it was me you are thinking of with the gpg signed letter
00:22 CryptoConsultor I can ident on gribble with a bitcoin address too?
00:22 TheNewDeal ahh, so few petes, so easy to confuse
00:23 bitcoinpete peterl: right!
00:23 peterl hey, I'm peter, he is pete
00:23 bitcoinpete forgot about that...
00:23 bitcoinpete lol
00:23 TheNewDeal they're all petes to me
00:23 bitcoinpete CryptoConsultor: myeah
00:23 peterl and MP did not force me to write it, he just made a friendly suggestion
00:24 TheNewDeal half of what I say is gibberish, and must be taken for granted
00:24 TheNewDeal bc, stats
00:24 cazalla almost all of you are named either peter or paul
00:25 TheNewDeal ;;bc,stats
00:25 gribble Current Blocks: 304597 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1834 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 21 hours, 58 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11643866275.9 | Estimated Percent Change: -0.95849
00:25 TheNewDeal oh my gribbles this has been a slow start to the diff change
00:26 peterl cazalla: don't forget the marys
00:26 peterl isn't there a bitbet about difficulty dropping?
00:26 TheNewDeal I'm going to put out TheNewDeal's current prediction of 6.9% increase
00:26 cazalla i think you mean marie but i get confused myself
00:27 bitcoinpete []bot: Bet created: "Lewis Hamilton to win 2014 F1 World Champion" http://bitbet.us/bet/888/ << pretty much no other choices
00:27 assbot BitBet - Lewis Hamilton to win 2014 F1 World Champion :: 0.06 B (60%) on Yes, 0.04 B (40%) on No | closing in 5 months 2 weeks | weight: 99`893 (100`000 to 1)
00:27 TheNewDeal yes and it pays out 1.32 at 1 BTC with a timeweight of only 6,000
00:28 TheNewDeal but you would be betting basically that one of the next two diff changes is going to be negative
00:29 TheNewDeal crawling over bitbets is my second job
00:30 bitcoinpete ok, i'm crashing
00:30 bitcoinpete thanks for dropping by CryptoConsultor
00:30 CryptoConsultor Yea cheers pete
00:31 CryptoConsultor I'll keep reading up on this gribble guy. He's a lot more fancy than the eggbots I used to know
00:31 CryptoConsultor Thanks for the invite too
00:32 TheNewDeal gribble's a boss, but he's notorious for underpredicting diff increases
00:33 TheNewDeal ;;rate gribble 1 notorious for underpredicting difficulty increases
00:33 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user gribble has been recorded.
00:35 peterl !up CryptoConsultor
00:37 CryptoConsultor ok I think I got reg with gribble now. Is that assbot going to stop -v me?
00:37 mike_c ;;ident CryptoConsultor
00:37 gribble Nick 'CryptoConsultor', with hostmask 'CryptoConsultor!~Hoodmin@S0106000f66a91966.hn.shawcable.net', is not identified.
00:38 peterl you also have to be in assbot's L2 trust to voice yourself
00:38 peterl ;;gettrust assbot CryptoConsultor
00:38 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user CryptoConsultor: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=CryptoConsultor | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=CryptoConsultor | Rated since: never
00:38 CryptoConsultor hmmm
00:39 BingoBoingo dooglus: I assumed you paid him as he claimed, because soon afterwards his confessional went missing (Kingofsports that is)
00:44 BingoBoingo CryptoConsultor: Probably part of the reason is that gribble isn't an eggbot, forked supybot
00:45 BingoBoingo !up Vexual
00:45 dooglus BingoBoingo: I don't remember, but I don't think i would have given him anything
00:46 dooglus BingoBoingo: I published his piece on the blog, and allowed him to put up a donation address
00:46 BingoBoingo dooglus: His confessional may have mentioned Deb instead. I only remember the matter because I at one point sold him some single bitcoins until he got pissy I wouldn't sell him tens and send first at the same time.
00:49 dooglus http://just-dice.blogspot.ca/2014/01/gambling-addiction-kos.html
00:49 assbot Just-News @ Just-Dice: Gambling Addiction - KOS
00:51 dooglus assbot: that'll be 1 mBTC for reading that post please ;)
00:51 Vexual now theres a man who knows how to gamble
00:51 mircea_popescu <TheNewDeal> does anyone have any intel on who created the WTI bet / why? << intel ?
00:52 Vexual gambling rehab should teach mathematics
00:52 dooglus and paragraphs
00:54 mircea_popescu isnt .1 cent a bit expoensive ?
00:55 peterl expensive for what?
00:56 mircea_popescu for assbot
00:56 mircea_popescu bitcoinpete:
00:56 mircea_popescu other_mp: you should see the jewish section btw.>> like so? http://wander-argentina.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/WA-jewsinba-kosherMcDs.jpg << nah, like 1930 warsaw.
00:56 peterl does assbot pay for trilema credits?
00:57 Vexual no, the header is free
00:57 peterl MP gives head for free?
00:57 mircea_popescu mike_c: the blonde bomber better win << don't hate halep just because she is young and eager and in better shape and scrappy
00:57 mircea_popescu and going to win
00:58 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal: "Mr Kyle lost Kylemax IPO funds, will he be dead or alive in 8 months?" << that ain't gonna work.
00:58 Vexual id hope not
00:59 asciilifeform mike_c: you couldn't find one example of ascii promoting s.nsa shares << well, let's be fair, i never said 'don't do it' - hence, wagen.
01:00 asciilifeform decimation: GHz 7400 parts: ECL?
01:00 asciilifeform decimation: ECL easily gives you 50-80 GHz
01:00 asciilifeform decimation: no exotic chemistries, either - ordinary Si.
01:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 were you going for norway << that was diametric
01:01 mircea_popescu aok
01:01 mircea_popescu !up jborkl
01:01 mircea_popescu well so ave him read taleb
01:02 jborkl Thank you
01:03 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal: did I understand this correctly that the namecoin network hashrate is sitting at about half that of the bitcoin network? < it's mergemined
01:03 mircea_popescu the correct construction is that "about half bitcoin miners also merge namecoin"
01:03 jborkl That sounds correct
01:06 asciilifeform Vexual: gambling rehab should teach mathematics << what'll they teach in mathematics rehab ?
01:07 mircea_popescu how to chase skirts.
01:08 peterl didn't John Nash have a big breakthrough in math while chasing skirts?
01:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0764989 = 0.3825 BTC [+]
01:08 asciilifeform peterl: in the american film, where he was straight
01:09 peterl what, you mean the film does not stay true to the original story? I'm shocked /sarcasm
01:11 mircea_popescu anyway, that's all for me. tomorrow!
01:11 jborkl Mircea if you have not been by the site lately. I just finished the diff calculator.
01:12 jborkl And a whole bunch of other shit
01:13 decimation asciilifeform: yeah I forgot about ECL. The point is, discrete logic need not be slow. However, at high speeds propagation delay is going to be a serious issue, which implies distributed clockless dataflow design.
01:15 asciilifeform decimation: which is why the 'real fun' would be muller's 'c-gate', which doesn't care about delay
01:16 asciilifeform and needs no clock
01:17 asciilifeform 'How long can something be held as wrong before its practice is discontinued? A long, very long time, much longer than we think.' << from mp's taleb page. in our case, synchronous logic.
01:17 asciilifeform it's just braindamaged.
01:17 asciilifeform c-gate is known since '58.
01:17 asciilifeform (no, not a typo)
01:18 * asciilifeform off to bed
01:21 decimation mircea_popescu: Have you seen propaganda related to the Falklands war? It's my understanding that the AR gov't uses it to stir up the masses
01:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 22 @ 0.02599264 = 0.5718 BTC [-] {4}
01:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07573307 = 0.3787 BTC [-]
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02:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 57 @ 0.01981674 = 1.1296 BTC [+] {2}
02:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 27 @ 0.0238 = 0.6426 BTC [-]
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03:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.29 BTC [-]
03:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00253969 = 0.254 BTC [+]
03:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.29 = 1.16 BTC [-]
03:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.28600498 BTC [-]
03:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17105 @ 0.00085348 = 14.5988 BTC [+]
03:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00253995 = 0.254 BTC [+] {2}
03:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07648301 = 0.2294 BTC [-]
03:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07648302 = 0.4589 BTC [+] {2}
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04:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07461028 = 1.0445 BTC [-] {2}
04:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.29 = 2.61 BTC [+]
04:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.29 BTC [+]
05:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00085346 = 10.3269 BTC [-]
05:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.02392685 = 0.1675 BTC [+] {4}
05:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07431252 = 0.5202 BTC [-]
05:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0258 = 0.1032 BTC [-]
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06:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0743 = 0.5201 BTC [-]
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06:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00085292 = 20.1289 BTC [-] {2}
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06:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.074 = 0.444 BTC [-]
06:56 dub so much trollin in the btc
07:02 fluffypony http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/27iyhl/remember_the_guy_who_gambled_5025_btc_away_1_week/
07:02 assbot Remember the guy who gambled 50.25 BTC away 1 week ago? : Bitcoin
07:02 fluffypony man
07:02 fluffypony that is so sad
07:02 fluffypony that dude needs help stat
07:02 fluffypony dooglus: can't you set it up so that when he logs in again to JD it does a 301 to some gambler's anonymous service?
07:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.00085216 = 23.8179 BTC [-] {4}
07:10 dub help is only a bullet away
07:11 cazalla how would that stop them gambling
07:12 cazalla they had an inquiry on gambling addiction here in australia due to all the degenerates spending their kids lunch money on poker machines
07:12 cazalla result was counselling was a waste of time and money
07:15 fluffypony cazalla: I dunno, I've never known anyone in that situation, so I'm not sure how you stop them
07:16 fluffypony besides a swift kick to the balls every time they want to gamble
07:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07399999 = 0.148 BTC [-]
07:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.0742654 = 1.1882 BTC [+]
07:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.0201997 = 0.2828 BTC [+]
07:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.02736326 = 2.7363 BTC [+] {5}
07:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07461733 = 1.4923 BTC [+] {6}
07:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.074699 = 0.1494 BTC [+] {2}
07:55 fluffypony usagi responds to the video clip: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631605.msg7178946#msg7178946
07:55 assbot BMF has lost access to it's wallet [UnModerated]
07:57 pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600628.msg7161926#msg7161926
07:57 assbot BitcoinBourse: the biggest scam in Bitcoin securities today
07:58 fluffypony "@fluffyponny @jurov @davout @pankkake please stay out now from this postings, everyone know now that only 4 or 5 guys from http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ IRC chat only claims problems with us how sad is that for you guys, do you not have any work in real life? do you only accuse other companies of scam and more, each forum member looks to your profile history can see that the only people accuse others of scam are a small group talking 24
07:58 assbot #bitcoin-assets log
07:58 fluffypony hours in a IRC chat and think about who is next they can accuse of shit things! Poor very poor!"
07:58 fluffypony lol!
07:59 pankkake this is actually accurate. but after all, most things are a scam
08:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16543 @ 0.00085078 = 14.0745 BTC [-]
08:07 kakobrekla tbh i dont think he knows he is scamming
08:08 pankkake I have a wide definition of scam :) claiming competence while you don't have it = scam
08:15 danielpbarron how sad is that for you guys, do you not have any work in real life? do you only accuse other companies of scam and more << the false teachers make an identical claim; not much difference when it comes to scammers
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08:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 152 @ 0.00248735 = 0.3781 BTC [-] {6}
08:33 pankkake http://www.coindesk.com/central-bankers-digital-money-institution-control/
08:33 assbot Central Bankers Argue Digital Currency Requires Institutional Control
08:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 125 @ 0.0024 = 0.3 BTC [-] {2}
08:44 Apocalyptic heh
08:46 Apocalyptic "Instead, they posit that central banks could issue their own digital currencies that would benefit from the institutional backing of a central bank"
08:46 Apocalyptic missed the entire point, sadly
08:47 pankkake it's the coindesk/reddit thinking that bitcoin is only about payments, forgetting the digital gold
08:49 fluffypony ;;gettrust frankenmint
08:49 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user fluffypony to user frankenmint: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=fluffypony&dest=frankenmint | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=frankenmint | Rated since: never
08:49 fluffypony ;;rate frankenmint 1 OpenRigs customer, and newly appointed /r/bitcoin mod
08:50 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user frankenmint has been recorded.
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09:34 mircea_popescu decimation: mircea_popescu: Have you seen propaganda related to the Falklands war? It's my understanding that the AR gov't uses it to stir up the masses << english propaganda is generally not to be taken seriously.
09:34 mircea_popescu there's genuine anti english sentiment here, much like there's genuine anti-muslim and anti-indian sentiment in the uk.
09:35 mircea_popescu the governments generally do the best practicable to manage it, the opposition generally accuse the government of pandering
09:35 mircea_popescu then pander when in power.
09:36 mircea_popescu fluffypony: dooglus: can't you set it up so that when he logs in again to JD it does a 301 to some gambler's anonymous service? << what's that to help ?
09:36 fluffypony mircea_popescu: I feel bad for the guy
09:36 mircea_popescu soyou do. so do i. like so : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2014#705595
09:36 assbot #bitcoin-assets log
09:36 fluffypony lol Usagi - "You are not capable of doing work on the projects I am working on -- you're not qualified."
09:37 mircea_popescu the vacant stare of the parents, or in other words " the worst thing that could ever have happened to your children is having met you."
09:38 mircea_popescu anyway, *you* don't stop them. you just stop your wife and children from being thesort of retards, and then make *them* live in the most abject conditions available.
09:39 fluffypony agreed
09:40 mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600628.msg7166799#msg7166799 << lol
09:40 assbot BitcoinBourse: the biggest scam in Bitcoin securities today
09:40 fluffypony mircea_popescu: what's even better is that Usagi quoted BitcoinBourse as a defence
09:40 mircea_popescu "only four or five people that happen to matter in btc finance say im a scammer, because the rest can't be bothered, and so please ignore everything bad you ever hear (about me)"
09:40 mircea_popescu next post, anon guy "fu you owe me money since last year"
09:40 mircea_popescu so much win.
09:41 mircea_popescu kakobrekla: tbh i dont think he knows he is scamming << seems credible.
09:42 mircea_popescu Apocalyptic:
09:42 mircea_popescu "Instead, they posit that central banks could issue their own digital currencies that would benefit from the institutional backing of a central bank" <<< in the dreamland they inhabit, where saying makes it so, central bankers can issue currencies which will matter because they say so, and the sec can matter because it's the sec and nobody has to cut a deal with me first or anything.
09:42 mircea_popescu should be fun to see how this works out in the end.
09:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11877 @ 0.00085348 = 10.1368 BTC [+]
09:46 fluffypony pankkake: I don't get "13991b1bd4d0c6f1c77954128922cb80bda602a7e8c893772e321dd6d6fdfba2"
09:46 fluffypony (just saw it now)
09:47 pankkake no real reason, it's a hash of the old post contents
09:47 fluffypony ah ok
09:48 pankkake ;;view
09:48 gribble Error: Too many orders to list on IRC. Visit http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php?nick=pankkake to see the list of matching orders.
09:48 pankkake lol
09:49 pankkake ;;view 20705
09:49 gribble #20705 Sat Jun 7 07:18:31 2014 pankkake SELL 1.0 Bitcointalk script @ 0.1337 BTC (Script to remove or mass edit your bitcointalk posts, comes with unlimited support or can run it for you)
09:49 fluffypony but they stay on bitcointa.lk forever
09:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00085232 = 14.1485 BTC [-] {3}
09:50 pankkake yes, which isn't bad at all
09:51 mircea_popescu pankkake expensive no ?
09:51 mircea_popescu .1337 is more thanthe entire forum software costs
09:52 fluffypony wtf
09:52 fluffypony http://i.imgur.com/5eOn0qq.jpg
09:52 fluffypony does that take you to the image directly
09:52 fluffypony or to the imgur page?
09:52 mircea_popescu image
09:52 Apocalyptic image
09:52 fluffypony that's bizarre
09:52 pankkake price is based on my support time costs
09:53 fluffypony not working here
09:53 mircea_popescu who's chinny ? :D
09:53 fluffypony oh weird - works in Opera, but not in Firefox or Safari
09:53 fluffypony mircea_popescu: wife - if you zoom in you see your messages on IRC
09:53 fluffypony you're in blue
09:53 mircea_popescu im just trying to bother her :D
09:54 fluffypony heh heh
09:54 pankkake there seems to be no rule of editing old posts on .lk either by the way. so if interested, I can write it too
09:54 mircea_popescu pankkake forums are kinda doomed imo.
09:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0747 = 0.2241 BTC [+]
10:10 mircea_popescu https://bitcointa.lk/?topic=553092.msg6880213
10:10 assbot MPEx owner in danger of being extradited to US to face charges | Page 9 | Bitcointa.lk
10:10 mircea_popescu they are however quite lulzy.
10:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2767 = 0.5534 BTC [-]
10:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00239829 = 0.4797 BTC [-]
10:13 pankkake https://bitcointa.lk/threads/bmf-has-lost-access-to-its-wallet-unmoderated.321563/page-4#post-6841528 he deleted this post.
10:13 assbot BMF has lost access to it's wallet [UNMODERATED] | Page 4 | Bitcointa.lk
10:14 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
10:14 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 653.5, Best ask: 655.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.50000, Last trade: 653.5, 24 hour volume: 8869.22193161, 24 hour low: 635.88, 24 hour high: 662.0, 24 hour vwap: 0
10:16 fluffypony pankkake: what's he talking about?
10:17 pankkake interestingly the only one I accused of deleting posts was Goat
10:17 mircea_popescu not much of an accusation that
10:17 mircea_popescu pankkake what purpose do you suppose adding a hash serves ?
10:17 mircea_popescu he whocan modify the post can modify the hash
10:18 mircea_popescu proper solution would be to make a gpg key for the forum and sign everything
10:18 mircea_popescu sorta like proper mailing lists work
10:18 pankkake the main purpose is that people wonder what it is :D
10:18 mircea_popescu aok
10:19 mircea_popescu https://bitcointa.lk/threads/bmf-has-lost-access-to-its-wallet-unmoderated.321563/page-4#post-6818061
10:19 assbot BMF has lost access to it's wallet [UNMODERATED] | Page 4 | Bitcointa.lk
10:19 mircea_popescu epic shit.
10:19 mircea_popescu Sydboy said: ↑ What does it feel like to be so stupid you lose money, or other people money ?usagi : I don't know.
10:19 pankkake the few posts of Goat that were archived show how much he trusted pirate wasn't a ponzi. If you're looking for lulz.
10:19 fluffypony mircea_popescu: I think Usagi threatened him and he backed down
10:19 pankkake and many other guys that have nice great trust and VIP status
10:20 pankkake green*
10:20 fluffypony he's suddenly apologised for being so mean or whatever
10:20 mircea_popescu pankkake well i was there, i remember it.
10:20 mircea_popescu the sec is too bitchy to work towards actually putting the guilty in the can tho.
10:21 mircea_popescu better waste time/taxpayer money on idle pretense.
10:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00085073 = 12.4207 BTC [-] {2}
10:27 Apocalyptic !up deanclkclk
10:27 Apocalyptic !up deanclkclk
10:27 deanclkclk hmm
10:27 Apocalyptic deanclkclk, you have to be voiced to talk
10:27 deanclkclk ok what was wrong before?
10:27 deanclkclk @ Apocalyptic
10:28 Apocalyptic noting, you need someone to give you voice
10:28 Apocalyptic *nothing
10:28 deanclkclk ok thx
10:28 Apocalyptic unless you're in assbot's L2 trust
10:28 mircea_popescu it won't last either
10:28 deanclkclk lol
10:28 deanclkclk nope
10:28 mircea_popescu !up Swadq
10:28 Swadq Thanks :o
10:28 mircea_popescu yw.
10:28 deanclkclk so I'm in the process of setting up a crypto exchange in the Caribbean
10:28 deanclkclk i need some advice
10:28 mircea_popescu what, without a wot ?
10:29 pankkake fiat/btc?
10:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.27671344 BTC [+]
10:30 deanclkclk fiat trading currencies are USD, CAD, Bahamian Dollar, Trinidad Dollar and Jamaican Dollar
10:30 deanclkclk BTC and LTC
10:31 deanclkclk I'm trying to go through OKPay system for my setup but, they are extremely slow. Anyone knows of an alternative payment processor which gives an Bank Account for wire transfer?
10:32 deanclkclk and also...how can I get trusted by the community ?
10:33 deanclkclk I am aware that there is a trust issue going on here with most exchanges
10:33 mircea_popescu a) get in the wot ; b) spend the next half year to a year reading hte logs
10:33 mircea_popescu by then you'll be trusted
10:33 deanclkclk in case anyone is interested and want to know the services I offer...feel free to ask
10:33 deanclkclk ok
10:34 pankkake http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wot_and_reputation
10:34 assbot wot_and_reputation [bitcoin assets wiki]
10:39 pankkake "We learn the most from our mistakes (myself included!)"
10:40 mircea_popescu ;;notes
10:40 gribble I currently have notes waiting for agentx24, anarkitty, bakinat, bcb, bitcoingirl, cevidad, congrats, hydruid, Immukization, Immuzikkation, jmcorgan, jtrunerbtc, kyledrake, MurphyLawn, nubbins, nubbins`i, Phinnaeus, and ryepdx.
10:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.27671344 = 0.5534 BTC [+] {2}
10:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2767 = 0.8301 BTC [-] {2}
10:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 56 @ 0.00231546 = 0.1297 BTC [-] {7}
10:46 pankkake http://www.coindesk.com/how-bitcoin-helps-afghan-girls-achieve-financial-freedom/
10:46 assbot How Bitcoin Helps Afghan Girls Achieve Financial Freedom
10:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.27670064 = 0.5534 BTC [+]
10:52 mircea_popescu for the love of the stupid seed!
10:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.27670054 BTC [-]
10:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2767 = 0.5534 BTC [-]
10:55 pankkake http://torrentfreak.com/how-kim-dotcoms-5m-whistleblower-bounty-will-work-140607/
10:55 assbot How Kim Dotcom's $5m Whistleblower Bounty Will Work | TorrentFreak
10:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0024 = 0.24 BTC [+]
10:56 pankkake http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=5831
10:56 assbot Hoping for the crazy
10:56 deanclkclk question mircea_popescu so I have a WOT account..how does it even work in respect to irc chats?
10:56 deanclkclk you recommended this to me around Nov last year
10:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 73 @ 0.0024 = 0.1752 BTC [+]
10:56 mircea_popescu ;;ident deanclkclk
10:56 gribble Nick 'deanclkclk', with hostmask 'deanclkclk!~deanclkcl@bas10-toronto01-845463865.dsl.bell.ca', is not identified.
10:57 mircea_popescu you identify.
10:57 deanclkclk hmmm
10:59 pankkake !up deanclkclk
10:59 mircea_popescu you ony get it for half hour.
10:59 pankkake !up deanclkclk
10:59 deanclkclk ohh ok
10:59 deanclkclk why so short?
10:59 deanclkclk so yeah you did the ident thing and it said I'm not indentifed?
11:00 mircea_popescu yes.
11:00 deanclkclk but, as I said..I have my WOT account
11:00 mircea_popescu so identify to gribble.
11:00 deanclkclk gribble? an alternative to freenode?
11:00 deanclkclk I identify myself to freenode FYI
11:01 fluffypony deanclkclk: an entirely different set of identifications
11:01 deanclkclk ok so I'm lost
11:01 * fluffypony deanclkclk: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide
11:01 assbot Beginners Guide - bitcoin-otc wiki
11:01 fluffypony start there
11:06 deanclkclk do I need to have a rating to be known by gribble?
11:06 deanclkclk not sure but, I have this account since last nov
11:06 deanclkclk deanclkclk
11:07 pankkake ;;gpg info deanclkclk
11:07 gribble No such user registered.
11:07 deanclkclk wtf girbble??!!!
11:07 pankkake you registered with gribble?
11:08 Apocalyptic probably not, he's talking about the nickserv account
11:08 Apocalyptic -NickServ- Information on deanclkclk (account deanclkclk):
11:08 Apocalyptic -NickServ- Registered : Oct 13 01:14:40 2012 (1 year, 33 weeks, 6 days, 13:53:39 ago)
11:08 Apocalyptic as fluffypony said, this is entirely irrelevant to gribble's auth
11:09 deanclkclk yeah I heard you Apocalyptic https://www.mywot.com/en/signup
11:09 assbot Safe Browsing Tool | WOT (Web of Trust)
11:09 deanclkclk that's were I sign up
11:09 Apocalyptic that's also irrelevant
11:09 deanclkclk where*
11:09 Apocalyptic look at the link fluffypony gave you
11:09 pankkake that's not the same web of trust
11:10 fluffypony LOL
11:10 fluffypony deanclkclk: I sent you a link, follow it and read it.
11:10 deanclkclk no need to laugh at a novice gribble novice fluffypony
11:10 fluffypony I'm laughing that you didn't even bother to open the link and read it
11:11 deanclkclk I did actually but, there's a lot of text..sometimes I glance
11:11 deanclkclk but, yeah I spend the time and read ti
11:11 deanclkclk it
11:11 pankkake http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1631
11:11 assbot Naming and shaming the AGW fraudsters
11:12 deanclkclk by no means I'm a fraud or came here to defraud anyone pankkake
11:12 fluffypony deanclkclk: that link he posted has nothing to do with you
11:12 deanclkclk plus mircea_popescu offerd to vet my code lol
11:13 mircea_popescu i did ?
11:13 deanclkclk did you forget?
11:13 deanclkclk yes you did
11:13 Apocalyptic dat mircea
11:13 pankkake yeah, read the article :D I'm just dumping my daily read
11:13 mircea_popescu link ?
11:13 mircea_popescu more productive than rethorical questioning.
11:13 deanclkclk only if irc is smart enough to log chat between two nicks
11:14 mircea_popescu irc is a network.
11:14 deanclkclk and I am not kidding
11:14 pankkake #bitcoin-assets has public logs
11:15 mircea_popescu pankkake im too lazy to read that, past the chuckle that deanclkclk thought it is about him somehow
11:15 deanclkclk I'll rummage through it one day but, not now. Will get back to you mircea_popescu
11:15 fluffypony maybe he offered to have your code put down at the vote?
11:15 fluffypony *vet
11:15 fluffypony ffs.
11:15 mircea_popescu deanclkclk well as a general rule don't make statements you don't have backing for at the ready.
11:15 mircea_popescu failure usually results in silence, but i guess im in a good mood.
11:15 deanclkclk that is true
11:16 danielpbarron <+deanclkclk> I did actually but, there's a lot of text..sometimes I glance << what BTC address should I throw my money into! Your company sounds amazing!
11:16 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
11:16 deanclkclk thought you would have remember though if I said it
11:16 pankkake mircea_popescu, that's how I feel towards some of your blog posts :)
11:16 fluffypony deanclkclk: I would expect that too - after all, mircea_popescu only has 1 or 2 conversations a year
11:16 mircea_popescu pankkake i can see that :D fluffypony tops.
11:17 deanclkclk danielpbarron: you're free not to throw money at my company
11:19 mircea_popescu ;;google log.bitcoin-assets ibm
11:19 gribble NEXT: 04-02-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log - bitcoin-assets.com: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2014>; Is Bitcoin Going to Change the World? | Banking industry: <http://insights-on-business.com/banking/is-bitcoin-going-to-change-the-world/>; Decentralised Digital Asset Registers – Concepts | Richard Gendal ...: <http://gendal.wordpress.com/2013/11/10/decentralised- (1 more message)
11:19 mircea_popescu ;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets ibm think
11:19 gribble No matches found.
11:19 mircea_popescu eh google you're useless.
11:19 pankkake ;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com ibm think
11:19 gribble NEXT: 10-01-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log - bitcoin-assets.com: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2014&bots=true>; NEXT: 04-02-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log - bitcoin-assets.com: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2014>; NEXT: 17-03-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2014&bots=true>
11:20 deanclkclk if you guys are looking for the log it's found around November-December last year
11:21 deanclkclk but, it started out with a few members here calling me an "fucking idiot"
11:21 deanclkclk lol
11:21 Apocalyptic heh, sounds legit
11:22 davout 'but, it started out with a few members here calling me an "fucking idiot"' <<< surprise surprise
11:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0238 = 0.1666 BTC [-]
11:22 fluffypony I'm truly shocked that anyone here would say such a thing
11:22 fluffypony that certainly doesn't sound eponymous for #bitcoin-assets
11:23 davout ;;later tell mike_c i want a picture of your warface
11:23 gribble The operation succeeded.
11:23 deanclkclk surprised that the responses I've gotten today are anything but, unfriendly
11:23 mircea_popescu so i have survived the largest shock in my adult life.
11:24 mircea_popescu do you know what is remarkable about rubbing alcohol here in buenos aires ? the sort sold in pharmacies ?
11:24 fluffypony mircea_popescu: it's not really alcohol ?
11:24 mircea_popescu it's not DENATURATED.
11:24 deanclkclk ?
11:24 mircea_popescu it's not denaturated to the degree that the label lists as indications : for rubbing,
11:24 mircea_popescu and for making drinks.
11:25 davout !down deanclkclk
11:25 mircea_popescu cromatographically tested too, they say.
11:25 davout mircea_popescu: do you mean you can get a simple chemical without being infantilized away?
11:26 mircea_popescu yes.
11:26 mircea_popescu alcohol, dude! the original fucking statal assholery
11:27 mircea_popescu i mean you could also get it in romania, liter bottles of triple distilled grain alcohol. but in specialist shops.
11:31 punkman yeah pure alcohol is pretty fucking handy
11:32 punkman can get it in supermarkets/pharmacies here, but it costs 9 eur for 250ml now with all the new taxes, ridiculous
11:32 mircea_popescu it's actually a much better (safer) fire starter than gasoline
11:33 punkman I use the denatured stuff for that
11:33 mircea_popescu well that's slightly unhealthy
11:33 punkman which is like 1eur a liter
11:33 punkman why is it unhealthy?
11:34 mircea_popescu i don't recall whatexactly burn product of methylen blue is dubious but there was something
11:34 punkman don't need much if you got kindling, burns off in like a couple seconds
11:34 mircea_popescu don't need any if you got clean alcohol
11:38 punkman they actually label the denatured stuff as "lamp/lighting" alcohol
11:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07457 = 0.2237 BTC [-]
11:48 Naphex sup
11:53 mircea_popescu yo
11:57 mircea_popescu ah i found a good one
11:57 mircea_popescu ;;later tell mike_c http://trilema.com/2012/rationamente-paraeconomice-sau-despre-saracie/ << this is me telling romanians they suck, prolly one of the harshest.
11:57 assbot Rationamente paraeconomice, sau despre saracie pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
11:57 gribble The operation succeeded.
11:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.76322672 BTC to 8`244 shares, 21388 satoshi per share
12:03 Naphex so what is the best cure for rage?
12:03 fluffypony alcohol
12:03 fluffypony at least for me
12:03 Naphex doubt it
12:03 fluffypony I don't get booze-aggressive
12:03 fluffypony I get really mellow and giggly
12:03 Naphex that will turn me on a killing spree
12:03 Naphex lol
12:04 fluffypony lol
12:04 fluffypony Naphex: what's making you rage?
12:04 Naphex women doh! i got everything else on lock lol
12:05 fluffypony oh lordie
12:05 fluffypony chick logic
12:05 Naphex bored in vienna
12:05 Naphex shit weekend
12:06 Naphex j
12:07 fluffypony don't worry
12:07 fluffypony this too shall pass
12:07 pankkake %lb
12:07 pankkake %tslb
12:07 pankkake %lastblock
12:07 danielpbarron <+Naphex> so what is the best cure for rage? << if The Bible ain't your thing, try cannabis
12:07 pankkake %diff
12:08 pankkake okay
12:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0237999 = 0.1904 BTC [-]
12:10 Naphex danielpbarr
12:10 Naphex danielpbarron: only some crappy marocan brown available
12:11 Namworld cannabis wouldn't work for me. I'm kind of relax naturally. Give me anything that alters my mind and I'm no longer going to be happy.
12:11 Naphex and it isnt workin :p
12:11 danielpbarron Naphex, won't find sympathy from me; the cannabis in my local is probably worse
12:11 punkman Naphex: how about a walk
12:12 Namworld Not that it doesn't have any effect, but because anything that alters my mind and makes it hard for me to think clearly tends to enrage me.
12:12 pankkake walks work for me. last time of great stress I walked around for a few hours
12:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.00250616 = 0.2757 BTC [-] {5}
12:14 penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/klye-or-confession-of-a-degenerate-adnotated/
12:14 Namworld Walking is nice. Or cycling. Unless you're downtown in a place with no cycling accomodations. Then no cycling.
12:14 punkman pff cycle accomodations
12:16 punkman can barely keep the streets paved
12:16 mircea_popescu Naphex> doubt it << sex ?
12:16 punkman but it's nice when the 4x4 don't try to run me over
12:16 Namworld I wend to Denmark once... so much cycling space, so few cars.
12:17 Naphex mircea_popescu: yeah going for a drive around vienna
12:17 punkman yeah denmark and the netherlands are rather wonderful for cycling
12:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.27 BTC [-]
12:17 Naphex gonna check it out maybe i fins a nice puff place
12:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.02511077 = 0.2511 BTC [-] {2}
12:18 mircea_popescu anyway, yes, generally speaking physical exhaustion. i guess walking can be the same as a spirited bout of skanko-roman wrestling.
12:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.27 = 0.54 BTC [-]
12:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00085318 = 2.7302 BTC [+]
12:42 Namworld Reading trilema can be fun. Am I the only one who had some actual success trading shoddy shares? Who else in here managed to trade a profit?
12:43 fluffypony Namworld: I'm too scared to even buy in to shoddy shares
12:44 Namworld It's not too bad when you don't hold large amounts over extended period but flip shares on the large price difference.
12:44 Namworld There's not a lot of that since GLBSE/BitFunder/etc tho
12:45 mircea_popescu Namworld a question a little like "am i the only one who won the lottery"
12:45 mircea_popescu prolly not.
12:45 kakobrekla early day of glbse, whatever you put your money in was a winner after a week and a complete lose after two.
12:46 Namworld No, of course, but I only hear of failed funds. Certainly some people in here did it with some kind of success? They're just not as public since investing for themselves. Was looking to hear about any such person.
12:47 Naphex google now sends bitbet updates
12:47 Naphex not bad
12:47 mircea_popescu there's people doing this thing with ponzis (politely known as "hyip") where they send money and try to take it back out before everyone else.
12:47 mircea_popescu amusingly enough, this is actually an offense in the western world.
12:47 kakobrekla yup, except it wasnt a ponzi it was bubblescam
12:47 mircea_popescu Namworld ^ that'd explain to you why they tend to be quiet.
12:47 mircea_popescu always at risk for civil clawback + penal proceedings.
12:48 mircea_popescu "As for substance abuse I'll admit I like to have a few beers, But for the most part I stay off the drugs as of late."
12:48 mircea_popescu epic.
12:49 kakobrekla anyway, people had too much coin at the time
12:49 kakobrekla still do.
12:49 mircea_popescu yeah, but then too much was 5mn
12:49 Namworld I wouldn't mind seeing that.
12:49 mircea_popescu now, too much is 10-50k
12:49 mircea_popescu it'll get shaken out.
12:49 mircea_popescu 99% to 99.8% complete already
12:52 Namworld Too bad I sunk most of those profits into BitVPS which needed servers and everything to no avail. BTC price rose too much afterward.
12:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02369589 = 0.237 BTC [-]
12:59 asciilifeform !up Vexual
12:59 asciilifeform !up Vexual
13:00 Bet placed: 10 BTC for No on "1BTC >= $10,000 USD" http://bitbet.us/bet/635/ Odds: 16(Y):84(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 464.9239018 BTC. Current weight: 46,470.
13:02 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/
13:02 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1120.86 B (86%) on Yes, 186.18 B (14%) on No | closing in 8 months 1 week| weight: 75`215 (100`000 to 1)
13:02 mircea_popescu funny how the wall of no let way to a wall of yes.
13:12 pankkake but that was a "sure win"!
13:14 pankkake Namworld: I had more success trading shit on btctctc than on havecocks
13:16 thestringpuller ;;ticker
13:16 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 652.58, Best ask: 654.3, Bid-ask spread: 1.72000, Last trade: 654.88, 24 hour volume: 8329.40537220, 24 hour low: 635.88, 24 hour high: 660.25, 24 hour vwap: 0
13:16 thestringpuller ;;calc 193000/652
13:16 gribble 296.012269939
13:17 thestringpuller isnt it currently yes?
13:18 FabianB "24 hour vwap: 0"
13:23 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: your cookie shipment is far cheaper now
13:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.27999995 = 7.84 BTC [+] {4}
13:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2799999 = 0.56 BTC [-]
13:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.28 = 0.84 BTC [+]
13:29 thestringpuller !mpif
13:29 assbot BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021714 BTC (Total: 434.28 BTC)
13:29 thestringpuller !ticker m f.mpif
13:29 assbot [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021599 / 0.00021725 (15651 shares, 3.38 BTC), 30D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021709 / 0.00021726 (125310 shares, 27.20 BTC)
13:29 Namworld That's why I say there hasn't been as much good arbitrage opportunity. Havelock ain't much good.
13:30 Namworld Funny thing, arbitrage is normally between 2 markets. For BTC, there's a large price difference on a single market.
13:30 thestringpuller lol
13:31 thestringpuller am1 - am100
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14:31 benkay <deanclkclk> plus mircea_popescu offerd to vet my code lol // that'd have been me.
14:31 Mats_cd03 lol
14:33 benkay or was that dotcoin...
14:39 pankkake I think it was you and him yeah
14:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 18 @ 0.02500205 = 0.45 BTC [-] {2}
14:40 pankkake http://www.istorage-uk.com/documents/iStorage-datashur-User-Guide.pdf <= So, I bought it. full of lulz, at least it's pretty clear you can't trust it against three letter agencies
14:41 pankkake apparently "military grade" is aes-256 cbc, and admin pins are good ideas
14:41 pankkake and silly PIN requirements
14:47 pankkake the most secure part was the package, crappy plastic shell
14:47 fluffypony lol
14:47 pankkake the key itself is nicely built, perfect for a keychain
14:48 pankkake the other secure part is how you need tiny fingers to enter the PIN :)
14:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0198202 = 0.1982 BTC [-]
14:48 pankkake this serves my intended purpose though, making tampering with it harder
14:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07457 = 0.2237 BTC [-] {2}
14:53 Mats_cd03 lol
14:54 Mats_cd03 security through obscurity is a legit layer of defense
14:54 Mats_cd03 i hope its not the only one though
14:54 thestringpuller fluffypony you around?
14:54 fluffypony does the pope wear a funny hat?
14:54 pankkake I don't have anything that is not software encrypted
15:00 fluffypony pankkake: you've been propositioned - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631605.msg7185435#msg7185435
15:00 assbot BMF has lost access to it's wallet [UnModerated]
15:07 Namworld Paint it black too
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15:33 benkay hey tokyopotato
15:33 benkay !up tokyopotato
15:33 tokyopotato hey man, thanks
15:33 benkay figure out the web of trust yet?
15:33 tokyopotato i could use a little help i think
15:34 tokyopotato i tried registering... used multibit wallet address... but gribble wouldn't recognize the authentication
15:35 tokyopotato so, i was going to try it another way
15:35 benkay well i'm having breakfast with a babe atm, so i can't help atm
15:35 benkay later ;_
15:35 tokyopotato cool
15:35 tokyopotato disfrute
15:35 tokyopotato la chica
15:36 tokyopotato y desayuno tambien
15:38 BingoBoingo tokyopotato: Which version of Multibit?
15:38 tokyopotato 0.5.18
15:39 BingoBoingo WHY????
15:39 BingoBoingo 0.5.11 is the last version I can stand, before too many unfeatures got tacked on...
15:39 tokyopotato i really just needed to have a pubkey for the authentication
15:40 BingoBoingo What's so wrong with GPG?
15:40 tokyopotato is that your preferred client?
15:40 tokyopotato oh nm
15:40 tokyopotato lol
15:40 tokyopotato nothing is wrong with GPG
15:40 tokyopotato that's what I have to do now
15:41 tokyopotato GPG4win decent?
15:43 mircea_popescu <pankkake> apparently "military grade" is aes-256 cbc, and admin pins are good ideas << herp
15:43 mircea_popescu zulu military.
15:45 mircea_popescu lmao cryptovest. im waiting for the cryptopants
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15:45 BingoBoingo tokyopotato: If you have an extra hard drive or machine giving a *nix a try might be useful. I've heard a lot of complaints of GPG4win just not... working...
15:46 tokyopotato ya, i do have ubuntu on my other laptop
15:46 tokyopotato k
15:46 mircea_popescu i have no idea where gpg win gets its entropy from
15:47 diametric microsoft
15:47 mircea_popescu srsly.
15:47 mircea_popescu fluffypony Do you have any concept of the moral high ground? You think you've won some kind of game here -- but you have no idea what you lost, do you?
15:47 fluffypony mircea_popescu: I know, right?
15:48 mircea_popescu whenever some wild eye enthusiast extols "free market" to me ima link them to usagi.
15:48 mircea_popescu in a free market anything goes, right ? including that paralyzing nonsense.
15:48 mircea_popescu soon enough the expense of distinguishing becomes prohibitive, and the society is split : the very rich, who can afford freedom
15:48 mircea_popescu and the not rich enough, whoi can enjoy ipads.
15:49 fluffypony "I HAVE SO MANY PLANS. SECRET PLANS. AMAZING BUT HIDDEN PLANS. YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW. YOU. DON'T. EVEN. KNOW. AND YOU COULD'VE HAD A PIECE OF THE ACTION BECAUSE I AM A BENEVOLENT GOD AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU BUT I WOULD HAVE GIVEN YOU A PIECE. AND NOW YOU FUCKED THAT UP. SO SORRY FOR YOU!" - Usagi, 2014
15:49 mircea_popescu that's not the construction i see
15:49 mircea_popescu i suspect it's more like "you show yourself to be a bad person by arguing with usagi"
15:51 fluffypony there's that too
15:51 benkay filter the market with capital barriers, then.
15:52 fluffypony you know how they bitch about smoking and they're like "every pack takes 2 days off your lifespan" ?
15:52 tokyopotato Usagi = Jed McCaleb?
15:52 fluffypony I feel like arguing with Usagi has taken 2 days off my lifespan.
15:52 mircea_popescu nah.
15:52 mircea_popescu !up sedeki
15:53 sedeki thanks
15:53 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: I swear the most useful side effect of recommending a 6 month reading and waiting period is to sort out the fucking Dice addicts. << on the first tier fo sho.
15:57 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: See, I can respect certain kinds of gambling like picky sports betting and BitBet. I can't comprehend people who bet against RNGs though. Seems like the fastest way to provide someone else a steady income.
15:58 mircea_popescu you know im like 10 or 20 btc ahead on jd do you ?
15:58 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Yeah. You bet though tto prove a point.
15:58 mircea_popescu well sure
15:59 BingoBoingo There's a difference between that and the forumer seeking a fortune.
15:59 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Also, sorry about Halp
16:00 BingoBoingo *Halep
16:00 mircea_popescu a shelost ?
16:00 mircea_popescu i been out on the town
16:00 BingoBoingo Looks like it.
16:01 mircea_popescu a well. good show anyway
16:01 BingoBoingo http://bitbet.us/bet/887/billy-hamilton-rookie-of-the-year/ << Can't think of many less likely candidates for that award...
16:01 assbot BitBet - Billy Hamilton Rookie of the Year :: 0.08 B (45%) on Yes, 0.09 B (55%) on No | closing in 5 months 1 day| weight: 99`454 (100`000 to 1)
16:02 BingoBoingo Hamilton excels at the running game, but no one cares about that. Can't hit.
16:02 BingoBoingo Exciting player for sure... Just not in the right way.
16:04 BingoBoingo !up tokyopotato
16:05 tokyopotato ty
16:09 BingoBoingo ;;ticker
16:09 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 653.52, Best ask: 656.16, Bid-ask spread: 2.64000, Last trade: 655.59, 24 hour volume: 6612.05823318, 24 hour low: 635.88, 24 hour high: 656.84, 24 hour vwap: 0
16:09 pankkake fluffypony, this is probably true. force yourself to log out!
16:09 fluffypony lol
16:10 pankkake and accept that some people are beyond saving
16:12 pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=599406.msg7180631#msg7180631 omgizz
16:12 assbot Cryptovest Financial Services (CVFS) Stock IPO 0.5-4% dividends p/m
16:12 davout fluffypony: arguing is only useful if both participants are mature enough to accept that they might have to change their position
16:13 BingoBoingo fluffypony: As someone who argued on the forum for quite some time you are tilting against this sort of inevitability: http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/06/pharmacists/
16:13 assbot Its Time for a Change; Pharmacists Tired of Being the Last Stop in a Patients Day | Medical Satire - GomerBlog
16:13 fluffypony davout: I keep forgetting that I am not worthy to argue with The Great Usagi
16:14 fluffypony ho. lee. fuck.
16:14 fluffypony https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=643298.0
16:14 assbot [EMUNIE] Important Announcement: BTC Theft
16:15 BingoBoingo fluffypony: Seriously this miracle is more ikely http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/03/fibromyalgia-cure/
16:15 assbot Doctor Accidentally Heals Fibromyalgia | Medical Satire - GomerBlog
16:16 fluffypony lol
16:17 pankkake guy can't secure his btc and pretends to create "the next step in cryptographic currency"
16:19 mircea_popescu well sure
16:19 mircea_popescu universally unsecured cyrpto currencies
16:21 mircea_popescu "By that point I imagine internet bounty hunters finding your whereabouts are the least of your worries.
16:21 mircea_popescu Checkmate!
16:21 mircea_popescu You have 2 options:"
16:22 mircea_popescu the forum hath spoken!
16:22 BingoBoingo If you diversify a bit EMunie guy can be Kumala
16:22 mircea_popescu the guy now has two options, including comandeering the idiot's accountand posting his masturbatory selfies
16:22 mircea_popescu wait, 3 options
16:22 mircea_popescu and also the option to send the internet provider a contract cancellation form
16:22 mircea_popescu FOUR OPTIONS
16:23 davout but wait, there's more !
16:23 mircea_popescu internet riding unicorn hunterbunterS!
16:23 davout !up mdev
16:24 mdev thanks
16:24 BingoBoingo !up sedeki
16:24 mdev pankkake> guy can't secure his btc and pretends to create "the next step in cryptographic currency"
16:24 mdev what is that?
16:25 mircea_popescu "What awaits you is an existence where you dare not raise your head above water, for the fear of someone, somewhere waiting with a golden axe. I am a calculated man with resources, who can be cunning when needs to be, and I will use all resources that I have to track you down, and I will start with those gold axe's."
16:25 pankkake mdev: look at the bitcointalk link
16:25 mircea_popescu ahahaha this is kumala and uppity tortilla's son
16:25 mdev http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/03/fibromyalgia-cure/
16:25 assbot Doctor Accidentally Heals Fibromyalgia | Medical Satire - GomerBlog
16:25 mdev ?
16:25 pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=643298.0. his sig
16:25 assbot [EMUNIE] Important Announcement: BTC Theft
16:26 mdev oon after these attacks the assailants gained access to several online services I control, and most certainly had some form of access to 1 or more machines on my home network and also our remote servers.
16:26 mdev i don't get how flooding gives someone access
16:26 mdev makes no sense
16:26 fluffypony pankkake: the "next step" they refer to is "giving everyone access to our funds"
16:27 BingoBoingo mdev: Fibromyalgia is a famous diagnosis of "we can't find anything wrong" that many medical professionals assume to be malingerers and drug seekers.
16:28 mircea_popescu mdev it's the forum. it doesn't have to make sense, words connote feeling and feeling is all ambitious young folk need.
16:28 mdev he's talking about 600 BTC stolen being "spilled milk"
16:28 mdev whatever, that's a trmeendous amont of coins
16:28 mdev over 300k worth
16:29 mircea_popescu a) it's peanuts for an actual business ; b) he never had 100 let alone 600.
16:29 mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=643298.msg7187087#msg7187087 << danielpbarron actually has it.
16:29 assbot [EMUNIE] Important Announcement: BTC Theft
16:29 CheckDavid BingoBoingo: that can only be a joke
16:30 CheckDavid It is right?
16:30 mircea_popescu no, actually, fibromyalgia is non specific pain sundrome
16:30 mircea_popescu so pretty much "guy is either insane, addicted or annyoing"
16:32 fluffypony mdev: 300k of what?
16:33 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Some people with the diagnosis move to actual diagnoses. But yeah, the use of the label makes it worthless.
16:34 mdev $300k
16:34 mdev worth of bitcoins
16:34 mdev he just brushed off like "spilled milk"
16:40 BingoBoingo !up tokyopotato
16:40 tokyopotato ty, almost have pgp setup
16:43 BingoBoingo tokyopotato: Ur welcome
16:43 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot enky
16:43 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user enky: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=enky | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=enky | Rated since: never
16:43 mircea_popescu ;;rate enky 1 FX guy
16:43 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user enky has been recorded.
16:43 fluffypony !up darlidada
16:43 mircea_popescu !up Enky
16:43 mircea_popescu now you can self-voice.
16:44 fluffypony darlidada: you still keen on taking on that #bitcoin-assets synopsis / archiving project?
16:44 Enky Hi, thank you
16:45 mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=76192.msg845180#msg845180
16:45 assbot #bitcoin-assets [GLBSE/MPEX] now or IRC
16:45 mircea_popescu 2 years!
16:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.02699967 = 0.243 BTC [+]
16:47 FabianB ;;isitdown mpex.co
16:47 gribble mpex.co is down
16:48 mircea_popescu it pings...
16:48 mircea_popescu but it dun web anymoar!
16:49 FabianB hm, coinbr proxy works for me
16:50 mircea_popescu a, smartass ddos kid.
16:50 FabianB lol, why are they even still trying?
16:51 fluffypony boredom I suppose
16:51 tokyopotato ill be back later to finish this battle
16:51 mircea_popescu !up grahvity
16:52 mircea_popescu well, kids are born poor but by the time they reach adolescence they become (at least in their estimation) strong.
16:52 mircea_popescu somehow this inequity has to be resolved.
16:52 mircea_popescu this being the long version of "boredom"
16:52 mircea_popescu !up TarMi
16:55 darlidada <+fluffypony> darlidada: you still keen on taking on that #bitcoin-assets synopsis / archiving project? --- yes i'm sitll up for it
16:55 fluffypony ok cool
16:55 mircea_popescu that's a load.
16:55 fluffypony mircea_popescu: I know
16:56 fluffypony he doesn't have 8 hours a day right now, but he'll get there
16:56 fluffypony and I'll fund him till he's done
16:56 mircea_popescu pretty cool
16:56 mircea_popescu darlidada what's your degree in
16:56 mircea_popescu ?
16:56 fluffypony imho the collection of knowledge is worthwhile
16:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31291 @ 0.00085187 = 26.6559 BTC [-] {2}
16:59 darlidada mircea_popescu: i've done 3 years in philosophy so far; a bit of accounting/economy before but i wasnt really into it so i forgot most of it. i'm one of these brain-damaged kids you write about. i'm doing my best to cure myself though
16:59 fluffypony so you cure yourself through accumulating knowledge :)
16:59 mircea_popescu sounds pretty good.
16:59 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The only accomplishment of feminism this year was this shitty comic by a dude http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=2086
16:59 assbot Shortpacked! by David Willis - Oy Vey Sex Toy
16:59 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo don't sel them short, feminists accomplished some spectacular blowjobs this year.
16:59 BingoBoingo darlidada: Which is your favorite of Descartes, Spinoza, and Leibitz
17:00 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: But the dude feminist explained the clit exists...
17:00 mircea_popescu what is this, handicapping philosophers ?
17:00 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Like racehorses. Also getting a feel for what someone feels most comfortable reading.
17:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37959 @ 0.00084855 = 32.2101 BTC [-] {2}
17:01 fluffypony my favourite philosopher is Douglas Adams
17:01 fluffypony :-P
17:02 fluffypony I wonder if pankkake's ramblings count as philosophy
17:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02382 = 0.1191 BTC [+] {2}
17:02 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: With that question I take two answers as meaningless, one as a suggestion the answerer should be sent to the LISP mines
17:03 BingoBoingo Because in three decades if I get a pacemaker I'll be damned if it runs unix
17:04 mircea_popescu one of the best things about open space style office and these chairs on rollers they do nowadays
17:04 mircea_popescu is that you can play boinking chairs with people.
17:05 mircea_popescu also run over chicks in open toe sandals, but hey. no pain no gain.
17:06 BingoBoingo offlining
17:06 davout mircea_popescu: "also run over chicks in open toe sandals" <<< ouch
17:07 fluffypony danielpbarron: I replied to the fucktard on that thread as well
17:07 darlidada BingoBoingo: it would be spinoza, but I dont know him that well; its the joy of reading Plato's logos and the joy of reading nietzsche psychological depth that really brought me into philosophy; nowadays it is more political philosophy and logic that i am interested in, the first because it helps me understanding the world i live in, the second because it cures my mind from the
17:07 darlidada contradiction the era i grew up in
17:08 * fluffypony likes darlidada's worldview
17:08 Apocalyptic Nietzche was a great discovery
17:08 Apocalyptic (for me)
17:08 darlidada i read the 3rd chapter of "On religion" by schopenhauer yesterday. It was a nice discovery from reading mircea_popescu blog:)
17:09 fluffypony mircea_popescu: see! he's perfect for this project.
17:09 darlidada Nietzsche has the same view than Schopenhauer on books too. I think I read too much for my own health.
17:09 darlidada I need to do a blog ahah
17:10 mircea_popescu davout well what, they should wear platforms like decent sluts.
17:10 mircea_popescu lol you two.
17:11 mircea_popescu but yes, schopenhauer is under rated because "romantic"
17:12 fluffypony ok darlidada - I will make sure you have a platform to start your work by Wednesday, sound good?
17:13 mircea_popescu http://www.medpagetoday.com/images/blogMedia/celebritydiagnosis/Obama-Chia-Pet.jpg
17:13 mircea_popescu why not just reuse the wiki ?
17:13 darlidada fluffypony: I wont truly be available before the 1rst of july b
17:13 fluffypony mircea_popescu: I want daily synopsis + dictionary
17:13 mircea_popescu so wiki pages can't do that ?
17:13 fluffypony darlidada: I know, no need for major commitment till after 1st July
17:14 mircea_popescu imo the fewer platforms the better, as a general philosophy.
17:14 fluffypony mircea_popescu: not nicely; I played with mediawiki a bit, not happy with it
17:14 mircea_popescu the very concept of "platform" is predicatred onm there not being many of them. imagine if there's 500 platforms, the whole thing looks about as flat as chinatown
17:14 mircea_popescu !up PedjaT
17:14 fluffypony !up darlidada
17:14 mircea_popescu dude srsly ?!
17:15 pankkake I read Schopenhauer for the insults, and Douglas Adams for the philosophy
17:15 fluffypony mircea_popescu: remember, though, I'm throwing money at this in the hope that at some stage someone will go "oh shit, tome of all knowledge, take my dogecoin plc"
17:15 fluffypony I can't monetise wiki.b-a
17:15 pankkake TarMi!~3d3d@5.79.71.195 has quit: Quit: MIRCEA POPESCU IS AN ASSHOLE! < for those who hide quits
17:16 fluffypony lulz
17:16 mircea_popescu fluffypony so you seriously expect to monetize PUBLISHED summaries of assets ?
17:16 pankkake I would buy a Trilema book
17:16 fluffypony mircea_popescu: I expect to monetise tl;dr's :)
17:16 Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, this isn't communist Romania
17:17 Apocalyptic monetize all the things !
17:17 pankkake but I'll probably eventually ebook it myself
17:17 mircea_popescu ;;later tell bingoboingo http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=2086 << as hanbot points out, who the hell would want to have sex with someone with that attitude ?!
17:17 assbot Shortpacked! by David Willis - Oy Vey Sex Toy
17:17 gribble The operation succeeded.
17:17 mircea_popescu Apocalyptic no but i mean... so someone buys it and publishes it on his site. now what.
17:18 mircea_popescu pankkake you mean on paper ?
17:19 pankkake yes
17:19 Apocalyptic mircea, good question, I was being sarcastic
17:19 davout "so someone buys it and publishes it on his site. now what." <<< same goes for trilema
17:20 mircea_popescu davout but i have clear title to the material.
17:20 mircea_popescu he does not.
17:20 fluffypony logs.b-a is different, though
17:20 fluffypony there's no title
17:20 fluffypony and in any case
17:20 davout indeed, that doesn't really change the point
17:20 fluffypony ongoing analysis can reference logs
17:20 mircea_popescu moreover, wouldn't it perhaps be more productive to come up with some sort of way of monetizing the wiki if that's the point ?
17:21 mircea_popescu i mean, merely the monetization issue is not in fact a good answer to "why make moar platforms"
17:21 davout you did not refrain from implementing credits because someone could theoretically come up with freelema, right?
17:21 mircea_popescu davout i happen to have this comfortable situation where if someone pisses me off i can actually bury them in legal paper.
17:22 mircea_popescu !up TarMi
17:22 fluffypony mircea_popescu: but surely it depends on *what* you're monetising
17:22 mircea_popescu dude what's your major dysfunction
17:22 TarMi Mircea is an asshole!
17:22 fluffypony TarMi: I know, right, he's a real cock head
17:22 mircea_popescu fluffypony which is why i said, trilema and ba summaries aren't really thesame thing
17:22 mircea_popescu you'd think he caught me while i was doing his mom or something
17:22 davout mircea_popescu: that sounds like it'd be much more costly to the target than to the attacker
17:23 fluffypony mircea_popescu: so analysis of Trilema articles would be open, right? it doesn't preclude credits to the source
17:23 mircea_popescu davout i didn't parse.
17:23 davout i mean burying someone in legal papers would be costly to you, and it would be easy to work around
17:24 mircea_popescu only if you're a bum.
17:24 mircea_popescu but if you're a bum, i don't care in the first place.
17:25 mircea_popescu fluffypony well, original content is generally one thing, derivative content is generally iffy.
17:25 davout or on tor, or whatever, we're digressing here, my point is that monetizing convenience is something i think can make sense
17:25 mircea_popescu definitely, but then making a myriad platforms is anti convenience
17:26 davout fluffypony make a blog with summaries, use credits
17:26 fluffypony yeah but fuckit - I'll host it somewhere and kakobrekla can cname analysis.bitcoin-assets.com
17:26 fluffypony davout: exactly
17:26 mircea_popescu cause you know, everyone's gonna make one, cause there's nothing easier in the world, exactly the sort of busywork unemplyed webcoders love, and then they'll compete and then before you know it you won't be able to be friends anymore.
17:26 mircea_popescu just bad incentive structure.
17:27 fluffypony my thinking was WordPress with a "dictionary" plugin that picks up words in posts and links them to "definitions"
17:27 pankkake that sounds like a wiki!
17:27 fluffypony because easy to paywall
17:27 mircea_popescu i don't even recall why the wiki wasn't wp in the end
17:27 mircea_popescu iirc i said something then but i don't recall what or how itwent
17:27 fluffypony pankkake: wiki links to other articles are not automatic tho
17:27 fluffypony plus I fucking hate mediawiki
17:27 mircea_popescu fluffypony automatic isn't such a benefit.
17:27 fluffypony at least I can control WP
17:28 pankkake it's not mediawiki
17:28 fluffypony pankkake: either or - I still don't think that letting all-and-sundry edit is good
17:28 mircea_popescu afaik ba wiki has a closed editor list
17:28 davout call it assetopedia
17:29 mircea_popescu ass-to-pedia
17:29 davout or just penis
17:29 pankkake asspedia, to compete with http://www.boobpedia.com/
17:29 assbot Big Tits - Boobpedia
17:29 mircea_popescu o wow this is relevant to my ignorance & interests.
17:30 mircea_popescu http://www.boobpedia.com/boobs/Category:D_cup << fucking name list wtf is wrong with people.
17:30 assbot Category:D cup - Boobpedia - Encyclopedia of big boobs
17:33 mircea_popescu speaking of http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html hey dub, you still hold the view ?
17:33 assbot #bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model
17:38 fluffypony got distracted
17:38 fluffypony anyway
17:39 fluffypony I want darlidada to maintain a "guardian of knowledge" role
17:39 fluffypony we can open it later
17:39 mircea_popescu thinking about it, you basically want him to run a blog
17:40 fluffypony yes - but the key here is analysis and synopsis
17:40 fluffypony and it's not to give noobs a lurk-free path
17:40 fluffypony but it's more as an ongoing reference
17:41 mircea_popescu yeah. platform threw me, but srsly, yu just want to make a blog.
17:41 darlidada its true that knowledge is disseminated everywhere, but to be fair trilema bitcoin section already does a very nice job
17:42 fluffypony mircea_popescu: yep - a blog post for every day that #bitcoin-assets has existed
17:42 fluffypony plus the dictionary as an added bonus
17:42 fluffypony once darlidada gets to like June last year he's going to have to dip into personal logs
17:42 mircea_popescu he is ?
17:43 darlidada how should we sort the stuff that happens ? should we sum up everything even random fluff?
17:44 fluffypony random fluff is the best
17:44 darlidada even on #bitcoin-assets, there is a chat hierarchy, there are chat logs that are important to sum up and chat logs that are just fluff
17:45 mircea_popescu <fluffypony> random fluff is the best << except the mp theorem is that "bitcoin-assets is the shortest packing possible of all the information it contains".
17:45 mircea_popescu so i bet you if you do all the fluff your summaries will exceed the space of the log, prolly 3x
17:46 fluffypony buuuuut
17:46 fluffypony there's a dictionary too, right
17:46 mircea_popescu sure.
17:46 fluffypony so the entry for "Mircea Popescu" won't be repeated per-day
17:46 mircea_popescu and if you're notwilling to compromise some words will be book length
17:46 fluffypony and it will grow as he gets through the logs
17:47 fluffypony 100%
17:47 mircea_popescu the original encyclopedists had the exactsame problem
17:47 fluffypony for this I'd hope some entries are extraordinarily long
17:47 fluffypony maybe one day we publish a book :-P
17:51 fluffypony darlidada: I hope your book-writing skills are up to scratch :-P
17:51 fluffypony !up darlidada
17:52 darlidada fluffypony wants me to become a philosopher like the one from the french enlightment whereas i wanna become a free spirit like rousseau, though now that i am into bitcoin, im not sure about his love for the demos anymore ;<
17:52 fluffypony hah hah
17:52 fluffypony on the contrary, I want you to become a cartographer ;)
17:54 darlidada interesting, so you want me to map every person and every event within the bitcoin world
17:55 darlidada bitcoin asset is our santa maria ;p
17:55 mircea_popescu ;;later tell mike_c let me know once you approve my comment so i know it hasn't just been swallowed up by the machine and can erase the pasted version i've saved just in case.
17:55 gribble The operation succeeded.
17:56 fluffypony darlidada: yes - clever tags will provide a map
17:56 fluffypony you need to be a curator, essentially
17:59 fluffypony this needs a curator - multiple, disparate, dispassionate, uninterested curators don't work
17:59 mircea_popescu well i'm sure that multiple passionate, disparate, interested curators will work too :)
18:00 darlidada then its good that i've an obsessive personality, im maniac about trilema.com right now; i'm gonna finish reading http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/ - and go to bed, gn:)
18:00 assbot A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
18:02 fluffypony mircea_popescu: I'm not against the approach, but I think this needs a more unified approach to prevent a more unified view
18:03 fluffypony once everything is "there" it's different
18:03 fluffypony but consistency is critical during the initial load
18:13 mircea_popescu fluffypony no argument
18:14 Guest20889 mircea_popescu: The amazing thing about the unfuckable is the variety of ways they can inhere that property.
18:14 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
18:16 mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/w6ir4L0.png
18:16 mircea_popescu this is instructive
18:17 mircea_popescu could be the net worth graph of pretty much any forum investment
18:21 mircea_popescu . Just fucks me off when I see super rich fucks chuck their money around like confetti. Fiat or bitcoin. ( and yes bit of jealousy, but if I was that rich I would share the wealth in a more meaningful way)
18:21 mircea_popescu that's not how you get to be rich. rich people are hated, because they are supposed to be hated. No one has ever gotten elitist rich by following the rules or being nice.
18:22 mircea_popescu all together nao... reeeeetardit!
18:25 mircea_popescu !up sedeki
18:25 sedeki thanks
18:25 sedeki mircea_popescu looking for a python developer?
18:25 mircea_popescu not specifically
18:26 sedeki all right
18:26 mircea_popescu someonewaslooking forsomething but i forgot who. fluffy maybe ?
18:31 mircea_popescu !up alecpap
18:31 alecpap mircea_popescu: thanks
18:32 mircea_popescu yw
18:34 sedeki mircea_popescu i have a hunch you follow interesting blogs. do you want to share?
18:34 mircea_popescu http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/ like ?
18:34 assbot Assets Assimilated
18:42 Mats_cd03 ;;bc,stats
18:42 gribble Current Blocks: 304716 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1715 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 3 hours, 16 minutes, and 21 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12111100554.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.01575
18:43 mircea_popescu "I leave aside the confusion absence of evidence/evidence of absence--and the misunderstanding of the very notion of "empiricism". It is a fact that in the real world of our daily decision-making 1) we do not have much evidence of most relevant things, yet we need to take action; 2) in most situations, "true/false" is never symmetric (one side is more harmful than the other), so the burden of evidence is one-sided. Which
18:43 mircea_popescu kes "doing science" lose their tenures after the endowments (and charity) run out of funds, they will be barely fit to do anything in the real-life ecology. I wonder what you can do with an unemployed, say, academic orthodox economist. You could do better with non-post-academic cab drivers. Clearly those the most fit at dealing with "just evidence" will be idiot savants outside their evidence domain."
18:43 mircea_popescu i absolutelylove taleb
18:43 mircea_popescu this guy is like me, except older and givingmore of a shit.
18:50 mircea_popescu "So let me take this into more interesting territory, and express my anti-social-planner views. Even more that in Hayek's days, the ecology of the real world is becoming too complex for Aristotelian logic: very, very little of what we do can be safely formalized, meaning asymmetries matter more than ever. Which puts the Western World today at the most dangerous point in its history: unless we get the Bernanke-Summers cro
18:50 mircea_popescu ill eventually be destroyed by the machinery of arrogant, formal-thinking civil servants, and Ivy-league semi-retards."
18:51 mircea_popescu "Finally, beyond the current mess, I see no way out of this ecological problem, except through that tacit, unexplainable, seasoned, thoughtful, and aged thing crystalized by traditions & religions --we can't live without charts and we need to rely on the ones we've used for millennia. Le 21e siecle sera religieux, ou ne sera pas!" << someone needs to shout bitcoin at him in such a way that he understands wtf we do here.
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19:11 mircea_popescu "We prohibit under anathema that murderous art of crossbowmen and archers, which is hateful to God"
19:14 kakobrekla http://img.hihi.si/Upload/zDmV.png
19:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 47 @ 0.04405928 = 2.0708 BTC [-]
19:18 mircea_popescu wait, wut ?!
19:18 mircea_popescu !up chainey
19:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 46 @ 0.02367122 = 1.0889 BTC [-] {3}
19:23 Mats_cd03 youre intent on world domination huh
19:27 mircea_popescu if at all possible.
19:28 mircea_popescu !up bitcoinhtx
19:30 mircea_popescu "So, by tinkering, I figured out that I fare best under the following conditions: no breakfast, working out randomly (but in a lumpy way: long walks & intense weight lifting without a scheduled time limit), "working" randomly, fasting when working out, avoiding modern carbs (and modernized fruits), avoiding contact with economists and finance idiots, taking red eye flights & fasting during episodes of jet lag and similar
19:31 mircea_popescu we even fucking do things similarly in many places.
19:34 mircea_popescu "Having a risk number is not trivial. It does lead you to do foolish things, even if you knew that the measure was wrong. If I can show that, many people [who offered quantitative risk measures in finance] will have to be held accountable –& I can show that! One of Fannie Mae director’s, a quack & proponent of “Modern Finance” charlatanism, kept promoting “scientific” risk measurement methodologies that do not measure ri
19:34 mircea_popescu ately, but lead people to TAKE MORE RISK foolishly thinking they know something. [This is the reason I singled out Fannie Mae in The Black Swan as a firm sitting on dynamite & the International Association of Financial Engineers as a society of snake oil vendors harmful to society]. After > 1 trillion in losses I can safely say that my statement that the banking system has been taking more risks than they thought SHOULD
19:34 mircea_popescu SERIOUSLY."
19:34 mircea_popescu or, "why forum rating agencies are stupid and people will fucking hang for it"
19:34 mircea_popescu "So I hold that giving someone a bad risk measure was just as CRIMINAL as giving someone the wrong medicine. For a long time nobody sanctioned doctors who poisoned their patients. Why don’t we take on the proponents of quantitative risk management, put them in jail so they stop harming us?"
19:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0237999 = 0.1666 BTC [+]
19:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35850 @ 0.00084748 = 30.3822 BTC [-] {2}
19:51 mircea_popescu Un vieil homme du nom de Chunglang, qui signifie « Maître des rochers », possédait un petit lopin de terre dans les montagnes. Un jour, il perdit l’un de ses chevaux. Des voisins vinrent alors lui exprimer leurs condoléances pour ce malheur. Mais le vieil homme leur demanda : « Pourquoi pensez-vous que cela soit un malheur ? » Et voilà que quelques jours plus tard l’animal revint, suivi d’une horde de chevaux sauvages. À
19:51 mircea_popescu au les voisins apparurent, pour le féliciter cette fois-ci de cette aubaine. Mais le vieil homme leur rétorqua : « Pourquoi pensez-vous que cela soit un aubaine ? » Les chevaux étant devenus très nombreux, le fils du vieil homme se prit de passion pour l’équitation, mais un beau jour il se cassa la jambe. Alors, encore une fois, les voisins vinrent présenter leurs condoléances et à nouveau le vieil homme leur rétorqua :
19:51 mircea_popescu uoi pensez-vous que cela soit un accident malheureux ? » L’année suivante, la commission des Grands Flandrins arriva dans la montagne. Elle recrutait des hommes forts pour devenir valets de pied de l’empereur et porter la chaise de celui-ci. Le fils du vieil homme, toujours blessé à la jambe, ne fut pas choisi.
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20:12 Mats_cd03 !up mdev
20:13 Mats_cd03 !up mdev
20:13 mdev thanks, is the auto-devoice necessary? seems like it'd make more sense that if you temp voiced another user could devoice you if needbe
20:13 mdev majority of the channel has no voice currently
20:15 mircea_popescu !up mdev
20:16 mircea_popescu mdev you're not in thething even already you're improvingit ?
20:16 Namworld Well that's a nice little story and all. Although it's true, odds weren't in favor of those outcomes.
20:16 mircea_popescu odds are taleb wouldn't think much of your understanding of odds tho
20:18 mdev mircea just seems like an obvious problem
20:18 mdev and obvious solution
20:18 mdev nothing to be afraid of, big channels don't have anywhere near as locked system like in here, and they don't get spammed much/ever and if they do it doesn't last long
20:19 mdev besides nothing stopping a spammer from joining, asking for voice, and do their thing
20:19 Namworld The little story just seems to point the obvious, aka a good/bad event could end up being a curse/good outcome, respectively.
20:19 Namworld Not that I disagree with what came just before the little story.
20:19 mircea_popescu mdev spammers have very little to do with it.
20:19 mdev then why?
20:19 mdev seems inconvient when majority of the channel can't talk
20:19 mircea_popescu teaching ignorant snots that out of the [their ideas, their shit] set, the shit element is the more valuable however is central.
20:20 mdev inconvenient rather
20:20 mircea_popescu Namworld for full context you gotta look at http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/notebook.htm tho, it's a little disconcerto of cvasi-nonsense
20:21 mircea_popescu mdev how is that inconvenient ?
20:22 mdev because if they want to speak they have to voice themselves, which to even do that have to join some tricky WOT thing, and if they haven't done that they have to burden another user for voice
20:22 mdev versus just talking...where's that web of trust?
20:22 mdev lettintg users talk, without jumping through hoops, and if they get out of line then can devoice or what have you
20:23 mircea_popescu methinks you'll have to spend some time reading the previous discussion on this topic first.
20:23 mircea_popescu anyway, im going out. later all.
20:23 Namworld Well WOT ain't all that tricky. Took me a little while. Once done I was set.
20:24 BingoBoingo knotwork_: You still survived Vircurex?
20:24 Namworld What's vircurex again?
20:24 mdev well as you said it took you awhile, and you maybe quite the clever fellow, so it could take others even longer. I just don't see the point, versus letting all participate
20:24 BingoBoingo Namworld: Kumala's runaway scam
20:27 BingoBoingo Vircurex was money untl it wasn't
20:28 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/Rachel__Nichols/status/475427794152067072/photo/1
20:28 assbot NBA writer /JeffZillgitt for the win with his quote sheet as if California Chrome was playing in the NBA Finals http://t.co/PpJsvFG4pP
20:30 BingoBoingo Halep was so close
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20:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9642 @ 0.00084687 = 8.1655 BTC [-] {2}
20:50 mike_c mircea_popescu: comment published.
20:55 dub that reminds me, still need to get nxt out of vircurex
20:55 dub wich would be easier if the client worked
20:57 mike_c ;;later tell davout if you want to see my warface you have to try and flip the switch on my computer's power strip after i've told you FIFTY TIMES to stay away from it.
20:57 gribble The operation succeeded.
21:02 dub %book
21:02 atcbot 32k@289 65k@280 40k@278 | 4k@144 50k@143 175k@142
21:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29550 @ 0.0008535 = 25.2209 BTC [+] {3}
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21:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.2665481 = 1.5993 BTC [-] {4}
21:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.26049931 = 3.3865 BTC [-] {7}
21:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00085715 = 7.8858 BTC [+]
21:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.26 BTC [-]
21:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 31 @ 0.25010518 = 7.7533 BTC [-] {7}
21:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.25 = 10 BTC [-] {2}
21:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2867 @ 0.00085715 = 2.4574 BTC [+]
21:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 129 @ 0.00252084 = 0.3252 BTC [-] {4}
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22:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22250 @ 0.00085826 = 19.0963 BTC [+] {2}
22:27 benkay <mdev> well as you said it took you awhile, and you maybe quite the clever fellow, so it could take others even longer. I just don't see the point, versus letting all participate // "all" sucks.
22:27 benkay !up mdev
22:27 benkay ;;later tell mdev logping
22:27 gribble The operation succeeded.
22:28 benkay ;;later tell mdev http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/
22:28 assbot #bitcoin-assets log
22:28 gribble The operation succeeded.
22:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30424 @ 0.00085894 = 26.1324 BTC [+] {2}
22:31 BingoBoingo !up bloctoc
22:35 BingoBoingo So, just called out the complaintant on my Disorderly charge on twittter. Their choices are forgive or fade into irrelevance.
22:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2699962 BTC [+]
22:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.269996 = 0.81 BTC [-]
22:39 BingoBoingo I will resolve this disorderl charge this weekend
22:45 BingoBoingo !up Vexual
22:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.274 = 1.918 BTC [+]
22:47 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I have started the push for a return of the passport
22:52 BingoBoingo Who here has a big IRL name twitter presence?
22:53 BingoBoingo benkay: Do you have one?
22:53 benkay fuck no
23:02 TheNewDeal 4 pack of Polish beers and an empty bitcoin-assets room... the start of a fantastic saturday night
23:04 Vexual did yah double down on the diff bet yet?
23:05 BingoBoingo lol
23:05 BingoBoingo !up Vexual
23:06 TheNewDeal no that diff bet is going sideways the last couple days
23:06 TheNewDeal I'm currently scouting a fine petroleum opportunity
23:07 BingoBoingo Yeah, I dun feel good about in anymore.
23:11 Vexual ive been playing with turning waste mining heat into distilling power, I wonder how long until crude oil is an option
23:11 Vexual I couldn't find uranium
23:12 Vexual make your own pretroleum jelly
23:14 Vexual its a pickle jar stuck to a peltier stuck to an r-box
23:19 TheNewDeal ahhhh
23:19 TheNewDeal piece of shit hotel connection, not sure why I even tried in the first place
23:19 TheNewDeal couldnt even load gmail
23:19 Vexual waiting is the best part
23:19 Vexual i get mathanol for the first 12 hours
23:20 mircea_popescu <BingoBoingo> Halep was so close << yeah, sucks you know when you bet on a wild horse, and she does 1000 but you needed 1050
23:20 mircea_popescu anyway. it was a bitcoin for her good fortune.
23:20 TheNewDeal that shit will fuck you up!
23:21 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu I didn't make that bet, but I understand the sweat involved from making similar bets.
23:21 Vexual TheNewDeal: quick as you like
23:21 TheNewDeal which bet are you talking about?
23:21 Vexual halep to win
23:22 mircea_popescu <BingoBoingo> Who here has a big IRL name twitter presence? << not anymoar.
23:23 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Just trying to follow up on an interesting idea from the lawyer
23:24 TheNewDeal mircea_popescu I'm looking for information about the WTI Jan 2015 > $200 because it spoke hedge to me from the beginning
23:24 mircea_popescu im sure it was.
23:24 Vexual wizzen
23:24 BingoBoingo All that is happening is I am asking forgiveness, since after more than a year the prosecution has been incapable of making a case
23:25 mircea_popescu so why'd you ask for anything ?
23:25 mircea_popescu sue for vexation or w/e it's called
23:25 mircea_popescu ill send you a signed letter saying that your failure to show up in timisoara cost you a million dollah.
23:25 Vexual thats what i said, look em in the eye
23:25 mircea_popescu vexualation lol
23:25 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Because they offer forgiveness nao or are drafted to blowjobs later.
23:26 mircea_popescu here;s free advice : blowjobs from idiots suck
23:26 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Actually... I think Mr. Drivethrough J.D. could do a lot with that letter...
23:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00085715 = 24.3431 BTC [-]
23:26 mircea_popescu what's your irl real name again ?
23:26 BingoBoingo I think though missing Timisoara cost me much more than one million dollars
23:27 Vexual tread lightly
23:27 TheNewDeal Frankie D.
23:27 Vexual and look confused
23:27 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: PM'd with public key
23:28 BingoBoingo Vexual: Only the uninitiated may tread lightly, be aren't we both initiated?
23:28 Vexual i really don't know
23:29 mircea_popescu well no but i mean if ima gonna publish this...
23:29 BingoBoingo Vexual: We are initiated.
23:29 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, This is still live through Monday.
23:30 BingoBoingo Eh, what can the feds do, my peace offering under the IRL name https://twitter.com/aaronrogier/status/475467740778881024
23:30 assbot /DallasCookIL I can offer a juicy reslution, but only if you offer a GPG public key. Like http://t.co/iPs8juiF98
23:30 TheNewDeal whats going on?
23:31 BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: Imma trying to get a passport
23:31 Vexual ahh you know about the good satay
23:31 BingoBoingo The thing is @DallasCoolIL fancies himself a conservative...
23:32 TheNewDeal aren't passports relatively easy to get?
23:32 Vexual i think he wants his back
23:32 BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: Not if there is a pending case against you that just won't quit...
23:32 TheNewDeal ahhhh
23:32 BingoBoingo And let us make this clear. I am never pleading any guilt on this case.
23:32 TheNewDeal just as bad as having your nuts in a vise
23:33 BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: I nearly lost my nuts to trauma and infection in May, this is a minor problem by comparison.
23:33 Vexual tell em you need your passport for a nut infusion
23:34 BingoBoingo Having a testicular torsion manually reduced, now that is pain.
23:34 TheNewDeal jeeeezus
23:34 TheNewDeal I was talking about straight compression
23:34 BingoBoingo Being on the edge of founeir's gangrene because docotrs don't understand bacteria, that is pain.
23:36 BingoBoingo I make this fuss over the misdemeanor now, because a reasonable person on the other side can by 8:00 CDT on Tuesday decide to drop this issue for their great benefit.
23:36 BingoBoingo !up Vexual
23:37 BingoBoingo If, however they don't want to drop this... Maybe I would like to be county clerk or whatever their fake bezzel job is...
23:38 Vexual well if you lost your million dollar job because of someoneelses incopetence, it might be their cheapest option
23:39 BingoBoingo Vexual: Not even on that scale yet, but... of my blogs that didn't go viral http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/12/14/the-failure-of-urbit-and-the-bitcoins-future-of-computing/ was probably the most popular for a reason.
23:39 assbot The Failure of Urbit and Bitcoin's Future of Computing | Bingo Blog
23:39 TheNewDeal BB, you and I area on the opposite side of this Bas?tilleday bet, no
23:39 BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: I am on the no side
23:39 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
23:39 gribble Current Blocks: 304736 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1695 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 16 hours, 33 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11712402881.8 | Estimated Percent Change: -0.37553
23:40 TheNewDeal indeed, I am on the Yes
23:40 BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: You seem to be on the more likely side now.
23:40 TheNewDeal true, but the last two days have been quite skittish
23:41 BingoBoingo Days are small, weeks are more
23:41 TheNewDeal most definitely
23:41 mircea_popescu fascinating how every.god.damned.diff.bet ends up such a waffle
23:41 TheNewDeal this has been one of my heaviest bets to date
23:42 TheNewDeal not true MP, some people don't know how to do basic calculations
23:42 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I wonder what your tke is on the difference between myself and Tat
23:42 TheNewDeal http://bitbet.us/bet/768/bitcoin-difficulty-over-21b-before-june/
23:42 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty over 21B before June :: 0.02 B (7%) on Yes, 0.26 B (93%) on No | closed 3 weeks 6 days ago
23:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3783 @ 0.00085715 = 3.2426 BTC [-]
23:43 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo what diff is that ?
23:46 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I dunno myself beyond he feared mpif an I signed on.
23:46 mircea_popescu well link or somthin ?
23:47 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Just your recent article on what composes a jail
23:48 mircea_popescu well then i dunno
23:49 BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/an-inventory-of-a-prison
23:49 assbot An inventory of a prison pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
23:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00085851 = 14.7664 BTC [+] {2}
23:55 TheNewDeal MP are you relocating to arhentina?
23:57 mircea_popescu already done.
23:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14821 @ 0.00085513 = 12.6739 BTC [-]
23:59 TheNewDeal whats the rent like for a mediocre place? like without AC, but with running water and electricity
23:59 TheNewDeal I realize you had some troubles identifying entities that do in fact rent :D
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