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01:05 mircea_popescu re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656598 since might as well archive it, http://gawker.com/5950981/unmasking-reddits-violentacrez-the-biggest-troll-on-the-web
01:05 a111 Logged on 2017-05-15 21:59 mircea_popescu: anywya, im not reading this pile of garbage ; but from the skimming -- the whole argument is born of ignorance. reddit got its start as a heaven for child porn peddlers who got banned on digg.
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06:18 diana_coman hm, is there a clear convention re patch names ? using - or _ as separators? mod6's *very useful* guide at http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000168.html seems to suggest _ but the collection of patches seems to use both - and _
06:23 mircea_popescu _
06:24 mircea_popescu mod6 mind adding the "no clearsigned material in patches -- you got the .sig for that" and "no '--- ' anywhere, you have been warned" rules to it ; and phf / everyone mind making it stick ?
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06:24 mircea_popescu noncompliant items can i guess go in 'experimental' or whatever ghetto.
06:25 mircea_popescu let me change that : "no '--- ' anywhere, you have been warned" should read "no '--- ' or '+++ ' as first 4 characters of any line -- you have been warned"
06:25 mircea_popescu trinque !
06:27 mircea_popescu o hey it stopped. magic.
06:37 diana_coman and hm, maybe update the vdiff linked from http://thebitcoin.foundation/ if there's a newer version
06:41 mircea_popescu aha.
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07:02 mircea_popescu in other things that happened in 2017, michael vick quit.
07:03 mircea_popescu (only famous for organizing dogfights in defiance of femocracy & pantsuit)
07:05 * diana_coman has no idea who michael vick is
07:08 mircea_popescu one of the any other famous "afro-american" blacks (ie, athlete)
07:17 mircea_popescu bwahahaha this gotta be in teh logs : http://www.menarebetterthanwomen.com/dick-mastersons-2009-man-challenge/#more-1207
07:18 mircea_popescu dude's ~as maddox-knockoffy / dumb as i remember it, however, "The Pick Up Artist community has turned thousands of young men into silly cheap-shits. Their “The Game” plan is simple: 1. Don’t pay for shit. 2. ? 3. Pussy! But that’s like switching from live bait to dynamite when you’re fishing in the bathtub. Here’s a straighter line between points U and P: 1. Stop dating chicks that aren’t going to fuck you!"
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08:08 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
08:09 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14655.93, vol: 22278.64169879 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14543.954749, vol: 109580.25382322 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14850.0, vol: 6660.56084245 | Volume-weighted last average: 14576.6800399
08:11 mircea_popescu check that out! "bitcoin is now 100% more valuable than it was three weeks ago", in preference of "bitcoin is exactly the same but we're willing to admit twice as much weakness in the worthless fiat than we were three weeks ago"
08:12 BingoBoingo In miscelanous reflections that ought to have made yesterday's log except for brain lag, on the small regional flight economy plus was totally worth it. Window, your seat, aisle, pair of suckers.
08:15 diana_coman BingoBoingo, in Europe at least the "difference" between economy and business class on small regional flights is quite often a... curtain drawn to separate the 2 areas of the aircraft, but not much else (same seats, same space/lack of it, same food if you really need airplane-food on a 2-3 hours flight)
08:16 BingoBoingo diana_coman: There was no business class on the embraer 145, just "ecomomy" on the two seat side of the aisle and "economy plus" on the solo seat side
08:17 diana_coman oh, really small plane
08:17 BingoBoingo The embraer during take off had a feel like my saturn plastic car, that there just might not be enough power to pull off this aviation thing
08:18 diana_coman hm, if I'm looking at the right model it still is some reasonable size; I flew a couple of times to Rome on some 15-seats plane and that was always... interesting
08:18 BingoBoingo From there it was a United 737-800 which gave off a 90's vibe in its plastic, especially compared to the Copa 737-800 which was new but full of infants
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08:19 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i had a ride in an even tinier thing in ro, even had propellers
08:19 BingoBoingo diana_coman asciilifeform Ah, it's a plane that seems to find its niche in routes that have demand to be done frequently, but only so many people at a time
08:20 asciilifeform ( granted, turboprop, not piston. but still )
08:21 mircea_popescu diana_coman business class got me discretionary rum, which was fucking worth it btw.
08:21 mircea_popescu i went from "just about ready to burn this shit down" to having a grand ole mellow time in the ten minutes it took to get two refills.
08:21 * BingoBoingo did meet some very nice venezualans last night
08:21 diana_coman mircea_popescu, lol, it was surely worth it for them then at least
08:21 mircea_popescu aha.
08:22 diana_coman while I usually do have rum in the house it's (at least supposedly) meant for..caek
08:22 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1747872 << i was in one of those yellowed plastics, panama->bolivia, and thought 'this could easily be same boeing i came to usa on in '92'
08:22 a111 Logged on 2017-12-07 13:18 BingoBoingo: From there it was a United 737-800 which gave off a 90's vibe in its plastic, especially compared to the Copa 737-800 which was new but full of infants
08:22 mircea_popescu diana_coman you don't have good rum.
08:23 mircea_popescu i never managed to find drinkable rum in the old world. so i only drink it this side
08:23 * diana_coman doesn't claim much rum-knowledge
08:23 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Was that a Copa plane?
08:23 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the latter? yea
08:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform pretty sure i flew tm-bucharest in an actual piston thing.
08:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lol, in what, a junkers ?
08:24 mircea_popescu antonov
08:24 asciilifeform nuts
08:24 mircea_popescu was still in commercial service in 90s.
08:24 asciilifeform dafuq deedbot
08:26 asciilifeform meanwhile, in greatagains, http://caselaw.findlaw.com/mi-court-of-appeals/1878675.html
08:26 asciilifeform 'The Restatement (Second) of Torts § 559 lists “membership in the Ku Klux Klan” as the quintessential illustration of a defamatory statement. In an opinion piece in The Detroit News, columnist Bankole Thompson asserted that radio show host James Edwards is a “leader” of the Ku Klux Klan. There is no record evidence to suggest that Edwards holds a formal leadership position in the Ku Klux Klan, nor is there any record evidence
08:26 asciilifeform this lack of formal relationship, Edwards has espoused views consistent with those associated with the Klan and, equally as important, he has repeatedly and publicly embraced several individuals who are strongly associated with the Klan. Mindful of Aesop's lesson, “A man is known by the company he keeps,” 1 we hold that Edwards cannot make claims of defamation or invasion of privacy and affirm summary disposition in favor of defe
08:27 asciilifeform '
08:27 mircea_popescu gah.
08:27 asciilifeform trinque there ?
08:28 mircea_popescu this new host is pretty shitty.
08:29 diana_coman asciilifeform, mind publishing somewhere your current vdiff?
08:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's some pretty great legal reasoning right there. "the factual accuracy of statements can now be derived from the company one keeps -- for isntance, a man can not be sued for practicing medicine without a license for as long as he does it within sight of actual doctors"
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08:29 mircea_popescu where the fuck do they find these mental molluscs ?
08:29 asciilifeform diana_coman: pretty sure it is same as mod6 has on trb www
08:30 diana_coman that one seems to still spit timestamps on my machine at least
08:30 diana_coman I did tweak it but I might have gotten something wrong and I'd rather rule this part out before hunting for issues
08:31 mircea_popescu i wonder what laws of magic will be invoked to pretend that tort "ruling" is not precedent for de-licensing medicine.
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08:31 asciilifeform diana_coman: i'ma repaste mine, but gotta switch consoles, brb
08:36 asciilifeform diana_coman: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/FTn7i/?raw=true
08:36 diana_coman asciilifeform, thank you!
08:36 shinohai How to DoS Ethereum, part iv http://archive.is/Y9u1o
08:36 asciilifeform diana_coman: this is the one i've been using since iirc nov 2015
08:37 asciilifeform it produces the 'standard' vpatch form
08:37 diana_coman aha, it's basically my ...tweaked one except I did not realise I needed a space too
08:37 diana_coman ftr mod6 you might want to update it on foundation's website
08:38 asciilifeform mod6 appears to have my same vdiff
08:38 asciilifeform and not the ancient timestamp-shitting one
08:39 diana_coman ugh, at http://thebitcoin.foundation/ yes; I followed the links from http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000168.html though and ended up with old one
08:39 diana_coman my bad, nm
08:39 BingoBoingo The biggest impression montevideo is making on me is that it needs a trip to the BingoBoingo store for white lithium grease and toilet seats that aren't made out of particleboard
08:39 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1747903 << the reality of present-day usg is that precedent is precedent when they feel like it, and unprecedent when they unfeellikeit
08:39 a111 Logged on 2017-12-07 13:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's some pretty great legal reasoning right there. "the factual accuracy of statements can now be derived from the company one keeps -- for isntance, a man can not be sued for practicing medicine without a license for as long as he does it within sight of actual doctors"
08:45 BingoBoingo In other news, IOC banned Russia from 2018 winter olympics
08:46 BingoBoingo because caught "systemically doping"
08:46 BingoBoingo Unlike USia where environment where doping is mandatory systemically curated
08:47 asciilifeform lol, vs what kind of doping
08:48 BingoBoingo You know the US hapahazard kind where fall guys systemically exist to protect system
08:52 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1747908 << the 1 law, where 'precedent is whatever we say it is'. sorta like 'in this germany, a jew is he who i say is a jew' in the earlier reich.
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08:52 a111 Logged on 2017-12-07 13:31 mircea_popescu: i wonder what laws of magic will be invoked to pretend that tort "ruling" is not precedent for de-licensing medicine.
08:52 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo tooling in 3rd world is shockingly poor. almost what you'd expect people'd do that never saw tools.
08:53 BingoBoingo Now faucets, that
08:53 BingoBoingo 's poot tooling
08:53 mircea_popescu asciilifeform in the sops wet dreams, at least.
08:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: so far the dreams been comin' troo
08:53 BingoBoingo But the door hardware, likely 99% more reliable with a can of white lithium grease
08:53 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what do they use for lubrication, yak fat ?
08:54 mircea_popescu not as far as i've observed. then again, everyone's free to follow fanfics.
08:54 BingoBoingo I don't know yet that they lubricate
08:54 asciilifeform !#s terms of surrender
08:54 a111 2 results for "terms of surrender", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=terms%20of%20surrender
08:54 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741162 << subj
08:54 a111 Logged on 2017-11-20 11:15 mircea_popescu: lism was long ago disarmed by a democratic process increasingly dominated by powerful groups with economic interests antithetical to competitors and consumers. And the courts, from which the victims of burdensome regulation sought protection, have been negotiating the terms of surrender since the 1930s."
08:55 BingoBoingo But every toilet bowl so far has been expanding due to humidity exposure on it's bottom (water facing side)
08:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform hey, btw, didja see the piece where trump is shutting down whatever "natural monument" in utah ?
08:55 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not yet. what was this
08:56 asciilifeform can haz link ?
08:56 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Not shutting down, right-sizing
08:56 mircea_popescu on the whole topic of cowboys' rights and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1693654
08:56 a111 Logged on 2017-08-04 02:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you recall, whgen i was trying to get ben_vulpes to collect a bus'worth of local sluts and go throw an unauthorized party around those people the usg was trying to drive off their land ?
08:56 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo oh right, it was a fatshaming thing too
08:57 BingoBoingo i.e. Grand Escalara national monument reduced to the the grand escalara and a bit of surroundings instead of a tract of mostly nothing
08:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-monuments/trump-outlines-big-cuts-to-utah-monuments-environmentalists-sue-idUSKBN1DY167
08:57 asciilifeform the cowboys from linked thread were iirc in oregon
08:57 mircea_popescu the ~equivalent move to pantsuit "We will take down mount rushmore"
08:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't recognize usg-painted map.
08:58 mircea_popescu it's all one big west.
08:58 asciilifeform i can picture
08:59 mircea_popescu "While a handful of monuments have been resized in the past, none has been cut back to such an extent, putting the president’s proclamation in uncharted legal territory."
08:59 mircea_popescu pantsuit continues to understand how the law works.
08:59 asciilifeform on top of this i dun recognize the distinction between the two bureaucracies the ownership of said lands is being moved between
08:59 asciilifeform they are part of same usg.
08:59 diana_coman ugh; now I have a situation in which mod6's v simply drops on the floor my patch, while asciilifeform's v sees it correctly in the flow BUT when pressing it barfs saying that a readme file that the patch deletes does not exist as a result of previous patch WHILE pressing previous patch actually creates that file;
09:00 mircea_popescu if this woman started responsibly a day early with all this and she's STILL gonna miss her today deadline ima hang someone
09:00 mircea_popescu and it won't likely be her.
09:01 asciilifeform diana_coman: tar it up plox, and post, looks very much like you have a mistake on your end. mod6 was able to press last night.
09:01 asciilifeform or is subject diana_coman's new patch.
09:01 diana_coman asciilifeform, I CAN PRESS your patches
09:01 diana_coman this is new patch on top , yes
09:01 asciilifeform ok breathe, count 10, post tar.
09:01 asciilifeform i'ma go to tea and look.
09:06 diana_coman asciilifeform, http://dianacoman.com/available_resources/testpatch.tar.gz
09:07 mircea_popescu diana_coman you should prolly have version numbers on these by now. testpatch-16
09:08 diana_coman mircea_popescu, tbh I lost count; more like delete and create whole thing again, on the verge of making bash scripts for each project anyway
09:09 mircea_popescu the hardest thing when reforming bad workflow is to... actually reform anything.
09:09 mircea_popescu cleaning, always and forever the same damned thing.
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09:14 diana_coman will try without that readme file change anyway as that's more of an artefact of having run make clean (which deleted it too)
09:15 diana_coman not in any way a point of the patch
09:17 asciilifeform diana_coman: you made small mistake :
09:17 asciilifeform you stripped the dir 'mpi' when you made your diff
09:18 asciilifeform diff/patch is not insensitive to directory structure, or it could not handle dirs at all. in original we have 'a/mpi/bin/README', in yours there is instead 'a/bin/README'.
09:19 diana_coman asciilifeform, ugh, I see
09:19 * diana_coman goes to try again
09:19 asciilifeform diana_coman: ./vdiff.sh a b
09:19 diana_coman asciilifeform, that is what I did
09:19 asciilifeform what was in a, b ?
09:19 diana_coman but apparently I should have done it on a containing mpi containing the code
09:19 asciilifeform if there isn't 'mpi' in each -- your patch is off
09:19 asciilifeform right.
09:19 diana_coman while I did it on a containing code, wtf
09:20 asciilifeform you can only diff items with same structure.
09:20 diana_coman yes,they HAVE same structure
09:20 diana_coman a and b
09:20 diana_coman just one level lower
09:20 asciilifeform same everywhere. think about it.
09:20 diana_coman myeah
09:20 diana_coman I do get it, thanks; will try again and report
09:22 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1747976 << interestingly gprclean ( part of gprbuild system , illustrated in ffa ch1 ) actually-worx (unlike, pointedly, gnumake's)
09:22 a111 Logged on 2017-12-07 14:09 mircea_popescu: cleaning, always and forever the same damned thing.
09:22 asciilifeform probably spiffiest build system i've ever used, and it ships with gnat.
09:23 asciilifeform also diana_coman : you left binturdola in your diff dirs
09:23 asciilifeform Binary files a/tests/test_mpi and b/tests/test_mpi differ
09:23 asciilifeform Binary files a/tests/test_mpi.o and b/tests/test_mpi.o differ
09:23 asciilifeform ^ appear in your patch
09:23 diana_coman will look
09:23 asciilifeform this is a major 'nope', all extant vtrons i expect will choke on this alone.
09:23 asciilifeform diffed dirs gotta be binolade-free.
09:23 * asciilifeform brb
09:29 BingoBoingo !~bcstats
09:29 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 498085 | Current Difficulty: 1.590896927258E12 | Next Difficulty At Block: 499967 | Next Difficulty In: 1882 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 8 hours, 8 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
09:33 diana_coman right; cleaned it again fully; put back in the readme file; made the structure a/mpi and b/mpi; can finally say that patch presses fine with both vtrons
09:33 diana_coman thank you asciilifeform for your help
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09:55 mircea_popescu i guess we restate.
09:55 mircea_popescu and in other pointless bullshit : https://goodmenproject.com/ ie "the conversation no one is having [any of]" happening inexplicably on the IAB website template. i'm guessing http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623380 also does their checkout, legal &c, coincidentally.
09:55 a111 Logged on 2017-03-08 22:29 mircea_popescu: in other lulz : femen, the "ukrainian" organisation is selling shit priced in dollars via 2checkout.com, the columbus ohio us corp.
09:56 asciilifeform in this case i can't even tell what the spamola-angle is supposed to be
09:56 asciilifeform read like generic linkfarm.
09:56 mircea_popescu the idea is that if pantsuit makes a paper dolly of "men" that'll do something irl.
09:56 mircea_popescu obviously, something other than insta-bitchslap for opening mouth.
09:59 asciilifeform meanwhile, in gox world, 'TOKYO (AP) — A bitcoin mining company in Slovenia has been hacked for the possible theft of tens of millions of dollars, just days before the virtual currency, which hit a record above $15,000 on Thursday, is due to start trading on major U.S. exchanges. ... address referred to by NiceHash users indicates that about 4,700 bitcoins had been stolen'
09:59 asciilifeform ^ with the oblig 'millionzofdollarz'
10:00 mircea_popescu lol "just days" before what ?
10:00 mircea_popescu idiots.
10:00 asciilifeform days before clitler was due to fart ? i have nfi what
10:01 mircea_popescu is fatso's retirement consist of community service in the shape of poorly worded communique's led in by TOKYO (AP) ? because this idiocy smacks very much of same source as item discussed in say http://trilema.com/2013/its-been-an-epic-few-days-what-happened/
10:02 mircea_popescu (note the TOKYO - JAPAN - April 04, 2013 bit)
10:02 * asciilifeform noticed the 'TOKYO'
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10:18 asciilifeform [Global Notice] Sorry for the disruption to services there folk. "Normality" should return shortly. << lol!
10:19 mircea_popescu heh.
10:19 diana_coman the normal normality as opposed to abnormal normality or what
10:20 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-25#1251919 << see also
10:20 a111 Logged on 2015-08-25 18:09 asciilifeform: all of this reminds me of the famous sovderpitude re: phone tap installation
10:28 asciilifeform !~ticker --market all
10:28 jhvh1 asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15600.0, vol: 23604.90390894 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 15322.0, vol: 118683.91581332 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15700.0, vol: 6983.39982265 | Volume-weighted last average: 15383.6450164
10:35 mircea_popescu heh. remember years ago when bitcoin made 1k and it made me a dollar-billionaire in the process ?
10:36 mircea_popescu worked better for me than "surprise : wealth" worked for ers.
10:37 BingoBoingo Well, less surprise for you
10:38 asciilifeform iirc mircea_popescu dun even use money for anyffing, he simply telekinesiates objects into existence...
10:38 BingoBoingo Your surprise was just timing, esr's surprise was the wealth
10:39 mircea_popescu wow, that's a hell of a byline.
10:39 mircea_popescu "there's a difference between the sort of people that are surprised by what happens and the sort of people that are surprised by when it does."
10:39 asciilifeform !#s kinetics disposes
10:39 a111 4 results for "kinetics disposes", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=kinetics%20disposes
10:39 mircea_popescu aha!
10:42 * asciilifeform wonders occasionally re the ultimate pressure limit of the reactor. e.g. a sha256 collision is not cheap, but not infinitely expensive either.
10:46 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744076
10:46 a111 Logged on 2017-11-29 07:17 mircea_popescu: i just hope 100k doesn't happen before new year's.
10:50 * asciilifeform still has no real notion of how, if at all, gox tickers relate to real life
10:56 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ever measure the voltage of a dead watch battery ?
10:56 mircea_popescu consider it this way : the lazy dumb fat women banded together to produce a joint report as to what they think things should be like. they call it "jezbel" or w/e. it keeps changing.
10:56 mircea_popescu the lazy stupid poor "people themselves" banded together to produce a joint report as to how worthless they think everything about them is, in bitcoin terms.
10:56 mircea_popescu they call it "bitcoin price", except it's obviously the dollar price.
10:57 mircea_popescu that's all it is : how little the poor think their shit's worth.
11:00 asciilifeform exchange-rate-as-scalar is as serious a misconception as battery-voltage-as-scalar .
11:00 mircea_popescu "exchange rate" dun enter into this. think of it as a petition on change.org signed by everyone in the herd.
11:01 asciilifeform i.e. a work of dope-addled fiction ?
11:01 asciilifeform why to even bother having the ticker, then
11:01 mircea_popescu "i think 2 bitcents should buy more than just my daughter. like 50x more."
11:01 asciilifeform we dun have a change.org ticker here..
11:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, an item of self-description.
11:01 mircea_popescu "i am not worth a whole bitcoin".
11:03 mircea_popescu that's all it is. voluntary self-denial on the part of the worthless.
11:03 asciilifeform except 'worth of 1 bitcoin' is a defective item conceptually, like 'position of electron'
11:04 mircea_popescu why ? some girls had the sense to peg it, some girls are still waiting. it's the perfect nonperson humiliator, this. "if i hold out my tits will be worth more" "ahahahaha, really ?"
11:04 asciilifeform it's a propagating error, like div0, to include it in a logical chain is fatal, regardless of how correct the rest
11:04 asciilifeform whether it works as a humiliator, or spiked club, or tension wrench, is orthogonal question
11:04 mircea_popescu the funny thing being that it's EXACTLY how everthing else works. you didn't http://trilema.com/2013/whore-strat/ at 15 yo because "school" ? lol. YOU LOST.
11:05 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i dun think i follow. come again ?
11:05 asciilifeform it can work as a humiliator, just as electron can carry out useful work; but just as we do not reference electron's exact position , it is mistake to reference 'worth of bitcoin'
11:06 mircea_popescu about 5 passes of this "it has nothing to do with bitcoin" and it still didn't take or what are we doing here ?
11:06 mircea_popescu IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BITCOIN. the "bitcoin price" is a statement of the worthless herd as to its own perceived worthlessness. bitcoin dun enter into it.
11:07 asciilifeform i'ma ask a different q : what is the ordering function for these statements ? do 4 zeroes worth of 'we are worthless' actually represent a lower bow than 3 ?
11:08 mircea_popescu when some schmuck writes on his employment application "salary sought - $50", this is not a statement on the value of the dollar.
11:08 mircea_popescu it is a statement on the value of the schmuck.
11:08 mircea_popescu same exact principle.
11:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well, as far as the stater is concerned, yes.
11:09 mircea_popescu note that your puppy thinking bringing you a dead weasel is 10x more useful than bringing you your newspaper ; even if your own estimation might diverge.
11:09 asciilifeform lol
11:09 mircea_popescu as far as the puppy is concerned -- deeper bow.
11:09 mircea_popescu as far as wot is concerned, exactly like you say, div0, what the fuck do we care. we knew they're worthless going in.
11:10 asciilifeform but how much truth is there in the statement ? picture if mircea_popescu were to drink a defective batch of rum, and goes with 10k btc to a gox. do you for a moment think that they will come up with 1.5e8 usd that day, to give for it ?
11:10 mircea_popescu there can never be any truth in a statement made by the wotless.
11:10 asciilifeform aha!
11:11 mircea_popescu we're discussing the bleating of sheep here, what fucking truth.
11:11 mircea_popescu it's all feeling.
11:11 mircea_popescu that aside, experimentally BingoBoingo produced a gangster roll out of a btc.
11:12 asciilifeform i suppose expert veterinarian might be able to distinguish 'bleats because indigestion' from 'bleats because inside is half-eaten-up by worms'. but asciilifeform cannot.
11:12 mircea_popescu i don't expect anything changed other than same item now costs .5
11:12 mircea_popescu asciilifeform afaik bleat-scrying is not part of veterinarian training.
11:12 asciilifeform spongiencephalopathy perhaps changed this...
11:12 * asciilifeform does not know.
11:15 asciilifeform phunphakt, Officially Verboten to leave usaschwitz with more than 10k usd 'gangster roll'. so today to carry 1btc's worth of green candywrapper requires arse capsule or similar.
11:15 mircea_popescu see ?
11:16 asciilifeform at some point 'nonlinear' effect begins : consider the difficulty of liquidating a coupla kg of au ( for nonspecialist. ) or for that matter, pu.
11:16 mircea_popescu you keep thinking in these fiat-anchored terms, as fucking if that's how it worked.
11:16 mircea_popescu you can never liquidate it, BECAUSE THERE IS NOT WHAT FOR.
11:17 mircea_popescu you can get everything you want for some pennies.
11:17 asciilifeform for so long as you only want items worth pennies, neh
11:17 mircea_popescu bitcoin penny.
11:17 asciilifeform right
11:17 mircea_popescu "that aside, experimentally BingoBoingo produced a gangster roll out of a btc. i don't expect anything changed other than same item now costs .5" << you get THE ITEM THAT IS. for ever less btc.
11:17 mircea_popescu you can't get TWO because there... aren't... two.
11:18 mircea_popescu all you can get is the whole world, and it costs ever less btc, seeing how the "rate" has to also account for everyone's dreams.
11:18 mircea_popescu which is what the bleaters are importing into bitcoin : their own WoWoW outlook. soon bitcoin "marketcap" will exceed all extant assets. because it has to. because they;'re idiots.
11:18 asciilifeform well not whole world, but $coin/22e6 's cut.
11:27 diana_coman is there some documented process re how to create with V basically a new project that will contain as *internal* components derivations of existing projects? for example: eucrypt will have inside an mpi component; as seen earlier, I can patch mpi directly, but then how do I include the result in a higher structure? can I even do it while preserving the links? (I guess it would mean that resulting project has effectively 2 roots: one the ge
11:27 diana_coman nesis of eucrypt itself and one the genesis of mpi)
11:28 asciilifeform diana_coman: let's carefully specify the question: what means 'internal'
11:28 asciilifeform and 'inside'
11:28 asciilifeform you are using gcc for a linker, neh. it takes arbitrary paths ( observe how i did it in ffa ch.1, it was deliberately illustrative )
11:29 mircea_popescu so how do i patch mpi to become eucrypt/mpi ?
11:30 diana_coman asciilifeform, I can compile it certainly wherever it is; but can I press with V eucrypt with eucrypt/mpi and eucrypt/serpent let's say?
11:30 asciilifeform that part isn't puzzling, it's a straight patch on top of second_cut
11:31 diana_coman hm, I thought I need a/mpi b/mpi ; can I have ..what, a/mpi and b/eucrypt/mpi?
11:31 asciilifeform diana_coman: in the contemplated example, are eucrypt/mpi and eucrypt/serpent plug-in alternatives for each other ?
11:31 diana_coman no, separate parts that eucrypt uses
11:32 asciilifeform there are fundamentally 2 ways to go about using a vtronic item as a component in another. one is to subsume it into your own
11:32 asciilifeform so in that case it is a linear parent ( grandparent etc ) of your item.
11:33 asciilifeform the other is to preserve the two lineages as separate, but to link your item against e.g. mpi.a , and to insert the latter's hash into your vtree, to proclaim the linkage -- as i did with the binariola schematic jpegs in FG genesis.
11:34 asciilifeform iirc mircea_popescu expressed a strong preference for the ~former~ approach, at one point
11:34 asciilifeform asciilifeform prefers the latter. but this is a fundamental sort of decision, i'd ask mircea_popescu , it's his proggy
11:34 asciilifeform it is exceedingly difficult to revise this kind of thing at a later time.
11:35 asciilifeform i'll add only that imho it matters just how strongly-coupled your outer proggy is with the library
11:36 asciilifeform if loosely -- continuation of parallel v-lineages could make sense. if tightly -- marry'em.
11:37 asciilifeform ftr i have no intention of amending mpi myself . if at some time i discover a new kochism therein, i will vdiff against diana_coman's mpi-containing entity
11:39 asciilifeform ( what was asciilifeform going to do with mpi ? there was plan, for 1 further cut, of the logger and the allocator. but i put it in cold storage when began work on ffa . )
11:40 diana_coman asciilifeform, can you work me through the steps to "subsume it into your own"? I don't yet see clearly what that is
11:42 asciilifeform it means that you simply lift the code from the press.
11:42 asciilifeform when drawn in phf's viewer, this will appear as a graph with two genesisen. which mircea_popescu seems to have allergy for, for some reason. but there is nothing outrageous mechanically about it.
11:43 asciilifeform the important aspect is to avoid the mistake asciilifeform made early on in vtronic era, with 'tinyscheme' proggy
11:43 asciilifeform where the linkage was ~not~ mechanically clear, because it appeared merely as a set of external symbols inside trb, rather than a proper lift of the files
11:45 asciilifeform draw how you want the graph to look. and only then make the diffs. not vice-versa.
11:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform preference or no preference it'll have to be reground
11:47 asciilifeform i'ma make a small cartoon example, brb
11:47 mircea_popescu because having projects incorrectly structured in directories is suicidal.
11:48 mircea_popescu diana_coman you'd make a new genesis, for eucrypt, and patch it with mpi. this patch will share no .sigs with the other mpi it is text-identical to
11:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what two genesises ?
11:49 trinque with the giant netsplit earlier, I'm skeptical it's the host.
11:49 asciilifeform naturally if yer simply gonna unzip and piss over the vtronic aspect where nobody has to hand-diff 300kB of liquishit -- then yes you dun have 2 genesis.
11:49 diana_coman at some point it seemed it was only me and scriba in chan, lol
11:49 trinque thing's been on that host for months now
11:49 asciilifeform you have instead 300kb of liquishit that seemingly appeared out of thin air.
11:49 mircea_popescu trinque do i unban it ?
11:49 asciilifeform and that you are now responsible for as if you had written it.
11:50 trinque mircea_popescu: I'll peek at logs real quick, then let ya know. it hasn't reconnected since the netsplit
11:50 mircea_popescu kk.
11:51 mircea_popescu it's not altogether clear with me if this discussion unearthed a fundamental bug in v design whereby we have no good way to import projects.
11:51 mircea_popescu why the fuck exactly can't i move project/a to master/project/a through a patch ?
11:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu, diana_coman if every single patch you release is a genesis ( i.e. previously existing items are lifted with paste ) then you may as well simply publish signed tarballs, you are not actually using v
11:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you can: diff ~the patch~
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11:52 asciilifeform you end up with easily readable patch consisting of changed dirs.
11:52 mircea_popescu so then why can't she simply move the mpi/ dir into eucrypt/mpi/ and proceed ?
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11:52 asciilifeform she can. i simply just nao thought of it, lol.
11:53 asciilifeform was gonna instead have long painful argument re structures that goes nowhere!111
11:53 mircea_popescu doh.
11:53 asciilifeform but nao dunhaveto.
11:53 mircea_popescu diana_coman ^ that solve it ?
11:54 diana_coman well yes, that was my initial proposal and question "is it possible?" ; if yes, then all nice and cool
11:54 mircea_popescu it'd better be fucking possible because the alternative is madness.
11:54 mircea_popescu as one man said to another once, "if the design impedes you, this will be no problem, as we'll fucking make a new design"
11:54 * diana_coman will attempt it with some time to spare
11:55 asciilifeform i'd volunteer to make this surgery but doesn't mg have programming folx on retainer..
11:56 asciilifeform make'em do it.
11:56 asciilifeform pretty straightforward op.
11:56 asciilifeform for that matter, order'em to make the 'make' clean properly. also straightforward op. what kind of people cannot set up a make.
11:58 asciilifeform programmers see kindness as weakness, diana_coman . borrow a spiked bat from mircea_popescu , it will work wonders.
12:01 asciilifeform meanwhile in heathendom : http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2017/12/07/1 >> '...Debian switch from gpg1 to gpg2... After getting gpg and agent running, I noticed, that not reliably stopping the gpg-agent on initrd would introduce a private key data leak via /proc from early boot process to running system when stopping fails...' and,
12:01 asciilifeform '...we found out, that the specification of the "--s2k-count" parameter, which specifies the number of rounds of key deriviation function to unlock the private key, has changed from gpgv1 to gpgv2, so that it is ignored in gpg2 but does not cause any warning or error.'
12:02 asciilifeform and various other lulz.
12:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: eventually we are gonna need a sane replacement for unix diff/patch. one that not only has e.g. selectable hashtronics but knows what movement and deletion of files is
12:05 asciilifeform ( unix diff pointedly does not, interprets it as vanishment-into and reappearance-from thin air )
12:06 asciilifeform asciilifeform complained repeatedly about this from aug 2015 and onward.
12:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes. the stub is in log, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747792
12:07 a111 Logged on 2017-12-06 22:51 mircea_popescu: once we have keccak.
12:08 asciilifeform right
12:08 asciilifeform there was at least 1 other thread about braindamage of classical diff
12:10 trinque hm, nope, this one's on me.
12:10 trinque backup script piled on and exhausted db connections.
12:10 trinque mircea_popescu: I've fixed this, can unban
12:10 mircea_popescu a kk
12:10 mircea_popescu now to figure out how this is done
12:11 mircea_popescu trinque lessee ?
12:12 diana_coman asciilifeform, sigs for your genesis + second cut patches are included at http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/07/introducing-eucrypt/
12:12 diana_coman feel free to host them too, obv
12:13 asciilifeform ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595796 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596582 << a few old threads , for folx thinking about diff )
12:13 a111 Logged on 2017-01-03 21:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a problem yeah. will however have to be bit, wtf else to do.
12:13 a111 Logged on 2017-01-05 00:24 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'll suggest a 'p-tronic' format for diffs. N\........ specifies N retained-of-a octets (e.g., 5\abcde )
12:13 asciilifeform diana_coman: ty ! i'ma link to yours.
12:16 deedbot http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/07/introducing-eucrypt/ << Ossasepia - Introducing EuCrypt
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12:16 mircea_popescu diana_coman could the patches be actually inline and not merely reference ?
12:17 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1533 diana_coman updated
12:18 diana_coman mircea_popescu, they could, there's no question there; but they are text as it is, not sure what the big gain is (and it would end up in a very long thing)
12:18 diana_coman more like forcing one to see them I guess
12:22 asciilifeform i do regret having used name 'sane-mpi', there is very little sane about it except strictly in contrast with the original material
12:22 asciilifeform every single numerical operation, including addition, time-leaks.
12:27 mircea_popescu diana_coman well, for readability.
12:30 diana_coman asciilifeform, aha; well, sane-by-comparison to the clusterfuck that is whole GnuPG (I DID go through THAT too initially)
12:31 mircea_popescu diana_coman i don't mean re this, necessarily. mpi as an import is one thing
12:31 mircea_popescu but in general.
12:32 diana_coman mircea_popescu, ah, in general it will be, yes; this is quite particular as it is a rather big block of not-totally-sane code that is imported basically
12:32 diana_coman in general the discussion will also stick much closer to the code
12:37 asciilifeform in other lulz, https://www.bitfinex.com/stats << shitfinex. notice anything missing ?
12:38 asciilifeform !~ticker --market all
12:38 jhvh1 asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14892.98, vol: 26297.00100513 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14594.03517343, vol: 131294.16683905 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14883.2, vol: 7539.76790032 | Volume-weighted last average: 14654.8450274
12:39 asciilifeform https://archive.is/4WFbp << for posterity.
12:39 asciilifeform ^ loox like they've quit selling btc...
12:39 asciilifeform ( or exhausted supply )
12:40 asciilifeform other goxes ( e.g. shitstamp ) having... technical difficulties
12:41 asciilifeform ( e.g. the latter currently displaying a suspiciously round '15000.00' )
12:44 asciilifeform https://archive.is/D6quD << blockchain.info . eggog.
12:45 asciilifeform and nao shitfinex brings back btc/usd pair, at same '15000.00'
12:45 asciilifeform appears on every odd load..
12:46 asciilifeform this is hilarious, you can watch their hand-fudging in real time
12:46 asciilifeform aaaaand it's gone.
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13:05 ben_vulpes https://www.cbsnews.com/news/parents-of-tampa-serial-killing-suspect-refuse-to-answer-questions/ << refusing to answer questions is contempt of court!
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13:06 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: hey, недонесение is a crime in this here reich
13:07 ben_vulpes everything is a crime
13:08 asciilifeform '"We're not only trying to build a case against the defendant, we're trying to ask the broader question of why - a question that the victims' families and the community deserves' << prettygreat
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13:08 asciilifeform didjaknow, courts are for 'broader questions'
13:08 asciilifeform 'Unlike some states, Florida has no law establishing "parent-child privilege," which would keep communications between them confidential' << interesting detail.
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13:08 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> that aside, experimentally BingoBoingo produced a gangster roll out of a btc. << very doable for BingoBoingo in el estados unidos
13:09 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> phunphakt, Officially Verboten to leave usaschwitz with more than 10k usd 'gangster roll'. so today to carry 1btc's worth of green candywrapper requires arse capsule or similar. << Nah, declare it and your affinity for gambling
13:09 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: didja do this via localbitcoins hand2hand?
13:09 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> "that aside, experimentally BingoBoingo produced a gangster roll out of a btc. i don't expect anything changed other than same item now costs .5" << you get THE ITEM THAT IS. for ever less btc. << And there's the pain of the experiment
13:09 asciilifeform ( which, exactly , 'confidentiality privilege' remain ? iirc spouse-privilege was Officially cancelled, unhappened. ditto doctor, and attourney )
13:10 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: if you declare suitcase-with-million, you won't leave the airport. not on own legs.
13:11 asciilifeform if you declare e.g. 50k , you might leave, but it will be documented, and exactly same thing as doing bank wire, with none of the up-side
13:13 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Done via a reliable route
13:13 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: if you declare suitcase-with-million, you won't leave the airport. not on own legs. << This is why picasos are a thing
13:14 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> if you declare e.g. 50k , you might leave, but it will be documented, and exactly same thing as doing bank wire, with none of the up-side << if you leave at all, documented
13:14 asciilifeform meanwhile shitfinex : 'Over the last few days, we were hit by a mixture of huge real customer demand for deposits & withdrawals, at the same time as we experienced ddos in the form of malicious microdeposits and withdrawals (a heavily funded attack). On top of this, both the Ethereum and Bitcoin networks were under high congestion (blame the kittens, not us.)...'
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13:14 asciilifeform malicious microdeposits!! (tm)(r) didjaknow.
13:15 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i can't speak for others, but picasso dun fit in my arse
13:15 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: nobody counted my sub-10k when i left.
13:16 BingoBoingo Not in arse, in suitcase. You declare the art as art worth ? and package it to match ?
13:16 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: No one counted my sub 10k either
13:16 asciilifeform the art thing would be considerably more interesting if picasso were actually a bearer instrument
13:16 asciilifeform it so happens that it is not.
13:17 BingoBoingo Picaso is negotiable bearer instrument
13:17 asciilifeform ( http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-22#1249066 << thread )
13:17 a111 Logged on 2015-08-22 22:03 mircea_popescu: well the entire contention was the strange notion that peasant who "finds" vermeer and "has always had it in family" should get to keep it.
13:18 asciilifeform if i had to decide whether to find a picasso, or to be side swiped by a garbage truck, it would not be easy choice
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13:18 asciilifeform the prognosis is, as i understand, similar.
13:19 BingoBoingo Well, you negotiate ahead of time whatever token is your picasso
13:19 * BingoBoingo bakes latest walk up
13:19 asciilifeform at any rate, removal of picassos / particle accelerators / similar from a failing inca empire is a specialist's work
13:19 asciilifeform not a standard mode of moving moneys
13:21 ben_vulpes !!up ate
13:21 asciilifeform !!up ate
13:21 deedbot ate voiced for 30 minutes.
13:21 deedbot ate voiced for 30 minutes.
13:21 asciilifeform ate what ?
13:21 ben_vulpes *another* three char nick?
13:22 ate shit sorry, logged in incorrectly
13:34 asciilifeform ate: esthlos (~user@75-147-20-126-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #trilema <<< >>> ate (~user@173-166-14-190-newengland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #trilema << you ?
13:36 ate asciilifeform Please excuse this noob, but I've been reading through your website over the past week or two. Creating a sane computing environment has been an interest of mine for a while, and most of my effots have been following the work of Alan Kay. Eventually, as I believe you have, I learned about the beautiful Lisp Machines, and am very interested in working to create modern versions.
13:36 ate asciilifeform: yes
13:37 ate asciilifeform: salt mine worker on lunch break
13:37 asciilifeform ate: read, enjoy.
13:37 asciilifeform ate: i recommend to read the logs also. http://btcbase.org/log and see subj line of this chan.
13:38 asciilifeform ate: consider registering a pgp key with deedbot
13:38 asciilifeform !!help
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13:40 ate asciilifeform: Thanks
13:44 ate !!wot
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14:20 phf !!key diana_coman
14:20 deedbot http://wot.deedbot.org/E72DCCB73A5E06694C5CD781D5196EE6390F999E.asc
14:24 phf diana_coman: your mpi_second_cut.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig links to http://dianacoman.com/vpatches/mpi-genesis.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig
14:38 diana_coman phf, fixed, thank you!
14:39 BingoBoingo Buenas tardes todos gente http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/07/the-midwestern-rube-visits-la-rambla/
14:43 phf http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/P1000031-768x576.jpg if not for palms could be any of moscow's "sleeping" neighborhoods
14:44 BingoBoingo That is nearly as central as central gets, the border of Buceo y Pocitos
14:45 BingoBoingo Now there's a neighborhood called Centro that has yet to interest me, but it will likely be crossed on the way to the old city.
14:49 asciilifeform phf: or in the sad part of timis.
14:54 asciilifeform plebewarehouses look ~same everywhere, apparently.
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15:24 * BingoBoingo unsure any part of Montevideo is too sad, other than the listing boat
15:27 phf diana_coman: fyi http://btcbase.org/patches/sane_mpi_eucrypt
15:37 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
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15:38 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15300.0, vol: 26432.63469383 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 15414.0, vol: 141984.24093821 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15475.1, vol: 7657.96024159 | Volume-weighted last average: 15399.5435391
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15:38 BingoBoingo !~ticker
15:38 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15419.0, Best ask: 15420.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 15425.0, 24 hour volume: 141980.38473187, 24 hour low: 12851.0, 24 hour high: 15820.0, 24 hour vwap: None
15:39 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: when i say 'sad', i suppose oughta elaborate, 'sad' ~= 'dun look like habsburgs would live here'
15:39 asciilifeform timis has at least 1 sadsector, in that sense.
15:39 asciilifeform ~100% of usa is sad.
15:39 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Apparently you haven't seen the castles the Busch family built with their soda swill revenues
15:40 asciilifeform i dun much go in for cardboard castles, BingoBoingo
15:40 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well poured concrete usually
15:42 hanbot la plata's northern side looks to be in better (but not by much) shape than arg's
15:42 diana_coman phf, thanks!
15:45 BingoBoingo hanbot: I hear they clean less in the off season. Today while exploring spotted many crews engaged in cleaning.
15:46 BingoBoingo New construction, yes, cleaning yes, routine maintenance... not seen yet.
15:49 hanbot I don't recall ever seeing cleaning crews near the river. or anywhere other than the esquinas of convenience stores. anyway, if they're anything like their southern neighbors ~everyone you meet will warn you about pickpockets/bag snatchers, to the degree someone who doesn't offer such warnings is by that sign a potential friend ;)
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15:50 BingoBoingo Ah, last nights venezualans mentioned they were very surprised by the number of cautions versus their experience
15:51 BingoBoingo The venezualans are, like myself, economic refugees
15:53 BingoBoingo How ever gansta roll comes with gangsta responsibilities, so had to break friendly gringo face momentarily for the scooter dork
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15:54 BingoBoingo Meanwhile http://en.mercopress.com/2017/12/01/cristina-fernandez-appeal-rejected-money-laundering-and-criminal-conspiracy-case-goes-forward
15:55 mircea_popescu "case". yes, political judgemens not deterred by complaint by victim.
15:56 BingoBoingo Apparently she's a Senator now.
15:56 mircea_popescu iirc as a result of being president ever.
15:57 mircea_popescu anyway, the pretense of argentina, in all fields, is nothing short of hysterical. they lose a sub, 100% through being TOTAL FUCKTARDS. they act as if adult country had some sort of problem ; as if people on it were qualified -- not to run a sub, but to run a dishwasher and so on.
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15:58 BingoBoingo As far as I can tell so far Uruguay lacks politics as understood by a middle western rube. Instead it has operations discusions concerning things like cleaning la playas.
15:58 mircea_popescu confusing argentina for a country is not unlike confusing puppy for a baby -- ie something only uninformed fat old women could do.
15:58 BingoBoingo Ah, I am pretty sure my 7 roommates at the hostel are argentine. I have talked to none of them yet because they are either sleeping or absent.
15:58 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo oddly enough latinos don't really believe in "how about you doin't dirty las playas in the first place".
15:59 BingoBoingo I really have to work on my camera speed, a trash donkey was spotted twice.
15:59 BingoBoingo North of Montevideo Shopping and then traveling past the cowork
16:00 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748215 << lmao trhey finally dfid away with the 5th ?
16:00 a111 Logged on 2017-12-07 18:05 ben_vulpes: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/parents-of-tampa-serial-killing-suspect-refuse-to-answer-questions/ << refusing to answer questions is contempt of court!
16:00 mircea_popescu "oh, we are currently fibbing about you have immunity, therefore your constitutional protection is null and void, cuz that's how constitutions work now, therefore... oh what do you mean we'll change our mind later ? OF COURSE! you don't understand how the world works ?!"
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16:01 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748218 << because you suck. next question.
16:01 a111 Logged on 2017-12-07 18:08 asciilifeform: '"We're not only trying to build a case against the defendant, we're trying to ask the broader question of why - a question that the victims' families and the community deserves' << prettygreat
16:02 mircea_popescu cat would rather burn down the house than live in washing machine ; and normal human being would rather crack the earth into a trillio nshards than live in the "united states" pantsuit has imagined. what's so hard about this ?
16:02 ben_vulpes "incriminating self", lolfcorse
16:02 mircea_popescu what defies reason is how anyone can NOT go on a rampage shooting random people, bombing government buildings and setting toddlers afire in old tyres over there.
16:03 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/the-crime-of-being-american/ << 5 years old.
16:04 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748220 << makes exactly 0 difference. typical pantsuit move, pick irrelevant detail, try and make it stick.
16:04 a111 Logged on 2017-12-07 18:08 asciilifeform: 'Unlike some states, Florida has no law establishing "parent-child privilege," which would keep communications between them confidential' << interesting detail.
16:05 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748231 << don't tell me, usg-run "exchange" periodically "victim of own success", as usg imagines this to go.
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16:05 a111 Logged on 2017-12-07 18:14 asciilifeform: meanwhile shitfinex : 'Over the last few days, we were hit by a mixture of huge real customer demand for deposits & withdrawals, at the same time as we experienced ddos in the form of malicious microdeposits and withdrawals (a heavily funded attack). On top of this, both the Ethereum and Bitcoin networks were under high congestion (blame the kittens, not us.)...'
16:07 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748242 << eh get out, when did you see garbage truck go faster than maybe 10 km/h
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16:07 a111 Logged on 2017-12-07 18:18 asciilifeform: if i had to decide whether to find a picasso, or to be side swiped by a garbage truck, it would not be easy choice
16:11 BingoBoingo Eh, they go on the interstate back in home country en route to landfill
16:11 mircea_popescu he walks the highways of his native land ?
16:14 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748296 << never truer words were spoken.
16:14 a111 Logged on 2017-12-07 20:53 BingoBoingo: How ever gansta roll comes with gangsta responsibilities, so had to break friendly gringo face momentarily for the scooter dork
16:14 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, not since I sobered up
16:14 mircea_popescu :p
16:16 BingoBoingo Anyways, right now I am being the friendliest gringo TMSR could retain as an ambassor. Leaning heavily on dumb gringo stereotype while calibrating listen and write heads to the local Castellano and screening potential contacts
16:19 mircea_popescu cool.
16:22 BingoBoingo I figure I have to use the advantage while it lasts.
16:22 BingoBoingo brb, sober time... en Castellano!
~ 49 minutes ~
17:12 ben_vulpes kirchner facing treason charges: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/argentine-ex-president-cristina-fernandez-charged-with-treason/2017/12/07/e3e326e0-db80-11e7-a241-0848315642d0_story.html
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17:14 ben_vulpes pantsuits are on the case: ...[the judge] is under investigation over allegations of money laundering and illicit enrichment, with some critics suggesting that he may be targeting Fernandez's (sic?) as a smokescreen"
17:15 mircea_popescu and in further "i can't believe that shit still exists" lulz, coupled with "here comes the self-eating shit sandwich", http://perezhilton.com/2017-12-07-melanie-martinez-rape-accusation-fan-merch
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17:17 mircea_popescu oh and in "social media was invented to entertain me" reprints, me : how goes it ? 19yo f iowa : "dying inside casually. you ?" me : "here's yachting pics."
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17:48 asciilifeform 'dying inside casually' << wat
17:49 * asciilifeform does not know how to parse $item
17:49 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748321 << i take it they dun have hills where mircea_popescu lives
17:49 a111 Logged on 2017-12-07 21:07 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748242 << eh get out, when did you see garbage truck go faster than maybe 10 km/h
17:50 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748333 << loox like she'll have to take another contract on another prosecutor eh
17:50 a111 Logged on 2017-12-07 22:12 ben_vulpes: kirchner facing treason charges: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/argentine-ex-president-cristina-fernandez-charged-with-treason/2017/12/07/e3e326e0-db80-11e7-a241-0848315642d0_story.html
17:51 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748335 << waitasec isn't she a she ? 'rapist' ?
17:51 a111 Logged on 2017-12-07 22:15 mircea_popescu: and in further "i can't believe that shit still exists" lulz, coupled with "here comes the self-eating shit sandwich", http://perezhilton.com/2017-12-07-melanie-martinez-rape-accusation-fan-merch
17:52 asciilifeform she dun look like a toiletplunger wielder, either
17:53 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748319 << i dunno what exactly a gox with an empty btc tank looks like, but i suspect it looks not unlike today's shitfinex
17:53 a111 Logged on 2017-12-07 21:05 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748231 << don't tell me, usg-run "exchange" periodically "victim of own success", as usg imagines this to go.
17:54 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748310 << would be interesting to learn whether linked item is first case of its kind, or 9000th
17:54 a111 Logged on 2017-12-07 21:00 mircea_popescu: "oh, we are currently fibbing about you have immunity, therefore your constitutional protection is null and void, cuz that's how constitutions work now, therefore... oh what do you mean we'll change our mind later ? OF COURSE! you don't understand how the world works ?!"
17:54 asciilifeform the only other one i can immediately think of is flynn. but that's recent.
17:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i dunno, hipster chicks these days
17:56 mircea_popescu she thought the conversation was going to be about her or something.
17:56 asciilifeform yea but 'dying inside', wat
17:57 asciilifeform wai such 'emo'.
17:58 mircea_popescu nfi.
17:58 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748301 << until hearing of this owngoal, asciilifeform had not the faintest notion that argentines ~had~ a sub
17:58 a111 Logged on 2017-12-07 20:57 mircea_popescu: anyway, the pretense of argentina, in all fields, is nothing short of hysterical. they lose a sub, 100% through being TOTAL FUCKTARDS. they act as if adult country had some sort of problem ; as if people on it were qualified -- not to run a sub, but to run a dishwasher and so on.
17:58 mircea_popescu some old diesel shit.
17:58 asciilifeform and i'ma guess was su surplus
17:58 mircea_popescu they used it to spy on fishing boats.
17:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha.
17:58 asciilifeform seems a bit overkill neh
17:59 mircea_popescu the only way to correctly represent argentina, joint or several, is by thinking of the dumbest whore you can possibly imagine.
17:59 mircea_popescu they didn't get it for a purpose. they got it because they think owning subs is how you further the pretense of countryhood.
17:59 mircea_popescu argentina is === sealand.
17:59 asciilifeform hey usa is scaled-up version of same item
17:59 mircea_popescu like every dumbass getting a mortgage "because everyone is".
18:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes, but usa is dumb kid of rich parents.
18:00 mircea_popescu argentina... oy vey.
18:00 asciilifeform ar is dumb grandkid of modestly loaded grandparent eh
18:00 mircea_popescu i don't think i ever met an argentine who had any money. at all. ever.
18:00 mircea_popescu yes but what's that do.
18:01 asciilifeform dunno, i saw 'sofas' there that hadn't 'gone to the oven' yet
18:01 asciilifeform e.g. they could sell passports to usa inmates
18:01 asciilifeform or flats. or.
18:02 mircea_popescu i dunno how to break this to you, but "money" is here defined as > 1 gangster rolls.
18:02 mircea_popescu im sure they have epsilon. guess what, so does my staffordshire terrier.
18:02 asciilifeform 'the title to something worthless can always be monetized by making it even more worthless' or how did it go.
18:03 asciilifeform like zhirinovsky's idea of how latvia should make buxxorz -- store fission wastes.
18:04 asciilifeform btw i keep resisting but now gotta ask, how big exactly is a 'gangstaroll' ? when i went to ro i was able to pack a coupla kilobux , is all that will comfortably fold in normal human wallet
18:06 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748296 << i initially misread as 'had to break friendly gringo's face'
18:06 a111 Logged on 2017-12-07 20:53 BingoBoingo: How ever gansta roll comes with gangsta responsibilities, so had to break friendly gringo face momentarily for the scooter dork
18:07 asciilifeform and was thinking 'whose face did BingoBoingo have to break for what scooterdork...'
18:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform real gangsters use clips.
18:07 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748293 << in ro, zookeeper admonished asciilifeform's pet for letting her passport be seen in the daylight, with 'helpful' pantomime of purse-snatcher dancing away with it
18:07 a111 Logged on 2017-12-07 20:49 hanbot: I don't recall ever seeing cleaning crews near the river. or anywhere other than the esquinas of convenience stores. anyway, if they're anything like their southern neighbors ~everyone you meet will warn you about pickpockets/bag snatchers, to the degree someone who doesn't offer such warnings is by that sign a potential friend ;)
18:08 mircea_popescu wallets are for pussies.
18:09 mircea_popescu a man sized clip will hold a whole brick (ie, 100 bills, 50k eur or 10k usd or 5mn colones or w/e), unfolded.
18:09 asciilifeform sounds conspicuous-at-airport tho.
18:09 mircea_popescu hey. they did want to count mine when i landed. i... didn't cooperate (but i did let them watch while i did, so there was that)
18:10 mircea_popescu but anyway, part of gangster notion is that conspicuous is other people's problem.
18:10 asciilifeform i almost expected mircea_popescu to say 'what airport, i have own diplomatic pouch system'
18:11 asciilifeform 'why would i carry money, i just put it in glove box in the tank'
18:13 mircea_popescu flying tank ?
18:17 asciilifeform flies on the antonov, naturally.
18:18 mircea_popescu anyway, the us is pretty ridiculous. upscale dinner for two can readily run you a grand or two, yet none of the walkers have that much on them.
18:18 asciilifeform eating what, baby panda ?
18:19 mircea_popescu what happens if you run into http://trilema.com/2014/the-romanian-language-for-other-people/ "hey babe wait right here i gotta spend an hour queuing at the bank" ?
18:19 asciilifeform or does the figure include plane ticket to a place with actual food
18:19 mircea_popescu most starred restaurants are a few hundy to maybe a grand a plate.
18:20 mircea_popescu i get it, you don't powerlunch there every day. but if you run into a gal that takes your breath away... wouldn't it be the proper time ?
18:20 asciilifeform few hundy i saw. grand -- not yet, these are probably the ones where you gotta know somebody, knock on the unmarked door five times etc
18:20 mircea_popescu im not even sure how they run it stateside anymoar, for lack of much caring.
18:21 asciilifeform hey i dun have any ideological problem with 'kilobuck restaurant', i spend similar sum on e.g. hdds regularly
18:21 asciilifeform i just have nfi what drug would have to take to want to pay kilobux for americana
18:21 mircea_popescu that's not the problem ; the problem (esp in the "western" world ) is that it'll still be sysco.
18:21 asciilifeform right!
18:21 mircea_popescu hence my lack of caring.
18:23 asciilifeform kilobuxxor per biped buys a weekend trip to ro, ftr, and several doses of RealPhood
18:24 asciilifeform ( granted not on the 1stclass deck with comfy sofa bed. but -- buys. )
18:24 mircea_popescu someone should actually make a strippers-and-roman-banquet airline.
18:25 asciilifeform i'll subscribe.
18:25 mircea_popescu .7 attendants per passenger, "no means yes, of course" as company policy, and they feed you grapes manually.
18:25 asciilifeform lol
18:25 mircea_popescu sell the tickets for 10k or w/e, it'll be more than the strippers make anyway.
18:25 asciilifeform i think they already have a 10k. but without stripper.
18:25 mircea_popescu bout 10% of the 3bn male population would save to go just to be able to say "Went"
18:25 asciilifeform lol, like mecca
18:25 mircea_popescu quite.
18:26 asciilifeform did 'concord' have strippers ?
18:26 mircea_popescu talk about "efficient market hypothesis". this is A LOT more in demand than pink ipad covers, for instance. "oh but mp, pink ipad covers aren't illegal!" o ya ? ALSO more in demand than cocaine.
18:26 mircea_popescu nobody does a line for any other reason than to THINK they're there. so make it a reality, more margin that way.
18:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform concord passage never cost 10k either.
18:27 asciilifeform how in-demand ~is~ cocaine anyway
18:27 mircea_popescu bout a trillion a year's worth or so.
18:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: iirc last set of tickets was 20k ea. or sumthinglikethat
18:27 mircea_popescu well, "last set". i'm not talking collector cunt here.
18:27 mircea_popescu "nrfb" is not a positive for women.
18:27 asciilifeform nrfb?
18:28 mircea_popescu !~google nrfb
18:28 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Dexter's Laboratory NRFB - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D6PrRUKFcnPM>; What does MIB ~ NIB ~ NRFB ~ NOS~MIBS mean? | eBay: <http://www.ebay.com/gds/What-does-MIB-NIB-NRFB-NOS-MIBS-mean-/10000000003599297/g.html>; What does NRFB mean? - NRFB Definition - Meaning of NRFB ...: <https://www.internetslang.com/NRFB-meaning-definition.asp>
18:28 mircea_popescu a-ha! dexter's lab! win!
18:28 asciilifeform aaa
18:39 asciilifeform http://www.lamentiraestaahifuera.com/2014/06/26/los-desmayos-de-heidemarie-stefanyshyn-piper << in other lulz-found-via-trilema
18:39 asciilifeform 'Heidemarie Stefanyshyn-Piper es capitán de la Armada norteamericana, ingeniero, y por dos veces parte de la tripulación de misiones del Shuttle. Pero Heidemarie no es famosa por poseer este impresionante currículo. Lo es por haber perdido una bolsa de herramientas en la misión STS-126 y por haberse desmayado dos veces en la rueda de prensa que dio la tripulación del STS-115 (su primera misión) nada más aterrizar.'
18:40 mircea_popescu at first i thought made up name
18:41 asciilifeform i also thought!
18:42 asciilifeform gotta wonder, did she marry an equally sad ru engineer or wat
18:42 asciilifeform whence the hyphenated monstrosity
18:45 mircea_popescu i don't expect the hyphenating kind would put the husband first.
18:45 mircea_popescu she married some idiotic lawyer turned lobbyist by the name piper
18:45 asciilifeform goodpoint
18:48 asciilifeform !~ticker --market all
18:48 jhvh1 asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 16409.02, vol: 25474.86335949 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 16474.0, vol: 141098.84766335 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15899.8, vol: 7775.86941449 | Volume-weighted last average: 16438.8966128
18:50 asciilifeform lol the goxes forgot to agree on a magicnumber
19:03 mircea_popescu seems within 1% neh ?
19:03 asciilifeform not since i saw http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748279
19:03 a111 Logged on 2017-12-07 20:37 BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
19:03 asciilifeform err, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748280
19:03 a111 Logged on 2017-12-07 20:38 jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15300.0, vol: 26432.63469383 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 15414.0, vol: 141984.24093821 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15475.1, vol: 7657.96024159 | Volume-weighted last average: 15399.5435391
19:05 asciilifeform or the goxes, ah. 16409.02 vs 15899.8 is not 'in 1%'
19:06 mircea_popescu 15300 vs 15414 ?
19:06 asciilifeform it yes
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19:40 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> oh and in "social media was invented to entertain me" reprints, me : how goes it ? 19yo f iowa : "dying inside casually. you ?" me : "here's yachting pics." << win
19:41 mircea_popescu im vaguely wondering what a 2000 born iowan even makes of a boat pic.
19:42 mircea_popescu all these kids born after the world went to shit. "vhs america" indeed.
19:43 asciilifeform not as if typical 1990s usainmate ever went on boat.
19:43 asciilifeform or 80s, or prior.
19:43 mircea_popescu back before 2001/1990s/bush/etc happened, the remnants of "male culture" were actually headed towards a boaty paradise, i suspect.
19:44 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> btw i keep resisting but now gotta ask, how big exactly is a 'gangstaroll' ? when i went to ro i was able to pack a coupla kilobux , is all that will comfortably fold in normal human wallet << I packed $20 bills for convenience
19:44 mircea_popescu but then they got deskilled a little and well...
19:44 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo not so smart ; outside of us nobody ever uses anything other than 100s
19:44 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform real gangsters use clips. << rubber bands, hence roll
19:44 asciilifeform i distinctly recalled mircea_popescu wrote this, and went through some bother to obtain Troo Benjies
19:44 mircea_popescu argentina had a 5-10% fine for having not-100s.
19:45 mircea_popescu uruguay maybe not. but still, the general idea is... 20s are for inzeks. 100s are for outzeks.
19:45 asciilifeform ro moneychangers waltzed'em through 3 kinds of magical voodoo box, in disbelief, before disgorging orcbux
19:45 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> sounds conspicuous-at-airport tho. << for flight were flay stacked in obvious blue vinyl banker's bag
19:46 trinque asciilifeform: what? I spent big chunks of youth idle time with my dad trying to kill me behind a boat.
19:46 mircea_popescu ahaha
19:46 asciilifeform trinque: yer not a typical inmate tho, neh
19:46 mircea_popescu he's a typical texan.
19:46 mircea_popescu not everyone is from the littoral shitholes.
19:46 trinque I guess yeah, texan thing. dad would get drunk all day, try to murder the kids on a tether behind boat.
19:46 asciilifeform from this 1 sentence, for instance, we learn that trinque had a father. my current understanding is that typical usa children do not, they grow up bastards
19:47 mircea_popescu not in texas.
19:47 asciilifeform interesting.
19:47 mircea_popescu in the southwest men will actually pick up (the otherwise very submissive) women with children and parent them anyway.
19:48 mircea_popescu in fact there's a lot of ethnographic and social difference across the "nation" which isn't. that the pantsuit don't know about it... well... they don't know about anything else, either, do they.
19:49 mircea_popescu but for the sake of historical record, the very traditional central european "you may not say no to a man ; and ESPECIALLY not sexually" lands, ie from south carolina south and west as far as maybe eastern arizona, provide slut protection, in that "and if you end up alone with three kids before you're 30 i won't hold that against you".
19:50 mircea_popescu the "feminist misery" as overrepresented in pantsuit media is mostly the result of urban californite reinterpretation of 1800s era boston puritanism. "if you're enjoyable you lose at life". makes for the obese, neurotic, deeplyh unhappy "queers" and whatnots.
19:51 mircea_popescu meanwhile the east coast moved to a very mechanicistic "if you can't engineer you're a failed bioexperiment", which makes for a slightly differenty flavour of very unhappy, somewhat overweight neuroticoball.
19:51 asciilifeform lolwat
19:51 asciilifeform where are all of these engineers.
19:52 trinque asciilifeform: none, but they're miserable they aren't
19:52 mircea_popescu hey, europe spent five centuries going "o noes, sin" and where are all the saints.
19:52 asciilifeform and what in usa was engineered, since, idk, reagan's reign
19:52 mircea_popescu the absence of engineers is not germane to this discussion. we're talking sociology here.
19:54 mircea_popescu to put it another way : women will fail at anything they set their mind to. of course they would. that's the point of life on earth, everyone does it, what can you say. ars will stay longa.
19:54 mircea_popescu nevertheless, the manner in which they recount this failure to themselves varies by place and culture.
19:54 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo not so smart ; outside of us nobody ever uses anything other than 100s << I have yet to see another confirmed gringo here, but the idea with 20's is more of them and single one is an amount suitable for what alf would call "human" transactions.
19:54 mircea_popescu there is that.
19:54 mircea_popescu course irl you just visit exchanger now and again.
19:55 BingoBoingo The big fear was after the argentard stories being surrounded by poor, stupid folk.
19:55 mircea_popescu how's that playing out ?
19:56 BingoBoingo Most except the destitute I have met so far at least put on airs of "middle class" or "aspiring elite"
19:56 BingoBoingo Much humility here so far.
19:56 mircea_popescu oya
19:56 BingoBoingo Stupidity yet to be determined
19:58 BingoBoingo Have yet to find any stories of unofficial exchange rate out of sync with official one, but given alquilar en pesos y comprar en dollares... seems probable there is one
19:58 mircea_popescu nah. more like historical issue than spot fx.
19:58 BingoBoingo Ah
19:58 mircea_popescu they don't like to save in the local currency of a tiny mismanaged we-produce-nothing "corporation"
19:59 mircea_popescu they prefer a larger one. apparently tbtf is a thing in human cognition.
19:59 BingoBoingo I have yet to meet an Uruguayan who introduced Trump to any conversation.
20:00 BingoBoingo I am at this point very unsure if the Uruguayans view politics as anything other than an operations discussion on how to extract value from stupid Argentine spending.
20:01 BingoBoingo "Come to Montevideo, It's like Buenos Aires but quieter and less shitty"
20:01 mircea_popescu this is entirely possible.
20:01 mircea_popescu they totally own the abortion market, at that.
20:01 BingoBoingo And the banking market
20:01 asciilifeform iirc there was a trilema re 'abortionferry'
20:01 mircea_popescu aha.
20:02 asciilifeform sails out with full uteri, back -- empties
20:02 mircea_popescu well... very close shaved ones anyway
20:02 mircea_popescu i dun think most people realise how close curetage is to a really bad shave that's 2 layers too close.
20:02 asciilifeform shaved, or perhaps vacuumed ( moar modern ) etc
20:03 asciilifeform iirc in early phase can skip the 'shave'
20:03 BingoBoingo Lol, there's so many ads on the street for hair removal
20:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform people dumb enough to get caught in a country which requires ferry trip for disposition rarely make anything like an early phase.
20:04 * asciilifeform can picture this.
20:04 mircea_popescu plus, for an argentine any expenditure over ~40 cents requires a bank loan.
20:04 mircea_popescu i was standing in a shop to buy a ream of socks and shit, and this dork before me, ENTIRELY in the european academic geddup, including the ugly colors, the jersey, the bag over shoulder etc paid for ONE PAIR worth ~3 bux with a credit card.
20:05 * BingoBoingo saw one payday lender at mall vs many bill pay offices
20:05 mircea_popescu i was like "aren't you ashamed of yourself" and he pretended like he doesn't know i'm talking to him. EXACTLY like clinton & friends.
20:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: possibly could be 'trying to be american', carries 0 moneys
20:05 asciilifeform over here people nao pay parking meters with cc.
20:05 mircea_popescu if you need someone to lend you money for socks as a 50yo male you really have no excuse to be here.
20:06 BingoBoingo Many of the larger shops offer discounts for card payments, apparently in retail that is a way to recover some VAT
20:06 mircea_popescu and ESPECIALLY don't try the womanly "wisdom" angle. a male that dumb has nothing to impart by the definition of terms.
20:06 BingoBoingo But always on debit cards
20:06 asciilifeform waiwat what wisdom
20:07 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo over two bucks ? take 5 more minutes and have to sign shit ? what's the per-transaction risk cost to the card, ie, if your time were free and your pen were free, how much is the maximum card value capped at to make this purchase not a loss ?
20:07 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The retailers offering this are not ones where one easily spends only 2 bucks
20:07 mircea_popescu back when i had (company) cards a decade ago, i used them to cover >1k bills at large wholesalers, not $300 at the restaurant. and EVEN SO it was iffy.
20:08 BingoBoingo It's mostly the higher end looking clothiers and restaurants in Montevideo shopping.
20:08 mircea_popescu because the per-usage cost of fraud upon a credit card is like 1.5-1.8% of its total net value. meaning if your account is worth over 100k lifetime, you can't afford to use a card to pay less than a coupla k's. and if your account is worth LESS than 100k lifetime there's no fucking reason you could possibly have to use a bank for anything.
20:08 BingoBoingo Further from Montevideo Shopping and the WTC, the discount signage disappears
20:09 mircea_popescu ask them for a cash discount, for lulz.
20:09 mircea_popescu i usually get 5-10-15% here.
20:09 mircea_popescu "y... me descuenta por efectivo ?", best magic words ever.
20:09 BingoBoingo So far change for a $20 bill is consistently being rounded in my favor to avoid burdening me with coins.
20:09 asciilifeform in usa, ( at least for plebes and on paper, actual practice is moar complicated ) vendors are saddled with the fraud cost.
20:10 mircea_popescu o, they have pretty cool coins in uruguay iirc.
20:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's what you naively think ; but not in practice.
20:10 BingoBoingo The coins are cool, but... they cover 10 pesos on down so that's a lot of metal
20:10 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: naturally in the end konsoomer is made to pay, it is rolled into prices.
20:10 asciilifeform however the cc-abstainers get to , here's the beauty, pay the same prices..
20:11 mircea_popescu nevermind the end consumer. look into business owners / middle class experiences, the net is fulla "oh, they have this bank acct they won't let me close that keeps getting dinged by fraudsters and they charge me"
20:11 asciilifeform these yes. hence 'vendors'
20:11 mircea_popescu us bank account is insanity on the face, i was discussing the (at the time still somewhat sane) eurolands.
20:11 asciilifeform they get raped.
20:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, no. as the BUYER.
20:12 asciilifeform right, if yer a corporate acct ( even a microscopic one ) you get the rapestick.
20:12 mircea_popescu well what the fuck, am i going to pay with taxed money ?
20:12 asciilifeform lol
20:12 mircea_popescu da fuck is this nonsense.
20:15 asciilifeform in other great-agains , https://archive.is/wbVbJ >> 'Google plans to increase to 10,000 the number of its staffers tasked with tracking down extremist content on YouTube. "We will continue the growth of our teams, with the goal of bringing the total number of people across Google working to address content that might violate our policies to over 10,000 in 2018," YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki told Britain's Daily Telegraph in an intervie
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20:15 asciilifeform w. Wojcicki said that "bad actors" had used the video-sharing site to "mislead, manipulate, harass or even harm" others.'
20:15 mircea_popescu hey. "generate employment"
20:16 mircea_popescu ~all of the pantsuit only has one economic utility left, and that is to "police" the web for anything deviating from their worldview.
20:16 mircea_popescu as long as fed can keep printing, they'll keep going to "moderation college" for a "moderator career".
20:26 BingoBoingo Well, an empire can't die holding only a single mistake
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21:00 * mod6 reads l0gz
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21:18 mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1747850 << no prob! will have the 'Creating, Naming, and Submitting a Vpatch Guide' (http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000168.html) updated by the end of the weekend.
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21:18 a111 Logged on 2017-12-07 11:24 mircea_popescu: mod6 mind adding the "no clearsigned material in patches -- you got the .sig for that" and "no '--- ' anywhere, you have been warned" rules to it ; and phf / everyone mind making it stick ?
21:20 mod6 BingoBoingo: nice pictures. hope all is well.
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21:56 mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748189 << Thanks for posting. I can confirm that diana_coman's vpatch presses fine: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GVmx0/?raw=true
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21:56 a111 Logged on 2017-12-07 17:16 deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/07/introducing-eucrypt/ << Ossasepia - Introducing EuCrypt
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22:17 mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748189 << lol
22:17 a111 Logged on 2017-12-07 17:16 deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/07/introducing-eucrypt/ << Ossasepia - Introducing EuCrypt
22:17 mod6 oops ^
22:17 mod6 was actually laughin at this: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748336
22:17 a111 Logged on 2017-12-07 22:17 mircea_popescu: oh and in "social media was invented to entertain me" reprints, me : how goes it ? 19yo f iowa : "dying inside casually. you ?" me : "here's yachting pics."
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22:43 mircea_popescu mod6 cool deal.
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23:02 mircea_popescu http://www.menarebetterthanwomen.com/erect-the-man-billboard/ << in case anyone was wondering who patreon/gofundme/the rest of silycon valley webscams were ripping off : dick masterson.
23:02 mircea_popescu no, it wasn't an original idea of theirs ; they can't have such a thing.
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23:19 cazalla dick masterton cucked poor maddox
23:20 cazalla mircea_popescu, you see maddox trying to sue dick for 20m for saying mean things about him on the net?
23:22 mircea_popescu o hai
23:22 mircea_popescu no ?
23:23 mircea_popescu i thought they were partners or w/e.
23:23 cazalla they were, but maddox became an sjw
23:23 mircea_popescu ahaha when ?!
23:24 cazalla maybe a year or 2 ago now, maddox thought everyone was listening for him, but turned out they were tuning in to hear dick, so maddox went his own way expecting all the patreon bucks to come to him, but only a couple hundred while dick pulling in thousands lol
23:25 mircea_popescu maddox has this very annoying girl voice. nfi what he thought he was doing with vlogging or w/e
23:25 mircea_popescu well, actually, o have an idea : need a lot more material to fill text than video, so every lazy ass is trying to sell his ugly nose pimples in lieu.
23:27 cazalla https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/fbem/DocumentDisplayServlet?documentId=hMc6dSCWjp10863RGL0zWQ==&system=prod
23:27 cazalla poor ol' maddox even went to court telling them dick said bad things about him, his gf, stole his ex-gf and on it goes, funniest thing maddox has ever done to date imo
23:27 mircea_popescu bejaysus, poor fucks suing each other over pennies ?
23:28 mircea_popescu there should be a law that anyone filing suit for under 1mn gets caned instead, and then sold by open outcry.
23:31 mod6 ^
23:31 mircea_popescu "6. In 2014, Defendant Herrera was relatively unknown, had a small fan base, few resources, and therefore, being included in Plaintiff’s Podcast represented a huge opportunity for him." ahahaha what the fuck, is he off his rocker ?
23:31 mircea_popescu masterson was prolly larger than maddox mid 2000s.
23:33 mircea_popescu o sweet merciful jesus, "19. The harassment campaign(s) Defendant Herrera, and the other Defendants’, have created, and continue to create, against Plaintiffs’ are appalling, wanton, vindictive, ruthless, and patently repulsive. What’s even more nauseating is that Defendant Herrera, in conjunction with the other Defendants’, have created a thriving business based around their continued harassment campaigns, cyber mob
23:33 mircea_popescu attacks, and threats against Plaintiffs’."
23:33 mircea_popescu landau group, pc actually signed off on this idiocy ?
23:33 cazalla can't remember when i first dick on tv, but he's as old as maddox surely when it comes to the net
23:33 cazalla saw*
23:34 mircea_popescu this is pretty sad.
23:34 * mircea_popescu shan't be mentioning maddox again, wtf is this misery.
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23:37 cazalla anyway, before the kids go for the power point and phone again.. i'm off.. nice pics BingoBoingo
23:44 ben_vulpes and in other nutterisms, i have the most broken boxes... http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/pJofF/?raw=true
23:45 ben_vulpes c compiler cannot create executables ffs
23:58 mod6 lol
23:59 mod6 gcc 6 tho?
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