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07:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i cannot resist to ask, where do i buy some 'arbitrary iron' ? right now i only got concrete iron
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07:41 asciilifeform !~ticker --market all
07:41 jhvh1 asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 12649.92, vol: 15099.62688961 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 12639.0, vol: 63644.53889962 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 12754.4, vol: 4211.65584461 | Volume-weighted last average: 12646.8465019
07:54 RagnarDanneskjol mircea_popescu I believe 2 or 3 ladies will be available to interview by this weekend. please standby. I'll just point them to the great hall [here] unless you want them elsewhere
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08:14 BingoBoingo I have arrived
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08:18 asciilifeform congrats BingoBoingo !
08:18 asciilifeform how is the jungle, how -- the jaguars ?
08:19 BingoBoingo So far the shower at the office has hot water.
08:19 asciilifeform notbad
08:20 BingoBoingo Have seen litle nature so far. Lightening the load at coworking office to hostel size before their checkin opens. Very friendly people.
08:20 BingoBoingo Mega mission of the day is calibrating the ear to this accent and recovering from mega ear pressure confusion
08:21 BingoBoingo TSA did open up bag with the server and network switch helpfully leaving note.
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08:26 * BingoBoingo also to explore and take pictures
08:35 BingoBoingo brb
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09:10 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746620 << pretty sure i "accidentally"-ed a hundy or so at some point, look carefully through the couch cushions.
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09:10 a111 Logged on 2017-12-05 15:21 trinque: to date, deedbot made like 0.0002, and so what? it'll make more in the future, and it'll buy more with what it made idem
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09:32 asciilifeform in other 'let's steal trilema article and publish with flipped sign bit', https://archive.is/ECfmb
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09:54 mircea_popescu but what proof do you have.
09:54 asciilifeform insufficientlyproofyproofofproofiness
09:55 lobbes Congrats BingoBoingo!
09:55 lobbes In other jungles: https://archive.is/BjsEM
09:55 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747223 << at $shop.
09:55 a111 Logged on 2017-12-06 12:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i cannot resist to ask, where do i buy some 'arbitrary iron' ? right now i only got concrete iron
09:56 mircea_popescu lobbes apparently there was problem.
09:57 mircea_popescu anyway, administration of all kinds would be GREATLY improved by permanently losing access to all computing.
09:57 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747227 << ahaha looks like you won too.
09:57 a111 Logged on 2017-12-06 13:14 BingoBoingo: I have arrived
09:58 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747226 << to quote some bum, "where am i going."
09:58 a111 Logged on 2017-12-06 12:54 RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu I believe 2 or 3 ladies will be available to interview by this weekend. please standby. I'll just point them to the great hall [here] unless you want them elsewhere
09:58 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747234 << loller i guess you're throwing those out then ?
09:58 a111 Logged on 2017-12-06 13:21 BingoBoingo: TSA did open up bag with the server and network switch helpfully leaving note.
10:10 BingoBoingo Well, probably investigating them. Switch is still new in box unconfigured, server hasn't been more than assembled
10:10 BingoBoingo They did leave the inspection note
10:11 BingoBoingo as opposed to hiding it
10:12 mircea_popescu i c
10:12 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: man in sov restaurant, gets up to go piss, leaves a note on his table : 'i have spat into this soup, do not steal' . returns, to finds scribble under his note : '...i spat in it also, yours, anon'
10:12 mircea_popescu ehehehe
10:13 mircea_popescu !!pay BingoBoingo 0.01
10:13 BingoBoingo tyvm
10:13 mircea_popescu nao don't go casinoing.
10:13 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/j1rev/?raw=true
10:14 BingoBoingo Far too soon for that
10:14 mircea_popescu aha
10:15 * BingoBoingo made a quick walk around the neighborhood, has to reorient to sun's new location as opposed to ye familiar old compas
10:15 mircea_popescu didja pack a camera btw ?
10:16 diana_coman BingoBoingo, can add picture of inspection note to the rest of "local flora&fauna" pics
10:16 BingoBoingo I packed two. Baking a first blog post. Got few pictures en route because it turns out airports and planes are boring. Also clouds most of the flights.
10:17 BingoBoingo diana_coman: I will save that for the post when I actually open the networking equipment. Right now gotta calibrate my ears to this accent
10:18 mircea_popescu nice.
10:19 mircea_popescu but yes, airflight ain't all it's cracked up to be. only seems a big deal before ape invents airplane.
10:19 mircea_popescu much like marriage seems much more of an ideal state to 13yo than later on.
10:19 asciilifeform !#s bathtub catapult
10:19 a111 5 results for "bathtub catapult", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=bathtub%20catapult
10:20 mircea_popescu incidentally, re that : i don't think most people are equipped to evaluate how much it'd suck. i base this on my own experience, whereby i didn't understand what sex in tub is like before trying.
10:20 mircea_popescu my knees were scabbed for weeks.
10:20 asciilifeform 'knife fight in phone booth' (tm)(r)
10:20 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> but yes, airflight ain't all it's cracked up to be. only seems a big deal before ape invents airplane. << Only really big deal besides boredom and comms blackout is barotraumo to the ears
10:21 mircea_popescu by the time you crashland you're more or less CNCd into a ball already. just like an egg that was tumbled with rocks.
10:21 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you're supposed to suck aircock the whole way, didn't the stewardess tell you ?
10:21 BingoBoingo No, none of them did.
10:21 mircea_popescu maybe they were doing it discreetely.
10:22 mircea_popescu or maybe you didn't fly with HookAir ?
10:22 BingoBoingo Well, i did forget it was a thing and underestimated how big a deal it would be until first leg of trip ended
10:22 mircea_popescu #trilema fails to warn.
10:23 mircea_popescu poor bb DID say he's total noob.
10:23 * asciilifeform while BingoBoingo flew, slept, and dreamed that he was conscripted into american army; and when asked 'where do you want to go' answered 'let's straight to 'nam, get it over with' and was sent.
10:23 BingoBoingo Well, #trilema did warn, but forgot
10:23 mircea_popescu a did it ? i forgot too.
10:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so did you get nam over with by your own self or was there a sidekick ?
10:24 BingoBoingo then Republic of Texas to Panama was napping while descent started, damage done
10:24 asciilifeform with plane full of other cannon fodder. but that's all the detail that was painted.
10:24 asciilifeform somehow in 'dream logic' it seemed entirely unsurprising that 'nam' were still a going concern.
10:24 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo incidentally, i often get ear popping IN THE CAR, getting down from fortress mp to civilisation.
10:24 asciilifeform asciilifeform only gets ear pop in the subway.
10:25 asciilifeform somehow never on planes.
10:25 mircea_popescu maybe your ears are directional.
10:25 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: AHA, missouri hills are what I was expecting
10:25 asciilifeform fuckknows
10:27 mircea_popescu incidentally, in re http://trilema.com/2017/what-are-you-being-distracted-from/#comment-123640 : Party of Heroes prolly best one of the entire whole lot.
10:27 mircea_popescu imo it's the definitive showcase of the platform.
10:28 mircea_popescu ie, isn't a port from system with kbd-and-mouse, but actually designed / thought into the terms of a tapdevice.
10:28 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNr99mM-cL4 << like that
10:35 deedbot http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/06/the-midwestern-rube-arrives-in-uruguay/ << Bingo Blog - The Midwestern Rube Arrives In Uruguay
10:43 BingoBoingo brb, explore mode
10:45 hanbot congrats BingoBoingo :)
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12:07 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/various-multitudes/ << Trilema - Various multitudes
12:20 diana_coman mod6 or asciilifeform, can you help? I'm trying to press asciilifeform's second patch for sane-mpi and V complains that it can't find the vpatch file although it is there (and I checked the sig too and it's all fine); I'm running your V, version thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20170317.tar.gz.mod6 ; I have the following folder structure: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1ZwgW/?raw=true; Here's the error when I run v press verbose . mpi_second_cut.vpa
12:20 diana_coman tch: Error! Could not find vpatch "mpi_second_cut.vpatch" ; when I run v a mpi_second_cut.vpatch I get: Error! Could not find vpatch "mpi_second_cut.vpatch"
12:21 asciilifeform diana_coman: is it in your patches dir ?
12:21 diana_coman yes; see folder structure above
12:21 diana_coman ftr it finds the genesis patch fine
12:22 diana_coman but it seems to think there are no descendants on it (so v d mpi-genesis.vpatch returns empty)
12:22 BingoBoingo No pictures of quality this time, but have located mall, mall casino, and place where sleeping
12:23 diana_coman v f shows only the genesis
12:23 asciilifeform diana_coman: are you using mod6's vtron ?
12:23 diana_coman yes,as stated
12:25 asciilifeform pretty strange, mine and phf's vtrons ate it up without complaint, e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=mpi
12:26 diana_coman ok, let me try with yours too then, can't hurt
12:26 asciilifeform sounds like a bug in mod6's vtron, thus far
12:26 asciilifeform where it silently barfs on a signature and doesn't say why
12:26 asciilifeform where did you get asciilifeform's key, diana_coman ?
12:26 mircea_popescu diana_coman possibly you have old ver of alf sig ?
12:26 diana_coman ftr I used mod6's vtron on ch1 of ffa and it worked perfectly fine
12:26 mircea_popescu (expired at some point)
12:26 asciilifeform sigs dun change tho
12:26 mircea_popescu had alt paths there
12:27 asciilifeform diana_coman: then can rule out bad pubk
12:27 diana_coman mircea_popescu, nope, I just downloaded it again today so it's the new one
12:27 mircea_popescu a ok\
12:28 diana_coman asciilifeform, got it from your website
12:29 asciilifeform i redownloaded own item just now, and verified the sig successfully
12:29 diana_coman a gpg --verify here worked perfectly fine for me too on both patches
12:29 asciilifeform so it ain't hoster shenanigans, unless quite elaborate and patch-dependent
12:30 diana_coman (did that before even running v anyway)
12:30 asciilifeform fwiw sha512(mpi_second_cut.vpatch) : 594052a750c3ab2ad16bbd73c578df9d99a98cc9811e6537e452dc2386b58c24555918e8d02e9e8d35c25808ac31a10babf0614e2d647afdf4f58b38059af118
12:30 asciilifeform sha512(mpi_second_cut.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig) : 7b14150fd5100dc90f7130a491214fceda5984fdad20491487d45727c4be88885dc9d9245e7f1bee30fa236e1e774e03f6cba8f34ccc4508eaed0df53af329a0
12:30 asciilifeform *path-dependent
12:30 diana_coman anyways, will try with asciilifeform's v for now; maybe mod6 has some idea on this later
12:32 diana_coman asciilifeform, same sha512 here
12:34 asciilifeform hmm possibly mod6's v requires 'vpatch' extension
12:34 asciilifeform my mpi genesis had 'vdiff'
12:34 asciilifeform ( but otherwise conformant )
12:35 diana_coman ah, that might be it, makes sense
12:38 asciilifeform what i did :
12:38 asciilifeform mv patches/mpi-genesis.vdiff patches/mpi-genesis.vpatch ; mv .seals/mpi-genesis.asciilifeform.sig .seals/mpi-genesis.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig
12:39 asciilifeform or hm
12:40 asciilifeform still fails to recognize that mpi_second_cut.vpatch exists
12:40 asciilifeform this VERY POSSIBILITY of silent failure is a bug, mod6
12:40 asciilifeform at least oughta have a verbose mode one can optionally enable, wtf
12:41 asciilifeform silently ignoring bad input by-default can be permissible, but to do it ~always~ is not The Right Thing , gotta give something to debug with.
12:42 asciilifeform ./v.pl d mpi-genesis.vpatch returns nothing
12:42 asciilifeform and neither does
12:42 asciilifeform ./v.pl a mpi_second_cut.vpatch
12:42 asciilifeform otoh the flow,
12:43 asciilifeform ./v.pl f
12:43 asciilifeform mpi_second_cut.vpatch (asciilifeform)
12:43 asciilifeform mpi-genesis.vpatch (asciilifeform)
12:43 asciilifeform returns both.
12:43 asciilifeform this happens only in mod6's vtron, the bug is replicated by asciilifeform just now ( however yet unexplained. )
12:43 asciilifeform and persists still if the filename is fixed, so it wasn't the cause.
12:45 diana_coman myeah, I had done the renaming
12:47 diana_coman asciilifeform, v99 (taken from here: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000160.html ) complains that "No roots found!" -> what am I missing?
12:48 diana_coman these are my files: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oXdqh/?raw=true
12:48 diana_coman and I ran it : v99 --wot .wot --seals .seals patches a mpi_second_cut.vpatch
12:51 asciilifeform ok now ~that~ is odd
12:51 asciilifeform diana_coman: do me a favour, tar up the entire thing
12:51 asciilifeform vtron, patches, seals, all.
12:52 asciilifeform i unfortunately will not be able to touch this in next few hrs.
12:52 asciilifeform but will before nightfall.
12:55 diana_coman k
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13:16 ben_vulpes and in "fiddling while rome burns" http://ul.vave.pw.s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/_/17/12/75b4d27.jpg
13:20 diana_coman asciilifeform, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mINB0/?raw=true encrypted .tar.gz of whole dir with everything
13:29 asciilifeform ty diana_coman , i'ma check it out as soon as hands free
13:29 diana_coman thank you
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13:51 asciilifeform diana_coman: post plaintext one, possibly ben_vulpes or mod6 or someone else, will notice what is the cause before i do
13:52 * asciilifeform knee deep in saecular liquishit atm
13:54 diana_coman asciilifeform or anyone else: http://dianacoman.com/available_resources/testmpi.tar.gz
13:54 asciilifeform thx diana_coman
13:56 asciilifeform now i recall also that phf had some trouble at first eating the thing, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1739113 and elsewhere. but i can't seem to find in the log whether he ever said what the problem was, and how fixed.
13:56 a111 Logged on 2017-11-15 18:23 mircea_popescu: maybe his thing didn't eat it for some reason.
14:06 mod6 hi, looks like you've had some issues with my v : asciilifeform & diana_coman, I'll have to take a look at this later when I can. thx.
14:12 phf asciilifeform: i had issues specifically with an older, genesis-less version. my system doesn't require antecedents to be there, but for some reason when there's only one, antecedent-less patch it gives me a 404. i've not actually investigated, since you produced a genesis since
14:12 asciilifeform genesis was posted from the day my article was written, phf
14:12 asciilifeform it is in the tarball
14:12 asciilifeform ( supposing this makes a difference )
14:13 asciilifeform or, to be absolutely pedantically correct, it was posted when the article first written, whereas 'second cut' was added later.
14:14 asciilifeform both can be seen at http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1533 .
14:15 phf asciilifeform: something like that. my btcbase vpatch grepper is dumb (it's my own eyes, but not the brain) and it's mostly just looking for things that look like a vpatch/vdiff. i definitely didn't unpack the first post tgz
14:15 asciilifeform makes sense
14:16 asciilifeform since that item i've avoided stuffing'em into tarballs, it doesn't help but often trips up various automated items like phf's
14:16 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747237 << I saw, first reaction was "AH SHIT, WHY IS THE BALANCE OFF"
14:16 a111 Logged on 2017-12-06 14:10 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746620 << pretty sure i "accidentally"-ed a hundy or so at some point, look carefully through the couch cushions.
14:16 asciilifeform let plain text, stay plaintxt
14:16 trinque notbad cushion money
14:17 asciilifeform i considered to ask 'a hundy of what' but decided not to
14:23 mircea_popescu wise.
14:26 mod6 where is the de-facto mpi tarball?
14:26 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1533
14:26 mod6 thx
14:33 asciilifeform meanwhile in world of thick people, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1927&cpage=1#comment-18402
14:35 mod6 are we trying to get this one going then? http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mpi/sane-mpi.tar.gz
14:35 asciilifeform nope
14:36 asciilifeform i prolly oughta remove that link
14:36 asciilifeform it contains simply a press
14:36 mod6 it sounds to me like diana_coman was using that one.
14:36 diana_coman mod6, no
14:36 mod6 'sane-mpi'
14:36 asciilifeform ( at the time i was not yet ready to say properly fuckyou to my heathen readers, who had nfi what is v and did not want to )
14:36 diana_coman yes but the vpatch, not the press itself
14:36 asciilifeform i think diana_coman has the actual vpatch
14:36 asciilifeform from the genesis tar
14:37 diana_coman mod6, this is what I have and on which it failed: http://dianacoman.com/available_resources/testmpi.tar.gz
14:38 diana_coman basically this "sane-mpi" tar.gz: www.loper-os.org/pub/mpi/mpi-genesis.tar.gz
14:39 asciilifeform oooh aaaah
14:39 asciilifeform looks like i found the boojum
14:39 asciilifeform this was one of those pieces i cooked using obsolete vdiff
14:39 asciilifeform that included timestamps
14:39 asciilifeform the genesis, that is
14:39 mod6 aha
14:39 mod6 that'll do it
14:39 asciilifeform the secondcut was proper.
14:39 * mod6 looks
14:39 asciilifeform who wants to recommend The Right Thing for an item like this ?
14:40 asciilifeform i can sign a vpatch of ~the genesis~ per se
14:40 asciilifeform or alternatively sign a cleaned genesis
14:40 asciilifeform but would rather preserve the chronology.
14:40 asciilifeform hey mircea_popescu do you wanna make the call ?
14:41 mircea_popescu sign a new genesis, abandon this one.
14:41 asciilifeform worx
14:41 asciilifeform fwiw the secondcut requires no change
14:41 asciilifeform the file hashes from the fixed genesis will be same.
14:42 mircea_popescu asciilifeform just as soon as someone puts a patch on top of it, the trees will diverge and then phf can exclude the legacy one or w/e it is he does to them
14:42 asciilifeform they won't diverge though
14:42 mircea_popescu oh, it's a clerical problem only ?
14:42 asciilifeform think about it. aha.
14:43 asciilifeform it's a straight formattingbug.
14:43 mircea_popescu so then why doesn't it press ? there's something amiss here.
14:43 asciilifeform it doesn't press because vtron chokes on the timestamps.
14:43 asciilifeform they should not be in the hashlines.
14:43 * BingoBoingo opting out of major decisions until getting in a full sleep in. But, Haz uruguayan numero de telefono
14:43 mircea_popescu so then why is it on eg phf's site
14:43 asciilifeform ( they however were in there, in asciilifeform's ~original~ vtron . and vdiff . )
14:43 mircea_popescu im guessing we're just about ready to tighten format here
14:43 asciilifeform phf's vtron apparently is clever, and able to eat both types.
14:43 mircea_popescu SOFT FORK!
14:44 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the crapola was formally abolished in v proper.
14:44 asciilifeform phf's is 'too liberal'.
14:44 mircea_popescu aite then.
14:44 asciilifeform mod6's is actually correct, though i'd prefer it barf loudly and with pomp, rather than silently.
14:47 mircea_popescu aaanyway, suppose diana_coman wants to add a patch to mod6's vtron, to better error messages
14:47 mircea_popescu (because complaining of absent-present file is no good)
14:47 mircea_popescu WHERE does she put it ?
14:47 mircea_popescu mod6 wanna genesis your vtron ?
14:47 asciilifeform i tried it with diana_coman's copy of asciilifeform's last vtron, and it has correct barfola
14:47 asciilifeform says 'are you sure this is a vpatch'
14:47 asciilifeform which immediately took me to the culprit
14:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and how about you./
14:47 asciilifeform pretty sure i did ?
14:48 mircea_popescu i dun see it in btcbase
14:48 asciilifeform having to comb l0gz to find these, is becoming painful. any chance of deedbot learning to eat vpatches+sigs, trinque ?
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14:48 mircea_popescu atm there's bot, lam-par (terrible name), fg, mpi and ffa.
14:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lol i'm all ears if you have better name for lam-par
14:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform why deedbot ? should be a111.
14:49 asciilifeform traditionally deedbot is the one who eats signed matter
14:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform : "Lamport Parachute (a crypto identity bootstrap solution)"
14:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you misunderstand teh tradition!
14:49 mircea_popescu !#s ".sig"
14:49 a111 217 results for "\".sig\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22.sig%22
14:49 mircea_popescu !#s ".patch"
14:49 a111 111 results for "\".patch\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22.patch%22
14:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform phf pluriously said he's doing it by hand for now ; i see no problem with this. correct procedure would thereby be to ping him with items
14:59 asciilifeform >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1533 << updated
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14:59 asciilifeform ^ mod6 , diana_coman , mircea_popescu , phf , et al
15:00 asciilifeform clean ( in terms of not actually having any effect on pressed hashes and the descendant patch 'second cut' ) fix.
15:00 asciilifeform diana_coman: plox to verify that this worx as described above, when you get a chance.
15:01 asciilifeform i tested with my vtron, as pictured in diana_coman's tarball, and it worx.
15:01 asciilifeform fwiw asciilifeform has purged afaik all copies of old-style vdiff.sh from his boxen, so this headache should not recur.
15:02 asciilifeform i recommend other folx to look at their vdiff, and see that it does not suffer from timestampism.
15:02 asciilifeform ( pretty sure asciilifeform is not the only one who has committed this sin. )
15:03 asciilifeform phf: if you had some code in your patch viewer to eat this type of horror, as 'special case', it is now a good time to throw it out
15:03 asciilifeform afaik i dun have any other unfixed vpatches.
15:03 asciilifeform ( aside from some obsolete matter on trb ml )
15:09 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747462 << don't want to step on phf's toes here; he's operating the logger and v-patch viewer
15:09 a111 Logged on 2017-12-06 19:48 asciilifeform: having to comb l0gz to find these, is becoming painful. any chance of deedbot learning to eat vpatches+sigs, trinque ?
15:10 asciilifeform let me also demonstrate for the record:
15:10 asciilifeform grep "+++" mpi-genesis.vdiff | cut -f5 -d' ' | sort > sad.txt
15:11 asciilifeform grep "+++" mpi-genesis.vpatch | cut -f3 -d' ' | sort > happy.txt
15:11 asciilifeform diff sad.txt happy.txt
15:11 asciilifeform ^ null
15:11 asciilifeform ( one is, if it isn't clear, the 2015 sad genesis; the other -- the fixed, in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747474 . )
15:11 a111 Logged on 2017-12-06 19:59 asciilifeform: >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1533 << updated
15:12 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mpi/mpi-genesis.vpatch http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mpi/mpi-genesis.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig for the l0gz.
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15:12 asciilifeform ^^^ mod6 , diana_coman , mircea_popescu , phf , et al ^^^
15:13 mircea_popescu ok ok simmar down
15:14 asciilifeform the issue is as fixed as it gets. i posted the grep item as example of how to verify, without even a vtron, that nothing has been slipped in from under the table.
15:14 diana_coman asciilifeform, thank you, I'll look in a minute; (had all hands full a minute here with all sorts)
15:14 asciilifeform ( a working vtron will immediately barf if encountering a file mismatching the claimed hash )
15:16 mod6 alright, im about to check your new ones here. i can confirm that the original 'mpi-genesis.vpatch' (f254bedf1e3241eb9de17232b630a0614f1cc54ff9c5407d87d79174e211833bcfc0135c89b4abcab2446acd93137a8e1b0798704ad7e4d498cc52c836c82c2b) gets dropped on the floor because of the addtional timestamps.
15:28 diana_coman I can confirm that the new genesis & the old second_cut vpatch are now at least recognised by mod6's v
15:29 diana_coman asciilifeform, did you take out the second_cut patch link from the updated http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1533 ? or am I just not seeing it/not getting something?
15:29 asciilifeform ugh
15:29 asciilifeform ffs
15:29 * asciilifeform goes to see
15:31 mod6 now, on the other hand, yeah, i saw the second_cut vpatch link removed from loper... but I went ahead and updated my sandbox to have alf's latest & greatest mpi-genesis.
15:31 mod6 when i went to press, bzzzt.
15:32 mod6 looks like second_cut might need a re-grind.
15:32 asciilifeform diana_coman: fixed
15:32 asciilifeform mod6: show me the eggog ?
15:32 asciilifeform it SHOULD NOT NEEED REGRIND FFS
15:33 diana_coman asciilifeform, here it seems to barf on the ...README file?
15:34 asciilifeform grr
15:34 asciilifeform paste ?
15:35 asciilifeform considering that i made the new genesis by pressing and re-vdiffing, there should be no differences aside from the timestamp cut.
15:35 mod6 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/0dlz1/?raw=true
15:35 diana_coman 2 out of 5 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file mpi/README.rej and contents of README.rej are here: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/J8ESM/?raw=true
15:35 mod6 yup, unhappy with README
15:36 diana_coman aha, seems to be same here, confirmed
15:36 asciilifeform diana_coman, mod6 that text only appears in 'second cut'
15:36 asciilifeform not in genesis
15:37 asciilifeform it does not appear in either the original genesis, nor the regrind, see for yourself.
15:37 asciilifeform ( i.e. the text in 'UPDATE #1' )
15:38 diana_coman asciilifeform, there is something I don't understand: shouldn't I be able to press the second cut now with the new genesis present?
15:38 asciilifeform yes!!!
15:38 diana_coman so then : I try to press and I get...that
15:38 diana_coman is there now a problem with second_cut?
15:38 * diana_coman goes to take it again
15:38 asciilifeform whereas i just now 'pressed' the old and the new genesis with plain old patch -p1 < old and patch -p1 < new
15:39 asciilifeform and diffed the READMEs
15:39 asciilifeform and they are bitwise identical
15:39 asciilifeform just as they ought to be
15:39 asciilifeform and so is the rest of it!
15:39 diana_coman uhm, something is weird
15:39 * mircea_popescu admires how the "finished" mpi managed to take a whole day of 3 people's time and shakes his head displeasedly.
15:40 mircea_popescu this can't be what finished ever means.
15:41 asciilifeform what means 'finished', it's a spoil of war artifact.
15:41 asciilifeform ( and fwiw phf pressed and built the demo year+ ago )
15:42 asciilifeform diana_coman, mod6 , both of you appear to be suffering from mod6's barfolade-leaving vtron
15:42 asciilifeform it stops mid-press and leaves liquishit
15:42 asciilifeform which it itself afterwards fails on
15:42 asciilifeform make a fresh working set, with no failed-press residue, and you will get a working press.
15:43 diana_coman asciilifeform, this was FRESH
15:43 asciilifeform plox to tar it up and post ?
15:43 diana_coman wiped previous dir, took everything out with curl etc
15:43 asciilifeform whole thing, as before.
15:43 * asciilifeform brb, teatime.
15:43 diana_coman I'll wipe again and try your v too for completeness at least
15:46 mod6 <+asciilifeform> diana_coman, mod6 , both of you appear to be suffering from mod6's barfolade-leaving vtron << wut
15:48 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> mod6 wanna genesis your vtron ? << at this rate, doesn't look like it.
15:48 mod6 Despite 2 years of development, we still arn't there yet.
15:48 trinque genesis doesn't have to mean perfect.
15:49 mod6 I had started a new V in Ada, had to stick it in the drawer for a while. Not getting to exactly where I wanted to go (easy to read, fits in head, no perl/perlisms) with it at this time.
15:49 trinque nobody's going to come for you with pitchforks
15:49 mod6 Anyway, the hope was that it would replace my other PoC.
15:50 trinque ircbot's genesis features me writing CLOS like it's Java classes.
15:50 mod6 <+mod6> <+asciilifeform> diana_coman, mod6 , both of you appear to be suffering from mod6's barfolade-leaving vtron << wut << my V pukes exactly when it can.
15:50 mod6 during the press process, it finds that shas do not match the expected, and DIES.
15:51 trinque will at some point release vpatches with sane method names. but thing works, and I'm not going to obscure history because I knew less in the past.
15:51 mod6 it can't check the expected sha of a patch BEFORE its DONE patching.
15:51 mod6 s/patch/patched file/
15:53 * asciilifeform back
15:53 asciilifeform now where's that tarball
15:53 mod6 which
15:54 asciilifeform either diana_coman's or mod6's barfamatic set
15:54 asciilifeform at this point i'm quite curious re what gives
15:55 mod6 everytime we have this problem (note it's not the first) where we have someones vpatch with garbage in it....
15:55 mod6 then it gets re-generated
15:55 mod6 then we have to regrind stuff.
15:55 mod6 goto regrind;
15:55 asciilifeform mod6: in this case asciilifeform is quite puzzled why it appears to need a regrind; none of the file hashes should have changed
15:56 asciilifeform ( patches themselves are never hashed , aside from by gpg when verifying sig )
15:57 asciilifeform confirmed barf on readme
15:58 asciilifeform now trying to find why !
15:58 asciilifeform ( the two README are bitwise-identical )
15:58 mod6 ok. i'll see what i can dig up
15:58 diana_coman asciilifeform, mk, so no need for the tar I gather since you can easily reproduce it anyway
15:59 asciilifeform ok this is pretty sad
15:59 asciilifeform how come nobody bothered to look at second_cut with naked eye ?
15:59 mircea_popescu asciilifeform> what means 'finished', it's a spoil of war artifact. << that's entirely not related to the discussion.
15:59 asciilifeform phf how the hell did this get eaten by your vtron
16:00 asciilifeform the second_cut on my www -- is not a proper patch at all
16:01 asciilifeform but a genesis . all of the antecedents are 'false'
16:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's the smaller problem.
16:01 mircea_popescu the larger problem is that to arrive to this conclusion, you first bitched at everyone else.
16:01 asciilifeform the bigger problem is that nobody noticed.
16:01 mircea_popescu no.
16:01 mircea_popescu now stop doing this inane shit, it's a significant drag on resources.
16:02 mod6 fwiw, i've never even looked at this!
16:02 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 9 of 10 occasions it is somebody else's bug!1
16:02 mircea_popescu 2 of 2 here.
16:02 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: at any rate, mod6 is right , i'ma have to regrind the 2nd patch. and also stuck , deservedly, with the chore of demonstrating that the payloads are unaltered.
16:02 asciilifeform serves me right.
16:03 mircea_popescu observe that after bitching about the quality of work in empire, along the lines of "everything works for as long as you don't use it", our pile of stuff exhibits the same exact property.
16:03 asciilifeform if not tried -- wrong to say that it worx.
16:03 asciilifeform 'schrodinger's worx'
16:04 asciilifeform now i'ma go and get the mop, pick up the liquishit, brb.
16:04 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746776
16:04 a111 Logged on 2017-12-05 17:47 asciilifeform: ( lessee if i properly ate & shat, 'i do not consider myself a programmer, for i have another craft. let's say i am an amateur programmer. and yet though i am an amateur, i find myself having written tens of thou. of loc in this-here life. and at least a min of 10k loc for web. but wanna hear sumthing ? never have i created a security hole in any. never. do you suppose i simply had good luck ? possibly luck. or possibly i wrote the c
16:05 mod6 I should have examined/tested your mpi vpatches, alf. I'll continue to try to be a second pair of eyes, reading them. There's no substitute for reading. For those following along, take note.
16:05 asciilifeform and i oughta properly read yer vtron, mod6 .
16:06 mod6 Cheers!
16:08 mod6 Additionally, if someone in the republic wishes to create a vpatch/genesis and have a second pair of eyes look it over, by all means, send it to me.
16:08 mod6 I'll do what I can to vet it.
16:10 * trinque respectfully points out that at least by his eyes, V forces personal responsibility, not a pretense to being immaculately conceived.
16:10 mod6 indeed.
16:10 mod6 never hurts to have someone measure for the n'th time for you before you cut, however.
16:11 trinque no argument here.
16:11 asciilifeform this is not the 1st time i plugged a finger into 220v. the breaker, i will however point out -- worked
16:11 asciilifeform now to see which finger...
16:14 mod6 <+trinque> genesis doesn't have to mean perfect. <+trinque> nobody's going to come for you with pitchforks << no one expects a spanish something or other either...
16:14 trinque loller
16:15 mod6 but furthermore, i tend to agree. if i thought that my V would stay in perl forever, i'd probably already have created the genesis. however, i'd like to see if I can get the Ada version off the ground.
16:15 asciilifeform ok this is pretty strange:
16:15 asciilifeform i broke 'second cut' into patchons, and found :
16:15 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/RP2TH/?raw=true
16:16 asciilifeform AND http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/tpDxG/?raw=true
16:16 trinque mod6: makes sense, not vpatching a prototype
16:16 mod6 because what i don't want to do is have a perl genesis, then some vpatch that deletes everything and inflates a bunch of ada stuffs. prolly be better to start in the lang you expect to say within for the lifetime of the application.
16:16 asciilifeform or hm nm
16:16 * asciilifeform brb
16:17 mircea_popescu mod6 it's not a crime to have a perl vtron. however, if you plan as your own strategy to move away from perl and you're judging it more of a liability than anything, then by all means, eschew.
16:18 mircea_popescu original mod6 perl vtron was important prototype in the early life of v, made all sorts of latter things possible. exactly like original bitcoin. nobody said you have to marry it now though ; or divorce it for that matter.
16:18 mod6 It /is/ a bit worrysome that I believe that I'm the only person who knows how it works. And since it's the only version in existence that encompasses all of the rules arbitrated in our chamber, that a new version that is easier to understand is warranted.
16:19 mircea_popescu what language(s) you work in is your own, entirely personal, choice.
16:19 mircea_popescu i'm not going to pick a wife for you, "here, THIS is the woman you should be comfortable with". pick your own. languages idem.
16:19 mod6 :]
16:21 mircea_popescu on a long enough timeframe, there's going to exist a vtron in ~any language anyway, i expect.
16:21 asciilifeform hey folx
16:21 mod6 mircea_popescu: that's kinda neat really
16:21 mod6 asciilifeform: werd
16:21 asciilifeform i'ma double-chexk this before running mouth...
16:21 asciilifeform because i think i may have found a bug in diff
16:21 mircea_popescu ahahaha
16:22 mod6 :D
16:22 asciilifeform i'ma tar it up and let people replicate
16:22 mod6 ok.
16:22 mod6 cool
16:22 mircea_popescu inb4 ffa.diff reimpl
16:23 mod6 haha
16:25 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mpi/wtf.tar.gz
16:25 * mod6 looks
16:26 asciilifeform there was no mistake in asciilifeform's procedure for baking the item. second_cut is in fact a patch, not a genesis, asciilifeform spoke hastily. there is also no bug in mod6's vtron, or in asciilifeform's. diana_coman did not make a mistake.
16:26 asciilifeform i will not spoil the surprise , folx who look in the tarball will see what the caltrop was.
16:28 asciilifeform the sad part is that i have nfi how to cure this , it is a consequence of using unix diff ( with in-band signal ) to begin with.
16:29 asciilifeform ( observe that the sha512 sums of the readme in 'a' and 'b' match the ones given in the vpatch. but unix patch cannot actually make the patch happen. )
16:31 mod6 crap, just a sec, haven't even looked yet. bbs.
16:33 asciilifeform i recall a similar boojum in my 1st attempt at the FG release, that time it was a '+++' inside a uuencoded blob
16:33 asciilifeform some texts cannot be (!) vdiffed, for so long as we use unix diff; these appearently include gpg sigs
16:33 * asciilifeform brb, fresh air
16:34 asciilifeform ( clearsigs, to be exact . )
16:34 asciilifeform *apparently
16:34 * asciilifeform brb forrealz
16:35 mod6 <+asciilifeform> i recall a similar boojum in my 1st attempt at the FG release, that time it was a '+++' inside a uuencoded blob << lol, ok i see the problem too. you're right, this similar thing happened before.
16:43 mircea_popescu lol check it out, diana got split with the bots.
16:45 * BingoBoingo recalls diff being an issue, forgets the context
16:46 mircea_popescu we'll end up with a s/-/=/ intermediate step or wtf.
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16:48 mircea_popescu alternately, of course... "no clearsigned material within patches". this may even be a right thing independently of the actual bug.
16:49 mircea_popescu in that there's no reason to have them, and their presence is in itself sign of babbage's braindamage, much like say a canister for light, or a faucet for patience.
16:49 trinque differently wrong on openbsd patch
16:49 trinque http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xOpgc/?raw=true
16:50 trinque a read of the manfile of linux patch suggests *massive* fuckery to allow idjits to pull patches out of other text, email, newsgroups, etc
16:51 BingoBoingo Well, when discussing trb on Openbsd we are talking something that spans 5.5-ish and ends no later than 6.1
16:53 trinque who was? just trying a patch with bsd stubble vs gnu moss-hair
16:54 BingoBoingo trinque: Their move to clang as default compiler makes pain
16:57 mircea_popescu i suppose the third alternative is to actually implement a proper diff as part of vtron
17:01 phf there's nothing wrong with the diff, asciilifeform is thrashing
17:05 phf if you just run a diff -uNr on the two readmes, the resultant patch works. if you run a diff on the resulting patch and the vpatch in the tar, then you can see that there's something wrong with the vpatch specifically
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17:06 phf ------BEGIN PGP false
17:06 phf from readme_only.vpatch
17:07 phf ah, so what's actually broken in this particular case, is the original v implementation
17:07 trinque ah so the vdiff script wrapping diff probably did that?
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17:07 phf yeah
17:07 trinque makes total sense
17:09 phf http://btcbase.org/patches/mpi_second_cut#L5316 you can also see it in mpi_second_cut http://btcbase.org/patches/mpi_second_cut#L5316
17:09 phf err
17:12 phf so this error wouldn't surface until very last mile, in my case http://btcbase.org/patches/mpi_second_cut/tree/mpi/README fails to press
17:12 phf [2017-12-06 22:12:39 [ERROR]] removing line [-----BEGIN PGP false] but found [-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----]
17:23 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747668 << does not in fact work on my box
17:23 a111 Logged on 2017-12-06 22:05 phf: if you just run a diff -uNr on the two readmes, the resultant patch works. if you run a diff on the resulting patch and the vpatch in the tar, then you can see that there's something wrong with the vpatch specifically
17:23 asciilifeform i get same result as with mod6's vtron
17:24 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747657 << this wouldn't fix the problem, only move it. thinkaboutit. inband signalling sux.
17:24 a111 Logged on 2017-12-06 21:46 mircea_popescu: we'll end up with a s/-/=/ intermediate step or wtf.
17:24 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747672 << correct. same item as :
17:24 a111 Logged on 2017-12-06 22:07 trinque: ah so the vdiff script wrapping diff probably did that?
17:24 asciilifeform !#s +++
17:24 a111 90 results for "+++", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%2B%2B%2B
17:25 phf asciilifeform: you're misrepresenting the problem
17:25 asciilifeform ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596657 and originally http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-11#1581502 )
17:25 a111 Logged on 2017-01-05 00:43 asciilifeform: incidentally you will blow up on the +++ mine if you try and diff a vdiff.
17:25 a111 Logged on 2016-12-11 20:15 asciilifeform: and haha, there are TWO +++ lines !
17:25 asciilifeform phf: hm?
17:26 asciilifeform i'm all ears, phf . but my current understanding is that the problem is in that vdiff cannot eat arbitrary 7bitclean ascii files.
17:27 asciilifeform ( instead it can only eat ones that dun contain '---' and '+++' and possibly other boojums )
17:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform move it where ?
17:28 asciilifeform i'm also allears re: what a Properly Made vdiff oughta do. 'replace with ===' is not an answer, it simply creates a new magic death word, ===.
17:29 mircea_popescu nah. keep the current death word (---) ; replace all conflicts in raw input to ===.
17:29 phf the problem is not diff or diff format, the problem is that vdiff does a naive grep for a prefix and breaks a perfectly valid traditional patch
17:29 asciilifeform this will break code.
17:29 asciilifeform in particular, ada comments.
17:29 asciilifeform a great many of them.
17:29 mircea_popescu yes well. if you use in-band you end up with policed forbidden words.
17:29 asciilifeform phf: this is entirely correct. i dun see how it contradicts what i said however.
17:30 phf well, diff produces enough information for you to not have to do that.
17:30 asciilifeform phf: can you come up with a pill that doesn't break ada comments ?
17:30 phf but it will require either writing a vdiff from scratch, or else adding a better parser to vdiff
17:30 asciilifeform which also are often '[startofline]---'
17:30 mircea_popescu i thought ada comments were --
17:30 asciilifeform and quite often even '[startofline]--- foo'
17:30 phf yes, diff gives you exhaustive details about hunk size
17:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they gotta ~start~ with --
17:31 phf e.g. @@ -1,6 +1,3 @@
17:31 asciilifeform no other restriction.
17:31 asciilifeform phf: classical v does not touch these or attempt to use'em for anything.
17:31 phf correct
17:31 asciilifeform and i like it that way.
17:31 mircea_popescu moar complicated machinery ;/
17:31 phf _but it will require either writing a vdiff from scratch, or else adding a better parser to vdiff_
17:32 asciilifeform phf mircea_popescu mod6 et al any of you lot want to propose wat-do in this particular case ?
17:32 phf in this case "better parser" is a parser that actually understands the format it's processing
17:32 asciilifeform ( of 'second_cut' )
17:33 phf you can hand produce a second_cut that's not broken by tooling
17:33 asciilifeform in the earlier FG case i 'cheated' by rejecting the use of the uuencoded blogs in the 1st place
17:33 asciilifeform phf: specifically ?
17:33 asciilifeform say how ? to lose the gpg clearsig ?
17:33 phf no.
17:33 phf ffs.
17:33 asciilifeform if i mutilate it, it will no longer verify
17:33 phf you want me to write a second_cut by hand that presses cleanly?
17:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you shouldn't put gpg clearsigned bits in a patch in the first place.
17:33 phf and that doesn't in any way require breaking the files?
17:34 mircea_popescu phf since you're offering...
17:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ideally not. this readme.txt however was made to stand alone, in a blog article, and hence contained clearsig.
17:35 mircea_popescu and a rule whereby ada comments are "-- " not "--" is not the end of the world either.
17:35 asciilifeform i will point out that the mpi genesis was created in oct. of 2015, when v was 2 mo. old.
17:35 asciilifeform i am not adding extraneous rules to ada to satisfy idiotparser.
17:35 mircea_popescu stylistic rules happen all the time. "name variables like this".
17:35 mircea_popescu it's what it is.
17:36 mircea_popescu idiotparser has the extreme advantage of not even being a parser, ie, simplicity.
17:36 asciilifeform this is not a solution.
17:36 mircea_popescu why not ?
17:36 phf http://btcbase.org/data/mpi_second_cut.vpatch
17:36 * asciilifeform reads
17:37 trinque vdiff just needs to match diff chunk header lines better, and fixed.
17:37 asciilifeform phf: i see what you did. but how would you modify vdiff to actually produce this ?
17:37 asciilifeform rather than by hand
17:38 asciilifeform trinque: vdiff is 1line.
17:38 asciilifeform what 1line would you like to replace the old 1line with ?
17:38 trinque a better 1line
17:39 trinque as if that ball of hair is readable
17:39 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/PNipc/?raw=true << what phf did. for reference.
17:39 phf ~vdiff~ is broken. not diff, not lizard hitler, not gnu stack
17:39 trinque but it appears to say anything starting with --- must be diffheaderstuff
17:39 asciilifeform phf is entirely right. it is broken exactly as in the earlier '+++' case
17:39 trinque that's stupid
17:40 mircea_popescu hey! change the grep ? from "---" to "--- " ?
17:40 asciilifeform this will fix this case. but not the general case.
17:41 mircea_popescu and similarily for +++. buys some space.
17:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes.
17:41 mircea_popescu still, ironclad argument that current grep is broken : looks for PART OF the header it should.
17:41 mircea_popescu the correct diff header is "--- " ; not "-" nor "---".
17:42 asciilifeform i'ma upload a signed phf-cured second_cut presently, if no one can think of a reason not to
17:42 asciilifeform ( as seen in above diff )
17:43 mircea_popescu no.
17:43 mircea_popescu take out the god damned clearsigns.
17:43 mircea_popescu they utterly don't belong there. you got a .sig mechanism for this.
17:43 asciilifeform works also
17:43 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/3-idiots-in-preference-of-saying-indians-are-cognitively-impaired-for-reason-of-genetic-inferiority/ << Trilema - "3 idiots", in preference of saying "Indians are cognitively impaired for reason of genetic inferiority"
17:44 asciilifeform the problem is more or less guaranteed to recur, however, i suspect.
17:44 mircea_popescu vdiff should be fixed to search for the full 4 char header also.
17:44 mircea_popescu and yes the problem will recur.
17:44 asciilifeform i'ma practice test-press prior to publication, from nao on
17:44 asciilifeform unfortunately this is necessary.
17:44 mircea_popescu you WEREN'T ?
17:45 asciilifeform not in oct 2015 !
17:45 mircea_popescu nothing unfortunate about this being necessary.
17:47 asciilifeform btw phf your cure is not curative
17:47 asciilifeform it still barfs on readme (1 chunk, instead of 2)
17:47 asciilifeform fwiw.
17:47 asciilifeform i'ma do what mircea_popescu said.
17:48 mircea_popescu i expect his method (add the terminating ---s the thing expects even if spurious) works even if implementation may need work. tho i dun wanna go down this road.
17:49 mircea_popescu incidentally -- which sha512 are we using ? not keccak is it.
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17:50 asciilifeform sha512 is the ancient sha512
17:50 asciilifeform long pre-dates invention of keccak .
17:50 mircea_popescu ie sha-2, fips 180-2
17:51 asciilifeform aha, that very same. same work of heathenry as sha256.
17:51 mircea_popescu right.
17:51 asciilifeform keccak afaik ships with no unix, to this day.
17:51 mircea_popescu if we start fucking with vdiff, this is the first mover.
17:51 mircea_popescu once we have keccak.
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17:51 asciilifeform i'd quite like to see this.
17:51 mircea_popescu item scheduled for eucrypt lib so keep watch of diana_coman 's blog. can be just taken from there put here.
17:52 asciilifeform neato.
17:52 mircea_popescu if anyone seriously considers re-writing venerable diff/patch into v-dp
17:57 asciilifeform ok here goes:
17:58 asciilifeform genesis and second_cut, patches and sigs, replaced with fixed versions per mircea_popescu's methid;
17:58 asciilifeform *method
17:59 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/XIHd7/?raw=true & http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/eNbPh/?raw=true show what was done to each vpatch, respectively.
17:59 asciilifeform others are invited to verify that no other changes were made.
17:59 asciilifeform and that the corrected set of patches, presses.
18:00 asciilifeform to to diana_coman , mod6 , mircea_popescu , phf , for their sweat .
18:00 asciilifeform *ty
18:05 asciilifeform corrected items ( and their seals ) are live at same place, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747494 .
18:05 a111 Logged on 2017-12-06 20:12 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mpi/mpi-genesis.vpatch http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mpi/mpi-genesis.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig for the l0gz.
18:06 asciilifeform fa32a27b8ac0753d6052abd37f56df545490315c3019ab0c9e695543f1f14b6bf70aba29a88982eea82a1e8c4a112e6cb9d4e4553062a977bb0bac38ddd91981 mpi-genesis.vpatch
18:06 asciilifeform fba9ea0ece4c138f9510f20a91942dde57ca2273da2ee776004dc2404dbdf815283b05aa2487689c13043882ce65a09a2a9ef33bde444b4a9fedc5971fdf8a3a mpi_second_cut.vpatch
18:06 asciilifeform b05ca401ecfe3f5bfa8794377241db12f5dc302fc552075ab3c78e7379b5b6a838af6d37d725798556cb27bc57213c388c92fa9b06f2e9233264b3ea8f89824f mpi-genesis.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig
18:07 asciilifeform cab965c726b50f98e3d74a1be4b119dcf65c9900749d33707525c94c1432b855f2e3d39043a4fbb9d907fe3853242fccd773017a2d3763bdd76fbc9a6f6a01dd mpi_second_cut.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig
18:07 asciilifeform apologies for log clutter.
18:09 mircea_popescu ya srsly.
18:09 asciilifeform pretty sure this is all, tho.
18:11 diana_coman I can confirm this version presses with mod6's vtron
18:13 asciilifeform interestingly , this item was the 2nd thing asciilifeform ever genesised ( http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-October/000175.html ) . 1st was trb.
18:15 asciilifeform the genesis contained the clearsig. this did not choke vdiff, it ended up on the right side of a genuine +++ , there was no symptom of problem.
18:16 asciilifeform the second_cut however did not contain the clearsig. this -- set the trap.
18:16 mircea_popescu yes, perfect properties to make a subtle bug
18:16 asciilifeform aha.
18:21 asciilifeform elsewhere in subtle bugs, http://trilema.com/2017/3-idiots-in-preference-of-saying-indians-are-cognitively-impaired-for-reason-of-genetic-inferiority/#comment-123826
18:24 diana_coman I can also confirm that it presses with asciilifeform's v and moreover that the 2 results are - as expected - same
18:25 asciilifeform should be same other than for the readme, aha.
18:31 asciilifeform diana_coman and anyone else who builds, tests, studies this item, is invited to sign.
18:33 diana_coman asciilifeform, will do
18:33 asciilifeform same goes for ch1 of ffa, incidentally.
18:33 diana_coman good point there, huh
18:33 asciilifeform anyone who considers self a 'graduate' of ch1, i.e. having loaded it Into Head, is invited to sign the genesis.
18:34 asciilifeform i will host the seals.
18:34 asciilifeform ( and phf prolly also, he has a convenient place for this )
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20:35 asciilifeform meanwhile in pertinent oldies, http://trilema.com/2016/ideological-history-of-the-republic/
~ 21 minutes ~
20:56 mircea_popescu heh
21:00 mircea_popescu this is actually a great fucking article!
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21:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: perhaps deserves a sequel ?
21:37 mircea_popescu i think so.
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21:57 mircea_popescu and in other "omg i can't believe this still exists", http://violentacres.com/two-phrases-that-destroyed-american-culture/
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22:29 mod6 asciilifeform: I can confirm that your new patches & sigs (posted above) at least ~press~ happily: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1islx/?raw=true
22:37 mod6 <+diana_coman> I can confirm this version presses with mod6's vtron << thanks for checking this out too!
22:45 asciilifeform neato. ty mod6 .
22:45 mod6 np o7
22:45 asciilifeform lol mircea_popescu : asciilifeform habitually read the chix, ~decade ago
22:46 asciilifeform had nfi it were still around somewhere.
22:50 mircea_popescu ikr ?
22:50 mircea_popescu was one of the maybe i dunno, 6 ? 10 ? bloggers worth the mention.
22:53 mircea_popescu "sweetney" (period idiot) meanwhile morphed into tracey gaughran, for instance. lives in baltimore, is a "digital content and strategy" aka http://trilema.com/2014/the-battlefield-of-the-future/#selection-31.1330-31.1456
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23:26 mircea_popescu http://www.menarebetterthanwomen.com/violent-acres/ << remember like ... 5 years ago, when people still could emit readable text ?
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