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00:05 ben_vulpes what how on earth did that get in there
00:05 ben_vulpes that box runs a 4.7, maybe use=bootstrap pulls in a gcc 6?
00:13 asciilifeform dafuq is that ansii colourcontrol code soup doing in yer shell, ben_vulpes
00:13 asciilifeform firstofall.
00:14 asciilifeform i can't evenread this, it makes my eyes water.
00:15 asciilifeform at any rate you gotta ban gcc>4.9 .
00:15 asciilifeform ( put it in the package.mask, per asciilifeform's cookbook. )
00:16 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/hey-remember-when-the-internet-didnt-suck/ << Trilema - Hey, remember when the Internet didn't suck ?
00:17 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748600 << ftr i have nfi who either him or the other derp was, and dun think i missed anything by this not knowing.
00:17 a111 Logged on 2017-12-08 04:34 mircea_popescu shan't be mentioning maddox again, wtf is this misery.
00:18 mircea_popescu internet culture.
00:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'threatening the structural integrity of the greater reddit community' ?!
00:19 asciilifeform gold medal.
00:19 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: that's build.log
00:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform dumb femspeak (nowadays aka "google employee") for "making it not look like what we want it to"
00:22 asciilifeform !#s gleichschaltung
00:22 a111 1 result for "gleichschaltung", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gleichschaltung
00:22 ben_vulpes also the gcc on the box *is* running a 4.7, gcc-config -l does not list the mentioned six
00:26 mod6 what does `which gcc` show?
00:26 ben_vulpes /usr/bin/gcc
00:27 ben_vulpes and gcc --version ... 4.7.3
00:28 asciilifeform looks like it came from gnat2017 tarball ?
00:29 ben_vulpes when run without the bootstrap use flag, gnat-gpl still unpacks a few gcc-6 gzips and bz2s
00:29 ben_vulpes ah shoot that's probably it
00:30 asciilifeform tbh the retardation of gcc5+ dun affect , in any known way, ada -- the rotters rotted c/cpp frontend strictly
00:31 asciilifeform and per the comments in ffa ch1, 2017 actually fixed inlining
00:31 asciilifeform so i refuse to fatwa gnat17.
00:31 asciilifeform but all of my works do and must build on 16 and prior.
00:31 ben_vulpes isn't it defacto fatwad if it won't work with 4.9?
00:32 asciilifeform it is odd that it barfs, oughta live side by side.
00:32 asciilifeform i'ma try it myself this weekend.
00:32 * asciilifeform not yet personally touched gnat17.
00:34 asciilifeform i test these days on 16-gnu and 16-adacore.
00:35 asciilifeform it is quite depressing that this is even a topic. but there is not, nor have ever been, language where linker etc are standardized along with all else.
00:36 asciilifeform best horse in glue factory.
00:39 * asciilifeform bbl
00:43 ben_vulpes somehow gcc:4.9.4 blocks gnat-gpl-2016
00:43 ben_vulpes what a mess
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04:41 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748567 <- thanks for checking it!
04:41 a111 Logged on 2017-12-08 02:56 mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748189 << Thanks for posting. I can confirm that diana_coman's vpatch presses fine: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GVmx0/?raw=true
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07:42 BingoBoingo mod6: tyvm, so far things are well. Still screening companions for trip to the abogado and collecting potential abogado contacts
07:43 BingoBoingo <cazalla> anyway, before the kids go for the power point and phone again.. i'm off.. nice pics BingoBoingo << Glad to see you return
07:53 BingoBoingo !~ticker -market all
07:53 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is a valid (1 more message)
07:53 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
07:53 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14814.0, vol: 30626.85827944 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14890.0, vol: 163472.13845571 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14902.0, vol: 6608.24936289 | Volume-weighted last average: 14878.797902
07:55 mircea_popescu CRASHING o noes
07:57 mircea_popescu aand in other lulz : the median age of kiev city is 35 yo for males and 40yo for females.
07:58 mircea_popescu this notwithstanding, men still prefer women 5 years younger.
07:58 BingoBoingo In other news, ethereum is now not metaphorically, but literally a tire fire https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/12/07/1951257/cryptocurrency-miners-are-using-old-tires-to-power-their-rigs
07:58 mircea_popescu lol
07:58 mircea_popescu the shit pantsuits wanna read about...
07:59 mircea_popescu it's like anime otakus but without the sex.
07:59 BingoBoingo What isn't sexual about it. Big black openings burning with desire...
08:00 mircea_popescu this may be erotic, but it isn't sexual. sexual is you know, with sex organs. not with substitutes.
08:03 mircea_popescu !!withdraw 0.092419 1949t6yHTStJJYesvt8a1S86Dd8dvBzsRo
08:03 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/93quL/?raw=true
08:05 mircea_popescu meanwhile in penetration news, http://78.media.tumblr.com/27c879c04479609641d8896b0bfe703b/tumblr_nk3i4ldMsX1u9el6po1_400.gif
08:08 BingoBoingo Well, they are meeting the openings where they are
08:09 BingoBoingo In other withdrawls, valve/steam are quitting Bitcoin over their inability to bring value: "“At this point, it has become untenable to support Bitcoin as a payment option,” Valve concluded. “We may re-evaluate whether Bitcoin makes sense for us and for the Steam community at a later date.”"
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08:39 asciilifeform meanwhile, on the hannoboeck planet, https://neopg.io << usg tool marcus brinkmann proclaims 'clean rewrite of gpg' , with fanfare, spamola ( e.g. http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2017/12/08/1 ) , 'modernisms', the full shebang.
08:41 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo pretty big push in the usg."tech" community to not support bitcoin. fiver dropped it, of all people. and in general, i dun imagine you'll see usgtron support it nativel.
08:41 asciilifeform ( moar lulz , for the expert entomologist, here, http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2017/12/08/5 , where d00d expounds re 'weak and strong random', studiously pretends that overflowlang bignum matters, etc. )
08:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: speaking of derpfunders, https://archive.is/grrrK << 'Patreon lets creators hide the amount of money they are actually making, although the number of patrons is still public. Boruta’s numbers are based on the roughly 80 percent of creators who publicly share what they earn. Of those creators, only 1,393 — 2 percent — make the equivalent of federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour, or $1,160 a month, in October 2017'
08:43 asciilifeform ( gotta luvv the 'creators' newspeak )
08:44 mircea_popescu 2% ie, THE RICHEST.
08:44 asciilifeform aaha.
08:44 mircea_popescu 98% make the federal minimum wage in zambia.
08:44 asciilifeform i'ma guess that ~0 live outside reich
08:44 asciilifeform ( i dun think usg coin-operated scamola works outside reich )
08:46 mircea_popescu aaanyway. the word on this whole "usg as understood by pantsuit is powered by "technology" as understood by pantsuit" shebang being http://trilema.com/2016/files-from-the-war-on-the-web-today-literotica/#footnote_2_65745 ; leading to the whole http://trilema.com/2017/lets-revisit-the-google-is-irrelevant-discussion/ debacle.
08:47 mircea_popescu in which context, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748557 is not at all coincidental. google isn't worth anything in any proper sense ; but it has a brand, which is now being "monetized" in the classic IAB sense of the term (spamola for the rest of the world).
08:47 a111 Logged on 2017-12-08 01:15 asciilifeform: in other great-agains , https://archive.is/wbVbJ >> 'Google plans to increase to 10,000 the number of its staffers tasked with tracking down extremist content on YouTube. "We will continue the growth of our teams, with the goal of bringing the total number of people across Google working to address content that might violate our policies to over 10,000 in 2018," YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki told Britain's Daily Telegraph in an intervie
08:48 mircea_popescu ie, the fundamental problem of the worthlessness of ugc is being plumbed by usg at the wrong end : by abusing the power of the state to create imaginary value (a "creator" on etsy/patreon/etc might just be ye olde myspace band worth 0.00 ; but a "moderator" on reddit/youtube/etc is DOING GODS WORK and therefore how do you dare say priest time is worth 0 terrorist!!!)
08:49 mircea_popescu there's a large contingent of useless neets who can be "hired" (job creation! yay!) and who for the past decade had it hammered into them at the thanksgiving table that "why don't you work for google! that's where the smart kids and all the money is! check out their playroom!!!1"
08:49 mircea_popescu so now they DO work for google, in the only sense that matters to the ustard : "being able to say so".
08:49 mircea_popescu "a maximum of impact with a minimum of effort" as far as the usg is concerned : trades in a worthless dead elephant for the continued attention of 10k useless schmucks it for some reason decided to put on the rolls.
08:51 mircea_popescu watching the conclave of imbeciles "resolve" their "problems" as they understand and formulate them is the highest form of entertainment available under the sun.
08:56 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> "a maximum of impact with a minimum of effort" as far as the usg is concerned : trades in a worthless dead elephant for the continued attention of 10k useless schmucks it for some reason decided to put on the rolls. << From what I understand when Google hires the 10's of thousands in batches they do so through "Manpower" and other contract work agencies for nominally 12-15 usd/hr (usually less than $fedminwage
08:56 BingoBoingo effectively due to shittiness of moderation system). That is unless the news is Google is taking the contractors on as direct hires
08:57 mircea_popescu i expect they want to turn as many of their cogs as possible with it. so yes, hired through manpower, mandatory-complimentary "id protection" from equifucks and so on.
09:04 BingoBoingo AHA, but yeah. Historically google had done this quietly. Then sometime earlier this year a pansuit rag did "expose" on practice which simply removed google's shame about the whole thing.
09:07 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: dunno if you knew , but actual-work-doing ( yes there is some prolly even today ) arms of usg, hire exactly like-so : through contract peonage agencies
09:08 asciilifeform everybody from 95% or so of r&d, to mop men, to guards, same thing
09:08 asciilifeform long ago asciilifeform worked on just such a contract, for many years.
09:08 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Aha, back home near airforce base the sort was met all the time. USG.mil desk veteran hired and rented to usg.
09:08 asciilifeform if u.s. army can do it -- why not google et al.
09:09 asciilifeform theoretically crippled veterans etc got preferential dibs on the 'green' ( the card thing that opens doors and logs into winblowz, is differentially coloured for different types of slave ) jobs. (dod contractor 'purple')
09:10 mircea_popescu in other lulz : archive.is uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate is not trusted because the issuer certificate is not trusted.
09:10 asciilifeform lol!! gotta wonder wtf the thing is doing with sslolade, crapflare, etc
09:10 mircea_popescu ikr.
09:10 asciilifeform what's the even nominal justification. it's a public toilet.
09:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the verification fails "for unknown reasons" tho, and it's at least nominally a comodo issued item
09:11 * mircea_popescu still lulz at how these "certificates" srtill include md5.
09:13 mircea_popescu $item, if anyone gives the slightest shit : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9YaRs/?raw=true
09:20 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2017/the-new-and-improved-republican-glossaurus/ << updated, for great justice. comments welcome.
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09:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: hey, if 'null crypt' ( make noises, exhaust gasses, but dun actually do any crypto ) remains a valid mode in 100% of usgcryptocrapolade -- why not also md5.
09:37 asciilifeform cryptoplacebo.
09:38 asciilifeform !#s null cipher
09:38 a111 10 results for "null cipher", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=null%20cipher
09:43 mircea_popescu myeah.
09:45 mircea_popescu in other shit you'll never believe, ukr chickie dun wanna costa rica because "prefers milder climates". "20 is too hot for her"!
09:45 asciilifeform aaactually i can picture.
09:45 mircea_popescu apparently there was a glaciation in europe while i was not paying attention.
09:45 BingoBoingo lol, Montevideo too hot as well?
09:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform really ? how ?
09:45 asciilifeform asciilifeform for instance likes cold.
09:46 mircea_popescu so you don't consider the standard human temperature mild thereby ?
09:47 asciilifeform what means 'standard human temp' ? 36.6 ? if mircea_popescu walked into a room at 36.6 he would say 'sauna', betcha
09:47 asciilifeform so can't be that. then which.
09:47 mircea_popescu no. the technological standard for "temperature in a human habitat" is 20.5
09:47 asciilifeform 'stp' ?
09:47 mircea_popescu yes.
09:47 mircea_popescu just like the technological standard for "water spout in human habitat" is > 1galon/day
09:47 asciilifeform stp Officially is 0C, lel
09:47 mircea_popescu and so following. human life is not this novel and fascinating item. war planners have been circumscribing it for a century+.
09:48 * BingoBoingo working on adjusting to temperatures in human units
09:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i thought you meant "at standard pressure" ie as opposed to who knows what arcana you had in mind.
09:48 asciilifeform room temp is very muchly a subject of taste, neh
09:48 mircea_popescu !~google 20.5 celsius to farenheit.
09:48 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: 20.5 C in Fahrenheit - CoolConversion .com: <http://coolconversion.com/temperature/20.5-C-to-Fahrenheit>; 20.5 degrees C to Fahrenheit - Celsius to Fahrenheit: <http://celsiusfahrenheit.co/20.5-degrees-C-to-Fahrenheit-20.5>; 20.5 celsius to fahrenheit: <https://convertsumo.com/20-5-celsius-to-fahrenheit/>
09:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not more than average human height is.
09:48 mircea_popescu that you prefer x or y has no bearing on how human femur has been the same length since before the notion of preference was invented.
09:49 mircea_popescu jesus fuck google you're useless already.
09:49 asciilifeform for all we know the 2 are not unrelated, and the pygmies shrunk from lack of wholesome, medicinal frosts.
09:49 mircea_popescu meanwhile there's a reason the population of eskimo lands was a) never large and b) always selected for suckitude.
09:50 mircea_popescu what's this, chucka worship now ?
09:50 asciilifeform dunno, is mircea_popescu's 'chix ~must~ be 2m tall' swede-worship ?
09:50 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> !~google 20.5 celsius to farenheit. << ~68-69
09:51 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: subjectively folx tend to 'feel' climate not as the avg. temps, but the extremes, i suspect
09:52 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> meanwhile there's a reason the population of eskimo lands was a) never large and b) always selected for suckitude. << Lack of healthful medicinal sweat. Essentially homosapiens are a sort of cabbage, need a bit of frost but also time not froze.
09:52 mircea_popescu well tell you what, ukraine does 40 degrees.
09:52 mircea_popescu costa rica never yet managed such a wonder.
09:53 mircea_popescu the fucking definition of mild is "interval of five degrees centered on human ideal". as opposed to "SIXTY degrees intervals centered on fuck your mother, we hate you."
09:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: asciilifeform had a relative recently go to the ruins of the old world, and came back with photos of korean air conditioners installed on ~every wall. no such item existed even in early post-sov 1990s, and not strictly from the cost.
09:54 asciilifeform tho i suspect not 'warmer air currents', but americanization, 'eww, sweating' etc
09:54 mircea_popescu i've yet to see an ac unit here.
09:55 mircea_popescu well, cars have them,. but then again cars go to teh beach.
09:55 asciilifeform yer ac is the lift that goes up to the mountain neh.
09:55 asciilifeform to castle mircea_popescustein.
09:56 mircea_popescu whole sj valley is blessed with altitude-mediated mildness.
09:57 asciilifeform neato.
09:58 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> well tell you what, ukraine does 40 degrees. << Perils of being far from an ocean
10:00 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
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10:01 BingoBoingo Ah, the new normal. I move to South America and suddenly neither the current USD price not its all time low vs Bitcoin are certain
10:01 asciilifeform for some reason the beautiful equatorial mild valley bananistans, never grew anything in the way of interesting ~people~
10:02 asciilifeform the 'good climate makes folx lazy and slowly climbing 'back up to trees' ' item is an old saw, but i'm not aware of any major hole in the theory
10:02 BingoBoingo Well, lack of persistent stresses
10:03 BingoBoingo Sure some acute stresses like hurricaines and volcanos, but nothing like the certainty of winter coming and you get ready or starve
10:04 asciilifeform shit-climate where agriculture is completely impossible -- chukchaizes, sure.
10:05 asciilifeform but to return upstack to thread -- i can easily picture folx who dun want to move to where there are no seasons.
10:05 asciilifeform and dun see it as unreasonable.
10:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu you never liked seasons ?
10:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't dispute that part. sure, necessity is the mother of invention, a proper beating whenever needed the cornerstone of domestic bliss, and so following.
10:06 mircea_popescu but this doesn't make beatings tenderness nor the howling winds of the frozen praries mildness.
10:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i like seasons ok, but the thing with this particular spot is that it's ~perpetual spring.
10:07 mircea_popescu which is pretty much the only way one can ever be prevailed upon to trade seasons in.
10:07 asciilifeform mircea_popescu often writes about the degenerately slothful italians. why do you suppose they are so ? could be the 3 harvests they get ?
10:08 * asciilifeform has never lived in a perpetual spring. but pictures, possibly naively, that if he were to, would have to take occasional break and go on trip to the arctic, say. just for contrast.
10:09 asciilifeform otherwise -- habituation, addiction, 'luxury ratchet' as in the old mircea_popescu article re chix with caviar
10:11 mircea_popescu sure.
10:11 mircea_popescu i'm not proposing to forbid winter or anything.
10:13 asciilifeform speaking strictly in re 'why would ukr not dream of moving to tropical gardenofeden'
10:13 mircea_popescu moving wasn't on the table.
10:13 asciilifeform then nfi.
10:15 asciilifeform i read 'ukr chickie dun wanna costa rica' as 'import pet', possibly.
10:16 mircea_popescu nah. you know how most people do "one night stands" whereby they meet some chick in the evening and are out of her dorm by noon next day ?
10:17 mircea_popescu my implementation involves jet flight and goes for a week at a time, but otherwise...
10:17 mircea_popescu call it an extended photo shoot, why not.
10:17 asciilifeform right, but 'do the squirrels know' ? ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579087 )
10:17 a111 Logged on 2016-12-07 15:31 asciilifeform: 'what do you think is happening'
10:18 mircea_popescu how would i go about knowing what squirrels know ? i am not a squirrel myself.
10:18 asciilifeform possibly the chix see themselves as candidates for perma-move, and evaluate under it.
10:18 asciilifeform hence the 'i wouldn't want to lose seasons' thing.
10:19 mircea_popescu well... i never heard of anyone turning down night at the movies because it'd be uncomfortable to live in the movie hall. but who even knows.
10:19 asciilifeform just like when plebes invite'em overnight, they see 'marriage candidacy' etc.
10:19 mircea_popescu seems a little far fetched.
10:20 mircea_popescu anyway, getting together the material for a reshoot of ye olde http://trilema.com/2011/nsfw-gradina-edenului/ ; in which sense your garden of eden reference is quite lulzily apt.
10:20 asciilifeform lol neato.
10:20 mircea_popescu (no, not gonna publish the results. i'm like the world's only and thereby also foremost private pornographer.)
10:20 asciilifeform dunno, seems quite popular hobby
10:21 asciilifeform iirc even today 19th c. era 'private porns' regularly turn up in attics.
10:21 asciilifeform probably goes back to daguerre, and if you count hand-drawns -- to cave man.
10:21 BingoBoingo In other news yesterday's 7 argentine roommates were replaced by a smaller crowd of Brazilians
10:22 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: equally invisible as the 7 ?
10:22 BingoBoingo So far two distinct types of Brazilians have been observed
10:22 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: more visible
10:22 BingoBoingo 1. Speaks spanish with the clearest accent possible 2. Terrified of Spanish, vastly prefers English language
10:23 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: But less of them.
10:23 asciilifeform lol BingoBoingo type1 sounds like yer personal nsa stoolie attache
10:23 BingoBoingo After retiring from la oficina last night mananged to socialize a bit
10:24 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Nah, 1 is not found in useful contexts for that
10:26 BingoBoingo I suspect the clarity of the Brazilian spanish accent is related to my own previous aural experience. When I studied a bit of portugues the accent was far easier for me to produce myself.
10:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah but matter of quality.
10:30 asciilifeform if mircea_popescu says his personal pr0n is of high quality -- why should i not believe.
10:31 asciilifeform and there's nothing outrageous or even remarkable about not publishing something, asciilifeform dun publish and dun intend to 99.999..% of his various attempts, folx routinely make cake of arbitrarily good quality to eat by themselves, whatever.
10:34 asciilifeform it wouldn't surprise me, for instance, if one day mircea_popescu said that he made fine shotguns, but only hunted with'em himself. mendeleev made... suitcases. etc.
10:35 mircea_popescu tru
10:44 BingoBoingo ?me contemplating taking up leather craft as a hobby in ~1-3 years if still here and business goes well in a way that allows some time for hobbying
10:44 BingoBoingo for the reason of better (for me) luggage and all
10:45 kjj mircea_popescu: did you get my message earlier? My router crashed shortly after I sent it, so if you replied I didn't see it
10:46 kjj well, technically, the UPS my router is plugged into shut down because it thinks it has a bad battery, but the end result is the same
10:47 mircea_popescu what message be that ?
10:47 kjj I had put in another request on mpex a little more than 2 days ago
10:47 mircea_popescu aha ?
10:48 kjj I take it there isn't much activity on that site these days
10:48 mircea_popescu yes, you keep taking that.
10:48 mircea_popescu now, do you have a stat showing you are in fact liquid for the amt ?
10:49 kjj yup
10:49 mircea_popescu lessee.
10:53 kjj https://pastebin.com/raw/80pSQT3b
10:55 mircea_popescu am i supposed to decrypt with your own key ?
10:56 mircea_popescu also use http://p.bvulpes.com/ for pastes please.
10:56 kjj hmm. thought I encrypted it with your key
10:56 mircea_popescu !!key mircea_popescu
10:56 deedbot http://wot.deedbot.org/6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452.asc
10:59 kjj http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Xit0m/?raw=true
11:02 mircea_popescu "Wednesday the 6th of December 2017" << do you have one from prior to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-27#1743331 ?
11:02 a111 Logged on 2017-11-27 14:20 mircea_popescu: kjj http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iNoOh/?raw=true
11:03 kjj http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QWNd3/?raw=true
11:05 mircea_popescu am i supposed to decrypt with your own key ?
11:05 kjj grr. sec
11:06 kjj http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/KO2AY/?raw=true
11:12 mircea_popescu heh look at that, payment tx got stuck.
11:12 mircea_popescu kjj sorry for the inconvenience, you should have it presently.
11:13 kjj ok. thanks
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11:37 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
11:37 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15190.03, vol: 29568.44845415 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14914.15539186, vol: 149771.95652829 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15390.3, vol: 5975.35499307 | Volume-weighted last average: 14973.5260422
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12:26 trinque damn it kanzure, call back the solar shield. it snowed last night in houston.
12:29 mircea_popescu is this part of the ongoing global warming ?
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12:47 deedbot http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2026 << Loper OS - Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 2: Logical and Bitwise Operations.
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13:22 BingoBoingo Milestones, first chivitos 14:14 GMT -3
13:22 asciilifeform wassat
13:22 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Local steak sandwich with egg. Mistakely ordered two
13:23 * BingoBoingo also dropped la ropa off at la lavadora
~ 53 minutes ~
14:16 mircea_popescu ands in other lulz, every time there's a major usd devaluation event, a new crop of http://trilema.com/2013/the-story-of-pointless-and-witless/ "joins" in the sense of "flips a bit inside own head from self-importantly ''ignoring'' bitcoin to just as self-importantly ''being involved'' in bitcoin, as if either bit state or the act of flipping can possibly matter in any manner" and then set to "fixing" their manifest inadequac
14:16 mircea_popescu ies (as perceived by themselves, which is to say, ''bitcoin problems'') through the SAME EXACT recipebook of nonsense.
14:17 mircea_popescu "going to regulate" it, check that out, as if anyone asked the dumb sons of a whore anything.
14:28 BingoBoingo Well they weren't asked and can't imagine being unwanted, so they derpity herpalurp
14:28 BingoBoingo Until they are finally asked... to shut up
~ 22 minutes ~
14:50 ben_vulpes relatit: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-08/cohn-downplays-bitcoin-risks-as-white-house-eyes-evolving-market
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15:13 asciilifeform 'Cryptocurrency’s rise not a serious risk, Trump adviser says' << lol!!
15:14 asciilifeform [Global Notice] Hi all, we will be migrating services (NickServ, ChanServ and friends) to a new server in roughly half an hour. << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702605
15:14 a111 Logged on 2017-08-23 17:51 asciilifeform picture kgb d00d putting down cut wire in tap box to take smoke break
15:19 BingoBoingo !~later tell gabriel_laddel Seriously wtf are you still doing in KKKalifornia.
15:19 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
15:20 asciilifeform oh hey i wonder if he's got gangrene yet
15:20 asciilifeform ( and if not -- why not )
15:22 BingoBoingo It's been a surprisingly long while. Stimulants and wound healing typically don't play well together
15:23 asciilifeform even more oddly so then, neh
15:23 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748848 << they'd fucking better.
15:23 a111 Logged on 2017-12-08 20:13 asciilifeform: 'Cryptocurrency’s rise not a serious risk, Trump adviser says' << lol!!
15:23 mircea_popescu opposite tack worked poorly for ph.
15:23 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748851 << lol look who's suddenly discovered the great outdoors.
15:23 a111 Logged on 2017-12-08 20:19 BingoBoingo: !~later tell gabriel_laddel Seriously wtf are you still doing in KKKalifornia.
15:24 mircea_popescu most zeks never leave "the country" aka zone, bb. it's WHY the zone even exists.
15:24 asciilifeform i laughed the first time, years ago , when i first read mircea_popescu said this on trilema; but since then met whole horde of usa folx who never even had a загранпаспорт
15:25 asciilifeform and 'what, go where'
15:25 mircea_popescu aha.
15:25 asciilifeform part of it i suspect is the feeling of futility, they know that the usian reservation is waiting for'em wherever they go
15:26 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, I'd never left. So far I am noticing most prices here, where shit apparently happens in Uruguay only moderately lower than rural middle west yet... Quality of everything except door hardware vastly better in most respects
15:26 asciilifeform ( in the places to which they'd even contemplate, that is, going )
15:26 mircea_popescu the "feeling of futility" is notable part of arsenal of self-imbecility, of course.
15:26 * BingoBoingo met first other gringo here last night at hostel
15:26 BingoBoingo ~41 hours after plane touched down
15:27 asciilifeform !~later tell phf plox to update patchviewer with ch2 at your earliest convenience
15:27 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
15:27 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: wat's wrong with the door ?
15:27 mircea_popescu meanwhile in horseplay, http://78.media.tumblr.com/6c9529da59bd0faed7a0c9032ee3f739/tumblr_nbp4rldRnp1sprsjzo1_500.gif
15:28 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Most doors everywhere here tend to stick, latching mechanism last greased insufficiently and too far in the past
15:28 BingoBoingo Similarly toilet seats are uniformly lightweight molded particle board painted white.
15:29 BingoBoingo And the sinks while uniformly shiny often are showing early signs of valve failure.
15:29 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: so far this matches the description of typical flat in usa
15:30 asciilifeform ( at least east usa )
15:31 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: In middle west toilet seats usually molded lightweight plastic resin, and sinks/doors tend to be more routinely maintained
15:31 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i've even seen actual wood .
15:31 asciilifeform in the oldest houses, strictly.
15:32 mircea_popescu wood is not really all that great for this application.
15:32 BingoBoingo I have seen actual wood in US, usually homes of older people whether house is young or old
15:32 asciilifeform laquered, naturally. and why not ? good insulator
15:33 mircea_popescu eh, the sort of wood that doesn't work, like used for eg eastern iconography, is kinda expensive.
15:34 mircea_popescu incidentally, can anyone recount teh helter-skelter charlie mason scenario of risk, the game of world-diplomacy and international intrigue ?
15:34 mircea_popescu because it's one funny yarn.
15:35 asciilifeform !#s intrigue game
15:35 a111 10 results for "intrigue game", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=intrigue%20game
15:36 mircea_popescu lol
15:36 asciilifeform it's apparently a phrase, but i only know it from mircea_popescu
15:36 mircea_popescu you know what risk is ?
15:37 asciilifeform philosophically..?
15:37 mircea_popescu nah, there's this tabletop game from the 80s, before esltards could engage in "reasoned commentary" on the interwebs
15:37 asciilifeform parchesi ?
15:37 mircea_popescu they did the same thing with little plastic figurines. "the nation of africa".
15:38 asciilifeform dice game, with back-and-forth motion, it ?
15:39 mircea_popescu https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91jJWHkkA1L._SL1500_.jpg <this thing
15:39 asciilifeform pretty sure i saw this. there was also a more interesting variant with bluffing and under-the-table note-passing deals etc.
15:39 asciilifeform a yea saw.
15:39 asciilifeform dun tell me this is played outside of 3rd grade tho
15:40 * asciilifeform at this point ready to expect just about any infantilism from 'games world'
15:40 mircea_popescu of course it is. 100% of "discussing" "events" "news" and "politics" is this. what else is orlov, moldbug, wha have you ?
15:40 mircea_popescu this and this only, from al-jazeera to cnn. what else ?
15:41 mircea_popescu anyway. so there's two relevant episodes of seinfeld. in one, the resident imbeciles (the fat lazy one, postman, and the hipster doofus) engage in a VERY IMPORTANT game of nothing in particular. in the other, elaine's tasked to review a book about this cockeyed optimist.
15:41 asciilifeform i dare say that dice players have a more accurate picture of reality than typical orlolist
15:41 mircea_popescu they melded together, because they're such a grandiose summation of the "Achievements" of common postmodern man.
15:50 mircea_popescu in other news : if you run a piece of shit firefox on a dirty box somewhere, and if you never upgraded it as you don't intend to upgrade it ; and if the ever-creeping idiocy of the world puts you in this situaiton where various ssl-"protected" sites are no longer loading :
15:51 mircea_popescu about:config, search for browser.ssl_override_behavior and set it to 1, which entirely disables the pretense of "security" in https.
15:51 asciilifeform ooh neato
15:51 mircea_popescu yw
15:52 asciilifeform ^ prolly oughta go in the cuntoo-cookbook, in fact
15:52 mircea_popescu they'll prolly going to "fix" it now that it's in the open.
15:52 asciilifeform let'em 'fix' whatever they want in ~their~ tar.gz of failurefox
15:53 mircea_popescu if only. but the way their idiocy works, they'll just i dunno, refuse to deliver pages spuriously because your browser doesn't sing "hail hilarity" in the right order.
15:53 asciilifeform pretty soon, actually. iirc google et al had a 'replacement for html' in the works, with various novel idiocies baked in
15:54 asciilifeform at some point one will need a sort of proxy simply to read heathenwww on anything like human os/iron
15:54 mircea_popescu 10`000 idle http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=criminology experts included, i hope ?
15:54 asciilifeform presumably.
15:55 mircea_popescu anyway, back to the topic upstream :
15:56 mircea_popescu the manson apocalypse goes as follows : 1. he makes a really happenin' record. 2. all the she-sluts of california swarm him. 3. all the black dudes who used to fuck these bunnies get really pissed off upon coming home and discovering the cumdumpster's ran off. 4. so pissed off they get, they riot and burn down some of the white man's shit.
15:57 mircea_popescu 5. the white man gets really fucking pissy about it, and like, does really mean things to the blacks. 6. the ~millitant~ black secret police uses this to provove a war between the "racist" and "non-racist" whites, which are conveniently dumb and also evenly matched.
15:58 mircea_popescu 6. everyone dies ; but!!! meanwhile manson was like underground with all the sluts from 2 ; 7. they come back out, kill the like three white people left ; 8. the black dudes discover they suck anyway, and joyously submit (to, literally, balin' cotton.)
15:59 asciilifeform iirc robert heinlein had this.
15:59 mircea_popescu this would be why allowing the lower classes outside of the whip-and-yoke combo is a bad idea.
15:59 asciilifeform !~google farnham's freehold
15:59 jhvh1 asciilifeform: Farnham's Freehold - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farnham%2527s_Freehold>; Farnham's Freehold : Robert A. Heinlein: 9780671722067: Amazon ...: <https://www.amazon.com/Farnhams-Freehold-Robert-Heinlein/dp/0671722069>; Farnham's Freehold by Robert A. Heinlein - Goodreads: <https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/50840.Farnham_s_Freehold>
15:59 mircea_popescu asciilifeform when was this ?
16:00 asciilifeform old...
16:00 asciilifeform 1960s
16:00 mircea_popescu well yes but 1962 or 1969 ?
16:00 asciilifeform 62.
16:01 mircea_popescu the manson theory is he lifted it from the beatles. but...
16:01 asciilifeform 1964. apparently.
16:02 asciilifeform http://www.troynovant.com/Stoddard/Heinlein/Farnhams-Freehold.html << oblig modern pantsuit butthurt re ancient b00k.
16:08 mircea_popescu man, remember the times a hugo meant somenthing ?
~ 27 minutes ~
16:35 asciilifeform looong ago.
16:36 asciilifeform ( today it is given to approx. 'blackest, femalest, queerest' etc victimolympiad medalist )
16:38 mircea_popescu well the fact that the whole thing is ten anon schmucks in a foodcourt somewhere dun help any.
16:38 asciilifeform ~900 anon schmucks
16:38 asciilifeform in a... but who cares
16:39 mircea_popescu i would be surprised if they can get enough people together to interest a cheap restaurant.
16:39 asciilifeform !~google worldcon
16:39 jhvh1 asciilifeform: Worldcon | The World Science Fiction Convention: <http://www.worldcon.org/>; Worldcon - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldcon>; The World Science Fiction Society | Worldcon and the Hugo Awards: <http://www.wsfs.org/>
16:39 asciilifeform subj.
16:39 mircea_popescu yaya.
16:39 mircea_popescu according to google, all the pantsuitisms are HUGE
16:39 mircea_popescu irl, there's a long abandoned locked door.
16:40 asciilifeform these are what mircea_popescu calls 'rubber chicken feasts', massive at least in body count
16:40 asciilifeform if not in any other substance, loud, public.
16:40 mircea_popescu these are what argentines call "night clubs". "massive" except NOT TODAY. nor any other day. they happen, sometime, somewhere, for sure. but not ever actually.
16:41 mircea_popescu prior to 4am "the night life hasn't started yet". at 3:45, you know, "oh, there's nobody here because NOT STARTED YET". then at 4am "come back next time".
16:41 * asciilifeform never been to 'worldcon'. but even the nearest imitation , in baltimore, md, typically has a few thou .
16:42 mircea_popescu of which 0.what % even know what the fuck is there ?
16:42 mircea_popescu mall, also has a few thou. they just walked in to get out of the rain.
16:42 asciilifeform why they are there, is a quite orthogonal q, and not an easy one.
16:42 mircea_popescu if one day that self-same mall that gets coupla thou each day puts up "world con!11" posters doesn't mean they're conning anyone.
16:42 mircea_popescu much like if hillary stands her pantsuit on a rock and gestures wildly, she's not making the sun come out "from hiding"
16:43 asciilifeform really it is not difficult to find a few thou idjits to sell tickets to. witness the 'seekoority' cons, with 10s of thou warm bodies, coupla hundy ea.
16:43 mircea_popescu there;s a humongous difference between crowd driving and crowd following. which is why cowboys (traditional herd drivers) think very little of shephers (traditional herd followers)
16:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's a corp racket. they're disguised pep rallies.
16:44 mircea_popescu "oh you don't want to talk to our ''consultants'' ? what ifwe pretended this isn't happening at work ?!?!"
16:45 asciilifeform the 1 asciilifeform was sent to, few yrs ago, was even worse than this.
16:46 mircea_popescu but anyway, major distinction between burning man style things, catering mostly to the unemployed hipstger crowd, and the buzzword things, catering mostly to the castrated yuppy crowd.
16:46 asciilifeform ( e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-18#1375488 )
16:46 a111 Logged on 2016-01-18 18:36 ascii_butugychag: on account of that schmuck at shmoocon who was peddling a group-theoretical crypto algo, quasi-proprietary and patentalicious, that was more or less stolen verbatim from maslennikov's book...
16:47 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-16#1372921 << +.
16:47 a111 Logged on 2016-01-16 18:53 ascii_shmoocon: holy shit everything mircea ever said was true
16:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: point being, there is also a castrated employed hipster crowd, and every other combinatoric arrangement of these also.
16:48 mircea_popescu see also http://thewhet.net/2016/12/argentina-comicon-bonbon/
16:49 * asciilifeform read it
16:49 mircea_popescu the age of cons etc is well past.
16:49 asciilifeform i cannot answer whether they're a ~profitable~ racket in usa. but they ~are~ well-attended.
16:50 asciilifeform certainly not the picture with 'old rusty door'.
16:50 mircea_popescu they are not a thing though. airport bathrooms also well attended, and yet no glory holes counterculture.
16:50 mircea_popescu which was the point : remember when a hugo meant something.
16:51 asciilifeform and meanwhile yet another 'last 7 yrs!111' led lamp sputters, dies, in asciilifeform's machineroom.
16:51 asciilifeform installed in... july
16:52 mircea_popescu why do you keep buying them ?
16:52 asciilifeform heat
16:52 mircea_popescu i have incandescents here, 50 or so lamps, didn't yet have to change one
16:52 mircea_popescu ah
16:52 asciilifeform i'd pay easily a few hundy, say, for a good one. but it's a mythical beast.
16:54 asciilifeform really oughta put in fluorescent tubes, but asciilifeform spent too much already for 1 lifetime under fluorescents.
16:55 * asciilifeform brb.
~ 58 minutes ~
17:53 asciilifeform meanwhile, in the spam traps, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Q6GK4/?raw=true
17:54 asciilifeform 'Please invest responsibly'
18:05 mircea_popescu lol coinbase pretending like anyone using them ? THATS NEW!11
18:06 asciilifeform lulzy tho, 'expect goxlag!'
18:07 asciilifeform fwiw i bought a coin there once to see what would happen. ( but earlier i also did this at... mtgox . worked there also! )
18:07 asciilifeform it did!11
~ 38 minutes ~
18:46 mircea_popescu hastawork sometimes
~ 57 minutes ~
19:43 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> prior to 4am "the night life hasn't started yet". at 3:45, you know, "oh, there's nobody here because NOT STARTED YET". then at 4am "come back next time". << Aha, Argentines last to wake and last to sleep
19:43 mod6 evenin'
19:44 BingoBoingo Bom noche
19:47 mod6 <@deedbot> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2026 << Loper OS - Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 2: Logical and Bitwise Operations. << will read. thanks for posting!
20:00 mod6 always remember to thank the bots.
20:08 mircea_popescu lel
20:09 mod6 how goes tonight?
20:10 mircea_popescu ran in the rain, got terrible shin cramps from it, got massage from nude interloper while playing with her tits... my life is so unfair.
20:11 mod6 haha
20:12 shinohai Still snowing here, power is back though so yay
20:12 mircea_popescu hey.
20:12 mircea_popescu good thing all the pantsuits saved you folk from dat blogal marming, huh.
20:13 mod6 thankgerd
20:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so, did your time spent with the orlov menagerie pay off ?
20:18 BingoBoingo Lol, the weather today muy bien, Felt around 27 at 2 pm then cooling ocean breeze and clouds. Sun went down and it warmed back up a bit.
20:18 BingoBoingo In old country summer days not like this at all
20:18 mircea_popescu ocean on the right, better than ocean on the left.
20:20 BingoBoingo Tell that to Florida...
20:20 BingoBoingo But that could also be the gulf making it hurriciane bait
20:20 mircea_popescu hm.
20:20 mircea_popescu i guess i shouldn't generalize!!!1
20:21 BingoBoingo Eh, +ocean so far beating -ocean
20:23 BingoBoingo Adjusting to activities of daily living is happening, taking more time than I though.
20:25 BingoBoingo Hopefully by Monday some recommendations on abagados will have rolled in, but... not yet. Last one cold contacted offered a shelf corp for $4800, gringo rate (para tax shelter) appear to hover around $5000 mas o menos. Still trying to find srs businessman rate.
20:32 BingoBoingo Necissito mas venezueleanas
20:33 mircea_popescu motherfucker.
20:33 mircea_popescu so /me finally was going to look at steam today. after you know, waiting for it to die like five years.
20:33 mircea_popescu idiots stopped taking bitcoin like, wednesday.
20:36 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748872 << http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch2_logicals thanks for letting me know
20:36 a111 Logged on 2017-12-08 20:27 asciilifeform: !~later tell phf plox to update patchviewer with ch2 at your earliest convenience
20:36 phf also added gpr and adc to get colorized as ada
20:41 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> idiots stopped taking bitcoin like, wednesday. << Ayer
20:41 BingoBoingo Miercoles? no, ayer
20:42 mircea_popescu where's the fucking video with the entire boardroom of steam shaving their armpits and shoving live chickens up their assholes in wailing agony of shame and regret for having SOLD all the bitcoin they got immediately, instead of keeping it ?
20:43 mircea_popescu "oh, we don't expose ourselves to currency risk, because we're self-important hookers with self-determination and human rights and we get to make decisions and shit"
20:43 mircea_popescu DID NOT work out for them ; and in typical fashion of imbecilitard, they WILL NOT confront it. ever. 100% dedicated to this, until i personally fucking grind their face in the dirt, they'll go on "lalala we know shit":\
20:44 mircea_popescu "gotta cater to the neets, that\s where the five bux is hurr durr"
20:45 * BingoBoingo awaits NeetBGone spray
20:45 BingoBoingo Brb, mingle time
~ 41 minutes ~
21:27 deedbot mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/cMntd/?raw=true
21:27 deedbot hanbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/DkhxL/?raw=true
21:28 deedbot hanbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zHdaA/?raw=true
21:30 trinque dat fee market.
21:31 mircea_popescu lel
~ 1 hours 8 minutes ~
22:39 hanbot <mod6> always remember to thank the bots. << mhm, thanks deedbot <3
22:43 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-09#1749008 << nope, deadly-boring
22:43 a111 Logged on 2017-12-09 01:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so, did your time spent with the orlov menagerie pay off ?
22:43 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-09#1749023 << ty phf !
22:43 a111 Logged on 2017-12-09 01:36 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748872 << http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch2_logicals thanks for letting me know
22:49 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-09#1749022 << did any of these nonsenses ever ~take btc~ , or did they merely take bitpayolade ? ( and the latter i'll guess finally croaked..? )
22:49 a111 Logged on 2017-12-09 01:33 mircea_popescu: idiots stopped taking bitcoin like, wednesday.
22:50 asciilifeform last i heard, e.g., dell and microshit, 'took bitcoin' ( equally fiatronically )
22:53 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-09#1749025 << pretty great, it worx
22:53 a111 Logged on 2017-12-09 01:36 phf: also added gpr and adc to get colorized as ada
22:54 asciilifeform !~later tell phf consider sharing your ada parser, i'd like to make a clickable-keywords hyperlinked thing at some point
22:54 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
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