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02:55 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911324 -> yes, it's a brick of a book but in fact not really dense or anything; everytime I haul it out of the shelf and onto the table I inevitably wonder why exactly is it so heavy really.
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02:55 a111 Logged on 2019-05-06 01:01 asciilifeform: ( 2012 barnes -- ~phonebook backbreaker )
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04:29 mp_en_viaje http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-05#1911289 << more to it if you're eaten... nature doesn't belive in multiple designs, an esophagus is just as warm, soft an' juicy as a vagina.
04:29 a111 Logged on 2019-05-05 23:32 asciilifeform: i suspect that errybody with even surface familiarity with subj of hanging, knows this
04:29 mp_en_viaje so i suppose the right thing to do, if ever swallowed by some mastoton or w/e, is drop one's pants and fuck the damned thing's gullet.
04:31 mp_en_viaje http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911317 << it's altogether dubious it'll ever make you any money ; but if the goal is to smoke without having to deal with other people then prolly worth it.
04:31 a111 Logged on 2019-05-06 00:39 danielpbarron: medical recently passed here, and licenses go for 2.5k WFF
04:44 mp_en_viaje meanwhile in marriage superstitions, https://x.imagefapusercontent.com/u/alienvisitor/8087505/767768748/lady-beetles-720x717.jpg
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05:02 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910647 <-- sorry, saw this way late in that evening. schedule was way packed with walking, birdsong listening and others that wait to be documented on teh blogs
05:02 a111 Logged on 2019-05-02 11:51 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910599 << ima leave for belgrade tomorrow morning ; we can set something up for today but gotta move limberly.
05:04 spyked meanwhile, /me is back to his regular schedule and will spend the week processing photos, writing and planning
05:04 mp_en_viaje aite
05:07 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910659 <-- come to think of it, there's no reason to limit pastebin to images. could do text files as well and extend to other formats as needed
05:07 a111 Logged on 2019-05-02 12:04 mircea_popescu: someone was even going to implement it, which is the last i heard of it.
05:08 mp_en_viaje yes.
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05:23 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910755 <-- I dun much like hunchentoot, on account of http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/05c-development-log-i.html#selection-187.0-192.0 ; but I'm open to using it if the alternatives turn out to be insufficient
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05:23 a111 Logged on 2019-05-02 14:35 lobbes: though it seems like lots of people here use hunchentoot for that purpose, and it seems that hunchentoot is easily modified to interface with apache through mod_lisp
05:26 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910954 <-- same here. would defo sign cl-who genesis, and will genesis it myself if needed
05:26 a111 Logged on 2019-05-02 18:39 asciilifeform: lobbes_field: i've previously used 'cl-who', but it needs to get eaten/genesised/frozen
05:30 * mp_en_viaje shall bbl!
05:32 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910762 <-- so far wwwism kit seems to include: a. http server, b. curl, c. html gen. (a) is the next item on my list, with (c) and (b) coming next, and... is there a (d)?
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05:32 a111 Logged on 2019-05-02 15:23 asciilifeform: none of these currently on front burner, but will be 9000x easier to revive if meanwhile lobbes et al produce an edible cl 'wwwism kit'
05:33 spyked grrr, I meant b. curl
05:36 * spyked bbl himself, back to rowing in the slave galley
05:44 phf spyked: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/05c-development-log-i.html#selection-147.0-153.252 << i've used araneida for early btcbase, i've dropped it in transition from cmucl, but i'd say that it's the least encumbered of the bunch. i don't remember it having any "administration interfaces". it's written in the late 90s hacky style, and it's missing functionality (for example i wrote entire form parsing logic when i was trying to add patch
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05:44 phf submits)
05:45 phf it doesn't have any kind of "architecture", so more than once i've had to hack somewhere deep inside request parsing code in order to support something or other
05:49 phf spyked: wookie is not a hunchentoot fork, it's its own thing built around an async ffi. one thing you might want to add to your list is how much ffi-ing is required, or rather how "c heavy" the code is. for example teepeedee2 is extremely fast, but doesn't work anywhere but sbcl and linux, because it uses all kinds of libc features.
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07:56 spyked phf: I might have misread http://archive.is/iUlSp#selection-2259.0-2270.0 ; anyway, I've only used cl-http-server seriously so far and would highly appreciate input from phf and ben_vulpes on cl wwwtronics
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08:17 spyked re ffi, in that older research I've tried to avoid fast-running code in favour of fits-in-head, but I'll make sure to double-check in this iteration. the only www-related cffi dependency I recall was in cl+ssl, which I will remove on sight before genesis
08:21 phf well, wookie depends on cffi through cl-async which depends on cffi and cl-libuv, where libuv is a C async library. teepeedee2 also depends on cffi and is full of code like https://raw.githubusercontent.com/vii/teepeedee2/master/src/io/epoll.lisp
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09:14 jurov I disrecommend. Messed with cl-async (via vim interface) and it's hell to debug. It also takes over debug and trace outputs and redirects then nooneknowswhere.
09:14 jurov Ended up coding own neovim interface from scratch.
09:16 jurov Lest I forget: cl-async does not support slime
09:18 jurov so it would suck in emacs either
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10:08 mp_en_viaje spyked, you got the format backwards, linked "curl" with an anchor of http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/082-tmsr-schedule-i.html#selection-125.0-132.0
10:09 mp_en_viaje http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911362 << why the fuck would they do this.
10:09 a111 Logged on 2019-05-06 12:21 phf: well, wookie depends on cffi through cl-async which depends on cffi and cl-libuv, where libuv is a C async library. teepeedee2 also depends on cffi and is full of code like https://raw.githubusercontent.com/vii/teepeedee2/master/src/io/epoll.lisp
10:09 mp_en_viaje seriously now.
10:09 mp_en_viaje evetything depends on happymeal. why do things this way!
10:12 mp_en_viaje https://github.com/cffi/cffi/blob/master/cffi.asd
10:13 mp_en_viaje hurr durr loli veira. why is "ffi" even a thing in the first place.
10:21 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: 'foreign function interface', i.e. mechanism for calling unixisms (socket, fileism, mmapism, etc)
10:24 asciilifeform ( in particularly egregious cases -- is used to call not merely kernelisms, but entire chunks of c-built binariolade, e.g. db systems etc )
10:25 lobbes !Xbid 1047 110mn
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10:25 asciilifeform for bonus ugly, it aint in the cl standard.
10:27 asciilifeform phf described this in detail, in prev. threads.
10:30 asciilifeform ( why not standardized, was touched on here and possibly elsewhere )
10:30 a111 Logged on 2018-03-08 19:44 asciilifeform: so can haz a hypothetical contrary ? i.e. how would it have looked to have 'standard interface' to a thing which itself has no intention of obeying any standards ?
10:33 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911332 << heavy cuz glossy paper, i suspect.
10:33 a111 Logged on 2019-05-06 06:55 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911324 -> yes, it's a brick of a book but in fact not really dense or anything; everytime I haul it out of the shelf and onto the table I inevitably wonder why exactly is it so heavy really.
10:38 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911347 << last time i surveyed the available items (~decade ago) 'hunchentoot' turned out to be the only 1 that wasn't fatally defective in some obvious way (some of the alternatives wouldn't build at all, others -- wouldn't use iron threads on x86; yet others missing some large piece , e.g. custom eggog pgs , etc ) but it's been a while
10:38 a111 Logged on 2019-05-06 09:23 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910755 <-- I dun much like hunchentoot, on account of http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/05c-development-log-i.html#selection-187.0-192.0 ; but I'm open to using it if the alternatives turn out to be insufficient
10:38 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, ok, but why.
10:38 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911356 << i seem to recall that this was when the log www regularly fell down...
10:38 a111 Logged on 2019-05-06 09:44 phf: spyked: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/05c-development-log-i.html#selection-147.0-153.252 << i've used araneida for early btcbase, i've dropped it in transition from cmucl, but i'd say that it's the least encumbered of the bunch. i don't remember it having any "administration interfaces". it's written in the late 90s hacky style, and it's missing functionality (for example i wrote entire form parsing logic when i was trying to add patch
10:39 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: why which ? why open sockets by talking to linux ? i agree, the Right Thing would be a cltron that drives nic directly etc.
10:39 asciilifeform nobody's got 1 yet tho.
10:40 mp_en_viaje even in the situation where a) you have to talk to linux and b) you can't talk to linux, WHY would you make something that eminently IS NOT a ffi, then call the thing that isn't a ffi "ffi" and then purport to use it ?
10:41 mp_en_viaje kids who want a slavegirl but can't afford a slavegirl will sometimes buy a painted pillow and call it susan. but more commonly, and especially if not FUCKING FUCKED IN THE HEAD, they'll just watch older sis shower or something more directly separate.
10:42 asciilifeform which particular piece of braindamage is this in re: ? ( e.g. sbcl, does have a -- ugly, but working -- ffi knob, hence how it does in fact let you open socket etc )
10:43 mp_en_viaje here, cffi, and why al sorta things that needn't are nevertheless brought to depend on it.
10:43 asciilifeform aa
10:43 mp_en_viaje here's our axe. it depends on happymeal. here's enemy tomahawk. it depends on our happy meal. and here's [our version of] antique roman amphora. it... depends on happy meal.
10:44 mp_en_viaje why the fuck would all the objects in a purported whole wide world depend on the same bit of circumstantial minutia.
10:44 asciilifeform those, are cuz 0 standardized abi on linux . so instead various horrors where gcc is invoked, a small c proggy is shat out in realtime, built, then jumped into.
10:44 mp_en_viaje you KNOW cffi ain't the holy grail of ffi. what is it then, such that it is found in general's boot and wench's bellybutton ornament and airplane tip
10:45 asciilifeform it's a primo demo of how linux idjicy is contagious.
10:45 asciilifeform ( and not really isolatable )
10:46 mp_en_viaje more practically, what the fuck do we do.
10:47 asciilifeform first gotta fully describe the atrocity, so as it is not repeated in future. mp_en_viaje recall that shoemaker-era defunkt public toilet in timis 3 blocks from 'kaufland' ?
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10:47 asciilifeform recall how it had rubbish 2 feet deep ?
10:47 mp_en_viaje not particularly, but i'm sure
10:47 asciilifeform consider how this comes about. toilet clogged, dunno, some time in 1990 perhaps. so folx pissed on floor.
10:47 asciilifeform floor thoroughly enpissed. so wai not also throw cig butt on it.
10:47 asciilifeform nao has 6 inch of cig butts. wai not, then , throw bottles.
10:48 asciilifeform nao a foot of bottle 'cultural layer'. d00d walks in, and hey wainot take a shit on it.
10:48 mp_en_viaje from the contrary perspective : i get it that you folk wanna write lisp. the principal problem seems to be that this can't currently be actually done
10:48 mp_en_viaje a different flavour of bootstrap problem : extant lisp can't bootstrap itself a runtime on extant cpus.
10:49 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: this isn't even false. the illusion, however, is that 'c links natively, write c proggy' is some kinda improvement.
10:49 mp_en_viaje im not proposing that.
10:49 asciilifeform right
10:50 mp_en_viaje but i am also not happy about ending up with who knows what loli baked into "traditional tmsr process"
10:50 asciilifeform recall naggum's summary, in reply to similar thrd : went sumthing like 'it is correct that unix does not support commonlisp. but it in fact does not properly support ~anything~.'
10:51 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: while we sit on unix, we will inevitably 'bake whoknowswhat loli'
10:51 mp_en_viaje if this is the choice i'd rather bake loli anony than loli veira.
10:51 phf i don't think cffi is much about support of anything, it's almost always "there's a gnarly C library that i don't want to write in lisp, going to make a thin wrapper around, now has support for X
10:51 phf "
10:52 mp_en_viaje phf, quite. and, in this statement, it's precisely that sorta loli productivity i object to.
10:52 asciilifeform asciilifeform came to conclusion 'build new irons' decade ago not because masochist, but because direly overdue sole solution to whole slew of otherwise-intractable problem.
10:52 mp_en_viaje "now has support for x" like luis has hacker cred.
10:54 auctionbot Buy order # 1047: 500 WFF, WU esta bien Heard: 106mn from PeterL outbidding lobbes. Ending: 2019-05-07 04:56:28.887251 UTC (25 hours 54 mins)
10:55 asciilifeform phf: it's straight gabrielladdelism.
10:55 phf that's why my original "add how much ffi to your list", so that any ffi can be immediately dismissed
10:56 mp_en_viaje i run into these schmucktards with the "ourdemocracy" beards all the damned time. "oh, i've been to spain". no, motherfucker, you haven't been to spain.
10:56 a111 Logged on 2019-05-05 19:23 mp_en_viaje: anyways, even with civillians... me spent a few hours in the tiniest spa known to mankind. rando couple, "soo.. .are you a triplet ?" "actually, they're my slaves" "wut?!?!?" "do you know what bdsm is ?" dude : nope ; chick yup.
10:57 mp_en_viaje phf, thinking about it, it would seem the apache approach is the only sane one.
10:57 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: the folx who 'i went to 7 countries! i.e. ate 'bigmac' in 7 diff. mcdonaldsen' ? that's exactly it.
10:57 mp_en_viaje have lisp run as a scripting language (which is to say, inferior, kiddy fare) inside adult programs.
10:57 mp_en_viaje rather than try and pretend lisp is a workable systems language on x86 and then "ffi"ing all over the place.
10:58 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, really insufferable, this "ease of everything" they've "built" in the way you describe above re broken toilet. it works well for an everything that takes values from the set shit, piss, cigg butt, beer bottle, ad flyer, fcmg wrapper.
10:59 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: it's been tried, 'cl as script lang', bog slow cuz bringing it up ( cl on x86 is moar or less halfbaked lispm emulator ) takes time.
10:59 mp_en_viaje i think apache mod cl thing brings it up once per instance (of apache)
11:00 mp_en_viaje i dunno, i've not sawed it thoroughly appart. but seems vaguely flavoured in right thing vein
11:00 phf mp_en_viaje: it's the shitsoup ecosystem, there's a handful of packages smartly written, like hunchentoot or cl-http, and then there's new wave of cffi-everything approaches, that stand tall and pretend to be people
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11:00 mp_en_viaje i believe.
11:00 asciilifeform 'hunchentoot' etc. are almost always run 'behind' apache as it is ( so static files serve up faster )
11:01 mp_en_viaje this honestly may be the third workable design : have an "abstract" lisp server for http, have an apache in front of it.
11:01 phf tbnl from which hunchentoot comes used to be pure mod_lisp, another code to look at
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11:02 mp_en_viaje ie, the interface will have to exist. now -- it'll either be a) "magic" in the sense of cl-http, whatever, graybeard asked thor and thor did him a personal fabvour ; or else b) "magic", in the sense of loli veira asked her daddy, and her daddy told her she's pretty, so clearly. african magic.
11:02 asciilifeform yer still stuck with ffiism tho, i.e. can't even open socket to receive input from apache w/out it.
11:02 mp_en_viaje but there's also the c) of "use the fucking filesystem as an interface", X dumps to file and Y reads from file
11:03 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: bog-slow.
11:03 mp_en_viaje i'm not giving implementation details, i'm tryna draw the architectural lines.
11:03 asciilifeform it is very easy to describe a working scheme, and afaik pretty much all of these variants are in use somewhere. but all have same set of problem.
11:04 mp_en_viaje i thought phf 's idea was to map the set vs the usecase set.
11:05 asciilifeform rright, asciilifeform however must point out why the map will inevitably read like the description of the 'cultural layer' in the timis toilet.
11:06 mp_en_viaje i do not think this is necessarily so, specifically because of the narrowness of http usecase.
11:06 mp_en_viaje if lisp-o-tron spits out html files and apache delivers them, this will be web-fast
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11:07 mp_en_viaje meaning, updates may be slow to propagate, but consider -- new trilema article takes 15 mins to make it to rss, and as far as any rss reader is concerned, it
11:07 mp_en_viaje s infinitely fast.
11:07 mp_en_viaje if that's the cut, you may get away with no need to anything besides the fs.
11:08 asciilifeform i'm not aware of any previous cl httptron that made this particular cut, so it's defo worth attempting imho.
11:09 * asciilifeform brb:teatime.
11:12 * mp_en_viaje attempted to read the year-old convo you linked here, seems to me it's substantially unrelated. i was protesting poor organisation on historical lisp team, the "oh but c sucks" point never was either disputed or much engaged.
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11:48 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: yea it is wrong link. but so far not found the needed one.
11:48 mp_en_viaje aha
11:54 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911437 << at 1 time i dug into phf's leads in prev thread re subj and tried to determine a 'time of death', i.e. approx moment when -- apparently -- the 'old guard' (folx who maybe quasi-remembered, secondhand, lispm) retired/decamped/descended into bottle, and poetterings took over. but then realized it is not esp. useful q to ask.
11:54 a111 Logged on 2019-05-06 15:00 phf: mp_en_viaje: it's the shitsoup ecosystem, there's a handful of packages smartly written, like hunchentoot or cl-http, and then there's new wave of cffi-everything approaches, that stand tall and pretend to be people
11:55 asciilifeform given any particular cl relic, it is usually not difficult to say which half of the divide it fell into
11:55 asciilifeform if had to give approx. date, tho, would say ~2011 .
11:56 mp_en_viaje erryone moved into bitcoin heh
11:56 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: evidently enuff wreckers were left over for older, smaller things, even tho bitcoin.
11:58 * asciilifeform in 2010-12 'surely usg will muster king's horses and king's men' days , did not expect it to look like gavin, expected moar microshit-style 'embrace&extend', e.g. 'ibm bitcoin client' or sumsuch
11:59 asciilifeform y'know, sorta how was done for linux etc
12:10 mp_en_viaje yawell
12:10 mp_en_viaje kissinger is probably rolling in grave worth at least 2-3 kW over the whole guaio comedy.
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12:11 asciilifeform btw, for thread-completeness strictly, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/cultural_layer_1.jpg , http://www.loper-os.org/pub/cultural_layer_2.jpg .
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12:11 a111 Logged on 2019-05-06 14:47 asciilifeform: first gotta fully describe the atrocity, so as it is not repeated in future. mp_en_viaje recall that shoemaker-era defunkt public toilet in timis 3 blocks from 'kaufland' ?
12:13 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, i'm not even sure i ever saw that particular one. not that there's any shortage.
12:13 mp_en_viaje for lulz completness : https://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-cultura-21294613-timisoara-desemnata-capitala-culturala-europeana-2021.htm
12:13 asciilifeform i saw at least 2 other roughly similar.
12:16 asciilifeform and afaik the object is pretty typical in post-sovok space. ( and iirc the celts also returned to shitting where they stood when rome left britain . cuz wainot, right. )
12:16 mp_en_viaje hootchentoot.
12:17 asciilifeform 'anti-communism' types for some reason have this 'biological' antipathy for concept of working public toilet. 'if you want to shit, buy a bigmac and mcd will letya take shit'
12:17 asciilifeform in usa there are ~0 public toilets in the euro sense.
12:18 mp_en_viaje mcd wil llet you shit for free, for that matter.
12:18 asciilifeform dunno re when mp_en_viaje was still there, but incidentally the spiffy underground toilets in the museum square were chained shut, when i saw'em in '17
12:18 asciilifeform all of'em.
12:19 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: today yes for free. result is that they nearly always resemble the timis item (albeit with ~working throne)
12:19 mp_en_viaje it occurs to me i had no impulse to seek a public toilet, i can't recall since when.
12:19 asciilifeform cuz not designed to house 200 hobos / hour
12:19 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje believes in french method, eh
12:20 mp_en_viaje certainly not since crossing the pond. previously, went to pee in sabana (relatively large cr park) and discovered in the process the toilets there primo A++ gay cruising material, reminiscent of glory days of new york gay life
12:20 mp_en_viaje half dressed dood totally would've sucked it if i said something
12:21 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, well, rather's the situation, i move from restaurant to cafe and from cafe to club and from club to hotel and from etcetera. i suppose if i were desperate i could order a girl drink me, but so far's not been any need for that.
12:21 asciilifeform fairnuff
12:22 asciilifeform if they drink tho, will have to empty'em eventually eh.
12:22 mp_en_viaje currently sitting with very nice tawny port, coffee etc in elaborate cafe an' "this place would be so nice if it didn't have a piano" were the last words out of my mouth.
12:23 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, you know that experiment with the ducks ?
12:23 asciilifeform hm which
12:23 mp_en_viaje guy established a duck most voracious animal in nature, can eat thirty ducks, through the following pocedure :
12:23 mp_en_viaje started with 30 ducks, cut one up, fed it to remainder 29, ... fed penultimate duck to last duck.
12:24 asciilifeform notbad, lol, pkzip
12:25 asciilifeform iirc there's an english folk song about ~this.
12:25 asciilifeform 'then we will die and feed the worms, feed the worms, ducks, they will come and eat'em up, eat'em up, others will come and eat up ducks, eat the ducks...' etc i fughet how the rest.
12:26 mp_en_viaje aha
12:27 asciilifeform i suppose this is a possible 'harem sport' -- chix take turns drinking one another's 'morarji cola' , last 1 to give up, winner
12:28 asciilifeform prolly already televised competition in jp or sumsuch
12:30 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911469 << iirc d00d is still alive somewhere
12:30 a111 Logged on 2019-05-06 16:10 mp_en_viaje: kissinger is probably rolling in grave worth at least 2-3 kW over the whole guaio comedy.
12:31 asciilifeform perhaps is the seekrit behind the lulz, even. 100 y.o. d00d is running the show.
12:42 BingoBoingo No matter his location, the rolling must be harnessed
12:43 BingoBoingo 2-3 Kw power source with more longevity than an rtg
12:48 BingoBoingo In continued labor flaffing, drivers for Uruguay's petrol company about to stop driving petrol to Petrobras service stations, wreckers at PIT-CNT sure if they thrash enough "puestos de trabajo" can be saved and "Why do they want to leave anyways?" https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/fancap-cortara-suministro-de-combustibles-a-petrobras-20195611243
12:49 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what's the prime mover there? e.g. did 'exxon' promise'em miami if they sabotage brazil ?
12:51 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Some derps at the Petrobras "Montevideo Gas" natgas distribution plant were fucking around with a rifle inside the plant. At the same time Bolsonaro in Brazil wants to shrink Petrobras and privatize it. Petrobras annouces it wants to sell its 88 service stations and exit the Uruguayo market. Throughout all of this "labor" is thrashing about in disbelief.
12:51 mp_en_viaje rather, the inept cocksuckers "arrested" elite because "corruption", fell nobody-could-have-predictedly in http://trilema.com/2011/povestea-celor-trei-imparati-smecheri-si-a-celor-trei-negustori-fraieri-fabula-in-versuri-ilustrata/#selection-69.206-69.436 failure mode.
12:52 mp_en_viaje brazil can't has leadership for lulz or money, fin.
12:52 asciilifeform hrm didn't it elect a 'great again' lol, or wat was it, last yr
12:53 mp_en_viaje "but mp, you must run for office" "why, so you worthless cocksuckers can whine about how come '''your''' gf'd much rather suck me off ? get lost."
12:53 BingoBoingo Great again ain't no Emperor Pedro
12:53 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, yes, well, electing a goat to drive bus ain't gonna get any busses driven.
12:53 BingoBoingo "Además, señaló que va a negociar con el gobierno uruguayo la devolución de la concesión de la distribución de gas. “La escala que tenemos en Uruguay no nos interesa”, expresó al medio brasileño Estadao de San Pablo. La noticia tomó por sorpresa al Poder Ejecutivo y generó que el sindicato le pida al gobierno una actitud más proactiva."
12:54 mp_en_viaje wtf is a more proactive attitude.
12:54 mp_en_viaje shit, why not just "more dynamic and oriented with the requirements of the times"
12:55 asciilifeform in quasirelated lulz, asciilifeform went for 1st time into brazil's embassy in ameristan, the other day (it was on exhibit) . 100% snoar except for the wall deco, whole place was done up with vintage paintings of slaves being unloaded from boats, whipped, auctioned, etc
12:56 BingoBoingo mp_en_viaje: They imagine the president is a servant of the labor syndicate.
12:57 BingoBoingo They keep saying they don't want to go down the Venezuela road while dragging everyone down the Venezuela road
12:57 mp_en_viaje heh.
12:57 mp_en_viaje generally how poor people activity works. look at what they claim not to be doing, it's what they're doing.
13:00 asciilifeform near as i can tell, current-day brazil is a petromiamistan, rather like current ru (picture if ru were moved to equator, for extra tropical-stupidity radiation damage ..)
13:00 a111 Logged on 2017-12-08 15:02 asciilifeform: the 'good climate makes folx lazy and slowly climbing 'back up to trees' ' item is an old saw, but i'm not aware of any major hole in the theory
13:00 BingoBoingo But its alright because everyone has "estufas de leña" and they'll chase away UPM before they can break ground on the mill in order to have the Eucalyptus planted in the 90's to keep them warm in the winter.
13:00 mp_en_viaje well, in the 80s/90s they promised to be industrial power. (eg, lua is leftover artifact from this time)
13:00 asciilifeform what winter.
13:00 mp_en_viaje then, china took ove rharder than expected, and well... lido got sanded.
13:01 BingoBoingo Rained and smog'd all weekend here because its 60F, gotta fire up the estufas de leña
13:02 mp_en_viaje no idea anyone has any use for brazil except to fuck the slavegirl granddaughters with the pork asses.
13:02 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well, the days get short and the latinos have the narrowest of temperature tolerances
13:02 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: lol! i was aboutta say, 'that's where asciilifeform switches off ac, not turns on heat'
13:03 * mp_en_viaje has had heat going even with outside temps at 18
13:03 asciilifeform well nudism, eh
13:05 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: re brazil, seems to me that petroexport and industry are a 'pick 1'. qatar case in point.
13:05 asciilifeform if money 'grows on tree', wai have industry.
13:06 BingoBoingo Kinda why the generals exiled emperor Pedro after they got their medals burning Paraguay
13:06 asciilifeform brief industrial spell in history of ru, guess when -- when stalin, and forbade petroexport categorically.
13:06 asciilifeform then died, and poof.
13:07 mp_en_viaje well, have industry so as to extract it. your theory is experimentally weak, romania had lots of oil, had no industry under blue "ourdemcoracy" 1900 version, then had industry under red socialist democracy 1950s version, now they're fucking it up to get back to blue version, etc.
13:07 asciilifeform possibly the 1 thing moar decerebrating than shit poverty, is lottery money.
13:07 mp_en_viaje it all revolves around whether there's ivan groznyi or not
13:08 asciilifeform rright but when 'ivan' he does Right Thing and orders 'the motherland's earth treasures are for building up motherland's factories an' roads' etc
13:09 BingoBoingo Emperor goes old gender, spent decades not grooming any successors, Brazil missed its chance to be lamented like 1904 Argentina because they got their decline underway during the 1870s
13:09 asciilifeform when no ivan, it gets sold to anglos for candy wrappers redeemable in zurich for miami ticket.
13:11 mp_en_viaje https://amp.insider.com/images/57c496efb6fa0217008b4840-960-480.jpg
13:11 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: see also https://pbfcomics.com/comics/the-golden-ticket/ .
~ 22 minutes ~
13:34 mp_en_viaje i confess i don't get it.
13:38 asciilifeform there was old film, which i think mp_en_viaje's link is a frame from 'modern' remake of, where some kid unwraps a chocolate bar and 'ticket to tour the magic factory' where bathe in chocolate and etc
13:39 mp_en_viaje yes.
13:40 mp_en_viaje but i mean, what's the punch of the pbcomics thing
13:40 asciilifeform possib. the eng expression 'see how sausage is made'.
13:43 asciilifeform !!up lobbes_field
13:43 deedbot lobbes_field voiced for 30 minutes.
13:43 lobbes_field ty asciilifeform
13:43 lobbes_field http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911352 << still digesting this morning's logs, but it seems that re: (c) - html gen, everyone is in general agreement that cl-who would be a good place to start
13:43 a111 Logged on 2019-05-06 09:32 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910762 <-- so far wwwism kit seems to include: a. http server, b. curl, c. html gen. (a) is the next item on my list, with (c) and (b) coming next, and... is there a (d)?
13:43 lobbes_field Since (c) is in spyked's hopper already, I'll let him take this item (and I will read/sign it once genesised)
13:44 lobbes_field Now, it seems we could go many directions re: (a), but I'm partial to the lisp-to-apache route
13:44 a111 Logged on 2019-05-06 15:06 mp_en_viaje: if lisp-o-tron spits out html files and apache delivers them, this will be web-fast
13:44 lobbes_field As such, I'll start poking around at mod_lisp, et al. Will report back
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13:44 a111 Logged on 2019-05-06 15:01 phf: tbnl from which hunchentoot comes used to be pure mod_lisp, another code to look at
13:44 * lobbes_field back to mines, bbl
~ 51 minutes ~
14:35 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: While you plan your next run down here make sure to re-review Copa's baggage policies. They seem to be shifting as these things do. http://archive.is/mU9FX
14:37 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/05/after-coup-embarrassment-usg-goes-on-tilt-aggressing-on-all-rivals-at-the-same-time/ << Qntra -- After Coup Embarrassment USG Goes On Tilt Aggressing On All Rivals At The Same Time
14:37 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: loox same as before, 'Overweight and oversize baggage for international flights' 33-45kg 200 usd ea.
14:39 BingoBoingo Never hurts to double check
14:39 asciilifeform interestingly, 'business class' nao includes 'phree' 64kg + 175 for another 23
14:40 asciilifeform depending on what costs, might win
14:40 asciilifeform ( 175 usd, that is, for + 23kg )
14:40 BingoBoingo North America/Uruguay gets its own line on the table
14:40 asciilifeform and same as before, no 1 crate may weigh > 45kg.
14:41 BingoBoingo When I came down here business class was at least twice as expensive as economy.
14:41 asciilifeform was like this when asciilifeform went also.
14:41 asciilifeform prolly dun vary much.
14:42 BingoBoingo I suspect the same
14:42 asciilifeform loox like classic variant ('economy' + 2 x 45kg bags ) still teh winner.
14:43 BingoBoingo Maybe possible to get a third in?
14:44 asciilifeform i tried to find this out last time, and turned out that the co. is retarded, they could not even definitively promise that 2 x 45kg will get loaded.
14:44 asciilifeform ( they did . but had to find ~empirically~ )
~ 24 minutes ~
15:09 asciilifeform extra upstack lulz, re 'cultural layer' : google helpfully informs that it has thickened !
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15:09 asciilifeform ( photo circa aug. '18 )
15:11 asciilifeform ( also reveals that in '12 , it was ~clean. this suggests that it grows by ~foot / yr or so.. )
15:14 asciilifeform also upstack, 'The US guided-missile destroyers ‘Preble’ and ‘Chung Hoon’ traveled within 12 nautical miles' << lol!!
15:14 asciilifeform apparently not misprint.
15:14 asciilifeform there in fact is a 'uss chung hoon'.
15:14 asciilifeform 'named in honor of Rear Admiral Gordon Pai'ea Chung-Hoon (1910–1979)'.
15:15 BingoBoingo There's no bottom to these lolz
15:27 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/05/new-microsoft-chromium-based-browser-to-include-legacy-ie-attack-surface/ << Qntra -- New Microsoft Chromium Based Browser To Include Legacy IE Attack Surface
~ 3 hours 39 minutes ~
19:06 mp_en_viaje BingoBoingo, "has begun intensifying" is derpy.
19:09 BingoBoingo reworded "the criminal organization calling itself the United States Government has impotently gone on tilt by escalating zher ongoing aggression against zher rivals."
19:13 mp_en_viaje cool
19:15 * BingoBoingo finally acquired a "ropero" and assembling the thing so guests stop wondering why all my clothes are perpetually in the luggage.
19:16 mp_en_viaje meanwhile at cunt, inc... https://x.imagefapusercontent.com/u/PewPewPew37/8087616/357771032/cheating-11-19.gif
19:16 BingoBoingo Of all the things the maker could have pre-drilled holes for and neglected... they neglected pilot holes for the latches. It is not an extraordinary impediment to me putting the thing together, but how are the locals supposed to make the doors work?
19:18 * mp_en_viaje lifted his eyes and saw... 5 out of 6 doors of his wardrobe open
19:18 mp_en_viaje maybe locals don't close the doors.
19:20 BingoBoingo Possible, but this artifact is roughly as culturally embedded as the estufa electrica is across the river.
~ 4 hours 12 minutes ~
23:32 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/05/hamplanet-health-minister-in-belgium-still-morbidly-obese-nearly-five-years-in-responsibilities-keep-expanding/ << Qntra -- Hamplanet Health Minister In Belgium Still Morbidly Obese Nearly Five Years In, Resp...ties Keep Expanding
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