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← 2019-05-06 | 2019-05-08 → ↓
03:02 mp_en_viaje fucking cold snap in yurp, brrr.
03:02 mp_en_viaje it's like 8 here. i had to cut my belgrade stay, wtf may! i r disappoint!
~ 3 hours 36 minutes ~
06:38 diana_coman about 14 degrees here in suddenly-sunny england, lolz; tbf at 6am there were only 8-9 but that's ...refreshing at that hour.
06:41 mp_en_viaje it's still maybe 10.
06:45 diana_coman well, spring, unpredictable.
06:46 mp_en_viaje seems insane for may. even in the snowy north im from.
06:46 diana_coman cluj is snowy north? ahahaha
06:46 mp_en_viaje meanwhile in good news, found something from alf kindergarten magazine : https://x.imagefapusercontent.com/u/alienvisitor/8087483/1139655929/54524507-2305147513037713-891195809725415424-n.jpg
06:47 mp_en_viaje diana_coman, well ? no olive trees / figs grow there yes ? that's the criteria.
06:48 diana_coman no penguins, arctic foxes and northern lights there either, according to the other-side criteria
06:49 diana_coman ahahah "giant of fun, adventure and science"
06:49 mp_en_viaje ikr
~ 2 hours 20 minutes ~
09:09 feedbot http://trilema.com/2019/rastko-nemanja-and-things-like-that-somewhat/ << Trilema -- Rastko Nemanja and things like that (somewhat)
~ 1 hours 27 minutes ~
10:37 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: lol, cluj is on same parallel as asciilifeform's homeworld. what 'snowy north' .
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~ 36 minutes ~
11:14 * BingoBoingo thought http://trilema.com/2013/fire-in-alabama-lets-make-the-most-of-it/ is the cannon shot, but is the cannon seat.
11:14 BingoBoingo lobbes: Seems auction bot has run away and stayed away
~ 49 minutes ~
12:04 PeterL so how does the auction work if auctionbot disappears? Wasn't it supposed to be ending about now?
12:05 asciilifeform PeterL: i expect we'll find out, when lobbes resets the bot, whether it handles this case correctly
12:06 mp_en_viaje http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-07#1911614 << haters, one and all!
12:06 a111 Logged on 2019-05-07 14:37 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: lol, cluj is on same parallel as asciilifeform's homeworld. what 'snowy north' .
12:06 asciilifeform lol
12:07 mp_en_viaje BingoBoingo, holy hell, you born librarian you. pretty sure that's it!
12:07 PeterL asciilifeform: what would haldling correctly look like? it just declares the last bid it saw as the winner, or extend the auction based on the time it missed?
12:08 asciilifeform imho oughta extend. otherwise vulnerable to some pretty ugly strange (say, there's just 1 lowball bid, and then fleanode drops the bot until end, etc)
12:10 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: iirc you had a much older alabama piece, with moar photo of same item, also
12:11 mp_en_viaje possibru
12:12 asciilifeform in other lulz, microshit w10 nao ships with optional 'linux kernel'.
12:13 asciilifeform dunno why this took 20yrs from the famous 'embrace & extinguish' leaked memo, but there it is.
12:13 asciilifeform !!up lobbes_field
12:13 deedbot lobbes_field voiced for 30 minutes.
12:13 lobbes_field Ty asciilifeform
12:14 lobbes_field Sry about auctionbot downtime. I shoulda checked before I left for the mines. Will bring back online tonight
12:14 lobbes_field Data is safe, auctions and bids preserved
12:15 lobbes_field As for extending, it seems that the bot went down with 12 hours left, so I could easily extend it another 12
12:15 asciilifeform BingoBoingo ^ plox to comment
12:16 lobbes_field In either case will not charge BingoBoingo the traditional fees for this auction due to all the derpage
12:16 lobbes_field *I will not charge (this pjhone "keyboard" is truly maddening)
12:18 * lobbes_field bbl
~ 2 hours 11 minutes ~
14:29 BingoBoingo !Qlater tell lobbes Another 24 hours is probably better than 12.
14:30 BingoBoingo Give everyone around the clock a chance to bid
14:31 BingoBoingo mp_en_viaje: I could have swore seeing a picture from the same angle on a trilema post somewhere.
14:33 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> imho oughta extend. otherwise vulnerable to some pretty ugly strange (say, there's just 1 lowball bid, and then fleanode drops the bot until end, etc) << Also there's the 90's Ebay factor. People counting on doing bidding during the final stretch.
14:39 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: aha
14:44 BingoBoingo We got 360 degree of globe to cover in light of http://trilema.com/2013/two-examples-of-irc-misuse-with-ample-commentary/#selection-215.0-221.104
~ 44 minutes ~
15:28 asciilifeform meanwhile, in speshul heathen lulz, https://archive.is/wMhh2
~ 26 minutes ~
15:55 feedbot http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/08e-mangalia.html << The Tar Pit -- Mangalia
~ 37 minutes ~
16:32 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/05/portuguese-national-flying-mirage-jet-downed-in-libya-by-general-haftars-forces/ << Qntra -- Portuguese National Flying Mirage Jet Downed In Libya By General Haftar's Forces
16:32 BingoBoingo ^ For the burden of keeping fighter jets file
~ 37 minutes ~
17:09 mp_en_viaje spyked, chock-full. though it's unclear to me how you reason re "having beaches", and in any case the fucking of eastern girls was more the 90s than the 70s.
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17:10 mp_en_viaje nobody fucked anybody in the 70s.
17:10 asciilifeform 'в СССР секса нет!'(tm)(r)
17:18 mp_en_viaje quite so.
17:18 mp_en_viaje it's easy to play along and pretend, "oh, there's all these people getting their dick sucked nowadays, it's almost as if mine's sucked too", electron-cloud sorta reasoning.
17:19 mp_en_viaje nevertheless, large objects are discrete, no quantum mechanics applies. as a factual matter, ~nobody had any fucking sex until we came around and taught teens to shave the bush etc, late 80s.
17:19 mp_en_viaje there ~was~ some ongoing bestiality previously, engaged mostly dressed, with the light off and the eyes closed -- in any perspective a shameful act.
17:21 asciilifeform iirc ancient egypt was into shaving, iirc
17:21 asciilifeform possibly elsewhere ditto
17:22 asciilifeform or wat, it still 'aint sex' unless under blue led lamp, in suspension swing made of purest 1060 aluminum ?
~ 2 hours 6 minutes ~
19:28 BingoBoingo Welcome back auctionbot
19:30 lobbes !Xview 1047
19:30 lobbes ah whoops, need to voice it. one sec
19:31 lobbes !Xview 1047
19:31 auctionbot Buy order # 1047: 500 WFF, WU esta bien Opening: 154mn ecu Leading Bid: 106mn ecu Ending: 2019-05-08 11:56:28.887251 UTC (24 hours 18 mins)
19:31 lobbes BingoBoingo extended 24hrs ^^
19:31 lobbes sorry again for teh inconvenience
19:31 BingoBoingo tyvm
19:32 BingoBoingo !Qlater tell pete_dushenski Contravex doesn't seem to be loading normally
19:32 lobbes hm, lemme get the lobbesbot back
19:36 BingoBoingo Ah, I forgot you split the bots
~ 1 hours 7 minutes ~
20:44 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, well what, ancient history now ?
20:44 mp_en_viaje sure, rome had the fux.
20:53 asciilifeform rright but mp_en_viaje orig. made it sound as if fux were a recent discovery, like vlsi, lol
20:53 mp_en_viaje well, recent in modern world.
20:53 mp_en_viaje like warm water bath.
~ 52 minutes ~
21:46 * asciilifeform grunting out a wp colorizer mode for peh, and it's maddening, php is ~undebuggable garbage
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21:48 asciilifeform just like perl, if you violate some expectation of orig author's, you get arbitrary barf, rather than eggog even.
21:51 mp_en_viaje examples ?
21:52 asciilifeform difficult to give meaningful example w/out detailing the MB+ pile of shit that is the plugin. simply, config written seemingly according to docs, but there is html barfola in the output.
21:52 mp_en_viaje possibru problem is not php but the plugin
21:53 asciilifeform 100%
21:53 asciilifeform but it being ~in~ php makes the thing undebuggable.
21:53 mp_en_viaje why ?
21:53 asciilifeform there is afaik no equiv of slime/macroexpand/etc system for php
21:53 asciilifeform so only way to learn wtf proggy does, is to allow it to run
21:54 mp_en_viaje it's a script processor, wtf other way is there ? not like it compiles anything
21:54 asciilifeform right, processor, but w/ no provision (afaik) for asking it to process individual expression in realtime
21:55 asciilifeform it's rather like debugging gnumake.
21:56 * asciilifeform started by taking the included 'ada mode' and modifying. but thing seems to choke on the single-character keywords of peh
21:57 mp_en_viaje that's weird.
21:57 * asciilifeform prolly doomed to write a 'peh2html' batch proggy, and fughet about wpism
21:58 mp_en_viaje you have this very ineffectual approach to things where you'll try either a very high level thing from first principles (usually, as applied to some extand software) or else a handwritten-on-knee minimalist thing. there's space in between these two, you know.
21:58 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: it was apparently designed by a tard. who insisted that 'single-char nonalphabetics' are 'symbols' and treated specially. and hardbaked a dependence on delimeters (i.e. whitespace) in the semantics. and fuckknows whatelse.
21:58 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: i'm cutting the wp thing open to see if it can be made to behave, but at some pt will have to throw in towel and do sumthing else
21:59 mp_en_viaje ok, so don't use that. just because random plugin was written by tard doesn't invalidate either php as a ... text processor, nor wp plugins as an extension framerowkr for mp-wp
21:59 mp_en_viaje and yes, obviously php ain't no ada.
21:59 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: it's reminiscent of experience of writing tasm macros lol
21:59 asciilifeform ( remember tasm ? )
22:00 mp_en_viaje im not even sure
22:00 mp_en_viaje which was this ?
22:00 asciilifeform 'turbo assembler'
22:00 asciilifeform for ye olde msdos
22:00 mp_en_viaje o brother.
22:01 asciilifeform hey that was last time asciilifeform found himself writing proggies in 'you want debug? haha, very funny' pattern substitutron
22:01 mp_en_viaje no but listen : php chiefly exists for the task of "you know what? take every sentence in this text file and put <tag> around punctuation marks". that's what it was made for, substitute strings in strings, pretty much.
22:01 mp_en_viaje it's no ~language~ in any sense.
22:01 asciilifeform right, hence the comparison
22:02 mp_en_viaje obviously maniacs abound, the "'single-char nonalphabetics' are 'symbols' and treated specially. and hardbaked a dependence on delimeters (i.e. whitespace) in the semantics. and fuckknows whatelse." parts sound SO FUCKING FAMILIAR
22:02 mp_en_viaje lotta c written like that, too. and everything else.
22:03 asciilifeform hence wai i even mentioned. it's a typical php proggy, and i strongly suspect that folx who spend enuff time writing in blind macroexpander langs, eventually become incapable of producing any other kind
22:03 asciilifeform i.e. it's black lung equiv for the brain.
22:03 mp_en_viaje it seems to me one ~should not~ write another kind in php.
22:04 mp_en_viaje just like javascript isn't there for "here's an implementation of linux kernel in js", just so php is not there for "here's my recursive elegance" or w/e.
22:04 asciilifeform it is ~physicallyimpossible to write any other kind in php.
22:04 asciilifeform just like cannot write a tower of tasm macros that fails gracefully.
22:06 mp_en_viaje but it seems to me your problem is eminently a php task ? "colorize" neh ?
22:06 asciilifeform nao! there ~were~ text processors designed by thinking people, where it ~was~ possible to write a readable proggy with predictable failure conditions. e.g. 'snobol'. but these, buried under 30yrs of sediment, will take serious archaeology to unearth.
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22:06 asciilifeform and i gotta get motherfucking ch18c out . so not holding breath for these.
22:07 asciilifeform will have to write new wpism or its equiv.
22:08 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: rite ? simple problem , on surface, 'take this grammar and throw colour tags where they belong.' but apparently even this can be fucked up, idjit tower of speshulcases doesn't detect breakage of grammar, instead pisses out unclosed html tags.
22:08 mp_en_viaje sounds like terrible implementation, it shouldn't ever throw unclosed tags in an ycase.
22:08 asciilifeform aha!!
22:09 mp_en_viaje what, is it 1pass ?
22:09 asciilifeform appears to be
22:09 asciilifeform ( not that this is a problem , for mathematical pov, for peh, which is also single pass )
22:11 mp_en_viaje so then wtf.
22:11 asciilifeform ikr!
22:12 asciilifeform ( it aint simply for 18c either, i have entire sequence of peh likbez planned , so hand-colouring is prohibitively ugh )
22:12 asciilifeform will have to bite bullet and write transformer from empty .
22:13 mp_en_viaje you could just fix that thing, from description it's also broken for ada ?
22:13 mp_en_viaje where is it any7way ?
22:13 asciilifeform appears to work for ada, and coupla dozen other langs, w/out issue
22:13 asciilifeform http://qbnz.com/highlighter/geshi-doc.html
22:13 asciilifeform used it for many many yrs on my www , but never before attempted custom lang config .
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22:14 * asciilifeform installed some time in 2011, used for c, ada, verilog, bash, etc , these -- worked
22:15 mp_en_viaje spyked, http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/05a-july-theses.html#selection-893.205-893.499 << aren't these contrary claims ? ie, if they're not north koreans, therefore not r-selected ?
22:15 mp_en_viaje the ultimate problem with debugging -- allows people to exam-take their code design, "oh, doesn't work on anything we've not spent year+ debnugging"
22:16 asciilifeform the exam takers produce exactly same result with 'run an' print' 'debug' .
22:16 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, ok, this makes zero fucking sense. item is supposed to use ~css containers~ ; it's not possible to have open html tags therefore at all.
22:16 asciilifeform that was what i thought !
22:18 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, here's a basic thing, not to infuriate you but out of curiosity : https://archive.is/3FJqA#selection-2733.0-2861.26 << have you tried the other container ?
22:18 mp_en_viaje does it fix the whitespace strange ?
22:19 asciilifeform nope.
22:19 asciilifeform and w/out reading the entire pila shit , impossible to say why.
22:20 asciilifeform could spend 1000 yrs turning knobs bruteforcibly, if had 1000 yrs..
22:20 mp_en_viaje well, using software w/o reading docs is iffy. but anyway.
22:21 mp_en_viaje "The <pre> header is the default. If you’re familiar with HTML you’ll know that whitespace is rendered “as is” by a <pre> element. The advantage for you is that if you use <pre> the whitespace you use will appear pretty much exactly how it is in the source, and what’s more GeSHi won’t have to add a whole lot of <br />’s and non-breaking spaces (&nbsp;) to your code to indent it. This saves you source code (and your valuable visitors w
22:21 mp_en_viaje aiting time and your bandwidth).
22:21 mp_en_viaje But if you don’t like <pre> or it looks stupid in your browser no matter what styles you try to apply to it or something similar, you might want to use a <div> instead. A <div> will result in more source - GeSHi will have to insert whitespace markup - but in return you can wrap long lines of code that would otherwise have your browser’s horizontal scrollbar appear. Of course with <div> you can not wrap lines if you please. The highlighter demo
22:21 mp_en_viaje at the GeSHi home page uses the <div> approach for this reason."
22:21 asciilifeform i spend most of week with that doc, lol
22:21 mp_en_viaje seems quite evident what they did -- div mode for sanity and pre mode for "whitespace is magic character nao".
22:21 asciilifeform but evidently wk aint enuff
22:21 asciilifeform 'geshi' actually weighs moar than trb.
22:21 asciilifeform lol-wise.
22:22 asciilifeform ( and that's w/out the configs... )
22:22 mp_en_viaje looks like it.
22:22 asciilifeform *loc-wise
22:22 mp_en_viaje anyway -- in fairness the "space is magic char" thing very much comes from html spec itself.
22:23 asciilifeform and if only only space . also brackets, ampersand, et
22:23 asciilifeform c
22:23 mp_en_viaje maybe not the written "one" (as fucking if), but defo the factual one as emerged in practice.
22:24 asciilifeform somewhere i had paper spec (nominally!) for just css. it weighed moar than ada spec .
22:24 asciilifeform and iirc i threw it out, to free up shelf .
22:24 asciilifeform unfathomable crock of shit, the lot of it
22:25 asciilifeform the spec for opteron is still on the shelf, it is smaller
22:26 * asciilifeform can only swim in liquishit for so many hrs in one go, off to come up for air. bbl
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