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05:47 mircea_popescu !!up gallus17
05:47 deedbot gallus17 voiced for 30 minutes.
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06:07 mircea_popescu meanwhile in other random lulz, https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_81c68ea1c38fe926
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06:10 mircea_popescu russel, not on the list (presumably because "not since 1945", notwithstanding legitimacy vs industrialism was 60s, iirc.
06:10 diana_coman wtf is that, voting "who do you think bestest philosopher" or what?
06:10 mircea_popescu meanwhile, obscure russel downstream, "anglophone" in the sense of being german, totally on the list.
06:10 mircea_popescu diana_coman cornell being intelemanctual, i guess.
06:11 diana_coman "feel like voting on something else?" lmao
06:14 mircea_popescu aaanyway, dude (carnap i mean) is probably the thing all the g. supran subhumans perceive as their "truly truthiful undergirth", genuinely academic and intellectual because not-from-america and-we-dont-talk-about-that etc.
06:14 mircea_popescu sorta like a bayes for the femtards & assorted pantsuits that don't like systems of equations.
~ 3 hours 44 minutes ~
09:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lol! asciilifeform could not even immediately think of 'english philosopher of 20th c' other than b. russel !
09:59 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-19#1918597 << list seems to consist of a handful of... germans, + buncha 'whothefuck are these'
09:59 a111 Logged on 2019-06-19 10:07 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other random lulz, https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_81c68ea1c38fe926
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11:22 mircea_popescu well, karl popper / thomas khun. tho they're philosophers in a very dubous sense, kuhn's a sociologist and popper's a historian of science.
11:24 mircea_popescu then there's the problem of "anglophone". by such criteria as could be insanely reconstructed from the piled remains, naggum would qualify ; and then he has to be on the list.
11:26 mircea_popescu if popper's a philosopher, thus therefore so are both r. feyman and that russian fellow who said "fuck you, who the fuck are you to give me awards, nitwits". much more of a philosopher (in the sartre-ian tradition) than whatever Deborah Mayo, this Audre Lorde professor emeritus of Women Can Add Too (if you don't rush them or say the mean about the buttock fats)
11:27 mircea_popescu https://www.phil.vt.edu/dmayo/personal_website/bibliography%20complete.htm << you might enjoy this COMPLETE bibliography, %20 windowsisms y compris.
11:28 mircea_popescu dumbass cuntlet wouldn't qualify for my introductory course on "how to write academic work as opposed to spinning wikipedia content like retards" at the night tradeschool for economically disadvantaged youths.
11:30 BingoBoingo Quite the lol-list
11:31 BingoBoingo Ah, the sidebar gives it away. It is a Brian Leiter production.
11:31 BingoBoingo Leiter's a notorious lolcow.
11:31 BingoBoingo Leiter~=Poettering
11:34 mircea_popescu and cornell's a notorious lolcow farm. and i don't teach HTWAWAOTSWCLR 101, thus "We learn from our mistakes. Few would take issue with this disctum. If it is more than merely a cliche, then it wouldseem of interest to epistemologists to inquire how knowledge is obtained from mistakes or from error." results in 62. Nicholas Rescher loses to Rudolf Carnap by 140–8, loses to Deborah Mayo by 38–27 Alan Musgrave loses to
11:34 mircea_popescu Rudolf Carnap by 138–3, loses to Deborah Mayo by 32–26 etc.
11:36 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/qXufg << Sample Leiter https://archive.is/qXufg
11:38 mircea_popescu other than repurposed cat growers / arts & crafts poets, the foremost female on the list (at #9) is http://www.profnancycartwright.com/ ; as contemptible a piece of pantsuit shit / femstate "architect" as could be ever found. replete with all the makings of a typical macauley
11:38 a111 Logged on 2016-07-10 00:53 asciilifeform: 'A 59-year-old woman who was a senior official at a Washington think-tank was fatally stabbed in Baltimore’s Roland Park neighborhood as she was walking her dogs Friday night, police said.'
11:38 mircea_popescu , and obviously a perfect candidate for the same fate.
11:41 mircea_popescu but at least they got the willy wonka / warhol hairdo going. i mean... i guess it's something. right ? very weird hair ? grows from head ? in limine, intellectual production ? no ?
11:44 mircea_popescu anyway, mayo chick's totally worth a skipread, in the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916737 sense. " We can put together so potent an arsenal for unearthing a given error that when we fail to find it we have excellent grounds for concluding that the error is absent." and so on and on and forever .
11:44 a111 Logged on 2019-06-02 06:01 mircea_popescu: https://pastebin.com/raw/N9v7gVfZ << this shit is too lulzy to not preserve ; last 5 lines totally make it.
11:54 mircea_popescu "Herein lies a presupposition commonly harbored by philosophers: namely. that empirical claims are only as reliable as the data from which they are inferred. The fact is that we can often arrive at rather accurate claims from far less accurate ones. Scattered measurements, for example, are not of much use, but with a little data massaging (e.g.. averaging) we can obtain a value of a quantity of interest that is far more ac
11:54 mircea_popescu curate than individual measurements. Durday-to-day learners from error know this fact but. to my knowledge. the only philosopher to attach deep significance to this seli—cortecting ability is C. 5. Peirce."
11:56 asciilifeform strong odor of shannonizer.
11:57 mircea_popescu except for the fact pierce never proposed supporting "global warming" and its ilk of nonsense on "massaged data" in the sense of "the golf club pattern-maker, put any data you wish in, see the same thing come out". nor would he have.
11:57 a111 Logged on 2016-06-23 11:11 mircea_popescu: back in 2010ish, some derps from us academia came with "proof" of the (at the time still called) global warming nonsense, in the shape of a much-loved-bymedia "golf cross pattern".
11:58 mircea_popescu nevertheless, this is very transparently the aim here : "supporting social policy" on "science", as the necessary v2.0 of "supporting sorta-science financially through some bureaucratic process".
11:59 BingoBoingo In other news, this ciclón extratropical is rather disappointing.
11:59 mircea_popescu ie, "let's lie prettily to each other -- you, call us scientists notwithstanding we're social cases, like any other ghetto queen ( with just as absent child rearing skills) ; we call you rational notwithstanding you're fucked in the head"
12:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: afaik was simple plug-in replacement for the old relation b/w the royalty and the church
12:00 mircea_popescu quite.
12:01 asciilifeform ( with the interesting twist that church, at least, presided over quite a bit of productive lands / serfs, whereas 'scientocrat' presides over... what? cube farm fulla monkeys on 'powerpoint' )
12:02 mircea_popescu exactly as per http://trilema.com/2013/what-is-art/ ; "why is this science ? cuz hilary says so. and who the fuck is hilary ? she's the one scientists claim god has anoin^H^H^H^H like very much and agree with"
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12:02 mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's exactly 0 connection between the 99% and any productive activty. in fact, you need about 500k or so people to run the entire world as it now stands
12:03 mircea_popescu everyone else is just dead weight.
12:03 asciilifeform [insert the robots thread here]
12:04 mircea_popescu aha.
12:06 asciilifeform i suspect tho, that if there actually ~were~ 500k, would get exactly what went on the last time there were 500k, all hang out on equator and eat from trees, indistinguishable from monkey
12:06 a111 Logged on 2017-12-08 15:02 asciilifeform: the 'good climate makes folx lazy and slowly climbing 'back up to trees' ' item is an old saw, but i'm not aware of any major hole in the theory
12:06 mircea_popescu im guessing we shall be finding out in any case.
12:07 asciilifeform well possibly mircea_popescu at any rate.
12:07 mircea_popescu why me ?
12:07 asciilifeform cuz mircea_popescu is pretty good at this sorta thing.
12:08 mircea_popescu heh mkay
12:09 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I'm guessing some lords are going to camp at latitudes with some sort of winter.
12:10 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the folx with family reactors, i suppose, and a fondness for ski sport
12:10 mircea_popescu in fact, in technological world, outside cold more a resource than a hindrance.
12:10 mircea_popescu free reactor cooling ? yay.
12:10 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Nah, the people who figure winter is a factor that allowed Europe to not do the tropical sloth.
12:11 mircea_popescu i expect once we're done butchering the supernumeraries, we'll mostly hang our about the artic circle
12:11 BingoBoingo And yes, resource.
12:11 mircea_popescu rather than the equator
12:11 BingoBoingo Or Patagonia may be cleaner.
12:11 asciilifeform north sea a++ for reactor. (reportedly, the largest ru subs in fact only worked there and nowhere else)
12:11 mircea_popescu cheaper to heat than to cool, anyways. chea<per to dress than to peel off, esp if nothing left to peel.
12:11 BingoBoingo Anyways, ballistic passenger service between hubs
12:12 mircea_popescu go hunting the africans, basically, as principal tropical activty.
12:13 * asciilifeform suspects that current-day africans would disappear quite quickly if were to be unplugged from clitler
12:13 mircea_popescu i meant debrah mayo and her brood.
12:13 asciilifeform a
12:14 asciilifeform them, however, also
12:14 mircea_popescu you ever seen http://trilema.com/2016/dark-horse/ btw ?
12:14 * asciilifeform has not
12:14 mircea_popescu that chick, the hepatitis walflower. present day african, the "maybe i'll be a writer" white female. not even white trash, but "middle class"
12:18 mircea_popescu kinda like cockroaches, very resilient. would probably feed on urban garbage / each other's aborted foetuses in any case. god knows they already eat soylent & assorted dogfood machine-delivered.
12:19 BingoBoingo Well, first they'll wank a bit about pseudo-aesthetic pseudo-ethics and make the pichi life a fad
12:19 * asciilifeform pessimistically observes that laziness is the dominant force, and historically 'sit on arse, eat fruit' is not even limited to tropical monkey men, and much of what today thought 'modern tech' dates to the last 2 population-pressure megawars
12:20 asciilifeform e.g. the synthetic nitrate that makes feeding 'mayo' possible, is a ww1 product
12:22 mircea_popescu by now they eat literal dogfood, that's literally called "soylent"
12:22 mircea_popescu marginal improvement on ramen.
12:22 asciilifeform incidentally the old mircea_popescuine prophecy re ersatz-phoods proceeding on schedule, reportedly a mcfood chain has finally swapped in synthetic chicken
12:23 asciilifeform (in place of the earlier homogenized scrap-gristle slurry)
12:23 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo oh absolutely. it's already happening, and plenty. but, of course, in very self-unaware manner, very "matter of factedly", "this is how things are".
12:24 mircea_popescu very "sticky" misbehaviour, too, they'll squirm every which way, lie every turn of the ratchet, stick with each single possible aspect to the bitter end.
12:24 mircea_popescu and all the while, disavow any awareness of their proceeding.
12:24 mircea_popescu "these are my friends" "they're scumbags" "yes but" "also X" "yes but" "you are forbidden to y" "yes but" and so on ad infinitum.
12:25 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Indeed it is happening.
12:26 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The chain is swapping in a beef identifying bean patty
12:27 asciilifeform a
12:27 asciilifeform !#s nechezol
12:27 a111 2 results for "nechezol", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=nechezol
12:27 asciilifeform hm
12:28 mircea_popescu meanwhile in another angle : i have here next to each other two modern ubuntus : one modern in 2018 (v 18.04), the other modern about five years prior (v 10.04). the sheer pile of utility and usability loss! old one has "bring up desktop" button. new one does not. old one has taskbar on the bottom, wherein one can drag item to a different task, and the task will pop up (so you can drop a file in a terminal). new one -- doe
12:28 mircea_popescu s not.
12:28 mircea_popescu old one brings up a task from tab if dblclicked -- AND ALSO MINIMIZES IT. new one -- brings up, but does not minimize.
12:28 * asciilifeform could've sworn there was a mircea_popescu piece re 'nechezol'
12:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: speaking of shituntu, didjaknow, today officially phasing out x32
12:29 mircea_popescu old one has list of crapola installed. new one has list of ~recommended~ crapola, and SEARCH BAR. literally, you're invited to search among the... well, it's not the userland, search returns things you... don't have, indistinctly
12:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i had nfi.
12:29 asciilifeform lemme guess, 'search bar' connected to 'bing'
12:30 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re x32, from horse's mouth.
12:30 asciilifeform pretty epic limba de lemn in there, too
12:30 mircea_popescu i could keep on forever -- old one, had directly accessible screen resolution switcher. new one -- does not, so that if (for instance!) your settlers 4 wine installation fucks the screen leaving it in 800x600 mode upon closure, either you know to xrandr -q xrandr --output --mode directly, or else you reboot.
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12:30 asciilifeform 'We will be working to polish the 32-bit support story over the course of the 19.10 development cycle.'
12:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: phunphakt: many of the cheap displays bought by typical homo redditus shituntu user, won't even sync at 800x600
12:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform who is this steve lengaseek fuckwit ?
12:32 asciilifeform so unsurprisingly it got ripped out
12:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i have nfi, prolly the current ian murdoch or whoever
12:32 mircea_popescu and why is he speaking from this position of authority, " I also posted to communicate the timeline ", who the fuck is he, me ?
12:33 asciilifeform i expect it's structured exactly like other usg.'foundations'
12:33 asciilifeform or for that matter the old sovok 'union of writers' (tm) etc
12:34 asciilifeform gaggle of nobodies picks a nobody-in-chief when old one dies
12:34 * mircea_popescu is unimpressed.
12:35 BingoBoingo Kinda the point. They try to min-max for unimpressiveness so as to NOT be read
12:35 asciilifeform nao otoh last week i saw a slug that was fully 4x the size of his slugbrethren. nao, ~that~ impressive. but this, what is there to be impressed by.
12:36 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: 'beetle man' doesn't work to impress, why would he, clitler personally anointed, see, him with the holy oils
12:36 a111 Logged on 2019-06-19 16:02 mircea_popescu: exactly as per http://trilema.com/2013/what-is-art/ ; "why is this science ? cuz hilary says so. and who the fuck is hilary ? she's the one scientists claim god has anoin^H^H^H^H like very much and agree with"
12:36 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo heh. "mp is scary and therefore safe ; we shall copy on the quiet -- be tedious and therefore also safe".
12:36 mircea_popescu worm gotta worm, sure why nots.
12:38 asciilifeform 'modern linux komyooniti' is quite loyal organ of 'tame opposition', the occasional 20m of biodegradable monopoly money gifted to the occasional esr (who incidentally is begging for change to buy wheelchair, reportedly his legs went) goes long way
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12:39 asciilifeform ensures typical derp who 'escaped from microshit' at least goes an' runs 'tor' etc.
12:39 mircea_popescu myeah
12:39 asciilifeform iirc the infamous bob beck & co, largely work for phree even.
12:40 asciilifeform esr was somewhat atypical, in demanding his '30 silvers'
12:40 mircea_popescu hence my earlier point re africans : long after we've stopped sending the packages, they'll still be there in the pavement cracks.
12:40 asciilifeform 'that is not dead which can eternal lie...'(tm)(r)
12:40 mircea_popescu ana fans reportedly survive for years on 3k WEEKLY calorie diets, so...
12:41 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i suspect ~these~ are like the old 'yoga masters' of india, who claimed to eat nuffin at all
12:41 asciilifeform i.e. sleight of hand magicks
12:41 mircea_popescu well, no, they typically weigh 40-50lbs.
12:42 asciilifeform rright, but there is no magic in this world, 3k/w is < auschwitz cuisine
12:43 mircea_popescu a) auschwitz people worked ; b) plenty survived.
12:43 mircea_popescu the anorexia chicks do not.
12:43 asciilifeform afaik (b) largely consisted of folx whose 'work' was to play in orchestra, or as 'capo', and similar.
12:43 asciilifeform incidentally old man solzhenitsin typical, btw, example.
12:43 mircea_popescu african plays on reddit.
12:44 asciilifeform grown man burns ~1k/d, iirc, simply breathing.
12:44 mircea_popescu ah btw, you know about the japanese xtian petrification saints ?
12:44 asciilifeform aha, famous
12:45 mircea_popescu sleigh of hand, possibly. also, exit. human body's remarkably... how shall i put this, it has a peculiar relationship with non-existenc.e
12:48 asciilifeform there is also famously an opposite pole of this magnet, the 'professionally fat' folx in usa who also claim to eat <1k/day , while weighing the weight of four men
12:49 asciilifeform y'know, the folx who take up 3 seats on airplane and demand ticket for cost of single seat, etc
12:51 mircea_popescu you know, haven't seen one in many years now ?
12:51 mircea_popescu makes it easy to forget americans exist.
12:51 asciilifeform where would mircea_popescu even see these.
12:51 BingoBoingo I've seen a handful here. Locally grown.
12:51 mircea_popescu which really makes the world a better place.
12:51 mircea_popescu i wonder if there ever was quite such a spurious "culture". or w/e we'd call it.
12:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: even ~here~ one has to go to certain places, where the lumpens are found, to see'em.
12:57 asciilifeform speaking of linux lulz, asciilifeform recently obtained a 'huawei' to test cuntoo. but this is on back conveyor currently.
12:57 a111 Logged on 2019-06-13 15:24 asciilifeform: speaking of which, reportedly huawei's lappy div (supposedly - closing down) made several genuinely linuxable (vs. 'ubuntable') boxen.
12:57 asciilifeform huawei iron has become somewhat of a 'deficit' in the 'civilized' world
12:58 BingoBoingo Meanwhile in contemporary German engineering, vehicle that defaults to pissing off driver on every startup http://www.contravex.com/2019/06/10/a-few-mildly-annoying-things-about-the-w463a-mercedes-g550/#footnote_5_23394
12:58 asciilifeform (production -- dinged, but demand -- through the roof, usg is quite the 'marketing genius' on occasion )
12:59 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: lol, i confess that i mostly stopped reading the d00d
12:59 asciilifeform seems like i didnt miss much
13:00 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I check in occasionally to see how North USistan is doing
13:03 asciilifeform a peacock man. perhaps the peahens find to be interesting, but i admit -- do not
13:04 asciilifeform quite typical, imho, example of the pathologies described by tlp. 'if i buy this 8th rolex, will finally feel like Troo Elite' etc
13:05 asciilifeform it aint nearly as repulsive as the bob becks who get their 'feels of elite' from sipping clitler's cuntjuice, but still imho equally snore
13:07 asciilifeform recall how he bought fg, and, unable to bring up a working serial port on crapple mac , hung it on wall , like folx use to hang up 18th c. muskets and sabres ?
13:07 asciilifeform *used to
13:18 BingoBoingo Well, case of guy described by tlp who had prolonged interaction with proto-republic and early republic before his break
13:21 asciilifeform see also vintage mircea_popescu piece re subj.
13:22 BingoBoingo Tried to buy BitBet remains, has not yet expressed any interest in flying a box to Uruguay for his own projects. Marketed a FuckGoats value add, etc
13:22 asciilifeform value-subtract lol
13:24 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i'm not the least bit surprised, given overall pattern -- fella won't buy anyffin that can't be easily paraded, exhibited, to other aesthetowankers over tea
13:25 asciilifeform even fg apparently required some lipstick and gloss application to be fit for parade
13:25 asciilifeform subj .
13:26 BingoBoingo Well, there's ~two week period where center of aesthetowank world is ~90 km east of here
13:26 asciilifeform lolwhere? pretty sure 'sotheby's' is in london.
13:29 asciilifeform perhaps asciilifeform oversaturates the colours, here, but i blame pete_d and his type for the fact that yes you can buy a diamond-encrusted ipnoje for 200k but you cannot buy a fits-in-head comp even for 200mil.
13:29 BingoBoingo Punta del Este. At least it was for a while. FA may have chased them off.
13:29 BingoBoingo Has own airport and yacht port so that crowd can skip Montevideo and the pichis
13:30 * asciilifeform misread, for moment, as 'puta del este'
13:31 BingoBoingo Well, Uruguay. Putas y loras tambien ahí.
13:33 asciilifeform oblig typical pete_d_ism, ftr. 'That simply crossing paths with an aristocratic family in my own backyard...' 'this was the heirloom quality family from TLP’s Patek Philippe ads...' etc
13:33 asciilifeform '...with the pretty and delightfully well-mannered girls who spoke to their mother in English and their father in what sounded like Flemish – was the crystallised product of – who knows ? – perhaps as many as ten generations of fine breeding...'
13:34 asciilifeform see also.
13:34 a111 Logged on 2017-02-03 05:29 phf: my mom had one of those "papa escaped the purges by burning all paperwork but life got tough when they took our governess" piano teachers, who would lament about being forced to teach peasants and brown folk, not on racial grounds as much as "you have to have a bidet in your house for 3 generations, before you can touch a piano"
13:35 BingoBoingo Well, even the roofed poor here have bidets in the house.
13:35 BingoBoingo This is rural Uruguay, not urban New York. Gotta have a bidet here.
13:36 asciilifeform lolyes
13:36 BingoBoingo I suspect its in the local building code next to asado Fridays at every construction site.
13:40 mircea_popescu the yachting thing was pretty big in the... well, the 90s mostly, i'd say.
13:41 asciilifeform incidentally, while on subj -- and i did even try to warn pete -- folx who abuse fg as 'collectible stamp' set themselves up for hurt, unlike patek etc thing is quite deliberately designed to be simple to replicate, lacks any form of serial numeration etc, and the only tests are for mechanical correctness, where all units built to spec pass, whether orig by asciilifeform, or by zimbabwe, or martians.
13:41 mircea_popescu buy what's essentially a floating condo for ~same what a condo in downtown metro area costs, spend your time going from yacht club to yacht club. the not-retarded charlie sheens did this, usually with a competent alpha (usually, 20year+wife) to pick the local sluts.
13:42 mircea_popescu to me it seemed mind numbing, but to a buncha retired-early upper middleclassians... well... easy & cheap path out.
13:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: orlov et al were telling the troof, i went and priced, a parking space for standard habitable boat is <1k/mo in most of usa, well under what 'condo downtown' cost
13:43 mircea_popescu the principal cost is the boat itself.
13:43 asciilifeform ( hence how subj piqued asciilifeform's interest some yrs ago )
13:43 asciilifeform aha, mircea_popescu detailed.
13:44 asciilifeform ftr asciilifeform is satisfied that no one has produced a miraculous matter from which could be built a boat that never requires dry dock etc.
13:44 mircea_popescu but anyway, it ~was~ a thing, in the sense poker was a thing, whereby you could meet > a few dozen quite pleasant such folk in the respective haunts, from florida to just about eastern colombia etc, and then on the other side, mostly south of france, italy, greek islands etc.
13:46 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: did it stop being thing ? i went to boatyards, saw ~0 empty spots, lotsa boatism
13:46 asciilifeform even in BingoBoingostan, saw
13:47 asciilifeform ( ...or, is it 'aspirational' a la tlp folx, who sail the sea until 1st leak..? )
13:48 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Quite a few boats I suspect are on the whisper market in kinda the same way just about any piece of real estate in the city has a price if you bother to ask.
13:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it stopped being the thing it was ; it's still a thing but more in the sense of the rest of real estate "market" -- beneficial "owners" trying to extricate themselves out of the jam, long lost sight of the benefit or even the usage.
13:49 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i dug into subj very briefly in usa, and found interesting the diff b/w 'new' and 'gently used', more than tenfold typically
13:49 BingoBoingo And yes the Puertito Buceo is rather full looking, but still has room to drop anchor. Another yacht club a few km away closer to capacity.
13:49 mircea_popescu poker is still A thing today ; the problem with it is that wherever you sit down you're gonna run into a buncha pete d's and tired old con men.
13:50 asciilifeform aa.
13:50 BingoBoingo Even in the middle west of old country joke was "Happiest days of boat owning are buying the boat and selling the boat"
13:51 mircea_popescu ie, not the thing it was. in 1999 we'd have prolly went over for dinner if invited ; in 2019 we'd just chuckle about the shawrmy.
13:51 asciilifeform i'm sold on mircea_popescu's pt re how proper boat is not a standalone system .
13:51 a111 Logged on 2014-11-26 00:46 asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it.
13:52 mircea_popescu from my rock, the whole yacht thing (not a place to LIVE ON, orlol and all, mind) was a specific "token of entry" in a specific, upper-middleclass network.
13:52 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: outta curiosity, how do they do customs (or do they??) to the yachts ?
13:52 mircea_popescu the middle class entirely does not exist anymore ; the item is no longer a token for the disused faine, either.
13:52 mircea_popescu asciilifeform back in the day they ~didn't use to.
13:53 asciilifeform right, but would be surprised if today still not
13:53 mircea_popescu nfi tbh
13:53 asciilifeform esp. in a bananistan where 20-30% import tax on just about anyffin
13:53 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: there is the chance, but... boat owning is still privileged somewhat here.
13:53 BingoBoingo This is a country of tourism and cows
13:54 mircea_popescu the yacht-as-a-place-to-live thing was, whatever, poor village farmhands imagining among themselves a consensus as to how riveters work goes in the big city up on those tall buildings.
13:54 asciilifeform for that merit, imho even crackpot idea of datacenter ~on~ boat, where 'mno, not taxable, these machines are welded to the hull' may have merit
13:54 asciilifeform *for that matter
13:55 asciilifeform (if could somehow get fiber to the dock..)
13:55 asciilifeform cooling, for instance, ~phree
13:55 mircea_popescu the yacht-as-it-was-used was a better-alternative-to-airplane+airport-plebcombo. slower (in the good sense -- anyonre recall the "downshifiting" 90s thing ?), not much more expensive (if you travel business class and 5 star hotel, you end up paying for summering in the carribean ~same as the cost to own yacht, give or take), infinitely more pleasant.
13:56 asciilifeform as i understand, the world of rich folx 'not in a hurry to anywhere' is gone, yes
13:56 asciilifeform is what really killed dirigible.
13:56 mircea_popescu but that was the market there, "honey, since we're doing 5k x2 in plane tickets and 3-500 a night in hotel stays for 4 to 8 weeks each year, coming to a 25k or so, we could just pay coupla mil upfront on this piece of machinery that'll resell for maybe mil-mil and a half in five years and cost to own 10k or so a year, taking us just about even"
13:57 mircea_popescu "and this way, we don't have to worry about 5 star hotel having no bell hop or misplacing reservations and if we feel like making the 8 weeks 18... well..."
13:57 asciilifeform i suspect mircea_popescu missed a 0 in there somewhere, even diesel to cross ocean is prolly >10k naodays
13:58 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: From what I understand the chinese commercial fishing vessels tend to not get customs checked with any frequency
13:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform do you have any idea how far your car takes you on 10k of gas ?
13:58 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: china is always separate conversation. they dun get hit by pirates either, as it is known that they piss on 'no armed merchants' treaty and have full selection of e.g rpg7 on board
13:59 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Argentina shoots at them
13:59 mircea_popescu yacht engine not so much different from luxury car, same few hundred hp. you run it for an hour, you burn about a galon, costs you about 2 bucks.
13:59 mircea_popescu 5000 hours is half a fucking year.
13:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: toyota is 2tonne, rather than 2000, and rolls 'without slipping' on dry land, neh.
13:59 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Argentina also gets pissy about letting them dock. In Uruguay welcome mat gets rolled out.
13:59 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the engine still runs by time.
14:00 mircea_popescu anyway. we are discussing 1990s dollars here.
14:00 mircea_popescu thirty years ago. might account for the perceived 0.
14:00 asciilifeform then indeed 'add a zero' lol
14:02 asciilifeform for thread-completeness, the yacht asciilifeform personally took a ride on (for uninteresting saecular biz reasons) was a 1600 h.p. item.
14:02 asciilifeform pair of diesels, like nazi sub.
14:02 asciilifeform surprisingly quiet, also
14:02 mircea_popescu those were more the "corporate" thing. if you had a porn empire or something. berlusconi had one, for all the 14yo african girlies to nudie dip off off.
14:03 mircea_popescu whereas the bulk of the subculture was made up of 40 and 50yos, married for 20ish years, well tanned female keeping in shape an' intelligent dude who made his money by being clever.
14:03 asciilifeform strangely enuff wasn't even physically large, comfortably fit 2dozen people or so, if standing
14:03 mircea_popescu which is the deep problem here : in socialist economy this class of "i made 20mn being smart" thing no longer exists.
14:04 mircea_popescu bureaucrats have other interests, and a very different sense of cool -- hence your horripilated reaction to pete d's internally coherent visions of normality.
14:05 asciilifeform admittedly asciilifeform has somewhat old-fashioned or even sovok-flavoured 'picture of cool'. having own sub -- cool. esp if with working arms. or own junkers bomber. but, pete_d's baubles?!
14:06 mircea_popescu what can i tell you. u;ltimately all things are baubleds/.
14:06 * mircea_popescu shall bbl!
14:06 asciilifeform 'all flesh is grass' etc
14:06 * asciilifeform also brb, tea
14:12 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/06/21-month-sentence-to-new-zealand-businessman-for-video-sharing-in-new-zealand-no-copyrights-charges-involved/ << Qntra -- 21 Month Sentence To New Zealand Businessman For Video Sharing In New Zealand, No Copyrights Charges Involved
14:27 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: So here's an example of new of the local market https://archive.is/soEt8 And here are a few used in ascending price order https://archive.is/DXd03 https://archive.is/yv8KF https://archive.is/HmaEo
14:27 BingoBoingo "TOMAMOS VEHICULOS LIVIANOS (NO CAMIONES) COMO PARTE DE PAGO, PUEDEN SER MAS DE UNO."
14:30 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: these look quite like the usa prices, i.e. 200-300k dubloons for a tub that won't even sleep 2 people
14:39 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/HmaEo << Hay 3 cabinas y Desalinizadora, 400k USD menos "VEHICULOS LIVIANOS" por la cuesta. Blue water vessel.
14:44 BingoBoingo If you want bigger, that is a different market and you are getting out of yachts and into ships
14:58 asciilifeform send it to pete_d. who is prolly thinking, what to do, after already has solid gold toilet, why not also put it in a floating fiberglass tub the size of a small truck.
14:58 asciilifeform perhaps he can install the rolexes on the gunwales.
14:59 asciilifeform hang up the patek philippes as sail riggings.
15:00 asciilifeform then he can sit on the golden throne and study flemish and 'fine breeding.'
15:01 BingoBoingo Well that's what the next market is. Everyfucking thing goes "price on request"
15:02 BingoBoingo So they can count patek to rolex ratio and price accordingly
15:05 asciilifeform for the cost of just 1 such tub, d00d could live like a duke in e.g. cr, ro, etc. but -- without peacock tail.
15:05 asciilifeform ( live -- for years )
15:05 BingoBoingo Indeed
15:06 asciilifeform in some ways it was actually interesting, for asciilifeform , when talked to pete_d -- fella could not picture how life could be worth living at all w/out peacocking
15:06 asciilifeform entirely martian, from my pov, outlook.
15:06 BingoBoingo Consider https://www.maritimesales.com/PI12.htm allegedly sold for a bit more 550k USD, but as submarine comes with substantially higher maintenance and crew costs
15:08 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: that thing is very muchly a http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-26#934786 item . consider, even current-day ru navy has problems sourcing parts, continues to scrap old sovok vessels from lack of spares.
15:08 a111 Logged on 2014-11-26 00:46 asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it.
15:08 asciilifeform then again mircea_popescu did recount having seen a working one on beach of cr at some pt.
15:09 asciilifeform sovok vessels in particular were designed with very heavy reliance on cheap manual labour on board. simply to load torpedo took iirc 4 men. and to steer, no fewer than 4, etc.
15:10 asciilifeform and all of'em had to actually know what they were doing, or -- problem.
15:10 a111 Logged on 2019-05-31 13:48 asciilifeform: in 1 particular documented case, where boat was raised 7yrs later, they found that an old salt turned valve in wrong direction. fella served on a diff design for a decade, where dir was opposite. he put such strength into 'closing' valve that the handle was bent. rest of crew breathed for 2wks, aside from one who hung self in bed and another who shorted battery with both hands.
15:11 BingoBoingo Indeed requires slave empire or thing approximating. Fiberglass thing however... lower organizational demands.
15:14 asciilifeform still req's slave empire. simply, slightly moar evenly distributed.
15:14 asciilifeform you can't exactly fix the fiberglass by careening it on rando island and with local tree bark.
15:18 BingoBoingo Kind the point of fiberglass is minimizing the cost of scuttling it when necessary
~ 21 minutes ~
15:39 BingoBoingo If the aim is fucking with empire, off the shelf fiberglass hulls are prolly the way to go.
~ 20 minutes ~
15:59 mircea_popescu meanwhile continuing the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-19#1918697 nonsense : wine doesn't work worth a shit on the new ubuntu. it never worked splendidly, granted, but it was quite workable last i looked into this half decade ago. it degraded significantly. for instance, after a bunch of installing various, i'm left with a taskbar fulla dead icons. (well, in fairness they bring up a transparent exclamation point in a tria
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15:59 a111 Logged on 2019-06-19 16:30 mircea_popescu: i could keep on forever -- old one, had directly accessible screen resolution switcher. new one -- does not, so that if (for instance!) your settlers 4 wine installation fucks the screen leaving it in 800x600 mode upon closure, either you know to xrandr -q xrandr --output --mode directly, or else you reboot.
15:59 mircea_popescu ngle if foregrounded forcibly).
15:59 mircea_popescu these are ~unclosable~. in any way.
15:59 mircea_popescu for instance of what i mean by "any way" : you'd expect kill $(ps aux | grep wine | cut -f2 -d" "| awk '{print $1}') will do it. and indeed it kills DOZENS of processes.
15:59 mircea_popescu but the icons in the tray ? they stay.
15:59 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/06/harley-davidson-partners-with-chinas-qianjiang-motorcycle-amid-shrinking-us-market/ << Qntra -- Harley-Davidson Partners With Chinas Qianjiang Motorcycle Amid Shrinking US Market
16:04 mircea_popescu this damned thing is almost exactly windows, i dunno why even bother with emulators, should just run win binaries native by now.
16:05 BingoBoingo Seems this is kinda intentional on Ubuntu's part. Making Windows appear viable.
16:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: last i knew, 'wine' worked pretty well... then again, the only thing asciilifeform ever ran in it, was 'ida pro', and with fully decade-old copy of 'wine' by nao
16:06 mircea_popescu everything in the shitpile is way less from upclose than it appears / pretends from a distance. EVERYTHING.
16:06 asciilifeform fwiw i never used the icons / faux-winblowz-desktop pheature
16:06 mircea_popescu steam is not "this big deal gaming published with its own os", it's a pathetic front on a dead flash-wannabe (unity)
16:07 mircea_popescu ubuntu is not some kind of linux. it's a mod on windows registry.
16:07 asciilifeform i had nfi that 'linux steam' ran under emulator.
16:07 asciilifeform thought, for some reason , that they actually rebuilt their gamez
16:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that part doesn't work, of course. and you should see what the glyph engine looks like.
16:07 mircea_popescu but i was trying to get king's bounty legends of the north booted.
16:09 asciilifeform this is prolly why most gamez aficionados end up with bona fide winblowz box in the house
16:09 mircea_popescu most of the fucking processes can't even be brought up by clicking on this derp-ass gui
16:09 mircea_popescu basically ubuntu is a sorely crippled linux box
16:10 asciilifeform mircea_popescu by nao beat the shit out of asciilifeform's record -- asciilifeform barfed permanently after one time 10min on shituntu
16:10 asciilifeform 3 whole weeks, i cannot even picture
16:11 mircea_popescu oh, no, it's so accessible and usable and progressed, i dunno what you could be griping about
16:11 mircea_popescu hurr durr
16:11 asciilifeform lol
16:11 mircea_popescu vaguely reminds me of the old ibm-pc clone days, when ~nothing worke
16:12 asciilifeform you oughta see a winblowz-10 box up close. just once.
16:12 mircea_popescu meanwhile i actually got this thing going. you ever played the kb franchise ?
16:12 asciilifeform ( not only not worx, but ~shows ads~. 'wouldja like to play 'candy crush ?' erry time hit menu, etc )
16:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nope
16:12 mircea_popescu holy shit what ?!
16:13 BingoBoingo AHA, yes. I have seen the Win10 ad machine in a zoo!
16:13 * mircea_popescu shall be off to lead his virtual armies. which is how one survives on modern "operating system" : by spending all the time inside pre-modern, 1990s era games.
16:14 asciilifeform dungo yet, mircea_popescu , i took a screenshit just for you!
16:16 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/winblows10.jpg << from a reasonably fresh install. i shit thee not, is what stock install's menu loox like.
16:17 mircea_popescu that looks fucking terrible
16:17 asciilifeform noshit
16:17 mircea_popescu is this where the "rounded corners" trend ends up ?!
16:17 asciilifeform slow, too
16:17 asciilifeform takes almost 10sec from click to display menu
16:17 asciilifeform on 'i7' box
16:17 mircea_popescu you recall the amiga guy's failed bid to make a sort of tablets-in-tables restaurant/amusement park ?
16:18 asciilifeform cuz, elementarily, it has to load that crapola from ms
16:18 mircea_popescu before apple made portable tablets and ruined him ?
16:18 asciilifeform vaguely recall aha
16:18 mircea_popescu ~same look and feel as that klonk, "we hacked up some old slot machines" "why ?" "dunno"
16:18 asciilifeform i saw them, i think, alive
16:18 asciilifeform briefly were in the wild here in washingtonistan
16:18 mircea_popescu anyway, i am a skald, my name's oglaf, an' FOR THE C
16:19 mircea_popescu LAAANS!!!
16:19 * asciilifeform will bbl, in fact has to do something ~on the pictured box~ no less !
16:19 mircea_popescu btw king's bounty looks fabulous in 1920x1080.
16:20 asciilifeform before going to this, will note -- interestingly, the 'huawei' has a... 3000x2000 .
16:20 asciilifeform seems like nobody else makes'em (why? imho pretty good proportion)
16:21 asciilifeform literally the 1 lappy made since '07 or so, with ~square lcd.
~ 6 hours 16 minutes ~
22:37 BingoBoingo In the local newses https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/justicia-permitio-a-narco-de-minas-cumplir-condena-en-su-casa--2019619161724
22:52 BingoBoingo wb mod6
22:53 mod6 thx BingoBoingo!
22:54 BingoBoingo So, the only noticable impact of the "ciclono extratropical" that hit here is a bunch of gunk washed up on the beach.
22:54 BingoBoingo And apparently in Colonia (the place where cheese comes from) the river gunk turning over messed with their water treatment plant.
22:55 mod6 Wasn't worth the long lines eh?
22:57 BingoBoingo Not particularly, but the local news has to do the panic thing to make ad sales I guess.
22:57 BingoBoingo Not at all like back in the states where storms would turn into multi day blackouts
22:58 mod6 werd
23:07 BingoBoingo I remember very recently back in the US the power was out for an extended period of time because it was summer and the line carrying power into town caught fire.
23:07 BingoBoingo Then there was the one spring week after a wind storm.
23:07 BingoBoingo And two different winters with ~week outages
23:08 BingoBoingo But all of those were after 2006. Before that it was only the occasional hour or so during thunderstorms.
~ 15 minutes ~
23:23 mod6 Yikes, week is a long time.
~ 35 minutes ~
23:59 BingoBoingo But, you know US and proges
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