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00:03 mircea_popescu <undata> if I had a few mil, I'd try to build a greenhouse on a barge << barge powered by ethanol, lemme guess ?
00:04 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> try moving your only 1mil overseas, intact << if it makes you feel any better, when i left romania (the first time) i gave away large chunks of what otherwise'd been "wealth".
00:04 mircea_popescu just like if al saud decides to leave saudi arabia he's not likely going to SELL it.
00:07 decimation mircea_popescu: as to our conversation a few days ago about what King Louis XVI could have done about the socialist uprising, perhaps one answer is that actual people everywhere have an interest in damping the enthusiasm of this kind of mob
00:07 mircea_popescu sure, so you have an interest. what now ?
00:08 decimation I suppose these kinds of counterfactuals always factor down to 'should have killed private Schicklgruber'
00:10 mircea_popescu looky here, dying empires don't dampen the mob. that's a job for the earlier times.
00:10 mircea_popescu back when men still believed in the future of the entire construction, the effort and inclination to take children and wives over the knee can readily be summoned.
00:11 mircea_popescu once it's fate is sealed, who can be bothered ? would you punish your children for misbehaving in a nuclear shelter ?
00:11 decimation yeah that's a good point. especially if some homeless laut is peddling a false hope in the corner over there
00:12 mircea_popescu let em have fun, what.
00:12 decimation and so what comes is a generation of spoiled brats, willing to listen to whoever is promising bread & circuses
00:21 mircea_popescu http://jim.com/killer.htm
00:21 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1xW72Zq )
00:21 mircea_popescu "Let Gingrich and Gore hail the arrival of the information superhighway that "the people" can use to talk back to our "leaders." Their illusive dream of "participatory democracy" will be short-lived.
00:21 mircea_popescu Because this highway doesn't lead to Washington."
00:21 mircea_popescu quite.
00:21 mircea_popescu no roads lead to washington, actually.
00:21 mircea_popescu "The information revolution will transform the politics of power just as surely as the broadcast media did 70 years ago. Only this time, power will devolve back toward its sources, not inward toward demagogues seeking to gather it. The Net will subvert the centralized economic and social control mechanisms that allowed the great welfare-warfare states[33] of the 20th century to dominate our commerce, our psychic landsc
00:21 mircea_popescu ape and even our definition of who we are."
00:23 mircea_popescu Wait for the day when citizens, incessantly polled by leaders trying to jump out in front of each passing parade, don't even bother answering the questions. "Do you feel that your group is going to get its fair share of the booty your elected representatives plan to pilfer from that group?" Get lost.
00:23 mircea_popescu I am an American, but my children will be free citizens of the Net. They may reside in this country[22] or that, but their economic and social intercourse will effortlessly span the globe.
00:23 mircea_popescu this guy should get some sort of journalism reward.
00:31 decimation yeah Jim has a point, it seems to me the Internet has a tendency to empower the periphery at the expense of the center
00:31 decimation when communication between the outposts becomes cheap, a giant bureaucracy to 'coordinate' things suddenly seems redundant
00:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00042577 = 8.0896 BTC [+]
00:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00042577 = 4.6409 BTC [+]
00:44 undata mircea_popescu: I have no philosophical objection to burning gas
00:44 undata whatever the cheapest power plant is at the time will do
00:45 undata I'd plan on still making software for money in such a scenario
00:49 undata I think I could stomach enough human contact to tank up.
00:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71350 @ 0.00041602 = 29.683 BTC [-] {3}
00:53 ben_vulpes <mircea_popescu> and im pretty sure isis is the first place with a serenissima embassy, for that matter. << this exists in point of fact?
00:55 ben_vulpes i miss all the good logs.
00:57 ben_vulpes <bagels7> can i use a credit card << no but he does accept payment in tits, albeit roundaboutly
00:58 ben_vulpes ;;later tell bagels7 can i use a credit card << no but he does accept payment in tits, albeit roundaboutly
00:58 gribble The operation succeeded.
01:07 ben_vulpes ah hilarious
01:08 ben_vulpes the RT iPhone app is a million times better than the WSJ's
01:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00042577 = 7.9619 BTC [+]
01:12 ben_vulpes ditto for al jazeera
01:12 decimation I tried to use the deutsche welle app once, it crashed my phone
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01:28 ben_vulpes !up Vexual
01:29 Vexual I was just saying, when you're emailing your local member of parliment, realise that it might not be he that reads it, and know what you're selling
01:31 ben_vulpes <mircea_popescu> <cazalla> bagels7: the beatings were way worse than any bdsm "master" i had <<< lol same << lol wait, bagels7 is into bdsm ? << the funny thing here is that *cazalla* is XD
01:31 cazalla am not
01:32 Vexual senate comittee starts tommorrow
01:32 ben_vulpes lady doth etc etc
01:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33398 @ 0.00042883 = 14.3221 BTC [+] {2}
01:35 Vexual free rabbits
01:36 ben_vulpes i'll pay for some rabbit stew
01:37 Vexual ^ ditto
01:38 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4smim2MNvF8
01:43 Vexual i'd roast it up with some oranges
01:43 Vexual sweet meat
01:44 Vexual ive been vego for a while
01:44 Vexual i'd eat a galah
01:45 cazalla Vexual, ya mate zhenya fucked up
01:45 cazalla http://qntra.net/2014/11/digital-btc-lose-bitcoin-com-au-by-mistake/
01:45 assbot Digital BTC Lose Bitcoin.com.au By Mistake | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1uzOQNX )
01:45 Vexual who now?
01:46 cazalla i've dealt with the auDA fuck heads before, tried to take mah domains off me
01:46 Vexual hes not a mate or an associate
01:46 cazalla i emerged victorious!
01:46 cazalla Vexual, yeah yeah :P it was a joke
01:47 Vexual i read the anual report tho
01:48 Vexual it's not his main business
01:49 Vexual although the model is quite nice
01:52 Vexual his bitcoin consulting fees were higher than his directors renumeration
01:53 Vexual they made some good moves
01:54 Vexual but theres still this interface between the bitcoin pace and the asx or whatever
01:55 Vexual Yo can watch tmz and dcc, and that melbourne thing that never floated
01:56 cazalla bitcoin group? that guy who is trying to float got social engineered lol and lost like 100 btc and he wants to run a company when he is so stupid to click emails
01:56 Vexual really?
01:56 Vexual i thought they were supposed to float a few weeks back?
01:57 Vexual what form you do put in when you fail like that?
01:57 cazalla nah, postponed he says
01:57 cazalla medibank floated today
01:57 cazalla another telstra scam by the looks of it, price is already under IPO on day one
01:59 cazalla !up Vexual
01:59 Vexual anyway zt doesn't mean zou tung anymore, this guy could buy his debt like me buying a cornetto
02:00 cazalla i wonder if zt will just buy back the domain from new owner
02:02 Vexual he might just ask nicely
02:03 cazalla nah, new owner will prob want a pay day
02:05 Vexual he might just get it
02:05 Vexual i don't think zt needs it tho
02:07 Vexual leaving 36k on the table might be a thing
02:07 cazalla well, he bought it for digital BTC, so technically the company owns it, or did, not him
02:08 cazalla so now he has to go to shareholders and tell them, at least i assume so
02:08 Vexual yeah, ive read the annual
02:09 Vexual it's obviously an oversight
02:10 cazalla on his part yes but common way to get domains in .au
02:10 cazalla auDA won't force new owner to return simply because of a mistake
02:10 Vexual dog businnes
02:11 Vexual but if you're not using it... eh
02:11 cazalla few times people have taken it outside of auDA and to court though, ZT could do that or simply buy it back which i bet is likely to happen
02:12 Vexual well h ecould verily claim he is bitcoin.com.au
02:12 cazalla Vexual, perhaps new owner just uses it for email, there is no criteria stating he has to have a webpage
02:12 Vexual im sure it will all sort out in the wash
02:12 cazalla can claim, must prove
02:14 Vexual anyway, that cunt can just hop n his aero and take a few more bitmain to iceland
02:15 Vexual wot dhl?
02:18 Vexual id guess he cares more about mining his own tx's than a domain name
02:22 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xS4BdvdRZk
02:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00041926 = 4.9473 BTC [-]
02:26 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpmxrdN7Lg4
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02:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58650 @ 0.00041926 = 24.5896 BTC [-]
03:02 cazalla !up Vexual
03:09 Vexual i tell you wot, id consult for zt
03:09 Vexual if he wasnt so scary
03:12 Vexual if hes worth a mil pa id be 200k
03:12 Vexual but with a loss like that, id recommend less
03:15 Vexual here we go, it;s 20yearmoney to tell u sabout growth
03:18 Vexual Jou Ma Se poes in a fish paste jar.
03:19 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBYd1MuFMgk
03:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71400 @ 0.00042106 = 30.0637 BTC [+] {2}
03:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36142 @ 0.00042523 = 15.3687 BTC [+]
03:24 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHD5nd3QLTg
03:28 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkhX5W7JoWI
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04:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00041955 = 7.2582 BTC [-]
04:25 mircea_popescu <decimation> yeah Jim has a point << it was actually one Bill Frezza. jad just reprinted it.
04:25 mircea_popescu <undata> mircea_popescu: I have no philosophical objection to burning gas <<< sure, but if you're on a barge you can't conceivably drill for oil. so ethanol's left.
04:26 mircea_popescu (moreover my point was that growing shit is taking care of the small problem, most of your energetic needs aren't "what to eat")
04:26 mircea_popescu <ben_vulpes> and im pretty sure isis is the first place with a serenissima embassy, for that matter. << this exists in point of fact? <<< not quite, no.
04:29 mircea_popescu !up orkaa
04:33 cazalla bitcoin price after last years black friday sale?
04:33 cazalla drop i mean
04:34 cazalla ah never mind, went to moon soon after
04:35 mircea_popescu by now "price" as reported by "exchanges" is pretty much a random value.
04:36 mircea_popescu all the scams with "margin" and 90% fake trade volume get to report a "price".
04:37 cazalla mircea_popescu, yes but i would prefer that random value be on the lower side either tmw or after black friday
04:37 mircea_popescu lol
04:38 cazalla not usually something i worry about but i am sure there will be a long line of people handing over coins for useless shit on black friday
04:39 mircea_popescu i have my doubts.
04:40 cazalla namecheap 99c .com sounds ok though
04:42 mircea_popescu i guess
04:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00042533 = 1.914 BTC [+] {2}
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05:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63047 @ 0.00041985 = 26.4703 BTC [-] {3}
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05:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00041838 = 6.9242 BTC [-]
05:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00122931 = 1.2293 BTC [+] {2}
05:44 cazalla looks like bitcoin conferences are moving onto blockchain conferences now lol http://latitude.global/ sponsored by ethereum
05:44 assbot Latitude 19.3N | INTERNATIONAL BLOCK CHAIN | January 2O,21,22 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1pih7N9 )
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06:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74417 @ 0.00042486 = 31.6168 BTC [+] {2}
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07:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1156 @ 0.00122001 = 1.4103 BTC [-]
07:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56000 @ 0.00042006 = 23.5234 BTC [-]
07:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.09228782 = 1.0152 BTC [-] {3}
07:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 89 @ 0.09008809 = 8.0178 BTC [-] {5}
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07:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 55 @ 0.09001891 = 4.951 BTC [-] {2}
07:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75447 @ 0.00042336 = 31.9412 BTC [+] {3}
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07:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61398 @ 0.00042449 = 26.0628 BTC [+] {2}
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08:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43200 @ 0.00042397 = 18.3155 BTC [-]
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09:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40041 @ 0.00041502 = 16.6178 BTC [-]
09:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.1 = 1.8 BTC [+]
09:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6137 @ 0.00041502 = 2.547 BTC [-]
09:34 mats_cd03 aw, i fell asleep before all the activity
09:34 mats_cd03 fergudishu, even.
09:41 jurov ;;ticker
09:41 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 381.05, Best ask: 382.49, Bid-ask spread: 1.44000, Last trade: 382.49, 24 hour volume: 20437.64069085, 24 hour low: 372.91, 24 hour high: 395.11, 24 hour vwap: 0
09:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62186 @ 0.00041689 = 25.9247 BTC [+] {2}
09:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00041953 = 1.4684 BTC [+]
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10:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23398 @ 0.00041953 = 9.8162 BTC [+]
10:16 ben_vulpes office space is painfully tight in pdx
10:17 ben_vulpes "tech bubble" top when?
10:19 mats_cd03 my bets are on the next five years
10:21 * ben_vulpes puts fuel in the product arm of the biz in a vain attempt to survive the music stopping
10:22 mats_cd03 whaddya need office space for?
10:22 ben_vulpes 'Children’s need to be “stimulated, pushed and encouraged to take risks is as great as their need for stability and security,”' << merry go-rounds aren't a thing in the states any more, because children might get scraped up.
10:22 ben_vulpes mats_cd03: i run a consulting shop. far easier to get contributors to contribute/consult when there's an actual place to go.
10:23 ben_vulpes plus, i like to get out of the house.
10:23 ben_vulpes plus, i'd like host client meetings somewhere that isn't a noisy-as-fuck coffee shop.
10:23 ben_vulpes like *to
10:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31095 @ 0.00041353 = 12.8587 BTC [-] {2}
10:24 danielpbarron http://youtu.be/Rw4BCniDqD0
10:24 assbot Thrift Shop PARODY "I'm Obama" ~ Rucka Rucka Ali - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HEriBO )
10:24 mats_cd03 struggle.
10:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18879 @ 0.00041 = 7.7404 BTC [-]
10:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21586 @ 0.00042164 = 9.1015 BTC [+] {2}
10:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59500 @ 0.00040986 = 24.3867 BTC [-] {2}
10:46 BingoBoingo http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/in-ferguson-police-cars-businesses-on-fire-much-worse-than/article_47fc89b3-b0d2-5c41-a1fa-f4636673aac0.html
10:46 assbot IN FERGUSON: Businesses burn, police cars torched as violence 'much worse' than August : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1HEt1XU )
11:00 gernika Some looting in Oakland: http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Late-night-looters-trash-Oakland-stores-5915959.php
11:00 assbot Late-night looters trash Oakland stores - SFGate ... ( http://bit.ly/1HEu3mE )
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11:15 BingoBoingo Nice work cazalla www.thedomains.com/2014/11/25/bitcoin-com-au-sells-for-31200-as-owner-loses-the-domain-due-to-bad-registrant-info/
11:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1003 @ 0.00122798 = 1.2317 BTC [+] {2}
11:20 BingoBoingo Interesting pictures in this one http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/11/25/ferguson_protests_fires_follow_grand_jury_decision_not_to_indict_darren.html
11:20 assbot Ferguson protests, fires follow grand jury decision not to indict Darren Wilson. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HEvGRk )
11:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1411 @ 0.00122948 = 1.7348 BTC [+] {2}
11:22 mats_cd03 for whatever reason slate.com accepts left, right arrow keys as input changes the page...
11:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 846 @ 0.00123 = 1.0406 BTC [+] {5}
11:23 mats_cd03 as inputs, and*
11:30 BingoBoingo !up Shakespeare
11:31 BingoBoingo Fucking white folks http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/op-ed-protester-getting-ready-for-ferguson-shoots-herself-in-the-head/article/417008
11:31 assbot Op-Ed: Protester getting 'ready for Ferguson' shoots herself in the head ... ( http://bit.ly/1HEwsxJ )
11:35 BingoBoingo http://orbilu.uni.lu/handle/10993/18679
11:35 assbot ORBilu: Biryukov Alex - Deanonymisation of clients in Bitcoin P2P network ... ( http://bit.ly/1HEwJAI )
11:47 mats_cd03 the nature of the negligent discharge seems dubious
11:47 mats_cd03 more likely the driver got into an accident while attempting to kill a nuisance.
11:49 BingoBoingo Who knows. It isn't like more than half of clear homicides get solved in the StL metro.
11:58 assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 431 @ 0.00327579 = 1.4119 BTC [+] {3}
11:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75050 @ 0.00040852 = 30.6594 BTC [-] {3}
12:06 pete_dushenski manual scoopbot incoming:
12:06 pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/24/bitcoin-year-in-review-2014-the-price-went-down-so-we-prepared-for-war/
12:06 assbot Bitcoin Year-In-Review: The Price Went Down, So We Prepared For War | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1vJCE4q )
12:06 pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/25/an-ode-to-my-tygers/
12:06 assbot An Ode To My Tygers | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1vJCCtk )
12:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63500 @ 0.00040688 = 25.8369 BTC [-] {2}
12:20 jurov https://twitter.com/magicaltux/status/537197032130084864
12:20 assbot Recent Sony Pictures hack seems to point toward China or Korea due to included file encoding. More details: http://t.co/ChxUj8PJfA
12:21 jurov such expert
12:21 pete_dushenski brofessional
12:26 pete_dushenski https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/537242267371978752
12:26 assbot Social, economic, & intellectual aristocracies have an almost error free mechanism by which members can identify each other very rapidly.
12:26 pete_dushenski ^eg. la serenissima
12:29 jurov lol how do you identify e.g. Vexual?
12:30 * jurov *sniff* *sniff*
12:30 pete_dushenski how don't you?
12:31 jurov lol pete doesn't like to get sniffed
12:31 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2014/11/sony-pictures-suffers-targeted-cyber-attack/
12:31 assbot Sony Pictures Suffers Targeted Cyber Attack | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1vbWdPx )
12:36 BingoBoingo * jurov *sniff* *sniff* << On the internet everyone is Dog
12:39 BingoBoingo !Up Fergudishu
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13:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52700 @ 0.0004052 = 21.354 BTC [-] {2}
13:17 BingoBoingo !up ParadoxBTC
13:17 ParadoxBTC Why thank you :)
13:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46883 @ 0.00040333 = 18.9093 BTC [-] {2}
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13:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58200 @ 0.00041182 = 23.9679 BTC [+] {2}
13:45 fluffypony Jurassic World trailer is out
13:45 fluffypony https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFinNxS5KN4
13:45 assbot Jurassic World - Official Trailer (HD) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vjTvsr )
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14:00 BingoBoingo TempleOS in the news http://motherboard.vice.com/read/gods-lonely-programmer
14:00 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1vjUrNt )
14:02 thestringpuller Haven't seen fluffypony in a while
14:03 fluffypony I'm like a ghost
14:03 thestringpuller i thought that would imply you are dead but still alive (fake dead, but people believe it)
14:04 fluffypony lol
14:05 thestringpuller ;;ticker
14:05 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 378.08, Best ask: 379.42, Bid-ask spread: 1.34000, Last trade: 378.07, 24 hour volume: 19462.53412919, 24 hour low: 372.91, 24 hour high: 395.11, 24 hour vwap: 0
14:05 thestringpuller !l m s.mpoe
14:05 assbot Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00041182 BTC [+]
14:05 thestringpuller ouch
14:08 asciilifeform for those unfamiliar:
14:08 asciilifeform !s terry davis
14:08 assbot 6 results for 'terry davis' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=terry+davis
14:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.09 = 4.5 BTC [-] {3}
14:19 thestringpuller asciilifeform: i never new logic gates were so fun.
14:23 asciilifeform !up diametric
14:24 diametric http://rachelbythebay.com/w/2014/11/24/touch/
14:24 assbot Kill init by touching a bunch of files ... ( http://bit.ly/1vjWL7d )
14:24 diametric asciilifeform enables my laziness
14:29 asciilifeform 'Of course, this already happened: someone wrote a patch... in 2011... That said, the patch was rejected, and that's that. The bug lives on.'
14:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69700 @ 0.00041399 = 28.8551 BTC [+] {2}
14:33 adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2014#867321 << why?
14:33 assbot Logged on 10-10-2014 04:18:11; asciilifeform: 1 of the 3 other monkeys, perhaps, knows russian (which imho is an absolute hard requirement for this particular stunt)
14:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00041594 = 11.7919 BTC [+] {2}
14:42 asciilifeform adlai: because that is the language in which fundamental research in computing continued, while in the west - died in 1950s.
14:44 adlai madness, blasphemy. all research must be conducted and documented in english!
14:47 mircea_popescu o.O
14:47 mircea_popescu outside of biochemistry and perhaps some aeronautics, i struggle to think of a field where research is done in english
14:49 cazalla fluffypony: Jurassic World trailer is out <<< i could not be more disappointed
14:49 fluffypony cazalla: it just looks like a rehash of the first movie but with better CGI
14:50 mircea_popescu We present an efficient method to deanonymize Bitcoin users, which allows to link user pseudonyms to the IP addresses where the transactions are generated. Our techniques work for the most common and the most challenging scenario when users are behind NATs or firewalls of their ISPs. They allow to link transactions of a user behind a NAT and to distinguish connections and transactions of different users behind the same
14:50 mircea_popescu NAT. We also show that a natural countermeasure of using Tor or other anonymity services can be cut-off by abusing anti-DoS countermeasures of the bitcoin network. Our attacks require only a few machines and have been experimentally verified. We propose several countermeasures to mitigate these new attacks.
14:51 mircea_popescu anyone bother actually read the pdf accompanying these tall claims ?
14:51 cazalla fluffypony, the new male lead is no ian malcolm either
14:51 adlai ( http://arxiv.org/pdf/1405.7418.pdf )
14:51 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1vjZ4XQ )
14:51 fluffypony yerp
14:53 cazalla BingoBoingo, hopefully it gets more traction in aus IT press, they love stuff stories like this
14:53 mircea_popescu "a method for revealing IP addresses of Bitcoin wallet owners with success rate between 11\% and 60\%." ugh. my interest died.
14:55 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: My take on it is if you connect to enough nodes, you can probably tell which one prodcasted a transaction first, sometimes.
14:55 mircea_popescu so ?
14:56 BingoBoingo Amazing the rather abvious shit people pass off as "research"
14:56 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
14:56 mircea_popescu let me guess, 11 to 60% of times, where 40% is arbitrarily defined as equal to "those cases where users use private connect lists"
14:56 mircea_popescu derpity derp.
14:58 mircea_popescu in the same line, here's this extraspecial pair of glasses which removes clothes off women
14:58 mircea_popescu success rate ? about 11 to 60% of cases where woman splays herself naked on display.
14:58 mircea_popescu le win.
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15:20 cazalla oh look at that, cointelegraph linking to qntra now as well
15:20 cazalla http://cointelegraph.com/news/112988/if-you-bought-from-silk-road-coinalytics-may-have-you-mapped
15:20 assbot If You Bought From Silk Road, Coinalytics May Have You Mapped ... ( http://bit.ly/1uCHfyb )
15:25 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#922794 < no, he just humble.
15:25 assbot Logged on 15-11-2014 00:56:46; Adlai: assbot is immune to suicidal depression, because it doesn't even know it exists
15:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24231 @ 0.00039922 = 9.6735 BTC [-] {3}
15:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 144 @ 0.01115126 = 1.6058 BTC [-]
15:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10656 @ 0.00039563 = 4.2158 BTC [-]
15:48 kakobrekla bash flushed
15:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11419 @ 0.00039849 = 4.5504 BTC [+]
16:05 asciilifeform 'de-anonymization' paper << mega-snore.
16:06 asciilifeform in other news: usg's oceanic fiber tap catalogue apparently leaked.
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16:25 BingoBoingo O.o https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=855130.0
16:25 assbot 2014 Proof of Honor (POH) Awards - Official Voting begins December 1st (12/1)! ... ( http://bit.ly/15qmT6H )
16:32 asciilifeform http://rachelbythebay.com/w/2013/02/22/mac
16:32 assbot I mortgaged my future with a Mac ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTADjh )
16:33 mats_cd03 16:06:20 <+asciilifeform> in other news: usg's oceanic fiber tap catalogue apparently leaked. << link?
16:34 asciilifeform mats_cd03: buncha pdf turds on 'cryptome'
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16:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46136 @ 0.00041169 = 18.9937 BTC [+] {3}
16:57 BingoBoingo asciilifeform may have been on to something http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/11/25/school-board-member-we-have-prepared-our-students-to-protest-in-ferguson/
16:57 assbot School Board Member: ‘We Have Prepared Our Students’ to Protest in Ferguson « CBS St. Louis ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cc93Uc )
17:11 BingoBoingo !up babbys_first_bit
17:11 BingoBoingo Hello babbys_first_bit
17:11 babbys_first_bit hi
17:11 BingoBoingo What brings you around these parts
17:11 babbys_first_bit trilema and the convalex
17:12 babbys_first_bit contravex
17:12 BingoBoingo Cool
17:13 babbys_first_bit reddit is cancer and bitcointalk is semi-cancerous
17:14 BingoBoingo More Tor Drama: https://twitter.com/Anonyzation/status/537185269011587072 http://dpaste.com/2BRBXP7
17:14 assbot Why is /puellavulnerata's account all locked up? /hashtag/tor?src=hashcc /yashalevine /paulcarr
17:14 assbot dpaste: 2BRBXP7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1y9KFgO )
17:14 BingoBoingo Indeed, chemo needed
17:14 BingoBoingo Atm though I think bitcointalk's cancer is probably more terminal
17:15 The20YearIRCloud Well, today we closed on another loan, putting the company back to a state with plenty o extra cash laying around.
17:18 babbys_first_bit anyway
17:18 babbys_first_bit these sub 400 coins, they're cheap right
17:18 BingoBoingo Probably
17:19 BingoBoingo Just make sure you can actually move them to an address you have sole control over
17:19 babbys_first_bit I've migrated from bitcoin core to Armory
17:19 babbys_first_bit i have a shitty laptop that I've devoted to my cold storage, disabled wifi etc
17:21 babbys_first_bit Those paper wallet backups I made, if someone were to get a hold of them , and somehow know what they meant, could they steal my coins, or would they need my password?
17:22 BingoBoingo That's a very good queston. Haven't used Armory in years
17:23 BingoBoingo I instead [censored] my [censored][censored] with [censored][censored][censored] under a [censored] mountain
17:23 mike_c babbys_first_bit: the paper wallet gives access to coins sans password.
17:25 babbys_first_bit I find it kind of odd how I'd need to use a USB stick combined with accessing my offline laptop with the password before I can send coins, yet if someone were to get my paper wallet and knew what those four letter words meant, they suddenly have the keys to the kingdom
17:25 mike_c it's kinda the point
17:25 mike_c if that bothers you, encrypt the paper wallet and then print it out.
17:27 mike_c or ask BingoBoingo to stick it in his mountain.
17:27 assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3MPWE2S.txt )
17:27 BingoBoingo !b 4
17:28 babbys_first_bit I suppose unless I go around telling people IRL i've got a paper backup with my bitcoin wealth tied to it, nobody who happened to find it would even know what it meant. It's not like i wrote "ARMORY BACKUP FOR EXTREME BITCOIN WEALTH" on the backup
17:30 BingoBoingo How do you know for sure you already didn't?
17:31 babbys_first_bit i do tend to get falling down drunk on occasion
17:31 babbys_first_bit i've hidden in a pretty gud place
17:32 babbys_first_bit hidden it
17:32 babbys_first_bit i dont hide myself
17:38 BingoBoingo But with yourself and a soldering iron someone might extract the paper's location
17:39 babbys_first_bit torture me?
17:39 BingoBoingo Sure, someone could.
17:39 BingoBoingo They insert soldering iron into a convenient opening and wait for it to heat up
17:40 babbys_first_bit i think they'd go after the winkvoss twins bfore me
17:40 mats_cd03 uh, ok
17:41 babbys_first_bit what's your excuse for not owning 1% of all bitcoins
17:41 BingoBoingo But there's two of them and they are in shape from all of that rowing at indistinguishable northeastern school. You on the other hand have baby in your IRC nick and infants suck at avoiding abduction.
17:41 mats_cd03 a dubious claim
17:43 BingoBoingo !up babbys_first_bit
17:43 babbys_first_bit what happens to the channel if you automatically get to speak upon arrival
17:44 BingoBoingo babbys_first_bit: Voice instructions http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
17:44 assbot #bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model ... ( http://bit.ly/1xYGx5y )
17:45 babbys_first_bit hmm ok
17:46 babbys_first_bit so that fat fucker from mt. gox, do u think he stole everyones coins or were they just "lost"
17:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00040665 = 12.3622 BTC [-]
17:51 BingoBoingo He prolly ate them. Maybe Jed from Ripple/Stellar/WTFBBQ stole them after he sold Gox to Karpeles. hard to know.
17:52 babbys_first_bit is blockchain.info the only online wallet where the website owners can't just run off with my coins
17:53 dignork babbys_first_bit: they can.
17:53 BingoBoingo There's ways they can run off with coins too
17:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00041847 = 8.9762 BTC [+] {2}
17:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3802 @ 0.00041705 = 1.5856 BTC [-]
17:55 dignork babbys_first_bit: and if you insist on comparing bad ideas, greenaddress is somewhat better.
18:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35706 @ 0.00040111 = 14.322 BTC [-] {2}
18:08 babbys_first_bit how many bitcoins will i need today to be a millionaire in 10 yrs
18:10 kakobrekla ill tell you for a buttcoin.
18:11 babbys_first_bit Why haven't the devs or the general userbase demanded we switch from BTC to micro BTC or whatever
18:12 kakobrekla !down babbys_first_bit
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18:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20962 @ 0.00039415 = 8.2622 BTC [-] {2}
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18:56 Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC to reach $5000 or higher in Q2 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1071/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 10(Y):90(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.821 BTC. Current weight: 92,629.
18:56 asciilifeform http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/11/25/russian-official-ferguson-highlights-serious-challenges-to-the-american-society-and-its-stability << linked from BingoBoingo's link
18:56 assbot Russian Official: Ferguson Highlights ‘Serious Challenges to American Society and its Stability’ « CBS St. Louis ... ( http://bit.ly/1vLpenU )
18:56 asciilifeform ^ these folks need to invoice moscow for their orlov cheques.
18:58 Apocalyptic asciilifeform, has it been established Mr. O is paid by Moscow btw ?
18:58 asciilifeform Apocalyptic: lol, no
18:58 asciilifeform Apocalyptic: but mircea_popescu once confessed that he suspected.
18:59 Apocalyptic I was kind of wondering about it recently, it could make sense
19:03 asciilifeform re: discussion of paper wallets: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2014#817461
19:03 assbot Logged on 31-08-2014 18:52:01; asciilifeform: so, formula is: 'don't own. if you own, don't admit it. if you admit it, don't write about it. if you own and admit and write, don't sign your name. if you own, admit, write, and sign name, don't be surprised.' (apologies to rev. t. reese.)
19:04 kakobrekla based also iirc.
19:08 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: tor drama << i don't get it. what, exactly, was the linked thing about ?
19:08 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: One of the tor devs drawing their USG funded paychecks was an operator of one of the "Anonymous" movement twitter accounts
19:09 asciilifeform lol
19:09 Apocalyptic heh
19:09 asciilifeform this surprised - whom ?
19:09 BingoBoingo This surprised, I guess the small number of anons who might not be from USG's vegetable garden
19:09 asciilifeform tor project funding wasn't secret, either
19:11 asciilifeform it was (originally - and semi-publicly) spun as a 'our spies need to do their thing under the cloak of a river of shit traffic so here's this free service' gizmo
19:11 BingoBoingo Sure, but the Tor people hate bringing that up.
19:11 asciilifeform then rebranded as a u.s. dept. of state 'dissidents need to plan their glorious democratic multi-coloured revolutions without interference from cruel orcish gestapos' gizmo.
19:12 * BingoBoingo suspects .ru darknet markets survive because USG figures russian drugs are russia's problem.
19:12 asciilifeform usg ships afghani opium directly into ru.
19:13 asciilifeform fought a war partly to make this easier.
19:13 BingoBoingo Sure, they ship Afghani opium pretty much everywhere for refinement into heroin.
19:14 BingoBoingo CIA only hated Pablo Escobar because he was competition
19:15 asciilifeform at no point may the orcs have a leader who is not an active muppet.
19:15 * BingoBoingo under the impression USG uses drug money to fund all of its porcelain as opposed to golden toilets
19:15 asciilifeform this is a top reptilian priority.
19:20 BingoBoingo The big question this week is will the Bird that weighs 11 kilos clean and dressed thaw adequately by Thursday Morning.
19:29 gernika May I ask where the reptilian reference comes from? (lizard hitler, et. al) I see some references to Hitler being a Lizard Alien Being on google, but nothing beyond a literal interpretation of that.
19:30 asciilifeform !s lizard hitler
19:30 assbot 23 results for 'lizard hitler' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=lizard+hitler
19:30 asciilifeform comes from an infamous crackpot whose name i've forgotten, who wrote a lengthy treatise on how planet has been secretly ruled by lizard-like aliens since time immemorial
19:31 gernika Wonder if that's what inspired V.
19:32 asciilifeform v?
19:32 BingoBoingo I suspect actual alien influencers would be avian
19:32 gernika Seemed to have a lot of references to the Nazis. 80s made for TV series in which lizards disguised as humanoids invade the planet.
19:33 gernika https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_%281983_miniseries%29
19:33 assbot V (1983 miniseries) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1zs7H1T )
19:33 asciilifeform BingoBoingo, other vintage hardware aficionados: http://www.ebay.com/itm/VERY-RARE-FERRITE-CORE-PLANE-MEMORY-4Pcs-BOARD-USSR-MILITARY-AVIATION-AIR-FORCE-/251698367737?pt=US_Vintage_Computers_Mainframes&hash=item3a9a644cf9
19:33 assbot Very RARE Ferrite Core Plane Memory 4pcs Board USSR Military Aviation Air Force | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1zs7Hia )
19:33 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Yes,a tv show. Reptilians in government was actual US pop culture artifact
19:33 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: note the ics -and- ferrite combo.
19:34 BingoBoingo Beautiful pictures.
19:35 asciilifeform in usa, ferrite core memory was also manufactured well into the ic age
19:35 asciilifeform why? because persistent.
19:35 gernika There was even gassing of dissidents.
19:35 asciilifeform and far more durable than spinning disk.
19:36 * BingoBoingo would kind of like the rest of the plane too...
19:36 asciilifeform (eeprom with blockwise electrical erasure did not exist en masse until mid-80s)
19:38 asciilifeform if BingoBoingo like ancient russian airplanes, he should get in touch with city hall in timisoara
19:38 asciilifeform there is a titanic pile of them at the little airport there.
19:38 asciilifeform literally, piles
19:39 asciilifeform seems possible that they might agree to part with them for price of scrap, if you arrange transportation.
19:39 BingoBoingo I might have to make a trip there when I can convert BTC to pallets of local scrip
19:39 asciilifeform incidentally, you can see some of these planes from 'google maps'
19:39 asciilifeform they sit in open air, rusting.
19:40 BingoBoingo Also might be fun to rent a hangar and extract them of their own power.
19:40 asciilifeform https://www.google.com/maps/place/RoAF+93rd+Air+Base/@45.8063192,21.3396019,1645m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x4745615425540145:0x692938564f322ef8
19:40 assbot Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1zs93tw )
19:40 BingoBoingo Dunno how many rusting planes it will take to convert to flying plane though
19:41 asciilifeform ru-made interceptors though.
19:41 asciilifeform won't be crossing any oceans.
19:42 danielpbarron 07:29 <+gernika> May I ask where the reptilian reference comes from? << probably from david icke
19:42 asciilifeform aha yes that was him.
19:42 BingoBoingo Ah, so too heavy/long to land on aircraft carrier
19:43 asciilifeform really, the quintessential specialist's toy.
19:44 BingoBoingo So, you suspect they wouldn't be useful for liberating Rhodesia?
19:44 gernika danielpbarron: thanks
19:44 asciilifeform with engine MTBF measured in tens of hours - doubtful.
19:45 BingoBoingo Ah, shame
19:46 asciilifeform have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it.
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19:46 asciilifeform much like your finger cannot function for long or very usefully unless attached to the rest of you
19:47 asciilifeform as i understand, this is why countries that inherited, bought, stole, etc. some xxx quantity of soviet aircraft yy years ago, tend to fly some small handful z of them at a time
19:47 asciilifeform the rest - are kept in parts graveyards.
19:48 asciilifeform a greybeard and squad of monkeys parts them out, maintaining the handful in some semblance of working order.
19:48 * asciilifeform not involved in this profession in any capacity, knows from thirdhand sources.
19:49 BingoBoingo I thought generally that's how jet fighters work everywhere. Hundreds of planes maybe tens available at any given time if lucky
19:49 asciilifeform only when collapse.
19:50 asciilifeform think of a taxi or bus park. there's usually a handful of disabled vehicles, but they either await the scrapyard or a shipment of parts, given as the latter can be had
19:50 asciilifeform but what if they cannot be had.
19:51 asciilifeform then the situation is reversed - handful of working items, large and sometimes well-guarded lot of cannibalism
19:51 BingoBoingo I thought even US aircraft now are just parts waiting to be consumed by their brothers and sisters
19:51 asciilifeform if this is not yet, then only a matter of time.
19:52 BingoBoingo Maybe not for all aircraft, but it seems the case for the ones the empire uses with regularity in anger
19:53 asciilifeform interceptors and fighting jets in general are a special case of 'cold war' hardware, in that they were never expected to last.
19:53 asciilifeform repairable - yes (at least in ru schools of design). durable - no.
19:54 asciilifeform phun phact. you can download the repair manuals for most of the 'mig' machines.
19:54 asciilifeform why is another question. but - there they are.
19:55 dub I think my body is burning out
19:56 dub brain seems mostly ok with long term sleep deprivation, body taking it harder
19:57 dub some kind of pre-diabetes thing goiing on with suddenly running out of blood sugar
19:57 undata so uh... go to bed?
19:58 dub and muscle cramps worse than anything I've had
19:58 * BingoBoingo pretty sure body needs sleep more than brain
19:58 BingoBoingo dub: Eat banana, take diphenhydramine, go the fuck to sleep
19:59 asciilifeform diphenhydramine << iirc, snips off stage 4. no thx
19:59 undata dub: for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E--R1n3O_m4
19:59 assbot Go The Fuck To Sleep - Narrated by Samuel L. Jackson - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zscMqY )
19:59 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Varies from person to person.
20:00 dub soft tissue recovery slow as fuck too
20:00 asciilifeform http://international.sueddeutsche.de/post/103543418200/snowden-leaks-how-vodafone-subsidiary-cable << more re: fiber taps
20:00 assbot International - Snowden-Leaks: How Vodafone-Subsidiary Cable & Wireless Aided GCHQ’s Spying Efforts ... ( http://bit.ly/1zsd019 )
20:00 dub wake up screaming with cramp in calf, still sore month later
20:01 undata dub: why are you still complaining about this?
20:02 * dub was in a rather large room full of taps this morning
20:02 undata want someone to actually come over there and tuck you in? go to sleep
20:02 dub its ok undata, I will sleep next month
20:02 dub from the 10th or so
20:02 undata dub: farming pitty in the meanwhile?
20:02 undata *pity
20:03 dub yes, pity
20:03 dub from #b-a
20:03 asciilifeform dub is in... war zone? programmer's death march? or where? why no sleep
20:03 BingoBoingo Honestly after last week's broken dick hard to farm pity for health reasons for a while
20:03 * undata guesses #2
20:03 undata BingoBoingo: who broke their dick?
20:03 * undata checks logs
20:03 BingoBoingo undata: Xanthyos
20:03 dub buddy of mine broke his dick, no joke
20:03 BingoBoingo !s disfigured
20:03 assbot 1 results for 'disfigured' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=disfigured
20:04 BingoBoingo !s fracture
20:04 assbot 28 results for 'fracture' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=fracture
20:04 asciilifeform !s but with meat we fell behind
20:04 assbot 0 results for 'but with meat we fell behind' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=but+with+meat+we+fell+behind
20:04 dub asciilifeform: overkommitment
20:04 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2014#641294
20:04 assbot Logged on 24-04-2014 23:07:06; asciilifeform: 'when it comes to milk, we're even with america, at last; as for meat, they're still the leader - our bull broke his cock, alas.'
20:04 undata "xanthyos: they won't even see me because i called the dr a faggot" << winrar right here
20:05 undata I'm also rating the likelihood that this is true at 0.001%
20:06 undata "xanthyos: i act and speak with total sincerity at all times" << pfffff
20:08 dub dick break is apparently not that uncommon but limited to a subset of men
20:08 dub the big dick having set
20:09 asciilifeform the power tool fucking set ?
20:10 undata asciilifeform: or people that think positions seen in porn are enjoyable for anyone who isn't a camera
20:10 dub missionary in my friends case
20:11 asciilifeform reminds of ilkka kokkarinen's 'alien problems':
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20:11 asciilifeform 'I’d like to see one expression coined by the poker writer Matt Matros become common parlance, since it applies far more widely than only to poker. An “alien problem” means some problem that might be fun, interesting and educational to analyze, and it would be really important to know the solution if you ever found yourself in that situation, but the point is that you shouldn't even be having that problem in the first pl
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20:11 asciilifeform ace, because it can only have resulted from you having made choices that are obviously wrong and easily avoidable. At the poker table, the description of an alien problem might begin “So I called a raise and re-raise preflop from the small blind with my jack-three offsuit...” Say no more. Don’t call a raise and re-raise from the small blind when you have nothing but a measly jack-three offsuit, and you won’t have to th
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20:11 asciilifeform ink about how to get out of problems like that. Outside the poker table, consider any problem that starts with the words “So, I have been having a steamy secret affair with the wife of this violent mob boss, and now she...”'
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20:11 BingoBoingo It's in the log, he did a persian penis trick compulsively to quash his boners, and this time it went wrong
20:13 undata pics or gtfo
20:13 undata gpg signed
20:13 danielpbarron he put the pics on twitter, but it's a private account
20:15 undata bah! hearsay!
20:15 dub the break happened in another buddy of mine, her telling it was standard drunken missionary. Loud snap, deformation, severe bruising, hospital visit, months of rehab
20:16 undata dub: am I supposed to believe every joker that claims he broke his dick? standards, man.
20:17 danielpbarron months??
20:17 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: re: historic hardware: ever own a 'ibm workpad z50' ?
20:18 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I've never had that experience.
20:18 dub danielpbarron: never torn a uscle?
20:18 dub muscle*
20:18 danielpbarron i guess not
20:18 danielpbarron never had months of rehab
20:18 danielpbarron and i had my appendix rupture
20:18 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: odd little bugger. the usual nice 'thinkpad' keyboard, but inside - a 'mips' cpu. normally ran embedded winblows (yes, for mips!) from 16m rom. but easily hackable to use netbsd or linux.
20:18 dub lucky you
20:19 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ~1kg weight, iirc. no built-in networking.
20:19 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: also notable for the option of running on 'aa' batteries.
20:20 dub undata: because I care http://www.the-bent-penis-website.com/broken-penis.html
20:20 assbot Do I Have a Broken Penis? ... ( http://bit.ly/1zsgErV )
20:20 dub fuck that I cant even read that
20:22 undata dub: I know it's a thing
20:24 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://www.mars.dti.ne.jp/~ayase/tp/wpz50.htm << rom on 3rd photo from bottom
20:24 assbot 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1zshuF8 )
20:25 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://djbnetbsd.drivehq.com/PC/NetBSD/Z50/index.html << netbsd on that machine.
20:31 BingoBoingo Interesting. Might have to play with one some day. Probably worth it to keep one on hand because of the AA batteries deal
20:32 decimation asciilifeform: did you ever play with an hp 200lx?
20:32 asciilifeform decimation: yes. sold it many years ago though. terrible keyboard.
20:32 decimation I remember back when my best portable computer was an hp-48
20:33 decimation I think the 200lx had a similar 'chiclet' keyboard
20:33 * BingoBoingo about to order yet another replacement fan for X120e, doesn't trust the latest offering the Chicoms on Ebay shipped
20:35 decimation asciilifeform: apparently the lady whose website you linked has an apco project 25 decoding system http://scanner.rachelbythebay.com/
20:35 assbot Super Trunking Scanner ... ( http://bit.ly/1zsj0qE )
20:35 asciilifeform aha.
20:35 decimation or at least, wrapped someone else's
20:35 asciilifeform many good essays in there, too.
20:35 decimation apparently they implemented the 'tdma' version too, which allows a single 12 khz channel to be timeshared with two radios
20:36 decimation because the FCC demanded that all these incumbant users reduce their bandwidth
20:37 decimation another amusing post by the friendly nydwracu: http://nithgrim.wordpress.com/2014/10/21/the-web-of-dependency/
20:37 assbot The web of dependency | nydwracu niþgrim, nihtbealwa mæst ... ( http://bit.ly/1zsjhdc )
20:37 decimation "“In practice, technologies will be used by control systems to maintain their power and stability.” People subject themselves to the control system for some perceived (and perhaps even real) benefit, and then get bitten by the tradeoffs."
20:37 asciilifeform (not a misprint! there were once intelligent, educated woman programmers in usa. but when the profession became 'blue collar' - akin to, e.g., cement mixer operator - they mostly disappeared.)
20:38 decimation yeah there were many women in cs in the 80's
20:38 asciilifeform not even talking about academiwank
20:39 asciilifeform i have, for instance, 'programmer's guide to CLOS [common lisp object system]' on my shelf, by one sonya keene.
20:39 asciilifeform it was a good book.
20:40 asciilifeform 'As long as genetic modification is being done primarily by big agribusiness, plants will be altered to make them more compatible with central control of the food supply.'
20:40 decimation yeah she has an interesting post related to this point: http://rachelbythebay.com/w/2011/06/04/fireandforget/ << "When pressed for details, this individual thought for a while and then said that he expects such people to be "fire and forget". In other words, you send them off and they get stuff done."
20:40 assbot Fire and forget, or sexism in software engineering ... ( http://bit.ly/1zsjYDu )
20:40 asciilifeform we did this one here.
20:41 asciilifeform (re: plants)
20:41 decimation yeah, many conversations here have parallels with his thoughts
20:41 asciilifeform !s monsanto
20:41 assbot 42 results for 'monsanto' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=monsanto
20:41 asciilifeform ^ these.
20:42 decimation in the comments he makes a useful summary: "Control toward reduction of violence, protection of property rights, etc. is good, because the consequences are good on net; you can’t have a civilized society when everyone is killing each other and looting the corpses. Progressive control is bad, because civilization is incompatible with progressivism, so folk culture should be protected against mass culture."
20:42 asciilifeform but must not forget - things which cannot defend themselves - die.
20:43 decimation well, so when it's 'easier' to sit down and eat a tv movie while having your brain manipulated by the tv, it's good to know why
20:43 asciilifeform eventually - somehow - the hunter makes his way to the island of delicious flightless birds.
20:43 asciilifeform or 'flightless' people.
20:44 undata "I'm not going to be suppressed anymore" YOU HEAR THAT DAD?!
20:44 decimation "The seductive appeal of such things was nearly irresistible, for each of these items can make a quantum improvement in a sylvan lifestyle. Acquisition of several or all of these goods is a transformative experience that makes contact essentially irreversible."
20:46 undata I have a hard time processing how telling your underling to maximize thinking for him/herself is suppression
20:46 undata -or- "stop talking about how shitty the code is and get it fixed"
20:47 undata I loathe working with people who bitch about how bad the codebase that is ostensibly their "work" is
20:48 decimation undata: I think it illustrates the 'people are replaceable parts' attitude common in 'tech industry'
20:52 undata decimation: sure, but in the case above the worker could actually be over-communicating
20:52 undata which runs counter to the point of hiring her
20:53 undata if the boss has to check off every single decision she's going to make, why doesn't he just move her out of the way? at that point she's just a really slow intermediary
20:55 decimation in practice, I've found that kind of attitude to result in workarounds on top of workarounds, because of the lack of coordination
20:56 asciilifeform the layers workarounds happen regardless - because how could there possibly be coordination with previous programmers
20:56 asciilifeform (i.e. those who built the layers of crud tortoises on which the elephants stand)
20:57 decimation asciilifeform: so would it be better for the elephant-builders to take note of the shit foundation upon which they work, or simply 'get things done' new jersey style?
20:57 asciilifeform this is why the only extant computerized gadgets that aren't total crud were built from, or virtually from, the ground up.
20:58 asciilifeform decimation: the ultimate, inescapable fact is that most of the products don't need to exist at all.
20:59 asciilifeform that in that world, we might all be doing (horror!) honest work (e.g., http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/141698.jpg ) - such is life.
20:59 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zsnHAL )
20:59 undata decimation: dunno, I'm on the other end, and despise people who over-rely on authority to think
20:59 undata likely the situation was somewhere in the middle
21:00 undata some software projects are irredeemably fucked, and maybe the boss didn't want to hear that
21:02 asciilifeform where's that mircea_popescu article re: how the average plebe has no business pretending to run a computer.
21:07 ben_vulpes good god
21:07 ben_vulpes so many riot geared cops out tonight
21:07 ben_vulpes all the fuck over, too
21:09 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: In your yard???
21:09 ben_vulpes "little beirut"
21:10 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: this afternoon i saw a jeep 'truck' and chrysler 'minivan' block traffic on burnside for no reason. two vehicles, completely unmarked, pulled out into traffic, turned on head/taillight mars signallers, blocked the street for two full minutes, then turned said lights off and peeled off
21:10 ben_vulpes i also saw a van with outriggers packed with riot-geared cops
21:10 undata that makes me want to go drive around
21:10 ben_vulpes you crazy, mang.
21:11 ben_vulpes i'm staying way the fuck out of their way.
21:11 undata surely nothing too nutso is going on downtown?
21:11 undata just people marching?
21:11 ben_vulpes nominally 1k humans derping around
21:11 undata that'll show 'em
21:11 BingoBoingo "Guard Busses are not to be used to block traffic"
21:11 ben_vulpes undata: let's stay in and drink
21:11 asciilifeform https://twitter.com/search?v=stream&q=%23OCCUPYSTAMP&src=hash&mode=photos
21:11 assbot #OCCUPYSTAMP - Twitter Photos Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1zspVQP )
21:11 ben_vulpes lady v's making pies with my younger brother tonight and i don't want to be around for it
21:11 BingoBoingo Just turned on http://www.ustream.tv/channel/st-louis-county-police-scanner sounds interesting already
21:11 assbot St. Louis County Police Scanner on USTREAM: This is an audio stream of the St. Louis County Police scanners.Ferguson PDRIOT-ARIOT-BRIOT-CRIOT-DRIOT-E... ... ( http://bit.ly/1zspWnS )
21:12 undata ben_vulpes: can't drink tonight; I'm rolling out updates this evening
21:12 ben_vulpes stop working
21:12 ben_vulpes it's 6:15
21:12 asciilifeform at umd, 'student union' (large bldg full of restaurants) is full of pr0t3st3rs
21:12 ben_vulpes no deploys after 3pm or on friday
21:12 asciilifeform 'While we're hurting, we want to be very visible.'
21:12 asciilifeform 'People continued to sit and eat. So we took away their seats.'
21:13 asciilifeform 'This is what being apart of something bigger than yourself looks and feels like' << mega-lol!
21:14 undata ben_vulpes: maybe in a bit; lets see if I don't screw everything up
21:14 ben_vulpes you won't
21:14 ben_vulpes if you do, you should license my hairball
21:15 asciilifeform '"Hands up, don't shoot" #OccupyStamp ” the one girl on her phone at the table, different beliefs?'
21:15 asciilifeform oh noez, a wrecker!
21:17 BingoBoingo Map of last night's fires https://mapsengine.google.com/map/embed?mid=zSFWwiGyTGoo.k7ELQgmZ3bsA
21:17 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zsqQRg )
21:18 asciilifeform http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/11/the-only-way-to-stop-empire.html << does not disappoint loltron
21:18 assbot ClubOrlov: The Only Way to Stop the Empire ... ( http://bit.ly/1zsr3nA )
21:21 asciilifeform ^ mr. o actually calling for 'tax revolt'
21:22 asciilifeform imho this clinches the moscow hypothesis.
21:22 asciilifeform not even a down's syndrome case would post this from u.s. soil.
21:23 asciilifeform scratch that.
21:23 asciilifeform guest article.
21:24 asciilifeform real question is whether mr o actually drinks the 'kool aid' re: riots being 'popular anger', or merely pretends to.
21:30 decimation asciilifeform: what amazes me is why a tax revolt hasn't happened yet
21:30 decimation how does usg so utterly dominate the masses?
21:31 BingoBoingo Something SOmething 4 victims
21:33 decimation BingoBoingo: it would be useful if someone had a copy of rachel by the bay's apco-25 widget running there
21:33 BingoBoingo decimation: Getting within range to do that seems precarious
21:34 decimation nah, that stuff is repeated over multiple high repeater towers typically
21:35 BingoBoingo decimation: You have to understand I am safely on the other side of the Mississippi and would rather stay here atm.
21:36 decimation BingoBoingo: within 10-20 miles should be easy range
21:37 asciilifeform even if you could decode - what do you expect to find?
21:37 asciilifeform of interest, that is
21:38 BingoBoingo decimation: But if I go closer than my present 30 miles... I face the possibility of encountering either police or protesters
21:38 decimation well, typically the feed that is being relayed on those websites comes from a 'track-tracker' scanner
21:38 decimation which can usually only either receive the control channel or a data channel at any one time
21:38 asciilifeform why a tax revolt hasn't happened yet: usg has old, reliable, well-oiled mechanisms for dealing with folks who didn't pay.
21:38 decimation thus, one would miss conversations of potential interest
21:39 decimation asciilifeform: yeah, that plus usg has generally used the power of printed dollars to make it such that most people don't pay taxes, making compliance a non-issue
21:39 asciilifeform re: radio: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-11-2014#933930 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-11-2014#933935
21:39 assbot Logged on 25-11-2014 03:23:38; asciilifeform: the folks who care about intercept of grunt radios - are concerned with tactic, not strategy.
21:39 assbot Logged on 25-11-2014 03:23:50; asciilifeform: that is, the immediate question of whether 'they' are on the way to your sector.
21:39 asciilifeform don't expect to find 'juicy' conversation.
21:39 decimation asciilifeform: nah, just soap-opera stuff
21:40 asciilifeform not even.
21:40 decimation actually because of police encryption, the fire dept. is more interesting
21:40 asciilifeform mostly 'robot' commands.
21:40 asciilifeform e.g., #x-yy at quadrant q.
21:40 decimation many fire departments have resisted adopting the pure-digital radios
21:40 asciilifeform what i'm saying is that even if one could decrypt the whole lot, it is rarely of interest
21:40 asciilifeform unless you're actively engaged
21:41 decimation because the shitty codec (made by a proprietary chip company called dvsi) sounds even more shitty while wearing oxygen mask
21:41 decimation asciilifeform: yeah, it would really only be of interest to someone who is interesting to the police
21:41 BingoBoingo <decimation> many fire departments have resisted adopting the pure-digital radios << Many firefighters/EMS prefer being able to use personally acquired radios
21:41 asciilifeform police, incidentally, are the accomplished masters of 'need to know'
21:41 decimation otherwise it's kind of an old-man hobby
21:41 asciilifeform that is, grunt blocking off a street in dc, typically is telling the truth when says he doesn't know why
21:42 decimation firefighters want the old full fm analog system, without compression
21:42 decimation because when you want help in burning wearing a mask, you don't want to save bandwidth
21:42 BingoBoingo "EMS is en route for child with a fever"
21:43 BingoBoingo decimation: I know here firefighters prefer analog for "intelligible range" of transmissions
21:43 decimation asciilifeform: wrt police need to know < I think there is some credibility to Mr. Y's thinking that urban police 'bridge the gap' between crazy usg policy and reality
21:43 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: graceful degradation, yes.
21:43 decimation right, the other problem with digital schemes is that they tend to work well down to a low SNR, and then utterly fail
21:44 decimation whereas FM might drop out for a few microseconds and one wouldn't notice
21:44 asciilifeform this behaviour is achievable on digital using error codes (e.g., trellis) but this - afaik - is not done in p25.
21:44 decimation this is one reason why aircraft still use AM modulation
21:44 decimation asciilifeform: yes, but that just pushes the 'wall' lower and makes it steeper
21:45 decimation plus it implies memory in the system, which implies re-acquisition time
21:45 decimation unlike FM, two people can 'speak' on AM radio simultaneously while being simultaneously intelligible to a third party
21:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54550 @ 0.00040453 = 22.0671 BTC [+] {2}
21:46 decimation typical FM receivers 'pick' the strongest signal upon which to lock their PLL and thus capture the full output. One can experience this with FM broadcast radio in the car, as you are on the edge of a station's coverage - you hear 'flutter' as your radio switches between two stations
21:47 asciilifeform at any rate, anyone who isn't an active participant in the events, and expects to hear some 'interesting' secret over radio - will be disappointed.
21:47 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Locally vehicle fitted with crazy antennas is one of firefighter or TempleOS app developer. Feds nevar have cool visible antennas
21:47 decimation asciilifeform: I tend to agree. Did you see that USG banned flying over st. louis? For your safety.
21:47 asciilifeform lol
21:47 BingoBoingo decimation: Not over all of St Louis
21:47 asciilifeform fire zone.
21:48 decimation that's the ostensible reason
21:48 asciilifeform usg choppers were supposedly fired upon during 'katrina'
21:49 asciilifeform (i once spoke with a police chopper man during a local 'show & tell', asked about armour. he answered 'you gotta be kidding')
21:49 decimation heh yeah too much weight for one thing
21:49 decimation I don't think most us mil helicopters are armoured
21:50 undata the no-fly thing reminds me of Joe Stack
21:50 undata the guy that flew a plane into a TX IRS building
21:50 asciilifeform no worries, the coming national gendarmerie will have 'apache'.
21:50 undata too bad his manifesto was distinctly commie
21:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 104 @ 0.01115126 = 1.1597 BTC [-]
21:51 decimation the only armored aircraft I know usg flies is the A-10, and they are trying to get rid of them
21:51 decimation apaches might have some too
21:51 asciilifeform don't need elaborate armour against civilian small arms.
21:51 BingoBoingo part of the traffic they stopped Yesterday in Stl County were passenger Jumbo Jets
21:52 decimation generally commercial passenger jets are exempt
21:52 BingoBoingo Because where runway is aimed, goes over Ferguson
21:52 asciilifeform afaik no one has yet seen it fit to supply the pr0t3st3rs with heavier arms
21:52 asciilifeform if moscow has a lick of sense - this is being worked on, there.
21:53 asciilifeform all they'd need to do is tip off the right folks re: where the caches are.
21:53 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Someone is prolly going through file cabinets in Moscow to find Stl metro stockpiles
21:53 asciilifeform and how to open them without setting off the mine.
21:53 decimation heh
21:54 decimation it looks like they lifted the flight restriction in question
21:55 decimation http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/st-louis-county-police-ferguson-no-fly-zone-was-for/article_76a8ece7-f9de-5fb2-bcf4-9a79422b4f01.html
21:55 assbot St. Louis County police: Ferguson no-fly zone was for safety, not to keep media away : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1xZmCUa )
21:57 decimation "“There is really ... no option for a TFR that says, you know, ‘OK, everybody but the media is OK,’ ” he said. The managers then worked out wording they thought would keep news helicopters out of the controlled zone but not impede other air traffic."
21:57 decimation of course the carbinari would control air traffic FOR YOUR SAFETY
21:57 BingoBoingo decimation: I wouldn't be surprised if that status is in flux. The way Lambert Intl's runways are set... peace in Ferguson is almsot a pre-requisite for safe departures
21:57 decimation BingoBoingo: unless winds are bad, most airports have multiple runways
21:58 ben_vulpes ;;seen PinkPosixPXE
21:58 gribble PinkPosixPXE was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 2 days, 15 hours, 40 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <PinkPosixPXE> ;;gpg info adlai
21:58 ben_vulpes ;;later tell PinkPosixPXE hey friend got a minute?
21:58 gribble The operation succeeded.
21:58 BingoBoingo decimation: Sure, but not all the same length and too frequently in the same orientation
21:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1585 @ 0.00124895 = 1.9796 BTC [-]
22:00 decimation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIuS4qx9WE4
22:00 assbot Shortest runway in the world? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1xCPbl9 )
22:02 ben_vulpes ;;seen punkman
22:02 gribble punkman was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 18 hours, 25 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <punkman> https://fuzzing-project.org/software.html
22:02 ben_vulpes punkman: yo what's the story with deedbot and deeds.bitcoin-assets.com?
22:02 ben_vulpes someone actually emailed *me* about the deeds site being down
22:02 ben_vulpes albeit in the context of our derpy fundation, but still
22:03 ben_vulpes derpy? i mean culty.
~ 31 minutes ~
22:34 BingoBoingo http://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2012/10/50-years-of-bond-george-lazenby-one-hit-wonder/ << Pussy
22:34 assbot 50 Years of James Bond: George Lazenby, One-Hit Wonder? | Anglophenia | BBC America ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fp8mow )
~ 15 minutes ~
22:49 BingoBoingo !up justusranvier
22:49 BingoBoingo Hello justusranvier
22:50 BingoBoingo Been contemplating any anti-Tempest computer setups justusranvier
22:55 decimation lol related: http://theworstthingsforsale.com/2014/11/25/whole-house-neutralizer/
22:55 assbot Whole-House Neutralizer » The Worst Things For Sale ... ( http://bit.ly/1rfRBcG )
~ 26 minutes ~
23:22 asciilifeform !s placebocin
23:22 assbot 2 results for 'placebocin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=placebocin
23:23 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: at one point i needed some conductive cloth (the kind with silver strands) for an experiment. to my great surprise, i discovered that there is a large manufacturer in usa, and they do brisk business with folks suffering from precisely the kind of phobia described in decimation's link.
↖ ↖
23:24 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It is amazing how many good things come from the demands of the misguided
23:24 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
23:24 asciilifeform sticks and straw for cargo cult - amazing business.
23:24 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
23:24 decimation asciilifeform: to actually 'seal' an entire room at high frequencies is actually pretty difficult
23:25 * asciilifeform knows this well.
23:25 decimation think how a cracked window makes a dark room 'light'
23:25 decimation 'pros' use full metal welded cages with special provisions for all holes
23:25 asciilifeform aha.
23:26 asciilifeform and with mu-metal for magnetics.
23:26 decimation indeed
23:26 asciilifeform (yes - magnetic transients exist)
23:26 BingoBoingo Just remember to salt the ground around your ground
23:27 decimation sure, E-M waves can be generated from either purely electric or purely magnetic fields in motion
23:28 asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igcr5uPt5Hg << on topic
23:28 assbot Del Cross B - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zsMLYA )
23:28 asciilifeform ^ for all students
23:29 asciilifeform no one who hears it, will forget the equations.
23:36 ben_vulpes ah that's fucking brilliant
23:37 * mircea_popescu goes to read diligently what teh gents are on about
23:37 ben_vulpes i can't believe that i've never seen that until today
23:38 mircea_popescu https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net BingoBoingo cazalla dude this thing's actually catching on!
23:38 assbot Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1zsOj4H )
23:40 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Today cazalla found so many new incoming links from... actual other news sites
23:40 mircea_popescu myeah. teamwork an' errything :)
23:40 mircea_popescu you two write more!
23:41 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: New must happen first. I'm not writing about a fucking image macro like Conde Nasty http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/11/western-union-doesnt-like-bitcoin-spoof-ad-files-dmca-takedown-claim/ Imma write moar though
23:41 assbot Western Union doesn’t like Bitcoin spoof ad, files DMCA takedown claim | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1zsOQn8 )
23:42 asciilifeform qntra << lol, it's almost at the level of my own obscure site now.
23:42 cazalla asciilifeform, always an optimist eh
23:42 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo clearly.
23:43 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Almost. Loper is a big site though. You are TempleOS without the Dopamine blockers.
23:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well, in some perspectives.
23:43 asciilifeform except that qntra is not as forsaken, in that i get 100-200/day except for 1-2 days in a month, where it's 10-30k
23:43 BingoBoingo The truth is though that Bitcoin is still an obscure thing
23:43 asciilifeform and they're all from some moron reservation
23:43 asciilifeform e.g. 'reddit'
23:44 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Now that I've realized it some months ago I can't forget stumbling into loper well before stumbling into BTC
23:44 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: how'd you do that
23:45 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Hypercard Article
23:45 asciilifeform aha.
23:46 BingoBoingo Hypercard was the tool I used to sort the girls I wanted to fuck in High School... Because 80's movies
23:50 asciilifeform lol mr. flood is still in business?
23:50 BingoBoingo Perhaps>
23:50 asciilifeform quite a few paired 'joined/quit' in today's log.
23:51 BingoBoingo TaT joined earleir today but I didn't have time to warn about Mr. Flood before join/part storm affected him
23:51 asciilifeform kakobrekla: perhaps add to channel message-line ?
23:51 asciilifeform 'we have mice'
23:52 BingoBoingo Not Mice, whatever the plural of Geese is. Big, but thin neck.
23:53 BingoBoingo Geese is threatening animal that any adult simian should be able to swiftly dispatch with bare hands
23:53 kakobrekla 'joined/quit' < ping timeouts?
23:53 mircea_popescu <BingoBoingo> The truth is though that Bitcoin is still an obscure thing << quote. but for that matter, theatre is still a fucking obsscuire thing
23:53 mircea_popescu only been around for 5000 years.
23:53 asciilifeform kakobrekla: aha
23:54 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> and they're all from some moron reservation <<< how would it work so that a large crowd is anything else ?
23:55 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: naturally. that's why i no longer even bother to check at most times.
23:55 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: There's a utility to this though. There's a reason why men range counter tenor to contra bass and yet castrati are something else
23:55 mircea_popescu kakobrekla hey, can assbot pm change to
23:55 asciilifeform i no longer give a damn if it was 'reddit', 'hacker news', or whatever.
23:55 mircea_popescu -assbot- Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass. If you get flooded upon connection, go to #Freenode ask for a cloak come back under a different name.
23:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71850 @ 0.00039723 = 28.541 BTC [-] {2}
23:56 asciilifeform 'or come back under' ?
23:56 mircea_popescu o wow, under 40 huh
23:56 kakobrekla i very much doubt diff name will halp
23:56 mircea_popescu kakobrekla how ?
23:56 kakobrekla i mean, do anything
23:56 mircea_popescu cloak | diff name ?
23:57 kakobrekla diff name
23:57 mircea_popescu but my msg says both.
23:58 kakobrekla you think there is actually 'if cloak then look in logs for host' ?
23:59 mircea_popescu yes.
23:59 kakobrekla i doubt it.
23:59 mircea_popescu ;;isup log.bitcoin-assets.com
23:59 gribble log.bitcoin-assets.com is down
23:59 kakobrekla what
23:59 kakobrekla its up here
23:59 mircea_popescu i dunno it died while i was trying to read up on today's affairs.
23:59 mircea_popescu ;;isup log1.bitcoin-assets.com
23:59 gribble log1.bitcoin-assets.com is up
23:59 mircea_popescu is that down there ?
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