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00:00	mircea_popescu	"oh, better keep this in the purse ever as i pretend smoking disgusts me, who knows, maybe hott gringo asks
00:00	asciilifeform	poke smot, woke smeed (TM)
00:00	mircea_popescu	yeah right. these chicks looked like they haven't even mastered the blowjob yet. what weed.
00:00	asciilifeform	then pyromania.
00:00	mircea_popescu	!up livegnik
00:00	decimation	candles?
00:00	mircea_popescu	wtf is identifi
00:01	mircea_popescu	ima name myself popesci, it's trendi eri
00:01	mircea_popescu	decimation on the street ?!
00:01	asciilifeform	PopeSci - laboratory supplies approved by the holy see
00:01	decimation	some guy made a web 2.0 version of nanotube's wot, thinks he is gonna make money
00:01	asciilifeform	mega-business, yes
00:01	asciilifeform	must happen.
00:01	mircea_popescu	let me guess, easier to use ?
00:01	decimation	lol
00:01	mircea_popescu	anyway, sirius as in the 2009 sirius ?
00:02	mircea_popescu	ie, the actual founder of tardstalk.org ?
00:02	decimation	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120385 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120388
00:02	assbot	Logged on 05-05-2015 02:37:01; decimation: livegnik: what do you have to offer over properly using gpg?
00:02	assbot	Logged on 05-05-2015 02:37:47; livegnik: decimation: Well, I guess usability on many fronts mostly. Also, it can be integrated within many existing fields.
00:02	decimation	it's almost like these guys are a broken record
00:02	mircea_popescu	afaik sirius had been working at a web-ish sort of wot for ages now.
00:03	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120250 << neato mod6 !
00:03	assbot	Logged on 05-05-2015 01:32:31; mod6: ok bitcoin-v0_5_3_1 + Orphanage Nuke is running with `nmon -f -s3` & `vmstat 1`, so we should have some good metrics when complete.
00:03	asciilifeform	speaking of,
00:03	asciilifeform	173874.
00:04	mircea_popescu	nb.
00:04	asciilifeform	(not continuous run, this was a portable box that spent ~4 or so hrs in a car)
00:04	mircea_popescu	!gettrust livegnik
00:04	assbot	livegnik is not registered in WoT.
00:04	mircea_popescu	o.O
00:04	asciilifeform	will post valgrind output tomorrow
00:05	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120259 << if i were a hooker, i'd get a job as a hotel maid.
00:05	assbot	Logged on 05-05-2015 01:34:01; asciilifeform: this is unheard of in usa
00:05	mircea_popescu	perfect spot. guy alone ? take off clothes, do the work naked, see what he says.
00:05	decimation	cleaning shit is at least an honest business
00:06	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i thought about flipping the cardboard flag to lure'em in
00:06	mircea_popescu	you don't have to pay anyone for leads that way, don't have to commute to work... with a little luck can do a dozen numbers and make more than the manager makes per month
00:06	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform alternatively you coulda just asked.
00:06	mircea_popescu	you know women are possessed of speech. you can talk to them.
00:06	asciilifeform	in deep theory, yes
00:06	mircea_popescu	lmao
00:07	mircea_popescu	i talked to one just now!!
00:07	asciilifeform	w0w
00:07	decimation	you don't even have to be a missionary for your shit cleaning
00:07	decimation	just a mercenary
00:07	mircea_popescu	didn't even have to repeat myself or nuttin.
00:07	asciilifeform	pets don't count, you know
00:07	mircea_popescu	decimation how's this mercenary position again ?
00:08	decimation	pay me to clean your shit?
00:08	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you think just erryone gets to be a pet ?
00:08	asciilifeform	clearly not erryone.
00:08	asciilifeform	but distinct problem from chatting with wild creatures, yes
00:09	asciilifeform	(not really problem, as such, unless one made catastrophic mistake in empetting)
00:09	mircea_popescu	anyway, it's my experience that the unconcerned asker usually does fine. it's the hedger that ends up in the soup.
00:10	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120278 << check it out, an entire network away from b-a. because why ?
00:10	assbot	Logged on 05-05-2015 01:46:40; livegnik: Yesterday I've written an extensive comment on Ian Grigg's article about ID issues, especially in combination with the blockchain. It's quite the read, but I think it'll be worth your time, if you want to get a more in-depth view of Identifi:
00:11	asciilifeform	because came up with it in the dark, used chewing gum, knife, remains of his parachute straps, and bones of travelling companion to build it.
00:12	asciilifeform	(however much of it there is)
00:12	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120287 << not a terribly fair sourging, this. we're not doing so very much better, yet. ( http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-lordship-list/#comment-113945 )
00:12	assbot	Logged on 05-05-2015 01:49:19; asciilifeform: try to answer this one compactly, it should be answerable. who composes the whitelist ?
00:12	assbot	A new Lordship List ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1bZdtCg )
00:12	decimation	asciilifeform: he does have rounded corners on the wot listings
00:13	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it was not initially clear what was meant by 'whitelist'
00:13	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120299 << this is urgently becoming a major tell-tale sign of eventual failure.
00:13	assbot	Logged on 05-05-2015 01:52:03; trinque: aside that it just strings together analogies
00:13	asciilifeform	assumed centralized derpatron, because this is almost inevitably in the mix when folks reinvent in the dark
00:14	mircea_popescu	yeah. but even if construed favorably, the point remains : you will have some hierarchies of trust.
00:14	asciilifeform	the most worrying sign is that the fella intends to somehow make a living from this
00:14	mircea_popescu	gpg nbetwork calls it "the strong set"
00:14	mircea_popescu	kind-of what i'm trying to build too, kind-of what's utterly required : until critical mass, danger will robinson!
00:15	mircea_popescu	and i suspect (the math on this is fuzzy and still bneing worked out) that the critical mass for wot is exponentially more expensive than the critical mass for bitocin.
00:15	asciilifeform	almost certainly will rest on meatgangs, just as the old world did. (i.e. sets of folks who actually interact daily, not necessarily in meatspace)
00:16	mircea_popescu	seems probable. hence teh conferences.
00:16	felipelalli	http://i.imgur.com/oLki4kF.jpg << USGavin blocktrain
00:16	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1bZdXrZ )
00:16	decimation	lol
00:16	asciilifeform	this deserves to be posted somewhere
00:17	mircea_popescu	there was a great pic of a loaded train yest, where was it
00:17	asciilifeform	(somewhere permanent)
00:17	felipelalli	I searched on Google by "india crowded train" ahahah
00:18	mircea_popescu	http://travel.smart-guide.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Pakistan-Crowded-Train.jpg
00:18	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1bZec6o )
00:18	felipelalli	it is insane!
00:18	asciilifeform	there we go.
00:18	mircea_popescu	http://travel.smart-guide.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/The-Most-Crowded-Train-in-Pakistan.jpg prolly better
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00:18	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1bZeaLH )
00:18	felipelalli	but here in Brazil we have this: http://www.anonymousbrasil.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/120717-Metr%C3%B4SP2.jpg
00:18	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1bZebiM )
00:18	asciilifeform	rivers'o'meat!
00:18	decimation	I was watching a bbc show about indian frontier railways a few weeks ago
00:19	mircea_popescu	omfg
00:19	decimation	apparently neither india nor pakistan have upgraded anything since the brits left
00:19	decimation	still using ancient signaling devices, etc
00:19	asciilifeform	decimation: not quite, in got some su hardware on the cheap
00:20	asciilifeform	but probably not enough to be visible to unarmed eye
00:20	felipelalli	the new blocktrain: http://img.qga.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/metr%C3%B4-sp-0.jpeg
00:20	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1bZeslR )
00:20	danielpbarron	http://trilema.com/2014/cryptographs-revived/ << loaded train
00:20	assbot	Cryptographs, revived. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1bZesSX )
00:21	decimation	asciilifeform: the frontier railways are pathological cases, going between indian and bangladesh, nepal
00:22	mircea_popescu	danielpbarron: "Martti Malmi is << sirius. and yes.
00:23	asciilifeform	so this character is known here, but is not in wot proper ?
00:23	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120329 << the general score is an implementation error, due to originator noobishness. it's been mostly since remedied. see stuff like http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
00:23	assbot	Logged on 05-05-2015 02:22:45; livegnik: danielpbarron: The main difference between Bitcoin-OTC and Identifi, if I understand correctly, is that the Bitcoin-OTC WoT acts as a WoT-for-all, whereas with Identifi each identity has it's own WoT, and there's no 'general' score.
00:23	assbot	What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1bZeJoS )
00:23	asciilifeform	!s wot not scalar
00:23	assbot	1 results for 'wot not scalar' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=wot+not+scalar
00:24	mircea_popescu	myeah.
00:25	mircea_popescu	in other news : i
00:25	mircea_popescu	i'm "hacking" gravtar, been exposing gmail emails all day.
00:25	mircea_popescu	will make a post later about it.
00:25	asciilifeform	l0l
00:25	mircea_popescu	oh i recall this identi.fi thing being discussed at some point cuz anduck was in it. maybe a year ago ?
00:25	mircea_popescu	!s "identi.fi"
00:25	assbot	3 results for '"identi.fi"' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%22identi.fi%22
00:26	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: there were some results with dictionary attack a while ago
00:26	asciilifeform	(it used md5, iirc)
00:26	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2014#868256
00:26	assbot	Logged on 11-10-2014 03:19:12; mircea_popescu: http://identi.fi/id/account/mircea_popescu@bitcoin-otc.com << check out the scrappers ?
00:26	mircea_popescu	word.
00:26	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yes. this is going the other way.
00:26	asciilifeform	http://www.developer.it/post/gravatars-why-publishing-your-email-s-hash-is-not-a-good-idea
00:26	assbot	Gravatars: why publishing your email's hash is not a good idea ... ( http://bit.ly/1bZf6Qe )
00:27	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yeah. this is going the other way tho : make emails, hash, test.
00:27	mircea_popescu	im going through ~100/s, fished out a few dozen already.
00:27	felipelalli	mircea_popescu: not only emails but the photo together. :)
00:27	asciilifeform	that works
00:27	asciilifeform	l0l
00:28	*	asciilifeform doubts that anyone will be shocked at the discovery that one can do this
00:29	mircea_popescu	i intend to email the people so i guess we see.
00:29	decimation	why use unsalted md5?
00:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47150 @ 0.0002504 = 11.8064 BTC [-] {2}
00:29	mircea_popescu	because gravatar, which is a subsidiary of automattic, which exists in order to shit on the internet.
00:30	mircea_popescu	there's an entire subculture of these asinine imbeciles, from altman to fetlife to automattic to you name it.
00:31	mircea_popescu	"everyone can drive a car" results sooner or later in the "nobody could have foreseen that curve" soccer mom and old person automotive club
00:34	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120368 << rhel was not BORN a usg agency. it first made money, on a totally different business model, before folding in. this celia approach to life doesn't work as a way to START. it's a way to end.
00:34	assbot	Logged on 05-05-2015 02:32:01; livegnik: The idea for business model for the company we have in mind probably comes closest to Red Hat, without the Enterprise edition.
00:35	mircea_popescu	(but i do recall a kid who, whenever asked what he aims to become in lyf, would answer "pensioneer")
00:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.00024984 = 9.419 BTC [-] {2}
00:35	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120380 << if only people did their year of logs before proceeding into walls.
00:35	assbot	Logged on 05-05-2015 02:36:21; livegnik: trinque: So would we. Sirius spent 1.5 half years working on the proof-of-concept, and I've spent the last 8 months working on this project full-time. I've actually quit my dayjob for it and am burning my savings.
00:36	decimation	I remember the early days of redhat, when everyone thought they were the heros for trying to 'make money' on open source software
00:36	mircea_popescu	mhm
00:37	mircea_popescu	well, back then they were the heroes.
00:37	mircea_popescu	heck, at some point graham was a very respectable lisp hacker, and buffett a supremely wise capital allocator.
00:37	mircea_popescu	age gets to us all.
00:37	decimation	then they realized that they occupied a massive vacuum left by sun and old purveyors of unix to usg
00:37	mircea_popescu	myeah
00:38	mircea_popescu	the problem with people, generally, is that they never aim to destroy.
00:38	mircea_popescu	the thought of your average joe when confronted with a vacuum is never "holy shit ima make SUCH A fucking earthquake here..."
00:38	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120414 << this is exactly what planning is not.
00:38	assbot	Logged on 05-05-2015 02:46:43; livegnik: trinque: We plan to break-even within (max) a year or 3.
00:39	decimation	but he has an accountant!
00:39	mircea_popescu	women plan like thus : i would like for X to happen. men plan like thus : X is probably going to happen want it or not.
00:39	mircea_popescu	the former's daydreaming, the latter's planning.
00:39	mircea_popescu	because human culture is an exercise in opressing the female viewpoint
00:39	mircea_popescu	principally because the female viewpoint is retardedly infantile.
00:41	mircea_popescu	decimation : to quote the original variety speak, "the budget goes crunch, but the names pack punch, so they called over the accountants and they're gonna do lunch"
00:41	cazalla	AU slashed interest rates to 2.0%, lowest on record, gotta juice the housing market a bit more i guess
00:42	decimation	mircea_popescu: the idea that an accountant is the guy who should be planning your business is a little silly
00:42	mircea_popescu	he means the accountant will shrug at their projections and go "i guess"
00:43	mircea_popescu	which makes them ever so slightly better than blindfold darts
00:43	decimation	yeah, reminds me of 'technical analysis' of stocks
00:44	mircea_popescu	accountant is definitely useful, in this process.
00:44	mircea_popescu	like the mill generator is important in aircraft.
00:44	mircea_popescu	it won't land the thing for you tho.
00:44	decimation	sure, but in the sense of knowing where you are, not where you are going I would think?
00:45	mircea_popescu	accountant's a tool. can only shine in the hands of providential management.
00:45	decimation	yes. one problem with the us business world in general is that many 'staff' positions like accountancy have been mistaken for management
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00:46	mircea_popescu	if you don't have providential management, da fuck you gonna do. trust in the tools.
00:46	mircea_popescu	cargo cultism at its most base. "well we don't have a mechanic, but all the toolboxes are here and open just like he would have had them, were he here"
00:47	decimation	maybe if we let the tools decide?
00:48	*	mircea_popescu imagines very sad repair shop operated by the surviving children of dead mechanic, through throwing wrenches and whatnot at engines.
00:48	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24979 @ 0.00024961 = 6.235 BTC [-] {2}
00:48	mircea_popescu	danielpbarron: << that part's got to go << that's the part which provides "usability".
00:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118121 @ 0.00024879 = 29.3873 BTC [-] {3}
00:50	*	mircea_popescu pokes asciilifeform the conquering hero as to THE STATE OF THE DAMNED GPG KEYS!111
00:52	mircea_popescu	thinking about it, i'm not even sure what ycombinator's business model is supposed to be past the old yahoo scam (trick old ladies into thinking X is big so they pour their money into it, pocketing most of it, etc)
00:53	decimation	yeah, but richer and more sophisticated ladies, because they are qualified investors
00:53	mircea_popescu	right.
00:53	mircea_popescu	well yahoo in the golden age (1999-2002ish) also swindled the same market.
00:54	mircea_popescu	same Katie Courics/Elie Wiesels/Alicia Koplowitzes that madoff took to the cleaners too.
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01:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117421 @ 0.00025244 = 29.6418 BTC [+] {2}
02:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.00025766 = 10.3064 BTC [+]
02:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93401 @ 0.00024651 = 23.0243 BTC [-]
02:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89750 @ 0.00024651 = 22.1243 BTC [-]
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02:53	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74350 @ 0.00026059 = 19.3749 BTC [+] {2}
02:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50100 @ 0.00024651 = 12.3502 BTC [-]
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03:16	mircea_popescu	http://www.experian.com/small-business/mailing-lists.jsp << check out the mad skills of experian.
03:16	assbot	Buy Mailing Lists, Marketing Lists & Leads Online | Consumer Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1bZASDu )
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03:36	mats	https://www.mininodes.com/64-bit-arm-servers-now-available/
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04:26	jurov	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120242 if you have any better idea how to come up with patch ID and propagate it
04:26	assbot	Logged on 05-05-2015 01:27:39; asciilifeform: jurov: can we have less mutilation (file names?) plz ?
04:28	cazalla	http://agar.io/ sweet game
04:28	assbot	Agar.io ... ( http://bit.ly/1IcV82B )
04:30	mircea_popescu	namespaces, best problem in cs.
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04:54	davout	;;later tell funkenstein_ nice blog post
04:54	gribble	The operation succeeded.
05:08	jurov	lmao.. liberlanders tried to board their homeland, get detained by croatian customs for "crossing border outside of b.point"
05:08	jurov	promise "we'll try next time using proper protocol for boarding from international waters"
05:10	jurov	with "We have assistance of Serbian police, which is now coordinating the action so everything would go well in keeping with the international laws."
05:12	jurov	sauce: https://www.facebook.com/theliberlandtimes
05:12	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1zvMN6X )
05:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00024651 = 2.12 BTC [-]
05:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139617 @ 0.00024729 = 34.5259 BTC [+]
05:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00024729 = 4.9458 BTC [+]
05:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170100 @ 0.00024729 = 42.064 BTC [+]
05:30	punkman	jurov, also funny http://www.paraduin.nl/?p=173
05:30	assbot	Illegal Liberland flag removed from Siga | Paraduin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zvPuoX )
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06:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 211 @ 0.01075639 = 2.2696 BTC [+] {5}
06:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48462 @ 0.00024729 = 11.9842 BTC [+]
06:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33610 @ 0.00024622 = 8.2755 BTC [-] {2}
06:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102858 @ 0.00024471 = 25.1704 BTC [-] {3}
06:41	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75300 @ 0.00024729 = 18.6209 BTC [+]
06:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30550 @ 0.0002428 = 7.4175 BTC [-]
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07:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41630 @ 0.00024457 = 10.1814 BTC [+] {2}
07:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91200 @ 0.000248 = 22.6176 BTC [+]
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08:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25520 @ 0.00024839 = 6.3389 BTC [+]
08:24	jurov	http://journal.liberation.fr/publication/liberation/1849/#!/0_0 lulz for mircea_popescu
08:24	assbot	Libération, journal numérique du 5 mai 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1zK2eJ4 )
08:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 179900 @ 0.00024393 = 43.883 BTC [-] {3}
08:41	mats	it falls
08:50	jurov	http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/GBTC/quote wow,$42 for 0.1 pseudobtc? /r/buttcoin has field day with this
08:50	assbot	GBTC Bitcoin Investment Trust: Summary, Stock Quote & Trades for Bitcoin Investment Trust - OTCMarkets.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1zK4no8 )
08:51	davout	jurov: re liberation maximum kek
08:54	davout	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120260 <<< didn't stop dominique strauss kahn :D
08:54	assbot	Logged on 05-05-2015 01:34:14; trinque: asciilifeform: ah yeah they were total trolls at my old gig
08:56	davout	asciilifeform: really curious to see how the orphanage thermonuke patch will work in the field
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09:17	mats	https://twitter.com/hackerfantastic/status/595576361512755200
09:25	asciilifeform	182842
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09:46	asciilifeform	jurov: please check turdatron
09:46	asciilifeform	ate msg for no reason that i can discern
09:46	asciilifeform	nm, just slow
09:46	asciilifeform	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000089.html
09:46	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1dKnsN3 )
09:46	asciilifeform	^ achtung, panzers
09:46	asciilifeform	[BTC-dev] Full Orphanage Thermonuke Valgrind Output.
09:49	asciilifeform	ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al ^^^
10:01	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166650 @ 0.00024604 = 41.0026 BTC [+] {2}
10:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 181302 @ 0.00023476 = 42.5625 BTC [-] {2}
10:03	*	mod6 looks
10:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16398 @ 0.00023326 = 3.825 BTC [-]
10:12	mod6	;;calc 50655817/1024000
10:12	gribble	49.4685712891
10:12	mod6	so about 10x that much eh
10:14	mod6	187980 << im at this block
10:15	mod6	but overnight my nmon capture died :<
10:16	mircea_popescu	jurov what's liberanders ?
10:17	mod6	here's what I'm seeing in my vmstat.out -- before bitcoind was started, and currently: http://dpaste.com/3E5W7SB.txt
10:17	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GMoe2W )
10:18	mircea_popescu	<jurov> wow,$42 for 0.1 pseudobtc? << i don't see anything on that page ?
10:20	jurov	dunno, works from here. and it went up to $55
10:20	pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu jurov give me two mins and i'll have a little qntra piece on it
10:20	jurov	http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/GBTC/quote
10:20	assbot	GBTC Bitcoin Investment Trust: Summary, Stock Quote & Trades for Bitcoin Investment Trust - OTCMarkets.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMoqzn )
10:20	mircea_popescu	http://md0.libe.com/api/libe/v2/paperpage/218512/?size=x500&format=jpg << what the fuck idiotic format is that.
10:20	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GMosHr )
10:20	jurov	oh you mean liberation
10:20	jurov	that's worse shit than scribd, i did not realize at first
10:22	mircea_popescu	anyway. so some senator wants the bitches in decolletage. big whoop.
10:22	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/gbtc-otc-derp.png << this what you see ?
10:22	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GMoEX3 )
10:23	jurov	yea, that i saw when i had js disabled
10:23	mircea_popescu	ah ok. it'll be good enough then. no quotes.
10:24	Pierre_Rochard	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120718 < bizarre statement, if you think of your CFO as staff, you hired the wrong guy
10:24	assbot	Logged on 05-05-2015 04:45:39; decimation: yes. one problem with the us business world in general is that many 'staff' positions like accountancy have been mistaken for management
10:24	mircea_popescu	"The Liberlanden goverment seems to have a lot of plans for the future. Paraduin appears to have no plans. Why clutch the control of a nation which you have no intrest in?" << wtf is with these retarded children. they're comparing their reality on the grounds of the extension of their hopes and dreams now ?
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10:24	mircea_popescu	"you and sara aren't nearly as much a thing as me and sara, because I even draw weird pictures of her in my fictional dungeon doing really slave-y shit!!1"
10:24	pete_dushenski	;;later tell bingoboingo http://dpaste.com/0J7BCR7.txt << qntsideration
10:24	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JO3mhY )
10:24	gribble	The operation succeeded.
10:25	mircea_popescu	meanwhile sara doesn't know who either are.
10:25	mircea_popescu	Pierre_Rochard cfo is nonsense in the first place.
10:25	mircea_popescu	what are you, a private bank ?
10:26	pete_dushenski	;;later tell cazalla http://dpaste.com/3SJX45Z.txt << qntsideration
10:26	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JO3u19 )
10:26	gribble	The operation succeeded.
10:27	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform (Fragging; or dynamic crud somehow not covered by valgrind, etc.) << i toldja it doesn't only leak in that place.
10:27	Pierre_Rochard	seriously? I’ve only worked in handful of businesses, but I can’t imagine them operating for long without a CFO
10:27	mircea_popescu	but ==4466== ERROR SUMMARY: 303360 errors from 25 contexts is not bad.
10:28	mircea_popescu	Pierre_Rochard yeah, but what they did was glorify their accountant into "officer"hood.
10:28	pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/GBTC-quote-May-5-2015.png << this is what i see.
10:28	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JO3DSd )
10:28	mircea_popescu	a business couldn't conceivably operate for long without the cleanning lady, either, but that doesn't mean she's not staff.
10:29	mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski lol. doesn't even... price outside of week range etc ? p.lulzy.
10:29	pete_dushenski	mebbe "pink sheets" don't have such fancy rules ?
10:30	pete_dushenski	still, $550 for APPROXIMATELY one coin
10:30	mircea_popescu	i'm having a lol at "greyscale" having made essentially the same tired out bitcoin scam.
10:30	pete_dushenski	what's the margin for error here, me wonders.
10:30	mircea_popescu	these fiat derps really imagine they're going to be such hot shit once "they get regulatory approval"
10:30	mircea_popescu	then they do and it turns out... that's still not where it's at.
10:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80950 @ 0.00024361 = 19.7202 BTC [+]
10:32	pete_dushenski	"no one could've predicted"
10:32	Pierre_Rochard	mircea_popescu: there’s been generalized inflation of “C” positions, but if you’re going to glorify someone, may as well be the financial steward of the company. He’s a key part of governance and oversight. Or at least, that’s been my experience
10:33	mircea_popescu	oversight he is, but that's staff.
10:33	mircea_popescu	governance is the job of the fucking board not the job of the officers
10:33	mircea_popescu	for crying out loud k ?
10:33	mircea_popescu	i get it, everyone wants to pretend and pretense is expensive so everyone agrees to pretend in a cheaper, mutually recognised way
10:33	mircea_popescu	nevertheless...
10:35	mircea_popescu	unless you're out and out making tax avoidance and marginal financial scams a part of your business model (hence my "are you a private bank" question), in which case yes the cfo is in fact a chief of a department and needs to come up with planning for the board etc,
10:35	Pierre_Rochard	oversight is the definition of management. A board’s governance is over the officers of the company in practice
10:35	mircea_popescu	having a cfo is like having an afterburner. for your car.
10:35	Pierre_Rochard	that’s the street view
10:35	mircea_popescu	no. oversight is the definition of parenting.
10:36	mircea_popescu	if oversight were the definition of management, all parents of autistic children should be in jail.
10:37	Pierre_Rochard	Your view of cfos reveals something about the cfos you’ve had experience with...
10:37	mircea_popescu	in no case can random corp that's NOT a private bank actually afford a cfo. (who no, is not an accountant, and who yes costs more than a good ceo - which again isn't "i'm the boss")
10:38	Pierre_Rochard	right, characters out of hollywood movies are generally not available for hire
10:38	mircea_popescu	man...
10:41	mircea_popescu	competent people are not "characters out of hollywood movies". this is like... guy wanting to break up with his wife because she's... whatever, middleaged fatty, and she breaking out the "supermodels aren't available!!1"
10:41	mircea_popescu	depends for whom. yes, for middle aged fatty married to middle aged fatty they aren't. which is why he calling her a "porn star" is dubious in the first place.
10:43	mircea_popescu	the conflict here being that you like accountancy and imagine that "being an accountant" is a part of one's identity, and i used to like being a cfo back when i was still available to hire, and i had a very strict "accountant ne ultra crepidam" then, too.
10:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00024361 = 3.3253 BTC [+]
10:47	wyrdmantis	;;bc,stats
10:47	gribble	Current Blocks: 355080 | Current Difficulty: 4.7643398017803444E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 356831 | Next Difficulty In: 1751 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 16 hours, 9 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
10:48	mircea_popescu	difficulty choking with price uptrend
10:48	mircea_popescu	we're going to see 1000s this year aren't we.
10:49	pete_dushenski	;;ticker
10:49	gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 234.95, Best ask: 235.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 235.0, 24 hour volume: 35540.0351353, 24 hour low: 231.05, 24 hour high: 241.99, 24 hour vwap: None
10:49	mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski you familiar with the "poisoned reactor" phenomenon ?
10:49	pete_dushenski	tis possibru
10:49	pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu hm. no ?
10:49	Pierre_Rochard	my background does color my view, but a competent cfo isn’t one who’s great at tax avoidance (that’s why you hire…. tax accountants!) or cooking the books. (1) A competent cfo is one who build a great financial planning and analysis team and uses them well - to inform the CEO’s strategy and constraints under which the business operates. (2) A competent cfo also builds a great internal audit team to maintain
10:49	Pierre_Rochard	control over assets and operations
10:50	mircea_popescu	Pierre_Rochard yes man, in theory this is true. in practice you know what it is.
10:50	mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski well then pull a chair and let old man me tell you a story!
10:50	Pierre_Rochard	that’s what I’ve seen in practice…
10:50	pete_dushenski	my favourite!
10:50	mircea_popescu	so, nuclear reactions happen a lot like dating : whenever a nucleon breaks up, it spits out some accelerated particles. either these hit another nucleon and start another reaction or they don't.
10:51	mircea_popescu	in order for the nuclear reaction to be a nuclear explosion, the average nucleons hit / nucleons broken must be >1. in order for it to be a nuclear reactor (the civillian kind) it must be exactly 1. but exactly. if it goes below 1 the reaction extinguishes, so most reactors are run as a 0.999 - 1 oscillation, practically.
10:52	mircea_popescu	the way this is accomplished in practice is with "moderators", which are rods of particle absorbers. these soak up the particles, reducing the rate of reaction. in practice, large barium rods go in and out of the core
10:53	mircea_popescu	now, some particular fuels have the unfortunate property that if the reaction is ever decelerated, they produce nuclear poisons. nuclear poisons are usually gases (like xeon) that absorb particles and decay.
10:53	mircea_popescu	a very dangerous situation can develop in practice (especially in "manually operated" reactors) where the core is well poisoned, which makes it look like it is working way way under 1, which prompts the techs to remove the moderator further.
10:54	cazalla	pete_dushenski, it's up
10:54	mircea_popescu	nothing happens, of course, because the poisons are still sucking up the particles. so they pull the moderator even further, not getting any feedback.
10:54	mircea_popescu	at which point hte poison suddenly runs out, and now you have a critical reactor and not enough time to moderate it (because those rods take time to move, being mechanical in nature).
10:54	mircea_popescu	and this is how chernobyl happened.
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10:55	pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu mercy... well told!
10:55	pete_dushenski	cazalla cheers mate.
10:56	mircea_popescu	Pierre_Rochard what i've seen in practice is a lot of "industry standards" and "nobody could have predicted", neither of which do a cfo make.
10:57	mircea_popescu	in fact whenever an officer of any kind justifies anything by "it being industry standard" that officer should be therewith fired and sent back to the staff position he belongs in.
10:57	mircea_popescu	it's leadership not followship. you gotta have much better reasons to do anything than "erryone else's doing it"
10:58	Pierre_Rochard	I agree
10:58	mircea_popescu	and this includes "compliance"
11:00	pete_dushenski	is scoopbot_revived seriously down again ?
11:00	mircea_popescu	now maybe you live in the magical land over the rainbow where people making 75-150k a year with an accountancy degree under their belt somehow actually come up with strategies and organise departments and whatnot. in practice, you'll get a whole lotta copy/paste, shannonization of varous recycled material (what they got from "books" / overheard at conferences etc) and so on.
11:00	pete_dushenski	^williamdunne
11:04	Pierre_Rochard	often better than them trying to reinvent the wheel, that’s when you get some real cargo culting
11:04	Pierre_Rochard	“triple entry accounting!!” etc
11:04	mircea_popescu	no argument.
11:05	mircea_popescu	im not saying that accountants trying to cope with being officers by being bland are better or worse than those trying to cope by being insane.
11:05	mircea_popescu	im saying you shouldn't really put people in positions where they have to cope in production
11:05	mircea_popescu	coping stress is for school.
11:06	mircea_popescu	course school doesn't do that anymore, they just take the tuition, so now business is stuck doing primitive on-job training like it were 1700 all of a sudden.
11:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 233700 @ 0.0002351 = 54.9429 BTC [-] {4}
11:07	Pierre_Rochard	agreed, and I will say not every company’s top accounting/finance person should be cfo, they often should just be treasurer or controller
11:07	mircea_popescu	really, the immensity of cultural decay in the west is not something people can appreciate off the street.
11:07	mircea_popescu	Pierre_Rochard nothing wrong with that, you know ? be the fucking treasurer, nobody died of it yet sorta thing.
11:07	cazalla	pete_dushenski, seems to be.. i swear he was here earlier
11:07	pete_dushenski	hm.
11:07	mircea_popescu	ima ban pete, he keeps breaking the scoop.
11:07	cazalla	if i post a qntra link, it's duplicated seconds later, but if i don't.. nothing!
11:08	mircea_popescu	lalw
11:08	pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu why would nuclear reactions ever be decelerated ? why not just add more barium rods to absorb the excess nucleons ?
11:08	mircea_popescu	that's decelerating it.
11:08	mircea_popescu	when it goes from 1 to 0.999 it decelerated.
11:09	pete_dushenski	oh.
11:09	pete_dushenski	which fuels are more likely to poison reactors ?
11:10	mircea_popescu	iodine pit, xenon pit. whichever make those.
11:10	pete_dushenski	and if you think banning me will make all your earthly woes vanish, you've got another thing coming!
11:10	mircea_popescu	(most of them, in practice)
11:10	mircea_popescu	like the candu shit you people use.
11:11	pete_dushenski	lolk.
11:11	*	ben_vulpes wonders if thing is an l2 pun he doesn't understand the context for
11:11	pete_dushenski	my dad always says "you people" to refer to jooz.
11:11	pete_dushenski	he's... a goy.
11:11	*	ben_vulpes enjoys a brief moment of respite to catch up on logs
11:12	mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes what thing
11:12	ben_vulpes	<pete_dushenski> and if you think banning me will make all your earthly woes vanish, you've got another thing coming!
11:12	mircea_popescu	lol
11:14	*	ben_vulpes pages impatiently through the rhetoric looking for mod6 and asciilifeform and trinque's convos
11:19	ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: "iconv" << is this another one of those "lol u tried to make a static bin sucker" traps?
11:19	*	mircea_popescu totally luhvs job jurov is doing as f.mpif manager.
11:19	mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes exactly.
11:20	ben_vulpes	and even though the produced binary is "static" it still loads system modules at runtime?
11:20	mircea_popescu	exactly.
11:20	mircea_popescu	because orcs must have their dead worm pictures.
11:20	ben_vulpes	carving cthulus name over athena's face.
11:21	mircea_popescu	you know, for kids.
11:22	pete_dushenski	that's pretty fuckin bizarre
11:22	ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: how did you find that in bitcoind? a derpy grep through the 0.5.3 source doesn't show iconv anywhere.
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11:22	ben_vulpes	(0.5.3.1)
11:23	mircea_popescu	so xoom (some derpy bitcoin exchange thing) : 1. pays google to advertise on pages where it gets 1st slot organically anyway ; 2. fails to even fucking load the landingpage : http://dpaste.com/306CZPS
11:23	assbot	dpaste: 306CZPS ... ( http://bit.ly/1F41TDf )
11:23	ben_vulpes	mod6, mircea_popescu, trinque, decimation, mats: ^^ anyone else is welcome to answer as well
11:23	jurov	lol thanks, why? it's not exactly demanding job
11:23	mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes it ends up pulled through glibc which is the source of this poison
11:23	mircea_popescu	jurov people have fucking serious problems doing well simple jobs like this.
11:23	mircea_popescu	so when it's been working correctly for months without needing all sorts of suddenly needed fixes, i'm as happy as i can be.
11:24	mircea_popescu	https://www.xoom.com/home?_rt=kac-all-branded-google-xoombrandedsearch-row-en&cid=ps_brd_dsk_all_all_pd__gog_gxbs___ad_acq__us_&languageCode=en&gclid=CLmS3tjzqsUCFQIQ7AodgG8AYQ << lawler.
11:25	mircea_popescu	languageCode = underscoreLisp
11:26	mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G5F8ObYgjI
11:26	assbot	You know, for kids - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AC1HE0 )
11:27	pete_dushenski	heh. gbtc 'daily range' now $55.00 - 94.86. 52wk range unaffected, still 37.98 - 42.00.
11:27	thestringpuller	http://gavinandresen.ninja/it-must-be-done-but-is-not-a-panacea
11:28	pete_dushenski	next lowest ask: $175 for 1 share, then $299.95 for 100 shares.
11:28	jurov	kicking can down the road since 2010 (tm)
11:29	ben_vulpes	jurov: http://tm.shithouse.tv
11:29	assbot	™ ... ( http://bit.ly/1F42DrY )
11:31	ben_vulpes	<mircea_popescu> and i thought i was retarded. << mind you, the feat being performed is sort of one of profound retardation from the ground up, so the guy's up against a pretty epic tower of abstractions
11:31	ben_vulpes	!s dark tower
11:31	assbot	2 results for 'dark tower' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dark+tower
11:31	pete_dushenski	gavin: "The ten-minute settlement time of blocks on the network is not fast enough for those problems," << so... go diddle litecoin.
11:32	mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski pretty lulzy.
11:32	mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski i have nfi why the guy even imagines himself to be involved in bitcoin still.
11:32	thestringpuller	"You cannot expect people to do things for free if we want to keep the system decentralized. Its just not going to happen."
11:32	mircea_popescu	must be mental inertia.
11:33	ben_vulpes	<mircea_popescu> in other news, shoe problems http://40.media.tumblr.com/996bce3d7cadf68f3dcb6cbca5d36ca5/tumblr_n1kzmtoDiA1sx2zfgo4_r1_1280.jpg << tango's given me a new appreciation for the range of girls' ability to derp around in heels
11:33	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1AC2RiA )
11:33	mircea_popescu	http://gavinandresen.ninja/time-to-roll-out-bigger-blocks << ahahaha derp's actually expecting to pull that thing into core ?
11:33	assbot	Time to roll out bigger blocks ... ( http://bit.ly/1AC2WCV )
11:33	davout	"We are years away from a time when we can confidently tell a wallet developer “use this solution to give your users very-high-volume, very-low-cost, very-low-minimum-payment instant transactions.”" <<< someone show them to a mysql howto or something
11:33	mircea_popescu	why, on the grounds that "it's a year away so nobody can think about that" ?
11:34	mircea_popescu	hey power-rangers : nothing changes because it's a year away. if you put this in now, i will STILL attack your pathetic shit once you diverge from bitcoin, and i will still sink it. and you will probably try to pull a "nobody could have foreseen", except in your case, like in the case of the bfl scammers, i have the record pre-made, it's right here.
11:35	mircea_popescu	"nobody could have foreseen" my foot.
11:35	mircea_popescu	gotta love gavin's move from his blog to this thing where there's no comments. clearly, the man has a lot of support o.O
11:38	ben_vulpes	maybe he just likes static html
11:38	thestringpuller	^- http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/34uu02/why_increasing_the_max_block_size_is_urgent_gavin/ << redditards are too lazy to comment on stuff other than reddit
11:40	mircea_popescu	"It's pretty easy to have blocks of arbitrary size with no commercial disadvantage to miners-- and doesn't require fancy relay protocols; just all use a single large pool and a mining protocol like stratum that conceals whats being mined from the miners. The more data/cpu required to synchronize state, the more advantage there is in centralizing the function."
11:40	mircea_popescu	riiiight.
11:43	ben_vulpes	<mircea_popescu> [15:05] course school doesn't do that anymore, they just take the tuition, so now business is stuck doing primitive on-job training like it were 1700 all of a sudden. << jesus tell me about it
11:43	ben_vulpes	"no. 10am. at the latest."
11:43	mircea_popescu	i thought you paged through the rhetoric
11:44	ben_vulpes	i don't think you really grok how much rhetoric you drop
11:44	mod6	the good news is, I got my gentoo-stage3 to boot without a kernel panic. the bad news seems to be that i can't seem to login... something went sideways with the pubkey auth
11:44	mircea_popescu	http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/05/05#l1430840272 << aww two hours short of leet.
11:44	assbot	BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1AC4z3y )
11:44	mircea_popescu	mod6 dude my heart goes out to you. all this shit that works until you try it...
11:44	mod6	:]
11:44	mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes you're prolly right.
11:45	jurov	mod6 aws cloud-init injects other keys
11:45	ben_vulpes	besides that was a *different* *uninteresting* block of rhetoric *upstream* of the shit i was interested in
11:45	mircea_popescu	lol k
11:45	jurov	which you specify when starting the instance
11:45	ben_vulpes	aaand logged
11:46	ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: i get my headers and usb widgets on wednesday night
11:46	mircea_popescu	jurov how does that work anyway ?
11:47	jurov	aws has the concept of machine image, which must be customized on first startup
11:47	jurov	so, ssh pubkey is supplied extra and injeced then
11:47	mircea_popescu	but how does the injection work ?
11:48	jurov	a script called cloud-init runs on startup and does it
11:48	davout	yay, gavinanderpsen appeared in #bitcoin to defend his nonsense, fun ahead
11:48	mircea_popescu	davout i imagine alarms went out all through fort derp.
11:49	mircea_popescu	jurov can you verify they actually inject your key rather than one of theirs for to mitm you with ?
11:49	davout	lol
11:49	mircea_popescu	(obviously aws the corp owns the servers, but i mean... random employee could totally do this, could they ?)
11:50	jurov	they don't need ssh, at all
11:50	mircea_popescu	thinking about it, i guess that's actually a point.
11:50	mircea_popescu	check out the degradation of modernity!
11:51	mircea_popescu	!up Adlai
11:51	Adlai	danke
11:51	mircea_popescu	np.
11:51	jurov	anyway, mod6 has to check /etc/init.d whether clud init is there
11:52	jurov	and it it's the case, remember which ssh pubkey he supplied
11:52	mod6	<+jurov> mod6 aws cloud-init injects other keys << hmm. it asked me when making the instance from my gentoo-stage3 AMI what key's i wanted to use. I also added "00_getsshkey.sh" script(s) as described in here: http://www.blackswanent.com/gentoo/building-a-gentoo-ami
11:52	assbot	Building a Gentoo AMI | BlackSwan ... ( http://bit.ly/1F4565F )
11:53	mod6	So when it asked me, I picked a keypair that I already had in use. just expected it to let me use that... but guess not.
11:54	mod6	<+jurov> anyway, mod6 has to check /etc/init.d whether clud init is there << i would check on the target environment, but i can't even get in there. I'll check in the chroot'd to-be-ami'd fs.
11:55	jurov	kk. cron nor init scripts usually never work on the first try.
11:55	mircea_popescu	x.x
11:55	mircea_popescu	cron and init. more like sex than you'd have ever guessed.
11:56	mod6	:D
11:56	jurov	also, i don't see steps to avoid systemd in that doc
11:57	jurov	iirc systemd does not do /etc/local.d
11:57	mod6	hmm. now that, i do not know. once I get it up and going, i'll have to see what kinda clown cars are spinning in there.
11:58	*	mod6 is not a linux ninja
11:58	jurov	dat's good. since ninjas were assassins
11:59	jurov	and gavin's bitcoin ninja
11:59	jurov	:D
11:59	mod6	haha, i saw that
11:59	mircea_popescu	lol
12:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114239 @ 0.0002443 = 27.9086 BTC [+] {2}
12:08	mod6	<+jurov> iirc systemd does not do /etc/local.d << ok so yeah, i have these: 00_getsshkey.start 00_getsshkey.stop in /etc/local.d
12:08	mod6	there are a bunch of scripts in /etc/init.d
12:09	mod6	and under /etc/systemd there is one directory, 'network', which has nothing in there.
12:09	mircea_popescu	!up ascii_field
12:11	ascii_field	mircea_popescu: THE DAMNED GPG KEYS!111 << dealing with sks retardation; see log
12:11	mircea_popescu	i know i know. i'm just being managerially helpful over here.
12:11	jurov	mod6 try looking into /var/log/rc.log
12:12	ascii_field	mircea_popescu always h3lpfu11!
12:12	ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120816 << the 'micronations' derpage has been going on since '70s
12:12	assbot	Logged on 05-05-2015 14:24:26; mircea_popescu: "The Liberlanden goverment seems to have a lot of plans for the future. Paraduin appears to have no plans. Why clutch the control of a nation which you have no intrest in?" << wtf is with these retarded children. they're comparing their reality on the grounds of the extension of their hopes and dreams now ?
12:13	ascii_field	see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2014#900429
12:13	assbot	Logged on 28-10-2014 19:27:57; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: strauss is a (now very old) man who was involved with some of the '70s derpistans (actual attempts at island 'nations' by american jokers). worth reading if only for zoological purposes.
12:14	mod6	<+jurov> mod6 try looking into /var/log/rc.log << there is no rc.log
12:15	ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120940 << process memory map
12:15	assbot	Logged on 05-05-2015 15:22:21; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how did you find that in bitcoind? a derpy grep through the 0.5.3 source doesn't show iconv anywhere.
12:16	mircea_popescu	sometimes i suspect you read a lot more than me
12:16	jurov	mod6: then enable rc_logger in /etc/rc.conf and after reboot you'll see whole startup
12:16	mircea_popescu	but it's understandable - i got a lot to write :D
12:16	mod6	jurov: ok thx
12:16	mircea_popescu	!up dhill
12:17	dhill	greetings
12:17	*	ascii_field cheats by writing less, yes
12:17	mircea_popescu	you this fellow https://github.com/dajohi ?
12:17	assbot	dajohi (David Hill) · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1F47hpG )
12:17	*	ascii_field writes a good bit but mostly garbage for machine rather than words for men
12:18	mod6	rebooting...
12:18	dhill	yes i am that fellow
12:18	mircea_popescu	so get in teh wot.
12:18	mircea_popescu	and yes we're broadly aware of btcd.
12:18	mircea_popescu	!s btcd
12:18	assbot	93 results for 'btcd' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=btcd
12:18	punkman	"retarded children" -> "Representatives from the Confederation of Âûtia, a micronation for people on the autism spectrum, visited the [Liberland] area on 17 April 2015, but the Croatian police prevented the planting of their flag."
12:19	mircea_popescu	punkman were they actually trying to plant anything ?
12:19	dhill	new release today
12:19	punkman	I'm just wondering how many people want that little piece of land
12:19	jurov	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberland lol already a thing acc.to pediwikia
12:20	assbot	Liberland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1F47r0l )
12:20	mircea_popescu	punkman danube delta's pretty sweet spot. heck, 500 different migratory tribes tried to get it.
12:20	jurov	williamdunne: how comes pediwiki goes with such fad?
12:21	dhill	btcd is replacing leveldb. should be much faster soon.
12:22	jurov	dhill, with what?
12:22	dhill	boltdb
12:22	williamdunne	jurov: Almost anyone can publish, anyone has a large variety of interests
12:22	dhill	github.com/boltdb/bolt
12:23	jurov	williamdunne you know what i mean. "almost everyone" has usually stuff taken down cuz not noteworthy
12:23	punkman	dhill, why u no sqlite
12:23	williamdunne	jurov: I don't really know enough about the demographics of the high-priests of WikiPedia to say anthing too intelligent. But I'm guessing they think it has a chance
12:24	mircea_popescu	jurov "everyone". there's stuff the pedos in charge like. that stays.
12:24	dhill	we started with sqlite. but it requires cgo.
12:24	punkman	what?
12:24	mircea_popescu	there's no pure go sqlite ?
12:24	dhill	i have a postgresql branch :)
12:24	punkman	ahh btcd, never mind, thought we were talking about bitcoind
12:25	mod6	ok jurov: got the log; I don't see any reference to systemd in there -- but keep in mind this is the parent system.
12:25	punkman	so sqlite didn't work out well for you?
12:25	dhill	i don't think there is a pure go sqlite? we used mattn's.
12:25	mod6	lemme post.
12:25	mircea_popescu	!up davec
12:26	jurov	mod6 if the guest does have /etc/rc.conf then it's not systemd, tha'ts ruled out
12:26	dhill	davec is lead on btcd
12:26	ascii_field	dhill: please say a little re: your choice of prog. lang.
12:26	ascii_field	davec ^
12:26	dhill	golang or c is basically all i can stomach.
12:26	ascii_field	so why was the former chosen ?
12:27	dhill	autoconf, different OSs, etc
12:28	dhill	a huge one is test coverage
12:28	mod6	<+jurov> mod6 if the guest does have /etc/rc.conf then it's not systemd, tha'ts ruled out << ok *whew*. so yeah, both the parent and the chroot *have* /etc/rc.conf
12:29	dhill	golang reports which lines of code were never hit in test coverage.
12:29	davec	integrated test infrastructure, no active memory management (therefore no buffer overflows and all of the other common security issues that come with it), standard formatting, platform independent code without the need for an installed runtime (ala JRE), excellent concurrency primitives, built-in profiling, and documentation facilities, etc
12:29	ascii_field	davec: ordinary gprof does this for c, cpp, even fortran
12:30	davec	sure, it not impossible ot do with other, but it's not as nicely integrated nor part of the culture
12:30	mod6	here's that log from the parent gentoo, if you still care: http://dpaste.com/1ZPNT0S.txt
12:30	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1F48mxW )
12:31	jurov	mod6 i meant *all* paths inside the chroot. so if rc_logger="YES" then you'll get the log where hopefully you'll have any error messages from the local script
12:32	dhill	davec, what was the db read time for both leveldb and boltdb?
12:32	dhill	huge difference..
12:33	mircea_popescu	!h
12:33	assbot	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
12:34	mircea_popescu	you two seriously should tkae a few minutes and register your keys.
12:34	mircea_popescu	it'll be valuable later on, and you'll regret not doing it sooner.
12:37	dhill	oh i need a pgp key
12:37	mircea_popescu	yes.
12:38	jurov	dhill, davec, and don't forget to gpg-sing all stuff you publish, esp. binaries
12:38	mircea_popescu	ascii_field shockingly enough, i suspect he actually has a point re the culture. somehow golang has this, whereas java or ruby do not.
12:39	dhill	jurov: we sign our releases
12:39	mircea_popescu	i have no idea how the hell one fashionable language managed to do it, but i am definitely curious.
12:40	mod6	!up ascii_field
12:41	ascii_field	mircea_popescu: 'year zero' where there isn't maxint lines of existing legacy crud that spews ten quintillion profiler errors - is why the 'culture' thing is less impressive than it sounds
12:42	kakobrekla	from some random source, and I quote; " * Module to easily and possibly securily sign strings."
12:45	mircea_popescu	ahahah
12:45	mircea_popescu	ascii_field might well be yeah
12:48	jurov	!up dhill
12:48	davout	kakobrekla: nice
12:51	mircea_popescu	ascii_field to be perfectly honest, i suspect a dark eminence over at google had something to do with it too
12:51	mircea_popescu	no idea who tho
12:52	ascii_field	mircea_popescu: pike ?
12:53	mircea_popescu	maybe
12:53	mircea_popescu	they do credit thompson as a designer too
12:54	mircea_popescu	now if anyone should know the importance of culture...
12:54	williamdunne	Possibly 15 years and becoming a registered sex offender for sex on the beach
12:54	williamdunne	http://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article20191164.html
12:54	assbot	Couple found guilty of having sex on Florida beach | Miami Herald Miami Herald ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMODOa )
12:55	mircea_popescu	williamdunne yo where's the scoopbot
12:55	williamdunne	lawd knows
12:56	williamdunne	Should be on a server soon
12:56	mircea_popescu	that "sex offender" thing suffered as badly on the libertard threadmil as rape. nobody cares anymore.
12:56	davout	williamdunne: get it a cloak
12:56	mircea_popescu	used to be someone being an alleged rapist was a big deal. these days, it just mean kid went to college and wasn't entirely autistic
12:57	williamdunne	mircea_popescu: I think the problem is that a bunch of people are legally obligated to care, and apparently little background info is provided
12:57	williamdunne	i.e raping a kid looks the same as shitting in a park
12:58	ascii_field	from article, looks like fella had priors
12:58	mircea_popescu	ascii_field by the looks of elissa... im sure he did.
12:58	ascii_field	so it is quite like the 'life term for stealing candy' case from '90s
12:58	mircea_popescu	"Video played in the courtroom during the 1- 1/2-day-long trial showed Alvarez moving on top of Caballero in a sexual manner" << does this actusally mean he pegged her ?
12:59	ascii_field	http://www.takepart.com/article/2012/07/03/steal-pizza-die-prison << re: candy thief
12:59	assbot	Californians Could Reform the Three Strikes Law | TakePart ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMPkad )
12:59	williamdunne	Yeah but the woman is looking to go to jail too
13:00	mircea_popescu	The state will ask for jail time for Alvarez and prison time for Caballero. "We gave them a reasonable offer, what we felt was reasonable, and they decided it wasn't something they wanted to accept responsibility for," Dafonseca said. "Despite the video, despite all the witnesses."
13:00	mircea_popescu	you have GOT to be shitting me.
13:01	*	mircea_popescu last had sex in public... last month.
13:01	mircea_popescu	since when are the non-fuckers making the rules ?! wtf is this, grammar school ?
13:01	ascii_field	'you'll starve again unless you learn the meaning of the law' (TM) (R)
13:02	williamdunne	you pedo
13:02	williamdunne	*sex offendor
13:02	mircea_popescu	actually... if the children are watching me fuck, they're adultos.
13:02	mircea_popescu	pedo is when I watch *them*
13:03	williamdunne	What about awkward eye contact during the fact? Is that a rape?
13:04	mircea_popescu	awkward eye contact ?
13:04	mircea_popescu	if you have time for eye contact, you gotta bring more bitchez next time.
13:05	mircea_popescu	In 2000, repeated non-violent thief Louis Rodriguez was sentenced to a Third Strike life in prison sentence for stealing a candy bar and some cheese from a Los Angeles grocery store. After more than eight years behind bars, he died in a prison hospital from terminal liver failure. At the end of his life, he wound up costing California taxpayers more than $100,000 a year in housing and medical expenses.
13:06	mircea_popescu	bwahaha. "your honor, i'm a diabethic. better cut the sentence in half."
13:07	mircea_popescu	"In 2004, Californians voted on Proposition 66, which would have undone the state’s three strikes law. Polls showed 74 percent of voters supported the bill, but a zero-hour negative ad push by the California Peace Officers Association, then-Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and most of the law enforcement community turned public sentiment against it. The bill wound up failing by a 53 to 47 percent margin."
13:07	mircea_popescu	"public sentiment" my foot.
13:08	mircea_popescu	http://www.laopinion.com/sex-beach-playa-caballero-alvarez << the video if anyone cares.
13:08	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GMQF0E )
13:08	williamdunne	Cheers
13:10	williamdunne	I mean they're pretty clearly fucking, but not sure what difference that makes
13:11	williamdunne	!up ascii_field
13:11	mircea_popescu	yeah, they are. they suck at it too.
13:11	williamdunne	Pretty boring clip, especially stupid that they didn't even try and conceal it
13:12	mircea_popescu	well if they were gonna conceal it, might as well went to a room
13:12	williamdunne	From my understanding some people enjoy the thrill of doing it in public, no? Doing it in a way that is less than obvious but still public surely would still deliver the same thrill
13:13	mircea_popescu	the principal reason to fuck in public is to manifest your ownership of the public space, specifically against putative/imaginary/hallucinated ownership by people like the woman that made the video.
13:14	mircea_popescu	the point is to humiliate and bother her, and to enact, especially for her benefit, her social inadequacy and inferiority.
13:14	williamdunne	Not a reason I've heard before, but fair nuff'
13:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48081 @ 0.00023278 = 11.1923 BTC [-]
13:15	danielpbarron	http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3068709/Mother-23-confesses-having-sex-giving-drugs-boy-15-just-three-years-arrested-charged-having-sex-two-DOGS.html
13:15	assbot	Brittany Sonnier, 23, confesses to having sex with boy, 15 and two dogs | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMRPte )
13:15	mircea_popescu	im sure there's people doing it out of infantile fixation, too.
13:16	danielpbarron	"The boy reported the relationship after he grew concerned that Sonnier may have given him a venereal disease
13:16	danielpbarron	Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3068709/Mother-23-confesses-having-sex-giving-drugs-boy-15-just-three-years-arrested-charged-having-sex-two-DOGS.html#ixzz3ZHkwhtTD
13:16	assbot	Brittany Sonnier, 23, confesses to having sex with boy, 15 and two dogs | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMRWVJ )
13:17	williamdunne	Shame about the face
13:17	mircea_popescu	sounds about like the daily mail
13:18	mircea_popescu	for the record, i knew a chick that had a relationship with her dog.
13:19	williamdunne	"relationship"
13:19	mircea_popescu	hey, dog spent the night, k ?
13:19	williamdunne	Did it make breakfast in the morning?
13:19	williamdunne	Did she borrow his shirt?
13:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75238 @ 0.00023173 = 17.4349 BTC [-] {2}
13:20	ben_vulpes	in what world does the guy cook in the am?
13:20	mircea_popescu	^
13:21	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169562 @ 0.00022165 = 37.5834 BTC [-]
13:21	mircea_popescu	anyway, dog ended up with strange ideas about the world, scared the shit out of this chick i visited with once.
13:21	ascii_field	unrelated: therealbitcoin is still unbuildable for cross-arm using anything but old makefile + my (unmerged) portatronic patch
13:21	williamdunne	ben_vulpes: Good point
13:24	mircea_popescu	http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/04/14/284CF10100000578-0-image-a-14_1430747845405.jpg << lulzy teenage controversies
13:24	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JOoggU )
13:24	mircea_popescu	"men make me sick! i'd know!"
13:29	mircea_popescu	in other news,
13:29	mircea_popescu	Subject: Holded invoice alert
13:29	mircea_popescu	Be adviced that your invoice include bad values. Look at the invoice and make amounts.
13:29	mircea_popescu	Jane Roberts, CFO
13:35	williamdunne	I wanna beat someone over the head on #bitcoin
13:40	ascii_field	unrelated: i know folks who want to lease respectable servers for btc
13:40	ascii_field	was there any public movement on this front, at any point ?
13:40	mircea_popescu	lease as in to acquire or lease as in, to give away
13:40	ascii_field	the former
13:40	ascii_field	(afaik the latter would be 'let' in engl.)
13:41	mircea_popescu	it would yeah.
13:41	mircea_popescu	motherfucker am i going to end up with a btc isp on top of everything ?
13:41	mircea_popescu	!up ascii_field
13:41	ascii_field	isp l0l sure
13:42	mircea_popescu	those people can get respectable servers once they're in l1.
13:42	ascii_field	actually fella is in my chain gang - diametric - and is in l1
13:43	mircea_popescu	o hey, haven't seen him in a while.
13:43	ben_vulpes	didn't he drop his keys on the floor?
13:44	mircea_popescu	he did ?
13:44	ascii_field	nope that was another bloke
13:46	diametric	i'm still alive
13:47	diametric	i've just been busy
13:47	ascii_field	there he is.
13:47	diametric	yes i'd pay for a server with btc.
13:47	ascii_field	diametric does actual work. while i distract him.
13:47	diametric	sometimes
13:51	BingoBoingo	!b 2
13:51	assbot	Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2HMT9N1.txt )
13:52	Adlai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-01-2015#983559 << seems what you want isn't a mining pool, rather just a working implementation of atomic swaps talking to a node on each fork
13:52	assbot	Logged on 19-01-2015 17:00:31; mircea_popescu: davout http://trilema.com/2015/rfc-the-gavin-assassinsen-memorial-mining-pool-implementation/ there you go, degraded to rfc.
13:57	scoopbot_revived	News! Gravatar still sucks URL: http://trilema.com/2015/gravatar-still-sucks/
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14:14	williamdunne	http://gavinandresen.ninja/block-size-and-miner-fees-again
14:14	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JOsCVh )
14:15	*	Adlai likes the "Now read this" closing each post. So say we all!
14:19	pete_dushenski	!up ascii_field
14:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98535 @ 0.00023512 = 23.1675 BTC [+]
14:20	danielpbarron	no comments, no date, no author (save the url)
14:21	danielpbarron	link to twitter at the bottom; i guess that's where comments are supposed to go
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14:36	jurov	damn, i could have some servers ready by now. but when i mention who my clients are....
14:41	mod6	finally.
14:41	mod6	got it working, logged into gentoo instance built with my own stage3 ami
14:41	mod6	ec2-user@ip-172-31-7-151 ~ $ uname -a
14:41	mod6	Linux ip-172-31-7-151 3.18.11-gentoo #1 SMP Sun May 3 14:58:30 CDT 2015 x86_64 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2670 v2 @ 2.50GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
14:41	mod6	ec2-user@ip-172-31-7-151 ~ $ ps aux | grep "init"
14:41	mod6	root 1 0.2 0.0 4248 1508 ? Ss 13:33 0:01 init [3]
14:42	mod6	gentoo stage3, amd64, hardened, nomultilib
14:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71900 @ 0.00022736 = 16.3472 BTC [-]
14:43	trinque	mod6: nice job
14:44	jurov	yea
14:46	mod6	thx :]
14:46	williamdunne	jurov: What problem is who giving you?
14:47	jurov	"we have enough ddoses already no thanks"
14:47	jurov	i was searching for a partner who already does some dc stuff
14:47	mod6	lol, i didn't emerge sudo
14:47	mod6	smh
14:48	jurov	this happened. som now i'm on my own trying to put some setup together
14:48	williamdunne	Who did you say your customers are?
14:48	jurov	"bitcoin"
14:48	williamdunne	Wait srsly?
14:48	williamdunne	I've never had trouble with that
14:49	williamdunne	Probably for the best anyway, it they're that faggoty they'll give up the moment a DMCA/Subpoena comes through the post
14:49	jurov	!up ascii_field
14:50	jurov	i was kicked out of bitvps myself due to ddos, myself
14:51	thestringpuller	jurov: < gavinandresen> jurov: I said I asked economists review my ‘block size economics’ post, and they did (and gave valuable feedback). It would be a full-fledge research project to estimate the impact of a technical change like increasing the max possible block size, I think
14:51	jurov	^yes, thins needs no further comment
14:51	jurov	research would be too much, just keep kicking the can
14:51	williamdunne	Thats stoopid, definitely needs to be someone who doesn't care
14:53	jurov	still asking around, hopefully this time i'll end up with something
14:53	williamdunne	I would offer to help but not sure how much I could do without being physically there
14:54	jurov	yea, demand is for trustworthy machines ill put together myself
14:54	jurov	but i can run the whole setup by you, definitely
14:55	mircea_popescu	<jurov> damn, i could have some servers ready by now << aha ?
14:56	mircea_popescu	wd mod6 !
14:56	wyrdmantis	http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/05/05#l1430850750 << Lolz, Adlai strikes tru
14:56	assbot	BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1GYHfVg )
14:56	mod6	mircea_popescu: ty :]
14:56	mircea_popescu	what fucking "economists" for crying out loud.
14:57	mircea_popescu	the only economists qualified to discuss bitcoin are here, and afaik the consensus is "gavin is too dumb to understand how ridiculous he is"
14:59	danielpbarron	Luke-Jr, there's more than one way to attack a scamcoin (re: http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/05/05#l1430843591 )
14:59	assbot	BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1GYHKi3 )
14:59	mircea_popescu	shit, what have i started
15:01	mircea_popescu	jurov i don't understand this ddos thing. were you renting a vps ?
15:01	jurov	yes
15:01	mircea_popescu	ah.
15:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154750 @ 0.00023458 = 36.3013 BTC [+] {2}
15:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148450 @ 0.00023984 = 35.6042 BTC [+] {2}
15:12	ascii_field	192013
15:12	ascii_field	120309 (pogo, fired up ~2hr ago, currently ~50% ram used)
15:17	williamdunne	jurov: That'd be cool
15:23	mod6	!up ascii_field
15:31	williamdunne	I think the biggest issue will be physical security
15:31	williamdunne	Could do with some way of disabling power when certain triggers happen
15:31	ascii_field	wai wat
15:31	williamdunne	Which would drop any decrypted stuff hopefully
15:32	williamdunne	Jurov's DC idea
15:33	jurov	i can't do everything at once, such shenanigans may be added later
15:34	williamdunne	Sure, I appreciate that. Still better than most the crap out there
15:35	williamdunne	Roughly where in the world are you located? I know its Slovakia/Slovenia, but NESW?
15:35	jurov	if you read the logs, mircea supects someone gave the rack a hefty kick, damaging multiple drives in the raid
15:36	jurov	what's nesw?
15:36	jurov	apparently no data leaked bud rebuild was needed
15:36	williamdunne	North East South West
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15:36	jurov	bratislava, slovakia
15:39	williamdunne	Ah, if East could have access to some stuff in Ukraine easily. Can't imagine they would care too much for any bullshit, bigger stuff to deal with
15:39	jurov	but i don't know anyone i can trust in ukr
15:40	jurov	and ahuling servers throught the border can be pita
15:40	jurov	*hauling
15:40	trinque	going to need a #b-a undersea base
15:40	trinque	or space station
15:41	williamdunne	SeaStead
15:41	williamdunne	Volcano anyone?
15:41	jurov	liberland is actually closer than ukr or sea from here
15:42	williamdunne	Liberland might actually be a cool option, although no-one recognizes it yet so no-one would criticize the US for raiding a DC there, no?
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15:42	williamdunne	http://robocraftgarage.com/media/build/original/6b11da/abaed388b146946c2f0ec8bc26.png
15:42	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1KKgSRu )
15:42	jurov	but then i can prolly drop the servers into danube, either :DDD
15:43	jurov	we have our own secret service to raid the dc. and when they do it, they take everyone's stuff :D
15:43	williamdunne	Thats clever
15:44	williamdunne	And then promptly apply a healthy dosage of thermite to the HDDs
15:45	jurov	nice fantasy, but that would make my situation worse
15:46	williamdunne	And more expensive
15:46	williamdunne	What do you need, and is there anything I can help with. I'll happily speak to a couple of them for you, I've made harder sells before
15:46	jurov	couple of whom?
15:46	williamdunne	Potential DC people
15:47	williamdunne	The ones who previously turned down because of DDoS
15:48	BingoBoingo	williamdunne> Liberland might actually be a cool option, although no-one recognizes it yet so no-one would criticize the US for raiding a DC there, no? << Downside, no credible army makes Liberland easy to annex. Look at how easily Croatia bullies them.
15:48	mats	arxiv.org/pdf/1504.05647v1.pdf "A New Covert Channel over Cellular Voice Channel"
15:48	williamdunne	BingoBoingo: Has Croatia bullied them yet? All I've seen is the border closed which seems sane if its a separate country
15:49	jurov	lol. for example https://sk.linkedin.com/in/jbednar is locally recognized linux/libertard activist that has a company (digmia.com) which does some hosting, too
15:49	assbot	Juraj Bednar | LinkedIn ... ( http://bit.ly/1KKhExV )
15:50	BingoBoingo	williamdunne: But closed in which direction? If I recall they blocked people from leaving croatia... May be recalling wrong
15:50	williamdunne	BingoBoingo: I think they're not stopping anyone doing anything, just doing passports or summin
15:51	jurov	they tried to enter from croatia by road and ford, customs stopped them and barred the road
15:51	ascii_field	mats: ripoff of old paper ('11, irrc)
15:51	ascii_field	*iirc
15:51	jurov	then they tried to float from serbian side of danube , croatian customs detained them, too
15:52	mats	ascii_field: do you remember who may have authored it?
15:53	ascii_field	mats: not off the top of my head, but idea was same ('speechification' modem for using stock gsm chipsets on arbitrary bits)
15:56	BingoBoingo	!up ascii_field
16:00	ascii_field	'In the proposed channel, the voice call throughput was entirely occupied in order to convey covert information, and it achieved a throughput of 13 bps...' << l0l lamers
16:04	trinque	mod6: what'd that ext error end up being?
16:06	ascii_field	williamdunne et al: 'micronations' are interesting right up until you try actually using them for something (e.g., resisting usg dictate) and it gets bulldozed. so, approximately as interesting as a pistol that is guaranteed to explode in your hand.
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16:06	williamdunne	Seems like it can only work if it gets past a certain point
16:06	trinque	what point?
16:06	trinque	having its own nukes? lol
16:06	mod6	<+trinque> mod6: what'd that ext error end up being? << i needed to add the correct AKI to the AMI created from the Volume Snapshot.
16:07	ascii_field	williamdunne, trinque: the point of effective thermonukes + delivery vehicles
16:07	mod6	using 'default' just isn't the right thing.
16:07	williamdunne	trinque: Pretty much, or at least the point of being something equivalent to Hong Kong
16:07	ascii_field	hong kong was tolerated until it wasn't
16:07	trinque	williamdunne: doesn't seem like the chinese communists have had any trouble steamrolling hk
16:07	ascii_field	this kind of faux sovereignty may be interesting to some folks - but not me.
16:07	trinque	to the extent that it is still hk it is at their pleasure
16:08	williamdunne	Maybe Singapore is a better comparison
16:08	ascii_field	precisely same thing as hk
16:08	williamdunne	How so?
16:08	ascii_field	no teeth
16:08	williamdunne	Don't think they are meant to be outwardly aggressive
16:08	trinque	it's protecting against inward agression that's the issue
16:09	ascii_field	letting it be known that you will wreck usg is not 'aggressive' except to usg muppet theatre
16:10	williamdunne	Seems to be doing well, a lot of growth there and is well off compare to Malaysia,
16:10	williamdunne	*compared
16:10	ascii_field	ben_vulpes suggests that portland is also doing well
16:10	ascii_field	doesn't mean a thing re: sovereignty
16:11	ascii_field	somewhere not far from where i stand, a cow in a barn is doing well.
16:11	williamdunne	Ok, I see your point
16:11	williamdunne	They basically aren't against any US rhetoric
16:11	williamdunne	Regardless of reasons behind it
16:11	williamdunne	So the US has no need to crush them
16:11	ascii_field	if anything, they are more eager to enforce usg dictate than usg proper
16:12	ascii_field	(e.g., hanging suspected dope peddlers)
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16:12	williamdunne	I'd be interested in seeing what would happen if they were, off the top of my head outside of various south American shitholes I can't think of good examples of it
16:12	ascii_field	'suiciding' btc exchange folks
16:13	williamdunne	Iran maybe
16:13	williamdunne	'suiciding' btc exchange folks << eh?
16:14	trinque	the only things big enough to meaningfully oppose nato are russia and china
16:14	williamdunne	ascii_field: Think the dope one has more to do with Islam
16:14	trinque	certainly not some kind of sealand or things of that magnitude
16:14	ascii_field	williamdunne: http://rt.com/business/radtke-bitcoin-death-singapore-134 << that one
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16:14	assbot	Bitcoin CEO found dead in Singapore, suicide suspected — RT Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1KKjMFK )
16:14	trinque	every other political entity is busy playing their relationships with those big three against each other
16:14	trinque	williamdunne: like Iran which you bring up
16:15	trinque	being able to wreck continents gives you a bit of an advantage
16:15	ascii_field	not just 'advantage'
16:15	ascii_field	it is the requisite token to even play.
16:15	trinque	an understatement for sure
16:16	williamdunne	ascii_field: Its not the only exchange in Singapore by far, it probably was a suicide
16:16	williamdunne	ascii_field: Somehow I think Liberland will struggle to get even a single Trident sub
16:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141550 @ 0.00022736 = 32.1828 BTC [-]
16:17	trinque	I think it's foolish to think of it in terms of that
16:18	trinque	like there's gonna be some grand war of liberation
16:18	trinque	look at the scientologists... heh
16:18	trinque	they worm their way inside the machine
16:18	trinque	break it without ever letting it see you
16:20	trinque	scientology's tax exempt status is a goddamn hilarious defeat of usg
16:20	trinque	they win.
16:20	ascii_field	williamdunne: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-11-2014#934786 << pertinent thread
16:20	assbot	Logged on 26-11-2014 00:46:13; asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it.
16:21	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 239158 @ 0.00022736 = 54.375 BTC [-]
16:24	trinque	ascii_field: this is why I favor the idea of a capitalist political party more than some kind of conflict
16:25	trinque	International Capitalism!
16:25	trinque	imagine that
16:26	trinque	!up ascii_field
16:27	ascii_field	political party l0l
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16:27	trinque	ascii_field: worked for the communists
16:27	ascii_field	derps will vote for own gassing, yes
16:27	trinque	who said anything about voting
16:28	trinque	point is they aren't making more dirt
16:28	trinque	and the dirt we have is already occupied
16:28	ascii_field	recall napoleon's 'can do anything you want with a bayonet but to sit on it' ?
16:29	ascii_field	(or was it talleyrand ? )
16:30	trinque	ascii_field: I understand the quote to mean that militarism is good for destroying things, not for building a place to sit, eh?
16:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00024175 = 8.5338 BTC [+]
16:31	trinque	if a major war between the largest powers breaks out, there wont be much of a place to sit either
16:31	ascii_field	trinque: it also means that if you're on the throne, you gotta pander to derps to some extent - because this is implicit in ruling a naturally-occurring herd containing both halves of the 'bell curve'
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16:32	trinque	ascii_field: in TX for example I think anti-communism has teeth
16:32	trinque	provided the right screaming bastard to articulate it
16:33	trinque	TX is culturally already quite hierarchial, if not formally so
16:33	trinque	tons of business, and you can grab an average person off the street and get them yelling about socialism in about 5 sentences
16:34	trinque	were I in any position to do so, I'd encourage the states to pick fights with the federal govt
16:35	ascii_field	trinque: tx imports nothing from rest of usa ?
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16:35	ascii_field	american 'anti-communism' in all ages was a cartoon idiocy
16:35	ascii_field	again, tx is autarkik ?
16:35	trinque	ascii_field: https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/state/data/tx.html
16:35	assbot	State Exports from Texas ... ( http://bit.ly/1dLiC20 )
16:36	ascii_field	how is it fixed for orc control ?
16:38	trinque	http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/give-take-small-final.png
16:38	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1KKmHhN )
16:38	trinque	ascii_field: orc control how?
16:39	thestringpuller	https://medium.com/@octskyward/the-capacity-cliff-586d1bf7715e - "Finally, a brief word about my own background for those who don’t know me. I have spent the last five years implementing Bitcoin wallets, and before that I spent nearly 8 years at Google. Three of those years were spent on the Geo Team (Maps/Earth), where I was a professional capacity planner for one of the world’s busiest websites. Just like now, capacity pl
16:39	trinque	but I'd say being in a bad currency is one of the most obvious problems
16:39	ascii_field	trinque: this map only counts dollar-denominated payouts from usg to states
16:40	ascii_field	(and is it about cash flow to state gov. or to residents at large ? )
16:40	mats	i smell merit washing
16:41	trinque	mats: that's not something I can even respond to.
16:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2246 @ 0.00127713 = 2.8684 BTC [+] {10}
16:41	trinque	ascii_field: this is the ratio of federal taxes paid vs federal expenditure in the state
16:41	trinque	does not count defense contractors and such
16:41	trinque	that'd be the next question
16:41	ascii_field	thestringpuller: the usg muppets are in high gear, yes
16:42	ascii_field	what, srsly, is the next step after this idiocy, 'small blocks kill kittenz!!111!!11'
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16:43	ascii_field	in other news, pogo blew oom at 129647.
16:43	mats	trinque: was referring to thestringpuller's message
16:43	trinque	ah my mistake
16:44	trinque	ascii_field: http://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/ << claims 10 federal employees per 1000 in tx
16:44	assbot	2015’s States Most & Least Dependent on the Federal Government | WalletHub® ... ( http://bit.ly/1dLjKTf )
16:46	trinque	ascii_field | american 'anti-communism' in all ages was a cartoon idiocy << not talking about mccarthy here, but the average TX business owner
16:48	ascii_field	trinque: put a red flag and lenin face on it and sure, allergenic; but sell it as 'farm subsidies' and welfare-subsidized min wage slaveforce and it sells just fine
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16:48	ascii_field	to describe any kingdom where the crown is the largest economic actor in any terms other than socialist, is stark nonsense
16:48	ascii_field	branding does not matter here.
16:49	trinque	I don't think you're appraised of the cultural setting there.
16:49	ascii_field	cultural setting can be anything you like
16:49	ascii_field	but the economic reality there - communist.
16:50	trinque	on that point there's no disagreement.
16:51	trinque	but unless la serenissima intends to blast off for another planet, it's going to have to pick its battles
16:51	ascii_field	so far it runs the ancient cn algo of 'sit by the river and wait for your enemy's corpse to float by'
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16:52	trinque	when the fed falls over, Texas may well secede
16:52	trinque	and along the way it wouldn't surprise me for that state to grow ever-more independent of it
16:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82032 @ 0.00023359 = 19.1619 BTC [-]
16:52	trinque	there are at least people there who would welcome that
16:53	ascii_field	will be absorbed into aztlan in less than decade.
16:53	trinque	I don't buy that
16:54	ascii_field	where is their demographic vector pointing ?
16:55	trinque	for one, texas is more economically powerful than mexico, at least going by bullshit GDP numbers
16:56	trinque	as for the ratio of ethnic mexicans there, they're not lazy socialist ticks, that's for sure
16:56	trinque	hardest-working people there are
16:56	ascii_field	cow is more 'economically powerful' than farmer, sure
16:56	ascii_field	hardest-working is not the only metric
16:56	ascii_field	there is also 'willing to butcher town at a time to prove point'
16:57	ascii_field	so far mexico wins
16:58	asciilifeform	!up ascii_field
16:58	ascii_field	the aztlan thing is not about communism. it is about how there is (allegedly) an effective chingis khan operating in mexico
16:58	ascii_field	(by some accounts, he is dead. but new one will appear. it is good fertile ground for them.)
16:59	trinque	lots of military bases and equipment in TX
17:00	trinque	and the cops are used to dealing with well-armed gangs
17:00	ascii_field	there was an army, and police, in mexico as well
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17:01	trinque	maybe in southern california; in TX you don't see much of the waving of Mexican flags
17:01	ascii_field	there would not necessarily be a flag - just piles of skulls
17:03	trinque	say this fight began
17:03	trinque	what do you think the massively wealthy people living in various gated communities in tx would do?
17:03	trinque	what the political response might be
17:03	trinque	seems like a prime opportunity to demonstrate the failures of "give everyone a vote"
17:03	ascii_field	same thing they do now - ignore the reports of poor schmucks getting beheaded, and sit pretty in their forts
17:04	trinque	how is this distinct from the kind of privilege often discussed here?
17:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00022888 = 4.5776 BTC [-]
17:05	ascii_field	which one
17:05	trinque	ascii_field: I observe that there is *already* a privileged class in TX
17:05	ascii_field	aha
17:06	ascii_field	the fella in the fort doesn't get beheaded, but he will notice that the face that shows up to collect the benjies is a different color, one day, that's all.
17:07	ascii_field	and then it asks for 7.62 rounds instead of benjies, at some point.
17:08	trinque	ascii_field: if the gangs were a real problem in TX I'd expect the population to support treating it as military action instead of policework
17:08	trinque	the cops themselves are already rather terrifying there
17:08	trinque	and that's speaking as a white male that never had much trouble with them
17:09	trinque	and also the fact that most (and especially the wealthy) are heavily armed there
17:09	ascii_field	su police were likewise intimidating. but this did not stop them from turning free agent when central gov. collapsed.
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17:10	trinque	were there states which were more self-reliant in the SU that fared better in the aftermath?
17:10	trinque	I am unfamiliar.
17:10	ascii_field	depends on your notion of 'better'
17:11	ascii_field	none were both nutritionally and industrially self-contained
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17:13	trinque	ascii_field: the prevailing politics there pre-collapse wouldn't help, I'd think
17:14	trinque	I'd like to find numbers on the agricultural situation in TX, but I know there's quite a bit of it
17:15	trinque	also re: Mexico their cashflow relies on USAians buying drugs, neh?
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17:15	trinque	at least the power structure I understand you to be referring to
17:16	trinque	this could all very well be my own inability to imagine how collapse occurs.
17:16	trinque	still I think there's a lot culturally and economically in tx that's valuable
17:16	lobbes	looks like Texas gets around 102 $billion from Mexico via exports
17:17	lobbes	https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/state/data/tx.html
17:17	assbot	State Exports from Texas ... ( http://bit.ly/1JOHjrw )
17:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94630 @ 0.00022325 = 21.1261 BTC [-] {2}
17:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35570 @ 0.00021959 = 7.8108 BTC [-] {2}
17:21	lobbes	not sure how you'd measure black market economic activity, but this article claims 25% of Mexican GDP is such:
17:21	lobbes	http://www.worldcrunch.com/business-finance/the-threat-of-mexico-039-s-massive-undergound-economy/shadow-economy-gdp-black-market-employment-benefits-taxes/c2s16698/#.VUkz95O0K20
17:21	assbot	The Threat Of Mexico's Massive Undergound Economy ... ( http://bit.ly/1JOHGlP )
17:22	lobbes	but, 'GDP' is dubious enough as is as a metric
17:24	ascii_field	http://milianw.de/blog/heaptrack-a-heap-memory-profiler-for-linux << ben_vulpes, mod6, et al
17:24	assbot	Heaptrack - A Heap Memory Profiler for Linux | Milian Wolff ... ( http://bit.ly/1JOHOle )
17:24	ascii_field	anyone tried ?
17:26	ascii_field	(it refuses to build on any of my boxes)
17:28	ascii_field	later tonight i might do a valgrind with 'massif' with --pages-as-heap=yes
17:29	asciilifeform	!up ascii_field
17:29	ascii_field	http://valgrind.org/docs/manual/ms-manual.html#ms-manual.not-measured << it
17:29	assbot	Valgrind ... ( http://bit.ly/1KKrjo5 )
17:30	ascii_field	ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu et al ^^
17:34	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121302 << everyone in slovakia is in bratislava.
17:34	assbot	Logged on 05-05-2015 19:36:42; williamdunne: North East South West
17:34	mircea_popescu	seeing how the entire country is roughly the size of the town's suburbs
17:37	jurov	notrly, there are other 2 million in the far end
17:38	jurov	but it's chumps everywhere
17:39	jurov	corruption scandal related to most expensive highways/km worldwide? but we're playing hockey now and must have a new national stadium built!
17:40	mircea_popescu	im pretty sure romania has the most expensive highway km
17:40	ascii_field	not usa?!
17:41	mircea_popescu	usa hasn't built a highway since 1985
17:41	jurov	it's at least 18m eur/kilometer
17:42	mircea_popescu	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Ohio-Serbia01.jpg << check it out, the tram conductors' corps
17:42	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1KKsnbq )
17:42	trinque	mircea_popescu: http://texas.construction.com/projects/0506_TC_Top10hwy.pdf
17:42	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1KKsnbD )
17:42	trinque	I'll convince you all that TX is the future break-away state yet.
17:43	mircea_popescu	http://www.antena3.ro/economic/auto/cum-arata-cea-mai-scumpa-autostrada-din-lume-9-miliarde-de-dolari-pentru-40-de-kilometri-277914.html << there. 9bn for 40 kms. BIOTCH.
17:43	assbot	Cum arată cea mai SCUMPĂ autostradă din lume. 9 MILIARDE de dolari pentru 40 de kilometri ... ( http://bit.ly/1KKsrIo )
17:43	BingoBoingo	ascii_field: (by some accounts, he is dead. but new one will appear. it is good fertile ground for them.) << Several, appear to operate on clear iterative succession.
17:43	lobbes	usa hasn't built a highway since 1985 << maintenance surely a money-pit though?
17:44	mircea_popescu	lobbes inasmuch as anything's still maintained (kinda spotty, this)
17:44	lobbes	true
17:45	jurov	ah we're doing maximal price, you beat me. they managed 75 km for 9mld.
17:45	ascii_field	mircea_popescu: we have ~4BN for a 40km road (maryland 200) here
17:45	mircea_popescu	can't beat teh russians.
17:45	ascii_field	nm, 28km
17:45	mircea_popescu	still not good enough!!1 :D
17:45	ascii_field	4bn usd for 28km.
17:45	ascii_field	usa
17:46	mircea_popescu	9bn for 40km. soci.
17:46	ascii_field	mega-road.
17:48	mircea_popescu	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transport_megaprojects << gotta love the navelgazingikia.
17:48	assbot	List of transport megaprojects - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1KKsPGV )
17:50	BingoBoingo	Illinois constantly tears up perfectly smooth rural highways for repaving with proper asphalt, the Missouri legislature debates letting their rural highways (the letter ones) revert from crude tarmac to plain macadam
17:51	BingoBoingo	Federalism leads to some discrepancies between bezzel projects across state lines
17:51	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121313 << a dc where dude ?
17:51	assbot	Logged on 05-05-2015 19:42:05; williamdunne: Liberland might actually be a cool option, although no-one recognizes it yet so no-one would criticize the US for raiding a DC there, no?
17:51	mircea_popescu	you can't build a dc atop a limb of danube silt.
17:51	mircea_popescu	you can't actually even build a mall.
17:52	williamdunne	When I first came here, this was all swamp. Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, Lad, the strongest castle in all of England.
17:53	mircea_popescu	the lad also has to marry the daughter of the largest tracts of open pigfarms in all england.
17:54	williamdunne	Thats fine, he can just take a mistress
17:54	williamdunne	I'm sure there would be a queer guard somewhere in the armoury
17:55	williamdunne	What is the male equivalent of a mistress?
17:55	BingoBoingo	williamdunne: Locally they are building a new hospital with Obamacare bezzel in the epicenter of mine subsidence (building rules prohitbit houses with basements in the middle of tornado county the issue is so prevalent)
17:56	mircea_popescu	marrying http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121342 to http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/
17:56	assbot	Logged on 05-05-2015 20:06:04; ascii_field: williamdunne et al: 'micronations' are interesting right up until you try actually using them for something (e.g., resisting usg dictate) and it gets bulldozed. so, approximately as interesting as a pistol that is guaranteed to explode in your hand.
17:56	assbot	The problem of enforcement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GZa7N3 )
17:56	BingoBoingo	williamdunne: A mister
17:56	williamdunne	They can just tax some more to build the three following hospitals
17:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39750 @ 0.00022712 = 9.028 BTC [+]
17:57	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo what's the logic there ? why no basements ?
17:57	BingoBoingo	williamdunne: Well private hosptial, but it is great at milking medicaid for its part of the building
17:58	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Many of the mines are shallow enough that it's possible to dig into some supports and trigger some collapsing
17:58	mircea_popescu	oh, wait, you people built houses on top of an abandoned minefield ?
17:58	BingoBoingo	All the time
17:58	ascii_field	mine, as in coal
17:59	mircea_popescu	why the fuck ? not enough land in the usa ?
18:00	BingoBoingo	Nah, towns that burnt the coal got full so where the mines were become "subdivisions" with the vinyl siding and roads that occasionally crack and shift
18:00	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121371 << that's in no way related to usg. they have hanging dope peddlers forever, with a brief interruption while britain bullied them into stopping it because it had no other trade goods available.
18:00	assbot	Logged on 05-05-2015 20:12:04; ascii_field: (e.g., hanging suspected dope peddlers)
18:01	lobbes	!up ascii_field
18:01	BingoBoingo	;;google belleville 15 mine subsidence
18:01	gribble	Planned Coal Mine Subsidence in Illinois: A Public Information Booklet: <http://isgs.illinois.edu/sites/isgs/files/files/c573.pdf>; Mine Subsidence - St. Clair County: <http://www.co.st-clair.il.us/departments/mapping/Pages/mines.aspx>; Mine collapse damages several homes - KSDK.com: <http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/illinois/2015/04/09/mine-collapse-damages-several- (1 more message)
18:02	BingoBoingo	;;google mine "illinois 15"
18:02	gribble	List of History of Illinois Coal Mine Disasters: <http://www.hinton-gen.com/coal/disasters.html>; Coal Mines of Franklin County, Illinois: <http://hinton-gen.com/coal/franklin_mines.html>; Coal and Coal Mining - Gillespie, Illinois: <http://gillespieil.com/gillespie/mining.html>
18:02	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121379 << dude srsly... wtf is "first meta". no woman got killed by lizard hitler because of words she wrote on her blog. whatever the pretense they were purporting to put forth, "bitcoin exchange", "intercepting cia with her dentures", etc.
18:02	assbot	Logged on 05-05-2015 20:14:33; ascii_field: williamdunne: http://rt.com/business/radtke-bitcoin-death-singapore-134 << that one
18:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00022888 = 3.8566 BTC [+]
18:02	BingoBoingo	;;google st elezabeth ofallon
18:02	gribble	O'Fallon Medical Building - St. Eliz - St. Elizabeth's Hospital: <http://www.steliz.org/services/ofallon-medical-building/>; Welcome to HSHS St. Elizabeth's Hospital - St. Eliz: <http://www.steliz.org/>; St. Elizabeth's to move new hospital to O'Fallon, Ill.; Belleville mayor ...: <http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/illinois/st-elizabeth-s-to-move-new-hospital-to-o-fallon (1 more message)
18:02	williamdunne	mircea_popescu: Currently it allows you to trade dollars for linden dollars
18:03	mircea_popescu	yaya.
18:03	BingoBoingo	A bit further north http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/illinois/illinois-district-replacing-elementary-school-ruined-by-collapsing-mine/article_ef5a27fa-df51-5c36-b52c-eaf53b1b905a.html
18:04	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121404 << ftr he's readiong between the lines correctly.
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18:04	assbot	Logged on 05-05-2015 20:27:33; ascii_field: political party l0l
18:04	mircea_popescu	im not making a different country. i'm making THESE countries. let the reds make "their own country", on fucking mars preferably.
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18:05	trinque	we're not making more dirt.
18:06	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121415 << this is by no means either well studied or soundly proven.
18:06	assbot	Logged on 05-05-2015 20:31:41; ascii_field: trinque: it also means that if you're on the throne, you gotta pander to derps to some extent - because this is implicit in ruling a naturally-occurring herd containing both halves of the 'bell curve'
18:06	*	ascii_field does not assert this hypothesis as hard fact. but bets on it
18:06	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121421 << us imports everything through tx, ca and ny. mostly tx.
18:06	assbot	Logged on 05-05-2015 20:35:02; ascii_field: trinque: tx imports nothing from rest of usa ?
18:08	mircea_popescu	http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/give-take-small-final.png << lol at the 0.30 of delaware.
18:08	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GZbKKL )
18:10	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121441 << i am very much amused at the late game, desperate attempts of the tools to play up their imaginary qualifications and generally certificatorily merit wash.
18:10	assbot	Logged on 05-05-2015 20:42:35; ascii_field: what, srsly, is the next step after this idiocy, 'small blocks kill kittenz!!111!!11'
18:10	mircea_popescu	seriously, mike hearn isn't the slimy fucktard we all know ? he's some sort of google expert now ? allow me to lulz for a spell.
18:11	ascii_field	expect him to wipe his arse with 7 ph.d. diplomas before this is over.
18:11	ascii_field	and five 'nobels.'
18:11	mircea_popescu	;;later tell mike_hearn suppose you chill it with the pretense of my-google-job-is-my-social-proof so the huge pile of embarassing emails etc won't have to be leaked. google's been embarassed enough this year already.
18:11	gribble	The operation succeeded.
18:12	mircea_popescu	ascii_field you play bridge any ?
18:12	ascii_field	nope
18:12	ascii_field	once learned how, but not enough people.
18:12	mircea_popescu	okay. but you know what finessing is right ?
18:12	ascii_field	that deck o'cards (inherited from brother) did play a lot of it.
18:12	ascii_field	back in the stone age.
18:12	ascii_field	aha
18:13	mircea_popescu	myeah. so teh usg has all these minor muppets it keeps trying to use in that manner. get the majors out so they can finally play
18:13	mircea_popescu	except unlike bridge, irl does not have discrete mandatory tricks.
18:14	ascii_field	this is a kind of professional disease of agent masters, yes
18:14	mircea_popescu	and honestly i don't suspect the entire array actually contains one head apt enough to fucking finesse me. what is this, the future ?!
18:15	ascii_field	meanwhile...
18:15	ascii_field	200005.
18:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102000 @ 0.00022888 = 23.3458 BTC [+]
18:22	pete_dushenski	whoa, sec makes us companies report on 'climate change.' why not make them report what they ate for lunch ?
18:24	pete_dushenski	so says, David Pogue, Global Director of Corporate Responsibility, CBRE
18:24	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 384430 @ 0.00021999 = 84.5708 BTC [-] {4}
18:24	pete_dushenski	for what that's worth
18:26	mircea_popescu	www.ceres.org/files/investor-files/sec-guidance-fact-sheet
18:28	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121448 << not that fine in texas.
18:28	assbot	Logged on 05-05-2015 20:48:13; ascii_field: trinque: put a red flag and lenin face on it and sure, allergenic; but sell it as 'farm subsidies' and welfare-subsidized min wage slaveforce and it sells just fine
18:29	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121456 << believe it or not there are people for whom this actually works.
18:29	assbot	Logged on 05-05-2015 20:51:52; ascii_field: so far it runs the ancient cn algo of 'sit by the river and wait for your enemy's corpse to float by'
18:30	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121476 << not really.
18:30	assbot	Logged on 05-05-2015 21:00:52; ascii_field: there was an army, and police, in mexico as well
18:30	mircea_popescu	when, this ?
18:30	mircea_popescu	!up wpalczynski
18:32	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121495 << this is not actually true, ftr. the police itself never turned free agent ; the army afaik didn't in ru (it did in ro, but diff story there). individuals, of course. but individuals are individuals.
18:32	assbot	Logged on 05-05-2015 21:09:45; ascii_field: su police were likewise intimidating. but this did not stop them from turning free agent when central gov. collapsed.
18:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00021201 = 4.2402 BTC [-]
18:34	Adlai	does the egyptian army count as "free agent"?
18:34	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121499 << finland, romania, poland, germany, bohemia, yugoslavia even.
18:34	assbot	Logged on 05-05-2015 21:11:25; ascii_field: none were both nutritionally and industrially self-contained
18:34	mircea_popescu	Adlai i would say egypt is copying the turkish style to a decent degree. turkey is afaik the only stable situation with a free agent army.
18:35	mircea_popescu	problem is for all the linguistic and (ancient) cultural differences, misr is still stuck in the islam pit.
18:35	*	Adlai didn't follow the egyptian 'spring' too closely, but it seemed to be a general process of the army becoming a free agent, and the public not disliking that sufficiently for another revolt (or not having a second army handy to oust the first)
18:36	mircea_popescu	was free agent b4. current fossil replaced previous (anwar saddat) at a military parade.
18:39	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121502 << you have to understand something essential about drugs : they aren't products. this in the sense that their flux isn't pull, it's push (which is why the sellers are called pushers). so no, the mexican economy does not rely on others buying drugs anymore than britain's economy relied on chinese buying opium.
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18:39	assbot	Logged on 05-05-2015 21:15:17; trinque: also re: Mexico their cashflow relies on USAians buying drugs, neh?
18:39	mircea_popescu	the others' abjection is enforced by the forcing of drugs upon them. exactly backwards from commerce.
18:39	mircea_popescu	pimp doesn't "sell" meth to the crack whore.
18:40	trinque	that makes sense
18:40	mircea_popescu	pimp fleeces crack whore with the meth.
18:40	scoopbot_revived	News! The Chinese blackbox. URL: http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/05/the-chinese-blackbox/
18:40	pete_dushenski	it worx!
18:40	pete_dushenski	unban me plz
18:43	mircea_popescu	lol
18:44	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform masif is a worthy move. never used the other thing, no.
18:45	mircea_popescu	mod6 incidentally, a count of memory allocation of the entire codebase by function would be another worthy goal. just how much mmap, mremap, brk etc does it do.
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18:49	mod6	agreed, so noted.
18:50	BingoBoingo	So yardwork story from today. This year we've had a bumper crop of what I though were bumblebees move it, turns out they are carpenter bees. Rather harmless things I'm trimming trees the squirrels planted in the flower beds and the big bees are just buzzing around pollinating the shit out of the columbine... Yellowjacket wasp gets the jump on one of the bees near me and as I retreat because fuck yellow jackets, all of the carpente
18:50	BingoBoingo	r bees start raping the shit out of the yellow jacket.
18:50	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo lmao dat first line. SO SURREALIST.
18:51	BingoBoingo	Seriously
18:51	BingoBoingo	So surreal
18:51	BingoBoingo	Bodyguard bees.
18:52	Adlai	what is bee shit, and how does it get raped? stinging?
18:52	Adlai	actually the pertinent shit is that of the jacket
18:52	mircea_popescu	metaphors are metaphorical.
18:52	Adlai	the pertinent question is "stinging?"
18:53	BingoBoingo	Adlai: Well the stinger is part of their reproductive organ, so stinging==rape
18:54	BingoBoingo	;;google yellowjacket
18:54	gribble	Yellowjackets Online: Welcome To The Official Yellowjackets Website!: <http://yellowjackets.com/>; Yellowjacket (Marvel Comics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowjacket_(Marvel_Comics)>; Yellow jacket - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_jacket>
18:54	BingoBoingo	;;google yellowjacket wasp
18:54	gribble	Yellow jacket - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_jacket>; How to Kill Get Rid Yellow Jacket Nest | Yellow Jacket Control: <http://www.doyourownpestcontrol.com/yellowjackets.htm>; What is a Wasp-Hornet-Yellowjacket-Bee? - Colorado State University: <http://www.colostate.edu/Dept/CoopExt/4DMG/Pests/whatis.htm>
18:54	*	Adlai is wondering about the effectiveness of thwacking the stinger against the arthropod exoskeleton
18:54	BingoBoingo	Adlai: Yellowjackets look like mircea_popescu's familiar european wasp, but sting with greater effect
18:55	Adlai	not sure what else bees can do, though... suffocate it with honey?
18:55	mircea_popescu	the common polen wasp as found in yurp doesn't really sting worth a shit.
18:55	*	Adlai is familiar with the yellowjacket, it was the first insect to ever attack him
18:55	Adlai	(within surviving memory)
18:56	mircea_popescu	Adlai a friend living in texas at a time was covered by fire ants as an infant, during a brief break in parental care.
18:56	trinque	ouch
18:56	Adlai	re:drugs, one of my stoner friends has a theory that the real fleecers are the plants
18:56	mircea_popescu	imgine, leave your toddler in its thing out by the apple tree, come back with some pie, ants dragging it away
18:57	mircea_popescu	"we found a worm! hey everyone! big juicy worm right here!"
18:57	Adlai	ie, genus Cannabis, like genus Triticum before it, has domesticated the monkeys
18:57	mircea_popescu	Adlai on what (other than ganja) is this theory predicated ?
18:58	Adlai	the fact that humans, upon discovering any naturally occurring psychoactive, generally attempt to ensure its survival
18:58	Adlai	a notable exception to this being peyote, which has been almost driven extinct
18:58	mircea_popescu	grain did a lot better by this metric.
18:59	BingoBoingo	One of the carpenter bees on some Columbine http://imgur.com/EllagIW
18:59	assbot	Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1PneaSB )
18:59	Adlai	yet peyote survives in private gardens, as does cannabis, and psilocybe, and claviceps, and...
19:00	jurov	if some psychoactives were eradicated, how would you know?
19:01	Adlai	if some trees fell silently, how would you know?
19:02	Adlai	oh, not to mention coca and poppies! but in the case of meth, that really is just a case of one person fucking another
19:04	Adlai	the pimp best at this is young kim
19:07	BingoBoingo	Adlai: Peyote is kind of a victim of its native environment
19:12	mircea_popescu	Adlai and lice, crabs, threadworms, bad clothing, warm beer, nose hairs, dresses in unflattering colors, lanky adolescent girls and cavities.
19:13	mircea_popescu	ya know ?
19:13	Adlai	not quite
19:14	cazalla	BingoBoingo, do you eat that columbine plant?
19:14	mircea_popescu	(by the way, oxyuriasis is one of the major risks of rimming)
19:15	Adlai	some "symbiotic" relationships are downright parasitic; others are less so
19:17	BingoBoingo	cazalla: The columbine are totally poisonpus
19:18	cazalla	BingoBoingo, so wikipedia would've got me killed for eating the leaves eh lol
19:19	BingoBoingo	cazalla: Leaves might not be bad. The stuff bacically crowds a flowerbed like a weed, but looks pretty so it gets to live
19:20	BingoBoingo	I dunno if the whole plant is poisonous, but enough parts are to leave it to the bees
19:32	BingoBoingo	!up teek
19:32	BingoBoingo	!up WolfGoethe
19:32	BingoBoingo	!up t4nk
19:34	ben_vulpes	<BingoBoingo> williamdunne: A mister << nice one, mister
19:38	ben_vulpes	<mircea_popescu> http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/give-take-small-final.png << lol at the 0.30 of delaware. << oregon has a good ticket on the bezzletrain. and i'd wager with the new governor, will procure ever more for favored classes.
19:38	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1KKB5GG )
19:38	ben_vulpes	(also, heya holtzy!)
19:40	mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes he'd better, because the only way that thing can exist is via subsidies. like the student dorm
19:40	ben_vulpes	ooooooh do i have some lulz for YOU
19:40	mircea_popescu	we take lulz today/
19:41	*	asciilifeform raises periscope
19:41	ben_vulpes	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Brown << new guber
19:41	assbot	Kate Brown - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1KKBdGh )
19:42	mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes so what about it ?
19:43	ben_vulpes	familiar with the john kitzhaber story?
19:44	ben_vulpes	http://www.wweek.com/portland/tag-0-2-John+Kitzhaber.html << some stuff
19:44	assbot	Contents relevant to "John Kitzhaber" ... ( http://bit.ly/1EW0PPS )
19:44	*	asciilifeform fired up valgrind-massif with --pages-as-heap=yes
19:45	ben_vulpes	http://www.portlandmercury.com/BlogtownPDX/archives/2015/02/12/the-john-kitzhaber-and-cylvia-hayes-scandal-a-handy-primer << some shorthand
19:45	assbot	The John Kitzhaber and Cylvia Hayes Scandal: A Handy Primer | Blogtown, PDX | Portland Mercury ... ( http://bit.ly/1EW0Xia )
19:45	ben_vulpes	guy got in bed with a girl
19:45	ben_vulpes	girl took him for a few tens of ks or hundreds, depending on how one looks at it
19:46	ben_vulpes	leveraged herself into a "first lady of oregon" type situation
19:46	ben_vulpes	(not even married, lolariously)
19:46	mircea_popescu	what part of this is the scandal ?
19:46	danielpbarron	Brown is the state's second female governor, after Barbara Roberts, as well as the first openly bisexual governor in US history.
19:46	ben_vulpes	y'know i've yet to figure that out myself
19:47	mircea_popescu	i don't get it, so dude has a girlfriend.
19:47	ben_vulpes	the funny part is how bent people got
19:48	mircea_popescu	does nobody in oregon have a gf ?
19:49	ben_vulpes	the kind that work, pay for themselves, refuse to suck cock - sure
19:49	mircea_popescu	in other news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q
19:49	assbot	George Carlin ~ The American Dream - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EW1hgM )
19:50	mircea_popescu	if only it were the case that people are lazy and stupid because lizard hitler.
19:50	BingoBoingo	!up jonvaage
19:50	mircea_popescu	yo t4nk fix that connection before you end up on a ban list.
19:51	BingoBoingo	!up t4nk
19:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 280300 @ 0.00020858 = 58.465 BTC [-] {2}
19:51	BingoBoingo	Ah Oregon, the success story founded by the Klan
19:54	ben_vulpes	ethnic homogeneity is a heckuva legacy
19:55	BingoBoingo	Well, its true.
19:56	ben_vulpes	don't i know it!
19:56	ben_vulpes	and live it
19:57	BingoBoingo	I've seen the legacy sprinkeled about around here, but nothing on the scale you got going on
19:58	asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121663 << as far as i can tell, the db isn't fully synchronous...
19:58	assbot	Logged on 05-05-2015 22:45:57; mircea_popescu: mod6 incidentally, a count of memory allocation of the entire codebase by function would be another worthy goal. just how much mmap, mremap, brk etc does it do.
19:58	ben_vulpes	mod6, trinque, asciilifeform, anyone else interested in the "what happens in der clord": http://slides.com/technolo-g/intro-to-unikernels-and-erlang-on-xen-ling-demo
19:58	assbot	Look ma, no OS! Deploying an Erlang/OTP application as a LING unikernel in EC2 by Matt Bajor ... ( http://bit.ly/1KKCwoD )
19:58	trinque	interesante
19:58	jonvaage	How much good does homogeneity help if the predominant culture is fucked?
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19:59	*	asciilifeform enjoyed the original erlang book, but did not enjoy attempting to write in it
19:59	asciilifeform	('concurrent prog. in erlang', armstrong 1996)
19:59	ben_vulpes	jonvaage: and how'd you know anything about culture around here?
19:59	jurov	!down ben_vulpes
20:00	jurov	these slides are useless
20:00	ben_vulpes	go on, jurov
20:00	ben_vulpes	maybe to *you*
20:00	jurov	nope. my eyes hurt
20:00	ben_vulpes	but i don't actually know how modern virtualization even works, so...decent content.
20:00	ben_vulpes	diddle the stylesheet yourself! sheesh.
20:01	BingoBoingo	I'm with jurov, I don't see no slides at all.
20:01	trinque	yer js is off
20:01	asciilifeform	just when no one imagined slide could be more of a torment...
20:01	asciilifeform	2d slide decks.
20:01	trinque	lol teh kvetching
20:01	jurov	you really can't find anything that does't need 20 times clicking throught "But really?"
20:01	ben_vulpes	clicking?
20:01	ben_vulpes	are your arrow keys broken?
20:01	BingoBoingo	jonvaage: Not much at all.
20:01	asciilifeform	also we did 'rump kernel' here
20:01	asciilifeform	!s rump kernel
20:02	assbot	0 results for 'rump kernel' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rump+kernel
20:02	ben_vulpes	https://twitter.com/jonathanvaage << jonvaage is this you?
20:02	assbot	Jonathan Vaage (@JonathanVaage) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1EW2xRd )
20:02	asciilifeform	scam
20:02	asciilifeform	it doesn't 'remove os' but replaces linux with a bizarre academiturd
20:02	jurov	i never used arrow keys in a browser
20:02	asciilifeform	and 'virtualized drivers' are just passing the real os buck to the virtualizer
20:02	asciilifeform	which somehow 'doesn't count' aha
20:02	asciilifeform	what a crock'o'shit
20:03	asciilifeform	this is a prime example of mircea_popescu's 'death by meta'
20:03	jonvaage	Yessir
20:03	asciilifeform	the extra insult is in the fact that the thing that these derps pretend to do, in fact direly needs doing
20:04	asciilifeform	and the idiotic scam helps to discourage the few folks who might yet do it.
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20:04	ben_vulpes	that thing being running without an os?
20:04	jurov	can't learn to chroot stuff properly, instead keep throwing virtualized turds around
20:04	asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: aha
20:04	ben_vulpes	academiturd << would be?
20:04	asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: more broadly, the removal of complexity layers
20:05	asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: http://rumpkernel.org << see for yourself.
20:05	assbot	Rump Kernels ... ( http://bit.ly/1KKD3ah )
20:05	BingoBoingo	<ben_vulpes> academiturd << would be? << Minix 3 et al
20:05	BingoBoingo	Plan9, etc
20:05	jonvaage	ben_vulpes: My question homogeneity is not a feigned slight at any particular culture but a question on the inherent virtue of homogeneity alone.
20:05	asciilifeform	the whole 'microkernel' thing is a '80s u.s. academitardation that never seems to go to rest in its grave
20:06	asciilifeform	one of 1,001 flavours of lipstick folks attempted to make the unix pig fuckable with.
20:06	ben_vulpes	jonvaage: you'd not eat salt for dinner, would you?
20:07	ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: you hold this attitude about rump as well?
20:07	asciilifeform	aha
20:08	ben_vulpes	aw, did the twitter guy leave?
20:08	ben_vulpes	i gather the friendly micro-dos is back
20:08	asciilifeform	it'd have some appeal if the net result was something like 1) 100x fewer lines of code 2) written by wot man in good standing
20:08	BingoBoingo	homogentity is great when you are talking about a fleet of taxis, poor if you are talking about your food supply post nuclear war
20:09	BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: Seems to be a member of the poor connections party
20:09	asciilifeform	but what i see is the complexity buck being passed
20:09	asciilifeform	to 'xen' etc.
20:09	asciilifeform	this - needs to die, in a fire.
20:09	asciilifeform	the pretentious derps, just think of it.
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20:09	asciilifeform	imagine themselves 'os devs'
20:10	ben_vulpes	something like that.
20:10	*	ben_vulpes off to tequila with birthday staff
20:11	*	BingoBoingo starting to consider potential replacement laptops, bitcoind having outgrown being a feasible background process fulltime on this machine.
20:13	jurov	give it extra hdd
20:15	jurov	er..i mean, its own
20:15	mod6	lol. im like o.0
20:15	mod6	<+asciilifeform> 2d slide decks. << that
20:15	mod6	heheh, "what 5 slides??"
20:16	BingoBoingo	jurov: It's the CPU's ability to shed heat that's the limiting factor.
20:16	trinque	mod6: I question the geometry of this cube my head's apparently in
20:17	trinque	reminds me of the shitty desktop switchers that everyone had an orgasm over when compiz became a thing
20:17	mod6	heheh
20:17	asciilifeform	the 2d slide deck is like a retarded kid, who others have learned to ignore, and somewhere he found a loudspeaker 'so they can't ignore any longer1111!!!11'
20:18	asciilifeform	this needs to be burned out, with hot irons.
20:18	mod6	haha
20:18	BingoBoingo	I'm either going to to have to move this machines fan replacement schedule from every ~18 months to 6, stop taking this machine out in the garage to smoke with me, rent a machine to use as an electrum server, or find a beefier machine
20:21	jurov	*BingoBoingo descends to a damsel in distress
20:21	williamdunne	Electrum server is probably a good option
20:21	williamdunne	You can stick it up on some cheap VPS
20:21	williamdunne	Not like they can steal your keys
20:21	BingoBoingo	jurov: Not distress, just vexation since I've had to resort to supplementing with an external fan way too early in this machine's lifecycle
20:22	BingoBoingo	williamdunne: but they can steal knowledge of which keys are mine
20:23	BingoBoingo	williamdunne: Also I worked so hard to chop together a kind of Bitcoin that works on OpenBSD
20:24	jurov	or you can sprinkle sleep(1) calls in the ecdsa code
20:24	mircea_popescu	fixed sleep doesnt help so much.
20:25	jurov	oh, you tried?
20:26	BingoBoingo	It throttles down alright, just baseline sync'd Bitcoin cpu consumption on this machine is higher than it is for 720p video
20:27	BingoBoingo	Then again that could just be good video drivers
20:30	scoopbot_revived	News! Ripple Labs Fined for Violating Bank Secrecy Act URL: http://qntra.net/2015/05/ripple-labs-fined-for-violating-bank-secrecy-act/
20:36	*	BingoBoingo comparing the comparative merits of the thinkpad X201s and X220
20:44	mircea_popescu	jurov not something that is established experimentally, either
20:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 322700 @ 0.00019525 = 63.0072 BTC [-] {2}
20:45	mircea_popescu	so wait, the violation of "bank secrecy act" consists of having kept banking secrets ?
20:45	mircea_popescu	gotta love minitruth :D
20:46	mircea_popescu	but whatever, horowitz can pay. they can push back and forth the same million in qe, taxes, fines, donations, govt contracting and whatever until they fall over. every 1000 times they do it, the "gdp" goes up by 0.0001% or w/e
20:48	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121763 << how much does structural integrity help if the plane's headed to its crash site ?
20:48	assbot	Logged on 05-05-2015 23:58:52; jonvaage: How much good does homogeneity help if the predominant culture is fucked?
20:48	mircea_popescu	depends. if you regain control, a lot. if you don't, itdoesn't make a difference anyway. a bagful of dandelion fluff is never going to make an airplane anyway
20:50	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1121797 << i've never seen worthy folks as easily discouraged as these imaginary ones of yours. what's next, dildos discourage men from fucking women, because they behold them rubbing on the dongs and get all flaccid ?
20:50	assbot	Logged on 06-05-2015 00:04:04; asciilifeform: and the idiotic scam helps to discourage the few folks who might yet do it.
20:51	mircea_popescu	in a functioning sexconomy, bad surogates on display are arousing not depressing.
20:51	thestringpuller	/wind 7
20:51	thestringpuller	:(
20:52	*	williamdunne doesn't understand how homegenity of any particular racial group can be useful, when most cultural traits are specific to individuals regardless of racial group.
20:52	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1121821 << shuttup you hater you. i drive cabs around ba all the time! and i also cooked a steak and made myself coffee today.
20:52	assbot	Logged on 06-05-2015 00:09:48; asciilifeform: the pretentious derps, just think of it.
20:53	mircea_popescu	williamdunne less time wasted identifying the idiots, which need to be oppressed ?
20:53	williamdunne	How can you do that with a racial group though? I think this group testifies to that as we're from all over
20:54	williamdunne	The only real common trait is male
20:54	mircea_popescu	that's kinda what happens with racial stereotypes. if you grow up among white people, you immediately recognize white trash. black people don't register properly in this scheme, so your mental heuristic (correctly) just assigns the trash bit to all of them.
20:54	mircea_popescu	and if they don't like it, let them look more like upstanding white folk.
20:55	mircea_popescu	obviously all this is pointless once we have internets and wots and so on. but for a long time before now...
20:55	mircea_popescu	it was the only way.
20:55	williamdunne	So, just to be clear. The difference is you can tell who shitty white people are, but you can't tell who shitty black people are?
20:56	mircea_popescu	well, the "you" of the example.
20:56	mircea_popescu	heck, most monocultural folk can't even DISTINGUISH people of other races.
20:57	williamdunne	Can't say I've really experienced that personally
20:57	mircea_popescu	where you from ?
20:58	williamdunne	South West of England, its like 99% white
20:58	mircea_popescu	well, maybe you're more perceptive than most.
20:58	williamdunne	The biggest city here is 96.2% white
20:58	williamdunne	Lol
20:59	williamdunne	Maybe, I know at secondary school I wasn't the only one without the issue
20:59	williamdunne	Well, as far as I could tell
20:59	williamdunne	Occasional racist jokes but the couple of Asian kids and couple of black kids were just viewed as other kids
21:00	mircea_popescu	so if you get mugged by a korean guy you can confidently pick him up out of a line-up of six other korean guys, same age same height ?
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21:00	williamdunne	Maybe the whole school was more perceptive, I had heard of a few racist-type events at the non-selective schools
21:00	williamdunne	Probably not in a mugging
21:00	williamdunne	Quite quick
21:00	williamdunne	Couldn't do that with white people
21:00	mircea_popescu	maybe your polarities are reversed :D
21:00	williamdunne	But sure, introduce me to them over an evening, and outside of usual struggles with names I'll do fine
21:01	mircea_popescu	anyway. it's common, tho obviously not universal.
21:01	williamdunne	I'm an elderly Korean woman at heart
21:03	mircea_popescu	what do you mean by "cultural traits" by the way ?
21:05	williamdunne	Pretty broad, so interests, attitudes, emotional stuff
21:05	williamdunne	Stuff they like
21:06	mircea_popescu	aha.
21:06	mircea_popescu	because obviously the most commonly held lowest denominator of culture (ie, language) is pretty race-related.
21:07	mircea_popescu	not that many white people speaking sino-tibetan languages, not that many black people speaking indo-european languages, not that many yellow people speaking semitic languages etc.
21:08	williamdunne	Seems more geographic, with race being the likelihood of being in whatever geography
21:08	williamdunne	Lots of English speaking yellow people who don't know any asian languages in the UK
21:09	mircea_popescu	more or less.
21:09	mircea_popescu	obviously a kid can learn any language it hears growing up.
21:12	williamdunne	"France Restricts the Movement of Gold, Cash, & Crypto-Currencies"
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21:12	williamdunne	This should be a hilarious read
21:13	mircea_popescu	they probably lied about their age to some woman.
21:13	williamdunne	Mm can't find much info about the actual regs
21:14	williamdunne	Just a "The control of crypto-currencies like Bitcoin are set to be tightened drastically" appended to the end
21:14	williamdunne	Useless article
21:14	mircea_popescu	but france is the most socialist country and it attacks people with money!
21:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124050 @ 0.00020852 = 25.8669 BTC [+]
21:15	*	williamdunne throws money *at* mircea_popescu
21:16	mircea_popescu	"five elephants decided to figure out what man is. according to their unanimous testimony, man is essentially flat."
21:17	mircea_popescu	damn this entire fetlife fraudulent dmca business has been one of the best things. i really love these new servers i got.
21:19	williamdunne	Yeah whats come of that so far?
21:21	mircea_popescu	Server uptime: 26 days 20 hours 41 minutes 14 seconds
21:21	mircea_popescu	Total accesses: 40274915 - Total Traffic: 360 GB
21:21	mircea_popescu	CPU Usage: u.23 s.14 cu28.82 cs0 - .0492% CPU load
21:21	mircea_popescu	13.64 requests/sec - 127.5 kB/second - 9.3 kB/request
21:21	mircea_popescu	20 requests currently being processed, 28 idle workers
21:21	mircea_popescu	how not to love it. 0.05% load srsly.
21:21	williamdunne	DaFuq are the stats on that?
21:21	williamdunne	*specs
21:22	williamdunne	Although I've normally found that most web-frameworks fuckup at 10-15% load
21:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 157446 @ 0.00021051 = 33.144 BTC [+] {2}
21:23	mircea_popescu	e5-26whatever
21:24	mircea_popescu	btw, some funny shit : from what i hear from people who'd know, 2.x ghz processors actually solidly outperform 3.x ghz processors
21:25	mircea_popescu	and the only thing that even offers 4ghz sucks even worse.
21:25	williamdunne	Shouldn't that depend on usage, and the specific CPUs?
21:26	mircea_popescu	there's bunches of them
21:26	williamdunne	I mean overclocking for example on consumer is verifiably improving performance.
21:26	williamdunne	*on consumer hardware
21:26	mircea_popescu	this is server high end stuff.
21:26	mircea_popescu	a battle amd has lost, incidentally. i don't even know if they have anything
21:27	mircea_popescu	o, yeah, that eightcore fx thing. but it's a middling offering at best.
21:27	williamdunne	I definitely saw something they were meant to be great for
21:27	williamdunne	Their 24 core opteron things
21:27	mircea_popescu	still very good value for money, but anyway
21:27	williamdunne	Think it was a messagequeue of some-sort
21:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86000 @ 0.00021219 = 18.2483 BTC [+]
21:30	BingoBoingo	AMD seems to be still doing ok on the server if you are going to shard the physical machine into a fuckton of vms
21:31	mircea_popescu	in random wtf today : minecraft server runs on one core only o.O
21:31	BingoBoingo	Yeah
21:31	williamdunne	Mmm, its a bunch of PoS java code
21:31	*	BingoBoingo needs to see if minecraft client will work on OpenBSD for him
21:32	williamdunne	BingoBoingo: Yeah, think I would be correct in saying its used a bunch in video-rendering stuff
21:32	asciilifeform	<mircea_popescu> btw, some funny shit : from what i hear from people who'd know, 2.x ghz processors actually solidly outperform 3.x ghz processors << less work per tick, aha.
21:32	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yup
21:32	asciilifeform	the 'cores' derpage poured fuel in this already-hot fire, by giving incentive for underperforming serially to keep thermal manageable
21:33	mircea_popescu	not so sure cores was available.
21:33	asciilifeform	<mircea_popescu> this is server high end stuff... a battle amd has lost, incidentally. i don't even know if they have anything << afaik this is the -only- market they haven't entirely lost
21:33	asciilifeform	$maxint opterons
21:33	thestringpuller	http://gavinandresen.ninja/does-more-transactions-necessarily-mean-more-centralized << pete_dushenski gaving must have not seen your comments on your blog from yester-month
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21:33	mircea_popescu	how to improve on 1024 chickens ? upgrade to 1024 turducken
21:33	asciilifeform	plus the '08-prior sommelier market
21:33	asciilifeform	(which will not keep them alive, no)
21:33	*	BingoBoingo wonders what sort of mangling would let a Bitcoin unload the ECDSA on opencl so gpu could fuck with it
21:34	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the very expensive opterons nobody buys
21:34	*	asciilifeform buys
21:34	mircea_popescu	the only shit they're still selling is stuff like the fx gaming processors, mostly to nvidia fanbase.
21:34	asciilifeform	but no argument, amd is not long for this world
21:34	mircea_popescu	myeah.
21:34	asciilifeform	unless intel pulls a microshit-apple and keeps it on life support as token competitor
21:34	mircea_popescu	sadly. i loved them for like a decade.
21:35	asciilifeform	but yes, it has been decided, the intel rootkittronic turd is to be in all x86 boxen.
21:35	asciilifeform	(the amd variant has vastly insufficient scope - and uptake - and so.)
21:36	mircea_popescu	im really hoping the chinese come out with an actual chip alternative.
21:36	mircea_popescu	that's what i'd do if i were their emperor.
21:36	asciilifeform	they did try
21:36	mircea_popescu	blatantly steal all the intel stuff, throw out the garbage, let anyone who wants to complain talk to their hand.
21:36	asciilifeform	'dragon' (used in, iirc, loongson)
21:36	asciilifeform	except the only reason they'd steal x86 is to run winblows
21:36	asciilifeform	as ru did with 'elbrus'
21:36	mircea_popescu	i don't mean one that sucxks. i don't even mean one that doesn't suck. i mean one that's about (amd/intel in 1995)**3
21:37	asciilifeform	straight to 'elbrus' then
21:37	mircea_popescu	they can run golang for all i care.
21:38	asciilifeform	the interesting part is that chinese mips (see above) are in production, but entirely unobtainable in the west.
21:38	asciilifeform	they are not concerned with export.
21:38	mircea_popescu	i suspect dry run.
21:38	asciilifeform	plenty in ru, interestingly
21:38	asciilifeform	quite too many for dry run
21:38	asciilifeform	just that they are hand-exported.
21:38	mircea_popescu	they aren't nor shoudl; they be. lemme tell you something : the largest bank in the world (icbc) trades in the states on pink sheets
21:38	mircea_popescu	this lol was in the log last year.
21:38	asciilifeform	l0l wut
21:39	mircea_popescu	it is not their job to care. retardo-us may imagine all it wants that icbc only exists if they say it does, and gs is best whatever because so sayz washington post.
21:39	mircea_popescu	meanwhile...
21:39	asciilifeform	can mircea_popescu find a loongson in that electronics hotdog stand next to $hotel ?
21:39	*	asciilifeform had this item on checklist, did not get to it
21:39	mircea_popescu	you know, contrary to your high regard of them, argentines are retarded.
21:40	mircea_popescu	for all their pretenses, they do not qualify as a town, they're goat herders at best.
21:40	asciilifeform	hey it's 3 or 4 notches above the retardation here in east gringolandia
21:40	mircea_popescu	sure. but still retards.
21:40	asciilifeform	goatfuckers with chinese imports by the gigatonne. hence question.
21:41	mircea_popescu	the sort of retards with good food and all, but still. don't be surprised they don't know the difference between a tool and another tool. as long as it's not for farmin' or cookin', they dunno.
21:41	mircea_popescu	the chinese export what you wish to import, they don't care.
21:41	asciilifeform	precisely the situation in ru. folks end up with mips lappy, and end up pissing on it because 'not only won't run counterstrike, but mozilla is slow'
21:41	mircea_popescu	thus, argentina gets tons of costume jewelry.
21:41	asciilifeform	this is precisely why i suspect it exists in b-a
21:41	asciilifeform	because cheapolade
21:42	mircea_popescu	who plays counterstrike on a laptop for crying out loud.
21:42	asciilifeform	i did dive into an electronics shop when walking with ben_vulpes, now that i think of it. saw nothing like loongson.
21:42	mircea_popescu	why not on a comode
21:42	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not my notion. direct quote from some godforsaken ru forum
21:43	asciilifeform	at any rate, i'm merely trying to divine whether they export these buggers after all, or - as i suspect - the examples turning up in ru were hand-carried to the street market
21:44	mircea_popescu	im pretty sure they export anything you want. but ~you gotta want it~.
21:44	asciilifeform	(i will point out that rms, famously, was not able to obtain a replacement for his loongson - which was stolen by bag-snatchers in b-a)
21:44	mircea_popescu	whereas ustards expect to be pushed, and are so used with the pushing they simply can't find the lake
21:44	mircea_popescu	unless it tornadoes at them
21:44	asciilifeform	gotta want 100,000 examples of it.
21:44	mircea_popescu	yes. it's what importing is.
21:45	asciilifeform	interestingly, there are 'disposable' laptops sold at u.s. crap stores
21:45	asciilifeform	(as in, < 100 usd)
21:45	mircea_popescu	you will notice it was definitely not the us' fault that you couldn't find jeans in moscow cca 1985.
21:45	asciilifeform	they feature 'intel atom'
21:45	asciilifeform	because national turdphactory.
21:45	asciilifeform	it is how they dump inventory
21:50	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform did they ever come out wiht the elbrus 8s ?
21:51	mircea_popescu	not sure why you, or i, or anyone would give a shit about some closed turd.
21:52	mircea_popescu	(obviously ru bureaucracy needs something for import substitution, but other than that...)
21:58	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46250 @ 0.00021303 = 9.8526 BTC [+]
22:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 221254 @ 0.00021364 = 47.2687 BTC [+] {2}
22:05	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: supposedly out. and, iirc it's a pedantically documented sparc, rather than closed turd
22:05	asciilifeform	(though i am not aware of masks, etc. having been published)
22:08	*	asciilifeform attempts to find the docs, turns up nothing but marketing crud
22:08	asciilifeform	i must note that the firm has a lengthy history of chumpatronic shenanigans
22:09	asciilifeform	dating back prior to fall of su
22:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109696 @ 0.00021438 = 23.5166 BTC [+]
22:10	mircea_popescu	myeah.
22:12	asciilifeform	i expect to purchase a 'fluxbabbitt' before i ever so much as touch an 'elbrus.'
22:13	cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1121888 <<< asians all look the same to me sorta thing?
22:13	assbot	Logged on 06-05-2015 01:00:04; mircea_popescu: so if you get mugged by a korean guy you can confidently pick him up out of a line-up of six other korean guys, same age same height ?
22:15	asciilifeform	http://www.idm-plus.ru/tf16a.html << ru forth micro.
22:15	assbot	IDM Plus - TF-16A ... ( http://bit.ly/1EeW9jf )
22:15	asciilifeform	(made on cotract in cn)
22:15	asciilifeform	*contract
22:18	decimation	http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2338 < baltimore man writes about what he saw
22:18	assbot	JL: ‘A Time for Men’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1dLVm43 )
22:18	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%A6%D0%A1%D0%A2-R1000 << mega-l0l. claimed to be employed in ru missile & crypto gear. sparc v9 clone. manufactured 'in small parties of a few tens of examples per month.'
22:18	assbot	МЦСТ-R1000 — Википедия ... ( http://bit.ly/1dLVkJr )
22:20	asciilifeform	decimation: interesting
22:20	asciilifeform	but not entirely surprising
22:21	decimation	"2. All police assets from Baltimore City and surrounding municipalities were concentrated in three zones, leaving over 95% of Baltimore City and Baltimore County without police protection."
22:22	danielpbarron	4. Lone white women away from home were targeted for gang rape by gangs of black men immediately across the city and county.
22:22	BingoBoingo	cazalla: I am too race blind. A few years ago an acquaintance robbed a bank and seeing the CCTV pic in the paper I'm like who is that fat korean? Turns out it was a fat white guy I went to college with.
22:23	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: on chinese 640x480 turdcams, we can all be fat koreans.
22:23	cazalla	1fps!
22:23	decimation	asciilifeform: actually there's a new 'technology' for hd cameras
22:23	decimation	instead of shitty ip cams, they are making hd cameras that can propagate full picture at 'baseband'
22:24	decimation	http://www.hkvstar.com/technology-news/hd-tvi-cameras-new-technology-for-analog-hd-solution.html
22:24	assbot	HD-TVI cameras - new technology for analog HD solution | Technology News ... ( http://bit.ly/1dLW01i )
22:24	asciilifeform	to $maxint base station, aha
22:24	decimation	unfortunately there only seem to be dvrs available now, no computer capture cards
22:24	decimation	yeah, that will come soon
22:24	decimation	the cameras are pretty cheap though
22:24	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: On black and white turdcams I look more like a chubby somali than a korean, but yes. I am surprised he did not mount aggressive defense on the camera quality.
22:25	decimation	really this is gonna sweep the market, because of the vast infrastructure of deployed coax for cameras
22:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71700 @ 0.00021759 = 15.6012 BTC [+]
22:25	decimation	or something like it
22:26	asciilifeform	and of course ethernet over coax somehow never happened
22:26	*	asciilifeform still has enormous spool of 'thin-net'
22:26	decimation	heh I had some of those back in the day, 10-base-2
22:26	decimation	as well as token ring
22:26	asciilifeform	and a bag of 'tees'
22:27	*	BingoBoingo loving triclopyr, seriously that shit is a gardeners best friend
22:27	decimation	actually coax can generally work at much higher frequency than twisted pair, but I guess it is more expensive
22:28	asciilifeform	moar copper, moar cost.
22:29	cazalla	BingoBoingo, pull the weeds out with your hands.. it's what i was doing this morning.. fucking wind has caned my brussel sprouts too :\
22:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 197200 @ 0.00021759 = 42.9087 BTC [+]
22:29	asciilifeform	(prior to invention of optical fiber, long-haul telecom was 100% coax)
22:29	decimation	plus multiple pairs are naturally bidirectional
22:30	decimation	I went snorkeling in hawaii once, saw a massive undersea cable that was one of the first international lines
22:30	decimation	they demolished a reef to do so
22:30	BingoBoingo	cazalla: Ah, been doing that too, but there is a point where one needs to not merely kill weeds of limited size, but trees. Meter and a half tall toxichondendron specimine annihilated by triclopyr
22:30	*	BingoBoingo not always the most attentive gardener
22:31	asciilifeform	decimation: afaik all of those remain under the sea. and, by and large, still work (if one were to plug them in)
22:31	decimation	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanauma_Bay#/media/File:Hanauma_Bay.JPG
22:31	assbot	Hanauma Bay - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1dLWOU3 )
22:31	asciilifeform	(the very first oceanic cable, famously, burned out)
22:31	decimation	yeah I used the cable and the cut through the reef to swim out into the bay
22:31	cazalla	i'm quite attentive.. only wish i had more land to grow.. need to add a green house, bees an an orchard, hopefully keel over and die in such a place one day
22:32	*	BingoBoingo likes to tell self he is saving attention for better place to garden
22:34	cazalla	first year getting fruit from my meyer lemon too which are nice
22:34	BingoBoingo	I'm too far north for citrus
22:35	cazalla	too cold? meyer's do ok here in melb considering the cold (although no snowy winter obv)
22:36	BingoBoingo	past couple years I surrendered the northwest quadrant of the yard to growing as native woodland, but... squirrels plant hickory in the worst places
22:36	decimation	asciilifeform: http://atlantic-cable.com//Cables/1957HAW1/ < "The polythene-insulated coaxial type cable is designed to provide the same number of telephone channels, namely, 36, as the first transatlantic telephone cables, the greater part of which were also produced by Submarine Cables Limited."
22:36	assbot	History of the Atlantic Cable & Submarine Telegraphy - 1957 HAW-1 California-Hawaii Cable ... ( http://bit.ly/1dLXoB7 )
22:36	BingoBoingo	cazalla: two winters ago stayed well below 0F for most of January and kept two feet of snow on the ground
22:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126600 @ 0.00021759 = 27.5469 BTC [+]
22:37	decimation	as I recall the outer jacket had been torn and the structural cables were visible
22:37	BingoBoingo	from different Zeus rages
22:43	asciilifeform	'President Hoover signed a permit to lay cable in the territorial waters of the United States on June 17, 1930. The Cuban-American Telephone and Telegraph Company, a wholly owned subsidiary of the Bell Telephone Company, accepted responsibility for the work under this permit and filed it with the State Department in Washington D.C. The Division Attorney applied for a War Department Permit on August 9, 1930. The application inc
22:43	asciilifeform	luded nautical charts and drawings showing the route to be followed in laying the cable. The War Department issued its permit Number 2845 on September 8, 1930. Thereafter, United States Customs advised that inspections of the cable tank buildings, additional permits and the payment of duties were required in addition to a warehouse bond for the importation and storage of surplus cable.'
22:43	asciilifeform	( http://atlantic-cable.com//CableCos/KeyWest/index2.htm )
22:43	assbot	History of the Atlantic Cable & Submarine Telegraphy - Key West ... ( http://bit.ly/1dLYahs )
22:43	asciilifeform	usg-4, as we can see, was nearly in full bloom already.
22:45	decimation	asciilifeform: absolutely. the whole thing was merely embiggened by wwii
22:52	decimation	asciilifeform: and I agree with moldbug - it is long in the tooth
23:00	asciilifeform	anybody ever 'bbv' bitcoind ? ( http://valgrind.org/docs/manual/bbv-manual.html )
23:00	assbot	Valgrind ... ( http://bit.ly/1dM08hZ )
23:00	asciilifeform	or even gprof
23:00	asciilifeform	or wtf, anything at all
23:02	asciilifeform	how about dhat ? ( http://valgrind.org/docs/manual/dh-manual.html )
23:02	assbot	Valgrind ... ( http://bit.ly/1E6YNbA )
23:02	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu ^ ?
23:03	decimation	asciilifeform: interesting I've never used bbv, only mem profile
23:03	asciilifeform	many interesting gadgets, which, apparently, nobody uses.
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23:23	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform because everyone knows the way to make silicon is by the dozen
23:23	mircea_popescu	craftmansheep!
23:24	mircea_popescu	<decimation> "2. All police assets from Baltimore City and surrounding <<< the point of the king's police is to maintain the king's claims to sovereignity. it is not the police's job to protect you. you don't get to sue either the police generally or individual police officers for having failed to assist - even in places where you can sue ordinary citizens for same.
23:25	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform> and of course ethernet over coax somehow never happened << how not ? it's how i got broadband for a decade. "catv"
23:28	decimation	mircea_popescu: re: police < yeah I buy that, but it's often the case that the democratic police like to confuse the voters into thinking that they work for them
23:29	mircea_popescu	heh. was example earlier in the log about how "police work for them". was re three strikes ballot in ca.
23:30	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: how i got broadband for a decade << same
23:30	*	asciilifeform was poking phun at the imbecility of the camera thing
23:30	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform heh, so far nobody even compiles glibc. go away with your exotic temptations, fair lady.
23:30	asciilifeform	nobody - to a first approximation - wants to do fucking anything at all...
23:31	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the point of the king's police is to maintain the king's claims to sovereignity << this was no mystery of any kind to the folks who first witnessed this marvellous invention.
23:31	decimation	asciilifeform: in theory, ip cameras could work as well as dumb analog-over-coax, but in practice the firmware sucks
23:31	mircea_popescu	the problem is that the king has no further good claims on sovereignity, and as such must now surrender the police.
23:33	decimation	yarvin thought that urban police depts. would make good rulers
23:33	decimation	given how they have to deal with reality as-is
23:33	asciilifeform	why not beggars then ?
23:33	asciilifeform	or rats, from sewers.
23:34	mircea_popescu	"7. Over 200 businesses, including at least 13 pharmacies, and up to a third of liquor stores, have been wiped from the face of the earth, many of them minority businesses which are uninsured and will not recover. This places the drug gangs in a position to expand the illegal economy in areas where businesses will not return—as they did not return after the 1968 riots—which offsets losses of territory recently suff
23:34	mircea_popescu	ered at the hands of Johns Hopkins Hospital and University buying up drug territory."
23:34	decimation	how many beggars in the us couldn't have a warm bed and meals - if willin to submit to charity
23:34	mircea_popescu	this guy has a pretty decent understanding of how this shit works.
23:34	decimation	I've been to johns hopkins in baltimore, it's in hell-hole ghetto land
23:35	asciilifeform	surrounded, today, by (discreet) guard booths
23:35	mircea_popescu	but the police shows up.
23:35	mircea_popescu	exactly.
23:35	asciilifeform	mega-posh campus, incidentally
23:35	decimation	johns hopkins is actually the largest employer in maryland
23:35	asciilifeform	makes the lawns of d.c. capitol, etc. look shabby.
23:35	mircea_popescu	"10. All whites I have spoken to have noted that blacks they normally come into contact with have been behaving with increased—or not before present—hostility. This has been noted by the author as well, with hard eye-contact and aggressive posturing evidenced by most black males I now encounter, where before that was a minority expression of about a third of such men."
23:35	decimation	all the other industry is long-gone
23:35	asciilifeform	decimation: last i checked it was nsa
23:35	mircea_popescu	this gonna be a warm summer.
23:36	decimation	asciilifeform: yeah, could be
23:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108103 @ 0.00022071 = 23.8594 BTC [+]
23:37	decimation	http://www.baltimoresun.com/bal-rg-mdbusiness21-story.html < although I bet johns hopkins university + medical is pretty close
23:37	assbot	Top Maryland employers - Baltimore Sun ... ( http://bit.ly/1DRAixT )
23:38	mircea_popescu	http://www.jameslafond.com/?f=site << me looks and smiles. ah, youth...
23:38	assbot	Baltimore's Violence Guy ... ( http://bit.ly/1DRAjlt )
23:38	decimation	mircea_popescu: the problem this guy (the blog author) has is that if he is too public about his point of view, the king's police will make an example of him
23:38	mircea_popescu	someone invite him over.
23:42	asciilifeform	206451
23:46	asciilifeform	re: police irregularities: i'm still betting on the hypothesis that local police will be pissed on in propagandatron endlessly until finally entirely replaced (as planned) with centralized gendarmerie
23:47	asciilifeform	which will, naturally, follow 'federal equal opportunity employment' etc.
23:47	decimation	I'm not sure about such a coordinated plot, but it certainly is the case that urban police departments are independent power centers upon which usg frowns
23:47	mircea_popescu	yes, because you have this strange fetishistic attractor in your mental prognosticator.
23:48	decimation	we already have 'federal equal opportunity employment'
23:48	asciilifeform	and, the absolutely key soviet part, gendarme will be posted far from his home town
23:48	mircea_popescu	but no. baltimore/maryland is currently under an aliance of the underworld. they WILL drive out any and all statal enforcement, because that is what happens when the underworld decides to .
23:48	mircea_popescu	it's not accidental that my path to breaking 1984 was as i described it at the time.
23:48	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Mega-posh campus + medical school seems to thrive on medicaid like kudzu, local entity of that flavor is "BJC healthcare"
23:49	mircea_popescu	and for that matter, baltimore may well be the hole the night crawls through.
23:49	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: what does it mean to 'drive out statal enforcement' in a place that is run 100% on usg largesse ?
23:49	mircea_popescu	if detroit next copies them...
23:49	asciilifeform	and why was l.a. not the hole the night walks in through ?
23:49	decimation	"In the city, the entitlement pressure continues to ramp up, with the Whole Foods grocery store coming under fire for feeding national guardsmen that prevented their store from being looted. The ghettoites claim that the grocer should have been feeding the black students who lost their free school lunch on Tuesday, rather than the guardsmen who were protecting the grocer from these same juvenile delinquents. "
23:49	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform there is no such thing as "government largesse".
23:49	asciilifeform	l.a. had proper street war.
23:49	mircea_popescu	the government is that derpy kid in school. it doesn't give anything, the kids just take.
23:50	asciilifeform	(mega-recommend: watch the extant films from it. good quality shootouts, etc)
23:50	mircea_popescu	because la is too fragmented, apparently.
23:50	BingoBoingo	l.a. had the problem of firstness
23:50	decimation	mircea_popescu: but that approach fails when men with guns are willing to stand
23:50	mircea_popescu	also, perhaps.
23:50	mircea_popescu	decimation what men ?
23:50	decimation	there are few
23:50	mircea_popescu	why would you, or anyone stand for the usg ?!
23:51	decimation	that's the problem the men with guns have, isn't it
23:51	mircea_popescu	dea guys are just in it for the columbian whore parties / stolen goodies from evidence room.
23:51	mircea_popescu	it's not a problem, no.
23:51	decimation	'the enemy of my enemy is still my enemy'
23:51	asciilifeform	<mircea_popescu> why would you, or anyone stand for the usg ?! << i can think of one reason - if alternative is surrender to orcs
23:51	asciilifeform	aka south africa
23:51	mircea_popescu	south africa HAS a government.
23:51	mircea_popescu	of usg's hand picking, no less.
23:51	asciilifeform	aha
23:52	mircea_popescu	so no, south africa is not a possible result.
23:52	decimation	yeah, government of & by the orcs
23:52	asciilifeform	usa will also have a government.
23:52	mircea_popescu	in the sense that sec will oversee mpex.
23:52	asciilifeform	or rather, pieces of usa
23:52	mircea_popescu	sure.
23:52	mircea_popescu	they can draw mpex on a piece of paper and oversee it till they fall over.
23:52	decimation	actually I think the mega-trend here is that the us is sorting itself out geographically
23:52	decimation	men who don't want to put up with baltimore's shit, stop
23:53	decimation	can move to portland or whereever
23:53	mircea_popescu	orly. lol.
23:53	decimation	sure, that's what gives the us its black and white checkerboard demographic map
23:53	mircea_popescu	men who don't like the earthquake in kyoto can go have the earthquake in osaka.
23:53	mircea_popescu	provided they move fast enough.
23:54	decimation	earthquakes are unpredictable
23:54	decimation	it's not like noone could have predicted racial freak-out in baltimore
23:54	asciilifeform	orc flare-ups are similarly unpredictable (other than, possibly, to instigators)
23:54	mircea_popescu	decimation why didn't you predict it then!
23:55	asciilifeform	in the general case, both - predictable. like the example of orlov's bridge falling into the river. (eventually the whole thing is underwater. but when?)
23:55	mircea_popescu	or for that matter, predict the next one, so you know where not to go o.O
23:55	decimation	well, I did leave the md/dc area
23:56	BingoBoingo	A contemporary USian problem is that for every DEA Carl Mark Force IV is a freelance Carl Mark Force IV who also robs Drug dealers bu while doing so is younger, darker, and more effective
23:56	decimation	not many orc flare-ups in dubuque iowa, or bismark nd
23:56	mircea_popescu	a, you did ?
23:56	BingoBoingo	decimation: Purely chance
23:56	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo one, or ten.
23:56	decimation	BingoBoingo: Town&Country also under threat?
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23:57	BingoBoingo	decimation: Not yet, Ferguson shit didn't even make it to clayton, but did annoy StL city proper
23:58	decimation	even in the wash dc area, people pay really good money to be physically separated from orcs
23:58	asciilifeform	they pay up to 100% of income, yes.
23:58	asciilifeform	it mostly works.
23:58	asciilifeform	in fact, the baltimore thing etc. is a kind of 'floor demo'
23:58	BingoBoingo	I'm just glad stl avoided its inevitable orc vs. high-orc flare up for some time
23:59	asciilifeform	'here is why you were smart not to move to where house exactly like yours costs 1/7th what you paid'
23:59	decimation	even though rich jews live less than a few miles from the hell-hole, they might as well be a world away
23:59	BingoBoingo	And the Black vs. Bosnia conflict was silenced by the old bosnians
23:59	mircea_popescu	you know, this is so bizarre to me.
23:59	asciilifeform	this is one reason why the uprisings are permitted (hell, organized) by usg
23:59	decimation	(north baltimore is famously highly jewish)
23:59	mircea_popescu	my main complaint here in argentina is that well... there's no "orcs" as you call them, in sight.
23:59	mircea_popescu	i have no idea how you people can even live in a 100% pencilneck atmosphere.
23:59	asciilifeform	if not this, there'd be pinkertons, machine-gunning at foot level
00:00	mircea_popescu	doesn't it get depressing like the fucking sahara ?

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