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00:00	ThickAsThieves	btc on the other hand...
00:00	ThickAsThieves	fukn ponzi
00:00	bitcoinpete	lol pretty much
00:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4187 @ 0.00095588 = 4.0023 BTC [+]
00:04	bgupta	So is there any way to cryptographically take a blockchain and split it into seperate blockchains but transfer value between the blockchains on a 1/1 ratio, without having them just simply be seperate blockchains with market dynamics?
00:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00095218 = 3.5231 BTC [-]
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00:39	bitcoinpete	http://epicureandealmaker.blogspot.ca/2008/10/everyone-can-be-super.html <<trainflakes
00:39	ozbot	The Epicurean Dealmaker: Everyone Can Be Super
00:40	bitcoinpete	"The gleaming monuments of every society are built high upon the bones and broken dreams of millions and millions of nobodies who hoped for something better."
00:45	bitcoinpete	"Here’s the straight dope: you ain’t that great, and you sure as hell ain’t that unique. Get in line with the other millions in your age group and suck it up."
00:45	benkay	;;later tell mircea_popescu let me tell you about this crazy thing some crypto cats were banging on at me about today. given a company who's interested in genes and a uni with a giant set of genes and phone numbers for each, how do you match the people with the company without the company revealing what sequence it's interested in or the uni the people's gene sequences?
00:45	gribble	The operation succeeded.
00:47	benkay	;;later tell mircea_popescu "homomorphic or semi-homomorphic" encryption, where 3 parties each control one computer working with the other two in lockstep to solve the problem.
00:47	gribble	The operation succeeded.
00:47	benkay	asciilifeform: your wisdom and insight on the topic much appreciated to boot.
00:47	benkay	"semi homomorphic encryption and multiparty communication" is what the web tells me this snake oil is called.
00:48	benkay	off for the night, y'all. please break havelock for me
00:49	bitcoinpete	cheers
00:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.067173 = 0.3359 BTC [-] {2}
00:49	bitcoinpete	we'll try
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01:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00095218 = 5.8083 BTC [-]
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01:53	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00095303 = 15.6297 BTC [+]
02:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1257 @ 0.00095303 = 1.198 BTC [+]
02:03	fluffypony	http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/23/justice/postal-worker-jailed-missing-mail/index.html
02:03	ozbot	Kentucky postal worker jailed for stashing 44,900 pieces of mail - CNN.com
02:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 150 @ 0.0075 = 1.125 BTC [+]
02:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.06555962 = 6.556 BTC [-] {7}
02:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 39 @ 0.06522636 = 2.5438 BTC [-] {3}
02:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 90 @ 0.06263131 = 5.6368 BTC [-] {5}
02:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00095339 = 5.053 BTC [+] {2}
02:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 266 @ 0.00083683 = 0.2226 BTC [+] {2}
02:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00095099 = 10.7937 BTC [-] {4}
03:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6243 @ 0.00095341 = 5.9521 BTC [+]
03:06	fluffypony	http://an7isec.blogspot.co.il/2014/04/pown-noobs-acunetix-0day.html
03:06	ozbot	An7i Security: Pwn the n00bs - Acunetix 0day
03:06	fluffypony	nice
03:06	fluffypony	Naphex will enjoy that
03:07	HeySteve	hey fluffypony, do you know what sort of customs duty SA would charge on electronics imports?
03:08	fluffypony	HeySteve: it depends on what electronics...typically for PC components it's just 14% VAT and a release fee (R15 - R30)
03:08	fluffypony	because PC components are classified by customs as "spare parts"
03:08	HeySteve	I found a nice camera on coinsfortech selling for btc, works out about R7000 cheaper than on kalahari including shipping
03:09	HeySteve	ok so just the VAT thanks
03:09	fluffypony	yep
03:09	fluffypony	but
03:09	fluffypony	CoinsForTech ship with FedEx (SupaSwift is the local agent)
03:10	fluffypony	so you'll also have to pay their admin/documentation charges
03:10	HeySteve	are those expensive?
03:10	fluffypony	yeah, and a camera isn't electronics components, different tarriff heading
03:11	fluffypony	not sure what tariff heading they'll list it under
03:11	fluffypony	but it looks like they'll charge VAT
03:11	fluffypony	then
03:12	fluffypony	processing fee of R142.83, disbursement fee of R26.51, release fee of R2, all plus VAT
03:12	HeySteve	right. still about R4k cheaper, it's just the wait time
03:13	fluffypony	FedEx is fast - 5-10 actual days tops
03:14	HeySteve	cool thx
03:21	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4207 @ 0.00095471 = 4.0165 BTC [+]
03:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00095417 = 9.7325 BTC [-] {2}
03:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00095488 = 6.0157 BTC [+] {2}
03:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2107 @ 0.00095409 = 2.0103 BTC [-]
04:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.04417849 = 0.3092 BTC [+] {3}
04:07	fluffypony	moiety: top o' the mornin'
04:08	moiety	morning!
04:08	mircea_popescu	heya!
04:08	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: morning
04:08	moiety	how are you guys today?
04:09	moiety	i don't feel fully awake
04:09	fluffypony	also feeling a little bushed
04:09	fluffypony	need a third espresso
04:09	wywialm	hello moiety, hello mircea_popescu
04:10	mircea_popescu	you people and teh coffee habit.
04:10	mircea_popescu	o hey, wywialm didja read my fundamental thing on economics ?
04:11	wywialm	yes, i did, i'm in the process of responding
04:12	wywialm	it may take a day or so, unfortunately
04:12	fluffypony	http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1416262/Court-refuses-trial-by-combat.html
04:12	ozbot	Court refuses trial by combat - Telegraph
04:13	wywialm	would you like to discuss it in the channel or read my opinion in the comments?
04:13	mircea_popescu	wywialm no rush!
04:13	mircea_popescu	comments better.
04:13	wywialm	sure
04:14	mircea_popescu	the channel is difficult to sort for all but the most advanced of wizards
04:14	Naphex	morning
04:15	moiety	I'm now imagining you in full wizard get up when in here
04:15	moiety	http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/apr/23/raf-fighter-jets-russian-bombers-scotland
04:15	ozbot	RAF fighter jets intercept Russian bombers off coast of Scotland | UK news | theguardian.com
04:15	wywialm	good morning, Naphex
04:15	mircea_popescu	A court has rejected a 60-year-old man's attempt to invoke the ancient right to trial by combat, rather than pay a £25 fine for a minor motoring offence.
04:15	mircea_popescu	Leon Humphreys remained adamant yesterday that his right to fight a champion nominated by the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) was still valid under European human rights legislation. He said it would have been a "reasonable" way to settle the matter.
04:15	mircea_popescu	nice.
04:15	moiety	i don't think they were planning dropping off manuls
04:16	mircea_popescu	they were probably planning to show the raf it sucks.
04:17	moiety	probably. the base mentioned, Leuchars, is closing too
04:21	moiety	what happened with the max keiser fight night thing
04:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9043 @ 0.00095074 = 8.5975 BTC [-] {2}
04:24	mircea_popescu	anyway, i don;t think the SOPS appreciate the seriousness of the problem. once people are actually willing to fight anyone you fucking name, to the death, your days are quite numbered.
04:24	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/ etc,
04:24	ozbot	The SOPS, or what might you expect from government clerks pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
04:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06778263 = 0.1356 BTC [+] {2}
04:26	Naphex	;;ident
04:26	gribble	Nick 'Naphex', with hostmask 'Naphex!~naphex@btcxchange.ro', is identified as user 'Naphex', with GPG key id 64CDBADCE1E0BBAF, key fingerprint F3D76A985F5844814A93F46364CDBADCE1E0BBAF, and bitcoin address 12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu
04:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00095614 = 16.5412 BTC [+] {2}
04:37	mircea_popescu	Naphex cool.
04:41	mircea_popescu	Naphex email.
04:50	mircea_popescu	!up CheckDavid
04:50	assbot	Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes.
04:50	mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot CheckDavid
04:50	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user CheckDavid: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=CheckDavid | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=CheckDavid | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 12:52:24 2014
04:51	CheckDavid	How does it work here now mircea_popescu ?
04:51	fluffypony	CheckDavid: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
04:52	mircea_popescu	^
04:52	CheckDavid	Why not on the topic?
04:53	mircea_popescu	possibly because we prefer people ask
04:53	mircea_popescu	otherwise because it was never considered
04:53	CheckDavid	I see.
04:53	CheckDavid	Glad I asked then.
04:53	CheckDavid	I have 0 trust :(
04:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00095232 = 3.714 BTC [-]
04:54	mircea_popescu	you gotta get in the trustlist of someone assbot trusts
04:56	CheckDavid	I am not doing much business in here or even trading a single satoshi around
04:56	CheckDavid	So I don't know much ways on how to do that with begging
04:57	CheckDavid	Without
04:57	mircea_popescu	the idea is that if you don't trade you prolly don't need voice.
04:57	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/ < that's the philosophy involved.
04:57	ozbot	#bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
04:58	CheckDavid	Actually I'm doing business
04:58	fluffypony	CheckDavid: go do some trades in -otc then? always good to have some historical ratings on the WoT
04:58	CheckDavid	I will ask around for that
04:59	fluffypony	there ya go :)
04:59	CheckDavid	Such a hassle to authenticate with gribble on a mobile device
04:59	mircea_popescu	CheckDavid if you're doing business, then you're definitely doing business with someone here at some point, or with someone they know.
04:59	mircea_popescu	a 1 isn't so hard to get historically.
05:00	CheckDavid	I see. I will get it
05:00	mircea_popescu	i suspect the reason why good crypto is a hassle on smartphones is exactly what one'd expect.
05:01	CheckDavid	How do you map a reason to an expectation?
05:02	CheckDavid	Your English is too advanced for me
05:02	CheckDavid	lol
05:02	mircea_popescu	ie, that it's not accidental, but deliberate, as part of a broader govt sponsored industry agreement to keep mobiles weak cryptographically
05:02	fluffypony	goes back to the NSA convo from yesterday
05:03	CheckDavid	Oh. NSA kinda stuff then rifht,?
05:03	CheckDavid	I see
05:04	mircea_popescu	as teh observation goes, all nsa successes to date are social engineering, not mathematical.
05:04	mircea_popescu	even if bounce would like us to believe they;'re smart, the record is actulaly that they're devious instead.
05:05	chetty	doesn't gubermint and devious mean the same thing?
05:05	CheckDavid	Who needs to be smart when you can fool a genius?
05:05	CheckDavid	Lol
05:05	mircea_popescu	http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/23/unique-ax-uses-physics-to-make-wood-chopping-smarter-not-harder/
05:05	ozbot	Unique Ax Uses Physics to Make Wood Chopping Smarter, Not Harder | TheBlaze.com
05:05	mircea_popescu	check this shit out
05:05	mircea_popescu	that's the best looking fucking axe i've ever seen
05:10	CheckDavid	mircea_popescu: bunch of coolness in there
05:10	mircea_popescu	:p
05:11	CheckDavid	I was sent a proposal to represent a business in acquiring projects for them on a commission based rewards schedule.
05:11	CheckDavid	It's startup in the it industry
05:12	davout	mircea_popescu: i recall visiting some old farm, and being shown tools that looked rudimentary, but were in fact perfectly balances as to minimize the strain on the farmer
05:12	CheckDavid	But confused me is how the commissions are based on the profit, and not on the sales volume or revenue
05:12	davout	s/balances/balanced/
05:12	mircea_popescu	CheckDavid hm ?
05:12	mircea_popescu	davout indeed.
05:13	CheckDavid	mircea_popescu: the proposed commissions on the draft are based on profit
05:13	CheckDavid	Like. X% of the profit generated from my sale
05:13	CheckDavid	I have never seen this
05:14	punkman	that axe looks like it might be awkward when chopping horizontally
05:15	chetty	sounds like a bad deal CheckDavid , company can just spend whatever of ads and exec salaries and you get squat
05:15	CheckDavid	I know chetty . that's why I found it weird
05:16	CheckDavid	Dissimulating profits is a pretty straightforward process
05:16	fluffypony	CheckDavid: based on gross profit or net profit?
05:16	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/1794160/
05:17	CheckDavid	It just says profit in the draft
05:17	mircea_popescu	punkman definitely. seems vertical.
05:17	CheckDavid	But it's just a draft
05:17	fluffypony	I mean, I can understand if there's a fixed CoS and they're calling (CoS - Sales) "profit"
05:17	mircea_popescu	CheckDavid i dunno what this is about ?!
05:18	CheckDavid	mircea_popescu: just a contract for sales rep that sets commissions to be based on profit instead of sales volume
05:18	CheckDavid	I was just wondering if this is normal
05:18	CheckDavid	Because I have never seen this kind of arrangement before
05:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00095239 = 9.1906 BTC [+]
05:20	mircea_popescu	well... profit and sales volume correlate
05:20	mircea_popescu	so i guess it's just an arbitrary different comission %
05:20	mircea_popescu	item sells for 10k, profit is 1k, make 1% of net sales or 10% of net profit, same deal, you make 100 bux per item
05:20	mircea_popescu	!up CheckDavid
05:20	assbot	Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes.
05:20	fluffypony	CheckDavid: there is actually some precedent - I have a very good friend who moved here from Sweden to sell industrial cleaning equipment/supplies. he knows the cost of the product, and dependent on the size of the sale he can offer a discount to the client. his comm is based on the "profit" in that it's (sales - cost of sales), so he won't offer a discount on small sales but might determine it worthwhile reducing his comm on a larger sale
05:22	mircea_popescu	yeah it's kinda how large deals work. industrial equipment is a perfect example.
05:22	mircea_popescu	rarely used in consumer/retail
05:23	mircea_popescu	anywya, if you're working for a start-up you want either equity or a salary.
05:23	CheckDavid	mircea_popescu: yes. But it's for IT contracts. All contracts are different and have different details
05:23	mircea_popescu	in NO case do you work for a startup on a comission basis wtf is this, the land of where they get shit for free ?
05:24	CheckDavid	I see fluffypony . actually make sense
05:24	CheckDavid	mircea_popescu: really? I don't see why not
05:24	CheckDavid	It's sales after all
05:24	mircea_popescu	nope.
05:25	mircea_popescu	it's building their equity. either they pay for it or you get a share of it.
05:25	CheckDavid	I see.
05:25	CheckDavid	Well.
05:25	CheckDavid	The contacts I generate are supposed to generate life time commissions
05:26	mircea_popescu	so this is why you get equity
05:26	mircea_popescu	so that they DO generate lifetime comissions.
05:26	CheckDavid	Interesting point
05:26	fluffypony	yeah
05:26	mircea_popescu	people either mean what they say or they lie to you.
05:26	mircea_popescu	always very easy to find out which. just, need a little experience in business.
05:27	fluffypony	otherwise after a year or two the company can "fold" and reopen to service all the old clients, cutting you out the loop
05:27	mircea_popescu	"can". heh.
05:27	CheckDavid	I see.
05:27	CheckDavid	Though I was thinking about starting collaboration in a more informal manner.
05:28	mircea_popescu	informal only works if you're either part of the core or part of a group that can squish them.
05:28	fluffypony	there was a rental agency that had this awesome comm structure - find a tenant and you get half of their management fee for the lifetime of the tenant (they charge ~10% of the rent as a management fee)
05:28	mircea_popescu	that's why founderds deals work informally, and VCs deals not so much.
05:28	CheckDavid	I see.
05:28	CheckDavid	I am sure that works for you.
05:29	CheckDavid	But maybe I'm not in your position
05:29	CheckDavid	A position of experience and financial success
05:29	fluffypony	they exploded, dominated the scene as everyone referred their friends and all the home owners wanted tenants through them
05:29	fluffypony	fast forward 2 years and they "go bankrupt" and this new crowd that registered a business like a month ago "buys" all their existing contracts and databases and everything for $100 or something stupid
05:29	CheckDavid	For lack of better words
05:29	mircea_popescu	fluffypony happens all the damned time. i know like... two lawyers that ever successfully litigated the sort of shit
05:29	mircea_popescu	one of them's smoking hot too.
05:30	fluffypony	someone eventually connects that the new company is owned by the other guy's brother-in-law...cue shitstorm of epic proportions, but they got away with it because laws.
05:31	CheckDavid	I see
05:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1002 @ 0.00095239 = 0.9543 BTC [+]
05:32	CheckDavid	I gotta hustle though
05:32	mircea_popescu	CheckDavid jus' sayin'. in the end you do what you gotta do, but always better if you know the score than if you don't.
05:33	CheckDavid	The score? Isnt that only known in the end of the game?
05:33	CheckDavid	I thought you were still telling me the rules of the game.
05:33	CheckDavid	Haha. My total lack of knowledge of these expressions.
05:34	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: yeah, but I think the legal framework in the EU in general is more mature...ZA law is Dutch-Roman with some British influence, but there's lots of stuff that has only come about more recently (eg. modern regulation of securities only happened with the Securities Services Act of 2004)
05:36	mircea_popescu	anyone seen gloria ?
05:38	mircea_popescu	anyway, it's a great film.
05:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1050 @ 0.00095232 = 0.9999 BTC [-]
05:40	mircea_popescu	!up toddf
05:40	assbot	Voicing toddf for 30 minutes.
05:40	mircea_popescu	!up LeMarkz
05:40	assbot	Voicing LeMarkz for 30 minutes.
05:41	mircea_popescu	http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/g/gloria-script-transcript-gena-rowlands.html
05:41	ozbot	Gloria
05:41	mircea_popescu	"Fuck! He don't know the score. He sees a dame like you and a guy like me. He don't know."
05:41	mircea_popescu	said by a 6 yo puerto rican kid on the lam to a 50 yo retired blonde prostitute.
05:42	toddf	so am i in a void or is any news or chatter about picostocks.com just nonexistent? ;-)
05:42	mircea_popescu	;;google picostocks site:log.bitcoin-assets.com
05:42	gribble	NEXT: 06-10-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2013&bots=true>; NEXT: 11-06-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2013&bots=true>; NEXT: 30-11-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-11-2013&bots=true>
05:44	toddf	ok so even here, chatter about picostocks is .. dated
05:45	jurov	http://www.xbiz.com/news/178172 orly
05:45	ozbot	Chase Bank Slams the Door on More Porn Stars - XBIZ.com
05:46	mircea_popescu	toddf it's a scam. forget about it already, move on.
05:47	toddf	mircea_popescu: picostocks + cointerra sure
05:47	toddf	I've put some money in, and have already returned my investment plus, keeps on truckin, so .. 100th at least seems not to be a scam to me
05:47	toddf	there are clearly bot based traders present, but how is that new vs other exchanges
05:48	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointa.lk/threads/picostocks-100th-s-bitcoin-mine-100th.82106/#msg1495160
05:48	ozbot	[PicoStocks] 100TH/s bitcoin mine [100th] | Bitcointa.lk
05:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06778368 = 0.3389 BTC [+]
05:48	mircea_popescu	this is a poor argument. if you read the logs you'll see you're by no means singular in making that error.
05:49	toddf	yes I've followed the thread, same content as on bitcointalk.org
05:49	mircea_popescu	yeah, it's the forum of record
05:49	toddf	so "I made money, just curious to talk to others who are also there" is a bad argument?
05:49	cazalla	toddf: shamefur dispray
05:49	mircea_popescu	(keeps everything, including the posts scamtalk.org mods try to hide)
05:50	mircea_popescu	toddf it is, yes.
05:50	mircea_popescu	it's an exact restatement of "driving faster than i can handle the car while drunk is safe, because i got home alright"
05:50	mircea_popescu	you will get fucked one day, and that day you will lose more than all your aggregate gains.
05:51	mircea_popescu	ask jurov, ask bugpowder, ask duffer ask what, dozens of people.
05:51	mircea_popescu	every single pirate investor "made money". until they didn't.
05:51	toddf	hmm, guess I'll focus on refining my btc-e.com trading bot
05:52	mircea_popescu	rithm is not voiced, so he can't say anything about thatg :D
05:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06779999 = 0.339 BTC [+]
05:53	toddf	if ppl not voiced wanna privchat me about picostocks fine. so .. I'll ensure I have net positive out and consinder continued income non reliable .. *shrug*.
05:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06779999 = 0.678 BTC [+] {2}
05:55	jurov	http://www.coindesk.com/jeff-garzik-announces-partnership-launch-bitcoin-satellites-space/
05:55	jurov	blockchain bombardment from orbit
05:55	toddf	yeah, that was interesting news when i first read about it
05:55	toddf	akin to broadcasting usenet news from orbit
05:56	toddf	wonder when someone will skip the expense and simply start broadcasting bitcoin blocks via usenet .. which then can come to you .. from orbit ..
05:57	toddf	'course not the nifty easy receiver mobile device and all that but hey, multiple paths mean more resiliancy right?
05:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0678 = 0.5424 BTC [+]
06:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00095232 = 4.9521 BTC [-]
06:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6394 @ 0.00095257 = 6.0907 BTC [+] {3}
06:18	mircea_popescu	jurov twas here yest :D
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06:43	Naphex	rainy day
06:43	Naphex	;/
06:44	jurov	hm, that's like 1000 lines ago
06:44	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00095232 = 3.476 BTC [-]
06:58	mircea_popescu	;;seen ThickAsThieves
06:58	gribble	ThickAsThieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 hours, 58 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> fukn ponzi
06:59	mircea_popescu	;;seen dooglus
06:59	gribble	dooglus was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 37 weeks, 0 days, 8 hours, 8 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <dooglus> seen mircea_popescu?
07:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9096 @ 0.00095091 = 8.6495 BTC [-] {2}
07:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9054 @ 0.00095325 = 8.6307 BTC [+]
07:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.0009556 = 5.3514 BTC [+]
07:20	ThickAsThieves	good morn
07:22	ThickAsThieves	so the neo software guys responded, you'll like this
07:22	Anduck	neo as?
07:22	fluffypony	Neo&Bee
07:22	Anduck	what he responded?
07:22	ThickAsThieves	read the logs
07:22	fluffypony	the (former) software devs are still figuring things out
07:22	Anduck	ThickAsThieves: no
07:22	fluffypony	and ThickAsThieves asked them to come here and chat to us
07:23	Anduck	will they come?
07:23	Anduck	is there a good summary of that whole neo bee casE?
07:23	ThickAsThieves	...
07:23	fluffypony	let's find out...back to you in the studio, ThickAsThieves
07:23	Anduck	sorry
07:23	Anduck	they give + to people with no news knowledge
07:23	Anduck	x
07:23	Anduck	D
07:23	fluffypony	Anduck: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23cjd9/the_full_picture_of_former_neo_bee_employees/
07:23	ThickAsThieves	;;gettrust anduck
07:23	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask Anduck!~anduck@unaffiliated/anduck. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user anduck: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=anduck | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=anduck | Rated since: Tue May 8 11:28:43 2012
07:23	fluffypony	goot starting point
07:23	fluffypony	*good
07:24	Anduck	ok
07:24	Anduck	!up only
07:24	assbot	Voicing only for 30 minutes.
07:24	Anduck	buwahhahahahw
07:25	ThickAsThieves	anduck. what i am referring to has absolutely nothing to do with revelations about what happened to make Neo fall
07:25	Anduck	alright
07:25	ThickAsThieves	for the most part, that situation is now up to Danny and the authorities
07:26	ThickAsThieves	"HI John,
07:26	ThickAsThieves	thank you very much for your input and for pointing our a direction! It most certainly helps.
07:26	ThickAsThieves	We will approach #bitcoin-assets and see how it goes.
07:26	ThickAsThieves	We registered on bitangels.co and we asked Mike Hearn to be our technical advisor and he accepted.
07:26	ThickAsThieves	Thanks much!
07:26	ThickAsThieves	Michalis"
07:26	fluffypony	l
07:26	fluffypony	o
07:26	fluffypony	l
07:26	Anduck	btw
07:26	Anduck	tldr neo bee CEO ran with coins, all others are innocent?
07:27	ThickAsThieves	you could really benefit from understanding the world around you in its true form
07:27	ThickAsThieves	rather than converting everything into a summary
07:27	Anduck	true
07:27	Anduck	but i am leaving in 2 mins
07:27	Anduck	no time to read big papers
07:27	ThickAsThieves	it can wait
07:27	Anduck	true
07:28	ThickAsThieves	http://www.theverge.com/2014/4/24/5646554/andy-warhols-lost-amiga-computer-art-photo-essay
07:28	ozbot	Andy Warhol's Amiga computer art found 30 years later | The Verge
07:29	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you have a mpex acct right ?
07:29	ThickAsThieves	yes
07:29	Anduck	lol
07:29	mircea_popescu	ok i got a business proposition for you
07:29	ThickAsThieves	shoot
07:30	ThickAsThieves	did you know that Amiga pixels were rectangles, not squares
07:30	mircea_popescu	it goes like this : the s.mpif is going to be reporting its assets monthly. meanwhile it will probably trade. there should be a mechanism to buy/sell shares to ensure the market stays liquid and more or less alligned to net value. so what i want to do is :
07:30	mircea_popescu	ima make you a s.mpif manager, give you 50 BTC , your job is to try and make a profit trading s.mpif of mpex.
07:30	mircea_popescu	you get a 10% cut of the results, report your trades monthly.
07:31	mircea_popescu	this is also good because it gives some anchor to the fund
07:31	mircea_popescu	(it's roughjly the equivalent of a normal ib liquidity clause)
07:31	ThickAsThieves	i will have some questions, probly in private
07:31	ThickAsThieves	been awake 10min also
07:31	mircea_popescu	take your time.
07:31	ThickAsThieves	thanks
07:31	mircea_popescu	kinda planning to announce the management rooster today, you'd be the 5th.
07:32	Anduck	what is mpif?
07:32	Anduck	mircea popescus investment fund i assume
07:32	mircea_popescu	Anduck tsk tsk not reading teh logs are we
07:32	fluffypony	Anduck: http://trilema.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/
07:32	Anduck	i never read logs if i am not hilighted
07:32	fluffypony	kakobrekla: can you make assbot ping Anduck every day at a random time? :-P
07:32	ThickAsThieves	well, quit leaning on us to fill in your brain holes!
07:32	mircea_popescu	!down Anduck
07:32	assbot	mircea_popescu, you can't do that to Anduck.
07:32	mircea_popescu	tsk.
07:33	Anduck	mircea_popescu: haha
07:33	Anduck	off i go
07:33	Anduck	-<
07:33	mircea_popescu	you get the point.
07:34	davout	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135181.msg6366978#msg6366978 <<< lmao
07:34	ozbot	MagicalTux?
07:34	ThickAsThieves	mp you see my quoted email from Neo software guys?
07:35	ThickAsThieves	it's like a dream
07:35	mircea_popescu	i didnt get to lulz yet, still working on you know, actual things :D
07:35	ThickAsThieves	word
07:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.0009556 = 2.2457 BTC [+]
07:36	fluffypony	davout: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2134
07:36	fluffypony	"No one will ever beat this guy's record."
07:36	fluffypony	lawl
07:37	davout	;;gettrust MagicalTux
07:37	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user davout to user MagicalTux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -7 via 6 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=davout&dest=MagicalTux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=MagicalTux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010
07:38	davout	;;rate MagicalTux -10
07:38	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user MagicalTux has been recorded.
07:38	davout	;;rate mtgox -10
07:38	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user mtgox has been recorded.
07:38	davout	now back to more productive endeavours
07:39	mircea_popescu	;;rated magicaltux
07:39	gribble	You have not yet rated user magicaltux
07:39	mircea_popescu	heh.
07:39	mircea_popescu	;;rate magicaltux -1 Overly large fuckwit.
07:39	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user magicaltux has been recorded.
07:39	davout	;;rated jgarzik
07:39	gribble	You have not yet rated user jgarzik
07:39	davout	;;gettrust jgarzik
07:39	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user davout to user jgarzik: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=davout&dest=jgarzik | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jgarzik | Rated since: Mon Nov 8 13:35:30 2010
07:39	ThickAsThieves	;;rate MagicalTux -10 took all my lulz away
07:39	gribble	Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
07:39	fluffypony	lol - "If gox is solvent I'll buy you a Frappucino"
07:39	ThickAsThieves	weird
07:39	ThickAsThieves	i never logged out
07:39	ThickAsThieves	gribble blinked?
07:40	ThickAsThieves	i still haz voice tho
07:40	fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: was offline for a bit
07:40	ThickAsThieves	hax
07:40	davout	;;rate jgarzik 3 dem satellites
07:40	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user jgarzik has been recorded.
07:40	davout	;;rate jgarzik 3 dem satellites, dat bounty
07:40	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user jgarzik has changed from 3 to 3.
07:40	davout	;;gettrust ladybytes
07:40	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user davout to user ladybytes: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=davout&dest=ladybytes | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ladybytes | Rated since: never
07:40	mircea_popescu	Al Gore asserted that it’s crucial for global philanthropists to impose “fertility management” on Africa.
07:41	mircea_popescu	if you like your big penis you can keep your big penis.
07:42	asciilifeform	snippetysnip
07:43	davout	;;rate justmoon 1 met IRL, nice guy
07:43	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user justmoon has been recorded.
07:43	fluffypony	looking at the new TLDs that are available...I can get rs.guru
07:43	fluffypony	lawl
07:44	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: mp.ceo is still available
07:44	mircea_popescu	i couldn't care less tbh
07:45	davout	;;rate molecular 1 met IRL, nice guy
07:45	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user molecular has been recorded.
07:45	ThickAsThieves	ceo is a domain tld?
07:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00095222 = 9.3318 BTC [-] {2}
07:46	asciilifeform	do we get a '.wtf' ?
07:46	ThickAsThieves	or .dotdot
07:48	fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: yerp
07:49	fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: you can get tat.ventures
07:49	fluffypony	.enterprises is also available
07:49	ozbot	-.-
07:49	ozbot	-.-
07:49	ozbot	earn currently unavailable
07:49	fluffypony	ozbot: I think I confused you
07:50	*	jurov runs for jurov.vermögensberatung
07:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.52695644 = 4.7426 BTC [+] {5}
07:50	*	fluffypony asks his wife for a translation
07:50	fluffypony	wealth consultant?
07:51	jurov	in practice just salesman of "life insurance"
07:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03199 = 0.16 BTC [-]
07:51	fluffypony	ah ok
07:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04150006 = 0.1245 BTC [-] {3}
07:53	mircea_popescu	blutjunge.verführerinnen ftw
07:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.031988 = 0.128 BTC [-]
07:53	mircea_popescu	jurov i love how english berating and german beratung are cognates.
07:53	asciilifeform	lol!
07:54	mircea_popescu	consultancy, in the germanz view, is "omfg you are so stupid i can not even believe how stupid you are"
07:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.04111429 = 0.2878 BTC [-] {2}
08:04	thestringpuller	kakobrekla: what kind of bot is assbot?
08:04	ThickAsThieves	a kind one
08:04	thestringpuller	>:( unlike ThickAsThieves
08:05	asciilifeform	'tis a machine that threads arses. thought this was clear.
08:08	mircea_popescu	supybot i thought
08:09	asciilifeform	https://web.archive.org/web/20050309210742/http://www.informatics.sussex.ac.uk/users/adrianth/ices96/paper.html
08:09	ozbot	#tex2html_wrap430#
08:09	asciilifeform	^ promised this to people at the conference
08:10	kakobrekla	its not supy
08:10	kakobrekla	i made it so its not anything
08:11	kakobrekla	it was coded way before -assets tbh, then repurchased
08:11	kakobrekla	eh
08:11	kakobrekla	autofail
08:11	kakobrekla	repurposed
08:12	kakobrekla	interestingly it tries to fix the correct word.
08:12	asciilifeform	phun phact. you can't buy a XC6216 now - for love or money.
08:12	kakobrekla	anyway im off for a couple of hrs. later
08:13	asciilifeform	(XC6216 was the one and only known fpga where random wiring was guaranteed -never- to release the magic smoke.)
08:15	asciilifeform	it was also the only xilinx chip with 100% documented internals.
08:18	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/ << updated, lots of stuff. including teh managers/pcs etc.
08:18	ozbot	The wunderbar S.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
08:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 461 @ 0.00095439 = 0.44 BTC [+]
08:24	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: crew man #5 (TaT) sort of reminds me of my first exposure to MPEx.
08:25	mircea_popescu	how so ?
08:25	asciilifeform	well, it was 'here, try to make profit, do what you like'
08:25	mircea_popescu	hehe
08:25	asciilifeform	'here's a chaingun, kid, have fun'
08:26	mircea_popescu	it's how you treat kids you'd like to see grow up into people.
08:28	asciilifeform	i assume all five fronts are manually-driven, like soviet nuke subs ?
08:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.00095197 = 3.6651 BTC [-]
08:31	chetty	http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/EYUaXpcFAArImWCAnJ5nPg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTY4MTtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz05NjA-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2014-04-24T111324Z_1272560593_GM1EA4O15BV01_RTRMADP_3_JAPAN-USA-OBAMA.JPG
08:32	asciilifeform	chetty: lol, mein Führer is permitted near a robot ?!
08:33	davout	mircea_popescu: mazeltov for S.MPIF !
08:35	chetty	asciilifeform, he is bowing to it
08:36	asciilifeform	chetty: good time for a tragic 'bug', i'd say.
08:36	chetty	awww
08:37	mircea_popescu	davout :D
08:37	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yes, which is why they have their own managers
08:38	asciilifeform	in his place, i'd avoid standing next to programmable hydraulics.
08:39	jurov	did obama try google car yet?
08:39	chetty	asciilifeform, nah he has best insurance policy - its called Biden
08:39	asciilifeform	lol
08:40	asciilifeform	http://cs320531.vk.me/v320531523/742f/5YlAkJjGgaA.jpg
08:40	mircea_popescu	benkay sure. a lot of excellent application for homomorphisms in crypto, many of them empowered/exposed by bitcoin
08:40	mircea_popescu	and the subsequent developments in finance.
08:41	asciilifeform	homomorph? what'd i miss in the log?
08:41	asciilifeform	damn
08:43	asciilifeform	benkay: "homomorphic or semi-homomorphic" encryption, where 3 parties each control << this is an entire science. see, for instance, Pascal Paillier's boojum.
08:46	mircea_popescu	whoa http://www.sogou.com/
08:46	mircea_popescu	apparently i'm huge in china
08:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 82 @ 0.00455081 = 0.3732 BTC [-] {3}
08:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00451371 = 0.1535 BTC [-]
08:53	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2014#639568 <<< funny how fucking wrong he were :D
08:53	ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log
08:53	mircea_popescu	i mean... not a single correct one at all. 0. zilch. nada.
08:54	mircea_popescu	"i will take my prize in atc" the man says.
08:55	asciilifeform	now toast to the five sappers. may they never err.
08:56	mircea_popescu	centanni
08:58	Naphex	woot. new servers got here :D
08:58	Naphex	time to do some benchs
08:59	Naphex	2xE5-2640v2 - 4x8GB(RECC) - 8x256GB(SAM/SSD) - LSI9271-8i 2RU :D
09:00	fluffypony	nice
09:01	asciilifeform	;;later tell kakobrekla pcb folks? do they also pick'n'place, SMT?
09:01	gribble	The operation succeeded.
09:01	thestringpuller	asciilifeform: how bout a toast to true capitalism?
09:02	Naphex	2xE5-2620v2 - 4x8GB(RECC) - 2x600GB(ST/SAS) - LSi9260-4i 1RU
09:02	Naphex	for the smallies
09:02	Naphex	:D
09:04	mircea_popescu	chetty https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl_IjnqCUAELlUW.png
09:05	Naphex	haha
09:06	mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl_B5p6CcAAEBhd.png
09:06	mircea_popescu	this dude
09:06	mircea_popescu	why is he not in the wot is what i wanna know. clearly he's seeking the approval of the people that make the world turn
09:07	Naphex	http://gfycat.com/ElderlyAptCorydorascatfish - i loled hard :))
09:07	ozbot	You got goxed - Gfycat
09:07	mircea_popescu	hey, DRKP or KDPR or DERP or wtf it's called secret services : drop the man a memo wtf.
09:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52194701 = 1.0439 BTC [-] {2}
09:08	fluffypony	;;rate kimjongun 1 our glorious leader
09:08	gribble	Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
09:08	fluffypony	:(
09:09	asciilifeform	if the kid can sign up for 'warcraft', why not wot ?
09:10	mircea_popescu	cause the idjits at his ss ain't doin' their job.
09:10	mircea_popescu	you hear me ? put down the white powder and get to work, pancakefaces!
09:10	fluffypony	pankkakefaces?
09:10	mircea_popescu	well they're not french
09:11	mircea_popescu	"1 in 7 crimes committed in New York City now involves an Apple product being stolen."
09:11	mircea_popescu	APPLE TO BE BANNED BY USG
09:17	davout	betar ban ny
09:19	HeySteve	looks like some gox coins went into maidsafe
09:19	HeySteve	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579797.msg6370852#msg6370852
09:20	HeySteve	how you guys all doing today?
09:27	fluffypony	well, it it's good enough for Karpeles, it's good enough for me
09:28	*	fluffypony invests all his ATC in MaidSafe
09:29	Luke-Jr	[13:11:59] <mircea_popescu> APPLE TO BE BANNED BY USG <-- please!
09:30	asciilifeform	s/banned/mandatory
09:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00095084 = 3.2329 BTC [-]
09:36	hanbot	;;rate asciilifeform 1 Valiant soldier of solder.
09:36	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user asciilifeform has been recorded.
09:36	fluffypony	Naphex: opinion on Voxility srl?
09:36	chetty	http://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.111.033601
09:36	ozbot	Phys. Rev. Lett. 111, 033601 (2013) - Stopped Light and Image Storage by Electromagnetically Induced
09:37	asciilifeform	chetty: next thing we know, we're using delay-line storage again.
09:37	asciilifeform	and it's 1958 again.
09:39	chetty	asciilifeform, sometimes I think that would be an improvement
09:39	Naphex	fluffypony: never used them. but i'n genereal i wouldn't run bitcoin services on anything else then dedicated owned servers :P
09:40	fluffypony	Naphex: I'm not, just a friend using them for his ownCloud data (1gbps colocated box)
09:41	asciilifeform	;;rate hanbot 1 had the honour of meeting this user in person.
09:41	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user hanbot has been recorded.
09:42	Naphex	i'm not a fan of the cloud
09:42	Naphex	i still prefer having my own serves(bought hardware), coloc'd at industrial datacenters
09:42	Naphex	where you get an account manager that you know
09:42	Naphex	:P
09:43	fluffypony	Naphex: http://owncloud.org - it's just a FOSS implementation of a Google Drive/DropBox style service, so you have to host your own server to run it
09:43	asciilifeform	that's like building a replica of public toilet in your house.
09:43	asciilifeform	sure, you can... but why
09:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
09:44	fluffypony	asciilifeform: if you're a company that doesn't want to trust your data to DropBox for sensitivity reasons, but still need to have similar functionality, it's great
09:44	fluffypony	not talking about über-paranoid data, but spreadsheets and docs and the like
09:46	asciilifeform	if you're inside friendly walls, even 'nfs' ought to suffice
09:46	hanbot	;;rate davout 1 Delivered a worthy smackdown.
09:46	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user davout has been recorded.
09:46	Naphex	off home. later
09:47	hanbot	;;rate mike_c 1 Steel will, neat skills.
09:47	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mike_c has been recorded.
09:47	fluffypony	asciilifeform: agreed, but this is for contractors and staff scattered all over the place; all ownCloud comm is over an https api
09:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
09:49	fluffypony	the dude looking at the MaidSafe investments: "I've traced back the BTC Guild admin too. There're big guys involved in this scam."
09:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12581 @ 0.00095187 = 11.9755 BTC [+]
09:51	fluffypony	;;later tell bitcoinpete oh look, surprise surprise, stolen mtgox coins have been invested in MaidSafe - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579797.msg6370815#msg6370815
09:51	gribble	The operation succeeded.
09:53	hanbot	;;rate kakobrekla 1 A reliable bloke who rolls a good fag.
09:53	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kakobrekla has been recorded.
09:53	HeySteve	this rickety tincan s'effrican internet can go to the devil
09:53	HeySteve	learnt to tolerate most of it the time but writing breaking news is not the time for this crap
09:54	fluffypony	HeySteve: run a bouncer off a VPS or something, then you won't miss anything
09:54	fluffypony	HeySteve: MTN's fibre-to-the-home stuff is coming later this year
09:54	HeySteve	well there's the log, but it's that I'm trying to verify the story by searching about the blockchain and forum
09:54	fluffypony	should be a lot more stable than DSL
09:54	HeySteve	fluffypony, yeah just heard, praise jebus
09:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00095084 = 3.0427 BTC [-]
09:55	bounce	pfft. some adsl is perfectly stable.
09:56	fluffypony	bounce: depends on your distance to the MSAN here
09:56	fluffypony	most of our phone lines are still on wooden poles
09:57	fluffypony	with a dangly piece of wire running precariously from your roof to the pole
09:57	HeySteve	eh, was just on roof with pole trying to connect to WUG but trees seem to have firmly occluded signals
09:58	HeySteve	not my year for comms
09:58	HeySteve	sure I could've got thru that to someone with better net, despite their "T&Cs"
10:00	HeySteve	http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/breaking-mt-gox-maidsafe-gox-coins-flowing-maidsafe-ipo/2014/04/24
10:02	fluffypony	HeySteve: you linked to blockchain.info/ru/tags which is russian
10:03	HeySteve	damn
10:03	HeySteve	thanks man
10:04	HeySteve	just saw it was in english
10:04	asciilifeform	the hell's 'maidsafe'
10:04	asciilifeform	defence against 'evil maid attack' ?
10:04	davout	mircea_popescu: hanbot == mpoe-pr i presume?
10:04	HeySteve	I ain't 100% sure myself but basically decentralised interwebs
10:04	HeySteve	a bit like Freenet I think
10:05	asciilifeform	if like freenet, it needs coin why?
10:05	HeySteve	seemed nice from the PR I guess? then there was some associated bullshit with Mastercoin pay-ins to get MaidSafe coins - I didn't really follow the story tho
10:05	HeySteve	so it seems scammy and now Karpeles is jumping in to the scam pool
10:05	HeySteve	apparently
10:06	davout	;;rate hanbot 1 delivered a fuckton of worthy smackdowns
10:06	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user hanbot has been recorded.
10:08	hanbot	davout oui
10:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 74 @ 0.00470969 = 0.3485 BTC [+] {2}
10:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00095084 = 4.2788 BTC [-]
10:08	ThickAsThieves	welcome hanbot!
10:08	hanbot	why ty
10:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 281 @ 0.00471 = 1.3235 BTC [+]
10:10	fluffypony	asciilifeform: it's basically exactly like Freenet except for some reason they "need" $3.5 mil to write the software and launch
10:10	hanbot	;;rate thickasthieves 1 Conscientious reflector.
10:10	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user thickasthieves has been recorded.
10:12	HeySteve	fluffypony where did you find that quote from the guy looking into Maidsafe?
10:12	fluffypony	HeySteve: on the thread
10:12	fluffypony	lemme find it
10:12	fluffypony	HeySteve: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579797.msg6372186#msg6372186
10:15	asciilifeform	;;rate Oleanie 1 live human!
10:15	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Oleanie has been recorded.
10:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 800 @ 0.14 = 112 BTC
10:17	HeySteve	thanks
10:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
10:24	hanbot	;;rate jurov 1 A dili-, intelli-, gent.
10:24	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user jurov has been recorded.
10:25	jurov	you're welcome. coinbr customer or?
10:25	fluffypony	jurov: [16:04:49] <+davout> mircea_popescu: hanbot == mpoe-pr i presume?
10:25	asciilifeform	yes
10:25	hanbot	nod
10:25	jurov	oh :)
10:26	asciilifeform	fluffypony: they "need" $3.5 mil << one could build a... submarine. for this
10:26	bounce	and then you have a submarine. then what?
10:26	fluffypony	asciilifeform: so going back to your bitcoin-undersea-nodes idea;)
10:26	asciilifeform	bounce: unterseeminer
10:26	fluffypony	^^
10:27	asciilifeform	just example.
10:27	ThickAsThieves	the pinodecchio would need to be located in places deemed unfishable
10:27	jurov	how would they broadcast? ultrasound? or they'll automatically seek and tap fiber?
10:27	asciilifeform	;;google SOFAR
10:27	gribble	Sofar Sounds: <http://sofarsounds.com/>; SOFAR channel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOFAR_channel>; Eminem - So Far (Lyrics On Screen) - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSEXEiY72JA>
10:27	bounce	maybe cheaper to get a 2nd hand sea platform or something
10:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00095187 = 8.8048 BTC [+]
10:28	asciilifeform	bounce: platform - psh. the whole point is to put them where nosy parkers can't get at them
10:28	asciilifeform	or, when they do, barometer triggers detonator
10:29	bounce	parkers? but wouldn't a cold war bunker be cheaper then?
10:29	asciilifeform	bounce: not if you want 10,000 of them
10:29	fluffypony	if anyone wants me to put them down as a CoinBr referral...first to give me their invitation code gets it
10:30	asciilifeform	consider the cost of sailing to just one precisely-specified coordinate pair in the deep sea
10:30	bounce	that's 3.5e11 dollahs. maybe a little on the spendy side.
10:31	bounce	oh, 3.5e10, my bad.
10:31	asciilifeform	point was, if the only object is to put machines in physically-inaccessible places, rather than cover the planet with radio, the sea is a more appropriate place than orbit.
10:31	bounce	do you need mobility? access?
10:31	asciilifeform	no mobility
10:31	asciilifeform	no repair
10:32	asciilifeform	just ampoules of inconel alloy, straddling the thermocline.
10:32	asciilifeform	with some very simplish silicon inside.
10:32	bounce	then concrete caissons might be more appropriate.
10:32	asciilifeform	1km down?
10:32	asciilifeform	lol
10:33	bounce	why not? just thicken them up a bit. perhaps fill with cooling liquid if pressure becomes a problem. no need for air inside.
10:34	asciilifeform	no need for caissons. plain anchors would suffice.
10:34	ThickAsThieves	fluffypony Q9gPSuUvYS
10:34	fluffypony	oh there we go
10:35	fluffypony	just in time
10:35	bounce	you're trying to play a numbers game. why the spendy alloys when something stupid like concrete would do?
10:35	jurov	saltwater breaks down concrete
10:36	jurov	or at least permeates
10:36	jurov	you'd like your payload dry, i suppose
10:39	bounce	plastic liner, perhaps mineral oil instead of air for a filler
10:40	bounce	entirely underwater appears to be less of a problem than half-submerged
10:42	bounce	http://www.concreteconstruction.net/concrete-construction/salt-water-concrete.aspx
10:42	ozbot	Salt-water Concrete - Concrete Construction
10:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03249999 = 0.13 BTC [+] {2}
10:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0435 = 0.261 BTC [+] {2}
10:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0325 = 0.13 BTC [+] {2}
10:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.0742218 = 0.4453 BTC [-]
10:53	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19659 @ 0.00095061 = 18.688 BTC [-] {4}
10:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24041 @ 0.00094938 = 22.824 BTC [-] {2}
11:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 850 @ 0.14 = 119 BTC
11:02	fluffypony	crumbs, so someone suggested returning the mtgox coins sent to MaidSafe to the sender - so Dan Larimer from BitShares says: "Sending them back to the thief? That makes no sense. They should either be sent to the bankruptcy court, destroyed as dividends to bitcoin holders, or used for development of maidsafe... the only thing that must not happen is the issuance of Safecoin to the thief."
11:02	fluffypony	meanwhile there are 6 hops between the "mtgox" address and the ScamSafe address, any of which could be an exchange or a tumbler
11:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9949 @ 0.00095187 = 9.4702 BTC [+]
11:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00094924 = 13.3843 BTC [-] {2}
11:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.032948 = 0.1977 BTC [+]
11:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
11:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0415 = 0.2075 BTC [-]
11:16	mike_c	kakobrekla feature request: it would be nice to have yes/no bets confirmed/weighted sum in the BB json. it can be calculated from the bets, so not high priority, but if you're bored :)
11:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
11:17	ThickAsThieves	i have additional request, a "scroll to bottom" button on the log
11:18	ThickAsThieves	mostly for mobile
11:18	mike_c	to avoid having to press the 'end' key?
11:18	mike_c	ah
11:18	ThickAsThieves	unless there is some magical stroke in android?
11:18	mike_c	not that i know of
11:18	jurov	yes, for tables it's nice too. i had to install some obscure threefinger dolphin plugin
11:19	jurov	for "scroll to end"
11:28	mike_c	and if you're in there, small bug report: weight_current is an int, but weight_end is a string.
		~ 16 minutes ~
11:44	ThickAsThieves	apparently i know a guy that knows a guy here: https://www.atlasats.com/about
11:44	ThickAsThieves	well,
11:44	ThickAsThieves	https://www.atlasats.com
11:44	ThickAsThieves	seems the offer options
11:44	ThickAsThieves	they
11:45	mike_c	multi-tiered multi-firewall. sounds secure!
11:47	ThickAsThieves	^0^
11:48	benkay	jurov that porn star bank thing is just unreal
11:49	ThickAsThieves	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/24/voicemail_still_easy_to_hack/
11:51	fluffypony	ThickAsThieves
11:51	fluffypony	those are the guys that are partnering with that "National Stock Exchange" crowd?
11:52	fluffypony	yes looks like they are
11:53	benkay	mircea_popescu: regarding the emacs thing, it's just a bit of lisp to make working with gribble and assbot a little more pleasant.
11:58	benkay	ThickAsThieves re neo hackers, what'd mircea_popescu say? they're looking for incompetent leadership?
12:01	fluffypony	http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-04-24/
12:02	benkay	who is hanbot ?
12:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.55993150 BTC to 7`105 shares, 36030 satoshi per share
12:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1170 @ 0.00095187 = 1.1137 BTC [+]
12:02	benkay	hanbot, who are you?
12:02	benkay	;;gettrust hanbot
12:02	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask hanbot!~hanbot@unaffiliated/hanbot. Trust relationship from user benkay to user hanbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=hanbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=hanbot | Rated since: Wed Dec 11 14:42:14 2013
12:02	asciilifeform	benkay: hanbot aka mpoepr
12:02	hanbot	benkay MPOE-PR
12:03	jurov	ThickAsThieves: did you publish the email somewhere?
12:03	benkay	was hoping. nice to have you.
12:03	benkay	;;rate hanbot 1
12:03	gribble	Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
12:03	benkay	wat
12:04	benkay	is there an ident timeout?
12:04	benkay	;;eauth benkay
12:04	gribble	Request successful for user benkay, hostmask benkay!~user@2600:4402:c002:3::854:fb5e. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
12:04	hanbot	benkay cheers
12:04	benkay	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b6805062a69d88d6bbd941cb26ed5f37f08141da4d583b9f9ce7e73e
12:04	gribble	You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
12:04	ThickAsThieves	<+benkay> ThickAsThieves re neo hackers, what'd mircea_popescu say? they're looking for incompetent leadership? /// wow, good call
12:04	benkay	;;rate hanbot 1
12:04	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user hanbot has been recorded.
12:05	benkay	still curious about timeout
12:05	ThickAsThieves	yes jurov the latest email says: HI John,
12:05	ThickAsThieves	thank you very much for your input and for pointing our a direction! It most certainly helps.
12:05	ThickAsThieves	We will approach #bitcoin-assets and see how it goes.
12:05	ThickAsThieves	We registered on bitangels.co and we asked Mike Hearn to be our technical advisor and he accepted.
12:05	ThickAsThieves	Thanks much!
12:05	ThickAsThieves	Michalis
12:05	benkay	;;unrate fluffypony
12:05	gribble	Error: You have not given this nick a rating previously.
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12:06	benkay	;;unrate cgcardona_
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12:06	benkay	;;unrate dignork
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12:06	benkay	;;unrate TestingUnoDosTres
12:06	gribble	Error: The target nick does not exist in the database.
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12:07	benkay	mas bueno.
12:07	ThickAsThieves	jurov otherwise i'll leave it to them to present a more elaborate document of their plan
12:08	fluffypony	benkay: mass unrates?
12:09	ThickAsThieves	looks like rates he gave for +m purposes
12:09	benkay	<fluffypony> with a dangly piece of wire running precariously from your roof to the pole << and i thought the romanian internet situation was dire.
12:10	benkay	fluffypony, ThickAsThieves i'm testing a scarcity hunch
12:10	benkay	i'll let you know how it goes in a decade.
12:10	fluffypony	benkay: when the wind blows that piece of wire hits a tree and our Internet drops
12:10	asciilifeform	benkay: the romanian internet situation was dire << don't know about the rest of Ro, but in Timis. there were fiber bundles as thick as a man's neck, everywhere.
12:10	fluffypony	and we have reboot the router to reconnect
12:11	ThickAsThieves	"At ZeroBlock, we encourage all exchanges in the bitcoin community to adopt FIX protocol, if they haven’t already. "
12:11	ThickAsThieves	mpex better get with teh programz!
12:11	ThickAsThieves	https://blog.blockchain.com/2014/04/24/zeroblock-release-fix-api/
12:11	ozbot	Zeroblock Releases FIX API Spec for Bitcoin Trading | Blockchain Blog
12:12	benkay	asciilifeform: mircea_popescu posted a picture a few months back of the amusing repair job done on the wire into his house/
12:13	asciilifeform	i think it was a plant of his, rather than house
12:13	dexX7	;;later tell fluffypony re: "Blockchain.info still have to approve tags based on the reference material" -> http://canibuildasitehandlingotherpeoplesmoney.com/b.html
12:13	gribble	The operation succeeded.
12:14	benkay	house, plant. employees, slaves...
12:14	fluffypony	dexX7: LOL
12:15	fluffypony	admittedly their approval process isn't much of a process
12:15	fluffypony	"ctrl+f...ok cool approve"
12:17	benkay	<ThickAsThieves> unless there is some magical stroke in android? << my android has some magical strokes, ThickAsThieves, but i'm not sharing :D
12:17	dexX7	hehe yup, something like that
12:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25030 @ 0.0009517 = 23.8211 BTC [-] {2}
12:17	dexX7	it's pretty much worthless related to verification, e.g. https://blockchain.info/address/1111111111111111111114oLvT2
12:19	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform> s/banned/mandatory << interestingly enough, these two are practically the same thing.
12:19	asciilifeform	'all which is not forbidden is compulsory'
12:20	mircea_popescu	Naphex where are you hosting, tesari's magical oradea dc ?
12:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 223 @ 0.00084219 = 0.1878 BTC {2}
12:24	Naphex	mircea_popescu: gts telecom
12:24	Naphex	bucharest
12:25	Naphex	deficated locked down racks
12:25	mircea_popescu	<fluffypony> with a dangly piece of wire running precariously from your roof to the pole << funny, that's how romania does optic fibre.
12:25	Naphex	highly recommend it
12:25	benkay	defecated racks?!
12:25	benkay	now with poop security.
12:26	asciilifeform	dangly piece of wire running precariously from your roof to the pole << exactly what i have here
12:26	Naphex	benkay: hehe sorry ben, using phone
12:26	Naphex	in bed and laizy :)
12:26	benkay	no apologies necessary.
12:26	asciilifeform	underground comms - expensive
12:26	fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: FIX is quite an interesting, old (early 90's) protocol that is basically pipe-char separated key-values (key is always numeric and based on a predefined list), and you literally dump the ASCII over a TCP session
12:26	fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: slides - http://www.slideshare.net/aiQUANT/fix-protocol-overview-1697394
12:26	mircea_popescu	<davout> mircea_popescu: hanbot == mpoe-pr i presume? < aye
12:27	Naphex	fix sucks
12:27	fluffypony	asciilifeform: when we were still in Cape Town it had all been replaced with underground in our area, so it was dangly piece of wire straight into plastic trunking at the curb
12:27	mircea_popescu	<asciilifeform> ;;rate Oleanie 1 live human! <<< women aren't human!
12:27	Naphex	but i wrote a interface for it just in case :p
12:28	mircea_popescu	<bounce> and then you have a submarine. then what? << then they could hold their breath ? :D
12:28	fluffypony	Naphex: it's significantly faster for HFT than a RESTful API :)
12:28	Naphex	for sure
12:28	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: martian?
12:29	fluffypony	Naphex: I'm impressed you're ready to support it, you should go tell Blockchain that you're the first in the world to do so :-P
12:29	fluffypony	Naphex: https://blog.blockchain.com/2014/04/24/zeroblock-release-fix-api/
12:29	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform venusian!
12:29	asciilifeform	lol
12:30	Naphex	will deff integrate with rtbtc
12:30	Naphex	zeroblock
12:30	mircea_popescu	<fluffypony> i think you misunderstand the entire maidsafe thing. they just saw the bitbet treatment of late bets and are trying to implement something a) bigger and b) community-positive.
12:31	mircea_popescu	missing the point that it's small and community-negative FOR FUCKING REASONS
12:31	mircea_popescu	because that's what the would-be smart idiots not in here do : they misinterpret and misread my designs.
12:31	mircea_popescu	rather luciferic.
12:32	fluffypony	I don't understand...maidsafe's trying to do a bitbet?
12:32	mircea_popescu	the entire " They should either be sent to the bankruptcy court, destroyed as dividends to bitcoin holders, ~or used for development of maidsafe~..." thing
12:33	fluffypony	oh Danny boy's quote, tks, have context nao
12:33	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves> <+benkay> ThickAsThieves re neo hackers << lol i actually said EXACTLY that.
12:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4642 @ 0.00095176 = 4.4181 BTC [+]
12:33	ThickAsThieves	so maidsafe wants to moderate what color money itll accept now?
12:34	mircea_popescu	<ThickAsThieves> We registered on bitangels.co and we asked Mike Hearn to be our technical advisor and he accepted. << this can't possibly go any other way than lulz
12:34	fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: yerz...hence this post: http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-04-24/
12:34	ThickAsThieves	cuz taking on celebrity bitcoin advisers has worked so well so far
12:35	ThickAsThieves	your blog is pretty
12:35	mircea_popescu	<ThickAsThieves> mpex better get with teh programz! << who's zeroblock is more the q.
12:35	Naphex	mircea_popescu: former rtbtc
12:35	mircea_popescu	!up dooglus
12:35	assbot	Voicing dooglus for 30 minutes.
12:36	mircea_popescu	dooglus you know how to up yourself ?
12:36	fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: tks, it's jekyll, which generates static html from markdown basically, and uses this jekyll theme: https://github.com/caarlos0/up
12:36	mircea_popescu	<Naphex> deficated locked down racks << only way to go, wd.
12:37	mircea_popescu	<Naphex> fix sucks << fix sucks in the sense the old volga car sucks.
12:37	mircea_popescu	it WAS a great beast. no longer very useful other than an old codger who once ruled his slice of the world,
12:37	mircea_popescu	to learn from.
12:37	Naphex	thq thq
12:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9285 @ 0.00095453 = 8.8628 BTC [+] {2}
12:38	Naphex	severs rock too, should carry lots
12:38	mircea_popescu	!up efalken
12:38	assbot	Voicing efalken for 30 minutes.
12:38	mircea_popescu	Hello!
12:39	ThickAsThieves	if anyone is feeling like a cringe: http://bitshares.org/
12:39	mircea_popescu	everyone : efalken is the guy who wrote the piece about mimics we read earlier
12:40	ThickAsThieves	efalken has seen the forums yet? :)
12:40	mircea_popescu	lol. i'm trying to argue this angle where bitcoin is for intelligent life forms.
12:40	fluffypony	REIMAGINE EVERYTHING
12:41	*	fluffypony reimagines sex and buy BitShares
12:41	mircea_popescu	;;us thq
12:41	gribble	Error: "us" is not a valid command.
12:41	mircea_popescu	;;ud thq
12:41	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=THQ | Jun 24, 2007 ... THQ. abreviation for "team hit and quit" one guy dates a girl, fucks her, dumps her , and then his friend does the same. Me and my best friend ...
12:41	ozbot	Urban Dictionary: THQ
12:41	mircea_popescu	Naphex srsly ?
12:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16040 @ 0.0009564 = 15.3407 BTC [+] {3}
12:42	Naphex	Naphex: seriously what?:o
12:42	Naphex	damn phone, sec let me move
12:43	mircea_popescu	phones are so useful :D
12:43	benkay	mircea_popescu: you starve me of my due credit oh bitlord
12:43	benkay	welcome efalken
12:43	mircea_popescu	benkay what'd i do ?
12:44	benkay	i suppose anyone can stitch the falken links together
12:44	mircea_popescu	meanwhile from the sad news department, what'll be the jd s.mpif investment stands at 49.99508744
12:44	benkay	BUT I CRAVE APPROVAL
12:44	mircea_popescu	we're already in the red ;/
12:44	mircea_popescu	benkay wait wait be explicit
12:45	jurov	should have invested in coinroll
12:45	asciilifeform	since i've been living under a rock, i gotta ask - is jd just sd with new fuel rods?
12:45	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it's sd done by a better guy, with a better model.
12:45	benkay	mircea_popescu: i believe i brought the mimicry post to everyone's attention.
12:45	benkay	but anyways.
12:46	mircea_popescu	benkay so you did!
12:46	benkay	whatever irrelevant. the joke was actually about whiny young americans.
12:46	mircea_popescu	if anyone proposes we devoice you i'll make sure to mention it, how about that ? :D
12:46	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: take the 0.00491256 difference out of my Trilema credits
12:46	fluffypony	:-P
12:46	mircea_popescu	i'll be all like, "naw man, who;s gonna bring us the good mimes anymoar"
12:47	benkay	har if i'm up for devoicing the sybils've won and i better skeedaddle anyways.
12:47	mircea_popescu	interesting how that works.
12:47	mircea_popescu	efalken to speak you type in the lower bar and hit enter
12:48	jurov	!up mjr_
12:48	assbot	Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.
12:48	mircea_popescu	!up tris
12:48	assbot	Voicing tris for 30 minutes.
12:48	fluffypony	tris: every time I see your host I think you're from Etherium and have come to convince me to "invest"
12:49	ThickAsThieves	that would be lovely
12:49	mircea_popescu	isn't it ethereum ?
12:49	ThickAsThieves	vitalik should come for a visit
12:49	mircea_popescu	so tell him.
12:49	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: ah yes, I can never remember
12:51	mircea_popescu	the nefarious influence of mp : ThickAsThieves wants to ask me q's in private, ends up making a new blog to publish the results on.
12:51	mircea_popescu	basically... i'm the denudificator.
12:52	asciilifeform	verführer ?
12:53	asciilifeform	kakobrekla: your apparatus is losing umlauts again.
12:53	mircea_popescu	isn't that a demon ?
12:53	asciilifeform	'seducer' (leader-astray)
12:53	asciilifeform	you taught us the word today
12:54	mircea_popescu	zersetzungszelle verführer!
12:54	benkay	;;seen randomcat
12:54	gribble	I have not seen randomcat.
12:54	benkay	;;seen random_cat
12:54	gribble	random_cat was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 6 days, 12 hours, 3 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <random_cat> next year?
12:54	benkay	!up random_cat_
12:54	assbot	Voicing random_cat_ for 30 minutes.
12:54	benkay	hey random_cat_
12:54	benkay	lol 3 pings. ideally that'll get someone's attention.
12:55	mircea_popescu	!jd
12:55	assbot	Just-Dice stat: 16297 BTC profit, 35.9k BTC invested, 1092.27 mio bets, 5.20 mio BTC wagered
12:55	asciilifeform	where's tat's blog ?
12:56	mircea_popescu	cooking.
12:56	Naphex	mircea_popescu: q, if user wants to change gpg key. req gpgauth. if lost only real-life iding process will recover
12:56	Naphex	sounds right?
12:56	Naphex	IDing
12:56	mircea_popescu	it's how nanotube runs the wot.
12:56	mircea_popescu	probably should include proeminent warnings to ppls.
12:56	asciilifeform	wait he forgives lost keys ?!?!?
12:56	jurov	http://mpex.coinbr.com/faq.html#24 < naphex
12:56	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform if you beg him.
12:56	mircea_popescu	and he knows you.
12:57	mircea_popescu	maybe.
12:57	jurov	oh he meant wot
12:57	Naphex	thx jurov
12:57	asciilifeform	lost key, lost soul
12:58	Naphex	there are clients who go and wait by the atmi
12:59	Naphex	after selling their btc
12:59	Naphex	without hitting withdraw. then they call mad
12:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06778 = 0.2711 BTC [-]
12:59	mircea_popescu	lmao
12:59	mircea_popescu	i wouldn't touch the romanian derpage, myself.
13:00	Naphex	or others who just fill the deposit form
13:00	Naphex	and wait for us to withdraw money from their account
13:00	Naphex	:)
13:00	mircea_popescu	should just ship these fellows over to obama
13:01	mircea_popescu	i miss old style prisoner exchange things. "give me these guys that belong to us, you can have these twerps that'll prolly fit there better"
13:01	mircea_popescu	then one rainy night in berlin...
13:02	asciilifeform	Glienicke Brücke
13:02	Naphex	:))
13:02	asciilifeform	unrelated:
13:02	asciilifeform	http://imgur.com/e8MOim6
13:02	ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer
13:03	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ^ what are these
13:03	asciilifeform	zaporozhets?
13:03	Naphex	that a lada? :p
13:03	mircea_popescu	mnah.
13:03	mircea_popescu	that's a dacia 1310
13:04	mircea_popescu	engine (2 cycle) is in the... back.
13:04	asciilifeform	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/ZAZ-968_front.jpg
13:04	mircea_popescu	wait wrong
13:04	mircea_popescu	dacia 1100
13:04	asciilifeform	(zaporozhets. my folks had one. very similar looking)
13:04	mircea_popescu	(bulgarrenault 8)
13:05	mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/embed/XPR84AGLw_M << 1950s advert.
13:05	ozbot	RECLAMA COMUNISTA dacia 1100 - YouTube
13:05	Naphex	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPR84AGLw_M la start!
13:05	ozbot	RECLAMA COMUNISTA dacia 1100 - YouTube
13:05	Naphex	omg
13:05	Naphex	:((
13:06	Naphex	MD still talks like that:]
13:06	mircea_popescu	5/hour. bath paint.
13:06	mircea_popescu	46cp,
13:07	mircea_popescu	Naphex md ?
13:07	Naphex	moldova
13:07	mircea_popescu	a
13:08	asciilifeform	speaking of such ads,
13:08	asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxMluSU6Frw
13:08	ozbot	Tatra 603 ad - YouTube
13:08	dooglus	hi guys
13:08	jurov	welcome dooglus
13:08	mircea_popescu	hey dooglus
13:08	jurov	;;ident dooglus
13:08	gribble	Nick 'dooglus', with hostmask 'dooglus!~biufter@unaffiliated/dooglus', is identified as user 'dooglus', with GPG key id 4BE6A010492A358E, key fingerprint 258EAE7C26B1F2EBCFA180C04BE6A010492A358E, and bitcoin address 1Doog7asLrYah3yeUppBVj8nUYnFkmXm2N
13:09	dooglus	I noticed you had voiced me for 30 minutes about 31 minutes after it happened
13:09	mircea_popescu	lol
13:09	mircea_popescu	anyway, you id with gribble, you pm assbot !up and you're good.
13:09	dooglus	assbot ignores 'help' - but google told me about !up
13:09	dooglus	well, I did all that - or I wouldn't be talking now
13:10	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla mebbe assbot should reply to help
13:10	mircea_popescu	dooglus hehe yeah
13:10	benkay	would it be a terrible idea to allow people to request voice in chan via pm once every so many minutes?
13:10	benkay	via pm to assbot
13:11	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform btw what's the tatra truck thing ? god i loved those
13:11	asciilifeform	http://www.tatratrucks.com ?
13:12	mircea_popescu	benkay like, once every half hour someone (anyone) can pm assbot "!plz" and assbot will dump in chan "Anyone wanna !up X?"
13:12	asciilifeform	still in business, it seems
13:12	dooglus	would it be useful if I made the S.MPIF Just-Dice account balance visible to the public?
13:12	mircea_popescu	dooglus it can't hurt anything. you know which it is ?
13:12	dooglus	I've no idea
13:12	mircea_popescu	sec
13:13	benkay	mircea_popescu: that's exactly it.
13:13	mircea_popescu	700458
13:13	dooglus	thanks
13:13	mircea_popescu	holy shit you've had a ton of new accts huh
13:13	mircea_popescu	this can't be legitimate, you got spammed ?
13:13	mike_c	now we can watch and see if that account is betting with pif money too :)
13:13	mircea_popescu	lol i don't see how it could, but yeah
13:14	mike_c	jd creates a new account whenever someone not-cookied visits JD
13:14	*	mircea_popescu ponders whether his 3 digit jd acct is worth money :D
13:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6468 @ 0.00094923 = 6.1396 BTC [-]
13:15	Duffer1	mp ask nokawa he might be interested :P
13:15	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform was a particular type of them. ro military used them extensively.
13:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4889 @ 0.00094923 = 4.6408 BTC [-]
13:16	mircea_popescu	Tatra 813 turns out.
13:16	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: worked on them?
13:16	mircea_popescu	me ? no, i was like 5.
13:16	asciilifeform	lol
13:16	mircea_popescu	but they were awesome.
13:16	mircea_popescu	and bs, you could never find models. only models of these other shitty trucks
13:16	mircea_popescu	it scarred my childhood i tell you.
13:17	mircea_popescu	8x8 drive, that thing.
13:17	asciilifeform	could run on kerosene! neat
13:17	mircea_popescu	it ran on toluene,
13:18	mircea_popescu	or whatever else.
13:19	mircea_popescu	!up justusranvier
13:19	assbot	Voicing justusranvier for 30 minutes.
13:19	mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot justusranvier
13:19	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user justusranvier: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=justusranvier | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=justusranvier | Rated since: Mon Feb 11 19:56:55 2013
13:19	mircea_popescu	aok
13:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52141571 = 1.5642 BTC [-] {3}
13:24	benkay	http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304279904579517934206301354?mod=trending_now_3
13:25	mircea_popescu	ozbot pls to tell me wtf link is cause otherwise i just ignore them ty.
13:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2800 @ 0.0001306 = 0.3657 BTC [-] {5}
13:26	asciilifeform	benkay: no prizes for guessing what mega-subsidy like this does to the price.
13:26	asciilifeform	imagine if, rather than this, student loan were secured by... disassembly for organs
13:27	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the us has a serious problem with the absnece of an evil empire.
13:27	ThickAsThieves	blog is in progress, need to wait for domain to propagate and some other bs
13:27	mircea_popescu	they couldn't be secured by organ harvesting, but they could be secured by sale to evil empire of fuckland
13:28	mircea_popescu	where one lives on a boat in a 2x3 space, separated by a hanging sheet from all the other prostitutes
13:28	asciilifeform	what does fuckland do with the male idiots?
13:28	asciilifeform	butugychag?
13:28	benkay	cage matches.
13:28	mircea_popescu	either that or... idem. apparently people pay to fuck males, too.
13:28	benkay	o ya
13:28	benkay	wait really?
13:28	asciilifeform	niche product.
13:28	asciilifeform	(literally...)
13:29	benkay	i thought the homo scene was all about dat promiscuity.
13:29	mircea_popescu	here's a fun bit of the history of racism in europe :
13:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.068 = 0.272 BTC [+]
13:30	mircea_popescu	gypsies always have lived as nomads. most of the ancient roman empire is inhabited by sedentary farmer types. the differences are quite marked, and children are wired to react negatively to difference.
13:30	mircea_popescu	consequently, for centuries, the ultimate parental threat was, "i'ma give you to the gypsy man, who comes by with a sack to collect bad kids"
13:30	Naphex	thats taboo now though!
13:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00095533 = 12.4671 BTC [+] {3}
13:30	mircea_popescu	in typical eeuropean quaintness, your average gypsy worker guy with a sack would generously play the part, for the benefit of any mom needing it
13:31	mircea_popescu	sort-of like spontaneous adult complicity.
13:31	asciilifeform	the mega-lol being, that these folks would literally rather steal anything else
13:31	mircea_popescu	yup
13:31	mircea_popescu	esp the mother.
13:31	mircea_popescu	!up zedong
13:31	assbot	Voicing zedong for 30 minutes.
13:32	asciilifeform	even selling the female lusers, that'd be a serious haircut
13:32	mircea_popescu	(my braindead use of "racism" ethnically reflects merely the confused use of the term by the people most likely to use it, i disclaim any other implication)
13:32	asciilifeform	considering what they'd be worth on international market
13:33	asciilifeform	not exactly 'FDA Grade A'
13:33	mircea_popescu	there's an international market for badly brought up western females ?
13:33	asciilifeform	gotta be
13:33	asciilifeform	even pig shit can be sold
13:33	mircea_popescu	maybe if someone's looking for exclamation point counting services.
13:34	dooglus	"whether his 3 digit jd acct is worth money" -- probably a little for vanity's sake, and more if it has a negative investment profit
13:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52145683 BTC [+]
13:35	dooglus	(accounts with negative profit pay no commission until the loss is recouped)
13:35	mircea_popescu	dooglus i believe the vanity value is actually an indirect measure of jd worth
13:35	asciilifeform	you can use 'vi' instead of 'emacs' if you were to buy a parenthesis-counting slavegurl ?
13:36	Naphex	dooglus: ever tought about putting out an API? I've heard of guys who'd want to put JustDice in a Romanian Gabling Machine :)
13:37	mircea_popescu	he has an api im pretty sure
13:37	Naphex	the ones the put in 'birts', what are they called mircea_popescu ?
13:37	Naphex	pacanelele
13:37	Naphex	:)
13:37	mircea_popescu	Naphex whoa srsly ? how'd it work tho ?
13:37	asciilifeform	this is good point, dice gizmos ought to be physically present, blinkenlighs, bells, in boozing houses.
13:38	Naphex	mircea_popescu: probably with btc from the bar, and house buys btc back.
13:38	Naphex	atleast thats how i heard it proposed
13:39	mircea_popescu	getting the bar to grok btc processing tho...
13:39	mircea_popescu	Naphex you should build an api to support his api to make it easy for bars.
13:39	mircea_popescu	offer guaranteed values for a week, say.
13:40	Naphex	btcxchange-rpc api should support mostly anything. but i'm swamped
13:40	Naphex	working on the btc payments gateway
13:40	asciilifeform	adding booze to diceatrons - this'd be like lithium deuteride booster for nuke.
13:40	asciilifeform	just what doctor ordered.
13:40	Naphex	so they can start advertising to online stores
13:41	mircea_popescu	dooglus you been putting any work into getting a physical machine ?
13:41	Naphex	physical machine wouldn't be hard at all
13:42	mircea_popescu	things that wouldn't be hard at all usually take upwards of six months.
13:42	Naphex	mircea_popescu: http://www.alienconcept.ro/
13:43	benkay	<mircea_popescu> things that wouldn't be hard at all usually take upwards of six months. << this again and again
13:43	mircea_popescu	definitely something to do there tho.
13:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2369 @ 0.00095245 = 2.2564 BTC [-]
13:50	BingoBoingo	;;rate hanbot 3 Only Functional part of Bitcointalk
13:50	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user hanbot has been recorded.
13:51	mircea_popescu	"and if thy functional part offends thee, cut it out!"
13:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00471 = 0.1978 BTC [+]
13:54	kakobrekla	hello.
13:54	kakobrekla	so many messages.
13:55	mircea_popescu	high amount of phone messages ?
13:55	kakobrekla	<mircea_popescu> kakobrekla mebbe assbot should reply to help < "!help" works ??
13:55	mircea_popescu	!help
13:55	assbot	List of commands:
13:55	assbot	!up (desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given sufficient WOT rating)
13:55	assbot	!up <nick> (desc: sending it on chan will give <nick> voice for 30 minutes)
13:55	assbot	!ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
13:55	assbot	!last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
13:55	assbot	!mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
13:55	assbot	!rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
13:55	assbot	!exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
13:55	assbot	!jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)
13:55	assbot	!bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
13:55	assbot	!quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
13:55	kakobrekla	<asciilifeform> kakobrekla: your apparatus is losing umlauts again. < hmm ??
13:55	mircea_popescu	shit.
13:55	ThickAsThieves	!exchanges
13:56	mircea_popescu	(desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given sufficient WOT rating) | (desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given you're identified with gribble and in assbot's L2 WoT)
13:56	mircea_popescu	?
13:56	kakobrekla	<mike_c> kakobrekla feature request: it would be nice to have yes/no bets confirmed/weighted sum in the BB json. it can be calculated from the bets, so not high priority, but if you're bored :) < hm maybe but that is basic algebra, i try not to pass things that one can easily calc
13:56	mircea_popescu	not to pass things that one can easily calc << that's the correct design imo.
13:56	kakobrekla	<hanbot> ;;rate kakobrekla 1 A reliable bloke who rolls a good fag. < jurov must be jelly
13:57	kakobrekla	<asciilifeform> ;;later tell kakobrekla pcb folks? do they also pick'n'place, SMT? < afaik one of them still do, i can check.
13:57	mike_c	fair enough.
13:59	benkay	http://butt.holdings/
14:02	mircea_popescu	butt.butt
14:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00095778 = 16.5217 BTC [+] {3}
14:02	kakobrekla	<asciilifeform> kakobrekla: your apparatus is losing umlauts again. < ah, the "ü" thing. dunno, ill see what can i do about that.
14:03	BingoBoingo	http://gawker.com/notorious-troll-says-he-will-create-trolly-hedge-fund-c-1566707098
14:03	ozbot	Notorious Troll Says He Will Create Trolly Hedge Fund Called "TRO LLC"
14:04	BingoBoingo	Rabit replies in the comments
14:04	BingoBoingo	*rabite
14:07	kakobrekla	>> Andrew "Weev" Auernheimer, the infamous hacker and troll,
14:07	kakobrekla	who ??
14:08	mircea_popescu	the at&t guy
14:09	kakobrekla	ah
14:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 900 @ 0.14 = 126 BTC
14:10	mircea_popescu	http://37.media.tumblr.com/7f78eaba6f8c738f84f36ee55c260237/tumblr_mwxmio0Agj1spl2qwo1_r2_500.jpg
14:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4538 @ 0.00013015 = 0.5906 BTC [-] {7}
14:13	jborkl_	nice, very nice
14:14	jborkl_	Almost done integrating a blockexplorer to my site- just waiting on the blockchain to dl
14:14	mircea_popescu	what's it called ?
14:15	mircea_popescu	http://37.media.tumblr.com/8f90e02d75f0f25a5100e83b60ec2e63/tumblr_n2r3zaCgd01qewacoo1_500.jpg
14:16	mircea_popescu	moiety http://24.media.tumblr.com/dd2adf09ed083e47c37107345099885c/tumblr_mqm7n600fP1qb6t6wo1_400.gif
14:17	moiety	lololololol "dafuq?!"
14:17	jborkl_	it is going to be on bcoinnews.com for now I guess- I could always put it on btcrack.com
14:19	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if we get someone trustworthy doing mining at some point << the way i understand it, mining is -EV unless you own a semiconductor plant.
14:19	asciilifeform	or at least have a share in one
14:20	jborkl_	99,999 blocks to go-
14:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.043999 = 0.176 BTC [+] {2}
14:22	ThickAsThieves	http://www.coindesk.com/xapo-launches-bitcoin-debit-card-accepted-at-all-mastercard-locations/
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14:24	Naphex	ThickAsThieves: i think they just have a multi-account system, issue a mastercard, give USD, take BTC
14:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-]
14:24	mircea_popescu	http://24.media.tumblr.com/1f95eb0bc80f1dad9b6eeb0b02c2f516/tumblr_mzywjikI5j1qzfebyo1_500.jpg
14:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00095535 = 1.6241 BTC [-]
14:28	Naphex	"Casares explained that Xapo added the product due to demand from current customers who have wanted a way to spend the roughly 10% of their funds (on average) they keep in the company’s hot wallets. The remainder is stored securely in cold storage."
14:28	mircea_popescu	http://24.media.tumblr.com/05faecbf33aaf001d27edb312fafe63e/tumblr_n413uzJHKh1s2yegdo1_r1_400.gif
14:28	moiety	would probably get further with that lil dude than most customer services people mircea_popescu
14:28	Naphex	so.. customer stores btc, credit 10% of btc value to corporate issued mastercard, use spends it. hold the btc
14:28	Naphex	i think thats mostly it:o
14:29	mircea_popescu	;;seen wences
14:29	gribble	wences was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 44 weeks, 5 days, 17 hours, 53 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <wences> mircea, are you here?
14:30	Naphex	the roughly, and average chitchat, is if bitcoin values moves, you might have less then that 10% of the value on the card. until it readjusts
14:31	Naphex	nice move, doable. mastercard might have a field day though :D
14:31	mircea_popescu	ok this shit's too cute : http://31.media.tumblr.com/fc31e4ae9fa57a23c45ab56261b69f7f/tumblr_mjd0u9f3Fj1qd5hzfo2_500.jpg http://37.media.tumblr.com/58a4e0f2ecced5023e43e1056d6b6ee3/tumblr_mjd0u9f3Fj1qd5hzfo3_500.jpg http://24.media.tumblr.com/e2d8ad05821d4990523d453dd473b812/tumblr_mjd0u9f3Fj1qd5hzfo1_500.jpg
14:32	moiety	i just made an entirely unnatural noise, not gonna lie
14:32	mircea_popescu	you QUEEFED because of my tiny turtle pix ?
14:32	moiety	right into a jar (thinking ahead)
14:32	mircea_popescu	lmao
14:33	mircea_popescu	"i have the special QueefCaptu underwears! only 19'95 at selected retailers"
14:34	moiety	bahahaha "surprisingly comfortable too"
14:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00095626 = 3.06 BTC [+]
14:36	moiety	or 0.0561 BTC*
14:37	mircea_popescu	http://37.media.tumblr.com/42bd2627a419a203c58d37f3299a4a5e/tumblr_mzz5fo4agd1s199fdo1_400.gif
14:37	moiety	i wonder how long 1QUEEFS would take to generate....
14:37	mircea_popescu	5 letters. not so bad.
14:38	moiety	aw i doubt i have any caps in the house to recreate that last one, damnit
14:38	BingoBoingo	If all caps is a must it will take longe rthough
14:38	moiety	1Queefs?
14:39	moiety	i think allcaps looks better
14:41	fluffypony	it was on the 24th day of April
14:41	fluffypony	in the year of 2014
14:41	fluffypony	that mircea_popescu declared #bitcoin-assets become /r/awww
14:41	fluffypony	and thus it was
14:41	mircea_popescu	RAW!
14:41	moiety	queefs are aww?
14:42	moiety	https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152347282685874
14:42	mircea_popescu	did you know seals can get hickups ?
14:42	moiety	actually a video
14:42	mircea_popescu	http://37.media.tumblr.com/a3bbb07a4142b2e45314ee3446a28ab5/tumblr_n3tf9cll861qbwg0zo1_500.gif << proof.
14:42	moiety	jesus, pretty violent hiccups too!
14:42	ThickAsThieves	http://rt.com/politics/154056-russian-bloggers-mass-media/
14:43	Naphex	BingoBoingo: hey, if you have any suggestions, annoiances or any feedback regarding usage of btcxchange, shoot any time. :D
14:44	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00095535 = 2.7705 BTC [-]
14:44	BingoBoingo	Naphex: I can't think of any atm
14:46	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/UtwRmkm.png
14:46	fluffypony	turtle approval is at an all time high
14:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1695 @ 0.00095535 = 1.6193 BTC [-]
14:49	fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: http://gigaom.com/2014/04/24/a-debit-card-for-bitcoin-xapo-solves-the-payment-problem-with-mastercard-tie-in/
14:49	fluffypony	"This story was updated at 9:52am PT to reflect the fact that Xapo does not have a formal relationship with MasterCard, but only that it hopes to have one through a partner bank. This is contrary to earlier claims made by Xapo to Gigaom both in person and in writing that Xapo would issue a MasterCard-branded debit card. A MasterCard representative confirmed that it has no relationship with Xapo."
14:50	fluffypony	I don't have a submarine, but I hope to have one through a military contractor...I can haz press coverage nao?
14:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.06968754 = 1.0453 BTC [+] {2}
14:51	mircea_popescu	they ate the swrawberry for a week afterwards
14:52	mircea_popescu	" but only that it hopes to have one through a partner bank"
14:52	mircea_popescu	so bitcoin.
14:52	ThickAsThieves	sigh
14:52	bounce	huh, there's actually a(t least one) shipyard in cuba
14:52	ThickAsThieves	that makes them like the 11th co to claim a btc credit card
14:52	ThickAsThieves	all bs
14:53	ThickAsThieves	so this DarkMarket thing
14:53	ThickAsThieves	can the gov make it illegal to run the app?
14:54	bounce	didn't germany already outlaw the likes of nmap?
14:54	ThickAsThieves	it seems each user is a host of the network
14:55	ThickAsThieves	A user downloads the DarkMarket software, which runs as a daemon in the background of the user’s operating system, allowing them to connect to the DarkMarket network through any browser. The DarkMarket daemon incorporates a library of commands for peer-to-peer networking known as ZeroMQ, which allows the user’s PC to become a node in a distributed network where every user can
14:55	ThickAsThieves	communicate directly with every other user.
14:55	ThickAsThieves	http://www.wired.com/2014/04/darkmarket/
14:55	ozbot	Inside the ‘DarkMarket’ Prototype, a Silk Road the FBI Can Never Seize | Threat Level | WIRED
14:55	bounce	zeromq is a p2p thing now?
14:56	fluffypony	I actually have a BTC debit card from the now defunct thebitcoincard.co.uk
14:56	fluffypony	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=213832.msg2705402#msg2705402
14:56	ozbot	First prepaid card to exchange Bitcoins
14:57	fluffypony	ended up just being a tc debit card
14:57	fluffypony	and you have to wade through a French website to activate it
14:57	fluffypony	and then you used to be able to buy overpriced BTC from thebitcoincard.co.uk and they'd load it on your card in fiat
14:57	fluffypony	so stupid
14:58	HeySteve	I see a reputation system as pretty critical to the success of something like dark markets
14:58	HeySteve	bitwasp too, where one can have ephemeral markets that come and go like a stream of soap bubble worlds
14:59	HeySteve	verifiable and community-rated identities across these markets is key to improving trade
15:00	HeySteve	it's all very well to dodge the federales, but not if it will likely land you in the clutches of scammers
15:02	ThickAsThieves	are you daying DarkMarket doesnt have such system?
15:02	ThickAsThieves	saying*
15:02	pankkake	fluffypony: oh god, it's our friend dotcoin/bitcoinbourse … https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=189119.0
15:03	HeySteve	ThickAsThieves: "At the moment, DarkMarket displays only a bare IP address for every user..."
15:03	ThickAsThieves	lol
15:03	HeySteve	there is linkage between nicks and public keys, but no mention of rating
15:03	*	fluffypony clicks
15:04	ThickAsThieves	i recall taaki's presentation including such
15:04	ThickAsThieves	or at least methods of conflict resolution
15:04	ThickAsThieves	if it is dark, wtf does show ip?
15:04	fluffypony	pankkake: LOL - I had no idea, no wonder their product was so shitty
15:04	HeySteve	ThickAsThieves, they haven't programmed that bit yet but they seem to expect someone will soon...
15:05	HeySteve	ThickAsThieves, you watched their presentation in Canada?
15:06	HeySteve	ah wait my mistake, they do say they have a rep system
15:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00095626 = 6.2157 BTC [+]
15:11	Naphex	incoming split?
15:16	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10345 @ 0.00095663 = 9.8963 BTC [+] {2}
15:19	mircea_popescu	The DarkMarket daemon << is this just a rebranded tor bundle thing ?
15:19	mircea_popescu	onion or w/e it was called
15:19	mircea_popescu	!up France-bitcoin
15:19	assbot	Voicing France-bitcoin for 30 minutes.
15:19	mircea_popescu	France-bitcoin srsly ? what a name.
15:20	bounce	why such hate? france AND bitcoin. what's not to love?
15:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06968754 = 0.1394 BTC [+]
15:21	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1980 @ 0.00095843 = 1.8977 BTC [+] {2}
15:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2370 @ 0.00095875 = 2.2722 BTC [+]
15:22	punkman	The DarkMarket daemon << is this just a rebranded tor bundle thing ? << no it looks like a piece of shit implemented on top of 0mq, which didn't even do security for the first few major versions
15:22	France-bitcoin	mircea_popescu, a blog name...
15:23	mircea_popescu	punkman for the love of meh. why not just rebundle tor.
15:23	mircea_popescu	win-win wtf.
15:23	fluffypony	bounce: too many Frenchman in France, maybe that's his problem :-P
15:24	mircea_popescu	davout pankkake etc will be pleased to hear :D
15:24	France-bitcoin	yeah we know each other :)
15:25	France-bitcoin	i'm here because gribble does not integrate #bitcoin-fr mostly
15:25	France-bitcoin	we are working on that
15:25	mircea_popescu	o that's a thing ?
15:25	bounce	sheesh, even nickserv registered. such original nickname.
15:25	pankkake	France might end up with more tourists than French
15:26	punkman	mircea_popescu: they plan to add Tor but still, I don't think it's prudent to 0mq with random nodes
15:26	France-bitcoin	ah pankkake :)
15:26	fluffypony	pankkake: surely the French would never allow it!
15:26	mircea_popescu	punkman prolly not.
15:27	mircea_popescu	-BitBot- NB : le chan est loggé et les archives sont publiées à l'adresse suivante : http://bitcoin.powaaa.com/irc/
15:27	mircea_popescu	liek a supybot or what is it ?
15:27	fluffypony	"On international tests, American children rank 25th in math and 21st in science, despite the push for greater accountability through No Child Left Behind. What’s more, although America is falling behind in math, our kids are first in confidence. American students get terrible math scores compared to their international peers, but they think they’re great in math—in fact, they have more confidence in their math skills than students from
15:27	fluffypony	any other country."
15:27	fluffypony	http://www.education.com/magazine/article/waiting-superman-means-parents/
15:27	ozbot	"Waiting for Superman": What it Means for You and Your Child | Education.com
15:28	BingoBoingo	http://complex.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/03/17/bad_romance_france_s_17_billion_warship_deal_with_russia_gets_new_scrutiny
15:29	mircea_popescu	lol they actually managed to get charles de gaulle seaworthy ?
15:29	mircea_popescu	!up VictorM
15:29	assbot	Voicing VictorM for 30 minutes.
15:29	davout	!up VictorM
15:29	assbot	Voice for VictorM extended to 30 minutes.
15:29	mircea_popescu	ha-ha!
15:29	davout	yea, i've been talking for a couple of minutes before realizing i didn't voice myself ><
15:29	davout	so i was saying
15:30	davout	France-bitcoin: gribble is on #bitcoin-fr what are you talking about
15:30	davout	also that my apartment got broken into this afternoon, probably some french people...
15:30	France-bitcoin	gribble is giving a list of chan to be on to proceed
15:30	bounce	damage?
15:30	France-bitcoin	you could have asked on pv :)
15:30	mircea_popescu	davout he means it's not on the auth list.
15:31	davout	France-bitcoin mircea_popescu ahh i see
15:31	mircea_popescu	cause nanotube wanted to keep some sort of tabs on what chans you can auth from, which is sensible.
15:31	France-bitcoin	should add ours
15:31	davout	bounce: negligible, most of the hassle is the broken window and the time lost with the police
15:31	davout	mircea_popescu: how is it sensible?
15:31	France-bitcoin	that would avoid this kind of "stuff"
15:32	davout	France-bitcoin: if you're doing business you should probably hang around the "authable" chans anyway
15:32	nanotube	davout: i just added #bitcoin-fr to auth list, by bad_duck's request. so... there.
15:32	mircea_popescu	davout for one, there's peeps trying to scamhunt, they gotta idle in all chans that allow authing
15:33	France-bitcoin	well the welcoming party here is nice :) I should think about that yeah :)
15:33	davout	nanotube: thanks!
15:33	mircea_popescu	cause while scammers usually id in pm, they still gotta be in chan
15:33	nanotube	davout: np. keep an eye out for scammers.
15:33	davout	nanotube: will do
15:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 56 @ 0.03299639 = 1.8478 BTC [+] {8}
15:34	davout	;;rated nanotube
15:34	gribble	You have not yet rated user nanotube
15:34	France-bitcoin	we don't have any on our channel as far as i know...
15:34	nanotube	France-bitcoin: that's cool. we should all move there, then. :)
15:34	davout	;;rate nanotube 1 kind sir
15:34	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user nanotube has been recorded.
15:35	nanotube	;;rate davout 1 old timer
15:35	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user davout has been recorded.
15:41	France-bitcoin	stop rubbing each other guys :)
15:42	France-bitcoin	now i just got to debug some strange stuff with gribble privately and I will leave you alone
15:42	fluffypony	oooh la la
15:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0335 = 0.1005 BTC [+]
15:43	davout	France-bitcoin: publicly might be better if you're debugging gribble and if it's not too noisy :D
15:43	HeySteve	http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/author/sara-medina
15:43	HeySteve	good night all
15:43	bounce	isn't that what #gribble is for?
15:43	fluffypony	lol customers...ticket just got escalated to me: "I run the 8th largest magazine in the world" - maybe I should reply and ask them what they're doing buying GPU mining frames
15:44	France-bitcoin	well i did need to connect here (or another chan on the list...) then do it privately which is what i'm talking about
15:44	davout	bounce: you got a point
15:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53137777 = 1.0628 BTC [+] {2}
15:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 134 @ 0.0075 = 1.005 BTC [+]
15:46	davout	the xapo story is interesting, wonder where it will go
15:46	davout	given that mastercard is pretty anti-bitcoin
15:46	fluffypony	davout: I met with one of the banks here last year August-ish about it
15:46	fluffypony	they have VISA and MasterCard prepaids
15:47	fluffypony	and they said that in general MC and VISA don't care what they issue
15:47	fluffypony	and that their auth systems on the back-end don't even have to be actual currency
15:47	davout	fluffypony: mastercard opposed bitinstant's card, and they also opposed ours when we wanted to issue one in partnership with aqoba
15:47	fluffypony	oic
15:47	fluffypony	couldn't you have gone with a VISA partner?
15:48	bounce	except they might at the drop of a hat decide that they don't like where some of their users send their money and stop doing it
15:48	davout	so, as soon as they actually hear about it they'll fuck the deal up
15:49	davout	fluffypony: the psp we were working with was working with mastercard, custom cards are mostly mastercard's thing, not really visa's
15:49	davout	but in theory there's nothing that prevents visa from doing it
15:49	davout	i'm off, stomachs don't just fill themselves
15:50	fluffypony	have fun - buon appetit
15:50	davout	!up France-bitcoin
15:50	assbot	Voicing France-bitcoin for 30 minutes.
15:50	davout	fluffypony: merci!
15:51	France-bitcoin	thx davout, still taking care of the kids and the gribble thing is not finished yet...
15:51	kakobrekla	davout what is the story with xapo?
15:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00095875 = 3.5953 BTC [+]
15:52	davout	kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2014#640741
15:52	kakobrekla	the log pft. ill remove it just so i dont have to read it.
15:52	fluffypony	kakobrekla: the GigaOm article is better because it contains an embarrassing update
15:52	fluffypony	http://gigaom.com/2014/04/24/a-debit-card-for-bitcoin-xapo-solves-the-payment-problem-with-mastercard-tie-in/
15:52	ozbot	Updated: A debit card for bitcoin: Xapo could solve the payment problem with help from banks —
15:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 98 @ 0.0335 = 3.283 BTC [+]
15:54	kakobrekla	they use bitstamp, fucking great.
15:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 58 @ 0.0742218 = 4.3049 BTC [-]
16:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 3.51308395 BTC to 13`595 shares, 25841 satoshi per share
16:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 58 @ 0.0335 = 1.943 BTC [+]
16:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 26 @ 0.0742218 = 1.9298 BTC [-]
16:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.0335 = 0.6365 BTC [+]
16:04	asciilifeform	re: darkmarket: anything vaguely approaching this is (at least by thinking people) regarded as 'guilty until proven innocent' of honeypot
16:04	asciilifeform	and ought to be designed accordingly
16:05	ThickAsThieves	alrighty here's the tat blog http://devilsadvocate.biz/flirting-with-s-mpif/
16:05	asciilifeform	unfortunately, 'designed accordingly' consists, imho, entirely of the weirdo heresy that only i seem to believe in.
16:05	ThickAsThieves	i'll surely be tweaking the style and widgets etc
16:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00095875 = 0.9588 BTC [+]
16:06	asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: surprised that you haven't taken the offer yet - it sounds like fun.
16:07	ThickAsThieves	it's not a matter of lack of interest
16:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5455 @ 0.00095535 = 5.2114 BTC [-]
16:09	kakobrekla	the devils advocate?
16:09	kakobrekla	is this a new blog of yours?
16:10	kakobrekla	i gotta give it to you, you pick some strange names
16:12	kakobrekla	'thieves', 'devil', ... are dem cute pirates coming too? :)
16:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 145 @ 0.06800759 = 9.8611 BTC [-] {4}
16:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.0742218 = 0.668 BTC [-]
16:15	BingoBoingo	I feel special, ThickAsThieves gets no insight into my operations othe than what I might publically disclose.
16:16	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5395 @ 0.00095481 = 5.1512 BTC [-]
16:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105 @ 0.00095875 = 0.1007 BTC [+]
16:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 122 @ 0.00762908 = 0.9307 BTC [+] {5}
16:19	kakobrekla	ascii, dunno if you got my
16:19	kakobrekla	pm, if im not on your whilelist i can paste here
16:20	kakobrekla	whitelist*
16:23	asciilifeform	kakobrekla: got it
16:23	kakobrekla	kk
16:23	asciilifeform	kakobrekla: no pricing info on site, unfortunately
16:24	kakobrekla	its not customary for such ops to do that here.
16:24	kakobrekla	you send in what you want and they spit out the number.
16:25	asciilifeform	kakobrekla: atm i'm looking for folks with reasonably cheap pcb stuffing for obscenely small quantities (<50)
16:25	asciilifeform	this may or may not exist.
16:25	kakobrekla	they do small runs
16:25	asciilifeform	in that industry, 'small' typically means less than 10,000
16:26	ThickAsThieves	[16:09] <+kakobrekla> the devils advocate? /// one of my fav movies, also a term many people have used on me, also what i feel the essence of blogging is
16:26	ThickAsThieves	taking the other side
16:26	kakobrekla	they even offer submitting it to the bucket and they print when they have one full board used
16:26	kakobrekla	that is used for small diyers
16:26	asciilifeform	kakobrekla: for pcb fab only (where such is typical) or smt placement?
16:26	kakobrekla	pcb fab only
16:26	asciilifeform	i'm pretty happy with my current supplier for those
16:27	asciilifeform	doubt that anyone can beat the chinese slavefarms for pcb
16:27	kakobrekla	i wasnt saying that
16:28	kakobrekla	just saying its not an issue to get it done
16:28	kakobrekla	even doing placement on a small run
16:29	kakobrekla	not 10k
16:29	asciilifeform	for pcb, my current supplier gives me, believe or not, 3 day turnaround, incl. airplane from cn to us
16:29	kakobrekla	but 100 boards
16:29	asciilifeform	ok that sounds promising
16:29	asciilifeform	kakobrekla: you know the owner personally?
16:30	kakobrekla	not the owner, a guy who works at the second link i gave you
16:30	asciilifeform	aha
16:30	kakobrekla	he might be co owner not sure
16:30	fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: I expected you as more of a Devil Wears Prada kinda guy :-P
16:30	kakobrekla	but whatever-
16:31	ThickAsThieves	not sure what that means, am i the bitch or the bitch?
16:31	ThickAsThieves	:)
16:35	ThickAsThieves	not sure if youve any interest, or whether it's a good idea, but i'd be happy to try and connect you to Friedcat at ASICMINER if you think he might have any connections of interest re pcb or components
16:36	mike_c	did everyone get home from the conference and start mining atc? nethash is booming.
16:36	asciilifeform	;;gettrust Friedcat
16:36	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user asciilifeform to user Friedcat: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=asciilifeform&dest=Friedcat | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Friedcat | Rated since: never
16:37	ThickAsThieves	friedcat himself isnt exactly reliable, but he might have resources
16:37	Naphex	;;ident
16:37	gribble	Nick 'Naphex', with hostmask 'Naphex!~naphex@btcxchange.ro', is identified as user 'Naphex', with GPG key id 64CDBADCE1E0BBAF, key fingerprint F3D76A985F5844814A93F46364CDBADCE1E0BBAF, and bitcoin address 12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu
16:37	ThickAsThieves	i aint mining teh ATCs!
16:37	asciilifeform	when a fellow isn't reliable, hard to be sure how much because of his own head and how much because he relies on muppets.
16:38	Naphex	what is atc?
16:38	fluffypony	Naphex: teh only altcoin
16:38	ThickAsThieves	www.therealaltcoin.org
16:38	fluffypony	https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/4081-altcoin-atc-information/
16:38	Naphex	sorry, don't follow alts
16:38	ThickAsThieves	thats the point!
16:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 250 @ 0.00762649 = 1.9066 BTC [-] {7}
16:40	fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: are asicminer still planning on manufacturing to sell to miners, or are they now all in-house mining only? I haven't kept tabs in ages
16:40	ThickAsThieves	i havent either
16:40	ThickAsThieves	but they just posted a big update this week
16:41	ThickAsThieves	jutarul posted it
16:41	ThickAsThieves	if ter interested
16:41	ThickAsThieves	yer
16:41	fluffypony	ok will checksie
16:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.0009539 = 9.7298 BTC [-] {2}
16:45	fluffypony	find ./ -type f -name '*.py' | xargs sed -i '' 's/http:\/\//https:\/\//g'
16:45	fluffypony	wrong button
16:46	asciilifeform	given what i know about the miner builders, i'm not certain i'd want to purchase so much as shoelaces from anyone associated
16:46	asciilifeform	but i could be convinced otherwise, given new data
16:46	ThickAsThieves	yeah i wouldnt force it
16:47	ThickAsThieves	more like a, ifyerinapinch kinda thing
16:47	asciilifeform	no pinch
16:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06961251 = 0.1392 BTC [-]
16:47	asciilifeform	just keeping options open
16:47	bounce	apparently blockchain removed the fix api announcement?
16:47	asciilifeform	my main purpose in asking here is to sound out the possibility that someone knows such an operator in person, and can vouch for him.
16:51	Naphex	;;seen tcatm
16:51	gribble	I have not seen tcatm.
16:51	fluffypony	asciilifeform: I can you put you in touch with the Italians that are doing stuff for us, I know the owner well and can vouch for him, and they routinely work with small quantities
16:52	asciilifeform	fluffypony: if it's no secret, what did you do with them?
16:53	fluffypony	asciilifeform: no secret at all - we have a design for a remote power on/power off system for mining rigs that we're busy finalising with them
16:53	fluffypony	lemme pastebin it out the proposal
16:53	fluffypony	asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=zimEPURt
16:53	fluffypony	that's what they've designed with us and are busy prototyping atm
16:54	asciilifeform	fluffypony: care to say approximate cost of the prototype run?
16:54	fluffypony	lemme grab my notes and I'll tell you
16:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00095561 = 3.8224 BTC [+]
16:56	fluffypony	"For the initial batch we can use manual soldered components, so, we can avoid to have the master piece plate for SMD components to buy, and move to SMD only if production batches will go over 1000 pieces."
16:56	fluffypony	"easy also to prototipe, so i expect to have a "few prototipes" costs between 15/20$ each, and a production price no more than 10/12$ each for low batches ( ~ 100 pieces )"
16:56	fluffypony	(that was for the board that goes into the BeagleBone for the master unit)
16:57	midnightmagic	ooOoo
16:57	fluffypony	"For the slaves, i was thinking about using a pic18f67j60, it is an 8 bit MCU with an ethernet mac/phy embedded, and it is very powerfull. the same circuit we have for the expansion board with this MCU and a magnetic rj45 connector will cost the same for prototipes and no more than 15$ each in production for low batches."
16:57	kakobrekla	you are 2 years late with this shit
16:57	asciilifeform	nobody's manually soldering a tqfp-64.
16:58	asciilifeform	(not that it can't be done, but nobody on the planet will do it for $20.)
16:58	fluffypony	asciilifeform: have you seen this - http://elm-chan.org/docs/wire/wiring_e.html
16:58	fluffypony	:-P
16:59	asciilifeform	sure.
16:59	mike_c	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJAByNlfkyE
16:59	asciilifeform	once again, virtually anything can be done under a good microscope, with steady hands
16:59	fluffypony	anyway, I can get him to hop on here and you can have a chat to him and see
16:59	asciilifeform	it's simply that it's a bitch
16:59	asciilifeform	fluffypony: sure, let's, i appreciate the effort
17:01	fluffypony	oh he's on freenode already
17:01	fluffypony	[22:59:59] nextime signed on at 21 April 2014 at 10:35:57 PM SAST and has been idle for 39 minutes, 43 seconds
17:01	fluffypony	I've pinged him
17:02	mike_c	that video is impressive (to me). i couldn't do that.
17:02	fluffypony	mike_c: I don't have the steady hands
17:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0695839 = 0.2088 BTC [-]
17:03	asciilifeform	mike_c: http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/laser/new.png
17:04	asciilifeform	mike_c: hand. messy. but worked
17:04	asciilifeform	this isn't how it's normally done, though, one applies paste and reflows.
17:04	mike_c	his does look a little neater :) but results are what counts.
17:04	asciilifeform	('paste' is a substance with roughly the appearance and consistency of toothpaste, with small solder globules suspended.)
17:07	Naphex	gn o/
17:07	fluffypony	night Naphex
17:08	mircea_popescu	;;later tell heysteve https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/459438537163538432 cuz i gotta do all the work around here
17:08	gribble	The operation succeeded.
17:08	mircea_popescu	<davout> fluffypony: mastercard opposed bitinstant's card, and they also opposed ours when we wanted to issue one in partnership with aqoba << or that's what auoba told you, anyway.
17:09	mircea_popescu	!up Sorcier_FXK
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17:09	davout	mircea_popescu: how would it make any sense for aqoba to take us as client and somehow make up some lie about mastercard being anti-bitcoin?
17:10	Sorcier_FXK	thx
17:10	davout	the guys made money from custom debit cards
17:10	mircea_popescu	((testing footnotes plugin!)) << fail
17:11	ThickAsThieves	i left it in just for you
17:11	mircea_popescu	davout you ever were a client of anyone else before ?
17:12	davout	please, do explain your reasoning
17:13	fluffypony	http://www.sunnyskyz.com/uploads/2014/01/xty1s-phteven-funny.jpg
17:13	mircea_popescu	mike_c> did everyone get home from the conference and start mining atc? nethash is booming. << what's it yet ?
17:13	mike_c	next diff change suggest 2 THs
17:14	mircea_popescu	o.O
17:14	mircea_popescu	<bounce> apparently blockchain removed the fix api announcement? << yeah lol. this is "pr" according to teh vc circus.
17:16	mircea_popescu	davout suppose your isp decides not to put optic fiber in your neighbourhood becauise you're all faggot gypos there and they don't like you.
17:16	mircea_popescu	sop you call support and are explained that well... they can't put fiber there because they can't push the light uphill.
17:16	mircea_popescu	all good.
17:17	mircea_popescu	what your provider claim, on its own, is not worth two shits.
17:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06955678 = 0.2087 BTC [-]
17:18	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: over here, this traditional reply usually comes with a five, six (usd) figure quote for running the fiber. (add insult to injury)
17:20	mircea_popescu	anyway, if Me llamo Sara y me apasiona la tecnología shows up, voice her and treat her nice. ima go fuck around.
17:20	davout	mircea_popescu: suppose it'd make actual economical sense to pull the fibre up to where you live, and suppose also that the whole business model of your internet provider is putting fibre in shitty neighborhoods because that's what they do
17:21	fluffypony	!up nextime
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17:21	fluffypony	asciilifeform, meet nextime
17:21	fluffypony	nextime meet asciilifeform
17:21	nextime	hi all
17:22	*	nextime is reading about cardano
17:23	thestringpuller	;;gettrust nextime
17:23	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user nextime: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=nextime | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nextime | Rated since: never
17:23	thestringpuller	lol
17:24	nextime	yeah! \o/ i'm virgin :D
17:26	asciilifeform	!up nextime
17:26	assbot	Voicing nextime for 30 minutes.
17:27	nextime	asciilifeform can we talk here in public or you prefer in query?
17:27	asciilifeform	nextime: only here.
17:27	nextime	asciilifeform : ok, as you prefer
17:27	asciilifeform	nextime: what would you like to know?
17:27	asciilifeform	nextime: do take the trouble to read the published material first.
17:27	fluffypony	asciilifeform: this is the guy re: the PCB stuffing
17:27	fluffypony	sorry should've clarified that
17:28	asciilifeform	fluffypony, nextime - ok
17:28	nextime	asciilifeform : fluffypony say me you are searching for pcb builder that is low cost, right?
17:28	asciilifeform	nextime: there is already a source for the pcb per se; but i'm shopping around for assemblers.
17:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06953299 = 0.2781 BTC [-] {3}
17:29	asciilifeform	nextime: kitted or turnkey build, either, works
17:30	nextime	ok, great, my company basically do low batches production and prototypes, and then we do assembly for bigger batches ( and for bigger batches as usual we just build pcb with an external fab )
17:30	asciilifeform	nextime: i should probably specify that pcb is to be sent in (we already have a good working relationship with a pcb maker)
17:31	nextime	asciilifeform : not an issue at all
17:32	nextime	asciilifeform : so, maybe you can just drop me an email with specifications and part list, so i can give you a quotation for assembly both in turnkey and kitted?
17:32	asciilifeform	nextime: let's try this. approx. quote for ~200 smt part count, smallest = 0805, one side.
17:32	asciilifeform	nextime: 50 units.
17:33	asciilifeform	nextime: kitted (we mail in parts and pcb)
17:33	asciilifeform	i'd like a ballpark figure, incl. NRE.
17:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00095456 = 7.541 BTC [-]
17:34	nextime	asciilifeform : how many unique parts?
17:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1712 @ 0.00007514 = 0.1286 BTC [-]
17:36	asciilifeform	nextime: ~40.
17:37	nextime	on 50 pieces we are ~ at 20$ each
17:37	asciilifeform	no tooling fee?
17:37	asciilifeform	and what would be the turnaround time?
17:38	nextime	for 20$ in a week, tooling fee if we will have a continued relationship isn't an issue
17:38	asciilifeform	nextime: if we will have a continued relationship << this can't really be promised until the fee is paid and results delivered, can it.
17:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 794 @ 0.0001296 = 0.1029 BTC [-]
17:40	nextime	asciilifeform : of course, but i can bet on my quality :) really, tooling isn't a real cost for us, many assembly company charge tooling cause they wan't to have low batches, we live with low batches
17:40	nextime	:)
17:40	asciilifeform	nextime: i'd really appreciate a ballpark estimate.
17:42	nextime	asciilifeform : for tooling? as i say, nothing. We usually choose to absorb this cost hoping to get fidelity, as is a little cost in real.
17:43	asciilifeform	ok now we're cooking.
17:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06954 = 0.1391 BTC [+]
17:44	asciilifeform	unit has through-hole parts. how are these handled?
17:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06981505 = 0.3491 BTC [+] {2}
17:45	nextime	for through-hole parts we work by hands actually ( we are a small company as i say )
17:45	asciilifeform	ok
17:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8453 @ 0.00095537 = 8.0757 BTC [+] {2}
17:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00452378 = 0.2488 BTC [-] {3}
17:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 24 @ 0.00838979 = 0.2014 BTC [+] {6}
17:47	asciilifeform	nextime: what do you require for a kitted build (e.g. minimal tape lengths for smt parts, what format for the pick'n'placer)
17:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.009 = 0.108 BTC [+] {2}
17:51	nextime	asciilifeform : if you give me an email i will send you as soon as tomorrow ( is holyday tomorrow in italy, but i'm a stakanovist and i will be in laboratory ) i will send you a pdf with all specifications of our requirements
17:52	nextime	( sorry for the delay in my answers, i'm doing some multitasking things with my childs at home actually )
17:53	jborkl_	ma che vuoi?
17:54	jborkl_	only Italian I know
17:54	nextime	rotfl
17:55	nextime	jborkl_ : a little bit better than my english :)
17:56	jborkl_	I have a Swiss friend here who teaches me a little time to time
17:56	fluffypony	!up nextime
17:56	assbot	Voicing nextime for 30 minutes.
17:57	nextime	jborkl_ : so, let me say that in italy we usually say "che cazzo vuoi?" instead of "ma che vuoi?", a little bit more rude, but more common
17:58	jborkl_	ma che stai diciendo
17:58	nextime	"dicendo"
17:58	asciilifeform	nextime: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ea.png
17:58	jborkl_	oops
17:58	asciilifeform	nextime: please use pgp (my wot key)
17:58	nextime	asciilifeform: ok, i will
17:58	asciilifeform	nextime: thx
17:59	jborkl_	I will make sure to use that on him :) thx
18:00	nextime	jborkl_: so, let's get more rude again: use "che cazzo dici?" instead of "ma che stai dicendo?"
18:00	nextime	:D
18:00	jborkl_	excellent
18:01	jborkl_	we went and saw motogp and he was yelling when Rossi got cut off in Italin- pretty funny to ear
18:01	jborkl_	hear
18:02	nextime	lol, i can imagine what you mean :) Italian speakers on motogp and motor sports in general are... uhmmm... "funny"? :)
18:03	jborkl_	I can't understand anything, but you know when they are pissed off
18:05	nextime	ok, anyway, i must go back to my daddy role now, asciilifeform i will send you infos tomorrow ( as italy time ) after lunch when i will be in my laboratory
18:05	nextime	ciao!
18:14	ThickAsThieves	What was the website for SatoshiJack again?
18:14	ThickAsThieves	he told me ATC is working now
18:14	ThickAsThieves	but went away
18:14	ThickAsThieves	before i could respond
18:18	fluffypony	http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_RUSSIA_PUTIN_INTERNET?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
18:19	fluffypony	"President Vladimir Putin on Thursday called the Internet a CIA project"
18:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00095959 = 6.4772 BTC [+] {2}
18:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06809901 = 0.5448 BTC [+]
18:31	ThickAsThieves	;;rate hanbot 2 Every rose has its thorn
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18:35	kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583258.0
18:35	mircea_popescu	stakanovist hahaha
18:35	mircea_popescu	;;rate nextime 1 is a stahanovist!
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18:36	mircea_popescu	;;later tell nextime get in the wot eh.
18:36	gribble	The operation succeeded.
18:36	mircea_popescu	fluffypony srsly dood, get teh noobs to wot.
18:37	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I will :)
18:37	BingoBoingo	http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/24/my-role-in-s-mpif/
18:37	fluffypony	kakobrekla: that's actually quite interesting
18:37	kakobrekla	is it? i havent followed the link
18:37	fluffypony	they've been around for a year or so
18:37	fluffypony	and it's not free to list
18:38	fluffypony	let me see if I can find an article
18:38	fluffypony	here: http://www.wamda.com/2013/06/a-global-startup-stock-exchange-platform-just-launched-is-it-a-good-bet-for-arab-startups
18:38	mircea_popescu	<jborkl_> only Italian I know << what, no rottinculo, no disgraziati, no nothing ?
18:38	fluffypony	costs about $5 500 for a company to list
18:38	fluffypony	and there are several stages including due dilligence
18:38	fluffypony	I'm not sure if them adding Bitcoin as a funding option will draw much interest from the BTC community tho
18:39	kakobrekla	ah they do fiat scams instead?
18:39	moiety	i just did this stupid quiz thing and i kid you not http://i.imgur.com/yqI6Qr2.png
18:39	fluffypony	kakobrekla: spot on
18:41	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves satoshijack.com no ?
18:41	mircea_popescu	"I wanted to share this new exciting news with you all. The Startup Stock Exchange (SSX) is now the first investment platform through which Bitcoins can be used to invest in companies!"
18:41	mircea_popescu	brilliant. he forgot biggest
18:41	kakobrekla	and best.
18:41	fluffypony	and AMAZING!
18:42	fluffypony	awwww :(
18:42	fluffypony	assbot: amazing?
18:42	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
18:42	mircea_popescu	moiety want a pea ?
18:43	mircea_popescu	anyway, when i see all these exciting news "we" teams, all i can think is
18:43	mircea_popescu	http://24.media.tumblr.com/a842f850681fd26dd0d873c9053a2c3a/tumblr_n3snyhqT6y1qdlh1io1_400.gif
18:44	moiety	a pea?
18:45	mircea_popescu	well what do tiny turles eat
18:45	BingoBoingo	Pizza?
18:45	kakobrekla	this one is quite awsum too
18:45	kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583262.0
18:45	kakobrekla	still fresh
18:45	moiety	amd strawberries!
18:45	moiety	and*
18:45	mircea_popescu	kako lemme show you a magic :
18:45	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=583262.0
18:46	mircea_popescu	"Why is your opportunity unique?
18:46	mircea_popescu	The UK is the world's 6th largest economy, but so far they have no bitcoin exchange."
18:46	mircea_popescu	fuckwit.
18:46	kakobrekla	the readability of the .ly is worse :\
18:46	mircea_popescu	so far we can't be bothered to do our research
18:47	Apocalyptic	wasn't nefario's exchange in UK ?
18:47	mircea_popescu	exactamundo
18:47	mircea_popescu	phantomcircuit aka strateman aka bitcoin consultancy, intersangro etc
18:48	Apocalyptic	wait, how is phantomcircuit involved in this ?
18:48	mircea_popescu	who do you think wrote that famed script that emailed the entire userbase the emails of the entire userbase ?
18:49	mircea_popescu	and where was this happening ?
18:49	mircea_popescu	phantomcircuit did it, on the previous first best & largest uk exchange.
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18:49	mircea_popescu	cca 2011
18:49	fluffypony	kakobrekla: "The remainder will be kept in reserves to pay for monthly costs, such as the data center." - they have an entire data center to pay for, yo
18:49	Apocalyptic	I see
18:50	kakobrekla	i also love this part:
18:50	kakobrekla	>What about the casino?
18:50	kakobrekla	Multibet.io is a work in progress, but is another source of income for our company. You will also receive profits from this.
18:50	kakobrekla	--
18:50	fluffypony	of cors
18:50	mircea_popescu	why is .io so popular with bitcoin scams & retarded noobs ?
18:50	mircea_popescu	do they allow anon regs or some shit ?
18:50	Apocalyptic	kako, reads to me like we'll be doing all sorts of shits, because another income
18:51	kakobrekla	its short and still free
18:51	kakobrekla	free as in not taken, not not costing any $
18:51	asciilifeform	occurred to me that you can usually tell at a glance which people experience a twinge of physical pain when spending someone else's money, and which ones don't.
18:51	asciilifeform	'gotta pay for... data center'
18:51	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo "And that's pretty much the thing in a nutshell." "Generally..." "Basically..." dude you sound moonstruck.
18:52	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Maybe that is the public impression I want to deliver. I mean I let herbi think I was a bot for a good while.
18:52	mircea_popescu	lol
18:52	mircea_popescu	maybe it is.
18:53	mircea_popescu	poor herbi, he had a good idea but not so good carry through
18:53	mircea_popescu	mebbe next time.
18:53	kakobrekla	Apocalyptic what do you mean 'we' ?
18:54	Apocalyptic	kako, the "we" of their post obviously
18:54	mircea_popescu	overheard in my room "I broke my lip on your cock!"
18:55	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: better than the other way around.
18:55	kakobrekla	ah ok then, i thought i signed something that was not aware of for a sec
18:55	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'Мы Америку догнали. По надоям молока, А по мясу мы отстали: Хуй сломался у быка.'
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18:59	mircea_popescu	lol
18:59	asciilifeform	(hruschev era. naturally)
19:00	mircea_popescu	"And a couple days later I became MP's ATC trader."
19:00	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo dude, at the time you were atc trading already for a day or two
19:01	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1445 @ 0.00095722 = 1.3832 BTC [-]
19:01	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: At the time I battled herbi I was trading my own ATC
19:01	mircea_popescu	usure ?
19:01	BingoBoingo	Fairly sure. Herbi was trading your ATC.
19:01	BingoBoingo	Then he lost it.
19:02	mircea_popescu	nah he never got atc from me.
19:02	BingoBoingo	Oh.
19:03	BingoBoingo	Well, the herbi stuff was over the 13th and 14th. It wasn't until later I became your trader (but not much later)
19:07	asciilifeform	'when it comes to milk, we're even with america, at last; as for meat, they're still the leader - our bull broke his cock, alas.'
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19:07	asciilifeform	(translation mine)
19:08	mircea_popescu	Feb 14 03:12:12 the herbi argument you quote | Feb 15 10:41:31 <mircea_popescu>pankkake pls to pay to BingoBoingo 100k atc, let's see what he can do.
19:08	mircea_popescu	so right you are.
19:09	mircea_popescu	"we caught up with the us on milk ; we're behind on meat, our bull's cock [is] broke"
19:09	asciilifeform	well sure, but i like rhyming transl.
19:09	asciilifeform	you lot are free to volunteer better one.
19:10	mircea_popescu	you call at last / alas a rhyme ?
19:10	asciilifeform	bah.
19:10	asciilifeform	to criticise is to volunteer.
19:10	mircea_popescu	i wouldn't even have noticed it's trying to be had you not said so :D
19:11	asciilifeform	lol
19:11	artifexd	Regarding SatoshiJack, https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/8980-multi-crypto-multiplayer-blackjack-html5/ says that the site is http://satoshijack.com/ or http://just-blackjack.com/
19:11	artifexd	Both of which are currently down.
19:11	asciilifeform	let's try this one
19:11	mircea_popescu	;;later tell satoshijack sites down ?
19:11	gribble	The operation succeeded.
19:11	asciilifeform	'Полюбила я Хрущева, / Вышла замуж за него. / Оказалось, вместо хуя / Кукуруза у него.'
19:12	mircea_popescu	ahahaha него ftw.
19:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6932 @ 0.00095444 = 6.6162 BTC [-] {2}
19:12	mircea_popescu	i fell for hruschev and married him / turned out his cock was a cobb
19:12	asciilifeform	aye, but anybody can do that.
19:13	mircea_popescu	pfff
19:13	asciilifeform	incidentally, this art form is curiously absent in the anglo world.
19:13	mircea_popescu	kukuruza, btw, is almost as lulzy as lenina
19:13	asciilifeform	where's the obama version.
19:14	mircea_popescu	There was once a great storm / Which moved the White House to the desert of Sahara
19:14	mircea_popescu	A bedouin lost in the desert stumbled on the lawn / Obama assured him that if he likes his water,
19:14	mircea_popescu	He can have his water.
19:14	asciilifeform	lel
19:14	mircea_popescu	want the kicker ?
19:15	mircea_popescu	"but it doesn't rhyme" "white rhyme, suka"
19:15	asciilifeform	lolz
19:18	asciilifeform	just had the thought, nobody else in this ch. likes languages ?
19:19	phf	fell in love with mr. krushchev / but the marrige was a flop / on our wedding night discovered / that his penis was a cobb
19:19	*	asciilifeform claps
19:19	mircea_popescu	phf hey pretty good
19:20	phf	that's preserving the original derevensky rhythm :)
19:20	ThickAsThieves	what's a cobb?
19:21	mircea_popescu	o btw, to note down the 2nd kicker in my thing, for they who do not speak russki :
19:21	mircea_popescu	suka does not stand for sucker, but for bitch.
19:21	mircea_popescu	;;google corn cobb
19:21	gribble	Corncob - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corncob>; Corn on the cob - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_on_the_cob>; How To Boil Corn On The Cob - What's Cooking America: <http://whatscookingamerica.net/Vegetables/BoilingCorn.htm>
19:21	asciilifeform	thought everybody knew that at this point
19:21	ThickAsThieves	well i assumed corn cob
19:21	ThickAsThieves	but wasnt sure
19:21	ThickAsThieves	cuz two b's
19:21	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no but the symmetry see ? white/white for liberals/normal ppl, mirrored in the suka/suka for english/russian
19:22	mircea_popescu	also! what's seven days without a pun make one ?
19:22	ThickAsThieves	weak
19:23	mircea_popescu	hehe
19:23	mircea_popescu	seven days w/o a pun make one week
19:23	mircea_popescu	#bitcoin-assets-and-language-abuse
19:24	ThickAsThieves	already have my first wordpress problem... fml
19:24	ThickAsThieves	comment isnt showing after being approved
19:24	ThickAsThieves	does he need to confirm his account or sumth?
19:25	asciilifeform	'Нам хотели запретить / По этой улице ходить. / Стены каменны пробьем - / По этой улице пройдем. / А вы, запретители, / хуя не хотите ли?'
19:25	asciilifeform	(re: bans on btc, etc)
19:25	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves the one on the recent comments ?
19:25	mircea_popescu	maybe you're set not to display trackbacksa
19:26	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform that makes no sense.
19:26	ThickAsThieves	ah it may be a trackback, not a regular comment
19:26	mircea_popescu	so built a wall along street to restrict walking...
19:26	asciilifeform	nah
19:28	BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: Prolly a trackback from my post
19:28	asciilifeform	loosely: 'they a ban for us decreed / for to keep us from this street / we shall move aside stone blocks / on this street we'll take our walks'
19:28	ThickAsThieves	yep
19:28	mircea_popescu	"This suggests focusing on robustness, as opposed to prediction, because the system works against rational expectations, especially those consensus ideas that come out of large bureaucracies. After all, what better sufficient statistic for a mimic to exploit than some well-known regulatory bullet point that supposedly ensures trivial risk? Recessions are not going away; they are endogenous because zero mimicry is not a
19:28	mircea_popescu	n equilibrium among insects, reptiles, or humans. Expect more unexpected recessions, just not real soon, and not in subprime housing."
19:29	asciilifeform	last stanza exercise for alert reader
19:29	ThickAsThieves	i'm a noob i guess
19:29	mircea_popescu	this fucking article explains both why ycombinator is such a shitpile
19:29	mircea_popescu	and why the majority of "actors" in "business" hate my and my model
19:29	mircea_popescu	i'm exactly the opposite of a bureaucracy, fucking impredictible by design
19:30	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: See, before the quoted interaction with herbi there would have been zero or less reason to propose I be your altcoin trader, whereas herbi had been pimping his 1337 quant skills and fx hobby.
19:30	mircea_popescu	i see.
19:31	thestringpuller	damn dark souls II is out...
19:31	thestringpuller	i haven't even beaten dark souls yet
19:31	thestringpuller	da fuq did the time go?
19:31	ThickAsThieves	to GTA?
19:31	thestringpuller	dark souls came out in 2011
19:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.52312269 = 3.6619 BTC [-] {5}
19:32	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Up to then there had never really been any solid indication of this chan that I might have some potential for trading prowess, at least not until I took herbi's house, car, wife, and dingo
19:32	BingoBoingo	Making two profits in the process
19:32	ThickAsThieves	such modesty and grace
19:32	mircea_popescu	lol yeah. poor dingo.
19:34	BingoBoingo	herbi at the time lsot what was all of his declared BTC
19:35	BingoBoingo	One of my favorite parts of the thing was the spread ran roughly from 400 satoshis to 100 satoshis, and he though settling around 100 satoshis would be a bad thing. Low and behold since x-bt opened 100-200 satoshis has been the norm.
19:35	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo it wasn't ever a very high amt or anything.
19:35	BingoBoingo	No it wasn't
19:36	BingoBoingo	But at million dollar BTC, that's a new Dodge challenger with racing stripes he lost.
19:36	thestringpuller	;;later tell mod6 young jeezy july 12th Detroit...
19:36	gribble	The operation succeeded.
19:37	mircea_popescu	notrly.
19:38	mircea_popescu	that'd be the case if there existed no spot. as it is, he lost 50 bux or w/e the spot was
19:40	BingoBoingo	Sure. But if we value the BTC on the benkay principle that it is never worth parting with, it holds. Now with the sinking Patrick Harnet only cost 500 BTC or $2500, sure. This continutes to the mysticism surrounding BTC prices.
19:40	BingoBoingo	At the time herbi mess up there still kind of was a reliable-ish spot.
19:41	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9155 @ 0.0009568 = 8.7595 BTC [+]
19:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4095 @ 0.00095788 = 3.9225 BTC [+]
19:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52109887 BTC [-]
19:45	phf	asciilifeform: they wanted to forbid / walking down this street. / we'll smash the concrete walls / we'll march down the block / you, forbaders, / suck a cock!
19:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.00470994 = 0.5181 BTC [+] {2}
19:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51780273 BTC [-]
19:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 109 @ 0.00471 = 0.5134 BTC [+]
19:51	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/economic-cycles-finally-explained/
19:52	ThickAsThieves	"really have the intellectual ability to indentify"
19:52	ThickAsThieves	nevermind
19:52	ThickAsThieves	no
19:52	ThickAsThieves	its wrong
19:52	ThickAsThieves	hehe
19:53	mike_c	trilema feature request: why do i have to go to secret page to login? having the cookie form on the 'fee' page would be nice.
19:54	mircea_popescu	mike_c aite.
19:54	mike_c	i'm trying to make more friends today by nitpicking everyone's work.
19:55	mircea_popescu	what, you do this with others, too ?
19:55	mircea_popescu	I THOUGHT WE HAD SOMETHING SPECIAL
19:55	mike_c	i tried on kako before.
19:55	mike_c	he told me to piss off
19:55	mircea_popescu	kako is not user friendly like i am
19:56	kakobrekla	:\
19:57	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves what's wrong ?
19:57	BingoBoingo	kakobrekla is plenty user friendly. He just isn't luser friendly.
19:57	BingoBoingo	Like the Cardano.
19:58	mircea_popescu	slander.
19:58	ThickAsThieves	indentify
19:58	ThickAsThieves	unless you are making up words
19:59	BingoBoingo	Well, of course kakobrekla manufacters the best slander. It works so good it makes itself right.
19:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13004 @ 0.00095193 = 12.3789 BTC [-] {5}
19:59	BingoBoingo	!t h cog
19:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: 0.00497602 / 0.00763533 / 0.01098941 (455 shares, 3.47407316 BTC), 7D: 0.00413010 / 0.00731819 / 0.01098941 (1171 shares, 8.56960097 BTC), 30D: 0.00030000 / 0.01165576 / 0.08800000 (3024 shares, 35.24702191 BTC)
20:00	ThickAsThieves	mp did you see preston's retort? it's like a text version of the baby-with-mirror gif http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/04/21/that-didnt-take-long/
20:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06835246 = 0.3418 BTC [+]
20:00	ThickAsThieves	TLDR = No u!
20:01	kakobrekla	bb dude have you read that thread, jesus fuck.
20:01	ThickAsThieves	the preston dude is offensively oblivious
20:02	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves no, is it any good ?
20:03	mircea_popescu	mike_c you now get a link off "cookie". good enuff ?
20:03	BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: The part where they finally liquidate after a bunch of "no u" back and forth between Gar and Goat
20:03	mike_c	ah, yes. good enuff.
20:04	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves heh wd.
20:06	kakobrekla	im not even sure what they are doing
20:06	kakobrekla	its like monthy python on drugs
20:06	kakobrekla	and real.
20:06	assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1795538/plain/)
20:06	mircea_popescu	!b 3
20:07	mircea_popescu	the stones from the earth have spoken through the kako
20:08	mircea_popescu	bashed 102 quotes with 4440 votes < this is like.. not bad is it.
20:09	kakobrekla	srs, look at this, must be preserved;
20:09	kakobrekla	--
20:09	kakobrekla	Quote from: Garr255 on April 21, 2014, 10:30:18 PM
20:09	kakobrekla	Cognitive Mining LLC is no longer liable for any past or present action or involved in the management of this project in any way. It is fully within the rights of Cognitive Mining LLC to find a new operator and resign.
20:09	kakobrekla	--
20:09	kakobrekla	what is this even
20:09	BingoBoingo	No one knows except the people who shouldn't
20:10	mircea_popescu	it looks like they're announcing a new bitcoin credit card
20:10	mircea_popescu	imo
20:10	kakobrekla	lol
20:12	artifexd	;;rate hanbot 1 vital part of my education
20:12	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user hanbot has been recorded.
20:20	ThickAsThieves	yknow this auth shit frustrates when paired with a crash
20:23	Duffer1	a ~20min grace would be nice
20:24	Duffer1	if possible
20:25	BingoBoingo	It already has a 2-3 minute grace
20:29	BingoBoingo	http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/04/18/the_future_of_war_25_you_better_be_ready_to_fight_like_its_a_pre_electronic_age
20:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5408 @ 0.0009501 = 5.1381 BTC [-] {3}
20:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10298 @ 0.00094989 = 9.782 BTC [-]
20:50	BingoBoingo	jurov: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579498.0
20:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06963114 = 0.6963 BTC [+] {2}
20:53	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00094851 = 11.4295 BTC [-]
20:55	BingoBoingo	http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/04/23/bitcoin-needs-a-new-logo/
20:55	mircea_popescu	!up vcorem
20:55	assbot	Voicing vcorem for 30 minutes.
20:58	BingoBoingo	Preston has so much derp http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/04/22/the-ballad-of-doug-the-dao-part-1-time-to-stop-thinking-like-an-engineer/
21:00	mircea_popescu	"The U.S. Air Force, for example, no longer trains navigators in celestial sightings,"
21:00	mircea_popescu	holy shit.
21:00	BingoBoingo	Yeah, but... sounds right based of whisperings.
21:01	BingoBoingo	The ground pounders seem to still be getting well versed in the arts of map and compass, but for the rest...
21:02	mircea_popescu	this reads to me like "the us cook force no longer trains sauce chefs in flour-and-oil saucing"
21:02	BingoBoingo	Then there's the accident by which a fuel tanker and crew were lost because control systems failed. The crew was done in though by a lack of parachutes which had been recently removed.
21:02	mircea_popescu	well what the fuck then
21:04	mike_c	this preston jackass strikes me as a rebirth of dr foreskin. not worth even getting riled up over, and yet he manages to get under my skin with his herp derp.
21:05	mircea_popescu	;;ticker
21:05	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 496.2, Best ask: 496.41, Bid-ask spread: 0.21000, Last trade: 496.41, 24 hour volume: 8131.92029418, 24 hour low: 480.0, 24 hour high: 505.0, 24 hour vwap: 490.566399614
21:05	mircea_popescu	mike_c do you like zappa ?
21:05	mike_c	i don't really know him
21:06	BingoBoingo	Well the US defense posture goes back to the comments here where the challenges of an actual invasion of the US are discussed in terms of some areas having too many hillbillies to hold for an invader http://trilema.com/2014/most-wrong-and-absolutely-wrongest/
21:06	mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZHa0_W8PD8 that's the song.
21:07	mircea_popescu	ow fuck. no, wrong one. this is it : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQQOhwL7nkM
21:08	mike_c	i was getting into disco boy :) i like it.
21:08	mircea_popescu	Don't know much about dancin' that's why I got this song
21:08	mircea_popescu	One of my legs is shorter than the other 'n both my feet's too long
21:08	mircea_popescu	'Course now right along with 'em I got no natural rhythm
21:08	mircea_popescu	But I go dancin' every night hopin' one day I might get it right
21:08	mircea_popescu	I hear that beat; I jump outa my seat but I can't compete, cause I'm a dancin' fool, I'm a dancin' fool
21:09	BingoBoingo	The greatest problem with the movie Red Dawn is that no sane invader of the US would spend more effort than necessary to hold the Rockie Mountains than that necessary to cripple command structures there.
21:09	mircea_popescu	When they see me comin' they all step aside
21:09	mircea_popescu	They has a fit while I commit my social suicide,
21:09	mircea_popescu	etc.
21:09	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i don't imagine anyone would be invading the us.
21:09	mircea_popescu	just you know, sink all its cruisers and impose a massive war reparations programme.
21:10	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: In the next 100 to 500 year someone might want to use Kansas as their own breadbasket.
21:10	mircea_popescu	why ?
21:10	mircea_popescu	just tax the locals.
21:11	BingoBoingo	See this is the genius of Putin in Crimea and the enablement of US golden toilets all rolled into one.
21:11	BingoBoingo	Putin could have crimea and Eastern Ukraine because the people already favor Russia.
21:12	mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmAqdKJCUAAHdzf.jpg << dat michelle ass.
21:12	BingoBoingo	However if 1000 hillbillies with rifles oppose their own government over cows...
21:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7652 @ 0.00094896 = 7.2614 BTC [+] {2}
21:12	BingoBoingo	What luck do the Chinese have
21:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1848 @ 0.00095066 = 1.7568 BTC [+]
21:13	BingoBoingo	The same thing that gives Putin his good fortune enables America's golden toilets thus.
21:14	BingoBoingo	The entire world is Italy.
21:18	mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/804/obama-will-mention-bitcoin-before-2015/#c2845a << re this, kakobrekla or anyone with the data ready, what's the average duration for bitbet bets ?
21:19	jurov	BingoBoingo they don't necessarily favor Russia, they know well who Putin is
21:19	jurov	but they will be made to favor it any way necessary
21:19	BingoBoingo	jurov: Well, no one is offered a perfectly selection of choices.
21:20	BingoBoingo	What enables or prohibits aggression for territory, is not tanks fighter jets, or nukes but the williness or lack thereof to accept certain kinds or sources of governance.
21:21	mircea_popescu	let me interject something related i was just happening to read. a bit of a paste :
21:21	mircea_popescu	This stickiness of the Semitic languages supports a speculation: by the 7th Century there had to be many pockets in the Western Mediterranean of Punic-Canaanite speakers, about a thousand years after the fall of Carthage. Falling under Roman rule did not turn the population into Latin speakers (only for scholarly purposes, say Saint Augustine of Hyppo; we have much evidence of diglossia in the Levant, of the use of a l
21:21	mircea_popescu	anguage at home and for oral communication that is different from the language of writing, and doing so for 1000 years). And there had to be plenty of Semitic language speakers; just follow placenames from Carthage to Ramatuelle in France near Saint Tropez (ramat el means hill of God in both Canaanite and Hebrew). Even Marseilles seems to come from Marsa, port in Canaanite (and not from Massilia the Roman name since th
21:21	mircea_popescu	e Romans did not make names, but transcribed them). I estimate that the third of the coastal villages spoke Semitic dialects. The modus of the Phoenicians was network, hence a system of trade links built on trust (you send merchandise to a relative who pays you back; you needed a certain amount of trust before the letter of credit). The region is large: it extends all the way to Mogador on the Atlantic coast.
21:22	mircea_popescu	This explains the mystery of the effortless Arab invasion of the Southern and Western Mediterranean, all the way to Spain (and, less advertised, the Portuguese Algarve). They had to be welcomed by the local population along the coast. Canaanite and Arabic are easily mutually comprehensible (the distance between Semitic languages is very short, a corrollary of the stability thanks to the triplet of consonnants). And it
21:22	mircea_popescu	is wasy for a Punic speaker to progressively become an Arabic speaker, since he already knows 80-90% of the vocabulary.
21:22	mircea_popescu	This also gives some credibility to the thesis that was popping up in the 19th century that the North African Jews had a Phoenician origin (or that the difference between Canaanite and Jew before the rabbinical period was not very pronounced for p
21:22	mircea_popescu	( http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/notebook.htm, taleb's article)
21:26	BingoBoingo	!up aadeseye
21:26	assbot	Voicing aadeseye for 30 minutes.
21:26	BingoBoingo	!up vcorem
21:26	assbot	Voicing vcorem for 30 minutes.
21:27	mircea_popescu	so BingoBoingo, war may simply be that : dating.
21:27	kakobrekla	85 days
21:28	mircea_popescu	who are the hillbillies going to support ? bigus dickus, the roman bureaucrat ?
21:28	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Of course it is. Diplomacy is also dating. Governance is a different thing though. Marriage.
21:28	mircea_popescu	jesus, the local nut ?
21:28	BingoBoingo	Usually the local nut.
21:28	mircea_popescu	putin the redbeard, the norwegian rapist cum invader ?
21:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1164 @ 0.00094851 = 1.1041 BTC [-]
21:28	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla ty!
21:29	mircea_popescu	do you also sleep ?
21:29	mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/embed/zPGb4STRfKw << bigus dickus
21:29	BingoBoingo	The hill billies always support the local nut, or the regional nut they can identify with
21:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00094837 = 10.5269 BTC [-]
21:32	kakobrekla	90 if you include the time from closing to resolution
21:32	kakobrekla	;;ud sleep
21:32	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sleep | You have been awake for 18 hours and are now viewing this useless definition of sleep. You are very tired and your brain is not functioning at its ...
21:33	kakobrekla	srsly someone planted that there eh
21:33	kakobrekla	next time ill rather google.
21:34	BingoBoingo	The wife is called Incontientia
21:34	mircea_popescu	incontinentia buttocks
21:34	BingoBoingo	Lol phrasing
21:35	BingoBoingo	.bait
21:35	ozbot	http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8732uiP5v1r6bw5mo1_1280.png
21:37	BingoBoingo	http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20810638,00.html
21:37	ozbot	Justin Bieber Detained by Customs at Los Angeles Airport - Crime & Courts, Justin Bieber : People.co
21:37	mircea_popescu	shot ruined by panties srsly.
21:38	random_cat	wut benkay
21:38	BingoBoingo	Yeah, in other news, elmo acquitted http://gawker.com/ex-elmo-voice-actor-kevin-clash-cleared-of-sexual-abuse-1567240733
21:40	mircea_popescu	im sure the practicak difference between acquittal and conviction is less than the difference between his life pre and post that nonsense.
21:40	BingoBoingo	For sure
21:41	BingoBoingo	In still continued news http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/24/us/colorado-marijuana-fourth-graders/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3A+Top+Stories%29
21:45	BingoBoingo	Also a case of If you can You must http://gawker.com/school-agrees-to-stop-pumping-kids-full-of-mountain-dew-1567173577
		~ 15 minutes ~
22:01	BingoBoingo	!up jborkl_
22:01	assbot	Voicing jborkl_ without time-limit.
22:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00094776 = 10.5201 BTC [-] {2}
22:05	mircea_popescu	http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/04/20/ryanryans-31565/images/full/03.jpg
22:05	mircea_popescu	check out that awful titjob
22:08	ThickAsThieves	0O
22:10	BingoBoingo	That's like liver and stomach boobs. Missed the chest by quite a bit
22:11	BingoBoingo	Chicago http://deadspin.com/the-cubs-400-pound-wrigley-cake-is-sitting-in-a-dumpste-1567177257
22:13	ThickAsThieves	nonsensical derpitude
22:13	BingoBoingo	Also the left hand path http://regressing.deadspin.com/can-you-predict-if-your-kid-will-throw-left-handed-1552111458/+kylenw
22:13	BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: Whatever, you aren't getting any of my insider info.
22:16	ThickAsThieves	"he researchers indeed discovered that left-handedness, like schizophrenia, was highly associated with being conceived in May or June " yknow this has always been my theory of how zodiac traits were started
22:16	BingoBoingo	I also swear deadspin might be the only Gawker enterprise worth saving.
22:16	ThickAsThieves	seasonal effects on mother, child, and the people influencing the child
22:17	BingoBoingo	Eh, I'm right handed but left eye dominant. Sometimes I'm clumsy, but that is usually just distilled rather than beyond the grave spirits at work.
22:17	ThickAsThieves	also in my own experience many of the crazies i met that are also smart are left-handed
22:18	cazalla	BingoBoingo: interesting article - my son is 14 weeks ATM, is favouring his left hand when grabbing for things yet no left handers in my family although my father is schizophrenic as was my grandfather and my uncle
22:18	BingoBoingo	cazalla: Well, teach him to throw a baseball and save his economic future.
22:18	ThickAsThieves	my brother favored his left hand but my dad basically "corrected" him out of it
22:19	mircea_popescu	speaking of may and june, check this shit out :
22:19	mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/804/obama-will-mention-bitcoin-before-2015/#c2849
22:19	ozbot	BitBet - Obama will mention Bitcoin before 2015
22:19	mircea_popescu	the may-june-july hole
22:19	Duffer1	in case anyone has some scorn they need to let out https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=581995.0
22:19	Duffer1	Adeally
22:20	cazalla	mircea_popescu: didn't Obama already mention it last year albeit off the cuff remark questioning he needed to worry about it or not
22:20	ThickAsThieves	do those stats also conveniently map to bubbles?
22:20	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: What I gather is that SEO spammers can't spec interesting bets
22:20	cazalla	if*
22:20	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves maybe. was there a bubble last summer ?
22:20	ThickAsThieves	april
22:20	BingoBoingo	No, last summer was a slump
22:21	ThickAsThieves	maybe it's an indicator!
22:21	BingoBoingo	$100-80 until the rally to the millenial value
22:21	ThickAsThieves	correlation = causation!
22:22	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: The discussion usually centers around “politeness“, because the mimics don’t really have the intellectual ability to identify, nor the ethical fiber to enunciate the real problem << reminds me:
22:22	ThickAsThieves	i think low bet submissions being topical is enough to change the tide
22:22	asciilifeform	paging herr naggum!
22:22	asciilifeform	http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3243007932071437@naggum.no.html
22:22	ozbot	Re: Bohr's way - Naggum cll archive
22:22	asciilifeform	http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3244958379944187@naggum.no.html
22:22	ozbot	Re: Difference between LISP and C++ - Naggum cll archive
22:23	asciilifeform	(ignore the thread titles, these were strictly psychiatric ruminations, nothing to do with programming computer)
22:23	ThickAsThieves	ascii thats good stuff
22:23	ThickAsThieves	"It has been my experience that it is strongly related to competence, but
22:23	ThickAsThieves	competence is related to some method of measurement of your success at
22:23	ThickAsThieves	what you try to do. If you work in a field where you cannot distinguish
22:23	ThickAsThieves	between good or bad, where everything is someone's "personal opinion" and
22:23	ThickAsThieves	nobody has any right answers, that just /has/ to be destructive for your
22:23	ThickAsThieves	self-confidence. "
22:23	ThickAsThieves	basically my epitaph in marketing industry
22:24	cazalla	http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/columnist/wolff/2013/10/27/ceos-are-often-clueless-about-technology/3182203/ so Obama aware of Bitcoin in October of last year, wonder if that increases odds of meeting bet criteria
22:24	BingoBoingo	The most exciting treatise on politics Gawker has ever hosted http://deadspin.com/pine-tar-should-be-fully-legal-and-baseball-is-still-f-1567100538
22:26	ThickAsThieves	"The reason we didn't like it was because it was so 'in your face.' If he had been a little more discreet with it nothing would have ever been said."
22:26	ThickAsThieves	lol
22:26	BingoBoingo	Truth
22:27	BingoBoingo	Everything is legal so long as you wait until the contest is over to flaunt it
22:27	ThickAsThieves	even the commenters that think they get it don't
22:27	ThickAsThieves	"Totally agree that it should be legal. In the mean time, Pineda really just needs to get better at this. I mean, he should realize that he is being watched after the last incident, there has to be a better place to put pine tar than on your neck. Just learn to cheat better."
22:28	ThickAsThieves	everyone talking about how he should have cheated
22:28	ThickAsThieves	not whether
22:28	BingoBoingo	I mean the writer cam to the wrong conclusion. It should still stay "banned" but discretion is the first step towards sophistication.
22:29	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo, ThickAsThieves, other players of baseball - is the tar considered a cheat because it gives actual advantage? or merely not part of the regulation game?
22:29	ThickAsThieves	assimilate or eliminate is my motto
22:29	ThickAsThieves	if elimination is not possible,
22:29	ThickAsThieves	assimilation is mandatory
22:30	ThickAsThieves	as in, they obv cant totally stop people from using it
22:30	ThickAsThieves	therefore allow them to use it
22:30	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Tar for pitchers is considered a forbiden necessity. For batters it is completely acceptable.
22:30	BingoBoingo	Also http://deadspin.com/does-your-favorite-team-suck-at-keeping-an-efficient-pa-1567366582
22:30	asciilifeform	elaborate on the 'forbidden necessity'
22:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3482 @ 0.00094846 = 3.3025 BTC [+] {2}
22:30	asciilifeform	similar to, say, steroids?
22:31	ThickAsThieves	basically people are superstitious that picthers can do magical things when using tar
22:31	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: It's use is necessary to master the craft, but exposing it is a faux pas.
22:31	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Different from steroids in that the results are more quantifiable.
22:31	ThickAsThieves	pitchers argue its only to prevent totally losing the ball into ttghe crowd
22:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3818 @ 0.00095492 = 3.6459 BTC [+]
22:32	ThickAsThieves	the answer is probly in the middle
22:32	ThickAsThieves	baseball is very traditional though
22:32	BingoBoingo	Steroids do little in baseball beyond decreasing the time to recover from injury and maybe adding a bit of power. Doctoring a ball though is nearly essential for a pitcher to excel.
22:34	BingoBoingo	Basically there are reasons it is mostly aging hitters taking steroids, but every pitcher is doctoring the ball.
22:35	ThickAsThieves	has anyone done useful research about pitching with tar?
22:35	BingoBoingo	(This sidesteps the part where all of the good batters have ADHD diagnoses because amphetamines are the best performance enhancer for a batter)
22:35	BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: Not for your budget.
22:35	ThickAsThieves	?
22:35	ThickAsThieves	my budget?
22:35	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: what kind of diagnoses do, e.g. marathon runners get? anemia?
22:36	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Yes. Marathoners get anemia. Hockey players get various autoimmune diagnoses.
22:36	BingoBoingo	To justify constant anti-inflammatory drugs
22:36	asciilifeform	lol
22:36	asciilifeform	what disease should one contract as, say, chess player ?
22:37	BingoBoingo	That probably would be ADHD again.
22:37	BingoBoingo	And is the reason many high level players don't want to see olympic chess.
22:37	asciilifeform	i thought this was because FIDE wanted to ban coffee
22:37	BingoBoingo	That too.
22:37	mircea_popescu	the se;f confidence thing sounds just like greenspun's problem
22:38	asciilifeform	(who'll play after this!?)
22:38	BingoBoingo	But the distinction between leaded and unleaded coffee isn't caffinated vs. decaf.
22:38	mircea_popescu	cazalla well, if he had or hadn't, still has to be in bet interval. wasn't like a "first time" or anything
22:38	asciilifeform	leaded coffee!
22:38	ThickAsThieves	lol forumite says to me "What would it possibly take for you to remove the negative trust you left me?"
22:39	BingoBoingo	It was rumored that in baseball clubhouses leaded vs. unleaded was how they refered to amphetamine spiked coffee
22:39	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo what does tar do ?
22:39	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: It affects grip and the aerodynamics of the ball.
22:40	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: And this is baseball so there are nearly as many balls spent in the game as outs.
22:40	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: amphetamine isn't magic. see:
22:40	asciilifeform	http://yarchive.net/med/nootropics.html
22:40	ozbot	Nootropics ("smart drugs") (Steven B. Harris, M.D.)
22:40	asciilifeform	mandatory reading for the 'better living through chemistry' aficionados.
22:40	mircea_popescu	this is what, tar like on their hands ? like oil ?
22:40	asciilifeform	tldr - engineering tradeoffs of self-medication
22:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00094732 = 9.9469 BTC [-]
22:42	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Pine tar. So the sticky stuff pine leaks basically. Batters use it to not throw the bat into the crowd. Pitchers use it to add precision to the point they release the ball.
22:42	ThickAsThieves	it's sticky
22:42	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Those exist indeed.
22:42	mircea_popescu	oic
22:43	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: analogous to flying jet on 'afterburner'
22:43	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Or rocket with boosters. The sauce only provides benefits for so long.
22:43	mircea_popescu	afterburners are a pain in most situations tho. much less precision
22:44	BingoBoingo	Well afterburners is amphetamine. Pine tar is whatever makes a plane more responsive, engineered instability or whatever
22:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0698999 = 0.3495 BTC [+]
22:45	mircea_popescu	amusingly, i think pine tar is... amphetamine
22:45	mircea_popescu	funny how that wraps.
22:46	asciilifeform	i can hardly think of pine tar without tasting in my head that crap the greeks drink.
22:46	BingoBoingo	Well, it is not an incredibly simple mapping.
22:47	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo but the one thing that makes the plane "more responsive" is spiking the pilot.
22:47	BingoBoingo	Of course. It is better though if both the pilot and plane are spiked.
22:48	asciilifeform	one can easily think of the design boundaries here (spiked fellow in ww1 sopwith, vs 'clean' one in modern jet)
22:48	asciilifeform	basic boojum here is, however, 'first ecstacy, then laundry'
22:49	BingoBoingo	Pine tar is spiking the plane (The F-16, a wily old pitcher) amphetamine is spiking the pilot (B-2 crews, Barry Bonds)
22:49	asciilifeform	as described by steve harris
22:49	BingoBoingo	lol
22:53	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Your link on nootropics reminds me of why the alcohol/caffine combination is my prefered and only regular combination from that toolset.
22:53	mircea_popescu	"If you /are/ the majority and I am in the minority, how could you possibly believe that I have not already and many years ago figured out exactly how you guys work? If you had the brain to do it, this would be a grave insult, but you do not think ahead. You do in fact not think at all, because the things you say can only be uttered by a mind closed shut long ago."
22:53	mircea_popescu	lelz
22:54	BingoBoingo	The only big error with the link is that nicotine is not *cholinergic* at all
22:54	BingoBoingo	Nicotine is nicotinic
22:54	BingoBoingo	Works on its own subset of the acetycholine responsive system while ignoring others.
22:54	asciilifeform	;;google nicotinic acetylcholine receptor
22:54	gribble	Nicotinic acetylcholine receptor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotinic_acetylcholine_receptor>; Acetylcholine receptor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetylcholine_receptor>; Nicotinic agonist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotinic_agonist>
22:55	asciilifeform	pediwikia will have to suffice for now
22:55	BingoBoingo	And the literature reveals nicotine excites some, but not all cholinergic receptors.
22:56	asciilifeform	sure
22:56	*	asciilifeform flashbacks to old day job
22:56	mircea_popescu	no he has a point, calling it cholinergic is a ridiculous approximation.
22:56	mircea_popescu	might as well call busses "avionic"
22:56	asciilifeform	lul
22:56	mircea_popescu	well... they're kinda similar.
22:57	asciilifeform	the little plane that goes to timis. from germany is astoundingly bus-like.
22:57	BingoBoingo	Well, think of dopamine (which the pharmacologically illerterate posit fuels all addiction)
22:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.069975 = 0.4199 BTC [+] {2}
22:58	BingoBoingo	There are different dopamine agonists and antagonists that don't all hit the same types of dopamine receptors
22:58	mircea_popescu	dude i love this chan. i shall now write yet another great trilema article on the basis of shit i ran into here.
22:59	BingoBoingo	And of the major addictive drugs of abuse only cocaine and amphetamines hit any type of dopamine receptor primarily
22:59	mircea_popescu	and i'm not gonna give stan any more credit than i gave benkay either
22:59	asciilifeform	one of the things i used to do is model action of oximes (as an antidote to anticholinergics)
22:59	BingoBoingo	If dopamine for its own sake was the desired effect, junkies would skip heroin and just eat L-DOPA and broadbreans
23:00	asciilifeform	and this always gave me sad thoughts about how a very similar mechanism could probably be used to zap 'tolerance' to, e.g. caffeine
23:00	asciilifeform	but It Would Be Wrong (TM)
23:00	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: And I sat through literally 2/3rds of the PharmD curiculumn, half of it twice. But as a TA so I get no credit for having done such a thing.
23:00	asciilifeform	eat L-DOPA and broadbreans << nope. kinetics are 90% of the fun
23:00	asciilifeform	as you probably know.
23:01	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Kinetics are huge.
23:01	asciilifeform	consider why cocainistas snort, inject - never eat
23:01	BingoBoingo	Poor first pass metabolism
23:01	BingoBoingo	isn't economical to eat.
23:02	BingoBoingo	With L-Dopa the Blood Brain Barrier plays a role, but convulsions play a bigger one
23:03	BingoBoingo	Nicotine is the perfect model of an addictive drug because tremendous excess is tolerated by the peripheral neurons, but its absence after tolerance raises holy fucking hell.
23:04	mircea_popescu	holy fucking hell my foot.
23:04	mircea_popescu	it raises the most minor of inconveniences conceivable.
23:04	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: In the accultured. As opposed to the occasional
23:04	mircea_popescu	people just conveniently pretend like their experiences matter out of all proportion.
23:05	BingoBoingo	Sure.
23:05	mircea_popescu	do an experiment where you get shocked at a modest 48 volts at random intervals on average 8 times a second.
23:05	mircea_popescu	for you know, nine weeks.
23:05	BingoBoingo	Imma prolly miss the shocks.
23:05	asciilifeform	you can buy a convenient instrument for this.
23:05	mircea_popescu	in your teeth.
23:05	asciilifeform	at dog shops
23:06	mircea_popescu	now that's an inconvenience. not fucking nicotine deprivation.
23:06	asciilifeform	teeth? what'd you have? the fabled 'radio amalgam' ?
23:06	mircea_popescu	just sayin'.
23:06	mircea_popescu	get a special bed rigged where you get pricked with a pin. all the time. somewhere.
23:07	BingoBoingo	Well, you have to consider what receptor is involved at the intersection of skeletal muscle and the neuro
23:07	mircea_popescu	or forget that even. just a sm
23:07	mircea_popescu	simple programme of... load crates 16 hours a day. every day.
23:07	mircea_popescu	or dig ditches or w/e.
23:08	BingoBoingo	Now we're getting to common ground
23:08	mircea_popescu	after six weeks of that, the choice is never smoke again and never have to crate it up again
23:08	mircea_popescu	or both.
23:08	mircea_popescu	suddenly the hot fucking hell is like...
23:08	BingoBoingo	16 hours of lifting arbitrary things about nicotine cessation for the habituated
23:09	mircea_popescu	arbitrary things over 30lbs
23:10	BingoBoingo	Over 15lbs even, if we are going arbitrary and 16 hours, 5-15 lbs, The unpredictability of load has value.
23:10	mircea_popescu	30 to 60.
23:10	mircea_popescu	good enough
23:11	BingoBoingo	Keep in mind my experiences prolly don't map onto to many others. I'm missing 1/2 to 3/4 the D2 receptors most people have in the general population)
23:12	mircea_popescu	anyway. i'm kinda up to here with the smoking addiction thing. i've been smoking since ~16. that's two decades ago. i still smoke, i average a pack a month. prolly less these days. it takes all the willpower of a tomato as far as i can tell, it's never bothered me.
23:12	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: I'm missing 1/2 to 3/4 the D2 receptors << where'd you misplace them?
23:12	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform bad divorce.
23:12	asciilifeform	lol
23:13	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Back when 23andme made medical declarations I spit in a tube. Apparently I am part A-Rab
23:14	BingoBoingo	I guess because the gene was TAQ something or other
23:14	asciilifeform	my first guess was MPTP.
23:14	BingoBoingo	Nah
23:15	asciilifeform	;;google Barry Kidston MPTP
23:15	gribble	MPTP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPTP>; Opiophilia: The Frozen Addicts: A Cautionary Tale: <http://opiophilia.blogspot.com/2013/09/the-frozen-addicts-cautionary-tale.html>; Heroin, MPTP, and the key to Parkinson's Disease - Everything2.com: <http://everything2.com/title/Heroin%252C+MPTP%252C+and+the+key+to+Parkinson%2527s+Disease>
23:15	BingoBoingo	I'm familiar with MPTP induced parkinsons from reading.
23:16	asciilifeform	better than from practice!
23:16	BingoBoingo	Parkinsons is more a D-1 and D-3 thing though.
23:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07 = 0.63 BTC [+] {2}
23:17	BingoBoingo	I have an admitedly odd neurology. I throw a baseball right handed but have to shoot the rifle left handed.
23:19	BingoBoingo	My left eye tremendously overpowers the right, but my right hand tremendously has dexterity over the left.
23:21	BingoBoingo	In practice this works great for watching porn because different halves of my brain can be watching porn vs. jacking me off, a perfect stranger
23:22	asciilifeform	wetware DMA ?
23:22	BingoBoingo	More like SCSI.
23:22	asciilifeform	lol
23:22	BingoBoingo	Terminators and all
23:22	asciilifeform	this has potential for good sf story mindfuck
23:23	asciilifeform	folks in the Dark Future of Hello Kitty (TM) splitting their brain, so they can literally (in their head) fuck themselves.
23:23	BingoBoingo	I also throw a bowling ball with alternating hands given situations favorable to one side or the other's strengths
23:24	BingoBoingo	The only people IRL on OL with similar issues were notorious epileptics so I guess being more functional than that is a plus.
23:25	BingoBoingo	For all I actually know maybe I am more addicted to menthol than nicotine
23:26	asciilifeform	shouldn't be hard to find out which, no?
23:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.512005 = 1.024 BTC [-] {2}
23:27	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Especially hard since 23andme conceded medicine to MObama
23:27	BingoBoingo	The beautiful thing is this doesn't much matter.
23:27	asciilifeform	i meant, by taking only one and see what happens
23:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 481 @ 0.00444549 = 2.1383 BTC [-] {14}
23:28	BingoBoingo	There are some practical restrictions. Like my preference for menthol cigarettes.
23:29	BingoBoingo	Next thing you know I will forsake N.W.A. for Sheryl Crow
23:30	BingoBoingo	Also I can't threaten incapacitating my self that much lest BTC/AtC goes to hell
23:31	asciilifeform	where's it now?
23:32	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: It is well within the specs I set when I raped herbi and his wife's future.
23:33	BingoBoingo	Between 100 and 200 satoshis
23:33	asciilifeform	i now confess that i missed what was herbi and wife
23:33	asciilifeform	some bozo invested his fortune in atc ?!?
23:33	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: The conversation is attached to here http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/24/my-role-in-s-mpif/
23:34	BingoBoingo	He invested little. It seemed to be a small portion of his anything.
23:34	asciilifeform	so how'd this constitute a zapping of future?
23:34	BingoBoingo	You were at points in the conversation.
23:34	asciilifeform	lol i was wasnt i
23:34	asciilifeform	prob. on autopilot
23:34	BingoBoingo	Read on, you saw it the first time.
23:35	BingoBoingo	He sought to seed microstructures, but every order he entered was like my betting green in roulette and hitting.
23:36	asciilifeform	lel
23:36	mircea_popescu	<BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: It is well within the specs I set when I raped herbi and his wife's future. << dude srsly.
23:36	mircea_popescu	suppose you actually do something like that one day.
23:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
23:37	mircea_popescu	what are you going to say, "herp", because you already used the proper expression in april 2014 ?
23:37	mircea_popescu	gotta save yourself some cake.
23:37	asciilifeform	'dynamic range'
23:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0325 = 0.1625 BTC [-] {2}
23:38	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Prolly. Cake comes and goes. I might hammer out consistent gains, but probably never again over a bid-ask pread of 4 times
23:38	BingoBoingo	(spread so deep it lost a consanant)
23:41	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: i re-read that thing. maybe it'd make sense to me with strong drink.
23:41	asciilifeform	as it is i'm tuned to wrong frequency, perhaps
23:41	benkay	;;later tell decimation i did indeed and would be pleased to help you do the same although i'm sure you can figure it out
23:41	gribble	The operation succeeded.
23:42	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Well I mentioned this in another post, but it goes back to baseball. Who carries half of a ptcher's success and why?
23:43	*	asciilifeform reviews piece on baseball in '93 issue of 'наука и жизнь'
23:43	*	asciilifeform lives in usa since '92 and needs to do this
23:44	BingoBoingo	Normally the answer is the catcher calling pitches, as a great catcher is a slightly better source of entropy than the batter
23:45	BingoBoingo	This exists as an exact why for bitches loving Yadier Molina.
23:46	BingoBoingo	Though on the same team and Albert Pujols becoming a legend first, this is the exact machanism that made Pujols fungible with Carlos Beltran et al. while Molina was and is irreplaceable.
23:47	asciilifeform	anyone here other than BingoBoingo - gets this?
23:48	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo works as scholar of sport? a referee?
23:48	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Consider the game of chess vs. the game of artillery.
23:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [+]
23:49	BingoBoingo	In chess there is a tremendous advantage to anticipating lines your opponent might try to put forth.
23:49	BingoBoingo	Where as in artillery the goal is to hit the target first.
23:49	asciilifeform	vs where?
23:50	BingoBoingo	Well, a pitcher to get an out either has to throw three strikes or get the hitter to put the ball in a location favorable to one of their fielders.
23:50	BingoBoingo	Multiple attempts are a necessity
23:51	BingoBoingo	No less than three.
23:51	BingoBoingo	Vs. artillery where the opponent merely needs to hit you once
23:51	asciilifeform	perhaps in msdos game 'scorched earth', where each side gets one cannon.
23:52	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Actually I am thinking the Apple II version, but yes, that artillery game
23:53	benkay	<mircea_popescu> and i'm not gonna give stan any more credit than i gave benkay either << wot ch2 omission smarted
23:53	BingoBoingo	Otherwise we could suppose infinite shitty alternate artillery games where one side produces a grunt who climbs a hill and stabs the cannon to death.
23:54	mircea_popescu	benkay hm ?
23:54	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: 'paratrooper'
23:54	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: lol.
23:54	asciilifeform	http://image.dosgamesarchive.com/screenshots/paratrooper.gif
23:54	benkay	mircea_popescu: dun think i got any credit for popping the recent sybils.
23:55	mircea_popescu	no credit for you!
23:55	benkay	used to it
23:55	benkay	's why i'm in mgmt these days
23:55	benkay	(marginally)
23:56	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Reminds me of a conundrum. Every US Infantry officer gets the chance at ranger school after graduation, but many officers deployed to ostentiably infantry assignments will not be infantry officers.
23:58	BingoBoingo	Afghanistan fucks all empires
23:58	BingoBoingo	Because Italy
23:59	BingoBoingo	By Italy I mean classic Italy, anyone born more than two barns from you and your goats is a foreigner

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