#trilema | 2014-04-23

ultimately most of my problems were solved by a better diet

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artifexd: It is actually a decent reference work. Was endorsed by actual faculty to my pharm students

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Seems limited in what it covers

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artifexd: Limited vs. Targeted is a difficult distinction

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anyways, gotta sleep, headin back to freedomland tomorrow

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True. examine.com doesn't have adderall or prozac.

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nutmeg and banana skins, thank me later

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examine.com for supplements. crazymeds.us for medicines.

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;;google site:examine.com lamotrigine

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Inositol - Scientific Review on Usage, Dosage, Side Effects ...: <http://examine.com/supplements/Inositol/>; Agmatine - Scientific Review on Usage, Dosage, Side Effects ...: <http://examine.com/supplements/Agmatine/>; Vinpocetine - Scientific Review on Usage, Dosage, Side Effects ...: <http://examine.com/supplements/Vinpocetine/>

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Supplements are just medicines that fail

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That is simply not true

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9469 @ 0.00095849 = 9.0759 BTC [+]

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Creatine is a supplement. It is quite successful at what it does.

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.031 = 0.279 BTC [-] {2}

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Creatine as a supplement is rate limited though to ineffectiveness in many processes

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Ineffectiveness in what? Via what processes?

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didn't they ban that due to kids going on creatine rages

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lol

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no

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misc says it's a steroid

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http://examine.com/faq/is-creatine-a-steroid.html

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Is creatine a steroid? | Examine.com FAQ

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i'm joking artifexd, creatine rage is an old joke from buildingbuiding.com forums

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artifexd: Mostly the liver and limits on precessing rooted in ancient human metabolism.

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Excess creatine is largely handled by the body's workings as a disease state.

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Choline... That on the other hand the body treats in excess as a blessing because you made a snapping turtle's nest your bitch

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So your saying that consuming 1kg of creatine won't provide 100 times the benefit of consuming 10g? Ok. I'll buy that. But that doesn't make taking 10g ineffective.

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I had a GP tell me to stop using it after bloodwork showed high levels of creatinine in bloodwork, told me to stop lifting as well, didn't go back to that doctor

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For the record, I'm not a creatine disciple. It is just an example.

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Well, excess is relative to a point. The body is actually good at generating its own creatine, even while relatively malnourished in a few different ways

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The Japs taught us that in the 1940's

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from memory, only benefit from creatine was that i held more water which made me appear bigger

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That is an effect of excess creatine

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Mostly safe excess, but still

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!up benkay

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Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.

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Is anyone online now familiar with Amphoterrible B?

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thanks for the continuing voice y'all

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i am now officially curious how long i can go without auth and upping

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benkay: Welcome

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(as to how long...)

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benkay Not too long if you don't say the two magic assets words.

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Fuck it the three words nao

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i give up what are you on about

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benkay: Two words: cunt and nigger, third word is kike

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Holy crap. It is taking forever to get through today's logs. It looks like today is trying to make up for a quiet weekend.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.0009513 = 24.9241 BTC [-] {2}

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artifexd cazalla: Since you seem most interested dangerous excesses of creatine resemble the effects of amphteracin B

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!up Hghh

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Voicing Hghh for 30 minutes.

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And dangerous exesses of water resemble death.

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It shreds the most useful and beutiful of the kidney's filtering membranes

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artifexd: Cause death.

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Excess water actually on its own can cause death

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i don't think my levels were too excessive, from memory they were in the hundreds, GP said it would be a concern if it were in the thousands, average being double digits or something, this is a decade ago, i've long ago become lazy and chubby as a result

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The point being that saying something is dangerous simply because too much of it is dangerous is incorrect at best and deceitful at worst.

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Of course, now we get to learning.

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Or were you not saying creatine is dangerous and I just misinterpreted?

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It isn't simply that too much is dangerous. It is HOW too much is dangerous.

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oh i wouldn't know one way or the other, i was just a sucker for the marketing

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Well, this is how learning happens, by knowing how both the excess an insufficiancy are dangerous and spotting a useful mean.

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I think I've covered excess creatine shreds simple yet beautiful membranes in the kidneys, what does a lack of such cause?

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Stupidity?

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Crude way to say it, but basically brain damage. Right?

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artifexd: Stop going up layers of abstraction and try going down. Think things with less mass than creatine?

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Fuck, is drunk BingoBoingo teaches physiology going to have to be a thing?

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13831 @ 0.00095177 = 13.1639 BTC [+]

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Medicine/biology are far from my strong points. Even if I got the words right, I likely wouldn't understand them.

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artifexd: Sodium, Potasium, Calcium. Why did I present them in THAT order?

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My first interpretation is Salt and Bones.

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So, any eastern bloc people up? I gots a question.

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Let us spz I have "mice" in my garage. Which SKS variant would require the least fussing as I eliminate the "mice".... Or should I just cheap it out on a Mosin?

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Calcium is an electrolyte?

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Huh

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artifexd: One of the three most important ones. I mean you like self locomotion right?

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It beats being carted around in a shopping cart.

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Sure.

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I always thought of calcium as "that of which bones are made", not as "that which promotes the making of bones"

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Any closer to guessing my secret sauce?

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Nah, bones are the most boring thing calcium does, and most of that is crbon nanotubes anyways

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I didn't know I was looking for a secret sauce. I'm still catching up on logs.

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What does your secret sauce do (at a high abstraction level)?

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Faster, better, stronger, smarter?

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artifexd: It just tweeks some electrlytes.

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To what effect?

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Haven't actually been on it since 2012 which was my lastest functional peak.

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Legends were made that year though.

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(There is an efficient substitute for it though)

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I feel similarly about modafinil. Shit made me productive for many more hours of the day than I am now.

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Fuck, I've actually mentioned it by name already

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Sodium?

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lol

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What have I mentioned tha tnoobs can't find reason t belong?

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That certainly narrows the search space.

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I really should

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Say it does

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To n=1

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The antifungal stuff?

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No, looking too far back

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That just keeps my nutsack from being a jungle mess like Diablo-D3's

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Because meat power has its limits

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!up Diablo-D3

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Voicing Diablo-D3 for 30 minutes.

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Diablo-D3: How's the Rift Valley?

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Nigger

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!down Diablo-D3

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The only things you've named since you brought up amphteracin B are weapons and electrolytes.

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artifexd: I am pretty sure I named Lamotrigine

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!up benkay

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Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.

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You did. To gribble.

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I shoulda caught that.

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Anything to gribble is public with right commands

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Much like Fairbain's knife is right into the proper ribs

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Reading the wikipedia article on Lamotrigine doesn't give me any reason to see it as useful for a normally functioning brain.

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artifexd: Is that a problem with wikipedia or with a popular definition of normally functioning brain

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How soon has wikipedia deleted each MP article

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Then I shall hop over to crazymeds page.

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Let's narrow it. Yugo, Romanian or Russian? Which SKS handles "mice" best

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artifexd: Actually even that won't offer quite a complete picture of the chemical

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Or eastern bloc people is a $50 mosin enough for "mice"

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The freaky side effects are hilarious

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Or terrifying

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The OCD side-effect could be useful.

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Especially in Bitcoin

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If you could recognize an adversary using it

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as their own shtick or a schtick they milk

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I am not clinically ocd but I have ocd tendencies and I consider them one of my strengths.

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artifexd: Did you make it to the drug's MOA yet?

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Shit. No. The ads made me think I had scrolled all the way down and yet I was only halfway down the page.

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MOA means "How it works", right? Mode of Affect or something?

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artifexd: Dude who runs the site is totally disabled. You have to account for such compromising design decisions or worse

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MOA is Method of action

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The internet is not designed for you and your purposes. That is the one lesson I want to hammer into the brains of so many shitheads.

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Ok. I've read it. Didn't understand much at all.

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artifexd: Well the problem is... well did you recognize the problem?

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Correction: I didn't really understand a damn thing.

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I mean, ok, it's a mood stabilizer. But you give me the impression it is so much more.

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artifexd: Lithium is not a simple mood stabilizer.

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Where does lamotrigine fit there

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Smoke? Anchor? Turd?

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entirely different

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!up Luke-Jr

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Voicing Luke-Jr for 30 minutes.

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BingoBoingo, you seem to have the ability to, more than anyone else I know (including mp, maybe not including my wife), make me feel like a complete idiot.

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moiety: some camels need more canings than others to fing water.

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lithium is far too toxic for some and just doesnt work

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lamotrigine can be used in much smaller amounts for a wide variety of things as an add-in

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i totally agree about camels

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artifexd: Full disclosure. I have a diagnosis of Bipolar I disorder. I can't given reality justify actual meds so i love booze.

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Lamotrigine is an anti-bi-polar medicine, right? Being bi-polar means that you tend to go from one extreme mood to the other. Successfully combating that means you in a not extreme mood.

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its far more than that artifexd

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Thus a more stable mood. So, I called it a mood stabilizer.

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Who says I am succeeding right now?

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but a mood stabiliser in itself is a thing

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Mike from breaking bad?

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We all know how his half measures ended...

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moiety doesn't

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moiety runs

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and no i didnt start archer yet either

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So why the comment that lithium is not a simple mood stabilizer when I wasn't talking about lithium. Unless you meant that as to also say that lamotrigine is also not a simple mood stabilizer.

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what i said is that they are both entirely different

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artifexd: Because you said what I wanted to spz. You just added noise to it though.

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"Smoke? Anchor? Turd?" <- I don't understand the reference

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spz?

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Spz is standard math for suppoze

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Ah

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smoke is ephemeral pretend anchors without actual beds to cut into

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think boats

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lol i went to log into the bnf and they give you an option to check your ip. whyyyy? https://www.bnf.org/bnf/login.htm

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Anchors work even if they don't reach the bottom.

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Also recognize that moiety could be more differently right than me on this subject

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So back to before you mentioned lithium. I guess that I do not recognize the problem.

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its the combination game. different strokes for different folks and all that jazz

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^

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Not ^^^

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But ^

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!up dxrt

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Voicing dxrt for 30 minutes.

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What is up dxrt

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Bottom line is that if one is bipolar, lamotrigine is awesome as long as the side effects don't kill you. If you aren't bipolar are there any benefits?

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.0009549 = 5.4429 BTC [+]

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!up benkay

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Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.

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artifexd: Magic happens because I dunno either of those cases

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What magic? What effects did you experience?

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artifexd: How does Hephaestus feel?

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Like a blacksmith?

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Wrond

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artifexd: depends entirely on the drug. for lithium and lamotrigine, i'd say no. but addons eg quetiapine (to stop racing thoughts) can chill people out, aid sleep and also isnt addictive

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its used in place of diazepam these days

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Split that. He doesn't feel a smith. He feels the black.

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moiety: In 'Murica we use brand names like Seroquel (also known as benadryl on steroids)

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Hephaestus was a blacksmith to the gods. He created wonderful and amazing things that were used and appreciated by the most powerful beings in the universe. I'd say he felt pretty proud and satisfied.

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AMAZING COMPANY!

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ofc sorry ishould translate my drugs for globality

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BingoBoingo, we seem to both use english as a source for our vocabulary but you put words together in ways that completely confound me.

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"He didn't feel a smith." <- He didn't feel like a creator of stuff?

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"He feels the black" <- black as in ostracized?

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artifexd: Maybe scroll up? Charles Sander Peirce (pronounced Purse) could simplify these rules

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moiety, how you know quetiapine isnt addictive?

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TestingUnoDosTre: It can be in prison

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cant all sleep aids be considered habit forming?

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I've heard such from victims of my current legal adversary

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TestingUnoDosTre: Who do you think you are?

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Simply>

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is this like a metaphysical question or what?

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the reason why I asked about quetiapine is because I use it, and think of it as habit forming

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39902 @ 0.00095402 = 38.0673 BTC [-] {2}

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TestingUnoDosTre: it's not by chemical nature. people can believe they are addicted to it, but it is not in the physical dependancy sense like benzodiazapines are

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TestingUnoDosTre: Actual metaphysics is still physics

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its also a mood lifter so it gets used for people with depression that have problems sleeping (the racing thought thing)

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TestingUnoDosTre: Slightly different doses of these drugs have such different effects

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Except ETOH, I'll blow when I get in from garage

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ahah alright

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bets on over / under .37?

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I guess I can't bet because I am reading

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which side would you bet?

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TestingUnoDosTre: I'd bet over

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<BingoBoingo> TestingUnoDosTre: Slightly different doses of these drugs have such different effects << so true

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Lemme retreive the canon reference

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;;google the most important article in psychiatry

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Psychiatry articles: The New England Journal of Medicine: <http://www.nejm.org/psychiatry>; The Most Important Article On Psychiatry You Will Ever Read: <http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/07/the_most_important_article_on.html>; Psychiatry | BMJ: <http://www.bmj.com/specialties/psychiatry>

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Link 2

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Read it, niggas

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i love that blog

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my friend writes on antipsychiatry (a psychiatric nurse)

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[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 10 @ 0.14 = 1.4 BTC

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[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0075 = 1.5 BTC [+]

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About to c=blow on the BAC. Any bets?

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Who is over .4 and who is under .4?

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What are the odds?

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artifexd: Scoop your shit and make them yourself

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Bidding closes in 7 minute

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s

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Another combination of words that confounds me. "Scoop your shit" I don't understand. "Make them yourself" I understand.

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;;google "Scoop your shit"

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Urban Dictionary: The frito shit scoop: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=The%20frito%20shit%20scoop>; Pet Poo Can Transmit Disease: Scoop Your Dog's Poop! - Yahoo ...: <http://voices.yahoo.com/pet-poo-transmit-disease-scoop-dogs-poop-12052938.html>; 10 Reasons to Scoop Your Dog's Poop - Petfinder: <http://www.petfinder.com/dogs/living-with-your-dog/scoop-dog-poop/>

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artifexd: Have you ever owned a dog?

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Yes

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I currently have a 6 month old GSD.

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i love GSDs

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Solid(ish) black is mine.

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artifexd: Are you familiar how bitcoin works?

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Yes

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Well...

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I am several orders of magnitude more familiar with bitcoin than pharmacology.

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Cull your herd

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;;google "Cull your herd"

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Culling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culling>; Culling the Cow Herd - OSU Beef Team: <http://beef.osu.edu/library/cull2.html>; How to Cull Cattle: 6 Steps - wikiHow: <http://www.wikihow.com/Cull-Cattle>

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thats a very well written article BingoBoingo

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You know, I gave serious thought to sponsoring your blog in exchange for you mentoring me. Specifically for an agreement that you would explain stuff to me in terms that I could understand.

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TestingUnoDosTre: Which one is mine though

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artifexd: To you I offered nothing of the sort, nigger.

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I didn't say you wrote it, just posted. "The most important article on psychiatry you will evar read"

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You did not.

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Fuck it you are all a bunch of fucking kikes

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You were asking for funds and I thought about making an offer.

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"Throw the jew down the well"

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[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.0425 = 0.85 BTC [-]

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artifexd: Maybe Milosevich pays better you nigger

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Which one?

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artifexd: Slobodan, for Christ's sake (Because Jesus is in the Klan)

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.d

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6.979 billion | Next Diff in 1099 blocks | Estimated Change: 15.0353% in 6d 11h 36m 14s

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00095365 = 16.975 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22526 @ 0.00095448 = 21.5006 BTC [+] {2}

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wywialm

good morning everyone

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51674 @ 0.00095632 = 49.4169 BTC [+] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC

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ping

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wywialm

pong

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;;laserkitteh

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Error: "laserkitteh" is not a valid command.

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benkay Plz do you have rifle thoughts?

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this bet really interests mehttp://bitbet.us/bet/783/bitcoin-incremental-difficulty-to-increase-by-3b-or/

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whats the lasercats command

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i need this info

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moiety promises not to abuse it

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TestingUnoDosTre: I barely find you better than a cow

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like a tasty cow thats been grazing the grass

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?

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udders

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;;lazerkitteh

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Error: "lazerkitteh" is not a valid command.

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TestingUnoDosTre: On a scale of 1-10 how bored might you imagine myself

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no lasers but enjoy this manul http://24.media.tumblr.com/f45c10e080ae5e4e28618b13cad577b4/tumblr_n0srda45nK1si93cio5_1280.jpg

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Manul always gets to cheap out... Unlike people trying to chimp out

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66184 @ 0.00095735 = 63.3613 BTC [+] {3}

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6.66 out of 10, as in you have been more bored within the last 12 days BingoBoingo

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TestingUnoDosTre: I have bored more

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TestingUnoDosTre: don't you bet at the last moment though?

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that was only a playful dig btw :)

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kanzure

asciilifeform: could you join ##hplusroadmap sometime? you have a small fanclub

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;;lasers

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┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52176569 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.51710611 = 7.2395 BTC [-] {5}

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.50850003 = 2.034 BTC [-] {3}

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.508 = 1.016 BTC [-]

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;;lasers

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┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*

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morning ;]

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[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 401 @ 0.00080882 = 0.3243 BTC [-] {5}

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[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 365 @ 0.00075199 = 0.2745 BTC [-] {4}

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 25 @ 0.03199 = 0.7998 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28046 @ 0.00095864 = 26.886 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00095865 = 16.9202 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33566 @ 0.00095765 = 32.1445 BTC [-] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]

~ 17 minutes ~

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[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 90 @ 0.0742218 = 6.68 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 100 @ 0.031 = 3.1 BTC [-]

~ 17 minutes ~

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[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 47 @ 0.0742218 = 3.4884 BTC [-]

04:39

BingoBoingo: do you think there'd be any interest in rugby bets on BitBet, or is the sports betting crowd on their more US-sports-centric?

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mircea_popescu: morning

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heya

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mircea_popescu: I reached out to an affiliate manager I know of, great candidate, to see what it would cost to lure him away from his current venture...no word back

04:43

no rush either.

04:43

yerp, I'll look around peripherally and see if there's anyone I stumble across

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yeah, kinda how this works.

04:57

omfg this chan has a log !?

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mircea_popescu: ikr, I already had to wade through the alexsanjose interview and then there was all that stuff after

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that's where i am.

04:59

TestingUnoDosTre: by the way, I'm really disappointed how bitbet posts latest bets to the front page. I sniped this coinlab bet from a few months , and someone just followed me << now you understand our evil.

04:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32592 @ 0.00095436 = 31.1045 BTC [-] {2}

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artifexd: To be really useful though, it should be run on your own server. << unless you actually lock the thing in a cage, it's not any safer on some server you own or on some server google owns.

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TestingUnoDosTre: how do you gage memory recall? << i'll tell you how. write 10k articles on your blog, then see if you can recall "where x was" when people ask.

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because of google querying it becomes very atomic.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7YmJZ-qVW8

05:03

Dorian Nakamoto - Thank you Bitcoin Community - YouTube

05:03

joecool ^

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shame, I'd hate to be that dude

05:03

but! faraday cage! tempest-proof cases! only glass for networking! solar powered! gotta be safe, no?

05:03

bounce i wouldn't trust a tempest-proof case rated as such by a us institution and/or manufactured by a us corp

05:06

tangentially, there was a... german? that came up with radar-absorbing paint. refused to sell to anyone but "the government" but those weren't interested. wonder if such paint would get you out of speeding tickets. though with ANPR that's a bit moot these days.

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bounce: I worked on an ANPR system for a parking garage years ago (2003?) to catch tail-gaters

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bounce blames fluffypony for the rise of the ANPR databases

05:08

actually, i recall a time when romanian police used plain radars on the roads, and you could get electronic invisibility kits

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once it was working with reasonable accuracy it was quite astonishing to see how many peopel tailgated and then came back days and weeks later

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got clamped, claimed they never tailgated and always paid parking

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(they just spotted the radar and replied with a pulse, making it take its own pulse reply as random scatter and discard the measurement)

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ftp :)

05:09

ah there you are.

05:09

police managed to get my license, a week ago

05:09

they nailed me in a police action with a granny crossing:(

05:09

IIRC that security book linked earlier starts out with a discussion of how the military had a jolly time playing radar cat'n'mouse

05:09

yo Naphex. i wanna do the following : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-04-2014#636082

05:11

let me read up and figure out whats going on

05:17

http://i.imgur.com/7H9gskb.jpg

05:18

IKINMK

05:18

lol that horse looks uniquely unconvinced

05:18

you're an expert on horsey expressions now?

05:19

bounce: it's a subset of Mirceanomics

05:19

or a practical application of it

05:19

"forget the bear, forget the bull, behold the horse"

05:20

though I suspect donkeys might still be more common in romania

05:20

I'm quite horseish on Bitcoin

05:24

BFL apologist on Reddit: "Many other manufacturers do the same. So my miner was used by BFL for 24 hours before they shipped it to me. Big deal. EDIT: And I've been happy with the BFL hardware I've used. Granted I did have to wait a long time for it - and although this is endemic in this industry, it's true that their waiting times have been perhaps somewhat worse than some of their competitors."

05:24

didn't know they still existed

05:26

bit of a horse trade, eh

05:28

an honest review of Neo&Bee stock: http://i.imgur.com/42c7pNg.jpg

~ 15 minutes ~

05:44

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5513 @ 0.00095878 = 5.2858 BTC [+] {2}

05:48

I like this: "Mining pools are Guild Navigators. Nodes are Sand Worms. Developers are the Fremen. reddit trols are House Harkonen. Bitcoin, of course, is Spice."

05:49

heh - "Satoshi = Kwisatz Haderach"

05:55

asciilifeform: in case you want to add that to your collection -> http://i.imgur.com/S4IoBB8.jpg

05:58

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.5080001 = 1.524 BTC [+]

06:01

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06575187 = 0.1315 BTC [+]

06:05

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06574714 = 0.1972 BTC [+]

06:07

http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=139819485423701&w=2

06:07

'FIPS mode is not coming back' - MARC

06:13

davout, is the guy right of MP TAT ?

06:13

Apocalyptic: no, i'm the green bush on the left side of the picture

06:14

i know who you are

06:27

So AtlasATS is partnering with NSE

06:27

hey fluffypony and mircea_popescu, been considering the Sybil problem

06:27

even after that hickup, what a week ago?:)

06:28

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304049904579518224044905190?mg=reno64-ws (paywall'd)

06:28

a possible solution is moderation

06:28

Naphex: if you click through from Google the paywall is gone

06:28

nothing of value anyway

06:29

HeySteve: then you end up with a "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" problem

06:29

HeySteve: aka bitcointalk's "default trust" nonsense

06:29

if we consider trust as it's presently used as separate to what I'd call "realism"

06:30

evidence of the person's existence, as vetted by other "proven humans"

06:30

no, it's fairly decentralised, no centralised watchers necessary

06:31

for example. I have low trust of Karpeles, I wouldn't let him watch my wallet

06:31

but I know for an almost certainty that bastard exists someplace, he's no fiction

06:32

so to apply it, whoever proves an identity is hollow claims a portion of that identity's rep. workable? just an idea really, kicking it around

06:33

bbl

~ 20 minutes ~

06:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12409 @ 0.00095891 = 11.8991 BTC [+]

07:01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00095919 = 6.0909 BTC [+] {2}

07:12

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.0009595 = 27.3458 BTC [+]

07:19

so the SEC recognises "National Stock Exchange" (never heard of'em) as a SRO and now they're going to set rules for Atlas ATS. any rules are good rules, amirite or amirite?

07:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56500 @ 0.00095659 = 54.0473 BTC [-]

07:32

I don't actually get the relationship

07:32

are they piggy-backing off the NSE's recognition in order to avoid needing to get approval anywhere?

~ 18 minutes ~

07:51

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 83 @ 0.00454592 = 0.3773 BTC [-] {4}

07:52

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06573551 = 0.3287 BTC [-] {2}

07:52

morning

07:53

would you enjoy some broken glass for breakfast? http://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg04972.html

07:53

morn

07:53

*ing

07:53

Hearn "Although I never expected it when I first started using Bitcoin, nowadays most of my purchases with it are for food and drink. If Bitcoin could not support such purchases, I would use it much less."

07:54

he's proposing some sort of meta double-spending for the motherland

07:54

to prevent BitUndo

07:54

and other meanie miners

07:55

;;rate mircea_popescu 4 met IRL twice, honored oral bet for .5 BTC

07:55

Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 3 to 4.

07:55

how you know it's a good idea? "This may seem a radical suggestion, but I think it's much less radical than

07:55

some of the others being thrown around."

07:55

it's the best of the worst!

07:56

"The above approach works as long as the majority of hashpower is honest"

07:56

ThickAsThieves: imho Bitcoin isn't designed to be used for a quick purchase of food and drink...but a system that has convenience + chargebacks can be built on top of Bitcoin quite easily (the way credit cards and PayPal are all essentially built on top of cash)

07:57

well, bitcoin also happens to already have a system for preventing double spends

07:57

he wants to put more system in his system

07:57

because "honesty"

07:57

yes

07:58

ThickAsThieves: I HERD U LIKE SYSTEMZ

07:58

but the current system is bad for line-at-Starbucks-and-everyone-wants-to-pay-with-BTC

07:58

i wonder if he'd build the best way to double spend by trying to make the best way to prevent it

07:58

these people...

07:59

maybe time for some FUD posts on triple spends :-P

07:59

double spend is going to be a hard solution to sell

07:59

fluffypony: WE HERD YOU LIKE DOUBLESPENDZ

07:59

this reminds me of redlisting suggestion

08:00

davout: SO WE PUT SOME TRIPLESPENDZ IN YOUR DOUBLESPENDZ SO YOU CAN QUADRUPLESPENDZ WHILE YOU SPENDZ

08:01

i guess he really is a NSA plant

08:05

ThickAsThieves, who?

08:06

Mike Hearn

08:06

My Kern

08:07

plant might be strong, maybe bought

08:07

Darling I don't know why I go to extremes

08:07

Too high or too low there ain't no in-betweens

08:07

And if I stand or I fall

08:07

It's all or nothing at all

08:07

Darling I don't know why I go to extremes

08:07

so what he proposes is honest miners submit double spends to certain pools, if those pools process them then ... what? all their blocks are rejected by the rest of the network somehow?

08:08

they are like a backup plan or someshit

08:08

he's basically building a BETTER BitUndo, i think/....

08:09

well, is it possible to accidentally a block containing a double spend?

08:09

who knows what's possible when you add a new feature that already exists

08:09

and when that is the same person whom, if i recall, helped the last fork occur

08:10

very statist, fix problems that don't exist thus creating problems that do

08:10

I thought bitundo resolved as unlikely to work as a service

08:10

well it's more likely to work early

08:11

so here is something interesting, http://vib.is/fraedsla/bein-utsending/ investor round table for Bitcoin in island :]

08:11

or sumth

08:11

don't know whats going on but one of the guys there is the lead economist at CCP/Eve Online http://vib.is/fraedsla/bein-utsending/

08:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.00095762 = 32.9421 BTC [+] {2}

08:13

if i would've had more time i would deffinetly do a ISK/BTC exchange just for fun:D

08:14

someone is suggesting that Hearn is trolling

08:14

http://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg04962.html

08:14

[Bitcoin-development] Double-spending unconfirmed transactions is a lot easier than most people real

08:14

wouldnt that be a great way to start my day

08:15

trolled by Hearn

08:19

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0435 = 0.2175 BTC [+] {2}

08:19

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03199 = 0.128 BTC [+]

08:19

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-]

08:20

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03199 = 0.128 BTC [+]

08:20

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0435 = 0.174 BTC [+]

08:20

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-]

08:21

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03199 = 0.128 BTC [+]

08:21

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0435 = 0.174 BTC [+]

08:21

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-]

08:22

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 11 @ 0.0742218 = 0.8164 BTC [-] {2}

08:22

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03199 = 0.2239 BTC [+]

08:22

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0435 = 0.3045 BTC [+]

08:30

Would it be correct to say that Reddit is broken economy in that downvoters are not identified?

08:31

some downvotes are auto and not from downvoters anyway

08:31

to get the hot thing going

08:31

doesnt really change my question though

08:31

those could still be identified as such

08:34

i wouldn't read too much into it

08:34

just a ranking algo, doing its job

08:34

showing the most voted stuff up

08:35

ThickAsThieves: what's the medium of exchange?

08:35

http://amix.dk/blog/post/19588

08:39

karma / points

08:39

yesterday it was already established that a point system could work as an economy

08:39

yes, but how do you exchange them between individuals?

08:40

"upvote my post and I'll upvote yours" ?

08:40

same as with WoT ratings

08:40

for every post every user gets one pos coin and one neg coin

08:40

except with WoT the medium of exchange is Bitcoin, by the Trilema post?

08:40

no

08:40

in the WoT the moe is rating points

08:41

read yesterdays log

08:41

i was exploring whether the the WoT itself contains an economy

08:41

must've missed that, I will

08:41

rating points are only as good as their issuer

08:42

well, theyre only as good as the person assessing the issuer decided

08:43

(just pointing out the value is dynamic)

08:44

how about a system where ratings are destroyed if the issuer is collectively deemed a fake or scammer?

08:45

"destroyed" is not always an easy thing to identify

08:45

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82100 @ 0.00096057 = 78.8628 BTC [+] {3}

08:45

in WoT,

08:45

you dont destroy points

08:45

you take them back

08:46

they always exist

08:46

where do you get them points from?

08:47

in WoT? For every user created, each other user received 10 pos "coins" and 10 neg "coins"

08:47

the rules of the economy state thpse coins can only be used with that user

08:48

and that the original owner can take them back at any time

08:48

it's certainly not a typical or, arguably, ideal, economy

08:49

but i think it qualifies nonetheless

08:49

I'm still stuck on this Sybil thing :) if you identify a puppet troupe, is there a mechanism to neutralise it beyond information-sharing?

08:49

well is that a feature required within Mircea's theory?

08:50

nowhere does it say you must be able to remove threat

08:50

you must only have ability to identify one

08:50

and punish one

08:50

oh, well I am talking more with a view to my project, still reading on MP's theory

08:50

whats your project again?

08:50

we could run it through the test

08:50

and maybe see if you have a hole

08:51

essentially to integrate a reputation system within a blockchain

08:51

cool I'd appreciate it

08:51

ok

08:51

well

08:51

mircea_popescu suggested I share one of the key elements, which is that trust rating influences mining rewards

08:51

first it is not yet proven that all systems require an "mircean" economy, though i suspect they do

08:51

this makes things a little trickier

08:52

decentralised system, this is?

08:52

his theory doenst outright require decentralization either

08:52

taaki didit.

08:53

all right, so medium of exchange, punishment gazette, public forum

08:53

right

08:53

what is your system's MoE?

08:53

ratings right?

08:53

altcoin

08:53

oh

08:53

hehe

08:53

so it has two?

08:53

or bitcoin if a sidechain, if that happens

08:53

you can rate people AND get paid?

08:54

having two allows secure lending

08:54

ick...

08:54

lending against rep

08:54

hold up

08:54

your goal is to make a rating system?

08:54

yes, you can rate and transact

08:54

or a lending one?

08:55

if both, handle them separately

08:55

the goal is to make a less scammy cryptocurrency

08:55

as long as you can attach you linkedin profile to it, you should be fine!

08:55

oh yes, they are separate

08:55

oh crumbs no linkedin

08:56

http://rack.0.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDE0LzA0LzIyL2Q3LzA3Ljc2MWQ1LmpwZwpwCXRodW1iCTg1MHg1OTA-CmUJanBn/be4d57af/5f9/07.jpg

08:56

so by my subtheory, i'd say you need all the mircean features in both systems

08:56

well, public forum... yes I knocked up a quick phpBB for testing

08:57

it seems odd to me that you are recreating the WoT, when it already exists

08:57

wouldnt it be more productive to improve the existing one by helping with decentralization efforts or such?

08:58

he just wants to make a spoonfork

08:58

well, that is indeed how I hope things turn out

08:59

here is one potential way to decentralise it

08:59

;;ud spork

08:59

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spork | And on the 8th day, God decided that Adam and Eve needed a multipurpose silverware item. Thus, the spork, a combination of the prongede wrath of th...

08:59

Urban Dictionary: spork

08:59

:)

08:59

its ok for camping, but normally its used in a separate form

09:00

well if a fork is for stabbing, a blockchain is for timestamping as nanotube said to me

09:00

http://cache.backpackinglight.com/backpackinglight/images/items/light-my-fire-spork-xm-M.jpg

09:01

apparently even the spork needed innovating

09:01

wheres the chopstick in this thing

09:01

timestamping doesn't initially seem to add much to a WoT, but I'm starting to think the more data points the easier to spot Sibyls

09:01

sold separately

09:02

an individual is easy to fake, a real network much harder (so my theory goes)

09:02

time-stamping is useful

09:03

it helps someone add context when asessing ratings

09:03

assessing*

09:03

is there a time associated with anything but registration in the WoT?

09:04

I'm thinking rating will be a transaction, so that's timestamped and recorded. as you say, it is another level of context

09:04

yeah it stores when you rated someone

09:04

right?

09:04

;;gettrust kakobrekla

09:04

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 3, Level 2: 18 via 7 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=kakobrekla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kakobrekla | Rated since: Fri May 13 18:50:53 2011

09:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17883 @ 0.0009564 = 17.1033 BTC [-] {2}

09:04

so.. why not just rate bitcoin transactions?

09:05

make it signed before you submit a rateing

09:05

i have no argument there

09:05

and from the same source

09:05

i also have no basic problem with integrating a WoT into the blockchain

09:06

but this might be due to my ignorance with problems of using the chain for things it wasnt "designed" for

09:06

A sells Douche to B through bitcoin, B cand then send a signed rate after.

09:06

<HeySteve> a possible solution is moderation << doesn't work for bitcointalk.

09:07

right ThickAsThieves

09:07

case study in where moderation breaks down

09:07

heh mircea_popescu, I mean something inspired by the voicing in here

09:07

voice isn't moderated

09:07

ThickAsThieves Hearn << "If things evolved naturally, I'd end up mattering much less, which is to say my current denial of my own irrelevance would become much more difficult to maintain, even in my own eyes".

09:07

seems about right.

09:08

i think the point of the mircean way is to have "moderation" be dynamic to the viewer

09:08

the system provides all the info needed to decide for yourself

09:08

fluffypony, nonetheless it is necessary to have at least level 2 trust with assbot or be vouched for to participate

09:08

there's that point about #bitcoin-assets +m producing an aristocracy, of sorts, but that's not the same as modereation

09:08

usenet was pretty spiffy before AOL though. even if you needed a sometimes gigantic killfile

09:08

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 64 @ 0.06594801 = 4.2207 BTC [+] {5}

09:09

ok fluffypony, fair enough, I need a better word for it

09:09

<ThickAsThieves> who knows what's possible when you add a new feature that already exists << lmao

09:09

fluffypony, note that this chan does not moderate who can view it

09:09

^^

09:09

<Naphex> if i would've had more time i would deffinetly do a ISK/BTC exchange just for fun:D << or else just join 1BTC, bitcoin's eve guild, where shares are tradeable for mpex shares etc.

09:09

essentially mining rights will be restricted to those who have been vouched for or rated as definitely being real people

09:09

<ThickAsThieves> Would it be correct to say that Reddit is broken economy in that downvoters are not identified? << yes, but at an "at least in that"

09:10

o_O? blah now I need to go dig.

09:10

<HeySteve> I'm still stuck on this Sybil thing :) if you identify a puppet troupe, is there a mechanism to neutralise it beyond information-sharing? << no, by definition.

09:10

wait you wanna moderate mining rights?

09:11

<ThickAsThieves> first it is not yet proven that all systems require an "mircean" economy, though i suspect they do << all systems contain one, whether aware or not, i'd say.

09:12

all "sustainable" systems at least

09:12

<HeySteve> timestamping doesn't initially seem to add much to a WoT, but I'm starting to think the more data points the easier to spot Sibyls <<< wot has timestamps as it is.

09:12

blockchain would only add some further trust to the already existing states, is all.

09:13

HeySteve voice here is a wholly innovative, quite well designed thing. it has exactly nothing in common with "moderation" as used on the interwebs forums

09:14

<ThickAsThieves> all "sustainable" systems at least <<< all systems with moving parts.

09:15

that's wehy it';s so important, that theory : because it describes the limits of the possibility of being,

09:15

it's not a technology, it's ontology.

09:15

so what steps are needed to make this theory a law?

09:16

people spending a while trying to find a contradiction with reality and failing to do so.

09:17

yeah keep trying to disprove

09:17

that would make it akin to a natural law, yes?

09:18

itll be a tough one to prove

09:18

since a broken economy can exist for a long time

09:18

and people will keep pointing to those

09:18

true

09:19

this is why I asked about decentralised systems

09:19

humans break everything, its a natural law

09:19

just add brokers, and free market theory says it'll cease to be broken. well, at least the brokers won't go broke.

09:22

https://twitter.com/wences/status/458956014474502144/photo/1

09:24

fluffypony yeah, kinda how darwin's stuff ended up law.

09:25

ThickAsThieves but functional is no argument in this discussion.

09:25

but how do you prove that a functional economy is broken?

09:26

other than by saying it's missing mircean qualities

09:27

you can't say, the definition of "definition" is definition

09:27

(unless you are a BitBet mod)

09:27

;)

09:29

I would tentatively suggest an economy is broken if it leaks value into competing economies

09:30

no but listen, this is not a discussion of whether a house collapsed

09:30

it's a discussion of whether it has load bearing walls.

09:30

of fucking course it does, whether it falls down or not.

09:31

the concept of load bearing can be illustrated by proving that the walls that stand actually have loadbearing ability in excess of the load

09:31

and the walls that fall vice versa

09:31

it can't be disproven by showing some houses standing.

09:33

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 825 @ 0.00095565 = 0.7884 BTC [-]

09:34

i understand, yet can't grok how you'd actually go about proving a "house" can stand without load-bearing walls, in practice

09:34

is US economy an offender of your theory?

09:34

by proving that, for instance, kali-of-the-tits holds up houses

09:35

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23r9n2/lets_use_mike_hearns_coinbase_reallocation_to/

09:35

ah good ol reddit dukeouts

09:35

and there's no such thing as gravity etc.

09:36

naphex thats what i was discussing earlier

09:36

that post is petertodd trolling Hearn

09:36

yeah just finished checking it out

09:36

lots of work today

09:37

fucking outrageous.

09:37

anyway, off to lunch.

09:39

heh

09:41

I give peter todd points for style, mike hearn sounds very grumpy

09:42

mircea_popescu ALERT! ALERT! http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/04/23/buffett-cant-find-bear-for-berkshire-annual-meeting/

09:42

"It’s hard to find someone who wants to go on record betting against Warren Buffett."

09:42

lol

09:43

mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/449558141525827584 < did you know wences runs that thing? (i did not)

09:45

bbl o/

09:48

wences, the one with the missile silo ?

09:49

i dunno about missile silo

09:50

in his place, i would've sprung for a satellite constellation, storage using shamir's splitter algo.

09:50

but what do i know.

09:51

asciilifeform: but you don't have (c) and tm after that, so how can anyone trust you to store their BTC safely?

09:51

lol

09:52

just store it in... your nuke.

09:52

http://northernrob.smugmug.com/Other/Various-Bike-Pics/i-Z3Vn98M/0/L/Richs-Royal-Enfield-Nuke-Bike-L.jpg

09:53

speaking of sats

09:53

http://www.coindesk.com/jeff-garzik-announces-partnership-launch-bitcoin-satellites-space/

09:53

here, some yellow press.

09:54

notice what isn't in a 'cubesat.'

09:55

holy cowbell the ignornace

09:55

ignorance

09:55

"a 512GB SSD Drive will do in the satellite for the coming 10 years. It will barely consume power and generate next to no heat at all.... It is not like we are sending miners into space, just public nodes carrying the blockchain...."

09:56

come on, what's missing ?

09:56

there's an obvious attribute of 'adult' sats that is nowhere

09:56

asciilifeform: a computer? some form of communication?

09:58

damnit

09:58

thrusters.

09:58

ability to manuever?

09:58

ah

09:58

ThickAsThieves << winner

09:59

*

fluffypony sends ThickAsThieves 203928312 ATC

09:59

or Timekoin if you'd prefer

10:02

are thrusters required to stop the orbit degrading or something?

10:02

asciilifeform, have you seen this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_6p-1J551Y

10:03

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15752 @ 0.00095284 = 15.0091 BTC [-]

10:04

http://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1144&context=smallsat (pdf)

10:04

see pg. 2

10:04

pathetic lifetimes.

10:04

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52514439 BTC [+]

10:05

'low orbit is no orbit.'

10:05

cubesats are normally a thing for engineering students.

10:05

an exercise.

10:05

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.52961812 = 5.8258 BTC [+] {5}

10:06

making garzik's soliciting for donations that much more ugly

10:06

let's all buy a toy!

10:06

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.52840909 = 11.625 BTC [-] {2}

10:07

fluffypony: aren't SSD drives the least durable one could pick?

10:07

davout: yeah I don't know what that commenter was thinking

10:07

in herr casares's place, i'd actually consider deep ocean sonobuoys.

10:07

so about 3 years and it burns up?

10:07

commenters sayng stuff like "This satellite is really important for the future of bitcoin."

10:07

HeySteve: try 3 weeks.

10:07

"There are so many smart forward thinkers in the digital currency space. I'm so impressed."

10:07

davout: they're probably thinking they can just send a Raspberry Pi and an SSD up and it'll work

10:07

asciilifeform, going on deploy date vs. decay date in the stats there

10:08

;;google SOFAR channel

10:08

SOFAR channel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOFAR_channel>; SOFAR channel - NOAA Ocean Explorer: <http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explorations/sound01/background/acoustics/media/sofar.html>; DOSITS: Sound Travel in the SOFAR Channel: <http://www.dosits.org/science/soundmovement/sofar/sofartravel/>

10:08

it seems they CAN stay up a while, what is different between the ones that last 1000+ days and the month long ones?

10:08

HeySteve, but note the newer cubes last the least amount of time

10:08

sink'em. comms via sonar. no radiation problems, no decay, use thermocline with 'peltier' for energy source.

10:09

is it the launch vehicle, ones deployed low fail quickly perhaps?

10:09

and let it pop its keys if barometer reveals that it's been fished out.

10:09

make the chassis from 'inconel' or similar alloy.

↖

10:09

3000+ yrs. in salt water, no corrosion

10:10

and then you're rid of the Procrustean size limits of orbiting widgets

10:11

to talk to 'seacoin' all you'd need is a hydrophone and a few km of fishing line.

10:11

asciilifeform: enjoy your tectonic plates

10:12

davout: nobody said it'd be trivial

10:12

davout: likewise, note that these wouldn't sit on the floor

10:13

they would live inside a whale

10:13

you want them bobbing about as close to SOFAR depth as possible

10:13

but what about... bitcoin whales (drumroll)

10:13

Pinnochio Nodes

10:13

ideally they'd have a solid-state (piezo?) 'swim bladder'

10:14

Pinocchio*

10:14

Pinodecchio

10:14

asciilifeform, if you're willing to talk me through the science I'll write about Cubesats fails because F coindesk

10:14

naming even works with Rasberry Pi!

10:16

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52422529 = 1.5727 BTC [-] {2}

10:16

HeySteve: lol

10:16

*

asciilifeform blows dust off shelv

10:16

wertz & larson, 'space mission analysis and design'

10:16

get thee to library.

10:17

'reducing space mission cost' (same)

10:18

if you like physical security exotica, consider poseidon's kingdom instead.

10:19

deep sea machines don't orbit decay.

10:20

someone is offering his 3d printed cubesat to the project

10:20

$10 anchor instead of $10M rocket laugh^H^Hnch

10:21

"for the amount saved in mass, you may like to add extra avionics to BitSat."

10:21

yeah let's put plastic in orbit.

10:21

can i get off this planet plz

10:21

my bogodosimeter's maxed out

10:22

take me with you, ill pay for half the fuel.

10:22

http://dev.solita.fi/img/beyond-cargo-cult-software-design/cargoplane.jpg

10:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34421 @ 0.00095313 = 32.8077 BTC [+]

10:26

now if you like yer brain coming out yer ears, remember that launching (orbit, sea, mars, wherever) is the easy part

10:26

i was once taught 'gypsy recipe for chicken' - '1) first, find a chicken'

↖

10:26

we haven't the chicken

10:26

e.g. computer suitable for the application.

10:27

*

asciilifeform imagines the moneyed idiot who launches a 'pc-compatible' running existing softs, for security-critical application

10:29

happens all the time

10:35

http://www.coindesk.com/jeff-garzik-announces-partnership-launch-bitcoin-satellites-space/

10:35

trice.

10:35

this isn't merely sad

10:36

it's undergrad-level sad.

10:37

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 62 @ 0.00481945 = 0.2988 BTC [+] {3}

10:37

there's a certain engineering dynamic at work, where the poor schmuck begins to contemplate what it would take to -actually- solve the problem, and then his starfish begins to pucker

10:38

and he decides that arithmetic won't apply to him if he 'want it enough'

10:39

why do I open my big mouth in the comments section

10:39

"An SSD is non-magnetic storage, there is not really any protection needed. Put a metal case around it and im pretty sure it can drop from the atmosphere into the ground at free fall speed and still operate once free'd from the metal casing"

10:39

*

fluffypony bangs head into table

10:39

the real problem with ssd is the controller on it

10:39

someone else said "tungsten is the high density option- polyethylene is the low option. also, for circular orbits below 1000 km radiation is nominal in terms of bitflips etc."

10:40

re: shielding it

10:40

ssd doesn't do terribly well here on earth.

10:40

;;google ssd ion migration

10:40

Free Today - Paragon Migrate OS to SSD 3.0 - Windows 7 Help Forums: <http://www.sevenforums.com/software/290054-free-today-paragon-migrate-os-ssd-3-0-a.html>; Samsung XP941 NGFF M.2 PCIe SSDs in RAID 0 - The SSD Review: <http://www.thessdreview.com/our-reviews/samsung-xp941-m-2-pcie-ssds-raid-0-worlds-smallest-ssd-combination-hits-2gbs/>; OCZ Agility 4 SATA III 2.5" SSD (EOL): (1 more message)

10:40

fuck it

10:40

;;google flash write cycles

10:40

Flash memory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory>; SSD endurance myths and legends - saga continues in 3D: <http://www.storagesearch.com/ssdmyths-endurance.html>; How to stretch the life of your SSD storage | PCWorld: <http://www.pcworld.com/article/2043634/how-to-stretch-the-life-of-your-ssd-storage.html>

10:41

nah, controllers will die before you will wear it out

10:41

kakobrekla: for chinese boards, certainly

10:41

it doesnt seem to be limited to chinese

10:42

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TyyixJ2bQ4

10:42

Awesome Video CGI for a KID - YouTube

10:42

is anyone involved with the crapsat even vaguely familiar with how adult machines are built?

10:43

e.g. massive redundancy, rad hardening, etc

10:43

;;google tandem cpu

10:43

Tandem Computers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tandem_Computers>; TACL - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TACL>; Guardian 90: A Distributed Operating System Optimized ...: <http://www.hpl.hp.com/techreports/tandem/TR-90.8.pdf>

10:43

are you questioning a core developer of bitcoin!?

10:44

lol

10:45

I believe the charge for such heresy is a negrating on the WoT

10:45

me in #bitcoin-dev : <ThickAsThieves> i'd like to put a nose in my nose to prevent me from having to smell things i dont like

10:45

lol

10:46

;;google zimbabwe rock oil

10:46

Mugabe: 'Diesel mystic's beauty blinded ministers' - New Zimbabwe ...: <http://www.newzimbabwe.com/pages/fuel42.17176.html>; Mystic leads Zimbabwe government on fake fuel hunt: <http://www.newzimbabwe.com/pages/fuel38.16709.html>; Zim 'diesel conjurer' gets 3 years | News24: <http://www.news24.com/Africa/Zimbabwe/Zim-diesel-conjurer-gets-3-years-20100930>

10:50

http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2014/04/23/emergency_services_network/ -- I thought they already had a unified service. so, how hard is it to cook up a few suitable radio designs and add some backing management software?

10:51

and now for today's lul,

10:51

http://cryptome.org/2014/04/TCP32764_backdoor_again.pdf

10:52

haha - just finished reading that

10:52

new idea for s.nsa? :)

10:53

Duffer1: what'd that be ?

10:53

secure routers

10:53

Duffer1: see the point about satellites.

10:54

hehe

10:55

bounce: cook up a few suitable radio designs << think about this.

10:56

there are two basic strategies for invincibility. biologists say 'r-strategy and m-strategy.'

10:56

'm' would correspond to, e.g. satellites, deep ocean pods, etc.

10:57

'r' - well, say, this - http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Radio_20Parasite#996195704

10:58

either would require suitable technological building blocks

10:58

which are conspicuously absent.

10:59

anyone who doesn't grasp this is a pwnie, doomed to be ridden by children in the park.

10:59

didn't DARPA issue a "challenge" for cigarette-sized easily scatterable mobile APs?

10:59

but that's all i'll say about this, for now

11:00

er, s/cigarette/& box/

11:00

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6846 @ 0.00095397 = 6.5309 BTC [+] {2}

11:01

everyone loves physical security exotica, because 'sexy'

11:01

go, polish a turd.

11:01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24054 @ 0.00095242 = 22.9095 BTC [-]

11:02

you talking about dildo wallet?

11:02

kakobrekla: lol, Göringwallet.

11:03

thats the one

11:03

plenty turds in any given polish craphouse

11:05

*

fluffypony wades out of the CoinDesk comment section

11:05

it's becoming worse than reddit

11:07

toughest lesson of undergrad was working out and accepting capital requirements for orbit and deep sea industry

11:08

!up tris

11:08

Voicing tris for 30 minutes.

11:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00095242 = 2.2382 BTC [-]

11:10

benkay: lol

11:12

davout: the story gets more amusing

11:13

cgcardona_

morning everyone

11:14

i was preparing a frontal assault on Nautilus Minerals and Reaction Engines Ltd. when I acquired a redhead who understandably has no desire to live in either rural Britain or within commuting distance of deep-sea deposits.

11:16

REL continues to not deliver (although hey, give 'em a decade or two and maybe we'll get cold fusion while we're at it) and Nautilus continues to inch forwards: http://www.nautilusminerals.com/s/Media-NewsReleases.asp?ReportID=647179

11:17

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06857999 = 0.3429 BTC [+]

11:18

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30950 @ 0.00095193 = 29.4622 BTC [-] {2}

11:18

hue hue hue: http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/F-U:CN

11:26

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50929394 BTC [-]

11:28

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06857999 = 0.4801 BTC [+] {2}

11:38

;;ident

11:38

Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified.

11:38

damn i need to auth

11:43

thestringpuller: how are you voiced if not authed?

11:44

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03199 = 0.16 BTC [-]

11:45

;;ident thestringpuller

11:45

Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified.

11:45

!down thestringpuller

11:45

hater

11:45

:P

11:45

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06859999 = 0.343 BTC [+]

11:46

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06859999 = 0.1372 BTC [+]

11:47

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0324 = 0.2592 BTC [+] {4}

11:47

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.04250059 = 0.2975 BTC [+] {3}

11:47

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.0742218 = 0.5196 BTC [-] {3}

11:48

boring day todau :)

11:48

today* even

11:50

Naphex: if you're bored go troll #bitcoin-dev

11:50

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0325 = 0.195 BTC [+] {3}

12:00

party finished over there hehe so too late ;l

12:00

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.54515920 BTC to 7`064 shares, 36030 satoshi per share

12:00

hello

12:01

i could start working on the payments api but nuff work for the day

12:02

morning, moiety

12:03

how are you benkay? saw something that reminded me of here, so snipped it http://i.imgur.com/VgelVaK.png

12:04

nice.

12:05

i have yet to actually remember the laser-kitteh command, moiety

12:05

;;laser-kitteh

12:05

Error: "laser-kitteh" is not a valid command.

12:05

;;kitteh-lasers

12:05

Error: "kitteh-lasers" is not a valid command.

12:05

;;kitteh-laser

12:05

Error: "kitteh-laser" is not a valid command.

12:05

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03275 = 0.1638 BTC [-]

12:05

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [-]

12:05

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]

12:06

;; laserkittens

12:06

ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*

12:06

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0425 = 0.1275 BTC [-]

12:06

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]

12:07

i'd like to see gribbles logs for the past day or two... so many attempts at laser kttehs

12:07

laserkittens, you say.

12:07

well, thanks moiety.

12:08

i totally did not pm gribble looking... >.>

12:09

kakobrekla, we need lasermanuls!

12:10

twitter's had an fb facelift, it's weird

12:11

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.06310574 = 12.6211 BTC [-] {12}

12:13

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 65 @ 0.06142724 = 3.9928 BTC [-] {18}

12:14

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06000245 = 0.6 BTC [-] {2}

12:18

scotland's so backwards, you can't submit any forms online

12:19

moiety: sounds like here

12:19

except for tax

12:19

so irritating, fucked without a printer

12:19

moiety: what OS?

12:20

OS? winblows, why?

12:20

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2753 @ 0.00013383 = 0.3684 BTC [-] {9}

12:20

I'm on OS X

12:20

and what I've taken to doing

12:20

is using Preview to fill in forms (use the annotation tools where necessary)

12:20

then

12:20

I bought a copy of PDFPen

12:20

fire that up when doc is complete

12:20

I have a PNG of my signature

12:21

copy and paste into doc, resize and position

12:21

save and send

12:21

os x preview will now capture and insert signatures from the laptop camera, fluffypony

12:21

thanks :) i'll try this, i'm not sure if they will accept via email though

12:22

what forms're you submitting, moiety ?

12:22

benkay: didn't know that - but doesn't the form need to have a dedicated PDF-compliant signature block to use that?

12:22

applying to every council i can around here

12:22

fluffypony: don't quite recall much more than writing my name on a piece of paper and dropping it into the pdf.

12:22

cool I'll give that a spin, tks benkay

12:23

i mean the idiotic format lets one absolutely position letters so why not sigs?

12:23

moiety: what kinds of coucils? are you going full-commie on us?

12:23

Eric Clapton and BB King kinda night

12:23

*

fluffypony fires up some muzaks

12:24

lol no i just need somewhere to live

12:24

ah i see

12:24

ah lol davout http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=102 , i had _exactly_ (down to the number) the same argument

12:25

and everything is so retarded here unless you are pregnant and/or have a drug habit

12:25

kakobrekla: as long as we don't have the same gf :D

12:25

:D

12:26

moiety: sounds like you have your work cut out for you.

12:26

well I suppose it's better than the "how come when you messaged that you love me you only put 2 exclamation marks when I put 4?" argument

12:27

fluffypony: you don't know french women

12:27

XD

12:27

juh-hee-zus

12:27

lol

12:27

exclamation points?

12:27

"girl i'm busy you're lucky i hammered that out mispellings and all"

12:28

benkay: yeah, one of the reasons why I married my wife was because she wasn't full of shit like that (full of shit in other ways, but not pedantry/jealousy like that)

12:28

but I had that exact argument with an ex-gf in my mid-20s

12:28

i hate message things that give a 'read' report. just leads to "why did it take you 4 hours to reply?"

12:29

moiety: WhatsApp is the worst with that..."I see the message got delivered because there's a second tick...are we fighting now that you're not replying?"

12:29

moiety: the best way to answer that is "because i didn't feel like it"

12:29

voxer gives a location point on a map, thats even worse, i used to get "why were you not at your house?"

12:29

sometimes more information is worst information

12:30

moiety: ugh.

12:30

*

fluffypony shudders at the thought

12:30

"I'm allowed to go buy food!"

12:30

hah hah

12:30

that's when they "surprise" you with a visit to your house, right?

12:31

no just sitting huffing being a retard. even though if you check the map of my city it would show a Tesco store or something

12:31

i got a "and who's this?" once .. "zoom in, its the doctors -_-"

12:32

*

fluffypony chuckles

12:33

i never used whats app, they kept info of people on their users contacts lists that didnt even have the app o.o

12:33

i'll do you one better

12:34

if i ever want to get off the iphone i have to get a new number, because my current number is cached in every iphone that's ever texted me and will go over apple's servers no matter no matter.

12:34

wtf apple

12:35

i'll probably have to keep the old number alive and set up an auto-responder saying 'this number is dead please try blah blah blah..."

12:35

yeah, I resigned myself to sacrificing all measure of privacy the minute I got my Nokia N95 and realised all the crap that could go on in the background

12:35

but i'm now fucked on this number

12:35

this number is now no longer portable

12:35

that snowden phone that everyone had kittens over seemed a bit futile to me

12:35

well, from provider to provider sure.

12:35

but not from ios to anything else

12:36

benkay: ok no wait that's not right

12:36

I have a friend that switched from iOS to Android in October

12:36

and it doesn't offer the blue iMessage option or anything any longer

12:36

I think if they haven't signed in to iCloud/iMessage from an iOS device it takes them off the active list or whatevs

12:36

cmon guys

12:36

decentralized telephony

12:37

pay2relay

12:37

encrypted HAM?

12:38

nah regular telephonyi

12:40

have a radio mesh of transcievers

12:40

phone looks for strongest signal

12:41

[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 750 @ 0.14 = 105 BTC

12:41

hard to type from phone

12:43

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_mesh_network

12:43

Wireless mesh network - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

12:43

pay to carry voip with cryptos

12:45

ok so

12:46

I'm looking for a bit of seed funding to expand and grow OpenRigs, benkay took a looksie at a previous version of my proposal and made some suggestions (which I've incorporated)

12:46

if anyone has a few mins I'd like a sanity check before I send it out to interested people

12:46

https://openrigs.com/download/proposal.pdf

12:46

(bearing in mind it's a fiat business, not a BTC business per se, so it's not meant to compete with a pure BTC business)

12:47

odd that youre leading with a mining farm

12:47

seems superfluous

12:48

other than to confirm your rigs are practical

12:48

ThickAsThieves: that's exactly it, it's a means to an end

12:48

fluffypony: what changes did you make?

12:49

benkay: pretty much everything you suggested, I kept PayBee in as I don't want to split it out into an entity on its own just yet

12:49

but did everything else

12:49

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0653156 = 0.6532 BTC [+]

12:50

isnt the "Bee" brand kinda taboo now?

12:50

lol

12:50

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.065 = 0.325 BTC [-]

12:50

I didn't think of it that way

12:50

meh, branding is easy to change on that

12:52

even Gox still isn't taboo

12:52

oh, what about GoxBee ?

12:52

lol

12:52

MtBee?

12:52

goxbeeflyknc?

12:53

"Investors can choose to be silent investors, receiving feedback on decisions only,or active investors that will play a role in the decision making process and in the ultimate success of OpenRigs."

12:53

not enough BFL

12:53

"Investors can choose to be silent investors, providing feedback on decisions only,or active investors that play a role in the decision-making process and in the ultimate success of OpenRigs."

12:53

probably could be written better from there, but yknow

12:54

ah good point

12:54

who will you exchange with for paybee?

12:54

you say "it opened its website for trading"

12:54

there should be also deaf and deaf-mute investors

12:55

trading rigs?

12:56

ThickAsThieves: as in "opened for business", will rephrase

12:56

Naphex: Cryptsy, but it's fairly agnostic to the exchange

12:56

jesus :p

12:56

they were just the most willing to make the API changes we needed and they have the volume

12:56

are you Spagni?

12:56

ThickAsThieves: yep

12:57

we're opening our payment services for fiat soonish.

12:57

Naphex: the whole point of PayBee is *not* to do fiat directly, tho - once the funds are in BTC it goes straight into the merchant's Bitpay account

12:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13972 @ 0.00095175 = 13.2979 BTC [-]

12:57

but we wouldnlt even think about that before doing the exchange first

12:58

ah so paybee just accepta altcoins?

12:58

then fowards to bitpay?

12:58

Naphex: yes exactly

12:58

you mention "competitive advantages" but do you mention notable conpetitors and threats to your plan?

12:59

ThickAsThieves: not so much on the frames side, they're too small to mention, but for PayBee yes

12:59

so cooling containers are not mentionable?

13:00

cooling containers?

13:00

liquid

13:00

*

fluffypony ponders

13:00

in other words

13:00

identify where your target audience might be spending their money instead

13:01

not who else makes what you make

13:01

ok good point

13:01

fluffypony: i don't really buy your claims about heat flow. those are the kinds of claims that need to be backed by sims and such.

13:01

"Ofcourse,with

13:01

the momentarily depressed cryptocurrency economy, OpenRigs is gearing itself up for the next massive wave of

13:01

purchasers.

13:01

"

13:01

that line is shit

13:01

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]

13:01

needs to be more professional and include data

13:01

or strike it

13:01

ThickAsThieves: point

13:01

data

13:02

mining

13:02

market predictions

13:02

i lol'd

13:02

benkay: we did FLIR imaging when designing, we're waiting for the FLIR camera to be available for rent again so we can have that data accessible

13:03

you provide some individual profit data per item

13:03

that you didn't save your imaging data is a little boggling.

13:03

but is there also historical totals?

13:03

and projections?

13:03

ah i see a graph

13:04

no numbers?

13:04

benkay: we weren't able to, the dude that rents them is dumb and only lets you observe, not take actual data (although with the new camera he has apparently he'll give us pics and data after)

13:05

ThickAsThieves: it's purposely light on numbers, I'm not sure whether including all the data on the downward slump inspires investor confidence

13:05

well hiding it certainly doesnt

13:05

or whether I'll end up explaining why so much it'll be pages of cruft

13:05

only cruft if you fluff

13:06

not hiding it, it's mentioned and detailed, and even obvious in the graph

13:06

just not full of numbers

13:06

the graph doesnt show expenses

13:06

I can add that

13:06

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21269 @ 0.00095451 = 20.3015 BTC [+]

13:07

can you show that continually mining with units you buy for spec purposes is actually more profitable than selling them once you are done building hardware for them?

13:07

can you show that buying them at all is necessary?

13:07

ASICs certainly aren't, better to flip them

13:07

but GPU mining yes, I have a few years of historical data

13:07

(most units come with size specs, elec specs, etc

13:07

)

13:08

that elec cost sheet seems incomplete, i'm pretty sure there are even cheaper places

13:08

wouldn't gpu mining cbe require actual power bills?

13:08

(i'm being a stickler on purpose, take it or leave it)

13:09

ThickAsThieves: it's from here - http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/average-electricity-prices-kwh

13:09

benkay: yes, but when you're mining scamcoins and dumping them it's always reasonably profitable :-P

13:09

i'd like to see separate charts and numbers on the mining farm profit/expense

13:09

*

fluffypony notes

13:10

the idea being to truly discern whether it drags you down somehow

13:10

in that sensem it maybe should include man hours

13:10

ok

13:10

i think maybe you are conflicted

13:11

and this isnt just about mining cuz it makes sense

13:11

but because you desire to

13:11

particularly evident in your discussion of BFL and preordering

13:11

sound slike you wanna play the game and take ordering risks, etc

13:12

(i've yet to see the mining pitch that actually made sense under real world constraints)

13:12

ThickAsThieves: I like getting stuck into the technical stuff with it, sure, but it *is* a means to an end

13:12

I don't want to "grow the farm"

13:12

I can make that clearer in the proposal

13:12

ok, you mention letting invetsors decide on mining purchases

13:12

fuck that

13:12

what do they know

13:12

thats your job

13:13

you dont want your investors/board acting as employees

13:13

fair enough

13:14

it was more in terms of avoiding scammy pre-orders (mitigating risk) in that space

13:14

(again these are off-the-hip opinions)

13:14

the only thing that makes sense to actually pursue is the rack building thing, and that will live and die by whether or not you can land your asic partner.

13:14

i see you mention paying out dividends

13:15

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.000956 = 5.4492 BTC [+] {2}

13:15

is this sposed to be like a Havelock IPO or something?

13:15

ThickAsThieves: I changed that to "apportioning net profit" later, forgot to search for earlier occurancess

13:15

*occurances

13:15

everything else is just like "woahaoaowwywowao i want to do all these different bitcoin things!"

13:15

i'm not sure there should be any talking of sharing profits in any dividend sorta way

13:16

maybe these are details of negotiation with investors

13:16

i dunno

13:16

ThickAsThieves: how else do you do it then? as an LoC?

13:16

i'm sorta with benkay here, the best thing seems to be the hardware

13:17

well, any time any investor gets money, include you (outside of your salary), they all get their cut

13:17

being owners n all

13:17

including*

13:18

https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=RENT#ui-tabs-3

13:18

RENT still not open for trade?

13:18

heh

13:19

looks like the rentalstarter bagholders grow weary of getting fucked raw.

13:19

with the incoming Scrypt ASICs, does that threaten efforts like your PCI-e multiplexer?

13:20

ThickAsThieves: scrypt-n and X11 based coins will still need miners, and the BOINC/Folding@Home crowd will need it to

13:20

word

13:20

in fact, there's more experimentation with stuff like that being done by the OCLHashCat guys than in the mining community

13:20

because they're not bound by the confines of "what is the most profitable" bullshit

13:24

is Zoom Junction affiliated with you or any of your employees or families?

13:24

i'm still waiting to see these cellular automota-based PoW coins.

13:24

*

benkay elbows mike_c

13:24

i played that

13:24

shhh

13:24

up 20% atm

13:24

ThickAsThieves: no, I know one of the guys that is involved with it, but no affiliation beyond that

13:25

there is only one coin (beside bitcoin)

13:25

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06776612 = 0.4066 BTC [+] {2}

13:25

o i s

13:25

hould stfu?

13:25

no, that's fine

13:25

oh look

13:26

beans all over the floor

13:26

my bad

13:26

mike_c: TimeKoin? :-P

13:26

with wanting to spend $7500/mo marketing, it seems even more sensible to focus on hardware over paybee and such

13:26

just my opinion

13:26

do one thing right

13:26

get dem partners etc

13:26

*

fluffypony nods

13:27

the "funny postcard" mention is either TMI or not enough

13:27

i'm not a fan of competitions for marketing

13:28

but i'm not sure i'd outright forbid them

13:28

https://forum.feathercoin.com/index.php?/topic/6014-openrigs-review-lulz/

13:28

just seems there are better options

13:28

pic of one of the postcards there

13:29

yeah, unless it's some super large or innovatibve marketing method, i'm not sure it needs mention

13:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11615 @ 0.00095175 = 11.0546 BTC [-]

13:29

ok

13:29

it seems a little petty in the context

13:29

same for the corporate gifting and such

13:30

surely theyd prefer colume discounts or referral programs or whatever

13:30

volume*

13:30

we have both

13:30

it's just been my experience that customers get excited about the most arbitrary stuff

13:30

paybee - personally i'd just stick with btc2fiat and implement locally.

13:31

Naphex: then we have regulatory issues to deal with

13:31

lawyera

13:31

we'd have to register as a financial services provider and a deposit taking institution

13:31

lawyers and accountants

13:31

here it's a ball-ache

13:31

i could be wrong on the marketing little things, sometimes i get a bit elitist with my views on it

13:32

i do not mind the mineotaur effort

13:32

including software as a solution seems appropriate

13:32

fluffypony: is bitcoin recognised as a financial instrument? or 'electronic money' in SA?

13:32

assuming it's in your wheelhouse

13:33

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.067 = 0.201 BTC [-]

13:34

Naphex: nope - official stance from the SARB (reserve bank) is - "Bitcoin has no legal status or a regulatory framework."

13:34

so the minute we go into fiat we become a financial services provider

13:35

stay in crypto and we can pretty much do whatever we want

13:35

fluffypony: yeah but youre just sending customer money

13:35

Naphex: local exchange has 10BTC daily volume, so we'd have to do BitStamp -> us -> international wire

13:36

you mention $65k for software dev, and that's for a worker doing it in his spare time?

13:36

we could probably negotiate wire fees with our bank's Forex dept., but I still think we'd be paying a penalty

13:36

and/or contracters

13:36

this seems shakey

13:36

could turn into a black hole of nothing

13:36

contractors*

13:36

ThickAsThieves: yes - I've got deeper numbers on that that I can include, didn't know if it would be info overload

13:36

benkay could certainly comment on that aspect better thabn myself

13:36

fluffypony: yes, and add a buffer at your local bank

13:37

the PayBee logo is horrible

13:37

lol

13:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5135 @ 0.00095129 = 4.8849 BTC [-]

13:37

software in spare time

13:37

always a great idea

13:37

always

13:38

the other brands seem decent though

13:38

Paybee looks like something fiverr shat out

13:38

I'll get the designer to rethink it

13:39

or rename it

13:39

and/or

13:39

yeah, so that's placeholder branding then :-P

13:39

fluffypony: what pays your rent right now?

13:40

benkay: I draw a salary at a group level

13:40

if you must have Bee, then BeePay

13:40

a salary from this group of companies?

13:40

ThickAsThieves: the Bee was only for the .ee domain hack

13:40

it's okay domain hacks dont add success rate

13:40

benkay: no - the GearTribe Group, has a 5% stake in OpenRigs

13:40

and a bunch of other companies

13:41

are you represented within the 5% of GearTribe's too?

13:41

as in, are you separately part of GearTribe

13:41

ThickAsThieves: yes

13:41

probly should disclose such

13:42

I did at the beginning I think

13:42

I'll double check

13:42

"OpenRigs is member of the GearTribe group of companies, of which Riccardo Spagni is one of the group directors"

13:42

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52970385 BTC [+]

13:42

first sentence under Company Structure

13:43

ah, what % of GearTribe is you?

13:43

35%

13:43

maybe say so

13:43

ok cool

13:43

"0-confirmationdepositsfromourwalletsinordertoensurethattradesaremadeassoonaspossiblebefore

13:43

themarketshifts."

13:44

that's not exactly ensuring

13:44

;;ticker

13:44

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 485.24, Best ask: 486.92, Bid-ask spread: 1.68000, Last trade: 486.92, 24 hour volume: 6945.06957363, 24 hour low: 484.62, 24 hour high: 496.1, 24 hour vwap: 490.015634959

13:44

why not just be transparent about what you seel and when

13:44

be verifiable rather than make promises

13:44

ThickAsThieves: it's not 0-conf to us, it's 0-conf between us and them

13:44

i know

13:44

butthere is still delay right?

13:44

from fsrm to the exchange

13:45

farm*

13:45

they do the trade the second we initiate the send

13:45

if the send fails we go into negative that is caught up later

13:45

eventual consistency :-P

13:45

negative what?

13:45

in other words

13:46

when the trade happens our account on the exchange goes -100 ATC +0.5 BTC

13:46

when the deposit confirms on the exchange it goes 0 ATC

13:46

*back to 0

13:46

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00095733 = 35.3255 BTC [+] {2}

13:47

so you sell the coins before they are even deposited?

13:47

so what happens if you get attacked with double spends

13:47

sparta

13:47

before they're confirmed, yes

13:47

what trades?

13:47

opm?

13:47

Naphex: how? they don't have our privkey to double-spend

13:48

well where do you get confirmation data from?

13:48

the coins are already confirmed on our side

13:48

this is between us and the exchange

13:48

ah

13:49

"o CoinhasanenabledBTCmarketonCryptsywithmorethan$1000worthofbuyorders"

13:49

why isnt ATC on cryptsy then!>

13:49

ThickAsThieves: I would write them a strongly worded letter!

13:49

your counterparty is accepting zero-confs

13:49

this is a red flag.

13:50

the whole Paybee thing is a deterrent

13:50

the whole thing is low-margin madness.

13:50

ThickAsThieves atc has over 1k bids?

13:50

what if some countries apply money laundering laws to inter-crypto trade?

13:50

ThickAsThieves: https://www.cryptsy.com/coinvotes - get them to add it there and you can buy votes :-P

13:51

nice

13:51

ThickAsThieves: how would they enforce?

13:51

by forcing an entity in their country to enact AML

13:52

and cooperate with providing logs or whateverthefuck

13:52

ThickAsThieves: if a country banned inter-crypto trades that would affect the exchange primarily?

13:52

i didnt say banned

13:52

oh AML

13:52

i'm just exploring whether you are exposed to red tape

13:52

well

13:52

basically

13:52

we aren't required (right now) to KYC to receive crypto

13:52

if i love your mining rig idea

13:52

i have to also love your trade idea

13:53

this is a problem

13:53

the exchange can be required to KYC us as the depositer

13:53

ok so then I split it out

13:53

separate the entities

13:53

mrstickball

ThickAsThieves: what was fluffypony's rig idea?

13:54

this is in paybee context yes?

13:54

Naphex: yes

13:54

does paybee accept 0conf?

13:54

mrstickball: the frames etc.

13:54

mrstickball

I see

13:54

Naphex: not a chance

13:54

mrstickball

didn't know if there was something else to it

13:54

lol

13:55

you have less money allocated to building this Paybee thing

13:55

ok. does paybee issue 'different' pub addresses for deposits/payments

13:55

than the mining software?

13:55

ThickAsThieves: because I've done most of the underlying work, it's just front-end crap that needs to be done

13:55

dont you have like major security hurdles?

13:55

this latest hearn bullshit is even more laughable than gmaxwell's previous attack.

13:55

who the fuck needs protection from bitundo ?

13:55

i can not be bitundone. nobody sane can. wtf.

13:55

dunno

13:56

does anyone use bitundo?

13:56

"let's solve problems that don't exist through breaking the bitcoin protocol"

13:56

Naphex: kind-of - a payment is only possible for 15 mins, so an address can be re-used every few hours

13:56

doesn't have to be completely fresh

13:57

of course no one uses bitundo

13:57

Hearn is either a devil, or has some kind of offense to people poking at bitcoin

13:57

like Luke-Jr barring sdice tx

13:57

ThickAsThieves more like, they developed bitundo

13:57

children

13:58

nao trying to pass it off as somehow relevant.

13:58

fluffypony: plenty of room for explotation there. which will bug out and might cause your 0conf balance to go wildly negative

13:58

lots of edge cases

13:58

Naphex: if someone makes a late payment, for eg.?

13:58

cazalla you there ?

13:59

so fluffypony

13:59

fluffypony: a lot of the cases are around how you aquire and track tx data

13:59

overall,

13:59

what i see is a nice little hardware business, with ideas about what it could branch to

13:59

that might easily cause problems with a bad implo

13:59

getting bogged down by a load of shit

13:59

[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC

13:59

you ask for $350k when $100k would take you a long way if you focused

14:00

Naphex: we watch the address for the amount requested; if it appears we know it's paid, if it doesn't (wrong amount, too late) we can't "contact the client" to let them know - they have to contact us and say "ohai, I screwed up"

14:00

ThickAsThieves: appreciate the input, I'll work a bit more on splitting it out

14:00

fluffypony: what happens if i senf a tx to multiple addresses you track

14:00

send*

14:01

and send 0.1 to each

14:01

Naphex: doesn't matter, we're expecting 0.5 to address X, not to the "wallet" as a whole

14:01

note i'm not saying split it out

14:01

i'm saying the extra shit should be tabled til the other parts are fully grown

14:02

*

fluffypony ponders

14:03

fluffypony: yeah but in my case you are receiving 4 payments in the same tx

14:03

ThickAsThieves: so then would it be better to 1. keep everything in but stagger the funding (eg. 100k now, another 100k when X milestones reached, etc.), or 2. take stuff out and then seek further funding later

14:03

to 4 different addresses that you track awaiting payment

14:03

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00095846 = 16.4855 BTC [+] {2}

14:03

BingoBoingo: Let's narrow it. Yugo, Romanian or Russian? Which SKS handles "mice" best << i doubt yo ucould shoot mice indoors.

14:03

Naphex: sure, but we aren't watching transactions

14:04

Eh

14:04

Naphex: have you worked with listreceivedbyaddress at all?

14:04

well, in my opinion, i think the hardware business is the most sensible aspect, and then the mineotour stuff a nice thing to branch into

14:04

so maybe 2 phases

14:05

and 1 paybee gets tabled to be revisited in a year or whatever

14:05

ThickAsThieves: ok cool, I'll start reworking

14:06

thanks for all the input everyone

14:06

Naphex: getting back to what you were saying - listreceivedbyaddress <minconf=1> <includeempty=false>

14:07

so we poll that

14:07

ah

14:07

and once an amount is available in an address for the minimum number of confs it's in the json

14:07

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [-]

14:08

(listreceivedbyaddress shows a "running total", of sorts, so you have to know what the previous value was to spot that it's changed, but that's trivial"

14:09

fluffypony: i know, a lot of implos i reviewex had very bugged tracking

14:09

thats why i was asking

14:09

Naphex: yeah I know, I struggled with the dynamics for a while before settling on "just poll the daemon"

14:09

early attempts were "just watch the blockchain", but altcoins implementations are so ridiculous

14:10

mircea_popescu: wth, you have mice indoors?

14:11

http://bit.ly/1lFMuuB << check out that shit. 3 > 2 > 1 > 7 > 8 > 9

14:11

Naphex presumably he's not about to run amok on a field shooting mice

14:12

Turns out it actually was a mouse and I had managed to dispatch it by stepping on it

14:12

:))

14:14

"Supreme Court says child porn victims can claim payment from anyone who has their images"

14:15

incentive?

14:15

cp royalties?

14:15

wtfux

14:15

ThickAsThieves https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/459032829788430337

14:16

danke :)

14:16

Naphex joint and several liability.

14:16

:)

14:17

The ".farm" TLD is now available.

14:17

im curious if they'll STILL pretend like "nobody is pointing and laughing at the naked emperor".

14:17

kakobrekla yeah, i did know.

14:18

!up zedong

14:18

Voicing zedong for 30 minutes.

14:19

benkay: So yeah, hangovers still a thing

14:19

speaking of cube sats : romania's first and so far only sat, a 10cm cube, was launched last year

14:19

it failed within a week.

14:19

how come all the newer ones fail sooner?

14:19

3d printers :D

14:20

how come coca cola sucks now. etc

14:20

even space cant escapt the walmart effect

14:21

fluffypony: davout: they're probably thinking they can just send a Raspberry Pi and an SSD up and it'll work <<< they shouldn't have to spring for a ssd.

14:21

BingoBoingo: must we type quietly?

14:21

can't they just store it all in the cloud ?

14:21

they can't hear you save-a-lot in space

14:21

amazon should pay for it, because this is so innovative and forward thinking anyway

14:21

well there's spacex, doing reusable launch vehicles

14:21

they'd recoup it all in no time because they'll get reddit gold and forum love.

14:22

mircea_popescu: maybe Amazon can just arrange for the CubeSat to be delivered into space by quadcopter

14:22

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06544472 = 0.6544 BTC [-]

14:22

what else is there to live for?

14:22

fluffypony i like asciilifeform

14:22

s sonar idea.

14:22

should be on a sat.

14:23

Dogecoin Low Orbiting Quadcopter-Launched, Sonar Linked Cloud Sattelite Without Carbon Footprint.

14:23

DLOQLSLCSWCF

14:23

lol

14:23

no carbon footprint!!!

14:23

let's write a whitepaper and raise funds

14:23

it's for porn.

14:23

we'll call it "Proof of Launch"

14:23

more like "proof of drool"

14:24

basically everyone sends funds to a Bitcoin address, and then we convert that to SateliteCoinz that we give them

14:24

and then we spend all the money and don't do anything

14:24

btw davout that blondie said she's got tickets to whatever concert tonight.

14:25

https://blockchain.info/address/1KHfLixa2idRnZXMUfEisBati1vpywaH6E <- MaidScam raised 6240 BTC so far

14:25

Bitcoin Address 1KHfLixa2idRnZXMUfEisBati1vpywaH6E

14:25

I swear, all you need is a whitepaper and a few media interviews

14:25

fluffypony let me let you in on a secret

14:26

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.0009596 = 9.9798 BTC [+] {2}

14:26

#bitcoin-assets secrets

14:26

there's no way in hell that much coin was spent on MaidSafe

14:26

!up joecool

14:26

Voicing joecool for 30 minutes.

14:26

thanks

14:26

;;seen gribble

14:26

it's smoke and mirrors

14:26

hm. if gribble is not here to have not seen gribble, is gribble really gone ?

14:27

well if the secret is not really obivous : neobee claimed to have raised 5k btc. but they lied.

14:27

gribble will live on in our memory

14:27

the reason they lied is that the fuckwits on the forum like to invest if they perceive others have.

14:27

(and logs)

14:27

not that the fiat venture circuit is any different. we had a lol over this @con

14:27

!up the20year

14:27

Voicing the20year for 30 minutes.

14:28

at my expense :)

14:28

the20year well if no gribble it's problematic.

14:28

so romania's space program is neck and neck with DPRK's?

14:28

Is there a way to ID with gribble if he isn't here?

14:28

Romania doesn't have MRBMs

14:28

coincidentally i just emailed the software guys

14:28

joecool hardly.

14:28

Which is only slightly worse than DPRK

14:28

told em to get into the channel

14:28

so we'll see

14:30

We located a potential property #7

14:30

mircea_popescu: hitbtc says they got 7m usd, in investments

14:31

how is the 3PO going the20tear?

14:34

ThickAsThieves: software aguys?

14:34

Decent, started great, has slowed down. Could be due to market, could be due to dropping out on the CREI stuff

14:35

benkay, the software team that was making all the Neo stuff, got stranded, etc

14:35

they have a plan to stay afloat

14:35

i told em to come here for trial by fire

14:36

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06776309 = 0.2033 BTC [+]

14:37

ThickAsThieves: are they locals or did some relocate there?

14:37

neo drama killed lots of its momentum imo

14:38

if not all

14:41

17,790 sold first week of 3PO; 1,465 second week, 1,785 third week. any estimates on how long it's going to take to clear the rest of your sale, the20year?

14:41

they are based in cyprus

14:41

two guys plus a whole team they hired

14:42

sucks

14:42

they got about 80% done with varioud Neo projects and were never fully paid

14:42

find someone to relocate them to South Africa

14:42

but will scrap all that stuff

14:42

I'll sort them out

14:42

they have new ideas

14:42

ideas, you say...

14:42

the sort i am not familiar with

14:42

STRANGE IDEAS, YOU SAY!

14:43

perhaps wifi in the cardano.

14:43

and generally i met these guys and like them as people, so would hope that any bad ideas can be squashed earlier than later

14:43

and maybe the crew here can help them see any weaknesses

14:43

everybody throw a btc idea out there, as fast as possible :p

14:43

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0679895 = 0.6119 BTC [+] {2}

14:43

sharpie in pooper

14:44

nah i think their focus is in providing specialized bitcoin software solutions

14:44

thin clients and other mumbo jumbo i no nothing about

14:44

know*

14:44

well get 'em in there

14:44

here

14:44

wherever

14:45

benkay: sharpie in pooper = warm storage?

14:45

hopefully this week benkay

14:45

assuming they dont chicken out

14:45

Benkay, at this rate 3-4 more weeks, but the funding ends on the 7th whether they sell or not

14:52

ThickAsThieves: i believe it was you who was talking about timestamps on blocks. See here how it is unreliable in practice: http://i.imgur.com/i6Xa7Qd.png

14:53

some altcoin miner has a bad system clock.

14:53

it was me, i forget the topic

14:53

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3500 @ 0.00013124 = 0.4593 BTC [-] {3}

14:53

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0683931 = 0.4104 BTC [+]

14:54

<ThickAsThieves> they got about 80% done with varioud Neo projects and were never fully paid <<< unless some greenhorn makes the mistake of "buying it", in which case the 80% turns into... nothing at all.

14:54

their lawyers say to scrap it regardless

14:54

who's lawyers?

14:55

mircea_popescu: "btw davout that blondie said she's got tickets to whatever concert tonight." <<< wat

14:55

programming consultants for Neo

14:55

<ThickAsThieves> and generally i met these guys and like them as people, so would hope that any bad ideas can be squashed earlier than later << except that's not what they want. they want their stupidity to be empowered by incompetent management, exactly like brewster. which is why they worked for him rather than for me. the only thing they'd do differently, the ONLY thing, would be for it to "work" this time. by itsel

14:55

f. they're great, as they are.

14:55

davout Oleanie joined, so whadda ya expect.

14:55

lol

14:56

oh, the other blondie

14:56

the other blondie has a peen

14:57

dude this fucking log. am i ever going through it!

14:58

mircea_popescu: my fucking log is pretty packed too, gotta buy a new one

14:58

lol

14:58

in debating whether to go to Amsterdam next month, my wife "you can't just go to Europe every month!" me: "why not? i can do whatever i want"

14:58

she didnt know what to say

14:59

http://moneygunsweed.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/killian-skarr-sex-machine03-500x666.jpg << the fcking log.

14:59

yikes

14:59

ThickAsThieves http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjCHD41I7ok

14:59

ew

14:59

lol

15:00

da fuq

15:00

do not want

15:00

!up BigBitz

15:00

Voicing BigBitz for 30 minutes.

15:00

;;gettrust assbot BigBitz

15:00

Currently authenticated from hostmask BigBitz!~BigBitz@dab.stonabox.me. Trust relationship from user assbot to user BigBitz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=BigBitz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BigBitz | Rated since: Fri Apr 26 11:13:53 2013

15:00

thx.

15:00

BigBitz you id with gribble then pm assbot !up

15:00

;;ident

15:00

Nick 'BigBitz', with hostmask 'BigBitz!~BigBitz@dab.stonabox.me', is identified as user 'BigBitz', with GPG key id AB6B34E4289B7F96, key fingerprint E6D96C3A035A057AD9DD8A9DAB6B34E4289B7F96, and bitcoin address 1BigBitzyouKT2eVYvHbRUNMkCp9bvAvSu

15:00

Ah !up - didn't know the command. :)

15:01

ThickAsThieves go to Amsterdam. It's nice :)

15:01

HeySteve: "for the amount saved in mass, you may like to add extra avionics to BitSat." << satellite avionics ?

15:01

BigBitz, I've been, twice

15:01

ThickAsThieves third time will be a charm then.

15:02

just $1800 to fly and attend the conference

15:02

ThickAsThieves: so then come to glorious South Africa!

15:02

Meh isn't the AMS conference a flop?

15:02

which one of you weirdos was hunting mice with a mosin.

15:02

or did i dream this

15:02

fluffypony:

15:02

"An SSD is non-magnetic storage, there is not really any protection needed. Put a metal case around it and im pretty sure it can drop from the atmosphere into the ground at free fall speed and still operate once free'd from the metal casing" <<< pretty sure is magic!

15:02

Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1793270/plain/)

15:02

!b 1

15:02

I want to go to South Africa, actually, fluffypony.

15:02

*

fluffypony has wine

15:02

BigBitz: let me know if you want to come, you can take a turn past us and we can see how many bottles of wine we can get through

15:03

mircea_popescu: yeah that quote broke my brain

15:03

mircea_popescu: you should see where the comment thread went to from there, that guy was an idiot

15:03

fluffypony, awesome. I want go to Safari.

15:03

fluffypony there's a reason i don't read these things.

15:03

i do have all these euros i converted at the airport that were of no use in ROmania

15:04

BigBitz: so many awesome safari places near us and up near Kruger park, so for definite let me know :)

15:04

Awesome. If I am there I will hit you up. :)

15:04

asciilifeform that zimbabwe oil thing and the peron cold fusion thing should make babies.

15:04

loltron!

15:04

asciilifeform: I believe BingoBoingo was inquiring about the rifles.

15:05

<+fluffypony> ThickAsThieves: so then come to glorious South Africa! // my wife would be into that

15:05

the baby will incubate in the '90s 'elbrus' supercomputer

15:05

she wants to save the animals

15:05

and pet them

15:05

etc

15:05

ThickAsThieves so you shoot them, she hurries them to the animal er.

15:05

lol

15:05

ThickAsThieves: we're literally 20kms from Jukani - http://www.jukani.co.za

15:05

i'm the only one here that's actually shot things btw ?

15:05

negatron.

15:05

how dare you, knowing of my scarred upbringing!

15:05

i shot things

15:05

that's good then.

15:06

mircea_popescu: I have, then I married a vegetarian, now I have to do it on the sly

15:06

ThickAsThieves i mean things with a pulse.

15:06

ive skinned things alive

15:06

i've also done the dirty work of laying birds in the field.

15:06

:/

15:06

fluffypony maybe you should marry ThickAsThieves and your blondie his.

15:06

hah hah

15:07

#bitcoin-assets...making swinging...interesting since April, 2012

15:07

i dont think any live thing i shot at ever connected

15:07

my dad had to take over

15:07

he still does bow hunting

15:07

he actually was a gundealer for a while

15:08

i shoot phesants every fall.

15:08

tasty too!

15:08

ive killed many sea creatures though

15:08

various methods

15:08

mod6: I read that as "I shoot peasants" and I was like "ooooh, he must live in Australia"

15:08

lol

15:08

haha

15:09

Naphex here's a joke for you :

15:09

two gypsies doing crossword puzzle. "haoleo metal prehtios din patru litere minca

15:09

-ti-as"

15:09

*din trei litere

15:10

"haur!" "hala-i din patru mo!"

15:10

"fer"

15:11

:))

15:13

kakobrekla:

15:13

ah lol davout http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=102 , i had _exactly_ (down to the number) the same argument << maybe you two should exchange wives for a summer ?

15:13

and see who comes back with a better rating?

15:14

lol good one.

15:14

TomServo: lol

15:14

fluffypony: well I suppose it's better than the "how come when you messaged that you love me you only put 2 exclamation marks when I put 4?" argument <<< you know, there's a relation between the welt count per butt and domestic bliss.

15:15

(if you're any good you can make them look like exclamation points, too)

15:15

not looking so much for exchanging as to adding.

15:15

hah hah

15:16

(also notice that my comment was gender-neutral)

15:16

some prefer to bend, some prefer to send, I don't judge

15:17

moiety: voxer gives a location point on a map, thats even worse, i used to get "why were you not at your house?" << oi. ok that takes the fucking cake.

15:17

"because i felt like swallowing and i was fresh out of frozen splooge."

15:17

http://eprint.iacr.org/2014/248

15:17

Cryptology ePrint Archive: Report 2014/248

15:18

kakobrekla: not only that

15:18

kakobrekla: xen, for instance, emulates a NIC with... promiscuous mode

15:18

why? ask it, not me

15:18

asciilifeform: ouch

15:20

in general, 'don't install toilet in kitchen'

15:21

mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPBy7XXmylo#t=170

15:21

asciilifeform, that sounds like a murican label

15:21

asciilifeform i once rescued a damsel from a situation where her living space consisted of... kitchen. you could shower over the "toilet", and there was a small stove nearby.

15:22

mircea_popescu: ussr?

15:22

worse.

15:22

davout passed it along

15:22

пааааартия ленинааааа!

15:22

doesnt count, too easy, no effort.

15:23

what do you mean?

15:23

davout i'm not the one that lost me A FORTUNE in bitcoinz

15:23

aah i see

15:23

"MILK FUTURES RISE TO RECORD $24.29 PER 100 LBS IN CHICAGO. Who needs food anyway" << clearly, BingoBoingo isn't telling us everything.

15:24

sitting here scamming us about how he drinks hooch etc.

15:24

milk from what species.

15:24

http://pando.com/2014/04/23/the-revolving-door-between-google-and-the-department-of-defense/

15:24

The revolving door between Google and the Department of Defense | PandoDaily

15:25

asciilifeform bos taurus ?

15:25

that has to be cheaper

15:25

mircea_popescu: that was the tip of the iceberg with that dude, total idiot. also, shower/kitchen is better than no living space at all!

15:25

http://news.sky.com/story/1247985/raf-jet-chases-russian-planes-away-from-uk

15:25

RAF Jet Chases Russian Planes Away From UK

15:26

moiety well, independence, you know ?

15:26

davout "technique and shit. i should've fucking figured that the french are going to pwn anything involving diddlage" ~mpoe-pr

15:27

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/04/quentin-tarantinos-lawsuit-against-gawker-thrown-out-of-court/ << lels.

15:27

in which dictionary am i fucking supposed to look up "diddlage"

15:27

urban

15:27

davout: dildonics

15:28

;;ud diddlage

15:28

Google found nothing.

15:28

;;ud dildonics

15:28

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dildonics | Probably a lot of lesbians have degrees in dildonics. Sometimes a fag named TJ sneaks in a warehouse and frolics around in a pile of dirty dildos. What a dildo.

15:28

Urban Dictionary: dildonics

15:28

bwah

15:28

!up Mats_cd03

15:28

Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.

15:28

:D

15:29

moiety, you know, youre my favorite

15:29

;;ud dildotics

15:29

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dildotics | Jan 13, 2008 ... dill-dod-iks; noun or adj. The science or study of dildos and the origin of their creation. Trademarked by Dildotics Incorporated, circa 2002. Adv..

15:29

Urban Dictionary: dildotics

15:30

davout prolly the act of diddling.

15:30

;;google to diddle

15:30

Urban Dictionary: diddle: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=diddle>; diddle - definition of diddle by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus ...: <http://www.thefreedictionary.com/diddle>; Diddle - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/diddle>

15:31

am i the only one that ups you or something Mats_cd03

15:31

moiety: that sounds a little dirty

15:31

hey, this is only the second time

15:32

Mats_cd03: they say you never forget your first time

15:32

davout: dude, i never think about that shit before i hit enter. i do it all the damn time, sorry

15:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32383 @ 0.00095377 = 30.8859 BTC [-]

15:32

usually i pester benkay, but hes probably wasted and tryna molest a deer in the woods

15:33

benkay broke me in before kakobrekla showed me how to do it myself ;P

15:33

i do know how that sounded though lol

15:34

wat

15:34

oh a Mats_cd03

15:34

balauru inseamna pacatul, preotii recomanda rugaciunile pentru a proteja animalele din ogara

15:34

just heard on tv.

15:34

only in romania

15:35

!

15:35

fluffypony: https://openrigs.com/download/proposal.pdf << ditch the pdf srsly.

15:35

Naphex: translate plx, Google translate results are confusing

15:35

i can translate that

15:35

it has 'animal' in it, so he must be talking about animals

15:35

"dragon means sin, teh priests recomend prayer to protect domestic animals"

15:35

fluffypony: its the same in romania

15:35

lol

15:36

was on the news

15:36

har if only i'd had the pleasure of breaking you in, moiety

15:36

makes more sense than Google translate: "Balauru means sin, priests prayers recommend to protect animals from Greyhound"

15:36

i must still be in me dream. perhaps i should go back & finish sinking the nazi sub.

15:36

lol greyhound

15:36

hehe

15:36

re openrigs . the whole things is a fad just like diy water cooling was a fad 10 or 15 years ago

15:36

ThickAsThieves: isnt the "Bee" brand kinda taboo now? << very.

15:37

kakobrekla you gotta put the boards somewhere no ?

15:37

*

mircea_popescu is not a hardware guy.

15:37

can't help but think of cleopatra's alleged diddlomat. glass, filled with bees.

15:37

wat

15:37

kakobrekla: that's fine, I'm not aiming to create a massive company that will be around forever, quite happy riding a wave, making money, and letting it wind down as we transition to the next thing

15:38

hey mircea_popescu and asciilifeform now that you've demo'd the cardano for the elite when do you start taking our btc for them?

15:38

as long as that wave is 5+ years and not 6 months

15:38

ive heard of gerbils, but this bees thing is new to me

15:38

Mats_cd03: Neo & Bee

15:38

benkay that's a good question.

15:38

^re: cleopatra

15:39

will iget kicked for life if i say i thought the cardanos were cute?

15:39

why does everybody love pre-orders so much ? so they can bitch when conveyor delay?

15:39

i said nothing about pre-orders, asciilifeform.

15:39

actually its even worse, the goal of water cooling was to spend money and look good, the goal of rigs is to make money looking like an idiot

15:39

;;google cleopatra bee vibrator

15:39

The Bizarre History of the Vibrator: From Cleopatra's Angry Bees to ...: <http://gizmodo.com/5909857/the-bizarre-history-of-the-vibrator-from-cleopatras-angry-bees-to-steam-powered-dildos>; Cleopatra's sex toy made of bees - snopes.com: <http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=82547>; The Long, Strange History of Sex Toys | Alternet: <http://www.alternet.org/sex-amp- (1 more message)

15:39

;;ticker

15:39

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 485.18, Best ask: 487.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.82000, Last trade: 487.0, 24 hour volume: 6238.13274079, 24 hour low: 484.61, 24 hour high: 495.2, 24 hour vwap: 0

15:40

vwap 0 srsly ?

15:40

hahahahaha

15:40

;;calc 314.59764223 * 485

15:40

152579.856482

15:40

meanwhile brk-a is 190k

15:41

kakobrekla: well, it's also a cheaper proposition - our market isn't only people-with-$$$, the BOINC/Folding@Home crowd need better cooling than 20cm fans in an ATX case but they can't afford / don't want to spend money on water cooling or mineral oil immersion

15:41

wanna show off, cool in Fluorinert.

15:41

but sure, in 5-10 years when GPUs are all mini-PCI-e size, it's different

15:41

fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: it's purposely light on numbers <<< that's stupid.

15:43

benkay: the only thing that makes sense to actually pursue is the rack building thing, and that will live and die by whether or not you can land your asic partner. everything else is just like "woahaoaowwywowao i want to do all these different bitcoin things!" << undersigned.

15:43

https://soundcloud.com/mgmrecords/the-aston-shuffle-tear-it-down-gamper-dadoni-remix

15:43

kakobrekla: actually, the only time i ever built a water-cooled machine, it was to get rid of the damnable fan hiss

15:43

'lady music' if benkay is a judge

15:44

yup starts with a piano designed for tingles

15:44

im still butthurt you said that

15:44

there we go again

15:44

asciilifeform i have build many but now i have a fan solution that is quieter than any pump.

15:44

ew wtf is this plinky plonk guitar

15:44

Mats_cd03: i have joins/parts turned off

15:44

so just msg me when you want up

15:45

although you gotta cut it out with this gay house/trance/whatever shit

15:45

*

benkay bobs head sarcastically

15:45

oh yeah baby

15:45

*

Mats_cd03 searches for something palatable

15:45

soundcloud keeps on finding ways to suck more

15:46

dat sax, though.

15:46

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22350 @ 0.00095588 = 21.3639 BTC [+]

15:46

one of my normal haunts recently tried to play pandora plus in two separate locations in their joint

15:47

subjected everyone within earshot to endless "your pandora plus account is being used elsewhere"

15:47

!l glbse yah

15:47

I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.

15:47

basically guaranteed that nobody in that cafe will ever give pandora another damn dime.

15:47

wasnt there a 'yah' thing ?

15:48

for everyone's laughter:

15:48

http://imgur.com/uE4oR6X

15:48

imgur: the simple image sharer

15:48

asciilifeform but back in the day people were doing it mostly to show off and oc.

15:48

circa 2000.

15:48

brought this to dormitory on a wheelbarrow

15:48

such cool

15:48

epic, asciilifeform

15:48

such fool!

15:49

was i

15:49

cpu only?

15:49

nope

15:49

everything

15:49

that's awesome

15:49

still had a small case fan in there, for the rectifiers, etc

15:49

many stories, this thing spawned

15:49

that's a clear case of not fscking around with the cooling

15:50

toyota corolla.

15:50

what's in there though, a pI? how much heat does it produce?

15:50

anyway, with todays tech you can get silence with air. i dont hear my box even if its on full load.

15:50

this was a dual 'athlon'

15:50

sent to scrapyard long ago.

15:50

I remember trying to watercool a peltier cooler on my Pentium

15:50

actually, i gave the radiator to diametric

15:50

he has it bolted to a co2 laser, i think

15:51

that's what, 2x40W tdp?

15:51

we ripped the interior air heating radiators from cars

15:51

way before you could buy stuff off shelf

15:52

anyone who wants to build such a junker today, why, who knows. but use a 25mL test tube for fill port (drill bottom)

15:52

(i worked in a lab in those days)

15:52

this bugger was no show piece, meant as workhorse

15:52

but rumours spread, and other kids came demanding to see it

15:53

even girls

15:53

mircea_popescu: "vwap 0 srsly ?" <<< where are the puts when you need them?

15:53

25uL

15:53

fuck, still not awake

15:53

;;rate los_pantalones 1 hooked a brother up with some cleverness

15:53

Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

15:54

erk

15:54

bounce: 2x40W << there was a gpu; also a massive scsi hdd

15:54

the latter eventually caught fire

15:55

gpu in 2000? o_O?

15:55

heh

15:56

very basic 'nvidia' thingie

15:56

this machine never once touched winblows

15:56

'freebsd' until it went to the scrapyard.

15:56

freebsd 4 best freebsd

15:56

aye

15:56

bounce: you never had a 3DFX Voodoo?

15:57

oh right. no, I didn't have fancy new hardware.

15:57

in some ways, that beast was an experience

15:57

wake up, check coolant level

15:57

'fuck, microscopic leak again'

15:57

lol

15:57

hm i dont seem to have many pic from that era, but i was using this when i was 15 http://imgur.com/veyY8j9

15:58

the cooling is not hooked up on the pic

15:58

kakobrekla: if i'd used that, some bugger'd have step in it.

15:58

kakobrekla: is that mirc?

15:58

correct

15:59

it was not the first or the last or the best but yea.

15:59

used a dual ppro for a while, though it wasn't mine and I had to give it back eventually.

15:59

Naphex, if you love me do the following thing :

16:00

what can compare to slipping a 'drowned' video board (all-snow display) into a chum's box at night.

16:00

on the page where one can submit documents to be verified, add a link to a textfile constructed as gpg -export-pubkey -a | gpg --clearsign -a

16:00

and add a simple html form where i can dump my files as a gpg -r -a

16:01

mircea_popescu: will do

16:01

this substantially improves your security and helps a lot of things

16:01

ill add it to tasks, i like the idea

16:01

if you're concerned about getting spammed simply make a sensible limit per upload (5mb ?) and only keep one record per account (the last)

16:01

so you auto-overwrite by resubmitting

16:01

all uploada are limited

16:02

so there.

16:02

yep. i'll add it. i like gpg

16:02

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.51991795 = 1.5598 BTC [-] {3}

16:03

i like people one doesn't have to argue with.

16:03

;;ident Naphex

16:03

Nick 'Naphex', with hostmask 'Naphex!~naphex@btcxchange.ro', is not identified.

16:04

Naphex well if you like gpg add a gpg sig to gribble wot so i can get your pubkey.

16:04

Naphex: since when is your exchange up?

16:05

davout: around december

16:05

!up LeMarkz

16:05

Voicing LeMarkz for 30 minutes.

16:05

open outside romania too ?

16:05

mircea_popescu: i will. only have special keys for docs and ndas

16:05

and other unrelated

16:05

so make another i guess ?

16:05

Naphex you only deal with ro people?

16:06

in the case one of you uses bitcoinjs: https://gist.github.com/dcousens/7a54e59a98e445c5ec2f

16:06

lawl, wife has fallen asleep watching Numbers

16:06

*

fluffypony plans pranks

16:07

undies on head ?

16:07

forehead dick doh

16:07

hah hah

16:07

kakobrekla: ron is the only fiat atm

16:07

but you can withdar eur

16:07

yeah but im from somalia

16:07

and get soke bank conversion fees

16:07

can i register?

16:07

probably

16:07

somalia is best somalia

16:08

perhaps ill try

16:08

kakobrekla or you could register a ro corp like sane ppls.

16:08

what is it with you and corps, you speak of it like a hobby

16:09

it's a profession.

16:09

the profession is called "businessman"

16:09

switched back to pc

16:09

hey i never claimed to be one

16:10

anyway i dun think its opening of corps that makes you a biz man

16:10

kakobrekla: so RON/BTC is the only pair atm, with EUR,others to come soon while we still work some stuff out.

16:10

we have sepa so you can withdraw eur, with way bigger fees

16:10

same day delivery in romania though, so primary market

16:10

its just side effect, not a pleasant one

16:11

k Naphex .

16:11

http://mpex.co/ << everyone pls to notice the upcoming section.

16:11

MPIF ?

16:11

he puts jokes in that box

16:11

mpif.

16:11

this one is fo realz.

16:11

mircea popescovitch investment fund?

16:11

a real joke.

16:12

thestringpuller can i pay you to send davout a cookie ?

16:12

Naphex: what's your plan regarding financial regulation?

16:12

mircea_popescu: due today what time?

16:12

https://bitcoinaverage.com/markets.htm#RON woot :D

16:12

World Currency Markets | BitcoinAverage

16:12

first listing ;]

16:12

fluffypony today the 24th :D

16:12

oh lol

16:12

davout: i'm not the best to ask about financial stuff. but therese lawyers, and accountants and other people

16:12

mircea_popescu: send half a bitcoin, that'll do just fine

16:12

thank goodness, I'd like to sleep tonight

16:13

davout i had neh ?

16:13

davout: from the little i understand, its mostly sorted and all authorities consulted

16:13

oouf, you want THE OTHER HALF ?!

16:13

in usa, even the professionally sad can register a corp.

16:13

i mean another one :D

16:13

many do

16:13

mircea_popescu: already rated you for it! you get 4 nao

16:13

shit look at that.

16:13

nao kako ain't never gunna catch up.

16:14

Naphex: doesn't really look it

16:14

one day imma gonna link you to taht -pr post that sez its not all in the sum

16:14

davout: what do you mean?

16:14

'it's not the height of the tower, but the amount of power.'

16:15

BCB has > 1024 total holy shit.

16:15

!up thestringpuller

16:15

Voicing thestringpuller for 30 minutes.

16:15

i'm like #39 biggest number.

16:15

numerisTrade

mircea_popescu, you will not share any details before having them posted there, will you? :)

16:16

Naphex: i mean it's usually required from corps that handle fiat funds on behalf of third parties to be financially registered, which doesn't appear to be the case

16:16

numerisTrade

that is, regarding S.MPIF

16:16

numerisTrade ima make a trilema post first.

16:16

numerisTrade

gonna have to be patient, then

16:17

davout: not sure how to answer that, or if a financiall registration is required. but all is operating completly legally

16:17

by Romanian law

16:17

Naphex who;s the gc ?

16:18

gc?

16:18

general counsel

16:18

the head of the legal dept.

16:18

lawyer firm

16:18

lol, my first thought was 'garbage collector'

16:18

bucharest

16:18

asciilifeform get used to it, gc is what a cto of law is called.

16:19

Naphex that can't be a gc, it has to be a corp officer. he can hire whoever, but ultimately signs off on it.

16:19

mircea_popescu Naphex i'm afraid lawyers don't have a lot of clues when dealing with bitcoin, iirc gox had baker & mc kenzie

16:19

davout only after being raped by usg.

16:19

didn't prevent them from being buttraped on multiple legal accts

16:20

[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC

16:20

mircea_popescu: before as well iirc

16:20

and only because the two idiot investors who had enough sense that they shouldn't have been invested in the first place insisted.

16:20

which specifically excludes ver

16:20

well all is clear atm

16:20

and bank relations are great

16:21

and everyone can do whatever they do best

16:21

you still need a gc.

16:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00095588 = 14.9117 BTC [+]

16:23

or a gf

16:23

got a gf :]

16:23

Naphex: your banking relationship may be great, but as soon as you handle someone else's fiat by opening them an account, allowing them to cash in and out, you need a financial registration

16:23

davout: what kind of cookies you want?

16:23

TomServo: Problem resolved. Literally stepped on it.

16:23

so thats sorted

16:23

chocolate chip! cool.

16:23

thestringpuller: chocolate chip is cool

16:23

BingoBoingo: stepped on it with butt of mosin?

16:23

or bayonet

16:23

davout: there is no _need_ for it atm.

16:23

mircea_popescu: There's also a deadly form of porcine mega shits killing off the pork here

16:24

what financial registration are you reffering to? does one exist?;o

16:24

https://www.btcxchange.ro/about

16:24

btcXchange.ro - The first Bitcoin exchange in Romania

16:24

the firm is registerd, and registration printed

16:24

that's something different

16:24

look up the european payments service directive

16:24

don't do law:[

16:24

the easiest is a payments service provider license

16:25

sorry davout, can't answer much on that field.

16:26

Naphex: tbh i like that answer much better than "all is fine we don't need one" :-)

16:26

davout: thats as far as i know lol

16:27

also i'm paid to code the stuff up. and make sure it doesn't get owned.

16:28

Naphex well so pass teh issue along.

16:28

asciilifeform: Stepped on it with show. Also the mouse was actuall a mouse. Was skittering around the garage while I was trying to IRC and smoke cigarettes in it.

16:28

how big's your team ?

16:28

mircea_popescu: i will tomorrow :P

16:28

davout: 6

16:28

that's good

16:28

with more but on different projects

16:29

there'se 3 more working on a bitcoin atm

16:29

benkay: i'm offering some s.nsa shares at bargain ( 0.00029 )

16:29

do a simple test, ask the legal person, or whatever lawyer you have the following question : "do we need some sort of financial license to do what we do?"

16:29

that ask won't stay long there

16:29

!l mpex s.nsa

16:29

Last trade for S.NSA on MPEX was at 0.00016371 BTC [+]

16:29

if the answer is something along the lines of "no, because bitcoin isn't regulated", then you should run awat

16:29

if you feel like investing

16:29

!t m s.nsa

16:29

[MPEX:S.NSA] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.000146 / 0.00016372 / 0.00018 (27190 shares, 4.45 BTC), 30D: 0.000146 / 0.0001634 / 0.00018 (28341 shares, 4.63 BTC)

16:29

s/awat/away/

16:29

davout: that question i've asked. and thats the answer I received. That by Romanian law everything required we have to operate.

16:30

now don't know the specifics. but i will foward the european payment systems thingie, and see what answer comes

16:30

Naphex: basically, the idea is that bitcoin isn't the issue,

16:30

no fiat withdrawals/deposits

16:30

how is that a bargain at all, jurov ?!

16:30

you could trade potatoes it wouldn't make anything different

16:30

"no fiat withdrawals/deposits" << what?

16:31

are the issue

16:31

:P

16:31

the issue is on the fiat side

16:31

yeah

16:31

bankay they're worth much more

16:31

dude

16:31

!l mpex s.nsa

16:31

Last trade for S.NSA on MPEX was at 0.00016371 BTC [+]

16:31

once the word goes out

16:31

hm, that is not right.

16:32

Naphex: allrighty, have fun looking it all up :D

16:32

assbot should be better at that than anyone.

16:32

!depth m s.nsa

16:32

!l mpex s.nsa

16:32

Last trade for S.NSA on MPEX was at 0.00016371 BTC [+]

16:32

http://abstrusegoose.com/strips/we_are_the_internet_resistance_is_futile.png

16:33

assbot got no depth

16:33

i think it uses the average

16:33

mike_c jurov don't panic, it's actually mpex that's all upside down, assbot is fine

16:33

XD

16:33

actual last trade was X, but actual last trade AS REPORTED by assbot is y

16:33

once the word goes out << i'ma confused one here.

16:33

fluffypony: LOL

16:33

must be teh jetlag

16:34

assbot:

16:34

[MPEX] [S.NSA] 27190 @ 0.00016371 = 4.4513 BTC [+] {4}

16:34

like so

16:34

asciilifeform: i think nobody knows yet about cardano outside of our little circle

16:34

not like it's secret.

16:35

i dun see any luddite journo interns asking about it

16:35

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=581679.0 <- new scamcoin called GuarantCoin, "100% backed by physical gold, every single coin has certain value in gold and can be exchanged for gold anytime"

16:35

[ANN][GTC] GUARANTCOIN

16:36

satan preserve me from the journo interns.

16:36

my favourite line in it: "This ensures lowest value of the coin, the exchange price will be different, most likely higher"

16:36

right, hire satan as PR

16:36

if mp can have pet manticore, why not?

16:36

BingoBoingo you happen to have a loglink to where i propositioned you to do atc investment for me ?

16:36

i'm pretty certain the buggers will come straight to my door, come the hour.

16:36

mircea_popescu: Not offhand

16:37

recall date ?

16:37

It was pretty soon after I took herbi's ATC and BTC

16:37

yo umean before ?

16:37

Yeah, Oh February 16th-ish is when it started

16:38

manticore?! i must still be on the german submarine

16:39

hehe, guarantcoin comment: "Looks good; Nice logo as well."

16:39

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2014#504761

16:39

there's that on 15th

16:39

#bitcoin-assets log

16:40

#bitcoin-assets secrets

16:42

Oh

16:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.0009547 = 28.8319 BTC [-]

16:43

;;google "the Bitcoin Manticore"

16:43

Ca tot… sa tras tot sa fumat tot sa baut tot cum e peste tot ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2014/ca-tot-s-a-tras-tot-s-a-fumat-tot-s-a-baut-tot-cum-e-peste-tot-la-fel-ca-peste-tot/>; Clif High Wujo Feb.14. 2014 - Bitcoin, Mt Gox, bankers - Part 1 ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGEWvuhkEl8>; Video: Roundup of This Week's Bitcoin News 14th March 2014 ...: (1 more message)

16:44

lol that's the one with me making faces, isn't it

16:44

mike_c: the comments are a cesspool of stupidity..."Wow! Finally coin with the future!"

16:44

well, most of them are socks. but yes, very amusing.

16:52

http://trilema.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/

16:52

The wunderbar S.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

16:53

neato

16:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.0009543 = 20.7083 BTC [-] {2}

16:57

!up phish

16:57

Voicing phish for 30 minutes.

17:00

I wonder who all is getting tapped for S.MPIF

17:00

well you're one.

17:01

Of course.

17:01

The hangover suggested it would be a good idea

17:06

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0683931 = 0.342 BTC [+]

17:07

BingoBoingo: don't forget to hydrate

17:07

fluffypony: The hangover's over

17:08

good to hear :)

17:08

I wouldn't be where I am today without the ability to swiftly dispatch a hangover

17:08

;;ident kakobrekla

17:08

Nick 'kakobrekla', with hostmask 'kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla', is identified as user 'kakobrekla', with GPG key id 27AF75321F2489E8, key fingerprint 27C3CE9A20851312F086268C27AF75321F2489E8, and bitcoin address None

17:10

BingoBoingo: likewise...I just find myself way too unproductive for the first ~4 hours after waking up if I'm hanging like a little bitch

17:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00095197 = 30.8438 BTC [-] {3}

17:21

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 90 @ 0.0618981 = 5.5708 BTC [-] {9}

17:22

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0678 = 0.339 BTC [+]

17:22

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 78 @ 0.00482011 = 0.376 BTC [+]

17:23

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00518408 = 0.1244 BTC [+] {2}

17:26

http://pandodaily.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/singersm1.jpg << fiattalks.org butthurt

17:28

gn o/

17:28

mircea_popescu: Still no reply from srgexpert

17:28

whossat again ?

17:30

http://trilema.com/2012/the-patrick-harnett-saga-continues/

17:30

The Patrick Harnett saga continues pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

17:31

?

17:37

ah

17:38

http://pando.com/2014/04/23/startups-anonymous-things-founders-say-to-investors-that-are-complete-bs/

17:38

Startups Anonymous: Things founders say to investors that are complete BS | PandoDaily

17:43

“My cofounder turned down a job at Google to focus on our company.” Translation: He applied for an internship a while back and it fell through.

17:43

can we file that with the "world class mathematicians" involved in every cryptocurrency-related project?

17:46

im looking for the world class submarines.

17:46

> typhoon class.

17:46

lol

17:46

lol

17:47

miningboot?

17:48

miningboot!

17:48

i could easily live in one, and not notice.

17:50

asciilifeform are you this Arlyn Culwick fellow and trolling me ?

17:53

mircea_popescu: plz sort creditsout noa

17:54

*credits out

17:55

you more or less missed a chance to snag a few subs for essentially free down in the crimea

17:56

asciilifeform: https://scontent-b-mxp.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/10169256_799974603356886_8876868538876731843_n.jpg

17:56

I'd buy into that.

17:57

flushed.

17:57

thank you kindly

17:58

lol

17:58

nice pic

17:59

so do they fight the impedance or what ?

17:59

hah hah

18:02

fighting the current, technically

18:03

dissipating the power

18:04

as soon as the current starts to change, parasite reactances appear

18:05

lol

18:07

so what is the resistance and what the impedance of... the local beach?

18:15

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31262 @ 0.00095093 = 29.728 BTC [-]

18:22

khersonus http://blog.khersonus.com/2014/time-value-of-money/ not bad.

18:25

benkay http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/16_erc-wot-integration-such-gift.html can you explain this to me ?

18:27

you need to speka lisp-a to understand-a

18:27

aokl

18:27

!up davide

18:27

Voicing davide for 30 minutes.

18:27

"Additionally, algorithms from the NSA are considered a sort of alien technology: they come from a superior race with no explanations."

18:28

gotta love how schneier sticks these psy-ops little turds in everything he writes.

18:28

though the real question is, is that a /signed/ tag?

18:28

yo, bruce, wakeup call : the nsa is about as fucktartded as you are. srsly.

18:29

actually, no. they employ a fsckton of mathematicians and they know everything that's in the open plus an unspecified amount we don't know about. best guess (last I heard) was that they're about five years ahead of the open community with the research

18:30

bounce nonsense.

18:30

you can see how that works in, say, DES, where the NSA suggested stuff that turned out to be resistant to a type of attack not known publically at the time DES was finalised

18:30

if spending money solved problems the phoenician empire'd still be a thing.

18:31

nobody is denying a lot of smart people work for the nsa.

18:31

heck, a lot of smart people worked for microsoft, and alcatel, and whatever other pointless dinosaur. adobe.

18:31

that does not make ADOBE smart. at all.

18:32

for all the brilliant russians living in the 70s, the ussr was dumb as rocks.

18:32

yeah, but we're not talking NSA as a whole. we're talking the stuff that comes out of there in the form of algorithms

18:33

it's not clear why this reclassification'd be useful to your position.

18:33

"best guess (last I heard) was that they're about five years ahead of the open community with the research" that may have been accurate a few years ago

18:33

i don't believe it's the case nowadays

18:33

Apocalyptic it was perhaps accurate in the 90s.

18:33

sounds reasonable

18:33

as the things stand right now, they never had an internal bitcoin,

18:33

and we wiped their heartbleed.

18:33

and while we know what they don't know, they don't know what we know.

18:34

which... you know.

18:34

a possible explanation may be that cryptography as a field wasn't that broad in academia back then

18:35

still, they know what we know plus a bunch we don't know much about. we don't know how big it is, we don't know what it does. for that reason you have to be careful with their "gifts". that's the point he's making.

18:36

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1927 @ 0.0001357 = 0.2615 BTC [+] {3}

18:36

bed time, bye

18:36

good night

18:37

<bounce> still, they know what we know plus a bunch << this is strictly false.

18:38

show how.

18:38

because you imagine perfect knowledge ("everyone publishes everything they know and everyone reads it all") to get your result

18:38

this is not at all how teh community works.

18:39

anyway. i know what he's pretending he's trying to say, but that ain't at all what he;s saying. what he's saying is "resistence is futile", that's the message, and it's a ridiculous.

18:39

that's not how I read it

18:40

now without offense, let me just propose to you as a theory that it's possible you'd not know how you read it. in the same sense advertising works.

18:40

wouldn't surprise me if the NSA has everyone with a little crypto knowledge on watchlists just to see the privately-circulating papers

18:41

sure.

18:43

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00509 = 0.2291 BTC [-]

18:46

I think you're reaching with that line of reasoning. I know how I read it and I disagree with how you read it. I will allow that a-priori notions on either side (or both) might have something to do with the interpretation.

18:46

well that's as far as it can possibly go huh

18:46

you might ask him which he ment, and why. :-)

18:47

i might as well ask obama if he really meant i can keep my insurance.

18:48

c'mon, cook up a nice 20 questions to finnagle the truth out of oracle schneier

18:48

he'd be insulted

18:49

and you care about that, how? o_O?

18:49

that's the trick with "being insulted" : it affords plausible deniability to they who don't want to have the truth extracted.

18:49

well i don't care, but he'd stop answering.

18:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37550 @ 0.00095066 = 35.6973 BTC [-] {3}

18:51

anyway, re your "you're reaching" comment, i told a story at teh conference that should prolly be on the record.

18:51

so, as kids, one party game was to whistle into an old, low baud modem. they were slow enough that it was still sort-of feasible. the game was, who gets the modem going for longer thinking it's got a sane modem on the other end

18:52

(trivial to observe when it noticed you're human because of the very distinctive "error pls to start over" tone"

18:52

i believe that's really the model for all communication.

18:54

doing a little survey among cryptographers of name with how and at what size they assess the NSA's knowledge advandage, if any, might be interesting. doing it every couple years maybe even moreso.

18:55

I don't think all communication is quite that lopsided, to be honest.

18:56

ils ne se servent de la pensée que pour autoriser leurs injustices, et emploient les paroles que pour déguiser leurs pensées

18:56

bounce how do you mean lopsided ?

18:56

then again, much of it isn't quite so very good either.

18:57

what i meant was strictly this, that your particular response matched what i may have accepted as proof that you indeed may know how you read it.

18:59

possibly. :-)

19:01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00095123 = 27.3003 BTC [+] {2}

19:02

lopsided isn't really the word. somehow a better word eludes me for the moment.

19:04

"Error getting file: -1: Unspecified error"

19:05

for the love of the error god ;/

19:07

context? wild guess says using fn return instead of errno like it should've been used

19:07

old proprietary camera.

19:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00095161 = 10.8484 BTC [+]

19:10

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.512 = 1.024 BTC [-] {2}

19:17

mircea_popescu: Culwick wtf what?

19:17

this dude arguing metaphysics with me

19:18

nein, i'm still trying to wake up from me beautiful dreamz.

19:19

'Had it been a dream? It was still worth it! ... Now he had to think about his own survival. With the aid of his wrist geiger he found a deactivated lane through the rubble. Hed better get back to the shelter before dark, before the rats came out. If he didnt hurry hed miss the evening potato ration.'

19:20

(robert sheckley's 'store of the worlds' - www.e-reading.ws/txt.php/1000018/Sheckley_-_The_Store_Of_The_Worlds.txt)

19:23

re: nsa crypto:

19:23

http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323

19:23

Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name.

19:23

(musings on the 'smart nsa' hypothesis, i know)

19:23

exercise in 'intelligence with open sources'

19:25

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51999999 BTC [+]

19:25

more seriously, virtually nothing re: cryptology from the era preceding modern computing is worth terribly much.

19:25

so on the very good news front, i've already lined up 4 managers for s.mpif, whole shebang nominally worth a little north of 170 btc atm.

19:27

the americans really fucked themselves. 'why bother being strong, let's make everyone weak.' they somehow kept most of the planet using rotor (!) crypto machines through the '70s!

19:27

;;google CryptoAG

19:27

Crypto AG - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG>; Schneier on Security: NSA Backdoors in Crypto AG Ciphering ...: <https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/01/nsa_backdoors_i.html>; Crypto AG: <http://www.crypto.ch/>

19:28

asciilifeform funny you should mention crypto ag

19:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15625 @ 0.00095284 = 14.8881 BTC [+]

19:28

because...well... they use the mpex shareholding model.

19:28

apparently this is possible in fiat just fine. whodda thunk it.

19:28

phun phact. cryptoag still exists! and used by diplomats, etc. how to explain? only theory i can think of is that folks deliberately buy into the crapola - as a gesture of doggy submission to usa

19:29

this is possible in fiat just fine << various 'impossibles' are quite possible when they must.

19:29

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06792804 = 0.4755 BTC [+] {3}

19:30

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06869835 = 0.5496 BTC [+] {2}

19:30

right. what's "impossible" is just admitting mp has the power to make the impossible quite possible.

19:30

mircea_popescu: will piffy managers and projects be announced?

19:30

mike_c of course.

19:31

prolly tomorrow, actually.

19:31

follow up question: is BingoBoingo all 4 managers? ;)

19:31

nope. just 1.

19:31

the power to make the impossible quite possible << Führerprinzip, the elixir of shit getting done.

19:33

mike_c actually i'll bet you a certain pizza you won't be able to guess all 4.

19:33

hmm

19:33

you get a list as long as you wish, provided you publish it by tomorrow.

19:34

i hate to turn down action, but feels like a tough wager. there are a lot of people i don't know.

19:34

im known for my tough wagers and an almost fanatical devotion to the poke.

19:37

;;rated mike_c

19:37

You rated user mike_c on Tue Mar 25 20:15:55 2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: blogger, dev.

19:37

soooo... should i stay up to add S.MPIF to coinbr or it can wait?

19:37

jurov can wait, the contract'll be up at a sane time, but in a few days.

19:37

and trading will open after anyway

19:37

gut

19:38

I'm kind of curious what other markets S.MPIF is going to venture into

19:38

i'll bet you you won't be able to guess all 4.

19:38

same deal.

19:39

smpif sounds neat but too big for me puny brain.

19:39

asciilifeform actually it's devilishly simple. you'll see after a few monthly reports.

19:40

arbitrobots?

19:40

nop.

19:40

no robots. unlike the alex chick i'm an ACTUAL luddite. i use people.

19:40

buying houses in ohio?

19:40

nop.

19:40

mike_c in argentina

19:40

asciilifeform: I prefer meat bot to describe my role in this

19:41

no, there's no real estate at all.

19:41

lol. argentina house flipping!

19:41

this makes it fair for BingoBoingo, seeing how mike_c also knew 1.

19:41

BingoBoingo: no shame in this. atm i'm doing things chinese robogirls won't do

19:41

^

19:41

*

mircea_popescu is known for turning people into robots.

19:41

sieg hail.

19:42

also, http://oglaf.com/porkchisel/

19:42

'i am bender, please insert girder.' ('futurama')

19:47

shame that arbitrobots appear to be a dead field. the modus operandi of mine, for instance, was to root out and autorape other bots.

19:47

lol

19:47

never bothered to make it airworthy, though, so it's a boring tale.

19:47

it was, at one point (laugh, sure) intended to play on... gox.

19:48

i lost interest in the project >1yr ago, when i realized that i won't be selling so much as 1 btc while i live here.

19:49

amen

19:49

not a bad policy.

19:50

people still say 'martian'

19:52

glad the chicoms happily take bezollars. (for now.)

19:53

or i'd have to etch boards again, like when student.

19:53

(and eat wildlife)

19:59

local companies?

19:59

Much of the best food is wildlife

19:59

i have two low-mid series pcb manufacturers in 5km radius

19:59

sooo!

20:00

this is the highest linecount since forever

20:01

2.) fluffypony 1247 3.) assbot 1211 << africans and their long peens.

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Imma have to guess the S.MPIF markets are BTC/USD, BTC/Typhoon submarines, BTC/Uranium, and BTC/Human Souls

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http://imgur.com/UvspIIq,CqpmXCx,p2ExGTe,qAcmmpX,SJ3lCpM,avlxgmG,dr2NHfE,3yeBuFm

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imgur: the simple image sharer

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hm, there has got to be an arbitrage loop on btc/usd/human souls

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Humanity was almost extinguished, their spirits becoming part of the background radiation that blanketed the earth.

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http://www.youtube.com/embed/pXMnRaSkkp4

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Fallout 2 Intro (1998) - YouTube

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'the man who loved the faioli' !

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http://www.lib.ru/ZELQZNY/TheManWhoLovedTheFaioli.txt

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(or maybe not. but i was damn sure that was in there)

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"From 1985 to 1989 Williamson worked at Nicolet Instruments in Madison, Wisconsin where he was the primary author on two digital hearing aid patents."

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/74896762@N00/3167352760/

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amniotic sac | Flickr - Photo Sharing

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earlier link was steam plant in Timis.

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Ah, cool

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0400 hour, monday

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hieronymous bosch apparently lives there.

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Amazing how in the US Steam plants are generally just a University thing and yet every on campus steam plant I've seen has been as boring as shit.

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on account of boschlessness.

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re: Faioli << recommended to all aficionados of pet manticores.

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http://imgur.com/KSmZQ69

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imgur: the simple image sharer

20:19

^ sherlock holmes.

20:19

lysergic precursors are strictly controlled, whaddaya expect?

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let them control carbon.

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http://imgur.com/SLpTRCm

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imgur: the simple image sharer

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^ femei

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(clicked? admit, lustful buggers)

20:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5425 @ 0.00095286 = 5.1693 BTC [+] {2}

20:23

well i hadn't, but if you insist

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lol

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lol

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was that the abandoned urinal ?

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menstrual.

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here's the story of the blessings of lobbyism

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romania had, in all cities, proper urinals built all over town. the whole shebang, with running water.

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dumbass firm started importing the 2mc bullshits, with chemical "processing"

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and got kickback-based contracts to "supply" the city.

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as a result, all the proper urinals are nao destroyed.

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ugh

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because well.... they can't compete, because they solve a problem rather than grooming it with dysfunctional non-solutions, and so have nothing to kick back.

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classic

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http://imgur.com/RL9x21p

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imgur: the simple image sharer

20:25

^ femei, for real

20:25

now... explain to me again how teh nsa is 5 years ahead of my penis.

20:26

to further our discussion of economies: http://falkenblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/batesian-mimicry-explanation-of.html

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o looky

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davout asciilifeform

20:26

http://flappy2048.com

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also mike_c and whoever else

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fuck, there goes my evening.

20:27

defunct ?

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works here

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ehehe, flash

20:29

"In an expansion investors are constantly looking for better places to invest their capital, while entrepreneurs are always overconfident, hoping to get capital to fund their restless ambition. Sometimes, the investors (dupes) think a certain set of key characteristics are sufficient statistics of a quality investment because historically they were. Mimic entrepreneurs seize upon these key characteristics that will all

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ow them to garner funds from the duped investors. "

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Once the number of mimics is sufficiently high, their valueless enterprises become too conspicuous and they no longer pass off as legitimate investments.

20:29

benkay a good theory which requires dupes to have a functioning ganglion.

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(quotes, etc)

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they... don't, mostly.

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http://imgur.com/VZ8jZkP

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imgur: the simple image sharer

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no but they have shitloads of cash

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^ statute to the unknown lamer

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*statue

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Your browser is not compatible with this site. Sorry :( << kakobrekla wtf bs!

20:30

anyway it involved different kind of brain power than the 2048

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much less actual thinking

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mp you know just scammin around

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anyway i just thought it was rele-tarded enough to post.

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"AllAdvantage was a website that paid members to surf the Net. It paid to acquire these users, and supposedly leveraged its members eyeballs into advertizing dollars. At the initial fundraiser internet capitalist Frank Quattrone, who helped fund Cisco and many other legitimate successful concerns, and President Clinton both paid tribute to AllAdvantage"

20:32

muy true

20:32

i wish the falk joined hiar.

20:32

"For example, subsequent to the 1990 Commercial Real Estate debacle, defaults in this asset class were well below average across the board for the subsequent decade. In the aftermath of that crisis, newly issued Commercial Real Estate Asset Backed securities did very well, because everyone was especially cognizant of the risk factors involved. A similar thing happened in railroads after the Penn Central railroad defaulted in the early

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1970s. Fooled once, investors were not fooled again in that specific way, making the key risky asset characteristic of the latest recession a metric of safety going forward."

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http://imgur.com/32Hn20X

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imgur: the simple image sharer

20:32

^ this is posted for a reason

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if only the forum knew its own history.

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and not simply because this toilet is bigger than my living room

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sadly blog is pretty much abandoned

20:33

me grandpa (physicist) first encountered a bidet in vienna

↖ ↖ ↖

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in '45.

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he went 'fuck, this place has 2 shitters'

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lol

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and of course deposited in the smaller one

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bidets are great. can't keep young women w/o em

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commander made him clean it out. with matchsticks.

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i've never seen one in person previously.

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but at least i knew grandfather's fate.

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but see, suppose you wanna eat her out. what do you do ? full shower ? sink acrobatics ?

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lolmatic

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plenty of material left.

20:36

we all wanna have 'timisoara problems'

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vs. finding a deactivated path through the rubble with wrist geiger...

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(other grandpa, field hospital, not sure he ever saw bidet until died)

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https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7083969/1/The-Vienna-Offensive

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The Vienna Offensive, a hetalia - axis powers fanfic | FanFiction

20:44

^ this exists.

20:46

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00095034 = 3.9914 BTC [-]

20:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7225 @ 0.00095192 = 6.8776 BTC [+]

20:54

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.06869835 = 0.8931 BTC [+]

20:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00095226 = 7.7133 BTC [+] {2}

21:03

http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/04/rip-mike-ruppert.html

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ClubOrlov: RIP Mike Ruppert

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^ one of the original collapse blog folks took the Colt-45 Retirement Plan.

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(here in usa, the Colt Pension, Life & Health Insurance Co. is doing brisk business.)

21:05

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00095588 = 12.1875 BTC [+]

21:06

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51029099 = 1.0206 BTC [-] {2}

21:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6975 @ 0.00095496 = 6.6608 BTC [-]

21:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00095481 = 10.5984 BTC [-] {2}

~ 19 minutes ~

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forum investors: http://i.imgur.com/BGEedbu.gif

21:45

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00095588 = 11.2794 BTC [+]

21:57

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [-]

21:57

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.032 = 0.16 BTC [-]

21:58

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]

21:59

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [-]

21:59

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.031998 = 0.16 BTC [-] {2}

22:00

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.0742218 = 0.4453 BTC [-]

22:01

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.04185166 = 0.2511 BTC [-] {6}

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03199 = 0.16 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]

22:16

anyone from bitcoindoc.com here?

22:24

higher numbers of crackers

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haha kako

~ 15 minutes ~

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<+mircea_popescu> i'll bet you you won't be able to guess all 4. // i likes me a challenge

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bingo, davout, uhhh i'm drunk

22:42

pankakke, apocalyptic

22:43

switch apoc for jurov

↖

22:44

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51990652 = 1.0398 BTC [+] {2}

22:45

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0048 = 0.144 BTC [-]

22:45

i will take my prize in atc

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thanks

22:46

appl doing a 7-1 stock split? unexpected!

22:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4241 @ 0.00095552 = 4.0524 BTC [-]

~ 15 minutes ~

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8458 @ 0.00095445 = 8.0727 BTC [-] {2}

23:10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=000al7ru3ms

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so many logs, so many logs, so many logs, hey hey hey

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oooo mpif...

23:26

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8040 @ 0.00095507 = 7.6788 BTC [+]

23:27

[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC

23:28

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.07499998 = 0.15 BTC [-]

23:33

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3819 @ 0.00095507 = 3.6474 BTC [+]

23:38

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00095546 = 1.481 BTC [+]

23:43

http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/04/23/us-apple-dow-index-idINKBN0D91AJ20140423 <<AAPL 7:1 split, dividend bump, 50% bigger buyback... and i sold 'em all a year ago to the day

23:43

Apple slice: Share split makes joining the Dow more likely

23:44

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8524 @ 0.00095363 = 8.1287 BTC [-] {3}

23:49

shoulda noticed ThickAsThieves...

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.d

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6.979 billion | Next Diff in 956 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.3790% in 5d 16h 22m 14s

23:56

;;later tell kakobrekla thanks for the link and the lmao forum investors gif!

23:56

The operation succeeded.

23:57

the lesson with the stocks is

23:57

every price comes twice

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tech stocks*

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i learned this the hard way with netflix

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glad i held my appl

23:58

sold my goog at peak

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