00:00 |
artifexd |
I am unfamiliar with crazymeds.us. I shall investigate it. |
00:00 |
joecool |
i found out about it in high school, was considering asking doctor about it, ultimately decided to avoid because of it's effects on histamine (do you like rashes?) |
00:01 |
joecool |
ultimately most of my problems were solved by a better diet |
00:01 |
BingoBoingo |
artifexd: It is actually a decent reference work. Was endorsed by actual faculty to my pharm students |
00:01 |
artifexd |
Seems limited in what it covers |
00:03 |
BingoBoingo |
artifexd: Limited vs. Targeted is a difficult distinction |
00:03 |
joecool |
anyways, gotta sleep, headin back to freedomland tomorrow |
00:03 |
artifexd |
True. examine.com doesn't have adderall or prozac. |
00:04 |
cazalla |
nutmeg and banana skins, thank me later |
00:04 |
artifexd |
examine.com for supplements. crazymeds.us for medicines. |
00:04 |
BingoBoingo |
;;google site:examine.com lamotrigine |
00:04 |
gribble |
Inositol - Scientific Review on Usage, Dosage, Side Effects ...: <http://examine.com/supplements/Inositol/>; Agmatine - Scientific Review on Usage, Dosage, Side Effects ...: <http://examine.com/supplements/Agmatine/>; Vinpocetine - Scientific Review on Usage, Dosage, Side Effects ...: <http://examine.com/supplements/Vinpocetine/> |
00:05 |
BingoBoingo |
Supplements are just medicines that fail |
00:05 |
artifexd |
That is simply not true |
00:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9469 @ 0.00095849 = 9.0759 BTC [+] |
00:06 |
artifexd |
Creatine is a supplement. It is quite successful at what it does. |
00:08 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.031 = 0.279 BTC [-] {2} |
00:08 |
BingoBoingo |
Creatine as a supplement is rate limited though to ineffectiveness in many processes |
00:09 |
artifexd |
Ineffectiveness in what? Via what processes? |
00:09 |
cazalla |
didn't they ban that due to kids going on creatine rages |
00:10 |
artifexd |
lol |
00:10 |
artifexd |
no |
00:10 |
cazalla |
misc says it's a steroid |
00:11 |
artifexd |
http://examine.com/faq/is-creatine-a-steroid.html |
00:11 |
ozbot |
Is creatine a steroid? | Examine.com FAQ |
00:11 |
cazalla |
i'm joking artifexd, creatine rage is an old joke from buildingbuiding.com forums |
00:11 |
BingoBoingo |
artifexd: Mostly the liver and limits on precessing rooted in ancient human metabolism. |
00:12 |
BingoBoingo |
Excess creatine is largely handled by the body's workings as a disease state. |
00:13 |
BingoBoingo |
Choline... That on the other hand the body treats in excess as a blessing because you made a snapping turtle's nest your bitch |
00:13 |
artifexd |
So your saying that consuming 1kg of creatine won't provide 100 times the benefit of consuming 10g? Ok. I'll buy that. But that doesn't make taking 10g ineffective. |
00:13 |
cazalla |
I had a GP tell me to stop using it after bloodwork showed high levels of creatinine in bloodwork, told me to stop lifting as well, didn't go back to that doctor |
00:14 |
artifexd |
For the record, I'm not a creatine disciple. It is just an example. |
00:14 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, excess is relative to a point. The body is actually good at generating its own creatine, even while relatively malnourished in a few different ways |
00:15 |
BingoBoingo |
The Japs taught us that in the 1940's |
00:16 |
cazalla |
from memory, only benefit from creatine was that i held more water which made me appear bigger |
00:16 |
BingoBoingo |
That is an effect of excess creatine |
00:16 |
BingoBoingo |
Mostly safe excess, but still |
00:17 |
BingoBoingo |
!up benkay |
00:17 |
assbot |
Voicing benkay for 30 minutes. |
00:18 |
BingoBoingo |
Is anyone online now familiar with Amphoterrible B? |
00:19 |
benkay |
thanks for the continuing voice y'all |
00:19 |
benkay |
i am now officially curious how long i can go without auth and upping |
00:19 |
BingoBoingo |
benkay: Welcome |
00:19 |
benkay |
(as to how long...) |
00:19 |
BingoBoingo |
benkay Not too long if you don't say the two magic assets words. |
00:20 |
BingoBoingo |
Fuck it the three words nao |
00:20 |
benkay |
i give up what are you on about |
00:21 |
BingoBoingo |
benkay: Two words: cunt and nigger, third word is kike |
00:21 |
artifexd |
Holy crap. It is taking forever to get through today's logs. It looks like today is trying to make up for a quiet weekend. |
00:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.0009513 = 24.9241 BTC [-] {2} |
00:22 |
BingoBoingo |
artifexd cazalla: Since you seem most interested dangerous excesses of creatine resemble the effects of amphteracin B |
00:22 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Hghh |
00:22 |
assbot |
Voicing Hghh for 30 minutes. |
00:22 |
artifexd |
And dangerous exesses of water resemble death. |
00:23 |
BingoBoingo |
It shreds the most useful and beutiful of the kidney's filtering membranes |
00:23 |
BingoBoingo |
artifexd: Cause death. |
00:23 |
BingoBoingo |
Excess water actually on its own can cause death |
00:24 |
cazalla |
i don't think my levels were too excessive, from memory they were in the hundreds, GP said it would be a concern if it were in the thousands, average being double digits or something, this is a decade ago, i've long ago become lazy and chubby as a result |
00:25 |
artifexd |
The point being that saying something is dangerous simply because too much of it is dangerous is incorrect at best and deceitful at worst. |
00:25 |
BingoBoingo |
Of course, now we get to learning. |
00:25 |
artifexd |
Or were you not saying creatine is dangerous and I just misinterpreted? |
00:26 |
BingoBoingo |
It isn't simply that too much is dangerous. It is HOW too much is dangerous. |
00:26 |
cazalla |
oh i wouldn't know one way or the other, i was just a sucker for the marketing |
00:27 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, this is how learning happens, by knowing how both the excess an insufficiancy are dangerous and spotting a useful mean. |
00:29 |
BingoBoingo |
I think I've covered excess creatine shreds simple yet beautiful membranes in the kidneys, what does a lack of such cause? |
00:29 |
artifexd |
Stupidity? |
00:30 |
artifexd |
Crude way to say it, but basically brain damage. Right? |
00:31 |
BingoBoingo |
artifexd: Stop going up layers of abstraction and try going down. Think things with less mass than creatine? |
00:32 |
BingoBoingo |
Fuck, is drunk BingoBoingo teaches physiology going to have to be a thing? |
00:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13831 @ 0.00095177 = 13.1639 BTC [+] |
00:32 |
artifexd |
Medicine/biology are far from my strong points. Even if I got the words right, I likely wouldn't understand them. |
00:33 |
BingoBoingo |
artifexd: Sodium, Potasium, Calcium. Why did I present them in THAT order? |
00:34 |
artifexd |
My first interpretation is Salt and Bones. |
00:34 |
BingoBoingo |
So, any eastern bloc people up? I gots a question. |
00:36 |
BingoBoingo |
Let us spz I have "mice" in my garage. Which SKS variant would require the least fussing as I eliminate the "mice".... Or should I just cheap it out on a Mosin? |
00:37 |
artifexd |
Calcium is an electrolyte? |
00:38 |
artifexd |
Huh |
00:38 |
BingoBoingo |
artifexd: One of the three most important ones. I mean you like self locomotion right? |
00:39 |
artifexd |
It beats being carted around in a shopping cart. |
00:40 |
BingoBoingo |
Sure. |
00:40 |
artifexd |
I always thought of calcium as "that of which bones are made", not as "that which promotes the making of bones" |
00:40 |
BingoBoingo |
Any closer to guessing my secret sauce? |
00:40 |
BingoBoingo |
Nah, bones are the most boring thing calcium does, and most of that is crbon nanotubes anyways |
00:41 |
artifexd |
I didn't know I was looking for a secret sauce. I'm still catching up on logs. |
00:41 |
artifexd |
What does your secret sauce do (at a high abstraction level)? |
00:42 |
artifexd |
Faster, better, stronger, smarter? |
00:42 |
BingoBoingo |
artifexd: It just tweeks some electrlytes. |
00:42 |
artifexd |
To what effect? |
00:42 |
BingoBoingo |
Haven't actually been on it since 2012 which was my lastest functional peak. |
00:43 |
BingoBoingo |
Legends were made that year though. |
00:43 |
BingoBoingo |
(There is an efficient substitute for it though) |
00:43 |
artifexd |
I feel similarly about modafinil. Shit made me productive for many more hours of the day than I am now. |
00:44 |
BingoBoingo |
Fuck, I've actually mentioned it by name already |
00:44 |
artifexd |
Sodium? |
00:44 |
artifexd |
lol |
00:44 |
BingoBoingo |
What have I mentioned tha tnoobs can't find reason t belong? |
00:44 |
artifexd |
That certainly narrows the search space. |
00:44 |
BingoBoingo |
I really should |
00:44 |
BingoBoingo |
Say it does |
00:45 |
BingoBoingo |
To n=1 |
00:45 |
artifexd |
The antifungal stuff? |
00:45 |
BingoBoingo |
No, looking too far back |
00:45 |
BingoBoingo |
That just keeps my nutsack from being a jungle mess like Diablo-D3's |
00:45 |
BingoBoingo |
Because meat power has its limits |
00:46 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Diablo-D3 |
00:46 |
assbot |
Voicing Diablo-D3 for 30 minutes. |
00:46 |
BingoBoingo |
Diablo-D3: How's the Rift Valley? |
00:46 |
BingoBoingo |
Nigger |
00:46 |
BingoBoingo |
!down Diablo-D3 |
00:47 |
artifexd |
The only things you've named since you brought up amphteracin B are weapons and electrolytes. |
00:48 |
BingoBoingo |
artifexd: I am pretty sure I named Lamotrigine |
00:48 |
BingoBoingo |
!up benkay |
00:48 |
assbot |
Voicing benkay for 30 minutes. |
00:49 |
artifexd |
You did. To gribble. |
00:49 |
artifexd |
I shoulda caught that. |
00:49 |
BingoBoingo |
Anything to gribble is public with right commands |
00:50 |
BingoBoingo |
Much like Fairbain's knife is right into the proper ribs |
00:51 |
artifexd |
Reading the wikipedia article on Lamotrigine doesn't give me any reason to see it as useful for a normally functioning brain. |
00:52 |
BingoBoingo |
artifexd: Is that a problem with wikipedia or with a popular definition of normally functioning brain |
00:53 |
BingoBoingo |
How soon has wikipedia deleted each MP article |
00:54 |
artifexd |
Then I shall hop over to crazymeds page. |
00:54 |
BingoBoingo |
Let's narrow it. Yugo, Romanian or Russian? Which SKS handles "mice" best |
00:55 |
BingoBoingo |
artifexd: Actually even that won't offer quite a complete picture of the chemical |
00:55 |
BingoBoingo |
Or eastern bloc people is a $50 mosin enough for "mice" |
00:56 |
artifexd |
The freaky side effects are hilarious |
00:56 |
BingoBoingo |
Or terrifying |
00:56 |
artifexd |
The OCD side-effect could be useful. |
00:56 |
BingoBoingo |
Especially in Bitcoin |
00:56 |
BingoBoingo |
If you could recognize an adversary using it |
00:57 |
BingoBoingo |
as their own shtick or a schtick they milk |
00:57 |
artifexd |
I am not clinically ocd but I have ocd tendencies and I consider them one of my strengths. |
00:57 |
BingoBoingo |
artifexd: Did you make it to the drug's MOA yet? |
00:58 |
artifexd |
Shit. No. The ads made me think I had scrolled all the way down and yet I was only halfway down the page. |
00:59 |
artifexd |
MOA means "How it works", right? Mode of Affect or something? |
00:59 |
BingoBoingo |
artifexd: Dude who runs the site is totally disabled. You have to account for such compromising design decisions or worse |
01:00 |
BingoBoingo |
MOA is Method of action |
01:01 |
BingoBoingo |
The internet is not designed for you and your purposes. That is the one lesson I want to hammer into the brains of so many shitheads. |
01:01 |
artifexd |
Ok. I've read it. Didn't understand much at all. |
01:01 |
BingoBoingo |
artifexd: Well the problem is... well did you recognize the problem? |
01:02 |
artifexd |
Correction: I didn't really understand a damn thing. |
01:03 |
artifexd |
I mean, ok, it's a mood stabilizer. But you give me the impression it is so much more. |
01:03 |
BingoBoingo |
artifexd: Lithium is not a simple mood stabilizer. |
01:04 |
BingoBoingo |
Where does lamotrigine fit there |
01:04 |
BingoBoingo |
Smoke? Anchor? Turd? |
01:05 |
moiety |
entirely different |
01:05 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Luke-Jr |
01:05 |
assbot |
Voicing Luke-Jr for 30 minutes. |
01:06 |
artifexd |
BingoBoingo, you seem to have the ability to, more than anyone else I know (including mp, maybe not including my wife), make me feel like a complete idiot. |
01:06 |
BingoBoingo |
moiety: some camels need more canings than others to fing water. |
01:06 |
moiety |
lithium is far too toxic for some and just doesnt work |
01:07 |
moiety |
lamotrigine can be used in much smaller amounts for a wide variety of things as an add-in |
01:07 |
moiety |
i totally agree about camels |
01:07 |
BingoBoingo |
artifexd: Full disclosure. I have a diagnosis of Bipolar I disorder. I can't given reality justify actual meds so i love booze. |
01:08 |
artifexd |
Lamotrigine is an anti-bi-polar medicine, right? Being bi-polar means that you tend to go from one extreme mood to the other. Successfully combating that means you in a not extreme mood. |
01:08 |
moiety |
its far more than that artifexd |
01:08 |
artifexd |
Thus a more stable mood. So, I called it a mood stabilizer. |
01:09 |
BingoBoingo |
Who says I am succeeding right now? |
01:09 |
moiety |
but a mood stabiliser in itself is a thing |
01:09 |
BingoBoingo |
Mike from breaking bad? |
01:09 |
BingoBoingo |
We all know how his half measures ended... |
01:09 |
* |
moiety doesn't |
01:09 |
* |
moiety runs |
01:10 |
moiety |
and no i didnt start archer yet either |
01:11 |
artifexd |
So why the comment that lithium is not a simple mood stabilizer when I wasn't talking about lithium. Unless you meant that as to also say that lamotrigine is also not a simple mood stabilizer. |
01:11 |
moiety |
what i said is that they are both entirely different |
01:12 |
BingoBoingo |
artifexd: Because you said what I wanted to spz. You just added noise to it though. |
01:12 |
artifexd |
"Smoke? Anchor? Turd?" <- I don't understand the reference |
01:12 |
artifexd |
spz? |
01:13 |
BingoBoingo |
Spz is standard math for suppoze |
01:13 |
artifexd |
Ah |
01:13 |
BingoBoingo |
smoke is ephemeral pretend anchors without actual beds to cut into |
01:13 |
BingoBoingo |
think boats |
01:13 |
moiety |
lol i went to log into the bnf and they give you an option to check your ip. whyyyy? https://www.bnf.org/bnf/login.htm |
01:14 |
artifexd |
Anchors work even if they don't reach the bottom. |
01:14 |
BingoBoingo |
Also recognize that moiety could be more differently right than me on this subject |
01:15 |
artifexd |
So back to before you mentioned lithium. I guess that I do not recognize the problem. |
01:15 |
moiety |
its the combination game. different strokes for different folks and all that jazz |
01:15 |
BingoBoingo |
^ |
01:15 |
BingoBoingo |
Not ^^^ |
01:15 |
BingoBoingo |
But ^ |
01:16 |
BingoBoingo |
!up dxrt |
01:16 |
assbot |
Voicing dxrt for 30 minutes. |
01:16 |
BingoBoingo |
What is up dxrt |
01:18 |
artifexd |
Bottom line is that if one is bipolar, lamotrigine is awesome as long as the side effects don't kill you. If you aren't bipolar are there any benefits? |
01:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.0009549 = 5.4429 BTC [+] |
01:18 |
artifexd |
!up benkay |
01:18 |
assbot |
Voicing benkay for 30 minutes. |
01:19 |
BingoBoingo |
artifexd: Magic happens because I dunno either of those cases |
01:20 |
artifexd |
What magic? What effects did you experience? |
01:21 |
BingoBoingo |
artifexd: How does Hephaestus feel? |
01:23 |
artifexd |
Like a blacksmith? |
01:23 |
BingoBoingo |
Wrond |
01:23 |
moiety |
artifexd: depends entirely on the drug. for lithium and lamotrigine, i'd say no. but addons eg quetiapine (to stop racing thoughts) can chill people out, aid sleep and also isnt addictive |
01:24 |
moiety |
its used in place of diazepam these days |
01:24 |
BingoBoingo |
Split that. He doesn't feel a smith. He feels the black. |
01:24 |
BingoBoingo |
moiety: In 'Murica we use brand names like Seroquel (also known as benadryl on steroids) |
01:25 |
artifexd |
Hephaestus was a blacksmith to the gods. He created wonderful and amazing things that were used and appreciated by the most powerful beings in the universe. I'd say he felt pretty proud and satisfied. |
01:25 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
01:26 |
moiety |
ofc sorry ishould translate my drugs for globality |
01:27 |
artifexd |
BingoBoingo, we seem to both use english as a source for our vocabulary but you put words together in ways that completely confound me. |
01:27 |
artifexd |
"He didn't feel a smith." <- He didn't feel like a creator of stuff? |
01:28 |
artifexd |
"He feels the black" <- black as in ostracized? |
01:28 |
BingoBoingo |
artifexd: Maybe scroll up? Charles Sander Peirce (pronounced Purse) could simplify these rules |
01:28 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
moiety, how you know quetiapine isnt addictive? |
01:29 |
BingoBoingo |
TestingUnoDosTre: It can be in prison |
01:29 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
cant all sleep aids be considered habit forming? |
01:29 |
BingoBoingo |
I've heard such from victims of my current legal adversary |
01:30 |
BingoBoingo |
TestingUnoDosTre: Who do you think you are? |
01:30 |
BingoBoingo |
Simply> |
01:30 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
is this like a metaphysical question or what? |
01:32 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
the reason why I asked about quetiapine is because I use it, and think of it as habit forming |
01:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39902 @ 0.00095402 = 38.0673 BTC [-] {2} |
01:32 |
moiety |
TestingUnoDosTre: it's not by chemical nature. people can believe they are addicted to it, but it is not in the physical dependancy sense like benzodiazapines are |
01:32 |
BingoBoingo |
TestingUnoDosTre: Actual metaphysics is still physics |
01:33 |
moiety |
its also a mood lifter so it gets used for people with depression that have problems sleeping (the racing thought thing) |
01:34 |
BingoBoingo |
TestingUnoDosTre: Slightly different doses of these drugs have such different effects |
01:34 |
BingoBoingo |
Except ETOH, I'll blow when I get in from garage |
01:34 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
ahah alright |
01:35 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
bets on over / under .37? |
01:35 |
BingoBoingo |
I guess I can't bet because I am reading |
01:36 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
which side would you bet? |
01:36 |
BingoBoingo |
TestingUnoDosTre: I'd bet over |
01:41 |
moiety |
<BingoBoingo> TestingUnoDosTre: Slightly different doses of these drugs have such different effects << so true |
01:42 |
BingoBoingo |
Lemme retreive the canon reference |
01:43 |
BingoBoingo |
;;google the most important article in psychiatry |
01:43 |
gribble |
Psychiatry articles: The New England Journal of Medicine: <http://www.nejm.org/psychiatry>; The Most Important Article On Psychiatry You Will Ever Read: <http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/07/the_most_important_article_on.html>; Psychiatry | BMJ: <http://www.bmj.com/specialties/psychiatry> |
01:43 |
BingoBoingo |
Link 2 |
01:43 |
BingoBoingo |
Read it, niggas |
01:45 |
moiety |
i love that blog |
01:46 |
moiety |
my friend writes on antipsychiatry (a psychiatric nurse) |
01:47 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 10 @ 0.14 = 1.4 BTC |
01:47 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0075 = 1.5 BTC [+] |
01:49 |
BingoBoingo |
About to c=blow on the BAC. Any bets? |
01:51 |
BingoBoingo |
Who is over .4 and who is under .4? |
01:52 |
artifexd |
What are the odds? |
01:53 |
BingoBoingo |
artifexd: Scoop your shit and make them yourself |
01:54 |
BingoBoingo |
Bidding closes in 7 minute |
01:54 |
BingoBoingo |
s |
01:54 |
artifexd |
Another combination of words that confounds me. "Scoop your shit" I don't understand. "Make them yourself" I understand. |
01:55 |
artifexd |
;;google "Scoop your shit" |
01:55 |
gribble |
Urban Dictionary: The frito shit scoop: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=The%20frito%20shit%20scoop>; Pet Poo Can Transmit Disease: Scoop Your Dog's Poop! - Yahoo ...: <http://voices.yahoo.com/pet-poo-transmit-disease-scoop-dogs-poop-12052938.html>; 10 Reasons to Scoop Your Dog's Poop - Petfinder: <http://www.petfinder.com/dogs/living-with-your-dog/scoop-dog-poop/> |
01:55 |
BingoBoingo |
artifexd: Have you ever owned a dog? |
01:55 |
artifexd |
Yes |
01:55 |
artifexd |
I currently have a 6 month old GSD. |
01:56 |
moiety |
i love GSDs |
01:56 |
artifexd |
Solid(ish) black is mine. |
01:56 |
BingoBoingo |
artifexd: Are you familiar how bitcoin works? |
01:56 |
artifexd |
Yes |
01:57 |
BingoBoingo |
Well... |
01:57 |
artifexd |
I am several orders of magnitude more familiar with bitcoin than pharmacology. |
01:57 |
BingoBoingo |
Cull your herd |
01:59 |
artifexd |
;;google "Cull your herd" |
01:59 |
gribble |
Culling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culling>; Culling the Cow Herd - OSU Beef Team: <http://beef.osu.edu/library/cull2.html>; How to Cull Cattle: 6 Steps - wikiHow: <http://www.wikihow.com/Cull-Cattle> |
02:02 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
thats a very well written article BingoBoingo |
02:03 |
artifexd |
You know, I gave serious thought to sponsoring your blog in exchange for you mentoring me. Specifically for an agreement that you would explain stuff to me in terms that I could understand. |
02:03 |
BingoBoingo |
TestingUnoDosTre: Which one is mine though |
02:03 |
BingoBoingo |
artifexd: To you I offered nothing of the sort, nigger. |
02:04 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
I didn't say you wrote it, just posted. "The most important article on psychiatry you will evar read" |
02:04 |
artifexd |
You did not. |
02:05 |
BingoBoingo |
Fuck it you are all a bunch of fucking kikes |
02:05 |
artifexd |
You were asking for funds and I thought about making an offer. |
02:05 |
BingoBoingo |
"Throw the jew down the well" |
02:06 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.0425 = 0.85 BTC [-] |
02:06 |
BingoBoingo |
artifexd: Maybe Milosevich pays better you nigger |
02:06 |
artifexd |
Which one? |
02:09 |
BingoBoingo |
artifexd: Slobodan, for Christ's sake (Because Jesus is in the Klan) |
02:12 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
.d |
02:12 |
ozbot |
6.979 billion | Next Diff in 1099 blocks | Estimated Change: 15.0353% in 6d 11h 36m 14s |
02:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00095365 = 16.975 BTC [-] |
02:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22526 @ 0.00095448 = 21.5006 BTC [+] {2} |
02:22 |
wywialm |
good morning everyone |
02:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51674 @ 0.00095632 = 49.4169 BTC [+] {2} |
02:25 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC |
02:27 |
benkay |
ping |
02:27 |
wywialm |
pong |
02:27 |
benkay |
;;laserkitteh |
02:27 |
gribble |
Error: "laserkitteh" is not a valid command. |
02:27 |
BingoBoingo |
benkay Plz do you have rifle thoughts? |
02:28 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
this bet really interests mehttp://bitbet.us/bet/783/bitcoin-incremental-difficulty-to-increase-by-3b-or/ |
02:28 |
moiety |
whats the lasercats command |
02:28 |
moiety |
i need this info |
02:30 |
* |
moiety promises not to abuse it |
02:30 |
BingoBoingo |
TestingUnoDosTre: I barely find you better than a cow |
02:31 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
like a tasty cow thats been grazing the grass |
02:31 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
? |
02:31 |
moiety |
udders |
02:32 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
;;lazerkitteh |
02:32 |
gribble |
Error: "lazerkitteh" is not a valid command. |
02:34 |
BingoBoingo |
TestingUnoDosTre: On a scale of 1-10 how bored might you imagine myself |
02:35 |
moiety |
no lasers but enjoy this manul http://24.media.tumblr.com/f45c10e080ae5e4e28618b13cad577b4/tumblr_n0srda45nK1si93cio5_1280.jpg |
02:36 |
BingoBoingo |
Manul always gets to cheap out... Unlike people trying to chimp out |
02:38 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66184 @ 0.00095735 = 63.3613 BTC [+] {3} |
02:45 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
6.66 out of 10, as in you have been more bored within the last 12 days BingoBoingo |
02:46 |
BingoBoingo |
TestingUnoDosTre: I have bored more |
02:48 |
cazalla |
TestingUnoDosTre: don't you bet at the last moment though? |
02:49 |
cazalla |
that was only a playful dig btw :) |
02:55 |
kanzure |
asciilifeform: could you join ##hplusroadmap sometime? you have a small fanclub |
02:57 |
benkay |
;;lasers |
02:57 |
gribble |
┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* |
03:06 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52176569 BTC [-] |
03:07 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.51710611 = 7.2395 BTC [-] {5} |
03:08 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.50850003 = 2.034 BTC [-] {3} |
03:09 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.508 = 1.016 BTC [-] |
03:09 |
Naphex |
;;lasers |
03:09 |
gribble |
┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* |
03:09 |
Naphex |
morning ;] |
03:10 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 401 @ 0.00080882 = 0.3243 BTC [-] {5} |
03:11 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 345 @ 0.00078587 = 0.2711 BTC [-] {5} |
03:12 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 365 @ 0.00075199 = 0.2745 BTC [-] {4} |
03:16 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 25 @ 0.03199 = 0.7998 BTC [+] |
03:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC |
03:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28046 @ 0.00095864 = 26.886 BTC [+] {2} |
03:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00095865 = 16.9202 BTC [+] |
03:48 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33566 @ 0.00095765 = 32.1445 BTC [-] {2} |
03:54 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-] |
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04:12 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 90 @ 0.0742218 = 6.68 BTC [-] |
04:15 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 100 @ 0.031 = 3.1 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 17 minutes ~ |
04:32 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 47 @ 0.0742218 = 3.4884 BTC [-] |
04:39 |
fluffypony |
BingoBoingo: do you think there'd be any interest in rugby bets on BitBet, or is the sports betting crowd on their more US-sports-centric? |
04:40 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: morning |
04:41 |
mircea_popescu |
heya |
04:42 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: I reached out to an affiliate manager I know of, great candidate, to see what it would cost to lure him away from his current venture...no word back |
04:43 |
mircea_popescu |
no rush either. |
04:43 |
fluffypony |
yerp, I'll look around peripherally and see if there's anyone I stumble across |
04:44 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah, kinda how this works. |
04:57 |
mircea_popescu |
omfg this chan has a log !? |
04:59 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: ikr, I already had to wade through the alexsanjose interview and then there was all that stuff after |
04:59 |
mircea_popescu |
that's where i am. |
04:59 |
mircea_popescu |
TestingUnoDosTre: by the way, I'm really disappointed how bitbet posts latest bets to the front page. I sniped this coinlab bet from a few months , and someone just followed me << now you understand our evil. |
04:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32592 @ 0.00095436 = 31.1045 BTC [-] {2} |
05:00 |
mircea_popescu |
artifexd: To be really useful though, it should be run on your own server. << unless you actually lock the thing in a cage, it's not any safer on some server you own or on some server google owns. |
05:02 |
mircea_popescu |
TestingUnoDosTre: how do you gage memory recall? << i'll tell you how. write 10k articles on your blog, then see if you can recall "where x was" when people ask. |
05:02 |
mircea_popescu |
because of google querying it becomes very atomic. |
05:03 |
fluffypony |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7YmJZ-qVW8 |
05:03 |
ozbot |
Dorian Nakamoto - Thank you Bitcoin Community - YouTube |
05:03 |
mircea_popescu |
joecool ^ |
05:03 |
fluffypony |
shame, I'd hate to be that dude |
05:03 |
bounce |
but! faraday cage! tempest-proof cases! only glass for networking! solar powered! gotta be safe, no? |
05:03 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce i wouldn't trust a tempest-proof case rated as such by a us institution and/or manufactured by a us corp |
05:06 |
bounce |
tangentially, there was a... german? that came up with radar-absorbing paint. refused to sell to anyone but "the government" but those weren't interested. wonder if such paint would get you out of speeding tickets. though with ANPR that's a bit moot these days. |
05:07 |
fluffypony |
bounce: I worked on an ANPR system for a parking garage years ago (2003?) to catch tail-gaters |
05:08 |
* |
bounce blames fluffypony for the rise of the ANPR databases |
05:08 |
mircea_popescu |
actually, i recall a time when romanian police used plain radars on the roads, and you could get electronic invisibility kits |
05:08 |
fluffypony |
once it was working with reasonable accuracy it was quite astonishing to see how many peopel tailgated and then came back days and weeks later |
05:08 |
fluffypony |
got clamped, claimed they never tailgated and always paid parking |
05:08 |
mircea_popescu |
(they just spotted the radar and replied with a pulse, making it take its own pulse reply as random scatter and discard the measurement) |
05:09 |
Naphex |
ftp :) |
05:09 |
mircea_popescu |
ah there you are. |
05:09 |
Naphex |
police managed to get my license, a week ago |
05:09 |
Naphex |
they nailed me in a police action with a granny crossing:( |
05:09 |
bounce |
IIRC that security book linked earlier starts out with a discussion of how the military had a jolly time playing radar cat'n'mouse |
05:09 |
mircea_popescu |
yo Naphex. i wanna do the following : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-04-2014#636082 |
05:11 |
Naphex |
let me read up and figure out whats going on |
05:17 |
fluffypony |
http://i.imgur.com/7H9gskb.jpg |
05:18 |
bounce |
IKINMK |
05:18 |
mircea_popescu |
lol that horse looks uniquely unconvinced |
05:18 |
bounce |
you're an expert on horsey expressions now? |
05:19 |
fluffypony |
bounce: it's a subset of Mirceanomics |
05:19 |
fluffypony |
or a practical application of it |
05:19 |
bounce |
"forget the bear, forget the bull, behold the horse" |
05:20 |
bounce |
though I suspect donkeys might still be more common in romania |
05:20 |
fluffypony |
I'm quite horseish on Bitcoin |
05:24 |
fluffypony |
BFL apologist on Reddit: "Many other manufacturers do the same. So my miner was used by BFL for 24 hours before they shipped it to me. Big deal. EDIT: And I've been happy with the BFL hardware I've used. Granted I did have to wait a long time for it - and although this is endemic in this industry, it's true that their waiting times have been perhaps somewhat worse than some of their competitors." |
05:24 |
fluffypony |
didn't know they still existed |
05:26 |
bounce |
bit of a horse trade, eh |
05:28 |
fluffypony |
an honest review of Neo&Bee stock: http://i.imgur.com/42c7pNg.jpg |
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05:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5513 @ 0.00095878 = 5.2858 BTC [+] {2} |
05:48 |
fluffypony |
I like this: "Mining pools are Guild Navigators. Nodes are Sand Worms. Developers are the Fremen. reddit trols are House Harkonen. Bitcoin, of course, is Spice." |
05:49 |
fluffypony |
heh - "Satoshi = Kwisatz Haderach" |
05:55 |
davout |
asciilifeform: in case you want to add that to your collection -> http://i.imgur.com/S4IoBB8.jpg |
05:58 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.5080001 = 1.524 BTC [+] |
06:01 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06575187 = 0.1315 BTC [+] |
06:05 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06574714 = 0.1972 BTC [+] |
06:07 |
fluffypony |
http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=139819485423701&w=2 |
06:07 |
ozbot |
'FIPS mode is not coming back' - MARC |
06:13 |
Apocalyptic |
davout, is the guy right of MP TAT ? |
06:13 |
davout |
Apocalyptic: no, i'm the green bush on the left side of the picture |
06:14 |
Apocalyptic |
i know who you are |
06:27 |
Naphex |
So AtlasATS is partnering with NSE |
06:27 |
HeySteve |
hey fluffypony and mircea_popescu, been considering the Sybil problem |
06:27 |
Naphex |
even after that hickup, what a week ago?:) |
06:28 |
Naphex |
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304049904579518224044905190?mg=reno64-ws (paywall'd) |
06:28 |
HeySteve |
a possible solution is moderation |
06:28 |
fluffypony |
Naphex: if you click through from Google the paywall is gone |
06:28 |
Naphex |
nothing of value anyway |
06:29 |
fluffypony |
HeySteve: then you end up with a "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" problem |
06:29 |
fluffypony |
HeySteve: aka bitcointalk's "default trust" nonsense |
06:29 |
HeySteve |
if we consider trust as it's presently used as separate to what I'd call "realism" |
06:30 |
HeySteve |
evidence of the person's existence, as vetted by other "proven humans" |
06:30 |
HeySteve |
no, it's fairly decentralised, no centralised watchers necessary |
06:31 |
HeySteve |
for example. I have low trust of Karpeles, I wouldn't let him watch my wallet |
06:31 |
HeySteve |
but I know for an almost certainty that bastard exists someplace, he's no fiction |
06:32 |
HeySteve |
so to apply it, whoever proves an identity is hollow claims a portion of that identity's rep. workable? just an idea really, kicking it around |
06:33 |
HeySteve |
bbl |
| |
~ 20 minutes ~ |
06:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12409 @ 0.00095891 = 11.8991 BTC [+] |
07:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00095919 = 6.0909 BTC [+] {2} |
07:12 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.0009595 = 27.3458 BTC [+] |
07:19 |
bounce |
so the SEC recognises "National Stock Exchange" (never heard of'em) as a SRO and now they're going to set rules for Atlas ATS. any rules are good rules, amirite or amirite? |
07:23 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56500 @ 0.00095659 = 54.0473 BTC [-] |
07:32 |
fluffypony |
I don't actually get the relationship |
07:32 |
fluffypony |
are they piggy-backing off the NSE's recognition in order to avoid needing to get approval anywhere? |
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~ 18 minutes ~ |
07:51 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 83 @ 0.00454592 = 0.3773 BTC [-] {4} |
07:52 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06573551 = 0.3287 BTC [-] {2} |
07:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
morning |
07:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
would you enjoy some broken glass for breakfast? http://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg04972.html |
07:53 |
fluffypony |
morn |
07:53 |
fluffypony |
*ing |
07:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
Hearn "Although I never expected it when I first started using Bitcoin, nowadays most of my purchases with it are for food and drink. If Bitcoin could not support such purchases, I would use it much less." |
07:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
he's proposing some sort of meta double-spending for the motherland |
07:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
to prevent BitUndo |
07:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
and other meanie miners |
07:55 |
davout |
;;rate mircea_popescu 4 met IRL twice, honored oral bet for .5 BTC |
07:55 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 3 to 4. |
07:55 |
ThickAsThieves |
how you know it's a good idea? "This may seem a radical suggestion, but I think it's much less radical than |
07:55 |
ThickAsThieves |
some of the others being thrown around." |
07:55 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's the best of the worst! |
07:56 |
ThickAsThieves |
"The above approach works as long as the majority of hashpower is honest" |
07:56 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: imho Bitcoin isn't designed to be used for a quick purchase of food and drink...but a system that has convenience + chargebacks can be built on top of Bitcoin quite easily (the way credit cards and PayPal are all essentially built on top of cash) |
07:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
well, bitcoin also happens to already have a system for preventing double spends |
07:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
he wants to put more system in his system |
07:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
because "honesty" |
07:57 |
fluffypony |
yes |
07:58 |
davout |
ThickAsThieves: I HERD U LIKE SYSTEMZ |
07:58 |
fluffypony |
but the current system is bad for line-at-Starbucks-and-everyone-wants-to-pay-with-BTC |
07:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
i wonder if he'd build the best way to double spend by trying to make the best way to prevent it |
07:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
these people... |
07:59 |
fluffypony |
maybe time for some FUD posts on triple spends :-P |
07:59 |
HeySteve |
double spend is going to be a hard solution to sell |
07:59 |
davout |
fluffypony: WE HERD YOU LIKE DOUBLESPENDZ |
07:59 |
HeySteve |
this reminds me of redlisting suggestion |
08:00 |
fluffypony |
davout: SO WE PUT SOME TRIPLESPENDZ IN YOUR DOUBLESPENDZ SO YOU CAN QUADRUPLESPENDZ WHILE YOU SPENDZ |
08:01 |
ThickAsThieves |
i guess he really is a NSA plant |
08:05 |
chetty |
ThickAsThieves, who? |
08:06 |
ThickAsThieves |
Mike Hearn |
08:06 |
fluffypony |
My Kern |
08:07 |
chetty |
plant might be strong, maybe bought |
08:07 |
ThickAsThieves |
Darling I don't know why I go to extremes |
08:07 |
ThickAsThieves |
Too high or too low there ain't no in-betweens |
08:07 |
ThickAsThieves |
And if I stand or I fall |
08:07 |
ThickAsThieves |
It's all or nothing at all |
08:07 |
ThickAsThieves |
Darling I don't know why I go to extremes |
08:07 |
HeySteve |
so what he proposes is honest miners submit double spends to certain pools, if those pools process them then ... what? all their blocks are rejected by the rest of the network somehow? |
08:08 |
ThickAsThieves |
they are like a backup plan or someshit |
08:08 |
ThickAsThieves |
he's basically building a BETTER BitUndo, i think/.... |
08:09 |
HeySteve |
well, is it possible to accidentally a block containing a double spend? |
08:09 |
ThickAsThieves |
who knows what's possible when you add a new feature that already exists |
08:09 |
ThickAsThieves |
and when that is the same person whom, if i recall, helped the last fork occur |
08:10 |
chetty |
very statist, fix problems that don't exist thus creating problems that do |
08:10 |
HeySteve |
I thought bitundo resolved as unlikely to work as a service |
08:10 |
ThickAsThieves |
well it's more likely to work early |
08:11 |
Naphex |
so here is something interesting, http://vib.is/fraedsla/bein-utsending/ investor round table for Bitcoin in island :] |
08:11 |
ThickAsThieves |
or sumth |
08:11 |
Naphex |
don't know whats going on but one of the guys there is the lead economist at CCP/Eve Online http://vib.is/fraedsla/bein-utsending/ |
08:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.00095762 = 32.9421 BTC [+] {2} |
08:13 |
Naphex |
if i would've had more time i would deffinetly do a ISK/BTC exchange just for fun:D |
08:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
someone is suggesting that Hearn is trolling |
08:14 |
HeySteve |
http://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg04962.html |
08:14 |
ozbot |
[Bitcoin-development] Double-spending unconfirmed transactions is a lot easier than most people real |
08:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
wouldnt that be a great way to start my day |
08:15 |
ThickAsThieves |
trolled by Hearn |
08:19 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0435 = 0.2175 BTC [+] {2} |
08:19 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03199 = 0.128 BTC [+] |
08:19 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-] |
08:20 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03199 = 0.128 BTC [+] |
08:20 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0435 = 0.174 BTC [+] |
08:20 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-] |
08:21 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03199 = 0.128 BTC [+] |
08:21 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0435 = 0.174 BTC [+] |
08:21 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-] |
08:22 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 11 @ 0.0742218 = 0.8164 BTC [-] {2} |
08:22 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03199 = 0.2239 BTC [+] |
08:22 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0435 = 0.3045 BTC [+] |
08:30 |
ThickAsThieves |
Would it be correct to say that Reddit is broken economy in that downvoters are not identified? |
08:31 |
Naphex |
some downvotes are auto and not from downvoters anyway |
08:31 |
Naphex |
to get the hot thing going |
08:31 |
ThickAsThieves |
doesnt really change my question though |
08:31 |
ThickAsThieves |
those could still be identified as such |
08:34 |
Naphex |
i wouldn't read too much into it |
08:34 |
Naphex |
just a ranking algo, doing its job |
08:34 |
Naphex |
showing the most voted stuff up |
08:35 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: what's the medium of exchange? |
08:35 |
Naphex |
http://amix.dk/blog/post/19588 |
08:39 |
ThickAsThieves |
karma / points |
08:39 |
ThickAsThieves |
yesterday it was already established that a point system could work as an economy |
08:39 |
fluffypony |
yes, but how do you exchange them between individuals? |
08:40 |
fluffypony |
"upvote my post and I'll upvote yours" ? |
08:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
same as with WoT ratings |
08:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
for every post every user gets one pos coin and one neg coin |
08:40 |
fluffypony |
except with WoT the medium of exchange is Bitcoin, by the Trilema post? |
08:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
no |
08:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
in the WoT the moe is rating points |
08:41 |
ThickAsThieves |
read yesterdays log |
08:41 |
ThickAsThieves |
i was exploring whether the the WoT itself contains an economy |
08:41 |
fluffypony |
must've missed that, I will |
08:41 |
HeySteve |
rating points are only as good as their issuer |
08:42 |
ThickAsThieves |
well, theyre only as good as the person assessing the issuer decided |
08:43 |
ThickAsThieves |
(just pointing out the value is dynamic) |
08:44 |
HeySteve |
how about a system where ratings are destroyed if the issuer is collectively deemed a fake or scammer? |
08:45 |
ThickAsThieves |
"destroyed" is not always an easy thing to identify |
08:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82100 @ 0.00096057 = 78.8628 BTC [+] {3} |
08:45 |
ThickAsThieves |
in WoT, |
08:45 |
ThickAsThieves |
you dont destroy points |
08:45 |
ThickAsThieves |
you take them back |
08:46 |
ThickAsThieves |
they always exist |
08:46 |
Naphex |
where do you get them points from? |
08:47 |
ThickAsThieves |
in WoT? For every user created, each other user received 10 pos "coins" and 10 neg "coins" |
08:47 |
ThickAsThieves |
the rules of the economy state thpse coins can only be used with that user |
08:48 |
ThickAsThieves |
and that the original owner can take them back at any time |
08:48 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's certainly not a typical or, arguably, ideal, economy |
08:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
but i think it qualifies nonetheless |
08:49 |
HeySteve |
I'm still stuck on this Sybil thing :) if you identify a puppet troupe, is there a mechanism to neutralise it beyond information-sharing? |
08:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
well is that a feature required within Mircea's theory? |
08:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
nowhere does it say you must be able to remove threat |
08:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
you must only have ability to identify one |
08:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
and punish one |
08:50 |
HeySteve |
oh, well I am talking more with a view to my project, still reading on MP's theory |
08:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
whats your project again? |
08:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
we could run it through the test |
08:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
and maybe see if you have a hole |
08:51 |
HeySteve |
essentially to integrate a reputation system within a blockchain |
08:51 |
HeySteve |
cool I'd appreciate it |
08:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
ok |
08:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
well |
08:51 |
HeySteve |
mircea_popescu suggested I share one of the key elements, which is that trust rating influences mining rewards |
08:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
first it is not yet proven that all systems require an "mircean" economy, though i suspect they do |
08:51 |
HeySteve |
this makes things a little trickier |
08:52 |
HeySteve |
decentralised system, this is? |
08:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
his theory doenst outright require decentralization either |
08:52 |
kakobrekla |
taaki didit. |
08:53 |
HeySteve |
all right, so medium of exchange, punishment gazette, public forum |
08:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
right |
08:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
what is your system's MoE? |
08:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
ratings right? |
08:53 |
HeySteve |
altcoin |
08:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
oh |
08:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
hehe |
08:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
so it has two? |
08:53 |
HeySteve |
or bitcoin if a sidechain, if that happens |
08:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
you can rate people AND get paid? |
08:54 |
HeySteve |
having two allows secure lending |
08:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
ick... |
08:54 |
HeySteve |
lending against rep |
08:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
hold up |
08:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
your goal is to make a rating system? |
08:54 |
HeySteve |
yes, you can rate and transact |
08:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
or a lending one? |
08:55 |
ThickAsThieves |
if both, handle them separately |
08:55 |
HeySteve |
the goal is to make a less scammy cryptocurrency |
08:55 |
kakobrekla |
as long as you can attach you linkedin profile to it, you should be fine! |
08:55 |
HeySteve |
oh yes, they are separate |
08:55 |
HeySteve |
oh crumbs no linkedin |
08:56 |
kakobrekla |
http://rack.0.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDE0LzA0LzIyL2Q3LzA3Ljc2MWQ1LmpwZwpwCXRodW1iCTg1MHg1OTA-CmUJanBn/be4d57af/5f9/07.jpg |
08:56 |
ThickAsThieves |
so by my subtheory, i'd say you need all the mircean features in both systems |
08:56 |
HeySteve |
well, public forum... yes I knocked up a quick phpBB for testing |
08:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
it seems odd to me that you are recreating the WoT, when it already exists |
08:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
wouldnt it be more productive to improve the existing one by helping with decentralization efforts or such? |
08:58 |
kakobrekla |
he just wants to make a spoonfork |
08:58 |
HeySteve |
well, that is indeed how I hope things turn out |
08:59 |
HeySteve |
here is one potential way to decentralise it |
08:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
;;ud spork |
08:59 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spork | And on the 8th day, God decided that Adam and Eve needed a multipurpose silverware item. Thus, the spork, a combination of the prongede wrath of th... |
08:59 |
ozbot |
Urban Dictionary: spork |
08:59 |
HeySteve |
:) |
08:59 |
kakobrekla |
its ok for camping, but normally its used in a separate form |
09:00 |
HeySteve |
well if a fork is for stabbing, a blockchain is for timestamping as nanotube said to me |
09:00 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://cache.backpackinglight.com/backpackinglight/images/items/light-my-fire-spork-xm-M.jpg |
09:01 |
ThickAsThieves |
apparently even the spork needed innovating |
09:01 |
kakobrekla |
wheres the chopstick in this thing |
09:01 |
HeySteve |
timestamping doesn't initially seem to add much to a WoT, but I'm starting to think the more data points the easier to spot Sibyls |
09:01 |
ThickAsThieves |
sold separately |
09:02 |
HeySteve |
an individual is easy to fake, a real network much harder (so my theory goes) |
09:02 |
ThickAsThieves |
time-stamping is useful |
09:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
it helps someone add context when asessing ratings |
09:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
assessing* |
09:03 |
HeySteve |
is there a time associated with anything but registration in the WoT? |
09:04 |
HeySteve |
I'm thinking rating will be a transaction, so that's timestamped and recorded. as you say, it is another level of context |
09:04 |
ThickAsThieves |
yeah it stores when you rated someone |
09:04 |
ThickAsThieves |
right? |
09:04 |
ThickAsThieves |
;;gettrust kakobrekla |
09:04 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 3, Level 2: 18 via 7 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=kakobrekla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kakobrekla | Rated since: Fri May 13 18:50:53 2011 |
09:04 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17883 @ 0.0009564 = 17.1033 BTC [-] {2} |
09:04 |
Naphex |
so.. why not just rate bitcoin transactions? |
09:05 |
Naphex |
make it signed before you submit a rateing |
09:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
i have no argument there |
09:05 |
Naphex |
and from the same source |
09:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
i also have no basic problem with integrating a WoT into the blockchain |
09:06 |
ThickAsThieves |
but this might be due to my ignorance with problems of using the chain for things it wasnt "designed" for |
09:06 |
Naphex |
A sells Douche to B through bitcoin, B cand then send a signed rate after. |
09:06 |
mircea_popescu |
<HeySteve> a possible solution is moderation << doesn't work for bitcointalk. |
09:07 |
HeySteve |
right ThickAsThieves |
09:07 |
bounce |
case study in where moderation breaks down |
09:07 |
HeySteve |
heh mircea_popescu, I mean something inspired by the voicing in here |
09:07 |
fluffypony |
voice isn't moderated |
09:07 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves Hearn << "If things evolved naturally, I'd end up mattering much less, which is to say my current denial of my own irrelevance would become much more difficult to maintain, even in my own eyes". |
09:07 |
mircea_popescu |
seems about right. |
09:08 |
ThickAsThieves |
i think the point of the mircean way is to have "moderation" be dynamic to the viewer |
09:08 |
ThickAsThieves |
the system provides all the info needed to decide for yourself |
09:08 |
HeySteve |
fluffypony, nonetheless it is necessary to have at least level 2 trust with assbot or be vouched for to participate |
09:08 |
fluffypony |
there's that point about #bitcoin-assets +m producing an aristocracy, of sorts, but that's not the same as modereation |
09:08 |
bounce |
usenet was pretty spiffy before AOL though. even if you needed a sometimes gigantic killfile |
09:08 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 64 @ 0.06594801 = 4.2207 BTC [+] {5} |
09:09 |
HeySteve |
ok fluffypony, fair enough, I need a better word for it |
09:09 |
mircea_popescu |
<ThickAsThieves> who knows what's possible when you add a new feature that already exists << lmao |
09:09 |
ThickAsThieves |
fluffypony, note that this chan does not moderate who can view it |
09:09 |
fluffypony |
^^ |
09:09 |
mircea_popescu |
<Naphex> if i would've had more time i would deffinetly do a ISK/BTC exchange just for fun:D << or else just join 1BTC, bitcoin's eve guild, where shares are tradeable for mpex shares etc. |
09:09 |
HeySteve |
essentially mining rights will be restricted to those who have been vouched for or rated as definitely being real people |
09:09 |
mircea_popescu |
<ThickAsThieves> Would it be correct to say that Reddit is broken economy in that downvoters are not identified? << yes, but at an "at least in that" |
09:10 |
bounce |
o_O? blah now I need to go dig. |
09:10 |
mircea_popescu |
<HeySteve> I'm still stuck on this Sybil thing :) if you identify a puppet troupe, is there a mechanism to neutralise it beyond information-sharing? << no, by definition. |
09:10 |
ThickAsThieves |
wait you wanna moderate mining rights? |
09:11 |
mircea_popescu |
<ThickAsThieves> first it is not yet proven that all systems require an "mircean" economy, though i suspect they do << all systems contain one, whether aware or not, i'd say. |
09:12 |
ThickAsThieves |
all "sustainable" systems at least |
09:12 |
mircea_popescu |
<HeySteve> timestamping doesn't initially seem to add much to a WoT, but I'm starting to think the more data points the easier to spot Sibyls <<< wot has timestamps as it is. |
09:12 |
mircea_popescu |
blockchain would only add some further trust to the already existing states, is all. |
09:13 |
mircea_popescu |
HeySteve voice here is a wholly innovative, quite well designed thing. it has exactly nothing in common with "moderation" as used on the interwebs forums |
09:14 |
mircea_popescu |
<ThickAsThieves> all "sustainable" systems at least <<< all systems with moving parts. |
09:15 |
mircea_popescu |
that's wehy it';s so important, that theory : because it describes the limits of the possibility of being, |
09:15 |
mircea_popescu |
it's not a technology, it's ontology. |
09:15 |
ThickAsThieves |
so what steps are needed to make this theory a law? |
09:16 |
mircea_popescu |
people spending a while trying to find a contradiction with reality and failing to do so. |
09:17 |
chetty |
yeah keep trying to disprove |
09:17 |
fluffypony |
that would make it akin to a natural law, yes? |
09:18 |
ThickAsThieves |
itll be a tough one to prove |
09:18 |
ThickAsThieves |
since a broken economy can exist for a long time |
09:18 |
ThickAsThieves |
and people will keep pointing to those |
09:18 |
fluffypony |
true |
09:19 |
HeySteve |
this is why I asked about decentralised systems |
09:19 |
chetty |
humans break everything, its a natural law |
09:19 |
bounce |
just add brokers, and free market theory says it'll cease to be broken. well, at least the brokers won't go broke. |
09:22 |
chetty |
https://twitter.com/wences/status/458956014474502144/photo/1 |
09:24 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony yeah, kinda how darwin's stuff ended up law. |
09:25 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves but functional is no argument in this discussion. |
09:25 |
ThickAsThieves |
but how do you prove that a functional economy is broken? |
09:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
other than by saying it's missing mircean qualities |
09:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
you can't say, the definition of "definition" is definition |
09:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
(unless you are a BitBet mod) |
09:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
;) |
09:29 |
HeySteve |
I would tentatively suggest an economy is broken if it leaks value into competing economies |
09:30 |
mircea_popescu |
no but listen, this is not a discussion of whether a house collapsed |
09:30 |
mircea_popescu |
it's a discussion of whether it has load bearing walls. |
09:30 |
mircea_popescu |
of fucking course it does, whether it falls down or not. |
09:31 |
mircea_popescu |
the concept of load bearing can be illustrated by proving that the walls that stand actually have loadbearing ability in excess of the load |
09:31 |
mircea_popescu |
and the walls that fall vice versa |
09:31 |
mircea_popescu |
it can't be disproven by showing some houses standing. |
09:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 825 @ 0.00095565 = 0.7884 BTC [-] |
09:34 |
ThickAsThieves |
i understand, yet can't grok how you'd actually go about proving a "house" can stand without load-bearing walls, in practice |
09:34 |
ThickAsThieves |
is US economy an offender of your theory? |
09:34 |
mircea_popescu |
by proving that, for instance, kali-of-the-tits holds up houses |
09:35 |
Naphex |
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23r9n2/lets_use_mike_hearns_coinbase_reallocation_to/ |
09:35 |
Naphex |
ah good ol reddit dukeouts |
09:35 |
mircea_popescu |
and there's no such thing as gravity etc. |
09:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
naphex thats what i was discussing earlier |
09:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
that post is petertodd trolling Hearn |
09:36 |
Naphex |
yeah just finished checking it out |
09:36 |
Naphex |
lots of work today |
09:37 |
mircea_popescu |
fucking outrageous. |
09:37 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, off to lunch. |
09:39 |
HeySteve |
heh |
09:41 |
HeySteve |
I give peter todd points for style, mike hearn sounds very grumpy |
09:42 |
ThickAsThieves |
mircea_popescu ALERT! ALERT! http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/04/23/buffett-cant-find-bear-for-berkshire-annual-meeting/ |
09:42 |
ThickAsThieves |
"It’s hard to find someone who wants to go on record betting against Warren Buffett." |
09:42 |
fluffypony |
lol |
09:43 |
kakobrekla |
mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/449558141525827584 < did you know wences runs that thing? (i did not) |
09:45 |
Naphex |
bbl o/ |
09:48 |
asciilifeform |
wences, the one with the missile silo ? |
09:49 |
kakobrekla |
i dunno about missile silo |
09:50 |
asciilifeform |
in his place, i would've sprung for a satellite constellation, storage using shamir's splitter algo. |
09:50 |
asciilifeform |
but what do i know. |
09:51 |
fluffypony |
asciilifeform: but you don't have (c) and tm after that, so how can anyone trust you to store their BTC safely? |
09:51 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
09:52 |
asciilifeform |
just store it in... your nuke. |
09:52 |
asciilifeform |
http://northernrob.smugmug.com/Other/Various-Bike-Pics/i-Z3Vn98M/0/L/Richs-Royal-Enfield-Nuke-Bike-L.jpg |
09:53 |
kakobrekla |
speaking of sats |
09:53 |
kakobrekla |
http://www.coindesk.com/jeff-garzik-announces-partnership-launch-bitcoin-satellites-space/ |
09:53 |
kakobrekla |
here, some yellow press. |
09:54 |
asciilifeform |
notice what isn't in a 'cubesat.' |
09:55 |
fluffypony |
holy cowbell the ignornace |
09:55 |
fluffypony |
ignorance |
09:55 |
fluffypony |
"a 512GB SSD Drive will do in the satellite for the coming 10 years. It will barely consume power and generate next to no heat at all.... It is not like we are sending miners into space, just public nodes carrying the blockchain...." |
09:56 |
asciilifeform |
come on, what's missing ? |
09:56 |
asciilifeform |
there's an obvious attribute of 'adult' sats that is nowhere |
09:56 |
fluffypony |
asciilifeform: a computer? some form of communication? |
09:58 |
asciilifeform |
damnit |
09:58 |
asciilifeform |
thrusters. |
09:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
ability to manuever? |
09:58 |
fluffypony |
ah |
09:58 |
asciilifeform |
ThickAsThieves << winner |
09:59 |
* |
fluffypony sends ThickAsThieves 203928312 ATC |
09:59 |
fluffypony |
or Timekoin if you'd prefer |
10:02 |
HeySteve |
are thrusters required to stop the orbit degrading or something? |
10:02 |
ThickAsThieves |
asciilifeform, have you seen this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_6p-1J551Y |
10:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15752 @ 0.00095284 = 15.0091 BTC [-] |
10:04 |
asciilifeform |
http://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1144&context=smallsat (pdf) |
10:04 |
asciilifeform |
see pg. 2 |
10:04 |
asciilifeform |
pathetic lifetimes. |
10:04 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52514439 BTC [+] |
10:05 |
asciilifeform |
'low orbit is no orbit.' |
10:05 |
asciilifeform |
cubesats are normally a thing for engineering students. |
10:05 |
asciilifeform |
an exercise. |
10:05 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.52961812 = 5.8258 BTC [+] {5} |
10:06 |
ThickAsThieves |
making garzik's soliciting for donations that much more ugly |
10:06 |
ThickAsThieves |
let's all buy a toy! |
10:06 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.52840909 = 11.625 BTC [-] {2} |
10:07 |
davout |
fluffypony: aren't SSD drives the least durable one could pick? |
10:07 |
fluffypony |
davout: yeah I don't know what that commenter was thinking |
10:07 |
asciilifeform |
in herr casares's place, i'd actually consider deep ocean sonobuoys. |
10:07 |
HeySteve |
so about 3 years and it burns up? |
10:07 |
ThickAsThieves |
commenters sayng stuff like "This satellite is really important for the future of bitcoin." |
10:07 |
asciilifeform |
HeySteve: try 3 weeks. |
10:07 |
ThickAsThieves |
"There are so many smart forward thinkers in the digital currency space. I'm so impressed." |
10:07 |
fluffypony |
davout: they're probably thinking they can just send a Raspberry Pi and an SSD up and it'll work |
10:07 |
HeySteve |
asciilifeform, going on deploy date vs. decay date in the stats there |
10:08 |
asciilifeform |
;;google SOFAR channel |
10:08 |
gribble |
SOFAR channel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOFAR_channel>; SOFAR channel - NOAA Ocean Explorer: <http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explorations/sound01/background/acoustics/media/sofar.html>; DOSITS: Sound Travel in the SOFAR Channel: <http://www.dosits.org/science/soundmovement/sofar/sofartravel/> |
10:08 |
HeySteve |
it seems they CAN stay up a while, what is different between the ones that last 1000+ days and the month long ones? |
10:08 |
ThickAsThieves |
HeySteve, but note the newer cubes last the least amount of time |
10:08 |
asciilifeform |
sink'em. comms via sonar. no radiation problems, no decay, use thermocline with 'peltier' for energy source. |
10:09 |
HeySteve |
is it the launch vehicle, ones deployed low fail quickly perhaps? |
10:09 |
asciilifeform |
and let it pop its keys if barometer reveals that it's been fished out. |
10:09 |
asciilifeform |
make the chassis from 'inconel' or similar alloy. |
| |
↖ |
10:09 |
asciilifeform |
3000+ yrs. in salt water, no corrosion |
10:10 |
asciilifeform |
and then you're rid of the Procrustean size limits of orbiting widgets |
10:11 |
asciilifeform |
to talk to 'seacoin' all you'd need is a hydrophone and a few km of fishing line. |
10:11 |
davout |
asciilifeform: enjoy your tectonic plates |
10:12 |
asciilifeform |
davout: nobody said it'd be trivial |
10:12 |
asciilifeform |
davout: likewise, note that these wouldn't sit on the floor |
10:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
they would live inside a whale |
10:13 |
asciilifeform |
you want them bobbing about as close to SOFAR depth as possible |
10:13 |
HeySteve |
but what about... bitcoin whales (drumroll) |
10:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
Pinnochio Nodes |
10:13 |
asciilifeform |
ideally they'd have a solid-state (piezo?) 'swim bladder' |
10:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
Pinocchio* |
10:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
Pinodecchio |
10:14 |
HeySteve |
asciilifeform, if you're willing to talk me through the science I'll write about Cubesats fails because F coindesk |
10:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
naming even works with Rasberry Pi! |
10:16 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52422529 = 1.5727 BTC [-] {2} |
10:16 |
davout |
HeySteve: lol |
10:16 |
* |
asciilifeform blows dust off shelv |
10:16 |
asciilifeform |
wertz & larson, 'space mission analysis and design' |
10:16 |
asciilifeform |
get thee to library. |
10:17 |
asciilifeform |
'reducing space mission cost' (same) |
10:18 |
asciilifeform |
if you like physical security exotica, consider poseidon's kingdom instead. |
10:19 |
asciilifeform |
deep sea machines don't orbit decay. |
10:20 |
HeySteve |
someone is offering his 3d printed cubesat to the project |
10:20 |
asciilifeform |
$10 anchor instead of $10M rocket laugh^H^Hnch |
10:21 |
HeySteve |
"for the amount saved in mass, you may like to add extra avionics to BitSat." |
10:21 |
asciilifeform |
yeah let's put plastic in orbit. |
10:21 |
asciilifeform |
can i get off this planet plz |
10:21 |
asciilifeform |
my bogodosimeter's maxed out |
10:22 |
kakobrekla |
take me with you, ill pay for half the fuel. |
10:22 |
asciilifeform |
http://dev.solita.fi/img/beyond-cargo-cult-software-design/cargoplane.jpg |
10:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34421 @ 0.00095313 = 32.8077 BTC [+] |
10:26 |
asciilifeform |
now if you like yer brain coming out yer ears, remember that launching (orbit, sea, mars, wherever) is the easy part |
10:26 |
asciilifeform |
i was once taught 'gypsy recipe for chicken' - '1) first, find a chicken' |
| |
↖ |
10:26 |
asciilifeform |
we haven't the chicken |
10:26 |
asciilifeform |
e.g. computer suitable for the application. |
10:27 |
* |
asciilifeform imagines the moneyed idiot who launches a 'pc-compatible' running existing softs, for security-critical application |
10:29 |
kakobrekla |
happens all the time |
10:35 |
Duffer1 |
http://www.coindesk.com/jeff-garzik-announces-partnership-launch-bitcoin-satellites-space/ |
10:35 |
kakobrekla |
trice. |
10:35 |
asciilifeform |
this isn't merely sad |
10:36 |
asciilifeform |
it's undergrad-level sad. |
10:37 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 62 @ 0.00481945 = 0.2988 BTC [+] {3} |
10:37 |
asciilifeform |
there's a certain engineering dynamic at work, where the poor schmuck begins to contemplate what it would take to -actually- solve the problem, and then his starfish begins to pucker |
10:38 |
asciilifeform |
and he decides that arithmetic won't apply to him if he 'want it enough' |
10:39 |
fluffypony |
why do I open my big mouth in the comments section |
10:39 |
fluffypony |
"An SSD is non-magnetic storage, there is not really any protection needed. Put a metal case around it and im pretty sure it can drop from the atmosphere into the ground at free fall speed and still operate once free'd from the metal casing" |
10:39 |
* |
fluffypony bangs head into table |
10:39 |
kakobrekla |
the real problem with ssd is the controller on it |
10:39 |
fluffypony |
someone else said "tungsten is the high density option- polyethylene is the low option. also, for circular orbits below 1000 km radiation is nominal in terms of bitflips etc." |
10:40 |
fluffypony |
re: shielding it |
10:40 |
asciilifeform |
ssd doesn't do terribly well here on earth. |
10:40 |
asciilifeform |
;;google ssd ion migration |
10:40 |
gribble |
Free Today - Paragon Migrate OS to SSD 3.0 - Windows 7 Help Forums: <http://www.sevenforums.com/software/290054-free-today-paragon-migrate-os-ssd-3-0-a.html>; Samsung XP941 NGFF M.2 PCIe SSDs in RAID 0 - The SSD Review: <http://www.thessdreview.com/our-reviews/samsung-xp941-m-2-pcie-ssds-raid-0-worlds-smallest-ssd-combination-hits-2gbs/>; OCZ Agility 4 SATA III 2.5" SSD (EOL): (1 more message) |
10:40 |
asciilifeform |
fuck it |
10:40 |
asciilifeform |
;;google flash write cycles |
10:40 |
gribble |
Flash memory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory>; SSD endurance myths and legends - saga continues in 3D: <http://www.storagesearch.com/ssdmyths-endurance.html>; How to stretch the life of your SSD storage | PCWorld: <http://www.pcworld.com/article/2043634/how-to-stretch-the-life-of-your-ssd-storage.html> |
10:41 |
kakobrekla |
nah, controllers will die before you will wear it out |
10:41 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: for chinese boards, certainly |
10:41 |
kakobrekla |
it doesnt seem to be limited to chinese |
10:42 |
ThickAsThieves |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TyyixJ2bQ4 |
10:42 |
ozbot |
Awesome Video CGI for a KID - YouTube |
10:42 |
asciilifeform |
is anyone involved with the crapsat even vaguely familiar with how adult machines are built? |
10:43 |
asciilifeform |
e.g. massive redundancy, rad hardening, etc |
10:43 |
asciilifeform |
;;google tandem cpu |
10:43 |
gribble |
Tandem Computers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tandem_Computers>; TACL - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TACL>; Guardian 90: A Distributed Operating System Optimized ...: <http://www.hpl.hp.com/techreports/tandem/TR-90.8.pdf> |
10:43 |
ThickAsThieves |
are you questioning a core developer of bitcoin!? |
10:44 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
10:45 |
fluffypony |
I believe the charge for such heresy is a negrating on the WoT |
10:45 |
ThickAsThieves |
me in #bitcoin-dev : <ThickAsThieves> i'd like to put a nose in my nose to prevent me from having to smell things i dont like |
10:45 |
fluffypony |
lol |
10:46 |
asciilifeform |
;;google zimbabwe rock oil |
10:46 |
gribble |
Mugabe: 'Diesel mystic's beauty blinded ministers' - New Zimbabwe ...: <http://www.newzimbabwe.com/pages/fuel42.17176.html>; Mystic leads Zimbabwe government on fake fuel hunt: <http://www.newzimbabwe.com/pages/fuel38.16709.html>; Zim 'diesel conjurer' gets 3 years | News24: <http://www.news24.com/Africa/Zimbabwe/Zim-diesel-conjurer-gets-3-years-20100930> |
10:50 |
bounce |
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2014/04/23/emergency_services_network/ -- I thought they already had a unified service. so, how hard is it to cook up a few suitable radio designs and add some backing management software? |
10:51 |
asciilifeform |
and now for today's lul, |
10:51 |
asciilifeform |
http://cryptome.org/2014/04/TCP32764_backdoor_again.pdf |
10:52 |
TomServo |
haha - just finished reading that |
10:52 |
Duffer1 |
new idea for s.nsa? :) |
10:53 |
asciilifeform |
Duffer1: what'd that be ? |
10:53 |
Duffer1 |
secure routers |
10:53 |
asciilifeform |
Duffer1: see the point about satellites. |
10:54 |
Duffer1 |
hehe |
10:55 |
asciilifeform |
bounce: cook up a few suitable radio designs << think about this. |
10:56 |
asciilifeform |
there are two basic strategies for invincibility. biologists say 'r-strategy and m-strategy.' |
10:56 |
asciilifeform |
'm' would correspond to, e.g. satellites, deep ocean pods, etc. |
10:57 |
asciilifeform |
'r' - well, say, this - http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Radio_20Parasite#996195704 |
10:58 |
asciilifeform |
either would require suitable technological building blocks |
10:58 |
asciilifeform |
which are conspicuously absent. |
10:59 |
asciilifeform |
anyone who doesn't grasp this is a pwnie, doomed to be ridden by children in the park. |
10:59 |
bounce |
didn't DARPA issue a "challenge" for cigarette-sized easily scatterable mobile APs? |
10:59 |
asciilifeform |
but that's all i'll say about this, for now |
11:00 |
bounce |
er, s/cigarette/& box/ |
11:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6846 @ 0.00095397 = 6.5309 BTC [+] {2} |
11:01 |
asciilifeform |
everyone loves physical security exotica, because 'sexy' |
11:01 |
asciilifeform |
go, polish a turd. |
11:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24054 @ 0.00095242 = 22.9095 BTC [-] |
11:02 |
kakobrekla |
you talking about dildo wallet? |
11:02 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: lol, Göringwallet. |
11:03 |
kakobrekla |
thats the one |
11:03 |
bounce |
plenty turds in any given polish craphouse |
11:05 |
* |
fluffypony wades out of the CoinDesk comment section |
11:05 |
fluffypony |
it's becoming worse than reddit |
11:07 |
benkay |
toughest lesson of undergrad was working out and accepting capital requirements for orbit and deep sea industry |
11:08 |
TomServo |
!up tris |
11:08 |
assbot |
Voicing tris for 30 minutes. |
11:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00095242 = 2.2382 BTC [-] |
11:10 |
davout |
benkay: lol |
11:12 |
benkay |
davout: the story gets more amusing |
11:13 |
cgcardona_ |
morning everyone |
11:14 |
benkay |
i was preparing a frontal assault on Nautilus Minerals and Reaction Engines Ltd. when I acquired a redhead who understandably has no desire to live in either rural Britain or within commuting distance of deep-sea deposits. |
11:16 |
benkay |
REL continues to not deliver (although hey, give 'em a decade or two and maybe we'll get cold fusion while we're at it) and Nautilus continues to inch forwards: http://www.nautilusminerals.com/s/Media-NewsReleases.asp?ReportID=647179 |
11:17 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06857999 = 0.3429 BTC [+] |
11:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30950 @ 0.00095193 = 29.4622 BTC [-] {2} |
11:18 |
benkay |
hue hue hue: http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/F-U:CN |
11:26 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50929394 BTC [-] |
11:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06857999 = 0.4801 BTC [+] {2} |
11:38 |
thestringpuller |
;;ident |
11:38 |
gribble |
Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified. |
11:38 |
thestringpuller |
damn i need to auth |
11:43 |
benkay |
thestringpuller: how are you voiced if not authed? |
11:44 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03199 = 0.16 BTC [-] |
11:45 |
benkay |
;;ident thestringpuller |
11:45 |
gribble |
Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified. |
11:45 |
benkay |
!down thestringpuller |
11:45 |
Duffer1 |
hater |
11:45 |
Duffer1 |
:P |
11:45 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06859999 = 0.343 BTC [+] |
11:46 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06859999 = 0.1372 BTC [+] |
11:47 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0324 = 0.2592 BTC [+] {4} |
11:47 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.04250059 = 0.2975 BTC [+] {3} |
11:47 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.0742218 = 0.5196 BTC [-] {3} |
11:48 |
Naphex |
boring day todau :) |
11:48 |
Naphex |
today* even |
11:50 |
davout |
Naphex: if you're bored go troll #bitcoin-dev |
11:50 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0325 = 0.195 BTC [+] {3} |
12:00 |
Naphex |
party finished over there hehe so too late ;l |
12:00 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.54515920 BTC to 7`064 shares, 36030 satoshi per share |
12:00 |
moiety |
hello |
12:01 |
Naphex |
i could start working on the payments api but nuff work for the day |
12:02 |
benkay |
morning, moiety |
12:03 |
moiety |
how are you benkay? saw something that reminded me of here, so snipped it http://i.imgur.com/VgelVaK.png |
12:04 |
benkay |
nice. |
12:05 |
benkay |
i have yet to actually remember the laser-kitteh command, moiety |
12:05 |
benkay |
;;laser-kitteh |
12:05 |
gribble |
Error: "laser-kitteh" is not a valid command. |
12:05 |
benkay |
;;kitteh-lasers |
12:05 |
gribble |
Error: "kitteh-lasers" is not a valid command. |
12:05 |
benkay |
;;kitteh-laser |
12:05 |
gribble |
Error: "kitteh-laser" is not a valid command. |
12:05 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03275 = 0.1638 BTC [-] |
12:05 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [-] |
12:05 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-] |
12:06 |
moiety |
;; laserkittens |
12:06 |
gribble |
ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew* |
12:06 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0425 = 0.1275 BTC [-] |
12:06 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-] |
12:07 |
moiety |
i'd like to see gribbles logs for the past day or two... so many attempts at laser kttehs |
12:07 |
benkay |
laserkittens, you say. |
12:07 |
benkay |
well, thanks moiety. |
12:08 |
moiety |
i totally did not pm gribble looking... >.> |
12:09 |
moiety |
kakobrekla, we need lasermanuls! |
12:10 |
moiety |
twitter's had an fb facelift, it's weird |
12:11 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.06310574 = 12.6211 BTC [-] {12} |
12:13 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 65 @ 0.06142724 = 3.9928 BTC [-] {18} |
12:14 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06000245 = 0.6 BTC [-] {2} |
12:18 |
moiety |
scotland's so backwards, you can't submit any forms online |
12:19 |
fluffypony |
moiety: sounds like here |
12:19 |
fluffypony |
except for tax |
12:19 |
moiety |
so irritating, fucked without a printer |
12:19 |
fluffypony |
moiety: what OS? |
12:20 |
moiety |
OS? winblows, why? |
12:20 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2753 @ 0.00013383 = 0.3684 BTC [-] {9} |
12:20 |
fluffypony |
I'm on OS X |
12:20 |
fluffypony |
and what I've taken to doing |
12:20 |
fluffypony |
is using Preview to fill in forms (use the annotation tools where necessary) |
12:20 |
fluffypony |
then |
12:20 |
fluffypony |
I bought a copy of PDFPen |
12:20 |
fluffypony |
fire that up when doc is complete |
12:20 |
fluffypony |
I have a PNG of my signature |
12:21 |
fluffypony |
copy and paste into doc, resize and position |
12:21 |
fluffypony |
save and send |
12:21 |
benkay |
os x preview will now capture and insert signatures from the laptop camera, fluffypony |
12:21 |
moiety |
thanks :) i'll try this, i'm not sure if they will accept via email though |
12:22 |
benkay |
what forms're you submitting, moiety ? |
12:22 |
fluffypony |
benkay: didn't know that - but doesn't the form need to have a dedicated PDF-compliant signature block to use that? |
12:22 |
moiety |
applying to every council i can around here |
12:22 |
benkay |
fluffypony: don't quite recall much more than writing my name on a piece of paper and dropping it into the pdf. |
12:22 |
fluffypony |
cool I'll give that a spin, tks benkay |
12:23 |
benkay |
i mean the idiotic format lets one absolutely position letters so why not sigs? |
12:23 |
benkay |
moiety: what kinds of coucils? are you going full-commie on us? |
12:23 |
fluffypony |
Eric Clapton and BB King kinda night |
12:23 |
* |
fluffypony fires up some muzaks |
12:24 |
moiety |
lol no i just need somewhere to live |
12:24 |
benkay |
ah i see |
12:24 |
kakobrekla |
ah lol davout http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=102 , i had _exactly_ (down to the number) the same argument |
12:25 |
moiety |
and everything is so retarded here unless you are pregnant and/or have a drug habit |
12:25 |
davout |
kakobrekla: as long as we don't have the same gf :D |
12:25 |
kakobrekla |
:D |
12:26 |
benkay |
moiety: sounds like you have your work cut out for you. |
12:26 |
fluffypony |
well I suppose it's better than the "how come when you messaged that you love me you only put 2 exclamation marks when I put 4?" argument |
12:27 |
davout |
fluffypony: you don't know french women |
12:27 |
davout |
XD |
12:27 |
benkay |
juh-hee-zus |
12:27 |
fluffypony |
lol |
12:27 |
benkay |
exclamation points? |
12:27 |
benkay |
"girl i'm busy you're lucky i hammered that out mispellings and all" |
12:28 |
fluffypony |
benkay: yeah, one of the reasons why I married my wife was because she wasn't full of shit like that (full of shit in other ways, but not pedantry/jealousy like that) |
12:28 |
fluffypony |
but I had that exact argument with an ex-gf in my mid-20s |
12:28 |
moiety |
i hate message things that give a 'read' report. just leads to "why did it take you 4 hours to reply?" |
12:29 |
fluffypony |
moiety: WhatsApp is the worst with that..."I see the message got delivered because there's a second tick...are we fighting now that you're not replying?" |
12:29 |
davout |
moiety: the best way to answer that is "because i didn't feel like it" |
12:29 |
moiety |
voxer gives a location point on a map, thats even worse, i used to get "why were you not at your house?" |
12:29 |
benkay |
sometimes more information is worst information |
12:30 |
benkay |
moiety: ugh. |
12:30 |
* |
fluffypony shudders at the thought |
12:30 |
moiety |
"I'm allowed to go buy food!" |
12:30 |
fluffypony |
hah hah |
12:30 |
fluffypony |
that's when they "surprise" you with a visit to your house, right? |
12:31 |
moiety |
no just sitting huffing being a retard. even though if you check the map of my city it would show a Tesco store or something |
12:31 |
moiety |
i got a "and who's this?" once .. "zoom in, its the doctors -_-" |
12:32 |
* |
fluffypony chuckles |
12:33 |
moiety |
i never used whats app, they kept info of people on their users contacts lists that didnt even have the app o.o |
12:33 |
benkay |
i'll do you one better |
12:34 |
benkay |
if i ever want to get off the iphone i have to get a new number, because my current number is cached in every iphone that's ever texted me and will go over apple's servers no matter no matter. |
12:34 |
moiety |
wtf apple |
12:35 |
benkay |
i'll probably have to keep the old number alive and set up an auto-responder saying 'this number is dead please try blah blah blah..." |
12:35 |
fluffypony |
yeah, I resigned myself to sacrificing all measure of privacy the minute I got my Nokia N95 and realised all the crap that could go on in the background |
12:35 |
benkay |
but i'm now fucked on this number |
12:35 |
benkay |
this number is now no longer portable |
12:35 |
moiety |
that snowden phone that everyone had kittens over seemed a bit futile to me |
12:35 |
benkay |
well, from provider to provider sure. |
12:35 |
benkay |
but not from ios to anything else |
12:36 |
fluffypony |
benkay: ok no wait that's not right |
12:36 |
fluffypony |
I have a friend that switched from iOS to Android in October |
12:36 |
fluffypony |
and it doesn't offer the blue iMessage option or anything any longer |
12:36 |
fluffypony |
I think if they haven't signed in to iCloud/iMessage from an iOS device it takes them off the active list or whatevs |
12:36 |
Naphex |
cmon guys |
12:36 |
Naphex |
decentralized telephony |
12:37 |
Naphex |
pay2relay |
12:37 |
fluffypony |
encrypted HAM? |
12:38 |
Naphex |
nah regular telephonyi |
12:40 |
Naphex |
have a radio mesh of transcievers |
12:40 |
Naphex |
phone looks for strongest signal |
12:41 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 750 @ 0.14 = 105 BTC |
12:41 |
Naphex |
hard to type from phone |
12:43 |
Naphex |
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_mesh_network |
12:43 |
ozbot |
Wireless mesh network - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
12:43 |
Naphex |
pay to carry voip with cryptos |
12:45 |
fluffypony |
ok so |
12:46 |
fluffypony |
I'm looking for a bit of seed funding to expand and grow OpenRigs, benkay took a looksie at a previous version of my proposal and made some suggestions (which I've incorporated) |
12:46 |
fluffypony |
if anyone has a few mins I'd like a sanity check before I send it out to interested people |
12:46 |
fluffypony |
https://openrigs.com/download/proposal.pdf |
12:46 |
fluffypony |
(bearing in mind it's a fiat business, not a BTC business per se, so it's not meant to compete with a pure BTC business) |
12:47 |
ThickAsThieves |
odd that youre leading with a mining farm |
12:47 |
ThickAsThieves |
seems superfluous |
12:48 |
ThickAsThieves |
other than to confirm your rigs are practical |
12:48 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: that's exactly it, it's a means to an end |
12:48 |
benkay |
fluffypony: what changes did you make? |
12:49 |
fluffypony |
benkay: pretty much everything you suggested, I kept PayBee in as I don't want to split it out into an entity on its own just yet |
12:49 |
fluffypony |
but did everything else |
12:49 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0653156 = 0.6532 BTC [+] |
12:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
isnt the "Bee" brand kinda taboo now? |
12:50 |
fluffypony |
lol |
12:50 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.065 = 0.325 BTC [-] |
12:50 |
fluffypony |
I didn't think of it that way |
12:50 |
fluffypony |
meh, branding is easy to change on that |
12:52 |
jurov |
even Gox still isn't taboo |
12:52 |
jurov |
oh, what about GoxBee ? |
12:52 |
Naphex |
lol |
12:52 |
fluffypony |
MtBee? |
12:52 |
Naphex |
goxbeeflyknc? |
12:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
"Investors can choose to be silent investors, receiving feedback on decisions only,or active investors that will play a role in the decision making process and in the ultimate success of OpenRigs." |
12:53 |
fluffypony |
not enough BFL |
12:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
"Investors can choose to be silent investors, providing feedback on decisions only,or active investors that play a role in the decision-making process and in the ultimate success of OpenRigs." |
12:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
probably could be written better from there, but yknow |
12:54 |
fluffypony |
ah good point |
12:54 |
Naphex |
who will you exchange with for paybee? |
12:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
you say "it opened its website for trading" |
12:54 |
jurov |
there should be also deaf and deaf-mute investors |
12:55 |
ThickAsThieves |
trading rigs? |
12:56 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: as in "opened for business", will rephrase |
12:56 |
fluffypony |
Naphex: Cryptsy, but it's fairly agnostic to the exchange |
12:56 |
Naphex |
jesus :p |
12:56 |
fluffypony |
they were just the most willing to make the API changes we needed and they have the volume |
12:56 |
ThickAsThieves |
are you Spagni? |
12:56 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: yep |
12:57 |
Naphex |
we're opening our payment services for fiat soonish. |
12:57 |
fluffypony |
Naphex: the whole point of PayBee is *not* to do fiat directly, tho - once the funds are in BTC it goes straight into the merchant's Bitpay account |
12:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13972 @ 0.00095175 = 13.2979 BTC [-] |
12:57 |
Naphex |
but we wouldnlt even think about that before doing the exchange first |
12:58 |
Naphex |
ah so paybee just accepta altcoins? |
12:58 |
Naphex |
then fowards to bitpay? |
12:58 |
fluffypony |
Naphex: yes exactly |
12:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
you mention "competitive advantages" but do you mention notable conpetitors and threats to your plan? |
12:59 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: not so much on the frames side, they're too small to mention, but for PayBee yes |
12:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
so cooling containers are not mentionable? |
13:00 |
fluffypony |
cooling containers? |
13:00 |
ThickAsThieves |
liquid |
13:00 |
* |
fluffypony ponders |
13:00 |
ThickAsThieves |
in other words |
13:00 |
ThickAsThieves |
identify where your target audience might be spending their money instead |
13:01 |
ThickAsThieves |
not who else makes what you make |
13:01 |
fluffypony |
ok good point |
13:01 |
benkay |
fluffypony: i don't really buy your claims about heat flow. those are the kinds of claims that need to be backed by sims and such. |
13:01 |
ThickAsThieves |
"Ofcourse,with |
13:01 |
ThickAsThieves |
the momentarily depressed cryptocurrency economy, OpenRigs is gearing itself up for the next massive wave of |
13:01 |
ThickAsThieves |
purchasers. |
13:01 |
ThickAsThieves |
" |
13:01 |
ThickAsThieves |
that line is shit |
13:01 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-] |
13:01 |
ThickAsThieves |
needs to be more professional and include data |
13:01 |
ThickAsThieves |
or strike it |
13:01 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: point |
13:01 |
benkay |
data |
13:02 |
benkay |
mining |
13:02 |
benkay |
market predictions |
13:02 |
benkay |
i lol'd |
13:02 |
fluffypony |
benkay: we did FLIR imaging when designing, we're waiting for the FLIR camera to be available for rent again so we can have that data accessible |
13:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
you provide some individual profit data per item |
13:03 |
benkay |
that you didn't save your imaging data is a little boggling. |
13:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
but is there also historical totals? |
13:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
and projections? |
13:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
ah i see a graph |
13:04 |
ThickAsThieves |
no numbers? |
13:04 |
fluffypony |
benkay: we weren't able to, the dude that rents them is dumb and only lets you observe, not take actual data (although with the new camera he has apparently he'll give us pics and data after) |
13:05 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: it's purposely light on numbers, I'm not sure whether including all the data on the downward slump inspires investor confidence |
13:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
well hiding it certainly doesnt |
13:05 |
fluffypony |
or whether I'll end up explaining why so much it'll be pages of cruft |
13:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
only cruft if you fluff |
13:06 |
fluffypony |
not hiding it, it's mentioned and detailed, and even obvious in the graph |
13:06 |
fluffypony |
just not full of numbers |
13:06 |
ThickAsThieves |
the graph doesnt show expenses |
13:06 |
fluffypony |
I can add that |
13:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21269 @ 0.00095451 = 20.3015 BTC [+] |
13:07 |
ThickAsThieves |
can you show that continually mining with units you buy for spec purposes is actually more profitable than selling them once you are done building hardware for them? |
13:07 |
ThickAsThieves |
can you show that buying them at all is necessary? |
13:07 |
fluffypony |
ASICs certainly aren't, better to flip them |
13:07 |
fluffypony |
but GPU mining yes, I have a few years of historical data |
13:07 |
ThickAsThieves |
(most units come with size specs, elec specs, etc |
13:07 |
ThickAsThieves |
) |
13:08 |
ThickAsThieves |
that elec cost sheet seems incomplete, i'm pretty sure there are even cheaper places |
13:08 |
benkay |
wouldn't gpu mining cbe require actual power bills? |
13:08 |
ThickAsThieves |
(i'm being a stickler on purpose, take it or leave it) |
13:09 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: it's from here - http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/average-electricity-prices-kwh |
13:09 |
fluffypony |
benkay: yes, but when you're mining scamcoins and dumping them it's always reasonably profitable :-P |
13:09 |
ThickAsThieves |
i'd like to see separate charts and numbers on the mining farm profit/expense |
13:09 |
* |
fluffypony notes |
13:10 |
ThickAsThieves |
the idea being to truly discern whether it drags you down somehow |
13:10 |
ThickAsThieves |
in that sensem it maybe should include man hours |
13:10 |
fluffypony |
ok |
13:10 |
ThickAsThieves |
i think maybe you are conflicted |
13:11 |
ThickAsThieves |
and this isnt just about mining cuz it makes sense |
13:11 |
ThickAsThieves |
but because you desire to |
13:11 |
ThickAsThieves |
particularly evident in your discussion of BFL and preordering |
13:11 |
ThickAsThieves |
sound slike you wanna play the game and take ordering risks, etc |
13:12 |
benkay |
(i've yet to see the mining pitch that actually made sense under real world constraints) |
13:12 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: I like getting stuck into the technical stuff with it, sure, but it *is* a means to an end |
13:12 |
fluffypony |
I don't want to "grow the farm" |
13:12 |
fluffypony |
I can make that clearer in the proposal |
13:12 |
ThickAsThieves |
ok, you mention letting invetsors decide on mining purchases |
13:12 |
ThickAsThieves |
fuck that |
13:12 |
ThickAsThieves |
what do they know |
13:12 |
ThickAsThieves |
thats your job |
13:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
you dont want your investors/board acting as employees |
13:13 |
fluffypony |
fair enough |
13:14 |
fluffypony |
it was more in terms of avoiding scammy pre-orders (mitigating risk) in that space |
13:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
(again these are off-the-hip opinions) |
13:14 |
benkay |
the only thing that makes sense to actually pursue is the rack building thing, and that will live and die by whether or not you can land your asic partner. |
13:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
i see you mention paying out dividends |
13:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.000956 = 5.4492 BTC [+] {2} |
13:15 |
ThickAsThieves |
is this sposed to be like a Havelock IPO or something? |
13:15 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: I changed that to "apportioning net profit" later, forgot to search for earlier occurancess |
13:15 |
fluffypony |
*occurances |
13:15 |
benkay |
everything else is just like "woahaoaowwywowao i want to do all these different bitcoin things!" |
13:15 |
ThickAsThieves |
i'm not sure there should be any talking of sharing profits in any dividend sorta way |
13:16 |
ThickAsThieves |
maybe these are details of negotiation with investors |
13:16 |
ThickAsThieves |
i dunno |
13:16 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: how else do you do it then? as an LoC? |
13:16 |
ThickAsThieves |
i'm sorta with benkay here, the best thing seems to be the hardware |
13:17 |
ThickAsThieves |
well, any time any investor gets money, include you (outside of your salary), they all get their cut |
13:17 |
ThickAsThieves |
being owners n all |
13:17 |
ThickAsThieves |
including* |
13:18 |
benkay |
https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=RENT#ui-tabs-3 |
13:18 |
ThickAsThieves |
RENT still not open for trade? |
13:18 |
ThickAsThieves |
heh |
13:19 |
benkay |
looks like the rentalstarter bagholders grow weary of getting fucked raw. |
13:19 |
ThickAsThieves |
with the incoming Scrypt ASICs, does that threaten efforts like your PCI-e multiplexer? |
13:20 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: scrypt-n and X11 based coins will still need miners, and the BOINC/Folding@Home crowd will need it to |
13:20 |
ThickAsThieves |
word |
13:20 |
fluffypony |
in fact, there's more experimentation with stuff like that being done by the OCLHashCat guys than in the mining community |
13:20 |
fluffypony |
because they're not bound by the confines of "what is the most profitable" bullshit |
13:24 |
ThickAsThieves |
is Zoom Junction affiliated with you or any of your employees or families? |
13:24 |
benkay |
i'm still waiting to see these cellular automota-based PoW coins. |
13:24 |
* |
benkay elbows mike_c |
13:24 |
kakobrekla |
i played that |
13:24 |
ThickAsThieves |
shhh |
13:24 |
kakobrekla |
up 20% atm |
13:24 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: no, I know one of the guys that is involved with it, but no affiliation beyond that |
13:25 |
mike_c |
there is only one coin (beside bitcoin) |
13:25 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06776612 = 0.4066 BTC [+] {2} |
13:25 |
kakobrekla |
o i s |
13:25 |
kakobrekla |
hould stfu? |
13:25 |
mike_c |
no, that's fine |
13:25 |
benkay |
oh look |
13:26 |
benkay |
beans all over the floor |
13:26 |
benkay |
my bad |
13:26 |
fluffypony |
mike_c: TimeKoin? :-P |
13:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
with wanting to spend $7500/mo marketing, it seems even more sensible to focus on hardware over paybee and such |
13:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
just my opinion |
13:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
do one thing right |
13:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
get dem partners etc |
13:26 |
* |
fluffypony nods |
13:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
the "funny postcard" mention is either TMI or not enough |
13:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
i'm not a fan of competitions for marketing |
13:28 |
ThickAsThieves |
but i'm not sure i'd outright forbid them |
13:28 |
fluffypony |
https://forum.feathercoin.com/index.php?/topic/6014-openrigs-review-lulz/ |
13:28 |
ThickAsThieves |
just seems there are better options |
13:28 |
fluffypony |
pic of one of the postcards there |
13:29 |
ThickAsThieves |
yeah, unless it's some super large or innovatibve marketing method, i'm not sure it needs mention |
13:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11615 @ 0.00095175 = 11.0546 BTC [-] |
13:29 |
fluffypony |
ok |
13:29 |
ThickAsThieves |
it seems a little petty in the context |
13:29 |
ThickAsThieves |
same for the corporate gifting and such |
13:30 |
ThickAsThieves |
surely theyd prefer colume discounts or referral programs or whatever |
13:30 |
ThickAsThieves |
volume* |
13:30 |
fluffypony |
we have both |
13:30 |
fluffypony |
it's just been my experience that customers get excited about the most arbitrary stuff |
13:30 |
Naphex |
paybee - personally i'd just stick with btc2fiat and implement locally. |
13:31 |
fluffypony |
Naphex: then we have regulatory issues to deal with |
13:31 |
Naphex |
lawyera |
13:31 |
fluffypony |
we'd have to register as a financial services provider and a deposit taking institution |
13:31 |
Naphex |
lawyers and accountants |
13:31 |
fluffypony |
here it's a ball-ache |
13:31 |
ThickAsThieves |
i could be wrong on the marketing little things, sometimes i get a bit elitist with my views on it |
13:32 |
ThickAsThieves |
i do not mind the mineotaur effort |
13:32 |
ThickAsThieves |
including software as a solution seems appropriate |
13:32 |
Naphex |
fluffypony: is bitcoin recognised as a financial instrument? or 'electronic money' in SA? |
13:32 |
ThickAsThieves |
assuming it's in your wheelhouse |
13:33 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.067 = 0.201 BTC [-] |
13:34 |
fluffypony |
Naphex: nope - official stance from the SARB (reserve bank) is - "Bitcoin has no legal status or a regulatory framework." |
13:34 |
fluffypony |
so the minute we go into fiat we become a financial services provider |
13:35 |
fluffypony |
stay in crypto and we can pretty much do whatever we want |
13:35 |
Naphex |
fluffypony: yeah but youre just sending customer money |
13:35 |
fluffypony |
Naphex: local exchange has 10BTC daily volume, so we'd have to do BitStamp -> us -> international wire |
13:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
you mention $65k for software dev, and that's for a worker doing it in his spare time? |
13:36 |
fluffypony |
we could probably negotiate wire fees with our bank's Forex dept., but I still think we'd be paying a penalty |
13:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
and/or contracters |
13:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
this seems shakey |
13:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
could turn into a black hole of nothing |
13:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
contractors* |
13:36 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: yes - I've got deeper numbers on that that I can include, didn't know if it would be info overload |
13:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
benkay could certainly comment on that aspect better thabn myself |
13:36 |
Naphex |
fluffypony: yes, and add a buffer at your local bank |
13:37 |
ThickAsThieves |
the PayBee logo is horrible |
13:37 |
fluffypony |
lol |
13:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5135 @ 0.00095129 = 4.8849 BTC [-] |
13:37 |
benkay |
software in spare time |
13:37 |
benkay |
always a great idea |
13:37 |
benkay |
always |
13:38 |
ThickAsThieves |
the other brands seem decent though |
13:38 |
ThickAsThieves |
Paybee looks like something fiverr shat out |
13:38 |
fluffypony |
I'll get the designer to rethink it |
13:39 |
ThickAsThieves |
or rename it |
13:39 |
ThickAsThieves |
and/or |
13:39 |
fluffypony |
yeah, so that's placeholder branding then :-P |
13:39 |
benkay |
fluffypony: what pays your rent right now? |
13:40 |
fluffypony |
benkay: I draw a salary at a group level |
13:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
if you must have Bee, then BeePay |
13:40 |
benkay |
a salary from this group of companies? |
13:40 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: the Bee was only for the .ee domain hack |
13:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's okay domain hacks dont add success rate |
13:40 |
fluffypony |
benkay: no - the GearTribe Group, has a 5% stake in OpenRigs |
13:40 |
fluffypony |
and a bunch of other companies |
13:41 |
ThickAsThieves |
are you represented within the 5% of GearTribe's too? |
13:41 |
ThickAsThieves |
as in, are you separately part of GearTribe |
13:41 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: yes |
13:41 |
ThickAsThieves |
probly should disclose such |
13:42 |
fluffypony |
I did at the beginning I think |
13:42 |
fluffypony |
I'll double check |
13:42 |
fluffypony |
"OpenRigs is member of the GearTribe group of companies, of which Riccardo Spagni is one of the group directors" |
13:42 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52970385 BTC [+] |
13:42 |
fluffypony |
first sentence under Company Structure |
13:43 |
ThickAsThieves |
ah, what % of GearTribe is you? |
13:43 |
fluffypony |
35% |
13:43 |
ThickAsThieves |
maybe say so |
13:43 |
fluffypony |
ok cool |
13:43 |
ThickAsThieves |
"0-confirmationdepositsfromourwalletsinordertoensurethattradesaremadeassoonaspossiblebefore |
13:43 |
ThickAsThieves |
themarketshifts." |
13:44 |
ThickAsThieves |
that's not exactly ensuring |
13:44 |
benkay |
;;ticker |
13:44 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 485.24, Best ask: 486.92, Bid-ask spread: 1.68000, Last trade: 486.92, 24 hour volume: 6945.06957363, 24 hour low: 484.62, 24 hour high: 496.1, 24 hour vwap: 490.015634959 |
13:44 |
ThickAsThieves |
why not just be transparent about what you seel and when |
13:44 |
ThickAsThieves |
be verifiable rather than make promises |
13:44 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: it's not 0-conf to us, it's 0-conf between us and them |
13:44 |
ThickAsThieves |
i know |
13:44 |
ThickAsThieves |
butthere is still delay right? |
13:44 |
ThickAsThieves |
from fsrm to the exchange |
13:45 |
ThickAsThieves |
farm* |
13:45 |
fluffypony |
they do the trade the second we initiate the send |
13:45 |
fluffypony |
if the send fails we go into negative that is caught up later |
13:45 |
fluffypony |
eventual consistency :-P |
13:45 |
ThickAsThieves |
negative what? |
13:45 |
fluffypony |
in other words |
13:46 |
fluffypony |
when the trade happens our account on the exchange goes -100 ATC +0.5 BTC |
13:46 |
fluffypony |
when the deposit confirms on the exchange it goes 0 ATC |
13:46 |
fluffypony |
*back to 0 |
13:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00095733 = 35.3255 BTC [+] {2} |
13:47 |
ThickAsThieves |
so you sell the coins before they are even deposited? |
13:47 |
Naphex |
so what happens if you get attacked with double spends |
13:47 |
benkay |
sparta |
13:47 |
fluffypony |
before they're confirmed, yes |
13:47 |
Naphex |
what trades? |
13:47 |
ThickAsThieves |
opm? |
13:47 |
fluffypony |
Naphex: how? they don't have our privkey to double-spend |
13:48 |
Naphex |
well where do you get confirmation data from? |
13:48 |
fluffypony |
the coins are already confirmed on our side |
13:48 |
fluffypony |
this is between us and the exchange |
13:48 |
Naphex |
ah |
13:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
"o CoinhasanenabledBTCmarketonCryptsywithmorethan$1000worthofbuyorders" |
13:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
why isnt ATC on cryptsy then!> |
13:49 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: I would write them a strongly worded letter! |
13:49 |
benkay |
your counterparty is accepting zero-confs |
13:49 |
benkay |
this is a red flag. |
13:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
the whole Paybee thing is a deterrent |
13:50 |
benkay |
the whole thing is low-margin madness. |
13:50 |
kakobrekla |
ThickAsThieves atc has over 1k bids? |
13:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
what if some countries apply money laundering laws to inter-crypto trade? |
13:50 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: https://www.cryptsy.com/coinvotes - get them to add it there and you can buy votes :-P |
13:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
nice |
13:51 |
jurov |
ThickAsThieves: how would they enforce? |
13:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
by forcing an entity in their country to enact AML |
13:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
and cooperate with providing logs or whateverthefuck |
13:52 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: if a country banned inter-crypto trades that would affect the exchange primarily? |
13:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
i didnt say banned |
13:52 |
fluffypony |
oh AML |
13:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
i'm just exploring whether you are exposed to red tape |
13:52 |
fluffypony |
well |
13:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
basically |
13:52 |
fluffypony |
we aren't required (right now) to KYC to receive crypto |
13:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
if i love your mining rig idea |
13:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
i have to also love your trade idea |
13:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
this is a problem |
13:53 |
fluffypony |
the exchange can be required to KYC us as the depositer |
13:53 |
fluffypony |
ok so then I split it out |
13:53 |
fluffypony |
separate the entities |
13:53 |
mrstickball |
ThickAsThieves: what was fluffypony's rig idea? |
13:54 |
Naphex |
this is in paybee context yes? |
13:54 |
fluffypony |
Naphex: yes |
13:54 |
Naphex |
does paybee accept 0conf? |
13:54 |
fluffypony |
mrstickball: the frames etc. |
13:54 |
mrstickball |
I see |
13:54 |
fluffypony |
Naphex: not a chance |
13:54 |
mrstickball |
didn't know if there was something else to it |
13:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
lol |
13:55 |
ThickAsThieves |
you have less money allocated to building this Paybee thing |
13:55 |
Naphex |
ok. does paybee issue 'different' pub addresses for deposits/payments |
13:55 |
ThickAsThieves |
than the mining software? |
13:55 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: because I've done most of the underlying work, it's just front-end crap that needs to be done |
13:55 |
ThickAsThieves |
dont you have like major security hurdles? |
13:55 |
mircea_popescu |
this latest hearn bullshit is even more laughable than gmaxwell's previous attack. |
13:55 |
mircea_popescu |
who the fuck needs protection from bitundo ? |
13:55 |
mircea_popescu |
i can not be bitundone. nobody sane can. wtf. |
13:55 |
Naphex |
dunno |
13:56 |
Naphex |
does anyone use bitundo? |
13:56 |
mircea_popescu |
"let's solve problems that don't exist through breaking the bitcoin protocol" |
13:56 |
fluffypony |
Naphex: kind-of - a payment is only possible for 15 mins, so an address can be re-used every few hours |
13:56 |
fluffypony |
doesn't have to be completely fresh |
13:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
of course no one uses bitundo |
13:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
Hearn is either a devil, or has some kind of offense to people poking at bitcoin |
13:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
like Luke-Jr barring sdice tx |
13:57 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves more like, they developed bitundo |
13:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
children |
13:58 |
mircea_popescu |
nao trying to pass it off as somehow relevant. |
13:58 |
Naphex |
fluffypony: plenty of room for explotation there. which will bug out and might cause your 0conf balance to go wildly negative |
13:58 |
Naphex |
lots of edge cases |
13:58 |
fluffypony |
Naphex: if someone makes a late payment, for eg.? |
13:58 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla you there ? |
13:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
so fluffypony |
13:59 |
Naphex |
fluffypony: a lot of the cases are around how you aquire and track tx data |
13:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
overall, |
13:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
what i see is a nice little hardware business, with ideas about what it could branch to |
13:59 |
Naphex |
that might easily cause problems with a bad implo |
13:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
getting bogged down by a load of shit |
13:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC |
13:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
you ask for $350k when $100k would take you a long way if you focused |
14:00 |
fluffypony |
Naphex: we watch the address for the amount requested; if it appears we know it's paid, if it doesn't (wrong amount, too late) we can't "contact the client" to let them know - they have to contact us and say "ohai, I screwed up" |
14:00 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: appreciate the input, I'll work a bit more on splitting it out |
14:00 |
Naphex |
fluffypony: what happens if i senf a tx to multiple addresses you track |
14:00 |
Naphex |
send* |
14:01 |
Naphex |
and send 0.1 to each |
14:01 |
fluffypony |
Naphex: doesn't matter, we're expecting 0.5 to address X, not to the "wallet" as a whole |
14:01 |
ThickAsThieves |
note i'm not saying split it out |
14:01 |
ThickAsThieves |
i'm saying the extra shit should be tabled til the other parts are fully grown |
14:02 |
* |
fluffypony ponders |
14:03 |
Naphex |
fluffypony: yeah but in my case you are receiving 4 payments in the same tx |
14:03 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: so then would it be better to 1. keep everything in but stagger the funding (eg. 100k now, another 100k when X milestones reached, etc.), or 2. take stuff out and then seek further funding later |
14:03 |
Naphex |
to 4 different addresses that you track awaiting payment |
14:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00095846 = 16.4855 BTC [+] {2} |
14:03 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo: Let's narrow it. Yugo, Romanian or Russian? Which SKS handles "mice" best << i doubt yo ucould shoot mice indoors. |
14:03 |
fluffypony |
Naphex: sure, but we aren't watching transactions |
14:04 |
BingoBoingo |
Eh |
14:04 |
fluffypony |
Naphex: have you worked with listreceivedbyaddress at all? |
14:04 |
ThickAsThieves |
well, in my opinion, i think the hardware business is the most sensible aspect, and then the mineotour stuff a nice thing to branch into |
14:04 |
ThickAsThieves |
so maybe 2 phases |
14:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
and 1 paybee gets tabled to be revisited in a year or whatever |
14:05 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: ok cool, I'll start reworking |
14:06 |
fluffypony |
thanks for all the input everyone |
14:06 |
fluffypony |
Naphex: getting back to what you were saying - listreceivedbyaddress <minconf=1> <includeempty=false> |
14:07 |
fluffypony |
so we poll that |
14:07 |
Naphex |
ah |
14:07 |
fluffypony |
and once an amount is available in an address for the minimum number of confs it's in the json |
14:07 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [-] |
14:08 |
fluffypony |
(listreceivedbyaddress shows a "running total", of sorts, so you have to know what the previous value was to spot that it's changed, but that's trivial" |
14:09 |
Naphex |
fluffypony: i know, a lot of implos i reviewex had very bugged tracking |
14:09 |
Naphex |
thats why i was asking |
14:09 |
fluffypony |
Naphex: yeah I know, I struggled with the dynamics for a while before settling on "just poll the daemon" |
14:09 |
fluffypony |
early attempts were "just watch the blockchain", but altcoins implementations are so ridiculous |
14:10 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: wth, you have mice indoors? |
14:11 |
mircea_popescu |
http://bit.ly/1lFMuuB << check out that shit. 3 > 2 > 1 > 7 > 8 > 9 |
14:11 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex presumably he's not about to run amok on a field shooting mice |
14:12 |
BingoBoingo |
Turns out it actually was a mouse and I had managed to dispatch it by stepping on it |
14:12 |
Naphex |
:)) |
14:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
"Supreme Court says child porn victims can claim payment from anyone who has their images" |
14:15 |
ThickAsThieves |
incentive? |
14:15 |
Naphex |
cp royalties? |
14:15 |
Naphex |
wtfux |
14:15 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/459032829788430337 |
14:16 |
mircea_popescu |
danke :) |
14:16 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex joint and several liability. |
14:16 |
ThickAsThieves |
:) |
14:17 |
ThickAsThieves |
The ".farm" TLD is now available. |
14:17 |
mircea_popescu |
im curious if they'll STILL pretend like "nobody is pointing and laughing at the naked emperor". |
14:17 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla yeah, i did know. |
14:18 |
mircea_popescu |
!up zedong |
14:18 |
assbot |
Voicing zedong for 30 minutes. |
14:19 |
BingoBoingo |
benkay: So yeah, hangovers still a thing |
14:19 |
mircea_popescu |
speaking of cube sats : romania's first and so far only sat, a 10cm cube, was launched last year |
14:19 |
mircea_popescu |
it failed within a week. |
14:19 |
ThickAsThieves |
how come all the newer ones fail sooner? |
14:19 |
benkay |
3d printers :D |
14:20 |
mircea_popescu |
how come coca cola sucks now. etc |
14:20 |
ThickAsThieves |
even space cant escapt the walmart effect |
14:21 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony: davout: they're probably thinking they can just send a Raspberry Pi and an SSD up and it'll work <<< they shouldn't have to spring for a ssd. |
14:21 |
fluffypony |
BingoBoingo: must we type quietly? |
14:21 |
mircea_popescu |
can't they just store it all in the cloud ? |
14:21 |
ThickAsThieves |
they can't hear you save-a-lot in space |
14:21 |
mircea_popescu |
amazon should pay for it, because this is so innovative and forward thinking anyway |
14:21 |
benkay |
well there's spacex, doing reusable launch vehicles |
14:21 |
mircea_popescu |
they'd recoup it all in no time because they'll get reddit gold and forum love. |
14:22 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: maybe Amazon can just arrange for the CubeSat to be delivered into space by quadcopter |
14:22 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06544472 = 0.6544 BTC [-] |
14:22 |
Naphex |
what else is there to live for? |
14:22 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony i like asciilifeform |
14:22 |
mircea_popescu |
s sonar idea. |
14:22 |
mircea_popescu |
should be on a sat. |
14:23 |
mircea_popescu |
Dogecoin Low Orbiting Quadcopter-Launched, Sonar Linked Cloud Sattelite Without Carbon Footprint. |
14:23 |
mircea_popescu |
DLOQLSLCSWCF |
14:23 |
fluffypony |
lol |
14:23 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
no carbon footprint!!! |
14:23 |
fluffypony |
let's write a whitepaper and raise funds |
14:23 |
mircea_popescu |
it's for porn. |
14:23 |
fluffypony |
we'll call it "Proof of Launch" |
14:23 |
mircea_popescu |
more like "proof of drool" |
14:24 |
fluffypony |
basically everyone sends funds to a Bitcoin address, and then we convert that to SateliteCoinz that we give them |
14:24 |
fluffypony |
and then we spend all the money and don't do anything |
14:24 |
mircea_popescu |
btw davout that blondie said she's got tickets to whatever concert tonight. |
14:25 |
fluffypony |
https://blockchain.info/address/1KHfLixa2idRnZXMUfEisBati1vpywaH6E <- MaidScam raised 6240 BTC so far |
14:25 |
ozbot |
Bitcoin Address 1KHfLixa2idRnZXMUfEisBati1vpywaH6E |
14:25 |
fluffypony |
I swear, all you need is a whitepaper and a few media interviews |
14:25 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony let me let you in on a secret |
14:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.0009596 = 9.9798 BTC [+] {2} |
14:26 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
#bitcoin-assets secrets |
14:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
there's no way in hell that much coin was spent on MaidSafe |
14:26 |
mircea_popescu |
!up joecool |
14:26 |
assbot |
Voicing joecool for 30 minutes. |
14:26 |
joecool |
thanks |
14:26 |
mircea_popescu |
;;seen gribble |
14:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's smoke and mirrors |
14:26 |
mircea_popescu |
hm. if gribble is not here to have not seen gribble, is gribble really gone ? |
14:27 |
mircea_popescu |
well if the secret is not really obivous : neobee claimed to have raised 5k btc. but they lied. |
14:27 |
joecool |
gribble will live on in our memory |
14:27 |
mircea_popescu |
the reason they lied is that the fuckwits on the forum like to invest if they perceive others have. |
14:27 |
joecool |
(and logs) |
14:27 |
mircea_popescu |
not that the fiat venture circuit is any different. we had a lol over this @con |
14:27 |
mircea_popescu |
!up the20year |
14:27 |
assbot |
Voicing the20year for 30 minutes. |
14:28 |
ThickAsThieves |
at my expense :) |
14:28 |
mircea_popescu |
the20year well if no gribble it's problematic. |
14:28 |
joecool |
so romania's space program is neck and neck with DPRK's? |
14:28 |
the20year |
Is there a way to ID with gribble if he isn't here? |
14:28 |
the20year |
Romania doesn't have MRBMs |
14:28 |
ThickAsThieves |
coincidentally i just emailed the software guys |
14:28 |
mircea_popescu |
joecool hardly. |
14:28 |
the20year |
Which is only slightly worse than DPRK |
14:28 |
ThickAsThieves |
told em to get into the channel |
14:28 |
ThickAsThieves |
so we'll see |
14:30 |
the20year |
We located a potential property #7 |
14:30 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: hitbtc says they got 7m usd, in investments |
14:31 |
ThickAsThieves |
how is the 3PO going the20tear? |
14:34 |
benkay |
ThickAsThieves: software aguys? |
14:34 |
the20year |
Decent, started great, has slowed down. Could be due to market, could be due to dropping out on the CREI stuff |
14:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
benkay, the software team that was making all the Neo stuff, got stranded, etc |
14:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
they have a plan to stay afloat |
14:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
i told em to come here for trial by fire |
14:36 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06776309 = 0.2033 BTC [+] |
14:37 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: are they locals or did some relocate there? |
14:37 |
Naphex |
neo drama killed lots of its momentum imo |
14:38 |
Naphex |
if not all |
14:41 |
benkay |
17,790 sold first week of 3PO; 1,465 second week, 1,785 third week. any estimates on how long it's going to take to clear the rest of your sale, the20year? |
14:41 |
ThickAsThieves |
they are based in cyprus |
14:41 |
ThickAsThieves |
two guys plus a whole team they hired |
14:42 |
fluffypony |
sucks |
14:42 |
ThickAsThieves |
they got about 80% done with varioud Neo projects and were never fully paid |
14:42 |
fluffypony |
find someone to relocate them to South Africa |
14:42 |
ThickAsThieves |
but will scrap all that stuff |
14:42 |
fluffypony |
I'll sort them out |
14:42 |
ThickAsThieves |
they have new ideas |
14:42 |
benkay |
ideas, you say... |
14:42 |
ThickAsThieves |
the sort i am not familiar with |
14:42 |
benkay |
STRANGE IDEAS, YOU SAY! |
14:43 |
benkay |
perhaps wifi in the cardano. |
14:43 |
ThickAsThieves |
and generally i met these guys and like them as people, so would hope that any bad ideas can be squashed earlier than later |
14:43 |
ThickAsThieves |
and maybe the crew here can help them see any weaknesses |
14:43 |
Naphex |
everybody throw a btc idea out there, as fast as possible :p |
14:43 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0679895 = 0.6119 BTC [+] {2} |
14:43 |
benkay |
sharpie in pooper |
14:44 |
ThickAsThieves |
nah i think their focus is in providing specialized bitcoin software solutions |
14:44 |
ThickAsThieves |
thin clients and other mumbo jumbo i no nothing about |
14:44 |
ThickAsThieves |
know* |
14:44 |
benkay |
well get 'em in there |
14:44 |
benkay |
here |
14:44 |
benkay |
wherever |
14:45 |
fluffypony |
benkay: sharpie in pooper = warm storage? |
14:45 |
ThickAsThieves |
hopefully this week benkay |
14:45 |
ThickAsThieves |
assuming they dont chicken out |
14:45 |
the20year |
Benkay, at this rate 3-4 more weeks, but the funding ends on the 7th whether they sell or not |
14:52 |
mike_c |
ThickAsThieves: i believe it was you who was talking about timestamps on blocks. See here how it is unreliable in practice: http://i.imgur.com/i6Xa7Qd.png |
14:53 |
mike_c |
some altcoin miner has a bad system clock. |
14:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
it was me, i forget the topic |
14:53 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3500 @ 0.00013124 = 0.4593 BTC [-] {3} |
14:53 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0683931 = 0.4104 BTC [+] |
14:54 |
mircea_popescu |
<ThickAsThieves> they got about 80% done with varioud Neo projects and were never fully paid <<< unless some greenhorn makes the mistake of "buying it", in which case the 80% turns into... nothing at all. |
14:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
their lawyers say to scrap it regardless |
14:54 |
the20year |
who's lawyers? |
14:55 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: "btw davout that blondie said she's got tickets to whatever concert tonight." <<< wat |
14:55 |
ThickAsThieves |
programming consultants for Neo |
14:55 |
mircea_popescu |
<ThickAsThieves> and generally i met these guys and like them as people, so would hope that any bad ideas can be squashed earlier than later << except that's not what they want. they want their stupidity to be empowered by incompetent management, exactly like brewster. which is why they worked for him rather than for me. the only thing they'd do differently, the ONLY thing, would be for it to "work" this time. by itsel |
14:55 |
mircea_popescu |
f. they're great, as they are. |
14:55 |
mircea_popescu |
davout Oleanie joined, so whadda ya expect. |
14:55 |
ThickAsThieves |
lol |
14:56 |
davout |
oh, the other blondie |
14:56 |
mircea_popescu |
the other blondie has a peen |
14:57 |
mircea_popescu |
dude this fucking log. am i ever going through it! |
14:58 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: my fucking log is pretty packed too, gotta buy a new one |
14:58 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
14:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
in debating whether to go to Amsterdam next month, my wife "you can't just go to Europe every month!" me: "why not? i can do whatever i want" |
14:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
she didnt know what to say |
14:59 |
mircea_popescu |
http://moneygunsweed.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/killian-skarr-sex-machine03-500x666.jpg << the fcking log. |
14:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
yikes |
14:59 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjCHD41I7ok |
14:59 |
davout |
ew |
14:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
lol |
15:00 |
fluffypony |
da fuq |
15:00 |
fluffypony |
do not want |
15:00 |
mircea_popescu |
!up BigBitz |
15:00 |
assbot |
Voicing BigBitz for 30 minutes. |
15:00 |
mircea_popescu |
;;gettrust assbot BigBitz |
15:00 |
gribble |
Currently authenticated from hostmask BigBitz!~BigBitz@dab.stonabox.me. Trust relationship from user assbot to user BigBitz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=BigBitz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BigBitz | Rated since: Fri Apr 26 11:13:53 2013 |
15:00 |
BigBitz |
thx. |
15:00 |
mircea_popescu |
BigBitz you id with gribble then pm assbot !up |
15:00 |
BigBitz |
;;ident |
15:00 |
gribble |
Nick 'BigBitz', with hostmask 'BigBitz!~BigBitz@dab.stonabox.me', is identified as user 'BigBitz', with GPG key id AB6B34E4289B7F96, key fingerprint E6D96C3A035A057AD9DD8A9DAB6B34E4289B7F96, and bitcoin address 1BigBitzyouKT2eVYvHbRUNMkCp9bvAvSu |
15:00 |
BigBitz |
Ah !up - didn't know the command. :) |
15:01 |
BigBitz |
ThickAsThieves go to Amsterdam. It's nice :) |
15:01 |
mircea_popescu |
HeySteve: "for the amount saved in mass, you may like to add extra avionics to BitSat." << satellite avionics ? |
15:01 |
ThickAsThieves |
BigBitz, I've been, twice |
15:01 |
BigBitz |
ThickAsThieves third time will be a charm then. |
15:02 |
ThickAsThieves |
just $1800 to fly and attend the conference |
15:02 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: so then come to glorious South Africa! |
15:02 |
BigBitz |
Meh isn't the AMS conference a flop? |
15:02 |
asciilifeform |
which one of you weirdos was hunting mice with a mosin. |
15:02 |
asciilifeform |
or did i dream this |
15:02 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony: |
15:02 |
mircea_popescu |
"An SSD is non-magnetic storage, there is not really any protection needed. Put a metal case around it and im pretty sure it can drop from the atmosphere into the ground at free fall speed and still operate once free'd from the metal casing" <<< pretty sure is magic! |
15:02 |
assbot |
Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1793270/plain/) |
15:02 |
mircea_popescu |
!b 1 |
15:02 |
BigBitz |
I want to go to South Africa, actually, fluffypony. |
15:02 |
* |
fluffypony has wine |
15:02 |
fluffypony |
BigBitz: let me know if you want to come, you can take a turn past us and we can see how many bottles of wine we can get through |
15:03 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: yeah that quote broke my brain |
15:03 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: you should see where the comment thread went to from there, that guy was an idiot |
15:03 |
BigBitz |
fluffypony, awesome. I want go to Safari. |
15:03 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony there's a reason i don't read these things. |
15:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
i do have all these euros i converted at the airport that were of no use in ROmania |
15:04 |
fluffypony |
BigBitz: so many awesome safari places near us and up near Kruger park, so for definite let me know :) |
15:04 |
BigBitz |
Awesome. If I am there I will hit you up. :) |
15:04 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform that zimbabwe oil thing and the peron cold fusion thing should make babies. |
15:04 |
asciilifeform |
loltron! |
15:04 |
TomServo |
asciilifeform: I believe BingoBoingo was inquiring about the rifles. |
15:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
<+fluffypony> ThickAsThieves: so then come to glorious South Africa! // my wife would be into that |
15:05 |
asciilifeform |
the baby will incubate in the '90s 'elbrus' supercomputer |
15:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
she wants to save the animals |
15:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
and pet them |
15:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
etc |
15:05 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves so you shoot them, she hurries them to the animal er. |
15:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
lol |
15:05 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: we're literally 20kms from Jukani - http://www.jukani.co.za |
15:05 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm the only one here that's actually shot things btw ? |
15:05 |
benkay |
negatron. |
15:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
how dare you, knowing of my scarred upbringing! |
15:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
i shot things |
15:05 |
mircea_popescu |
that's good then. |
15:06 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: I have, then I married a vegetarian, now I have to do it on the sly |
15:06 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves i mean things with a pulse. |
15:06 |
ThickAsThieves |
ive skinned things alive |
15:06 |
benkay |
i've also done the dirty work of laying birds in the field. |
15:06 |
ThickAsThieves |
:/ |
15:06 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony maybe you should marry ThickAsThieves and your blondie his. |
15:06 |
fluffypony |
hah hah |
15:07 |
fluffypony |
#bitcoin-assets...making swinging...interesting since April, 2012 |
15:07 |
ThickAsThieves |
i dont think any live thing i shot at ever connected |
15:07 |
ThickAsThieves |
my dad had to take over |
15:07 |
ThickAsThieves |
he still does bow hunting |
15:07 |
ThickAsThieves |
he actually was a gundealer for a while |
15:08 |
mod6 |
i shoot phesants every fall. |
15:08 |
mod6 |
tasty too! |
15:08 |
ThickAsThieves |
ive killed many sea creatures though |
15:08 |
ThickAsThieves |
various methods |
15:08 |
fluffypony |
mod6: I read that as "I shoot peasants" and I was like "ooooh, he must live in Australia" |
15:08 |
ThickAsThieves |
lol |
15:08 |
mod6 |
haha |
15:09 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex here's a joke for you : |
15:09 |
mircea_popescu |
two gypsies doing crossword puzzle. "haoleo metal prehtios din patru litere minca |
15:09 |
mircea_popescu |
-ti-as" |
15:09 |
mircea_popescu |
*din trei litere |
15:10 |
mircea_popescu |
"haur!" "hala-i din patru mo!" |
15:10 |
mircea_popescu |
"fer" |
15:11 |
Naphex |
:)) |
15:13 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla: |
15:13 |
mircea_popescu |
ah lol davout http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=102 , i had _exactly_ (down to the number) the same argument << maybe you two should exchange wives for a summer ? |
15:13 |
TomServo |
and see who comes back with a better rating? |
15:14 |
mircea_popescu |
lol good one. |
15:14 |
davout |
TomServo: lol |
15:14 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony: well I suppose it's better than the "how come when you messaged that you love me you only put 2 exclamation marks when I put 4?" argument <<< you know, there's a relation between the welt count per butt and domestic bliss. |
15:15 |
mircea_popescu |
(if you're any good you can make them look like exclamation points, too) |
15:15 |
kakobrekla |
not looking so much for exchanging as to adding. |
15:15 |
fluffypony |
hah hah |
15:16 |
mircea_popescu |
(also notice that my comment was gender-neutral) |
15:16 |
fluffypony |
some prefer to bend, some prefer to send, I don't judge |
15:17 |
mircea_popescu |
moiety: voxer gives a location point on a map, thats even worse, i used to get "why were you not at your house?" << oi. ok that takes the fucking cake. |
15:17 |
mircea_popescu |
"because i felt like swallowing and i was fresh out of frozen splooge." |
15:17 |
kakobrekla |
http://eprint.iacr.org/2014/248 |
15:17 |
ozbot |
Cryptology ePrint Archive: Report 2014/248 |
15:18 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: not only that |
15:18 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: xen, for instance, emulates a NIC with... promiscuous mode |
15:18 |
asciilifeform |
why? ask it, not me |
15:18 |
fluffypony |
asciilifeform: ouch |
15:20 |
asciilifeform |
in general, 'don't install toilet in kitchen' |
15:21 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPBy7XXmylo#t=170 |
15:21 |
chetty |
asciilifeform, that sounds like a murican label |
15:21 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i once rescued a damsel from a situation where her living space consisted of... kitchen. you could shower over the "toilet", and there was a small stove nearby. |
15:22 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: ussr? |
15:22 |
mircea_popescu |
worse. |
15:22 |
mircea_popescu |
davout passed it along |
15:22 |
asciilifeform |
пааааартия ленинааааа! |
15:22 |
kakobrekla |
doesnt count, too easy, no effort. |
15:23 |
davout |
what do you mean? |
15:23 |
mircea_popescu |
davout i'm not the one that lost me A FORTUNE in bitcoinz |
15:23 |
davout |
aah i see |
15:23 |
mircea_popescu |
"MILK FUTURES RISE TO RECORD $24.29 PER 100 LBS IN CHICAGO. Who needs food anyway" << clearly, BingoBoingo isn't telling us everything. |
15:24 |
mircea_popescu |
sitting here scamming us about how he drinks hooch etc. |
15:24 |
asciilifeform |
milk from what species. |
15:24 |
mircea_popescu |
http://pando.com/2014/04/23/the-revolving-door-between-google-and-the-department-of-defense/ |
15:24 |
ozbot |
The revolving door between Google and the Department of Defense | PandoDaily |
15:25 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform bos taurus ? |
15:25 |
asciilifeform |
that has to be cheaper |
15:25 |
moiety |
mircea_popescu: that was the tip of the iceberg with that dude, total idiot. also, shower/kitchen is better than no living space at all! |
15:25 |
chetty |
http://news.sky.com/story/1247985/raf-jet-chases-russian-planes-away-from-uk |
15:25 |
ozbot |
RAF Jet Chases Russian Planes Away From UK |
15:26 |
mircea_popescu |
moiety well, independence, you know ? |
15:26 |
mircea_popescu |
davout "technique and shit. i should've fucking figured that the french are going to pwn anything involving diddlage" ~mpoe-pr |
15:27 |
mircea_popescu |
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/04/quentin-tarantinos-lawsuit-against-gawker-thrown-out-of-court/ << lels. |
15:27 |
davout |
in which dictionary am i fucking supposed to look up "diddlage" |
15:27 |
moiety |
urban |
15:27 |
asciilifeform |
davout: dildonics |
15:28 |
davout |
;;ud diddlage |
15:28 |
gribble |
Google found nothing. |
15:28 |
asciilifeform |
;;ud dildonics |
15:28 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dildonics | Probably a lot of lesbians have degrees in dildonics. Sometimes a fag named TJ sneaks in a warehouse and frolics around in a pile of dirty dildos. What a dildo. |
15:28 |
ozbot |
Urban Dictionary: dildonics |
15:28 |
davout |
bwah |
15:28 |
moiety |
!up Mats_cd03 |
15:28 |
assbot |
Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes. |
15:28 |
Mats_cd03 |
:D |
15:29 |
Mats_cd03 |
moiety, you know, youre my favorite |
15:29 |
fluffypony |
;;ud dildotics |
15:29 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dildotics | Jan 13, 2008 ... dill-dod-iks; noun or adj. The science or study of dildos and the origin of their creation. Trademarked by Dildotics Incorporated, circa 2002. Adv.. |
15:29 |
ozbot |
Urban Dictionary: dildotics |
15:30 |
mircea_popescu |
davout prolly the act of diddling. |
15:30 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google to diddle |
15:30 |
gribble |
Urban Dictionary: diddle: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=diddle>; diddle - definition of diddle by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus ...: <http://www.thefreedictionary.com/diddle>; Diddle - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/diddle> |
15:31 |
moiety |
am i the only one that ups you or something Mats_cd03 |
15:31 |
davout |
moiety: that sounds a little dirty |
15:31 |
Mats_cd03 |
hey, this is only the second time |
15:32 |
fluffypony |
Mats_cd03: they say you never forget your first time |
15:32 |
moiety |
davout: dude, i never think about that shit before i hit enter. i do it all the damn time, sorry |
15:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32383 @ 0.00095377 = 30.8859 BTC [-] |
15:32 |
Mats_cd03 |
usually i pester benkay, but hes probably wasted and tryna molest a deer in the woods |
15:33 |
moiety |
benkay broke me in before kakobrekla showed me how to do it myself ;P |
15:33 |
moiety |
i do know how that sounded though lol |
15:34 |
benkay |
wat |
15:34 |
benkay |
oh a Mats_cd03 |
15:34 |
Naphex |
balauru inseamna pacatul, preotii recomanda rugaciunile pentru a proteja animalele din ogara |
15:34 |
Naphex |
just heard on tv. |
15:34 |
Naphex |
only in romania |
15:35 |
asciilifeform |
! |
15:35 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony: https://openrigs.com/download/proposal.pdf << ditch the pdf srsly. |
15:35 |
fluffypony |
Naphex: translate plx, Google translate results are confusing |
15:35 |
Mats_cd03 |
i can translate that |
15:35 |
Mats_cd03 |
it has 'animal' in it, so he must be talking about animals |
15:35 |
mircea_popescu |
"dragon means sin, teh priests recomend prayer to protect domestic animals" |
15:35 |
Naphex |
fluffypony: its the same in romania |
15:35 |
fluffypony |
lol |
15:36 |
Naphex |
was on the news |
15:36 |
benkay |
har if only i'd had the pleasure of breaking you in, moiety |
15:36 |
fluffypony |
makes more sense than Google translate: "Balauru means sin, priests prayers recommend to protect animals from Greyhound" |
15:36 |
asciilifeform |
i must still be in me dream. perhaps i should go back & finish sinking the nazi sub. |
15:36 |
mircea_popescu |
lol greyhound |
15:36 |
Naphex |
hehe |
15:36 |
kakobrekla |
re openrigs . the whole things is a fad just like diy water cooling was a fad 10 or 15 years ago |
15:36 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves: isnt the "Bee" brand kinda taboo now? << very. |
15:37 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla you gotta put the boards somewhere no ? |
15:37 |
* |
mircea_popescu is not a hardware guy. |
15:37 |
asciilifeform |
can't help but think of cleopatra's alleged diddlomat. glass, filled with bees. |
15:37 |
Mats_cd03 |
wat |
15:37 |
fluffypony |
kakobrekla: that's fine, I'm not aiming to create a massive company that will be around forever, quite happy riding a wave, making money, and letting it wind down as we transition to the next thing |
15:38 |
benkay |
hey mircea_popescu and asciilifeform now that you've demo'd the cardano for the elite when do you start taking our btc for them? |
15:38 |
fluffypony |
as long as that wave is 5+ years and not 6 months |
15:38 |
Mats_cd03 |
ive heard of gerbils, but this bees thing is new to me |
15:38 |
fluffypony |
Mats_cd03: Neo & Bee |
15:38 |
mircea_popescu |
benkay that's a good question. |
15:38 |
Mats_cd03 |
^re: cleopatra |
15:39 |
moiety |
will iget kicked for life if i say i thought the cardanos were cute? |
15:39 |
asciilifeform |
why does everybody love pre-orders so much ? so they can bitch when conveyor delay? |
15:39 |
benkay |
i said nothing about pre-orders, asciilifeform. |
15:39 |
kakobrekla |
actually its even worse, the goal of water cooling was to spend money and look good, the goal of rigs is to make money looking like an idiot |
15:39 |
asciilifeform |
;;google cleopatra bee vibrator |
15:39 |
gribble |
The Bizarre History of the Vibrator: From Cleopatra's Angry Bees to ...: <http://gizmodo.com/5909857/the-bizarre-history-of-the-vibrator-from-cleopatras-angry-bees-to-steam-powered-dildos>; Cleopatra's sex toy made of bees - snopes.com: <http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=82547>; The Long, Strange History of Sex Toys | Alternet: <http://www.alternet.org/sex-amp- (1 more message) |
15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ticker |
15:39 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 485.18, Best ask: 487.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.82000, Last trade: 487.0, 24 hour volume: 6238.13274079, 24 hour low: 484.61, 24 hour high: 495.2, 24 hour vwap: 0 |
15:40 |
mircea_popescu |
vwap 0 srsly ? |
15:40 |
benkay |
hahahahaha |
15:40 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 314.59764223 * 485 |
15:40 |
gribble |
152579.856482 |
15:40 |
mircea_popescu |
meanwhile brk-a is 190k |
15:41 |
fluffypony |
kakobrekla: well, it's also a cheaper proposition - our market isn't only people-with-$$$, the BOINC/Folding@Home crowd need better cooling than 20cm fans in an ATX case but they can't afford / don't want to spend money on water cooling or mineral oil immersion |
15:41 |
asciilifeform |
wanna show off, cool in Fluorinert. |
15:41 |
fluffypony |
but sure, in 5-10 years when GPUs are all mini-PCI-e size, it's different |
15:41 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: it's purposely light on numbers <<< that's stupid. |
15:43 |
mircea_popescu |
benkay: the only thing that makes sense to actually pursue is the rack building thing, and that will live and die by whether or not you can land your asic partner. everything else is just like "woahaoaowwywowao i want to do all these different bitcoin things!" << undersigned. |
15:43 |
Mats_cd03 |
https://soundcloud.com/mgmrecords/the-aston-shuffle-tear-it-down-gamper-dadoni-remix |
15:43 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: actually, the only time i ever built a water-cooled machine, it was to get rid of the damnable fan hiss |
15:43 |
Mats_cd03 |
'lady music' if benkay is a judge |
15:44 |
benkay |
yup starts with a piano designed for tingles |
15:44 |
Mats_cd03 |
im still butthurt you said that |
15:44 |
Mats_cd03 |
there we go again |
15:44 |
kakobrekla |
asciilifeform i have build many but now i have a fan solution that is quieter than any pump. |
15:44 |
benkay |
ew wtf is this plinky plonk guitar |
15:44 |
benkay |
Mats_cd03: i have joins/parts turned off |
15:44 |
benkay |
so just msg me when you want up |
15:45 |
benkay |
although you gotta cut it out with this gay house/trance/whatever shit |
15:45 |
* |
benkay bobs head sarcastically |
15:45 |
benkay |
oh yeah baby |
15:45 |
* |
Mats_cd03 searches for something palatable |
15:45 |
bounce |
soundcloud keeps on finding ways to suck more |
15:46 |
Mats_cd03 |
dat sax, though. |
15:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22350 @ 0.00095588 = 21.3639 BTC [+] |
15:46 |
benkay |
one of my normal haunts recently tried to play pandora plus in two separate locations in their joint |
15:47 |
benkay |
subjected everyone within earshot to endless "your pandora plus account is being used elsewhere" |
15:47 |
kakobrekla |
!l glbse yah |
15:47 |
assbot |
I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who. |
15:47 |
benkay |
basically guaranteed that nobody in that cafe will ever give pandora another damn dime. |
15:47 |
kakobrekla |
wasnt there a 'yah' thing ? |
15:48 |
asciilifeform |
for everyone's laughter: |
15:48 |
asciilifeform |
http://imgur.com/uE4oR6X |
15:48 |
ozbot |
imgur: the simple image sharer |
15:48 |
kakobrekla |
asciilifeform but back in the day people were doing it mostly to show off and oc. |
15:48 |
asciilifeform |
circa 2000. |
15:48 |
asciilifeform |
brought this to dormitory on a wheelbarrow |
15:48 |
Mats_cd03 |
such cool |
15:48 |
benkay |
epic, asciilifeform |
15:48 |
asciilifeform |
such fool! |
15:49 |
asciilifeform |
was i |
15:49 |
kakobrekla |
cpu only? |
15:49 |
asciilifeform |
nope |
15:49 |
asciilifeform |
everything |
15:49 |
fluffypony |
that's awesome |
15:49 |
asciilifeform |
still had a small case fan in there, for the rectifiers, etc |
15:49 |
asciilifeform |
many stories, this thing spawned |
15:49 |
bounce |
that's a clear case of not fscking around with the cooling |
15:50 |
asciilifeform |
toyota corolla. |
15:50 |
bounce |
what's in there though, a pI? how much heat does it produce? |
15:50 |
kakobrekla |
anyway, with todays tech you can get silence with air. i dont hear my box even if its on full load. |
15:50 |
asciilifeform |
this was a dual 'athlon' |
15:50 |
asciilifeform |
sent to scrapyard long ago. |
15:50 |
fluffypony |
I remember trying to watercool a peltier cooler on my Pentium |
15:50 |
asciilifeform |
actually, i gave the radiator to diametric |
15:50 |
asciilifeform |
he has it bolted to a co2 laser, i think |
15:51 |
bounce |
that's what, 2x40W tdp? |
15:51 |
kakobrekla |
we ripped the interior air heating radiators from cars |
15:51 |
kakobrekla |
way before you could buy stuff off shelf |
15:52 |
asciilifeform |
anyone who wants to build such a junker today, why, who knows. but use a 25mL test tube for fill port (drill bottom) |
15:52 |
asciilifeform |
(i worked in a lab in those days) |
15:52 |
asciilifeform |
this bugger was no show piece, meant as workhorse |
15:52 |
asciilifeform |
but rumours spread, and other kids came demanding to see it |
15:53 |
asciilifeform |
even girls |
15:53 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: "vwap 0 srsly ?" <<< where are the puts when you need them? |
15:53 |
asciilifeform |
25uL |
15:53 |
asciilifeform |
fuck, still not awake |
15:53 |
fluffypony |
;;rate los_pantalones 1 hooked a brother up with some cleverness |
15:53 |
gribble |
Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings. |
15:54 |
fluffypony |
erk |
15:54 |
asciilifeform |
bounce: 2x40W << there was a gpu; also a massive scsi hdd |
15:54 |
asciilifeform |
the latter eventually caught fire |
15:55 |
bounce |
gpu in 2000? o_O? |
15:55 |
bounce |
heh |
15:56 |
asciilifeform |
very basic 'nvidia' thingie |
15:56 |
asciilifeform |
this machine never once touched winblows |
15:56 |
asciilifeform |
'freebsd' until it went to the scrapyard. |
15:56 |
bounce |
freebsd 4 best freebsd |
15:56 |
asciilifeform |
aye |
15:56 |
fluffypony |
bounce: you never had a 3DFX Voodoo? |
15:57 |
bounce |
oh right. no, I didn't have fancy new hardware. |
15:57 |
asciilifeform |
in some ways, that beast was an experience |
15:57 |
asciilifeform |
wake up, check coolant level |
15:57 |
asciilifeform |
'fuck, microscopic leak again' |
15:57 |
fluffypony |
lol |
15:57 |
kakobrekla |
hm i dont seem to have many pic from that era, but i was using this when i was 15 http://imgur.com/veyY8j9 |
15:58 |
kakobrekla |
the cooling is not hooked up on the pic |
15:58 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: if i'd used that, some bugger'd have step in it. |
15:58 |
fluffypony |
kakobrekla: is that mirc? |
15:58 |
kakobrekla |
correct |
15:59 |
kakobrekla |
it was not the first or the last or the best but yea. |
15:59 |
bounce |
used a dual ppro for a while, though it wasn't mine and I had to give it back eventually. |
15:59 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex, if you love me do the following thing : |
16:00 |
asciilifeform |
what can compare to slipping a 'drowned' video board (all-snow display) into a chum's box at night. |
16:00 |
mircea_popescu |
on the page where one can submit documents to be verified, add a link to a textfile constructed as gpg -export-pubkey -a | gpg --clearsign -a |
16:00 |
mircea_popescu |
and add a simple html form where i can dump my files as a gpg -r -a |
16:01 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: will do |
16:01 |
mircea_popescu |
this substantially improves your security and helps a lot of things |
16:01 |
Naphex |
ill add it to tasks, i like the idea |
16:01 |
mircea_popescu |
if you're concerned about getting spammed simply make a sensible limit per upload (5mb ?) and only keep one record per account (the last) |
16:01 |
mircea_popescu |
so you auto-overwrite by resubmitting |
16:01 |
Naphex |
all uploada are limited |
16:02 |
mircea_popescu |
so there. |
16:02 |
Naphex |
yep. i'll add it. i like gpg |
16:02 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.51991795 = 1.5598 BTC [-] {3} |
16:03 |
mircea_popescu |
i like people one doesn't have to argue with. |
16:03 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ident Naphex |
16:03 |
gribble |
Nick 'Naphex', with hostmask 'Naphex!~naphex@btcxchange.ro', is not identified. |
16:04 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex well if you like gpg add a gpg sig to gribble wot so i can get your pubkey. |
16:04 |
davout |
Naphex: since when is your exchange up? |
16:05 |
Naphex |
davout: around december |
16:05 |
mircea_popescu |
!up LeMarkz |
16:05 |
assbot |
Voicing LeMarkz for 30 minutes. |
16:05 |
davout |
open outside romania too ? |
16:05 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: i will. only have special keys for docs and ndas |
16:05 |
Naphex |
and other unrelated |
16:05 |
mircea_popescu |
so make another i guess ? |
16:05 |
kakobrekla |
Naphex you only deal with ro people? |
16:06 |
dexX7 |
in the case one of you uses bitcoinjs: https://gist.github.com/dcousens/7a54e59a98e445c5ec2f |
16:06 |
fluffypony |
lawl, wife has fallen asleep watching Numbers |
16:06 |
* |
fluffypony plans pranks |
16:07 |
mircea_popescu |
undies on head ? |
16:07 |
kakobrekla |
forehead dick doh |
16:07 |
fluffypony |
hah hah |
16:07 |
Naphex |
kakobrekla: ron is the only fiat atm |
16:07 |
Naphex |
but you can withdar eur |
16:07 |
kakobrekla |
yeah but im from somalia |
16:07 |
Naphex |
and get soke bank conversion fees |
16:07 |
kakobrekla |
can i register? |
16:07 |
Naphex |
probably |
16:07 |
fluffypony |
somalia is best somalia |
16:08 |
kakobrekla |
perhaps ill try |
16:08 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla or you could register a ro corp like sane ppls. |
16:08 |
kakobrekla |
what is it with you and corps, you speak of it like a hobby |
16:09 |
mircea_popescu |
it's a profession. |
16:09 |
mircea_popescu |
the profession is called "businessman" |
16:09 |
Naphex |
switched back to pc |
16:09 |
kakobrekla |
hey i never claimed to be one |
16:10 |
kakobrekla |
anyway i dun think its opening of corps that makes you a biz man |
16:10 |
Naphex |
kakobrekla: so RON/BTC is the only pair atm, with EUR,others to come soon while we still work some stuff out. |
16:10 |
Naphex |
we have sepa so you can withdraw eur, with way bigger fees |
16:10 |
Naphex |
same day delivery in romania though, so primary market |
16:10 |
kakobrekla |
its just side effect, not a pleasant one |
16:11 |
kakobrekla |
k Naphex . |
16:11 |
mircea_popescu |
http://mpex.co/ << everyone pls to notice the upcoming section. |
16:11 |
asciilifeform |
MPIF ? |
16:11 |
kakobrekla |
he puts jokes in that box |
16:11 |
mircea_popescu |
mpif. |
16:11 |
mircea_popescu |
this one is fo realz. |
16:11 |
davout |
mircea popescovitch investment fund? |
16:11 |
kakobrekla |
a real joke. |
16:12 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller can i pay you to send davout a cookie ? |
16:12 |
davout |
Naphex: what's your plan regarding financial regulation? |
16:12 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: due today what time? |
16:12 |
Naphex |
https://bitcoinaverage.com/markets.htm#RON woot :D |
16:12 |
ozbot |
World Currency Markets | BitcoinAverage |
16:12 |
Naphex |
first listing ;] |
16:12 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony today the 24th :D |
16:12 |
fluffypony |
oh lol |
16:12 |
Naphex |
davout: i'm not the best to ask about financial stuff. but therese lawyers, and accountants and other people |
16:12 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: send half a bitcoin, that'll do just fine |
16:12 |
fluffypony |
thank goodness, I'd like to sleep tonight |
16:13 |
mircea_popescu |
davout i had neh ? |
16:13 |
Naphex |
davout: from the little i understand, its mostly sorted and all authorities consulted |
16:13 |
mircea_popescu |
oouf, you want THE OTHER HALF ?! |
16:13 |
asciilifeform |
in usa, even the professionally sad can register a corp. |
16:13 |
davout |
i mean another one :D |
16:13 |
asciilifeform |
many do |
16:13 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: already rated you for it! you get 4 nao |
16:13 |
mircea_popescu |
shit look at that. |
16:13 |
mircea_popescu |
nao kako ain't never gunna catch up. |
16:14 |
davout |
Naphex: doesn't really look it |
16:14 |
kakobrekla |
one day imma gonna link you to taht -pr post that sez its not all in the sum |
16:14 |
Naphex |
davout: what do you mean? |
16:14 |
asciilifeform |
'it's not the height of the tower, but the amount of power.' |
16:15 |
mircea_popescu |
BCB has > 1024 total holy shit. |
16:15 |
benkay |
!up thestringpuller |
16:15 |
assbot |
Voicing thestringpuller for 30 minutes. |
16:15 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm like #39 biggest number. |
16:15 |
numerisTrade |
mircea_popescu, you will not share any details before having them posted there, will you? :) |
16:16 |
davout |
Naphex: i mean it's usually required from corps that handle fiat funds on behalf of third parties to be financially registered, which doesn't appear to be the case |
16:16 |
numerisTrade |
that is, regarding S.MPIF |
16:16 |
mircea_popescu |
numerisTrade ima make a trilema post first. |
16:16 |
numerisTrade |
gonna have to be patient, then |
16:17 |
Naphex |
davout: not sure how to answer that, or if a financiall registration is required. but all is operating completly legally |
16:17 |
Naphex |
by Romanian law |
16:17 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex who;s the gc ? |
16:18 |
Naphex |
gc? |
16:18 |
mircea_popescu |
general counsel |
16:18 |
mircea_popescu |
the head of the legal dept. |
16:18 |
Naphex |
lawyer firm |
16:18 |
asciilifeform |
lol, my first thought was 'garbage collector' |
16:18 |
Naphex |
bucharest |
16:18 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform get used to it, gc is what a cto of law is called. |
16:19 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex that can't be a gc, it has to be a corp officer. he can hire whoever, but ultimately signs off on it. |
16:19 |
davout |
mircea_popescu Naphex i'm afraid lawyers don't have a lot of clues when dealing with bitcoin, iirc gox had baker & mc kenzie |
16:19 |
mircea_popescu |
davout only after being raped by usg. |
16:19 |
davout |
didn't prevent them from being buttraped on multiple legal accts |
16:20 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC |
16:20 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: before as well iirc |
16:20 |
mircea_popescu |
and only because the two idiot investors who had enough sense that they shouldn't have been invested in the first place insisted. |
16:20 |
mircea_popescu |
which specifically excludes ver |
16:20 |
Naphex |
well all is clear atm |
16:20 |
Naphex |
and bank relations are great |
16:21 |
Naphex |
and everyone can do whatever they do best |
16:21 |
mircea_popescu |
you still need a gc. |
16:23 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00095588 = 14.9117 BTC [+] |
16:23 |
fluffypony |
or a gf |
16:23 |
Naphex |
got a gf :] |
16:23 |
davout |
Naphex: your banking relationship may be great, but as soon as you handle someone else's fiat by opening them an account, allowing them to cash in and out, you need a financial registration |
16:23 |
thestringpuller |
davout: what kind of cookies you want? |
16:23 |
BingoBoingo |
TomServo: Problem resolved. Literally stepped on it. |
16:23 |
Naphex |
so thats sorted |
16:23 |
thestringpuller |
chocolate chip! cool. |
16:23 |
davout |
thestringpuller: chocolate chip is cool |
16:23 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: stepped on it with butt of mosin? |
16:23 |
asciilifeform |
or bayonet |
16:23 |
Naphex |
davout: there is no _need_ for it atm. |
16:23 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: There's also a deadly form of porcine mega shits killing off the pork here |
16:24 |
Naphex |
what financial registration are you reffering to? does one exist?;o |
16:24 |
Naphex |
https://www.btcxchange.ro/about |
16:24 |
ozbot |
btcXchange.ro - The first Bitcoin exchange in Romania |
16:24 |
Naphex |
the firm is registerd, and registration printed |
16:24 |
davout |
that's something different |
16:24 |
davout |
look up the european payments service directive |
16:24 |
Naphex |
don't do law:[ |
16:24 |
davout |
the easiest is a payments service provider license |
16:25 |
Naphex |
sorry davout, can't answer much on that field. |
16:26 |
davout |
Naphex: tbh i like that answer much better than "all is fine we don't need one" :-) |
16:26 |
Naphex |
davout: thats as far as i know lol |
16:27 |
Naphex |
also i'm paid to code the stuff up. and make sure it doesn't get owned. |
16:28 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex well so pass teh issue along. |
16:28 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Stepped on it with show. Also the mouse was actuall a mouse. Was skittering around the garage while I was trying to IRC and smoke cigarettes in it. |
16:28 |
davout |
how big's your team ? |
16:28 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: i will tomorrow :P |
16:28 |
Naphex |
davout: 6 |
16:28 |
davout |
that's good |
16:28 |
Naphex |
with more but on different projects |
16:29 |
Naphex |
there'se 3 more working on a bitcoin atm |
16:29 |
jurov |
benkay: i'm offering some s.nsa shares at bargain ( 0.00029 ) |
16:29 |
davout |
do a simple test, ask the legal person, or whatever lawyer you have the following question : "do we need some sort of financial license to do what we do?" |
16:29 |
jurov |
that ask won't stay long there |
16:29 |
benkay |
!l mpex s.nsa |
16:29 |
assbot |
Last trade for S.NSA on MPEX was at 0.00016371 BTC [+] |
16:29 |
davout |
if the answer is something along the lines of "no, because bitcoin isn't regulated", then you should run awat |
16:29 |
jurov |
if you feel like investing |
16:29 |
benkay |
!t m s.nsa |
16:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX:S.NSA] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.000146 / 0.00016372 / 0.00018 (27190 shares, 4.45 BTC), 30D: 0.000146 / 0.0001634 / 0.00018 (28341 shares, 4.63 BTC) |
16:29 |
davout |
s/awat/away/ |
16:29 |
Naphex |
davout: that question i've asked. and thats the answer I received. That by Romanian law everything required we have to operate. |
16:30 |
Naphex |
now don't know the specifics. but i will foward the european payment systems thingie, and see what answer comes |
16:30 |
davout |
Naphex: basically, the idea is that bitcoin isn't the issue, |
16:30 |
Naphex |
no fiat withdrawals/deposits |
16:30 |
benkay |
how is that a bargain at all, jurov ?! |
16:30 |
davout |
you could trade potatoes it wouldn't make anything different |
16:30 |
davout |
"no fiat withdrawals/deposits" << what? |
16:31 |
Naphex |
are the issue |
16:31 |
Naphex |
:P |
16:31 |
davout |
the issue is on the fiat side |
16:31 |
davout |
yeah |
16:31 |
jurov |
bankay they're worth much more |
16:31 |
benkay |
dude |
16:31 |
mike_c |
!l mpex s.nsa |
16:31 |
assbot |
Last trade for S.NSA on MPEX was at 0.00016371 BTC [+] |
16:31 |
jurov |
once the word goes out |
16:31 |
mike_c |
hm, that is not right. |
16:32 |
davout |
Naphex: allrighty, have fun looking it all up :D |
16:32 |
mike_c |
assbot should be better at that than anyone. |
16:32 |
jurov |
!depth m s.nsa |
16:32 |
davout |
!l mpex s.nsa |
16:32 |
assbot |
Last trade for S.NSA on MPEX was at 0.00016371 BTC [+] |
16:32 |
fluffypony |
http://abstrusegoose.com/strips/we_are_the_internet_resistance_is_futile.png |
16:33 |
jurov |
assbot got no depth |
16:33 |
mircea_popescu |
i think it uses the average |
16:33 |
davout |
mike_c jurov don't panic, it's actually mpex that's all upside down, assbot is fine |
16:33 |
davout |
XD |
16:33 |
mircea_popescu |
actual last trade was X, but actual last trade AS REPORTED by assbot is y |
16:33 |
asciilifeform |
once the word goes out << i'ma confused one here. |
16:33 |
davout |
fluffypony: LOL |
16:33 |
asciilifeform |
must be teh jetlag |
16:34 |
mircea_popescu |
assbot: |
16:34 |
mircea_popescu |
[MPEX] [S.NSA] 27190 @ 0.00016371 = 4.4513 BTC [+] {4} |
16:34 |
mircea_popescu |
like so |
16:34 |
jurov |
asciilifeform: i think nobody knows yet about cardano outside of our little circle |
16:34 |
asciilifeform |
not like it's secret. |
16:35 |
jurov |
i dun see any luddite journo interns asking about it |
16:35 |
fluffypony |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=581679.0 <- new scamcoin called GuarantCoin, "100% backed by physical gold, every single coin has certain value in gold and can be exchanged for gold anytime" |
16:35 |
ozbot |
[ANN][GTC] GUARANTCOIN |
16:36 |
asciilifeform |
satan preserve me from the journo interns. |
16:36 |
fluffypony |
my favourite line in it: "This ensures lowest value of the coin, the exchange price will be different, most likely higher" |
16:36 |
jurov |
right, hire satan as PR |
16:36 |
jurov |
if mp can have pet manticore, why not? |
16:36 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo you happen to have a loglink to where i propositioned you to do atc investment for me ? |
16:36 |
asciilifeform |
i'm pretty certain the buggers will come straight to my door, come the hour. |
16:36 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Not offhand |
16:37 |
mircea_popescu |
recall date ? |
16:37 |
BingoBoingo |
It was pretty soon after I took herbi's ATC and BTC |
16:37 |
mircea_popescu |
yo umean before ? |
16:37 |
BingoBoingo |
Yeah, Oh February 16th-ish is when it started |
16:38 |
asciilifeform |
manticore?! i must still be on the german submarine |
16:39 |
mike_c |
hehe, guarantcoin comment: "Looks good; Nice logo as well." |
16:39 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2014#504761 |
16:39 |
mircea_popescu |
there's that on 15th |
16:39 |
ozbot |
#bitcoin-assets log |
16:40 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
#bitcoin-assets secrets |
16:42 |
BingoBoingo |
Oh |
16:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.0009547 = 28.8319 BTC [-] |
16:43 |
jurov |
;;google "the Bitcoin Manticore" |
16:43 |
gribble |
Ca tot… sa tras tot sa fumat tot sa baut tot cum e peste tot ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2014/ca-tot-s-a-tras-tot-s-a-fumat-tot-s-a-baut-tot-cum-e-peste-tot-la-fel-ca-peste-tot/>; Clif High Wujo Feb.14. 2014 - Bitcoin, Mt Gox, bankers - Part 1 ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGEWvuhkEl8>; Video: Roundup of This Week's Bitcoin News 14th March 2014 ...: (1 more message) |
16:44 |
asciilifeform |
lol that's the one with me making faces, isn't it |
16:44 |
fluffypony |
mike_c: the comments are a cesspool of stupidity..."Wow! Finally coin with the future!" |
16:44 |
mike_c |
well, most of them are socks. but yes, very amusing. |
16:52 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/ |
16:52 |
ozbot |
The wunderbar S.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
16:53 |
asciilifeform |
neato |
16:55 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.0009543 = 20.7083 BTC [-] {2} |
16:57 |
mircea_popescu |
!up phish |
16:57 |
assbot |
Voicing phish for 30 minutes. |
17:00 |
BingoBoingo |
I wonder who all is getting tapped for S.MPIF |
17:00 |
mircea_popescu |
well you're one. |
17:01 |
BingoBoingo |
Of course. |
17:01 |
BingoBoingo |
The hangover suggested it would be a good idea |
17:06 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0683931 = 0.342 BTC [+] |
17:07 |
fluffypony |
BingoBoingo: don't forget to hydrate |
17:07 |
BingoBoingo |
fluffypony: The hangover's over |
17:08 |
fluffypony |
good to hear :) |
17:08 |
BingoBoingo |
I wouldn't be where I am today without the ability to swiftly dispatch a hangover |
17:08 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ident kakobrekla |
17:08 |
gribble |
Nick 'kakobrekla', with hostmask 'kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla', is identified as user 'kakobrekla', with GPG key id 27AF75321F2489E8, key fingerprint 27C3CE9A20851312F086268C27AF75321F2489E8, and bitcoin address None |
17:10 |
fluffypony |
BingoBoingo: likewise...I just find myself way too unproductive for the first ~4 hours after waking up if I'm hanging like a little bitch |
17:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00095197 = 30.8438 BTC [-] {3} |
17:21 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 90 @ 0.0618981 = 5.5708 BTC [-] {9} |
17:22 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0678 = 0.339 BTC [+] |
17:22 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 78 @ 0.00482011 = 0.376 BTC [+] |
17:23 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00518408 = 0.1244 BTC [+] {2} |
17:26 |
mircea_popescu |
http://pandodaily.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/singersm1.jpg << fiattalks.org butthurt |
17:28 |
Naphex |
gn o/ |
17:28 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Still no reply from srgexpert |
17:28 |
mircea_popescu |
whossat again ? |
17:30 |
BingoBoingo |
http://trilema.com/2012/the-patrick-harnett-saga-continues/ |
17:30 |
ozbot |
The Patrick Harnett saga continues pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
17:31 |
BingoBoingo |
? |
17:37 |
mircea_popescu |
ah |
17:38 |
fluffypony |
http://pando.com/2014/04/23/startups-anonymous-things-founders-say-to-investors-that-are-complete-bs/ |
17:38 |
ozbot |
Startups Anonymous: Things founders say to investors that are complete BS | PandoDaily |
17:43 |
fluffypony |
“My cofounder turned down a job at Google to focus on our company.” Translation: He applied for an internship a while back and it fell through. |
17:43 |
fluffypony |
can we file that with the "world class mathematicians" involved in every cryptocurrency-related project? |
17:46 |
mircea_popescu |
im looking for the world class submarines. |
17:46 |
mircea_popescu |
> typhoon class. |
17:46 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
17:46 |
fluffypony |
lol |
17:47 |
asciilifeform |
miningboot? |
17:48 |
benkay |
miningboot! |
17:48 |
asciilifeform |
i could easily live in one, and not notice. |
17:50 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform are you this Arlyn Culwick fellow and trolling me ? |
17:53 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: plz sort creditsout noa |
17:54 |
fluffypony |
*credits out |
17:55 |
bounce |
you more or less missed a chance to snag a few subs for essentially free down in the crimea |
17:56 |
fluffypony |
asciilifeform: https://scontent-b-mxp.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/10169256_799974603356886_8876868538876731843_n.jpg |
17:56 |
bounce |
I'd buy into that. |
17:57 |
mircea_popescu |
flushed. |
17:57 |
fluffypony |
thank you kindly |
17:58 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
17:58 |
mircea_popescu |
nice pic |
17:59 |
mircea_popescu |
so do they fight the impedance or what ? |
17:59 |
fluffypony |
hah hah |
18:02 |
bounce |
fighting the current, technically |
18:03 |
bounce |
dissipating the power |
18:04 |
jurov |
as soon as the current starts to change, parasite reactances appear |
18:05 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
18:07 |
bounce |
so what is the resistance and what the impedance of... the local beach? |
18:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31262 @ 0.00095093 = 29.728 BTC [-] |
18:22 |
mircea_popescu |
khersonus http://blog.khersonus.com/2014/time-value-of-money/ not bad. |
18:25 |
mircea_popescu |
benkay http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/16_erc-wot-integration-such-gift.html can you explain this to me ? |
18:27 |
bounce |
you need to speka lisp-a to understand-a |
18:27 |
mircea_popescu |
aokl |
18:27 |
mircea_popescu |
!up davide |
18:27 |
assbot |
Voicing davide for 30 minutes. |
18:27 |
mircea_popescu |
"Additionally, algorithms from the NSA are considered a sort of alien technology: they come from a superior race with no explanations." |
18:28 |
mircea_popescu |
gotta love how schneier sticks these psy-ops little turds in everything he writes. |
18:28 |
bounce |
though the real question is, is that a /signed/ tag? |
18:28 |
mircea_popescu |
yo, bruce, wakeup call : the nsa is about as fucktartded as you are. srsly. |
18:29 |
bounce |
actually, no. they employ a fsckton of mathematicians and they know everything that's in the open plus an unspecified amount we don't know about. best guess (last I heard) was that they're about five years ahead of the open community with the research |
18:30 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce nonsense. |
18:30 |
bounce |
you can see how that works in, say, DES, where the NSA suggested stuff that turned out to be resistant to a type of attack not known publically at the time DES was finalised |
18:30 |
mircea_popescu |
if spending money solved problems the phoenician empire'd still be a thing. |
18:31 |
mircea_popescu |
nobody is denying a lot of smart people work for the nsa. |
18:31 |
mircea_popescu |
heck, a lot of smart people worked for microsoft, and alcatel, and whatever other pointless dinosaur. adobe. |
18:31 |
mircea_popescu |
that does not make ADOBE smart. at all. |
18:32 |
mircea_popescu |
for all the brilliant russians living in the 70s, the ussr was dumb as rocks. |
18:32 |
bounce |
yeah, but we're not talking NSA as a whole. we're talking the stuff that comes out of there in the form of algorithms |
18:33 |
mircea_popescu |
it's not clear why this reclassification'd be useful to your position. |
18:33 |
Apocalyptic |
"best guess (last I heard) was that they're about five years ahead of the open community with the research" that may have been accurate a few years ago |
18:33 |
Apocalyptic |
i don't believe it's the case nowadays |
18:33 |
mircea_popescu |
Apocalyptic it was perhaps accurate in the 90s. |
18:33 |
Apocalyptic |
sounds reasonable |
18:33 |
mircea_popescu |
as the things stand right now, they never had an internal bitcoin, |
18:33 |
mircea_popescu |
and we wiped their heartbleed. |
18:33 |
mircea_popescu |
and while we know what they don't know, they don't know what we know. |
18:34 |
mircea_popescu |
which... you know. |
18:34 |
Apocalyptic |
a possible explanation may be that cryptography as a field wasn't that broad in academia back then |
18:35 |
bounce |
still, they know what we know plus a bunch we don't know much about. we don't know how big it is, we don't know what it does. for that reason you have to be careful with their "gifts". that's the point he's making. |
18:36 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1927 @ 0.0001357 = 0.2615 BTC [+] {3} |
18:36 |
fluffypony |
bed time, bye |
18:36 |
dexX7 |
good night |
18:37 |
mircea_popescu |
<bounce> still, they know what we know plus a bunch << this is strictly false. |
18:38 |
bounce |
show how. |
18:38 |
mircea_popescu |
because you imagine perfect knowledge ("everyone publishes everything they know and everyone reads it all") to get your result |
18:38 |
mircea_popescu |
this is not at all how teh community works. |
18:39 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway. i know what he's pretending he's trying to say, but that ain't at all what he;s saying. what he's saying is "resistence is futile", that's the message, and it's a ridiculous. |
18:39 |
bounce |
that's not how I read it |
18:40 |
mircea_popescu |
now without offense, let me just propose to you as a theory that it's possible you'd not know how you read it. in the same sense advertising works. |
18:40 |
bounce |
wouldn't surprise me if the NSA has everyone with a little crypto knowledge on watchlists just to see the privately-circulating papers |
18:41 |
mircea_popescu |
sure. |
18:43 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00509 = 0.2291 BTC [-] |
18:46 |
bounce |
I think you're reaching with that line of reasoning. I know how I read it and I disagree with how you read it. I will allow that a-priori notions on either side (or both) might have something to do with the interpretation. |
18:46 |
mircea_popescu |
well that's as far as it can possibly go huh |
18:46 |
bounce |
you might ask him which he ment, and why. :-) |
18:47 |
mircea_popescu |
i might as well ask obama if he really meant i can keep my insurance. |
18:48 |
bounce |
c'mon, cook up a nice 20 questions to finnagle the truth out of oracle schneier |
18:48 |
mircea_popescu |
he'd be insulted |
18:49 |
bounce |
and you care about that, how? o_O? |
18:49 |
mircea_popescu |
that's the trick with "being insulted" : it affords plausible deniability to they who don't want to have the truth extracted. |
18:49 |
mircea_popescu |
well i don't care, but he'd stop answering. |
18:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37550 @ 0.00095066 = 35.6973 BTC [-] {3} |
18:51 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, re your "you're reaching" comment, i told a story at teh conference that should prolly be on the record. |
18:51 |
mircea_popescu |
so, as kids, one party game was to whistle into an old, low baud modem. they were slow enough that it was still sort-of feasible. the game was, who gets the modem going for longer thinking it's got a sane modem on the other end |
18:52 |
mircea_popescu |
(trivial to observe when it noticed you're human because of the very distinctive "error pls to start over" tone" |
18:52 |
mircea_popescu |
i believe that's really the model for all communication. |
18:54 |
bounce |
doing a little survey among cryptographers of name with how and at what size they assess the NSA's knowledge advandage, if any, might be interesting. doing it every couple years maybe even moreso. |
18:55 |
bounce |
I don't think all communication is quite that lopsided, to be honest. |
18:56 |
mircea_popescu |
ils ne se servent de la pensée que pour autoriser leurs injustices, et emploient les paroles que pour déguiser leurs pensées |
18:56 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce how do you mean lopsided ? |
18:56 |
bounce |
then again, much of it isn't quite so very good either. |
18:57 |
mircea_popescu |
what i meant was strictly this, that your particular response matched what i may have accepted as proof that you indeed may know how you read it. |
18:59 |
bounce |
possibly. :-) |
19:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00095123 = 27.3003 BTC [+] {2} |
19:02 |
bounce |
lopsided isn't really the word. somehow a better word eludes me for the moment. |
19:04 |
mircea_popescu |
"Error getting file: -1: Unspecified error" |
19:05 |
mircea_popescu |
for the love of the error god ;/ |
19:07 |
bounce |
context? wild guess says using fn return instead of errno like it should've been used |
19:07 |
mircea_popescu |
old proprietary camera. |
19:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00095161 = 10.8484 BTC [+] |
19:10 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.512 = 1.024 BTC [-] {2} |
19:17 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: Culwick wtf what? |
19:17 |
mircea_popescu |
this dude arguing metaphysics with me |
19:18 |
asciilifeform |
nein, i'm still trying to wake up from me beautiful dreamz. |
19:19 |
asciilifeform |
'Had it been a dream? It was still worth it! ... Now he had to think about his own survival. With the aid of his wrist geiger he found a deactivated lane through the rubble. Hed better get back to the shelter before dark, before the rats came out. If he didnt hurry hed miss the evening potato ration.' |
19:20 |
asciilifeform |
(robert sheckley's 'store of the worlds' - www.e-reading.ws/txt.php/1000018/Sheckley_-_The_Store_Of_The_Worlds.txt) |
19:23 |
asciilifeform |
re: nsa crypto: |
19:23 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323 |
19:23 |
ozbot |
Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name. |
19:23 |
asciilifeform |
(musings on the 'smart nsa' hypothesis, i know) |
19:23 |
asciilifeform |
exercise in 'intelligence with open sources' |
19:25 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51999999 BTC [+] |
19:25 |
asciilifeform |
more seriously, virtually nothing re: cryptology from the era preceding modern computing is worth terribly much. |
19:25 |
mircea_popescu |
so on the very good news front, i've already lined up 4 managers for s.mpif, whole shebang nominally worth a little north of 170 btc atm. |
19:27 |
asciilifeform |
the americans really fucked themselves. 'why bother being strong, let's make everyone weak.' they somehow kept most of the planet using rotor (!) crypto machines through the '70s! |
19:27 |
asciilifeform |
;;google CryptoAG |
19:27 |
gribble |
Crypto AG - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG>; Schneier on Security: NSA Backdoors in Crypto AG Ciphering ...: <https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/01/nsa_backdoors_i.html>; Crypto AG: <http://www.crypto.ch/> |
19:28 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform funny you should mention crypto ag |
19:28 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15625 @ 0.00095284 = 14.8881 BTC [+] |
19:28 |
mircea_popescu |
because...well... they use the mpex shareholding model. |
19:28 |
mircea_popescu |
apparently this is possible in fiat just fine. whodda thunk it. |
19:28 |
asciilifeform |
phun phact. cryptoag still exists! and used by diplomats, etc. how to explain? only theory i can think of is that folks deliberately buy into the crapola - as a gesture of doggy submission to usa |
19:29 |
asciilifeform |
this is possible in fiat just fine << various 'impossibles' are quite possible when they must. |
19:29 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06792804 = 0.4755 BTC [+] {3} |
19:30 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06869835 = 0.5496 BTC [+] {2} |
19:30 |
mircea_popescu |
right. what's "impossible" is just admitting mp has the power to make the impossible quite possible. |
19:30 |
mike_c |
mircea_popescu: will piffy managers and projects be announced? |
19:30 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c of course. |
19:31 |
mircea_popescu |
prolly tomorrow, actually. |
19:31 |
mike_c |
follow up question: is BingoBoingo all 4 managers? ;) |
19:31 |
mircea_popescu |
nope. just 1. |
19:31 |
asciilifeform |
the power to make the impossible quite possible << Führerprinzip, the elixir of shit getting done. |
19:33 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c actually i'll bet you a certain pizza you won't be able to guess all 4. |
19:33 |
mike_c |
hmm |
19:33 |
mircea_popescu |
you get a list as long as you wish, provided you publish it by tomorrow. |
19:34 |
mike_c |
i hate to turn down action, but feels like a tough wager. there are a lot of people i don't know. |
19:34 |
mircea_popescu |
im known for my tough wagers and an almost fanatical devotion to the poke. |
19:37 |
mircea_popescu |
;;rated mike_c |
19:37 |
gribble |
You rated user mike_c on Tue Mar 25 20:15:55 2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: blogger, dev. |
19:37 |
jurov |
soooo... should i stay up to add S.MPIF to coinbr or it can wait? |
19:37 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov can wait, the contract'll be up at a sane time, but in a few days. |
19:37 |
mircea_popescu |
and trading will open after anyway |
19:37 |
jurov |
gut |
19:38 |
BingoBoingo |
I'm kind of curious what other markets S.MPIF is going to venture into |
19:38 |
mircea_popescu |
i'll bet you you won't be able to guess all 4. |
19:38 |
mircea_popescu |
same deal. |
19:39 |
asciilifeform |
smpif sounds neat but too big for me puny brain. |
19:39 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform actually it's devilishly simple. you'll see after a few monthly reports. |
19:40 |
asciilifeform |
arbitrobots? |
19:40 |
mircea_popescu |
nop. |
19:40 |
mircea_popescu |
no robots. unlike the alex chick i'm an ACTUAL luddite. i use people. |
19:40 |
mike_c |
buying houses in ohio? |
19:40 |
mircea_popescu |
nop. |
19:40 |
kakobrekla |
mike_c in argentina |
19:40 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: I prefer meat bot to describe my role in this |
19:41 |
mircea_popescu |
no, there's no real estate at all. |
19:41 |
mike_c |
lol. argentina house flipping! |
19:41 |
mircea_popescu |
this makes it fair for BingoBoingo, seeing how mike_c also knew 1. |
19:41 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: no shame in this. atm i'm doing things chinese robogirls won't do |
19:41 |
mircea_popescu |
^ |
19:41 |
* |
mircea_popescu is known for turning people into robots. |
19:41 |
mircea_popescu |
sieg hail. |
19:42 |
mircea_popescu |
also, http://oglaf.com/porkchisel/ |
19:42 |
asciilifeform |
'i am bender, please insert girder.' ('futurama') |
19:47 |
asciilifeform |
shame that arbitrobots appear to be a dead field. the modus operandi of mine, for instance, was to root out and autorape other bots. |
19:47 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
19:47 |
asciilifeform |
never bothered to make it airworthy, though, so it's a boring tale. |
19:47 |
asciilifeform |
it was, at one point (laugh, sure) intended to play on... gox. |
19:48 |
asciilifeform |
i lost interest in the project >1yr ago, when i realized that i won't be selling so much as 1 btc while i live here. |
19:49 |
benkay |
amen |
19:49 |
mircea_popescu |
not a bad policy. |
19:50 |
asciilifeform |
people still say 'martian' |
19:52 |
asciilifeform |
glad the chicoms happily take bezollars. (for now.) |
19:53 |
asciilifeform |
or i'd have to etch boards again, like when student. |
19:53 |
asciilifeform |
(and eat wildlife) |
19:59 |
kakobrekla |
local companies? |
19:59 |
BingoBoingo |
Much of the best food is wildlife |
19:59 |
kakobrekla |
i have two low-mid series pcb manufacturers in 5km radius |
19:59 |
mircea_popescu |
sooo! |
20:00 |
mircea_popescu |
this is the highest linecount since forever |
20:01 |
mircea_popescu |
2.) fluffypony 1247 3.) assbot 1211 << africans and their long peens. |
20:01 |
BingoBoingo |
Imma have to guess the S.MPIF markets are BTC/USD, BTC/Typhoon submarines, BTC/Uranium, and BTC/Human Souls |
20:02 |
asciilifeform |
http://imgur.com/UvspIIq,CqpmXCx,p2ExGTe,qAcmmpX,SJ3lCpM,avlxgmG,dr2NHfE,3yeBuFm |
20:02 |
ozbot |
imgur: the simple image sharer |
20:02 |
mike_c |
hm, there has got to be an arbitrage loop on btc/usd/human souls |
20:02 |
mircea_popescu |
Humanity was almost extinguished, their spirits becoming part of the background radiation that blanketed the earth. |
20:03 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.youtube.com/embed/pXMnRaSkkp4 |
20:03 |
ozbot |
Fallout 2 Intro (1998) - YouTube |
20:03 |
asciilifeform |
'the man who loved the faioli' ! |
20:03 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.lib.ru/ZELQZNY/TheManWhoLovedTheFaioli.txt |
20:03 |
asciilifeform |
(or maybe not. but i was damn sure that was in there) |
20:06 |
BingoBoingo |
"From 1985 to 1989 Williamson worked at Nicolet Instruments in Madison, Wisconsin where he was the primary author on two digital hearing aid patents." |
20:06 |
BingoBoingo |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange |
20:12 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.flickr.com/photos/74896762@N00/3167352760/ |
20:12 |
ozbot |
amniotic sac | Flickr - Photo Sharing |
20:13 |
asciilifeform |
earlier link was steam plant in Timis. |
20:13 |
BingoBoingo |
Ah, cool |
20:13 |
asciilifeform |
0400 hour, monday |
20:13 |
asciilifeform |
hieronymous bosch apparently lives there. |
20:14 |
BingoBoingo |
Amazing how in the US Steam plants are generally just a University thing and yet every on campus steam plant I've seen has been as boring as shit. |
20:14 |
asciilifeform |
on account of boschlessness. |
20:18 |
asciilifeform |
re: Faioli << recommended to all aficionados of pet manticores. |
20:19 |
asciilifeform |
http://imgur.com/KSmZQ69 |
20:19 |
ozbot |
imgur: the simple image sharer |
20:19 |
asciilifeform |
^ sherlock holmes. |
20:19 |
benkay |
lysergic precursors are strictly controlled, whaddaya expect? |
20:20 |
asciilifeform |
let them control carbon. |
20:22 |
asciilifeform |
http://imgur.com/SLpTRCm |
20:22 |
ozbot |
imgur: the simple image sharer |
20:22 |
asciilifeform |
^ femei |
20:22 |
asciilifeform |
(clicked? admit, lustful buggers) |
20:23 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5425 @ 0.00095286 = 5.1693 BTC [+] {2} |
20:23 |
mircea_popescu |
well i hadn't, but if you insist |
20:23 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
20:23 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
20:23 |
mircea_popescu |
was that the abandoned urinal ? |
20:23 |
asciilifeform |
menstrual. |
20:24 |
mircea_popescu |
here's the story of the blessings of lobbyism |
20:24 |
mircea_popescu |
romania had, in all cities, proper urinals built all over town. the whole shebang, with running water. |
20:24 |
mircea_popescu |
dumbass firm started importing the 2mc bullshits, with chemical "processing" |
20:24 |
mircea_popescu |
and got kickback-based contracts to "supply" the city. |
20:25 |
mircea_popescu |
as a result, all the proper urinals are nao destroyed. |
20:25 |
asciilifeform |
ugh |
20:25 |
mircea_popescu |
because well.... they can't compete, because they solve a problem rather than grooming it with dysfunctional non-solutions, and so have nothing to kick back. |
20:25 |
asciilifeform |
classic |
20:25 |
asciilifeform |
http://imgur.com/RL9x21p |
20:25 |
ozbot |
imgur: the simple image sharer |
20:25 |
asciilifeform |
^ femei, for real |
20:25 |
mircea_popescu |
now... explain to me again how teh nsa is 5 years ahead of my penis. |
20:26 |
benkay |
to further our discussion of economies: http://falkenblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/batesian-mimicry-explanation-of.html |
20:26 |
kakobrekla |
o looky |
20:26 |
kakobrekla |
davout asciilifeform |
20:26 |
kakobrekla |
http://flappy2048.com |
20:27 |
kakobrekla |
also mike_c and whoever else |
20:27 |
mike_c |
fuck, there goes my evening. |
20:27 |
asciilifeform |
defunct ? |
20:28 |
kakobrekla |
works here |
20:28 |
asciilifeform |
ehehe, flash |
20:29 |
mircea_popescu |
"In an expansion investors are constantly looking for better places to invest their capital, while entrepreneurs are always overconfident, hoping to get capital to fund their restless ambition. Sometimes, the investors (dupes) think a certain set of key characteristics are sufficient statistics of a quality investment because historically they were. Mimic entrepreneurs seize upon these key characteristics that will all |
20:29 |
mircea_popescu |
ow them to garner funds from the duped investors. " |
20:29 |
benkay |
Once the number of mimics is sufficiently high, their valueless enterprises become too conspicuous and they no longer pass off as legitimate investments. |
20:29 |
mircea_popescu |
benkay a good theory which requires dupes to have a functioning ganglion. |
20:29 |
benkay |
(quotes, etc) |
20:29 |
mircea_popescu |
they... don't, mostly. |
20:29 |
asciilifeform |
http://imgur.com/VZ8jZkP |
20:29 |
ozbot |
imgur: the simple image sharer |
20:30 |
benkay |
no but they have shitloads of cash |
20:30 |
asciilifeform |
^ statute to the unknown lamer |
20:30 |
asciilifeform |
*statue |
20:30 |
mircea_popescu |
Your browser is not compatible with this site. Sorry :( << kakobrekla wtf bs! |
20:30 |
kakobrekla |
anyway it involved different kind of brain power than the 2048 |
20:30 |
kakobrekla |
much less actual thinking |
20:31 |
kakobrekla |
mp you know just scammin around |
20:32 |
kakobrekla |
anyway i just thought it was rele-tarded enough to post. |
20:32 |
mircea_popescu |
"AllAdvantage was a website that paid members to surf the Net. It paid to acquire these users, and supposedly leveraged its members eyeballs into advertizing dollars. At the initial fundraiser internet capitalist Frank Quattrone, who helped fund Cisco and many other legitimate successful concerns, and President Clinton both paid tribute to AllAdvantage" |
20:32 |
mircea_popescu |
muy true |
20:32 |
mircea_popescu |
i wish the falk joined hiar. |
20:32 |
benkay |
"For example, subsequent to the 1990 Commercial Real Estate debacle, defaults in this asset class were well below average across the board for the subsequent decade. In the aftermath of that crisis, newly issued Commercial Real Estate Asset Backed securities did very well, because everyone was especially cognizant of the risk factors involved. A similar thing happened in railroads after the Penn Central railroad defaulted in the early |
20:32 |
benkay |
1970s. Fooled once, investors were not fooled again in that specific way, making the key risky asset characteristic of the latest recession a metric of safety going forward." |
20:32 |
asciilifeform |
http://imgur.com/32Hn20X |
20:32 |
ozbot |
imgur: the simple image sharer |
20:32 |
asciilifeform |
^ this is posted for a reason |
20:32 |
benkay |
if only the forum knew its own history. |
20:33 |
asciilifeform |
and not simply because this toilet is bigger than my living room |
20:33 |
mircea_popescu |
sadly blog is pretty much abandoned |
20:33 |
asciilifeform |
me grandpa (physicist) first encountered a bidet in vienna |
| |
↖ ↖ ↖ |
20:33 |
asciilifeform |
in '45. |
20:33 |
asciilifeform |
he went 'fuck, this place has 2 shitters' |
20:34 |
kakobrekla |
lol |
20:34 |
asciilifeform |
and of course deposited in the smaller one |
20:34 |
mircea_popescu |
bidets are great. can't keep young women w/o em |
20:34 |
asciilifeform |
commander made him clean it out. with matchsticks. |
20:34 |
asciilifeform |
i've never seen one in person previously. |
20:35 |
asciilifeform |
but at least i knew grandfather's fate. |
20:35 |
mircea_popescu |
but see, suppose you wanna eat her out. what do you do ? full shower ? sink acrobatics ? |
20:35 |
asciilifeform |
lolmatic |
20:36 |
benkay |
plenty of material left. |
20:36 |
asciilifeform |
we all wanna have 'timisoara problems' |
20:37 |
asciilifeform |
vs. finding a deactivated path through the rubble with wrist geiger... |
20:42 |
asciilifeform |
(other grandpa, field hospital, not sure he ever saw bidet until died) |
20:44 |
asciilifeform |
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7083969/1/The-Vienna-Offensive |
20:44 |
ozbot |
The Vienna Offensive, a hetalia - axis powers fanfic | FanFiction |
20:44 |
asciilifeform |
^ this exists. |
20:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00095034 = 3.9914 BTC [-] |
20:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7225 @ 0.00095192 = 6.8776 BTC [+] |
20:54 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.06869835 = 0.8931 BTC [+] |
20:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00095226 = 7.7133 BTC [+] {2} |
21:03 |
asciilifeform |
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/04/rip-mike-ruppert.html |
21:03 |
ozbot |
ClubOrlov: RIP Mike Ruppert |
21:03 |
asciilifeform |
^ one of the original collapse blog folks took the Colt-45 Retirement Plan. |
21:04 |
asciilifeform |
(here in usa, the Colt Pension, Life & Health Insurance Co. is doing brisk business.) |
21:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00095588 = 12.1875 BTC [+] |
21:06 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51029099 = 1.0206 BTC [-] {2} |
21:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6975 @ 0.00095496 = 6.6608 BTC [-] |
21:23 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00095481 = 10.5984 BTC [-] {2} |
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21:42 |
kakobrekla |
forum investors: http://i.imgur.com/BGEedbu.gif |
21:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00095588 = 11.2794 BTC [+] |
21:57 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [-] |
21:57 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.032 = 0.16 BTC [-] |
21:58 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-] |
21:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [-] |
21:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.031998 = 0.16 BTC [-] {2} |
22:00 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.0742218 = 0.4453 BTC [-] |
22:01 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.04185166 = 0.2511 BTC [-] {6} |
22:01 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03199 = 0.16 BTC [-] |
22:02 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-] |
22:16 |
dexX7 |
anyone from bitcoindoc.com here? |
22:24 |
mike_c |
higher numbers of crackers |
22:26 |
mod6 |
haha kako |
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~ 15 minutes ~ |
22:41 |
ThickAsThieves |
<+mircea_popescu> i'll bet you you won't be able to guess all 4. // i likes me a challenge |
22:42 |
ThickAsThieves |
bingo, davout, uhhh i'm drunk |
22:42 |
ThickAsThieves |
pankakke, apocalyptic |
22:43 |
ThickAsThieves |
switch apoc for jurov |
| |
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22:44 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51990652 = 1.0398 BTC [+] {2} |
22:45 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0048 = 0.144 BTC [-] |
22:45 |
ThickAsThieves |
i will take my prize in atc |
22:45 |
ThickAsThieves |
thanks |
22:46 |
ThickAsThieves |
appl doing a 7-1 stock split? unexpected! |
22:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4241 @ 0.00095552 = 4.0524 BTC [-] |
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~ 15 minutes ~ |
23:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8458 @ 0.00095445 = 8.0727 BTC [-] {2} |
23:10 |
dexX7 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=000al7ru3ms |
23:11 |
bitcoinpete |
so many logs, so many logs, so many logs, hey hey hey |
23:15 |
bitcoinpete |
oooo mpif... |
23:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8040 @ 0.00095507 = 7.6788 BTC [+] |
23:27 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC |
23:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.07499998 = 0.15 BTC [-] |
23:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3819 @ 0.00095507 = 3.6474 BTC [+] |
23:38 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00095546 = 1.481 BTC [+] |
23:43 |
bitcoinpete |
http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/04/23/us-apple-dow-index-idINKBN0D91AJ20140423 <<AAPL 7:1 split, dividend bump, 50% bigger buyback... and i sold 'em all a year ago to the day |
23:43 |
ozbot |
Apple slice: Share split makes joining the Dow more likely |
23:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8524 @ 0.00095363 = 8.1287 BTC [-] {3} |
23:49 |
bitcoinpete |
shoulda noticed ThickAsThieves... |
23:50 |
bitcoinpete |
.d |
23:50 |
ozbot |
6.979 billion | Next Diff in 956 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.3790% in 5d 16h 22m 14s |
23:56 |
bitcoinpete |
;;later tell kakobrekla thanks for the link and the lmao forum investors gif! |
23:56 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
23:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
the lesson with the stocks is |
23:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
every price comes twice |
23:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
tech stocks* |
23:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
i learned this the hard way with netflix |
23:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
glad i held my appl |
23:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
sold my goog at peak |
23:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
and tsla is a fun ride |