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02:01 ben_vulpes > pragma Pure
02:01 ben_vulpes slowly coming around to this ada thing
~ 43 minutes ~
02:44 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: W_ZeroP is pretty nifty; this is a the great and legible approach to numulating with computers i've been missing my whole life
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07:22 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
07:22 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15011.78, vol: 14964.17889650 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14936.0, vol: 69368.82029594 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15100.2, vol: 3178.19548484 | Volume-weighted last average: 14954.9215241
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08:32 BingoBoingo In other news, last night crowd was primarily Brazilians in town for the Cannabis expo
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09:30 mircea_popescu in other you-can't-imagine-what-decivilization-is : abs wheel sensors here, $130. each. in sanelands, $30, a set of 4.
09:38 mircea_popescu if you're wondering WHY the fuck would anyone buy singles, your mind is working correctly and you're on the way to explaining the mystery : imbecile orcmind DOES NOT PROVISION! DOES NOT MAINTENANCE! and generally has a very peculiar relartionship with the future, as discussed eg in http://trilema.com/2017/this-blog-is-now-about-bticino-and-other-coinsiderations/#footnote_0_75919 ; or http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735612
09:38 a111 Logged on 2017-11-09 20:25 mircea_popescu: cuz these people WILL NOT FIX, anything, ever, until it literally breaks.
09:38 mircea_popescu or so on.
09:38 mircea_popescu so basically : they do not keep supplies. latino mind does not understand there's something shameful in having shop of X, not having X.y item in stock.
09:39 mircea_popescu consequently, because no demand, because no management, because no understanding whatsoever of what this capitalist world is or how it works, THEREFORE it makes ~~~perfect economic sense~~~ for part to cost 4x 4x what it costs among smarter people.
09:40 mircea_popescu THIS is what end-of-civilisation means : as you include more and more brownies and "their values" into society, you exclude more and more sense and welfare from the economy.
09:40 asciilifeform 'sensor is what we dunhave at the sensor shop!1'
09:40 mircea_popescu ikr
09:41 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it was how usa croaked
09:41 asciilifeform !#s neutron absorbers
09:41 a111 1 result for "neutron absorbers", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=neutron%20absorbers
09:41 mircea_popescu aha.
09:41 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455832
09:41 a111 Logged on 2016-04-22 15:58 asciilifeform: i like to call people who by their very presence make various constructive activities impossible, 'neutron absorbers'
09:43 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-09#1749053 << yer in for a treat, ben_vulpes , whole thing is made of this
09:43 a111 Logged on 2017-12-09 07:44 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: W_ZeroP is pretty nifty; this is a the great and legible approach to numulating with computers i've been missing my whole life
09:44 mircea_popescu i gathered :)
09:45 asciilifeform of course W_ZeroP only works the way it does because compilers are sad , in turn because people were idiots in 1970s and did not shoot the wreckers who so much as suggested to call a thing without overlow and zero flags, a cpu
09:45 asciilifeform *overflow
09:47 asciilifeform btw here's a phunphakt for ben_vulpes : ffa cannot be used as-is on ppc. ibm in infinite whizzdom made their mul instruction nonconstanttime.
09:47 asciilifeform it shortcuts on zeros.
09:48 asciilifeform if you must run on ppc, yer basecase (word x word) multer has to be 'egyptian'.
09:51 asciilifeform and i'ma have to write a detector for this kind of idiocy, because anything at all can be expected from intel et al.
09:52 asciilifeform for mul, pretty simple, time the interval needed for e.g. million 0x0 mulls vs million maxint x maxint ( and a few other patterns )
~ 1 hours 10 minutes ~
11:03 mircea_popescu !!up BigTexasBingo
11:03 deedbot BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes.
11:03 BigTexasBingo Holy fuck do Brazilians smoke fuck tons of ganja
11:04 * BigTexasBingo has for the near term readopted cigarettes for social cover
11:08 * BigTexasBingo may be learning more Portugues atm than Spanish.
11:09 BigTexasBingo Sobriety still intact. Still only met un gringa, though have now encountered a Brazilian born in Nueva York
11:10 mircea_popescu good for you.
11:11 BigTexasBingo Necessito encuentrar un nuevo lavador por mi ropa. Current one hasn't been attended since I dropped off mi ropa. But only been by twice.
11:12 asciilifeform ->encontrar ?
11:12 BigTexasBingo Find
11:12 asciilifeform yes
11:12 asciilifeform but mutilated. or is this what the portuguese do.
11:13 * asciilifeform grammarschool nitpicking
11:13 BigTexasBingo It is the effect of my spanish immersion being invaded by the Brazillians and their slow, incredibly understandable speech.
11:14 BigTexasBingo Weather here still muy bueno.
11:17 BigTexasBingo And adjusting to hostel life
11:17 BigTexasBingo Cowork life is very accommodating
11:18 asciilifeform what exactly is a 'cowork'
11:19 BigTexasBingo It is an office building floor whereI rent desk, get coffee and language practice, and fiscal address to give the lawyer
11:19 asciilifeform aa neato
11:20 asciilifeform iirc phf had one of these in usa
11:20 BigTexasBingo Monthly cost is in TBI statement
11:20 BigTexasBingo Have access 24/7 to space
11:21 BigTexasBingo Locking storage fwiw
11:22 BigTexasBingo And rooftop lounge area for socializing and phone calls
11:22 BigTexasBingo Brb, adventure resumes
11:22 asciilifeform habitable outdoors must be pretty great.
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12:01 BingoBoingo It is indeed, the hours from doce y media through Cuartena y media can be rather hot, but milder than in the homeland
12:03 BingoBoingo !!up _whitelogger
12:03 deedbot _whitelogger voiced for 30 minutes.
12:13 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
12:13 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 13650.0, vol: 13035.50063927 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 13632.0, vol: 64530.65458759 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14066.7, vol: 3056.60516005 | Volume-weighted last average: 13651.3908676
12:14 BingoBoingo Ah, the weekend dollar liquidity crunch
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13:01 BingoBoingo And in Argentines trying Navy Seal copypasta http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/8uKS0/?raw=true
13:05 BingoBoingo No, they are not being considered for jack shit
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13:37 phf i think this is the happiest i've seen BingoBoingo ever
~ 1 hours 34 minutes ~
15:12 TomServo heh FFA Chapter 2 is #1 on hacker news at the moment
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15:17 TomServo http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748919 << something like this? https://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/miniwebproxy
15:17 a111 Logged on 2017-12-08 20:54 asciilifeform: at some point one will need a sort of proxy simply to read heathenwww on anything like human os/iron
15:21 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-09#1749118 << link ?
15:21 a111 Logged on 2017-12-09 20:12 TomServo: heh FFA Chapter 2 is #1 on hacker news at the moment
15:24 asciilifeform TomServo: the proxy thing sounds exactly like what i wanted. primo candidate for tmsrization.
15:25 TomServo asciilifeform: it dropped by the time I thought to archive, https://archive.is/iYTlp
15:27 asciilifeform ty TomServo , https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15887475 has a little ball of lulz already, complete with card-carrying ninjashotgunner,
15:27 asciilifeform !#s tptacek
15:27 a111 17 results for "tptacek", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=tptacek
15:29 TomServo aha, I recognized the name, didn't recall the connection
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16:13 asciilifeform TomServo: see also e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523233 .
16:13 a111 Logged on 2016-08-17 16:54 asciilifeform: all i solidly know of the tptacek fella is his reaction to phuctor.
16:14 asciilifeform elsewhere, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-28#1675980.
16:14 a111 Logged on 2017-06-28 16:09 asciilifeform: beloved sage ideologue of the schneierism komyoonity, author of gems like https://archive.is/ootJi
16:15 asciilifeform d00d is, as i understand, a 'pillar-of-the-komyoonity', i.e. full-time politruk.
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17:24 asciilifeform !!up clambodile
17:24 deedbot clambodile voiced for 30 minutes.
17:26 clambodile Thank you
17:27 asciilifeform who might you be, clambodile ?
17:30 clambodile I would describe myself as "a rando". I found this channel by chance, thought it seemed interesting.
17:31 asciilifeform clambodile: consider reading log, at http://btcbase.org/log and elsewhere, and see chan subjline.
17:32 clambodile asciilifeform: I thought I would lurk for now, if that's aight.
17:33 asciilifeform clambodile: there is no substitute for reading the log, if you want to have even half a clue. but lurk all you like, nobody's stopping anyone from lurking.
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17:53 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-09#1749118 << this attracted such choice intellects last time...
17:53 a111 Logged on 2017-12-09 20:12 TomServo: heh FFA Chapter 2 is #1 on hacker news at the moment
17:54 asciilifeform the q asciilifeform asks each time is 'wai'. it's not unlike learning that you've been featured on radio pyongyang
17:55 mircea_popescu comes with teh territory.
17:55 asciilifeform does it ? i dun recall last time e.g. trilema was '#1 on tardcombinator'
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17:55 mircea_popescu a year or so ?
17:55 asciilifeform possibly i'm not using enuff repellentpowder, lol
17:56 asciilifeform hm possibly yea
17:56 mircea_popescu periodicity of the venues. yearly on that shitpit, monthly on that other shitpit etc.
17:57 * asciilifeform these days finds it hard to muster the givingashit to even follow up on 'was linked from shitpit!11' much of the time
17:59 asciilifeform this time took a peek after all, to see 'are the hannoboecks still on duty'. answ: they are.
17:59 mircea_popescu not hard for them : not wanted anywhere else. what could they possible do all day ?
18:00 asciilifeform dunno, how about they pick up rubbish with bare hands, like in india.
18:01 mircea_popescu notrly.
18:04 trinque I dunno; I would've taken the comparison to Terry Davis as a compliment!
18:04 trinque patron saint of computing juche
18:05 mircea_popescu it's funny how idiocy secretes narrative as its natural metabolism. algae make oxygen and estlatrds make loose stories.
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19:03 mircea_popescu lurking, eh.
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19:34 * asciilifeform fiddles with serverz. the noise -- abominable
19:35 mircea_popescu !!up izabera
19:35 deedbot izabera voiced for 30 minutes.
19:35 izabera hi
19:35 mircea_popescu how goes
19:35 izabera all good, i don't actually need help or anything
19:35 mircea_popescu cool
19:35 izabera just found this chan on https://archive.is/CGQkR
19:35 asciilifeform ohai izabera . are you a customer ?
19:36 izabera nope
19:36 izabera at least not yet
19:36 asciilifeform izabera: the unit is very much still available.
19:37 izabera how many did you actually sell?
19:38 asciilifeform izabera: try asking dell how many servers he sold ?
19:38 mircea_popescu not like it's not in the reports. hundred or so ?
19:38 izabera not bad
19:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: dun think we ever published the exact #. although folx oughta be able to arithmetize.
19:39 mircea_popescu within a degree of magnitude, sorta thing
19:39 asciilifeform 100 was just the first batch ( which sold out last yr )
19:41 izabera are the prices on this page https://archive.is/CNpWm up to date?
19:41 mircea_popescu nah.
19:42 mircea_popescu where was that danielpbarron amazion thing ?
19:42 asciilifeform 0.0395 is the current.
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19:42 izabera still hella expensive
19:43 asciilifeform izabera: i gotta bite : compared to what ?
19:43 izabera a ps4
19:43 asciilifeform someone sells an auditable trng called ps4 ?
19:43 asciilifeform link ?
19:43 mircea_popescu lol ps4
19:43 mircea_popescu wouldja simmer down alfie!
19:43 asciilifeform i mean it is also expensive compared to children's tricycle. but how about comparing similar items..
19:46 izabera i mean you must be aware of btc's recent jump to >15k usd
19:48 mircea_popescu izabera you can prolly pick up some in teh aftermarket ; either amazon or w/e.
19:51 danielpbarron someone bid and won it for 200 USD
19:51 danielpbarron i'll put some more up soon
19:51 mircea_popescu was your last one ?
19:51 danielpbarron i have plenty more
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20:23 asciilifeform !~later tell trinque is your musltronic gentoo recipe posted anywhere ?
20:23 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
20:26 asciilifeform !!up BingoBoingo
20:26 deedbot BingoBoingo voiced for 30 minutes.
20:26 asciilifeform err
20:28 danielpbarron !~later tell izabera https://www.ebay.com/itm/292364922124
20:28 jhvh1 danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
20:28 asciilifeform oh hey notbad biznis danielpbarron has.
20:28 danielpbarron yeah it'
20:29 danielpbarron yeah it's pretty nice. i can't really lose money selling these things
20:29 danielpbarron even when i paid almost 100 USD to ship to that UK guy i still profited quite well for the effort
20:31 asciilifeform possibly folx are less reluctant to part with fiatola than good old coinz
20:32 danielpbarron i replaced the coin used to by mine at the time i bought them, so that works for me
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20:33 * asciilifeform realized not long ago that he's quite ready to pay considerably 'more' in fiatola for a hypothetical item that is also-sold for btc , on account of the difficulty of replenishing the latter
20:46 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-10#1749209 << this is the key of the strategy.
20:46 a111 Logged on 2017-12-10 01:32 danielpbarron: i replaced the coin used to by mine at the time i bought them, so that works for me
20:48 mircea_popescu !!up clambodile
20:48 deedbot clambodile voiced for 30 minutes.
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21:04 asciilifeform !!up clambodile
21:04 deedbot clambodile voiced for 30 minutes.
21:05 asciilifeform clambodile: please get an irc bouncer , or lurk by reading the logs. join/part spamola is not welcome
21:19 cruciform http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20171210/#52 they charged me import duty a fortnight after arrival!
21:19 scriba Logged on 2017-12-10: [01:29:30] <danielpbarron> even when i paid almost 100 USD to ship to that UK guy i still profited quite well for the effort
21:21 cruciform just about finished up with 6 months of logs; turns out I've a LOT of work to do! :-)
21:21 mircea_popescu lol
21:22 mircea_popescu !!up esthlos
21:22 deedbot esthlos voiced for 30 minutes.
21:29 danielpbarron cruciform, if you don't mind, i'm curious what they charged you
21:29 cruciform danielpbarron: £15, iirc
21:32 asciilifeform in other noose, ALL of the 'livedvd' on gentoo's ftp appear to contain poetteringolade ( boots into gui horror, with systemd, 'networkmanager'-at-boot, etc. )
21:36 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: reproducing ben_vulpes' travails ahaha?
21:36 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: reproducing everybody's travails
21:36 ben_vulpes likely with the 'wrist' to make it work
21:36 asciilifeform no exotic archs tho
21:37 ben_vulpes buddy i've been beaten back on entirely conventional archs even of late
21:37 asciilifeform i thought ben_vulpes had a ppc thing
21:37 ben_vulpes among others, yes
21:38 ben_vulpes it is sitting happily on a desk, refusing to ada for reasons of package gcc 4.9 blocks gnat-gpl, which is the point at which i threw up my hands and declared a temporary retrograde advance
21:43 asciilifeform the sad fact re gnat is that there is no known way to build a gnat without an existing (built) gnat.
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21:44 asciilifeform ( the building can happen, however , on any box having a working gnat of whatever type )
21:45 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: if you want to use gcc's gnat, you gotta get old ( 2016 and earlier oughta work ) tarball manually, and build; or obtain the 'obsolete' gentoo ebuild.
21:45 asciilifeform alternatively you can use adacore's item.
21:46 asciilifeform ( i don't know of any particular reason to spit on it )
21:49 ben_vulpes most recently http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740314
21:49 a111 Logged on 2017-11-18 18:10 ben_vulpes: but the very very funny event was the script from the adacore binstaller simply fails, and instructed me to check an empty log file
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22:08 asciilifeform ugh
22:08 asciilifeform that's a first. this was on the ppc? or on pc?
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23:21 ben_vulpes pc
23:24 ben_vulpes cruciform: webirc is going to piss everyone off with join/part spam
23:24 ben_vulpes either get a real bouncer or read the wwwlogz
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