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00:57 BingoBoingo https://sofrep.com/94786/careerism-cronyism-malfeasance-special-warfare-center-end-special-forces-capability/
00:58 BingoBoingo "In the last 24 months, Commanders and/or Sergeants Major at the Group and SWCS level have systematically removed numerous fundamental SF standards, lowered and undermined the grading metrics for others, all while simultaneously ensuring that a gagged cadre population was expressly prohibited from holding students accountable for their academic, physical, and character performance."
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09:02 mats http://phasenoise.livejournal.com/2017/11/3185.html via hn
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09:02 mats also, asciilifeform finally made the front page this morn
09:05 asciilifeform mats: this might explain the flood of fresh liquishit in the comments just nao.
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09:54 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo o check it out, usg self-anticorruption squad ?!
10:00 mircea_popescu lobbes o wow. wd!
10:04 mircea_popescu asciilifeform amphetamine (generally not very pure, and more or less racemic) was used to treat depression in the us from about the 30s. it was also used indiscriminately along with blessed chamrs/amulets and eg pink pills by soldiers.
10:05 mircea_popescu no systematic effort by the army itself to issue it, sure.
10:18 mircea_popescu lmao alf got 50 comments from idiots. hang it there alfie, this isn't any kind of basis for judging blog. hackertards are just trying to drive wedge between man and man's tools.
10:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is the ~only type of comment i historically get. it's a snoar.
10:26 mircea_popescu do not despair!
10:26 asciilifeform every so often somebody linkes from hn, reddit, etc ( and here i was thinking 'aaah, finally permabanned' ! )
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10:40 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/color-revolutions-green-or-today-in-usg-corruption-careerism-cronyism-and-malfeasance-in-the-special-warfare-center/ << Trilema - Color revolutions (green), or today in USG corruption : Careerism, cronyism and malfeasance in the Special Warfare Center
10:44 * mircea_popescu gloats at just how fucking convenient everything about that piece is.
10:46 asciilifeform holy FUQ the kvm thread...
10:46 asciilifeform so many of'em.
10:57 asciilifeform 'o CPT Jimenez, currently in 7th Group, was the single source of several 4th Battalion investigations. He wrote anonymous emails, started IG complaints, or propagated rumors about virtually every single phase of the SFQC. His continual fabrications were verifiably false, and his numerous accusations resulted in several investigations that hampered operations for over a dozen cadre and battalion leadership. Literally every accusation
10:57 asciilifeform he levied was proven inaccurate or untrue. But as a student, he was given complete top cover and left unimpeded to continue creating havoc, and was not held accountable for the numerous integrity violations he committed. He graduated with his peers.' << win.
10:57 asciilifeform somebody give this d00d order of red star.
10:58 asciilifeform and of lenin.
10:58 mircea_popescu heh.
10:58 mircea_popescu cake pic takes the cake.
11:00 asciilifeform reminds of : ''I was such a pure and terrifying Aryan that they even put me in a special detachment. Its mission was to find out how the Jews always knew what the S.S. was going to do next There was a leak somewhere, and we were out to stop it' He looked bitter and affronted, remembering it, even though he had been that leak. 'Was the detachment successful in its mission?' I said. 'I'm happy to say,' said Arpad, 'that fourteen S.S. m
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11:00 asciilifeform en were shot on our recommendation. Adolf Eichmann himself congratulated us.'' (vonnegut's 'mother night' naturally)
11:00 mircea_popescu aha
11:01 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Eznv2/?raw=true << whole thing, ftr. 31333337 w4r3z !111
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11:08 asciilifeform 'SPC Thomas was an 18B trainee. He was first caught attempting to bribe an instructor with beer, and then later had a panic attack during an AAR while in the 18B FTX. During his relief board counseling, he attempted to blackmail 18B cadre by telling them that if relieved and returned to his unit, he would have to annotate that he witnessed the instruction of secret/noforn course material to international students. This was a complete
11:08 asciilifeform ly fabricated event, and later verified as untrue via internal investigation. He then went behind his TAC’s back and, because he had a very good working relationship with his NG Group Commander, produced a memo directing his reclassification as an 18E. Despite all of these acts, he was not relieved, but was given a recycle into the 18E course. He would fail the SFPA and retest twice before being graduated.' << ahaha
11:08 asciilifeform whole thing pretty great.
11:09 mircea_popescu aha.
11:09 mircea_popescu amusingly, it makes a number of historical points for me. "but how could mp have known" etc.
11:09 asciilifeform 'secret/noforn course' << last i heard , every recruit into u.s. army gets auto-seekret. and that orc mercenaries were not inducted into 'socom' to begin with.
11:10 asciilifeform possibly both of these have changed.
11:13 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-30#1744647 << the Right Thing would be 1) also jam the usg gps freqs 2) attach to 9000 strato-balloons, release wherever.
11:13 a111 Logged on 2017-11-30 14:02 mats: http://phasenoise.livejournal.com/2017/11/3185.html via hn
11:13 asciilifeform make sure each operates intermittently, likewise, vs 100% dutycycle
11:14 asciilifeform usg navigational gear has directional antennae, largely dun care re ground-level jammers. jam from above.
11:15 asciilifeform also, elementarily, don't transmit random crapola, transmit signals receive from actual sats, with random delay.
11:15 asciilifeform ( iirc we had the 'physically impossible to make cryptoauthenticable navigational or time signal, as others can receive and retransmit with delay' thread. )
11:16 mircea_popescu we did.
11:16 mircea_popescu of course, i'm unconvinced. include counter for instance.
11:16 asciilifeform how does that help ?
11:17 asciilifeform satellite nav systems work by 'which sats do i see, and what order are the relative signal strengths'. neither is authenticable .
11:17 mircea_popescu "already saw 59065409405, disregarding the newer one"
11:17 asciilifeform this works unidirectionally .
11:17 mircea_popescu a yes, wouldn't work on current item.
11:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well you can't "retransmit" at a time before transmission. so yes unidirectionalyl in time.
11:18 asciilifeform enemy can still fuck you by getting a genuine signal from your own sat, but one which your receiver ought not legitimately to be hearing ( or hearing in the given strength ) , conveying over a fiber, and retransmitting in your loc
11:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the current way gps/glonass works is not authenticated by definition, as you correctly point out.
11:19 asciilifeform this in fact happens naturally in city envir, and is called 'multipath', makes the receiver output ~randomola
11:19 mircea_popescu but the discussion was re an authenticable alt-item that dfun exist.
11:19 asciilifeform not clear how it could exist at all, even with arbitrary equipment -- how do you sign ~the relative signal strengths~
11:20 asciilifeform which are the actual datum in question
11:20 mircea_popescu you don't. here's a model :
11:21 mircea_popescu receiver listens to frequencies for specific quanta of transmission : "this is station X transmitting count Y", rsa-signed. IF the signature verifies, and IF the y was not before seen (and if x on unit's access list etc) THEN the item is placed into quueue, to be sorted by signal strength. otherwise, dropped as noise.
11:21 asciilifeform usg's gps already works on this principle iirc
11:21 mircea_popescu this will require MUCH more powerful sats, evidently, and a lot heavier navgear. but whatever, discussion was re possibility not feasibility.
11:21 mircea_popescu afaik notrly.
11:22 asciilifeform it doesn't help if enemy ~helps~ you pick up a (genuine) signal at higher strength than naturally ought to be seen
11:22 mircea_popescu it helps if you already heard it
11:22 mircea_popescu will discouint 2nd coming\
11:22 asciilifeform correct. but not if you have not.
11:22 mircea_popescu if you have not you're sol.
11:22 asciilifeform recall that it is not physically possible to perfectly sync the clocks, either
11:22 mircea_popescu i recall.
11:23 asciilifeform either on the sats or on the ground.
11:23 mircea_popescu as i say, much heavier gear.
11:23 asciilifeform heavier and still trivially fucked in ~exactly same way
11:23 mircea_popescu but basically, a blockchain-gps will be the next upgraded version of gps
11:23 mircea_popescu possibly hwat china's already doing.
11:23 mircea_popescu dun seem likely the usg is capable of it atany rate.
11:23 asciilifeform it'll change 0 in practice, enemy can still quite easily 'pull' your, e.g., bomber, in some direction off course by amplifying your own genuine signal
11:24 asciilifeform you only need a very small delta for a gigantic offset
11:24 mircea_popescu not necessarily. but yes, small errors are major errors.
11:24 asciilifeform by some accounts this is how cia pulled the korean air whatever# into sov airspace ( albeit with conventional, vs sat., navigatronics )
11:25 mircea_popescu in general -- if enemy can silence your emitters AND retransmit them stronger, there's no saving you.
11:25 mircea_popescu but mitigation si available on both lines there.
11:26 asciilifeform in the case of nav sats, he dun have to silence -- the signal is already quite weak
11:26 mircea_popescu currently.
11:26 asciilifeform ( iirc a few 100w or so at the emitter )
11:26 mircea_popescu as i said, much louder sats.
11:26 asciilifeform louder needs... pebble reactor ? costly. and you get moar multipath.
11:27 mircea_popescu not clear wtf it will need. but yes, in principle a thousand-to-million-ton satellite is warranted by the gps needs. nobody said satellite stays thinspired forever.
11:27 asciilifeform the ease of monkeying with radio nav, is why east and west empires both sank $maxint into terrain-trackers in '80s ( what, if anything, this came to, i have nfi )
11:28 mircea_popescu ~something.
11:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: recall how concept of 'space station' came about ( 'somebody gotta change the vacuum tubes!' - '50s )
11:28 mircea_popescu aha!
11:28 mircea_popescu the problem with terrain trackers is that eg suddenly sahara becomes mega-valuable strategically.
11:28 asciilifeform turned out, there ain't the turkey dollars, for even quite modest station.
11:29 mircea_popescu for the same reason it's not fulla solar panels.
11:29 asciilifeform sahara, bottom of the sea, etc.
11:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform depends where. i don't see china clearly enough to say. maybe they got turkeyws.
11:29 asciilifeform possibly if they quit building ghost towns...
11:30 mircea_popescu maybe that's what they're training for, with the ghost towns.
11:30 asciilifeform the expense of lifting mass into orbit is the real biter; orbital station is comparable to solid gold pyramid
11:30 mircea_popescu terrible, yeah.
11:31 asciilifeform hence why everyone ended up with small, 'disposable' sats.
11:31 mircea_popescu and especially for large item you want in one piece.
11:31 mircea_popescu quite.
11:31 mircea_popescu resistence of materials starts fucking with you rapidly. (daddy, why is there no ant larger than a toyota prius???)
11:32 mircea_popescu "chitin has limits, son"
11:32 asciilifeform ant could be considerably ( though not 'toyota' ) larger if he had lungs
11:32 mircea_popescu if it had lungs it'd have muscles (because current system not powerful enough and because since you got all that oxygen..). ant with lungs and muscles is called rat.
11:33 asciilifeform ( or atmosphere -- richer in o2 -- but this is well known )
11:33 asciilifeform ahalol
11:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform anyway, evidently gas diffusion was a problem. but this was re hypothetical item which is still ant-sized in body, but has really lengthy legs, rather than proportionate scaling
11:37 asciilifeform aa
11:37 mircea_popescu "chitin is great, better than steel for sub-cm foils".
11:37 mircea_popescu once you go over a cm... not so much.
11:38 mircea_popescu the exact same is true of... well... steel. wtf are you going to make the 850`000 ton megasat out of ? "um... poured concrete ?" "what the fuck!?" "hey it worked for bridge engineering"
11:39 mircea_popescu i expect the large sats to be actually weaved, but the materials aren't there yet (and no word on weaved nuclear reactor yet, either)
11:40 mircea_popescu (the iss is about half that, for the curious, and dun do much.)
11:40 mircea_popescu other than that, the salyuts were 20k or so.
11:42 asciilifeform it's a concept in roughly same weight class of technical feasibility as martian dome.
11:42 mircea_popescu nah, many grades under.
11:42 mircea_popescu bridge too far, certainly, but not nearly as far.
11:43 mircea_popescu roughly same weight class as deep sea dome / oil sucker.
11:43 asciilifeform other problem is that - orders of magnitude cheaper to shoot, than to build.
11:44 asciilifeform sorta how terrestrial castles went out of fashion.
11:44 mircea_popescu anyway, the major problem immediately becomes http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-17#1556179
11:44 a111 Logged on 2016-10-17 05:22 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the "interdictor" is this item which has a railgun, a supply of pellets, and a huge array of solar panels etc to power them. this item can then shoot fast pellets towards any other ship, crippling it.
11:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform quite exactly.
11:46 mircea_popescu anyway, back to the "weaved" sf : kinda the whole point of "3d printing", as i saw it at the time. useless wankery but who's gonna make the weaved nuclear reactor.
11:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform here's something you'll appreciate (and perhaps also phf) : https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/2017_East_Africa_Security_Synchronization_Conference_170124-Z-HS473-0041.jpg/800px-2017_East_Africa_Security_Synchronization_Conference_170124-Z-HS473-0041.jpg
11:48 mircea_popescu i dun recall the soviets ever managing such a crisp icon of "the meeting with the politruk".
11:48 mircea_popescu waldhauser's face is worth a million unified standard dosidoes.
11:49 asciilifeform lol!! these look almost familiar
11:49 mircea_popescu marine guy.
11:49 asciilifeform when asciilifeform worked in a u.s. army research nonsense, the brass looked quite like this.
11:50 asciilifeform 50-60y.o.-with-2.5-dogs-3-kids-etc
11:50 mircea_popescu well sure, it's the white man's vhs.
11:52 mircea_popescu (for the complete noob : actual competent, technically minded staff depicted on the left meets ambitious, cerebrally vacuous imperial legate, depicted on the right.)
11:52 mircea_popescu a mute game of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMGu-55sKJs ensues
11:58 asciilifeform in other lulz, N-1 SSDs are here, still waiting for Nth -- because guess what, they're RATIONED for the whateverth-year in a row
11:58 asciilifeform 'can't have plebe building massive ssd farm'
11:58 asciilifeform '3 per customer' etc
11:58 asciilifeform from EVERY vendor, by not-particularly-well-concealed organized cartel by samsung et al
11:59 asciilifeform 'all dealers : N limit per-customers -- or you'll pay retail'
11:59 mircea_popescu heh
12:00 mircea_popescu this isn't true, incidentally, i bought sixty a few weeks ago.
12:01 asciilifeform depends strongly on which.
12:01 asciilifeform ( e.g. if you want the server-grade non-'3d nand' , then quite difficult to get more than handful at a time , unless you're buying by the pallet )
12:03 mircea_popescu ah. maybe then
12:03 mircea_popescu i didn't look that deeply into it.
12:04 asciilifeform substantial diff in mtbf.
12:04 asciilifeform ( the konsoomer crapola is subj to spontaneous failures of whole orchestra )
12:05 mircea_popescu they all are fwis.
12:14 asciilifeform detectably variably. as a rule, denser -> moar shit.
12:14 asciilifeform survives fewer writes.
12:15 mircea_popescu so you throw them out sooner. same shit.
12:15 asciilifeform ( and, in the ultra-dense arrays, more interestingly : reads (!) )
12:15 asciilifeform hence why i use the cheaper ones at home. but on other hand in orbit...
12:15 asciilifeform ( or in cement... )
12:16 * asciilifeform brb,meat
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12:36 lobbes http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-30#1744657 << didja know wikitardia links to your blog too ("under further reading")? >> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Naggum
12:36 a111 Logged on 2017-11-30 15:26 asciilifeform: every so often somebody linkes from hn, reddit, etc ( and here i was thinking 'aaah, finally permabanned' ! )
12:43 mircea_popescu lel is alf teh usg-annointed new naggum ?
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13:05 asciilifeform lolwut
13:05 asciilifeform aah that was old snoar, links to my piece re subj
13:06 asciilifeform possibly i even spammed it in meself many years ago. ( for some reason was not yet kicked from pediwikia then; naggum after all was not mircea_popescu... )
13:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform << “He’s dead, Jim” << how do you even produce the windows quotes ?
13:09 asciilifeform y'mean wordpressquotes
13:09 asciilifeform ( prolly oughta did in the phpolade, untouched since '07 or so, and see wtf gives )
13:10 asciilifeform gotta wonder who was thinking , with what organ, 'hey y'know what users will luvvv? if we replace their input with random liquishit'
13:24 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1927&cpage=1#comment-18326 << typical lolcat linked ftr.
13:28 mircea_popescu o yeah right you are, prolly wp ineptitude.
13:28 mircea_popescu mp wp is fixed in this way :D
13:29 asciilifeform incidentally none of the 4 versions of winblowz i have at the ready, produce 'windows quotes'...
13:29 asciilifeform they're traditionally associated with crapple.
13:29 mircea_popescu ah
13:29 asciilifeform ipnoje etc. will (by default, there's a toggle) emit'em.
13:30 asciilifeform at some point i'ma plunder mpwp for useful patches again ( i lost steam when discovered that the spam filtrator cannot be made to work on my hoster )
13:31 asciilifeform so far the only item i was able to crib was the gpg formatter.
13:34 asciilifeform in other curios, http://trilema.com/2017/color-revolutions-green-or-today-in-usg-corruption-careerism-cronyism-and-malfeasance-in-the-special-warfare-center/#comment-123715
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13:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform apparently dood had a treasure trove of such lulz.
13:57 asciilifeform 'By their accounts, Cmdr. Tom Sobiek, the commanding officer, convened instructors who had expressed concerns about the women's flying. Sobiek allegedly said that "the women are going to graduate regardless of how they performed." One officer summarized Sobiek as saying, "you guys don't understand, this is bigger than all of us, these women are going to graduate no matter what."' << prettygreat.
13:57 mircea_popescu empire only knows one move.
13:58 asciilifeform find new and new crops of fresh 'we owe everything we have to the great inca' nobodies ?
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13:59 mircea_popescu basically, inflaiton. "this is the new currency, worth 1/10 what it was buy you deem it as acceptable substitute"
14:00 asciilifeform that's the other side of the medal aha. i was speaking of what this move pays for -- the added biomass.
14:00 mircea_popescu !~google gulf of sidra incident
14:00 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: 1989 air battle near Tobruk - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_air_battle_near_Tobruk>; Gulf of Sidra incident (1981) - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Sidra_incident_(1981)>; Gulf of Sidra incident - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Sidra_incident>
14:01 mircea_popescu back when usg could actually repel three dozen enemy aircraft, even libya had them.
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14:31 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-30#1744625 << this is an interesting item, and worth picking up briefly again -- there's 2 aspects : a) kinetics b) active-after-all 'inactive' ingredients
14:31 a111 Logged on 2017-11-30 03:03 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744530 << note that the alcohol discussion is re taste. they all get you drunk. (arguably not the same drunk, i guess, but anyway)
14:32 mircea_popescu yes.
14:32 asciilifeform ask the marijuanists, for instance, re 'strains', or effect of eating vs smoke etc.
14:32 mircea_popescu very simple rule is, drink straight alcohol (i do mean, pharmaceutically pure, 99.999%) to get an idea how your drunkedness goes.
14:33 mircea_popescu then you can proceed to compare the unbeatable ro plumb distillate / fine old french wines etc with the tequilla/bisulphited california wine/random swill.
14:33 asciilifeform at one time was rite of passage for medical men
14:33 mircea_popescu proper alcohol (which includes no grains as well as nothing ever made by any english speaker anywhere) gives you a very pleasant, mellow morning after. a fine reason to drink is not even the drunkedness but THE "HANGOVER".
14:34 mircea_popescu the improper wood-and-rags ooze will give you headaches, blurred vision, sickness, etcetera etcetera.
14:34 asciilifeform i find it interesting that 'cause of hangover' is still in dispute
14:34 mircea_popescu by whom
14:34 asciilifeform after what, n thou. yrs.
14:35 asciilifeform i wasn't aware that the matter was ever settled .
14:35 mircea_popescu well, according to some idiots somewhere there exists such a thing as african literature
14:35 mircea_popescu what matter is ever settled.
14:35 asciilifeform ( 'distillation byproduct theory', 'dehydration theory', 'vitaminosis theory' etc )
14:36 mircea_popescu hey, alcohol intake will deplete water and various metabolytes in the liver, that's how that goes.
14:36 asciilifeform right. prolly a constellation of all 3
14:39 mircea_popescu you can be as hydrated and vitaminized as you wish, anything diageo sells is going to give you a hangover.
14:43 asciilifeform what's diageo
14:43 ben_vulpes grainbooze makes for nasty distillation byproducts? or what is the difference between fruit and grain spirits that makes for this difference in hangover quality
14:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the continuator of gangster era alcohol production methids. sells of all the 40% abv crap distinctly labelled but singuarily produced.
14:46 mircea_popescu same vat powers the "beefeather" gin as the "Smirnoff" vodka as the "walker" whisky as the everything else.
14:46 asciilifeform would be surprising if ~all of usa rotgut wasn't made together at some equiv of 'unilever' yea
14:46 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes i have no deeper understanding than european alimentary tradition. fruit alcohol only item fit for human consumption.
14:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform its name being... diageo.
14:47 asciilifeform usa managed to ruin fruit alcohols also, however.
14:47 asciilifeform ( bisulphate etc )
14:48 mircea_popescu there's a coupla "competitive" alt-flavoured soda producers (they call the swill beer for some reason), as a direct result of distilled spirits available in the anglo world beiong so fucking toxic
14:48 mircea_popescu "heineken" flavoured sprite is just as toxic, of course, but because the angloworld swallows so much soda anyway, the effects are not specifically detectable.
14:49 asciilifeform ( in other lulz, 'New top story on Hacker News: The Peculiarly Quiet Decline and Fall of the KVM ' -- twatter )
14:50 ben_vulpes fuckin a inbev owns pilsner urquell too
14:50 mircea_popescu it's not practical to run independents in nato reich. they're all government agencies.
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17:03 mircea_popescu !!up mquander
17:03 deedbot mquander voiced for 30 minutes.
17:05 mquander oh hi. i don't know much about this channel/project/republic, i joined because it got a shoutout in my RSS (http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1762) so i came to see what's up
17:05 mircea_popescu cool.
17:05 mircea_popescu got a rsa key ?
17:06 mquander i haven't used deedbot, so no, not yet, i will go do it once i clearly understand the mechanism
17:07 mircea_popescu rsa key is a basic tool of computer literacy anyway. like ability to write down own name basic standard of traditional literacy.
17:07 ben_vulpes mquander: https://quander.me/ this you ?
17:08 mquander mircea_popescu: i understand asymmetric encryption and RSA
17:08 mircea_popescu that loads something ?
17:08 mquander ben_vulpes: yes
17:08 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: aye, on a heathen dnsulated thing
17:08 mircea_popescu archive.is dun see it.
17:08 ben_vulpes http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/edeGY/?raw=true
17:09 mircea_popescu ty
17:09 ben_vulpes > mongodb
17:09 ben_vulpes REEEEEEEEEE
17:09 ben_vulpes jus' playin, mquander.
17:09 mquander ben_vulpes: i quit that job :)
17:09 mircea_popescu mquander you know eulora's been looking for coders liek forever.
17:11 mircea_popescu not to mention various pieces of trilema refiction awaiting their literary criticists.
17:12 mquander as you might surmise, i did not know that because until just now i didn't know about eulora, but i like MUDs and MMOs so i will be interested to look at it
17:12 mquander anyway afk for now getting work done
17:12 mircea_popescu aaand in other ancient lulz, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1960821.0
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17:22 ben_vulpes and glories of late-nineties web design: http://www.roget.org/hierarchy.htm
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17:46 asciilifeform lol did i just narrowly miss the next laddel ??
17:46 asciilifeform 2 dan AGA Go << iftrue, notbad.jpg
17:47 asciilifeform though 'I'm also active in the San Francisco Bay Area Less Wrong community'...
17:48 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-30#1744885 << hey mircea_popescu , didja know!, that the proof ain't proofyenuff, 'has he signed addresses that prove he is that wealthy? how do we know for a fact?', i had nfi !
17:48 a111 Logged on 2017-11-30 22:12 mircea_popescu: aaand in other ancient lulz, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1960821.0
17:48 mircea_popescu there's no shortage of lulz.
17:49 asciilifeform 'he and his group has enough bitcoins (up to billion+)' << trololol this has gotta be a shot for comedy prize
17:49 mircea_popescu billcoins.
17:49 asciilifeform billclitcoin
17:53 mircea_popescu in other when-did-america-die 1990s memorabilia : https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/navy/tailhook/favors.html
17:54 mircea_popescu inviting local college to slut out as tailhookers and well... http://femmesetleurstresors.f.e.pic.centerblog.net/d7acb081.jpg
17:55 asciilifeform lol!
17:56 mircea_popescu https://www.tailhook.net/AVSLANG.htm << better list than the hacker lexicon, in purely lexical terms, and an evident source of the pencildick's envious, unreferenced cultural appropriation.
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17:57 mircea_popescu i can understand why the people that invented swinging'd be a little bit cooler than the people that invented tech support.
17:57 asciilifeform the pre-esr 'jargonfile' was not halfbad
17:57 asciilifeform toobad it's unavailable afaik anywhere on the net now.
17:58 asciilifeform ( d00d is the singlehanded author of just about all of the dubious/objectionable crapola therein )
17:58 mircea_popescu not too bad but not too large and nowhere near "kick the tires, light the fires..."
17:58 asciilifeform notably missing is the piss-on-the-tyres
17:58 asciilifeform or was that only in su
17:59 mircea_popescu i expect.
17:59 asciilifeform 'Knife Fight in a Phone Booth' << prettygreat
17:59 asciilifeform ww2-era flyers had even more colour to'em
17:59 asciilifeform sadly whole profession ended up pencilated.
17:59 mircea_popescu most of this is attempted-preservation of the perceived grandeur.
17:59 asciilifeform aha
18:00 asciilifeform it's dead as the dodo today tho.
18:00 mircea_popescu well sure.
18:00 mircea_popescu even in the 90 ie 91, i don't expect a majority of nubile collegiate sluts perceived AS AN OBLIGATION the invitation to whore out for the airmen.
18:04 asciilifeform profession had a happy childhood and youth and that's more than many other professions get.
18:04 mircea_popescu true.
18:04 asciilifeform today jet man is more or less a programmer with uncommonly unpleasant working condition.
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18:06 asciilifeform ( tru, he doesn't have to program in 'rails'. but then again wwwist dun have to piss into a tube. )
18:10 asciilifeform 'Tits Machine. A good, righteous airplane. Current airplanes need not apply, this is a nostalgic term referring to birds gone by. By all accounts the F-8 Crusader was a tits machine.'
18:11 mircea_popescu i can see the point re "birds gone by". by the time your fighter jet comes with "and don't turn left lest its jew nose cuts off engine compressor" its like... WHO DID THIS IN RAILS!
18:13 asciilifeform not as if the 'gone by' didn't come with a lengthy list of 'don't do', and various arcana ( e.g. required manual fiddling with fuel mixture, radiator cowling, etc )
18:13 mircea_popescu matter of expectations.
18:14 mircea_popescu at the time enemy is happy his propeller isn't cast in concrete, you can put up with tasting the fuel.
18:14 asciilifeform 'Admiral’s Doorbell. The yellow button in an F/A-18 cockpit that jettisons all the external stores in an emergency. If you hit it, you’ll be “ringing the admiral's doorbell” to explain why.'
18:15 asciilifeform btw folx who enjoy the subj like, will also enjoy http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-08#1579985 ( i have nfi if translated into anything )
18:15 a111 Logged on 2016-12-08 18:28 asciilifeform: gymnasts may not be perfect example. when you have a role where the training per se is costly, you're stuck picking. e.g., pilots; i recently read a quite interesting autobio, 'Обречены на подвиг' ('condemned to heroism', roughly) by su flying d00d / instructor / colonel. described how children having any physical imperfection, even tooth cavity, were mercilessly rejected from flight academy even if they passed all of
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18:17 asciilifeform *link
18:20 mircea_popescu i dunno about cavities ; but training commander mp would sack pilots who fail to synchronize bowel movements to "half hour before flight duty" within the first month.
18:20 mircea_popescu "genetic inadequacy for job"
18:21 asciilifeform item referred to pre-pre-pre-pre...flight selections
18:21 asciilifeform i.e. in end of grade school.
18:21 mircea_popescu myea
18:21 asciilifeform in a very poor country , where machines order of magnitude scarcer, dearer, than meat.
18:24 asciilifeform nao re cavities, i do not specifically know the su air corps logic. possibly bad teeth in a boy were considered a mark of innate intractability to discipline; possibly some more basic, orcish 'choosing two potatoes, pick the symmetric and unblemished' formula.
18:25 asciilifeform iirc there was a trilema re whores , where was a line 'when vastly more items than slots, gotta pick ~somehow~'
18:25 mircea_popescu im sure
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20:58 asciilifeform meanwhile, in world of wikitards, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1927&cpage=1#comment-18369
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22:16 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
22:16 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9768.26, vol: 24838.62685390 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 9677.2, vol: 122749.34195273 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9871.0, vol: 6717.04767699 | Volume-weighted last average: 9700.29431853
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23:12 asciilifeform in other lulz, ch.1 of ffa article series just about done.
23:12 asciilifeform expect it tomorrow.
23:12 asciilifeform ( + vgenesis )
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23:28 mod6 cool!
23:34 BingoBoingo TBI statement baking
23:34 BingoBoingo Reading S.MG statements and S.NSA statements to see how the problem of spending has been handled in past republican ventures
23:35 mod6 Ladies and Gentlemen of The Most Serene Republic, The Bitcoin Foundation's STATE OF BITCOIN ADDRESS: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000278.html
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