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02:27 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, is it hard to make timezone settable from www ? then can get free faux cross of page boundaries
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02:27 mircea_popescu (imho minor point of little utility ; i mistly ask out of curiosity)
02:29 mircea_popescu re forth, so what, make another starflight ?
02:41 mircea_popescu and yes, multiline select is useful, put it in
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02:57 mircea_popescu in other ends-of-line, utc (maker of elevators) is merging its aerospace division with raytheon.
02:58 mircea_popescu in simple words, the F35 failure is bringing about a winter the likes of which was never seen ; previous achievement of lisp monkeys nowhere within 1%
02:59 mircea_popescu continuing trend set with "civil air managed to lose early 2010s the combined profits realised since man discovered flight" (and then continued by obama's ending of nasa to redirect the money no more properly african goals), white man is actually getting out of aerospace altogether.
03:01 mircea_popescu Let halves of aeroplanes turn overhead, their smoking, broken cockpits dripping "it is done"...
03:04 mircea_popescu there was, of course, no supersonic civil flight since the concorde/tu144 retirements, so i suppose we could use 1970s as a high water mark. but if anyone's having kids these days, i believe by the time they're our age their only interaction with flight will be in the hanging-on-ropes format.
03:16 mircea_popescu perhaps best illustration of the point : UTC hq from 1975 UTC hq from 2015 (ex otis elevator hq)
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05:46 mircea_popescu in other illustrations, https://ufprzuhk9mggpbx4-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Screech_Owl_named_Fod_found_on_USS_Harry_S._Truman_CVN_75-1024x768.jpg
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06:09 mircea_popescu meanwhile in highlights : the sr71 was probably man's greatest achievement wrt flight. item carried no flares/countermeasures, because its defense if fired upon was to... accelerate, and outrun the missile. mach 3 capable, flying at 20-25km, never shot down, its parts fit so loosely on the ground (because of the significant temperature variation it operated under, between relatively cold on the ground and very hot in super
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06:09 mircea_popescu sonic flight) that its fucking tanks leaked fuel on takeoff ~as a design feature~.
06:10 mircea_popescu did 1km/s too
06:15 mircea_popescu (great story re fabrication, too. item is 80%+ titanium, can't be washed in tap water, can't be touched with cadmium-plated tools, its story is totally worth reading from an 'achievement of human mechanical engineering' perspective.)
06:19 mircea_popescu oh, and of course it burns synthetic fuel, rather than distillate. so yes, chemical engineering too.
06:19 mircea_popescu possibly the "last great story"
06:30 mircea_popescu 'find out how a loose assemblage of rare metal parts flew on insecticide', how about that for a title.
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06:50 mircea_popescu (and, while at it, how the first analog computers were developed -- no, it wasn't bomb calculators, it was jet engine air intake anti-unstarters for applications such as this guy.)
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07:29 mircea_popescu speaking of http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-07-31#1925848 , old woman cheney's moans about the sr-71's expensiveness should probably be mentioned also. inconsequential moron, which is how he escaped mention then, but instrumental in the edifying of idiocy-us, the successor state to vhs-america.
07:29 snsabot Logged on 2019-07-31 13:15:34 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925836 << this is quite factual ; the old women in this are mccain, [trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-are-antipsychotics-overprescribed-to-kids-adnotated/][grassley] etc.
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08:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, here's a logger webpage weird : http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log correctly displays no future date,
08:48 mircea_popescu ''← 2019-08-09" ; but http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09 displays the empty 10th link, "← 2019-08-08 | 2019-08-10 →"
08:48 mircea_popescu it's pisicological disconcerting!
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09:25 mircea_popescu incidentally, i'm quite happy with jfw 's "Actually "mod_lisp" is perhaps a misnomer; it could be viewed as a generic IPC interface that comes with a Lisp implementation of the server side." comment.
09:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'ma look re the date
09:27 mircea_popescu apache is in many parts a better system (in the sense of "system" used in "systems design) than the post-poettering and especially post-linus kernels ; mod_lisp may be a decent way to get lisp running in practice
09:27 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927076 << doable, i'ma put in eventually
09:27 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-10 02:27:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, is it hard to make timezone settable from www ? then can get free faux cross of page boundaries
09:28 mircea_popescu !qs http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html
09:28 snsabot 1 results for "http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html" in #trilema
09:28 mircea_popescu incredible, i never had that atrocious outrage ambered before ?!
09:29 mircea_popescu btw asciilifeform is it practical to have an archival of links it sees bolted on to bot ?
09:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: of pastes and txt links , phf-style, is planned. of general html liquishit, a la arch.is -- not planned, it is serious open problem
09:31 mircea_popescu myeah
09:32 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927087 << at one time i had a framed portrait (gift) hanging on wall. 1 of most beautiful machines ever built.
09:32 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-10 06:09:42 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in highlights : the sr71 was probably man's greatest achievement wrt flight. item carried no flares/countermeasures, because its defense if fired upon was to... accelerate, and outrun the missile. mach 3 capable, flying at 20-25km, never shot down, its parts fit so loosely on the ground (because of the significant temperature variation it operated under, between relatively cold on the ground and very hot in super
09:33 asciilifeform and k. johnson, 'the man who saw air', took it from drawing to flight in iirc <1yr !
09:33 asciilifeform whereas the idjit brass cancelled it and ~ordered the tooling destroyed~
09:34 mircea_popescu large undergirth of the whole "republican-democrat" debate being pepsicans. most of the manginas involved were republicans.
09:35 asciilifeform iirc it was axed as a 'lisp machine', cost like 100 ordinary jets. and they thought 'world's most golden toilet', the time of f35 , that ate ~three decades~ in promisetronic phase and now flying clothes iron... had not come yet
09:36 asciilifeform ( meanwhile in su they quietly built mach5+ machine... )
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09:37 asciilifeform btw the operator manual of sr71 was published in '90s, prolly on the net somewhere to this day, was interesting read
09:37 mircea_popescu but yes, the sort of thing involved there, such as "listen sonny, ever heard of Schlieren flow visualisation ? no ? look here, this is supersonic jet in flight!" are the primary dirvers of intelligent adolescents even putting in the work to become adult engieners in the first fuckin gplace
09:37 mircea_popescu meanwhile, cheney's stupid cunt of a daughter inherited his wyoming ealrdom.
09:38 * asciilifeform had roommate at uni, who got degree in building jets. but then realized -- no serious work. now astronomer..
09:39 asciilifeform fella wanted to fly personally, got license even. but never afaik saved enuff for plane...
09:40 asciilifeform last letter from him was years ago, he moved to a http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926670 , asked advice re choice of shotgun
09:40 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-09 04:02:39 mp_en_viaje: 3) the whole of it was always hanging out with the cool people. i don't mean, "cool", as in, swag. i mean cool as in david lynch quote above, dork bought a 12 room house for $3500 in th worst gangland he could find for his wife and newborn kid and lived there, "the fear was palpable"
09:50 mircea_popescu WRONG model. you don't want to grow cunts into "careerwomen" ; you want to grow boys into engineers.
09:51 mircea_popescu if there's ten, ten million or no dumb cunts sitting around their holy tree or whatever the fuck chanting their spurious nonsense it makes no fucking difference whatsoever.
09:53 mircea_popescu obviously from THEIR pov if there isn't any such thing as a spear to fucking poke them until they submit (yes, the SPEAR was the original society-changer, turned human tribes from matriarchy to patriarchy because finally there was an efficient way to make the dumb cunts stfu with their dumb nonsense) all the better ; but theirs isn't a legitimate pov.
09:53 mircea_popescu theirs is a pov which MUST BE REPRESSED.
09:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, re the sr being expensive : it was not particularly expensive, even by the day's standards. it was however besed by the dumb cunt lobby who, for instance, WOULD NOT permit it get upgraded with a data link, SPECIFOCALLY so they could claim "useless -- data only avsilable on landing"
09:58 mircea_popescu same bunch of morons who ALSO pushed through very expensive but otherwise mostly pointless sensor upgrade -- also specifically so as to claiom "costly"
09:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: as i understand, it fell victim to the idjit internal wars b/w diff 'competing' golden toilet houses
09:58 mircea_popescu but yes, the cunt lobby wants the tools destroyed, because the only thing that can oppose "let
09:58 mircea_popescu s sit in a circle and pick lice out of each other" is tooling.
09:59 asciilifeform same folx ordered all apollo kit destroyed.
10:01 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927117 << amusingly, the sr was built entirely out of titanium exfiltrated from a remarkably cluess soviet union (large portion of the "private companies" in the afore-mentioned germany-switzerland ***trade was this) ; nobody else had the rutile sands.
10:01 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-10 09:36:22 asciilifeform: ( meanwhile in su they quietly built mach5+ machine... )
10:01 snsabot Logged on 2017-11-14 17:19:44 mircea_popescu: via switzerland or directly.
10:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re upstack , and yer gonna 'luvv' this -- i have the date link thing on operating table right nao, and loox like bug in... 'flask'
10:02 mircea_popescu heh
10:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re titanium -- they still sell it. (quasi-monopoly. but -- and common misconception -- it aint because of the sands, at least not directly; but rather because ru has the only seriously developed infrastructure for ti metallurgy )
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10:03 diana_coman lmao; I puzzled when first saw there "flask" - but then again, not sure one can bake www-anything quickly without importing any mess
10:04 mircea_popescu in other same "burn down tools" : what unites the here discussed sr71 and the other excellent us plane ever built, the warthhog ?
10:04 snsabot Logged on 2018-08-29 12:10:45 mircea_popescu: pro tip : the thompson's a passible concrete cutter. it comes from the same mental era as http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=warthog ; made by the same people for the same reasons, abandoned by the same cucks for the same reasons.
10:04 * diana_coman had no idea what flask was and barely got an idea after looking it up when it popped up in stan's logger
10:04 asciilifeform diana_coman: 'flask' is the py people's equiv. of 'hunchentoot'. eats the @app.route('/log/<chan>/<date>') etc sugars , does the 'html madlibs' thing on the 'templates' (a la 'cl-who') etc
10:05 mircea_popescu a: they both had this projected faint light line around the cockpit representing the true horizon. set so faint as to disappear in direct vision, it nevertheless informed the (more sensitive) peripheral vision, preventing accidents wonderfully!
10:05 mircea_popescu every time alf goes on about "mind enhancing tools" the pvhd is my mental model.
10:05 asciilifeform diana_coman: picked it up when wrote phuctor, in 2013, 'on drumskin' in literally a day
10:05 mircea_popescu pretty much ONLY KNOWN SYSTEM where truthfully and genuinely, the promise of "drugs" or "tools" or whatever is actually fullfilled.
10:06 mircea_popescu i'll be really happy to hear of another.
10:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: is interesting in fact to read about the era of flight before 'instruments'. lots and lotsa corpses on acct of 'seat of pants' as sole instrument
10:06 mircea_popescu and no, of course "not needed", "do we still have to DO that". because why the fuck learn from the few and far between successes of that sorry failed republic.
10:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, aha. as it happens human inner ear uniquely unfit for flight.
10:07 mircea_popescu gets "hallucinations"
10:07 asciilifeform not only inner ear, but just about whole of flight instruction is about beating the 'intuitive' behaviours out of the student.
10:07 mircea_popescu quite.
10:07 asciilifeform consider why 'spin' was at one pt considered 100% fatal
10:07 mircea_popescu much like what makes a half decent soldier, or generally a half decent human being,
10:07 asciilifeform ( 'natural' reactions of untaught flyer, ~amplify~ spin )
10:08 mircea_popescu meanwhikle at cuntcamps, gut feelings are your guardian angel
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10:09 mircea_popescu and yes, indeed their are -- her fucking guardian angels. never the fuck mine, holy shit burn the whole thing down.
10:09 asciilifeform lol do i even want to load that link...
10:10 mircea_popescu load, load, why not. perfectly anti-reality nonsense, crafted to appeal to a certain sort of moron.
10:11 mircea_popescu telling a girl she's complete is like telling a pig it's a sparrow.
10:12 * asciilifeform read; loox like 'gargauni' on parade
10:14 asciilifeform will throw in hanbot's http://thewhet.net/2013/09/your-feelings-are-out-to-get-you/ , nao these opposite charges can meet and produce gamma burst!1
10:17 diana_coman ugh; I still call it misnomer though; "growing" like a tree without any internal work still doesn't mean that everyone's just as hollow
10:20 diana_coman to link it to the previous thread, it seems to me quite similar to saying that "instinct" of noob pilot is shit, therefore instinct of *any* pilot, experience be damned, is just as shit; I seriously doubt this.
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10:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'date' thing fixed. did find that clock on the box has drifted by + ~40min (it dun 'ntp'ism or any such.) suppose ought to fix (and get then phf-style odd timestamps) or leave alone ?
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10:25 asciilifeform btw possibly i mentioned, but the historic timestamps are all over the place
10:25 asciilifeform when wrote 1st draft of logotron, i made mistake of sorting ~by time~, ended up with soup displayed
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10:26 asciilifeform (no one admitted to noticing, when put up 1st draft as demo w/ old logs. but i noticed as soon as started reading vintage logs through it)
10:27 asciilifeform seems like phf also occasionally went 'hey clock drifted by 40min, let's move it'
10:28 asciilifeform this is almost enuff to give asciilifeform itch to install rubidium clock at piz
10:28 asciilifeform ( naturally wont do anyffin for the historic timestamps, which are apparently rubbish )
10:30 asciilifeform diana_coman: i dun see any disagreement -- the 'instinct' developed by trained pilot is very diff item from 'instinct' 'developed' by rube over years of being rube.
10:32 asciilifeform see also..
10:32 snsabot Logged on 2018-03-24 12:14:29 mircea_popescu: right. rather in fact like respiration -- everyone has it, and ALL THE TIME ; it takes al schwartz to blow rather than inhale when organometallic fireball's going on.
10:34 diana_coman well yes, but only the second should be called instinct, the first is at best some preprogrammed/random reaction, dunno (and same for feelings really; out of nothing, there's no feelings, only preprogrammed or random reactions)
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10:35 diana_coman "first" -> noob above; "second" - training + experience
10:36 asciilifeform diana_coman: the set of reactions that killed ww1 pilots in spins are properly called 'instinct', they're reflexes which make sense when land creature e.g. slips on ice and moves to right itself
10:36 diana_coman in other words, it's no surprise walkers on soil have in fact absolutely no instinct for flying quickly high up in the air;
10:36 asciilifeform simply dun work in air
10:37 asciilifeform ( the other bit, is that vestibular 'stone' aint anyffin like a perfect gyro, it has substantial 'stickiness' )
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10:40 asciilifeform pretty much all folx working in 'untypical' environ, must rely on instruments and specifically learn to ignore naive reflex ; not only pilots, but e.g. sea divers
10:41 asciilifeform diana_coman: do you like to shoot ? recall when noob, and had to learn not to flinch from recoil ?
10:41 asciilifeform there's this 'anticipatory twitch' most folx start with
10:42 diana_coman asciilifeform: dunno, if you define instinct as "automated path", then it can be acquired even for "untypical environ" and essentially the only thing is when one says "instinct" generically like that since it's not "one" but many and the whole thing is to know /be able to choose the right one
10:42 asciilifeform rright, can be acquired, but is higher brain function
10:43 diana_coman asciilifeform: sadly I never shot guns, no; (shot some bow and arrow but other than that, kills were of a more lower class countryside style rather than lord of the mannor)
10:44 asciilifeform aa, it's an example i always use with usa folx, they usually go 'aha'
10:44 asciilifeform possibly memory of how learned bicycle as a child also worx
10:45 diana_coman heh, I learnt to cycle when I was...~24 :|
10:45 diana_coman but because of that, I know precisely what it took - a very lucid learning, let's say; not "intuitive", no
10:47 asciilifeform there's a set of 'think instead of reflex' that folx learn when start to drive auto, also
10:47 asciilifeform it is moar or less universal thing
10:49 asciilifeform just about all types of transport moar complicated than pair of boots, require.
10:49 diana_coman but fwiw I think I know what you mean; the "gut instinct" is not a generally-good thing; it's good at what it's good and doesn't translate well to dissimilar environment basically
10:49 asciilifeform aha.
10:49 diana_coman funnily enough re driving I had the precise opposite trouble: had to trust a bit more *some*O!!
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10:50 diana_coman lolz
10:50 diana_coman uhm, some reflex too
10:50 asciilifeform it's 'firmware call', but the firmware is 1e6 y.o., and in certain cases outta date..
10:52 diana_coman the way I see it, it's simply shortcut obtained through experience; hence my statement above that it's not and cannot be out of nothing just like that; even what seems as "out of nothing" is just...forgot when learnt rather than truly out of nothing
10:52 diana_coman and hence the trouble with different environment - if different enough, the previous experience is worse than useless because actively hinders
10:55 asciilifeform there's an infamous legend from '80s from some comp center where a vt100 was found to be mysteriously defective, no one could log in. electricals found to be 100% proper, no one could say why. until someone noticed that the table it sat on was too low, and folx ended up ~looking at keys~ instead of keying 'blind'. and 2 letters were swapped...
10:57 asciilifeform ( this evokes laffs today, but vt100 cost what ~toyota cost )
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11:13 asciilifeform ACHTUNG, panzers ! logotron vpatch set nao includes multilineism an' the date thing.
11:14 asciilifeform ^ diana_coman et al
11:16 asciilifeform ( how to multiline ? example in http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1927070 . )
11:16 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-09 23:35:24 asciilifeform: in other noose, mircea_popescu : http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09?ss=1927022&se=1927024#1927022
11:18 diana_coman nice
11:18 * diana_coman is still looking for "where to host bot, wtf"
11:19 asciilifeform i'ma add in coming days the 'raw line export' thing. but then ideally to get back in peh
11:19 asciilifeform diana_coman: i've been thinking of getting a box in same ru place mircea_popescu once used
11:19 asciilifeform ( to move asciilifeform's www )
11:20 asciilifeform iirc them
11:21 asciilifeform i dun recall hearing any serious barf. ( and i think somebody still has a trb noad there )
11:22 asciilifeform trinque had some box in asia, iirc also, but that's where deedbot disconnected ~daily , iirc
11:23 asciilifeform i'd rather not spend megabux on heathen hosters, but to put ~all~ in 1 cage is to tempt fate
11:24 diana_coman asciilifeform: my node is in singapore and it's been running perfectly fine
11:24 diana_coman but I don't really want the logger there too
11:25 asciilifeform lessee what mircea_popescu remembers re the ru people (supposing i didn't dream it)
11:27 diana_coman eh, the way I see it is more of an opportunity to look around again and try perhaps some datacenters
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11:27 asciilifeform diana_coman: atm i'm somewhat curious whether the logotron is even reproducible
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11:27 asciilifeform (or only worx b/c asciilifeform has a particular ancient gentoo by happenstance)
11:27 diana_coman after all, it's a logger, not something terribly sensitive
11:28 asciilifeform diana_coman: a stolen logbot could be used to piss some garbage unto the chan while folx sleep, but that's more or less the max damage
11:29 diana_coman and easily spotted + cleaned anyway, yes.
11:29 asciilifeform the moar serious concern is time of operator, if it regularly barfs, will have to either go in and spoon-feed it or throw out
11:29 diana_coman sure; but: throw out, obv.
11:29 asciilifeform i suspect that this is what gave various folx the phobia of 'make logger'
11:31 * diana_coman will bbl
11:31 asciilifeform diana_coman: i suppose the 'max pain' zone is when barfs, but not often enuff to trigger 'obv., let's throw out' heh
11:31 * asciilifeform also bbl, teatime
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12:10 asciilifeform oh hey guesswat, mircea_popescu , http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-11-30#1744899 nao 404 !
12:10 snsabot Logged on 2017-11-30 17:56:47 mircea_popescu: https://www.tailhook.net/AVSLANG.htm << better list than the hacker lexicon, in purely lexical terms, and an evident source of the pencildick's envious, unreferenced cultural appropriation.
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14:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, incidentally, thee up/down references showing eg http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927117 was referenced later were very useful ; can put in ?
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14:22 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-10 09:36:22 asciilifeform: ( meanwhile in su they quietly built mach5+ machine... )
14:23 mircea_popescu http://archive.is/TEs6e << preserved above 404 link, fortunately.
14:23 mircea_popescu we utterly must have a logotron archiver, no way around it. hey lobbes is your still functional ? spyked , were you at some point downloading the zips or was it him ?
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14:32 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927140 << there's also that, ti is a whore, contaminates easier than chocolate bar in the hands of a 5yo
14:32 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-10 10:03:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re titanium -- they still sell it. (quasi-monopoly. but -- and common misconception -- it aint because of the sands, at least not directly; but rather because ru has the only seriously developed infrastructure for ti metallurgy )
14:35 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927168 << yet the way in which experienced pilot gets to have instinct worth a shit is by ~not~ worshipping instinct as such.
14:35 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-10 10:20:38 diana_coman: to link it to the previous thread, it seems to me quite similar to saying that "instinct" of noob pilot is shit, therefore instinct of *any* pilot, experience be damned, is just as shit; I seriously doubt this.
14:36 mircea_popescu and this precisely mirrors female becoming : the way girl grows into ~woman~ is by NOT following her girlidiocy, but speciffically repressing it.
14:38 mircea_popescu if she follows it instead, she grows into lisa fucking kudrow.
14:38 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927169 << i honestly have nfi what to say. time is beyond my comprehension.
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14:38 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-10 10:24:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'date' thing fixed. did find that clock on the box has drifted by + ~40min (it dun 'ntp'ism or any such.) suppose ought to fix (and get then phf-style odd timestamps) or leave alone ?
14:41 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927179 << but THEY call it instinct. like they call education "rape" and like they call everything things. like the romanian morons call tjheir thing "a country", an unjustified audacity the zulus of last century did not express, and like any morons ever call things what they heard is good to call things. what
14:41 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-10 10:34:23 diana_coman: well yes, but only the second should be called instinct, the first is at best some preprogrammed/random reaction, dunno (and same for feelings really; out of nothing, there's no feelings, only preprogrammed or random reactions)
14:41 mircea_popescu do you propose, sending out patrols to shoot in the gut and leave for dead any pantsuit saying "instinct" incorrectly ?
14:43 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927184 << this is the larger part ; also has fatigue and also has a list of "magical transformations" where it reduces/ablates the tree in surprising ways (really, informed by bias resulting from "land creature").
14:43 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-10 10:37:23 asciilifeform: ( the other bit, is that vestibular 'stone' aint anyffin like a perfect gyro, it has substantial 'stickiness' )
14:43 snsabot Logged on 2018-12-19 12:09:38 mircea_popescu: natural language, however, ablates the trees for "convenience" so to speak, ie, uses commonly what's known in computing as sparse trees.
14:45 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927200 << very common in ro women, for some reason (perhaps to do with learning late).
14:45 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-10 10:49:59 diana_coman: funnily enough re driving I had the precise opposite trouble: had to trust a bit more *some*O!!
14:47 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927224 << i also don't see the advantage in concentrating. wtf would be the benefit of having trilema and logger down at same time ?
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14:47 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-10 11:27:21 diana_coman: eh, the way I see it is more of an opportunity to look around again and try perhaps some datacenters
15:02 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/08/arkancide-today-jeffery-epstein-dead-in-jail-two-weeks-after-being-put-on-suicide-watch-hours-after-pantsuit-names-released/ << Qntra -- Arkancide Today: Jeffery Epstein Dead In Jail Two Weeks After Being Put On Suicide Watch, Hours After Pantsuit Names Released
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16:01 mp_en_viaje o look at that, north argentina old whore following in the footsteps of south argentina old whore. who could have predicted.
16:02 mp_en_viaje sic transit, i guess Ima send the hilarity care packages in the hole, cigs wrapped in pantsuits.
16:05 mp_en_viaje in other news, got a little moar pipe for trilema, turns out can only do so much of that, want to or not. hopefully this alleviates, wtf.
16:05 BingoBoingo Irony of Ironies is that North Argentina Pantsuit more likely to see a jail cell. South Argentina just might elect theirs President again.
16:06 * BingoBoingo was about to report the wonderful photo in http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-we-pretend-to-be-miners-fo-real/ missing
16:08 mp_en_viaje o dude, i can almost taste that thing
16:08 mp_en_viaje truth be told, chet took the secret of that perfection with her ; never did manage to reproduce.
16:13 BingoBoingo I've been on a chili kick recently. Will probably photo blog something along those lines by the end of the month.
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16:55 lobbes http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927241 << my process was indeed downloading the archived zips. I still have the data, though the archiver iron has been disconnected during my physical move to a saner location. This weekend I will get that iron back online and archiving
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16:55 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-10 14:23:48 mircea_popescu: we utterly must have a logotron archiver, no way around it. hey lobbes is your still functional ? spyked , were you at some point downloading the zips or was it him ?
16:56 lobbes right now, though, I'ma get back to getting that znc-eater.py complete
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20:30 lobbes and here is the 'bare-bones' completed znc-eater.py : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3r1oH/?raw=true
20:31 lobbes still needs some tweaking (e.g. it barfs on unicode) and more testing before genesis.
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20:31 lobbes However, it eats a dir full of ZNC logs, sorts in chronological order, puts it all into one file with proper unix epoch timestamps.
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22:19 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927238 << the back/fwd links a la phf ? defo will go in (i'm aiming for 100% feature parity) but some time after the raw-export and similar knobs aimed to make redundant-backup installs easier
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22:19 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-10 14:22:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, incidentally, thee up/down references showing eg http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927117 was referenced later were very useful ; can put in ?
22:21 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927273 << i'ma let lobbes fix so actually eats 100%. lobbes if you get stuck lemme know
22:21 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-10 20:31:03 lobbes: still needs some tweaking (e.g. it barfs on unicode) and more testing before genesis.
22:30 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927248 << i'ma move that clock some time no one is awake. and in general prolly worth to adjust it regularly (monthly?) nao that there's a log on that box.
22:30 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-10 14:38:41 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927169 << i honestly have nfi what to say. time is beyond my comprehension.
22:30 asciilifeform imho monotonicity moar important in the timestamp than strict alignment w/ whatever zone.
22:31 asciilifeform ( the log lines sit down monotonically always. the only use currently for the timestamp is the calendarization cut into days )
22:32 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927258 << going by historic behaviour of various bots -- dc worth 2 shits is apparently rare
22:32 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-10 14:47:20 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927224 << i also don't see the advantage in concentrating. wtf would be the benefit of having trilema and logger down at same time ?
22:32 asciilifeform logger prolly a notbad test.
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