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00:12 BingoBoingo lobbes: First go to your settings, Discussion settings, "other comment settings" and uncheck the box for "Break comments into pages"
00:21 lobbes BingoBoingo: wait, this for server-side selection? Or is this a known fix for teh comment lag?
00:23 lobbes in any case, I have unchecked suggested box
00:25 lobbes meanwhile, I've found the trilema for server-side selection. Will apply and report back
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00:41 lobbes well, that was simple! Mah blog nao has proper server-side selection. Ty mircea_popescu and co. for that fix. (and ty BingoBoingo for unrelated fix)
00:41 lobbes my blog grows leaner and meaner by the hour
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04:51 mircea_popescu incidentally, lobbes , not to cramp your style, but... how old was the subbie you propositioned ?
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07:57 feedbot http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/08/the-forest/ << lobbesblog -- The Forest
08:01 lobbes mircea_popescu: I don't really have a style to cramp atm; I'll eat any and all knowledge right now
08:01 lobbes it was maybe a month or so ago (and over the interwebz), so I can't remember fully, but I want to say she was ~25 years old mebbe
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08:23 * lobbes off to mines, bbl
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11:40 BingoBoingo lobbes: In other news, its been 4 years since you last wrote for Qntra, but you are still very welcome to contribute.
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11:43 BingoBoingo And in supremely sad local economic indicators a Paraguayo "alternative" firm made the news for targeting Uruguay with the offer. Local media not particularly skeptical.
11:44 BingoBoingo "Los perfiles que sean seleccionados tendrán inicialmente un contrato a prueba por 60 días, cuyos detalles se estipularán antes del viajar. También se ofrecerá capacitación y finalizada esa etapa, si la evaluación es satisfactoria pasarán a ser funcionarios del grupo. La empresa dará asistencia en los trámites legales y en áreas como el alojamiento, por ejemplo. Según Estaras, se ofrecerán salarios “a la
11:44 BingoBoingo par” e incluso “superiores” a los que hoy se pagan en Uruguay para las áreas requeridas."
11:47 BingoBoingo Now it could be the case the Para-rotary firm needs to fill seats with cheap Uru-rotary college boys and is simply over estimating the value of Uru-rotary paper holders.
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14:29 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931645 << congrats lobbes ! tested -- worx. i still gotta do same in my www ( and munge the 9000 old-fashioned selects.. )
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14:29 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-28 00:25:55 lobbes: meanwhile, I've found the trilema for server-side selection. Will apply and report back
14:30 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/08/assholes-fork-gimp-over-problematic-name/ << Qntra -- Assholes Fork GIMP Over 'Problematic' Name
14:36 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: per my lights, 'gimp' died years ago, when went to 'mandatory' gtk3 .
14:37 asciilifeform last usable ver afaik circa-2011ish.
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14:38 asciilifeform (gtk3 is fatwa'd, as it sucks in 'dbus' and thereby systemdism. see also. )
14:38 snsabot Logged on 2018-12-11 18:51:03 asciilifeform: ( gtk3 is on asciilifeform's published gentoo-banhammer roster )
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14:55 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: That's one level of retardation. Crying ableism when visual media is inaccessible to the totally blind is a completely other level of retardation.
15:00 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931651 << now that's just plain silly. why not talk to a 50yo slave with 2-3 decades' experience instead ? she's much more likely to can be bothered with you in the first place, and much more likely to have what for you to learn if she does. even her owner might be more tolerant.
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15:00 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-28 08:01:06 lobbes: it was maybe a month or so ago (and over the interwebz), so I can't remember fully, but I want to say she was ~25 years old mebbe
15:00 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: if you recall the 'coreboot'->'libreboot' tardism -- was similar, maggot eruption after many many yrs of decay in the grave.
15:01 asciilifeform ohai mircea_popescu
15:01 mircea_popescu 30yo with no experience has exactly 0 business talking to 20something subbies as a general rule, it's a complete mismatch, like taking pepper and cinnamon TO the indies.
15:01 mircea_popescu heya alf.
15:02 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: how's old europistan this time of yr ?
15:02 mircea_popescu hot.
15:03 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: AHA, 'libreboot' was dysfunctional tranny coup
15:03 mircea_popescu and the problem with this part of the lands is that the sluts are short.
15:03 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: aha. but coup of already corpse project. sorta like 'robbing' 1 of those boarded up banks that closed in 2000s, that litter the landscape in east ameristan
15:04 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the last x86 irons that actually work with 'coreboot', recall, were sold in '13.
15:05 asciilifeform the 1 exception being 'apu1' , but is sewn from 2013 'g-series' that amd is constantly threatening to 'end of life'
15:05 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: This still is for no fault of the coreboot team. Not when the libreboot transteam went and broke things that already worked under coreboot
15:05 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: which reminds me : i'll be buying 4 of these.
15:06 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931662 << but perfectly usable and perfectly useful.
15:06 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-28 14:37:13 asciilifeform: last usable ver afaik circa-2011ish.
15:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha, i still use mine
15:06 mircea_popescu i still have cca 2007 installs that work fine
15:06 asciilifeform ( mine -- 2011 )
15:06 * asciilifeform liked 'gimp' , aside from the asinine window system. even got it to work with electric pen thing at one pt
15:08 mircea_popescu i like it too.
15:12 BingoBoingo GIMP is the perfect example of, "does what you want *UNLESS* you upgrade"
15:14 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: asciilifeform was 1 time 'lucky' enuff to find an edge case where gimp barfed and had to resort to a heathen photo editor on toilet box . ( stitching segments of photos that weighed GB+ , in the lispm reversing series. on very similar irons, the heathen proggy ran, gimp -- ground to halt. i suspect gimp has some o(n^2)-isms in it. )
15:15 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Not improbably, but I suspect in newer GIMPS the edge cases are further degraded.
15:15 asciilifeform i'd be quite surprised if not
15:16 asciilifeform and i suspect that most folx could live 100 yrs and not ever run into a case of editing a 2GB bitmap.
15:17 asciilifeform it was a very unusual -- and hence memorable -- case, where microshit actually worked where human tool did not.
15:18 * asciilifeform wondered -- on acct of what reich use case, did they actually bother to optimize for ram-filling photo. perhaps spy sats ?
15:22 mircea_popescu riding atop gimp, i never encountered a case where mactardation was even usable. we're not talking here microsoft (shit never worked), nor holy shit "gimp not werk".
15:22 BingoBoingo Could be other Incan military applications https://i.imgur.com/7SQQSkj.jpg
15:22 mircea_popescu never saw such winder.
15:23 asciilifeform holyfuq BingoBoingo , what is that ? midget corps ?
15:23 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I have not found context for the where it is from yet
15:24 asciilifeform ( if these were in sovok, could be tank brigate, iirc you had to be under 160cm )
15:24 asciilifeform *brigade
15:25 BingoBoingo My impression is that the group is "chromosone heavy" infantry
15:30 asciilifeform 'here is light infantry, they get 1l of cocacola / d.' 'here -- heavy infantry, they get 3L.'
15:32 BingoBoingo Well, the thing is once USG turned to waivers to put more dole on the defense budget... I can't tell if those are enlisted marines or honored "make a wish" outreach victims.
15:35 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: at one time there was (is?) such a thing as 'theoretical' soldiers, in usa army. you walk in with a diploma, they sew you a uniform, you go an' 'soldier' in e.g. lab salt mine. at one time asciilifeform worked in a place fulla these. but even they looked moar like someone you could put in a field, than this.
15:37 asciilifeform i specifically recall a ru d00d. rank of no less than major. a: 'what the hell are you doing here' he : 'what ~you~ doing here'
15:38 asciilifeform never found out what is the max rank for orc in usa army. perhaps there's an orc general even somewhere.
15:40 asciilifeform mostly these folx had 'medical' epaulettes.
15:42 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931666 >> 'Ajunsi in acest punct, hai sa facem o noua regula : cine n-are o suta de dolari de aruncat pe luna, .... n-a atins inca maturitatea sociala care sa-i ingaduie sa umble dupa fete' << rly, 100 ? or is this from epoch when 100 bought a flat in orcistan ?
15:42 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-28 15:00:36 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931651 << now that's just plain silly. why not talk to a 50yo slave with 2-3 decades' experience instead ? she's much more likely to can be bothered with you in the first place, and much more likely to have what for you to learn if she does. even her owner might be more tolerant.
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16:35 mircea_popescu no, it's from the epoch where teens whined that omfg, "she's claiming not to be a whore but expects me to pay for the coffee"
16:35 mircea_popescu 100% contemporary frisco.
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19:55 lobbes http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931653 << ty BingoBoingo. I'll keep my eyeballs peeled for lulz, but I'll be honest in that the quality of Qntra over the years has been so good that I barely get my lulz from any other source these days!
19:55 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-28 11:40:23 BingoBoingo: lobbes: In other news, its been 4 years since you last wrote for Qntra, but you are still very welcome to contribute.
19:55 lobbes http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931658 << ty! I got some old-fashioned selects to update as well, tho not nearly as many as asciilifeform and mircea_popescu. Prolly the only good aspect right now of having a nascent blog atm
19:55 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-28 14:29:52 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931645 << congrats lobbes ! tested -- worx. i still gotta do same in my www ( and munge the 9000 old-fashioned selects.. )
19:55 lobbes http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931666 << Thank you. I was thinking this was the way to go as most of the folx giving me the best advice at those meetings (and online for that matter) were, in fact, older subbie girls near their 50s, followed by the 'old guard' owners.
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19:55 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-28 15:00:36 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931651 << now that's just plain silly. why not talk to a 50yo slave with 2-3 decades' experience instead ? she's much more likely to can be bothered with you in the first place, and much more likely to have what for you to learn if she does. even her owner might be more tolerant.
19:55 lobbes The youngsters, while friendly, seemed more preoccupied with 'playing scenes' (which are a blast to watch, dun get me wrong, but I desire moar)
19:55 lobbes It shouldn't be a surprise that I weigh mircea_popescu's advice in such matters with a tad more weight, so when it lines up with my observations in the field it usually is a sign I'm on the right track
19:59 lobbes incidentally, it may be time I join the rotaku club. Good % of Trilema that I can't even begin to read
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20:05 asciilifeform lobbes: afaik, that'll make 2, of us
20:05 asciilifeform ( not counting mircea_popescu's 'inpatients' , that is )
20:09 asciilifeform lobbes: see this old thrd . handy.
20:09 snsabot Logged on 2017-10-24 16:53:07 asciilifeform: prolly only cure is actually snarfing in a few kilometres of ro voice track.
20:14 lobbes I assume that having quality material with which to read is a good motivator as well. I confess to trying to learn Japanese for a spell; memorized most of the hiragana, started on the katakana, and then went "when the hell will I ever USE this??" then kind of stopped
20:15 asciilifeform lobbes: i've been doing jp for coupla yr nao. recreationally, only.
20:15 asciilifeform could ~maybe~ pass 1st grade.
20:16 lobbes hey, that's something. I never even ate a single kanji
20:17 asciilifeform interestingly, the americans, who colonized and subjugated jp, to this day produced ~0 usable lit re the lang. ~all of asciilifeform's working materials -- from su.
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20:17 lobbes I can imagine
20:21 asciilifeform lobbes: if you abstract past the hieroglyphs-- is easier to eat than any euro lang. no declensions, no conjugation , very little of what euro folx normally think of as grammar gnarl.
20:24 asciilifeform perhaps one day jp will rip out of the yoke...
20:25 lobbes now this is interesting. Once I understood that they had two distinct scripts with identical phonemes purely to denote emphasis/no-emphasis I got a little spooked that the rest would be way too insane to understand
20:25 lobbes I never made it to the actual grammar
20:26 asciilifeform this is not accurate summary of why diff scripts, lobbes
20:26 lobbes aha. goes to show your point about the ~0 usable lit then haha
20:27 lobbes I was thinking katakana ~= "italicized" in eng. this is not the case?
20:28 asciilifeform there's the hieroglyphs ('kanji') which cover normal adult lit , or rather 95%; connective tissue , proper names, older loan words -- in 'hiragana' ( syllabic ); 'katakana' ( a sort of minimalist hiragana, moar 'runic' aesthetic ) largely for foreign words, names of dirty euro devils, some children's lit.
20:29 lobbes ahh okay
20:29 asciilifeform hieroglyphs -- to the annoyance of white devils -- ea. have at least 2 pronunciations, dep. on context
20:31 asciilifeform ('on' -- 'chinese-like' / vs. 'kun' -- 'native'. famously illustrated by 'seppuku/harakiri', 'on'/'kun' respective pair of same kanji string. )
20:31 asciilifeform for details/nitpicks refer to actual experts.
20:32 lobbes this may go to mircea_popescu's old point of "with language, like sex, there is no drawbacks to starting with master class"
20:32 lobbes perhaps starting with kanji not a bad idea
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20:35 asciilifeform lobbes: normally folks start with the kana ( or you can't even read a normal dictionary or kindergarten-level book etc )
20:38 * asciilifeform is thinking, prolly he is the last 1 who oughta give folx advice re languages. his methods , likely , are applicable to ~nobody. prolly even mircea_popescu's method ( house pets ) is moar widely usable .
20:43 lobbes well most learning materials I've read did suggest to start with kana, for that specific reason
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20:59 BingoBoingo lobbes: Well, the idea behind Qntra is if you see a lol, you share the lol and through this process Qntra grows in both author count and in lol enjoying population
21:09 trinque http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931384 << what's the url you want to have? possibly doable as apache-level URL rewrite
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21:09 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-27 11:17:48 asciilifeform: it'd have to by the ugly-as-arse /log/chan/index#index or sumsuch
21:11 trinque http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931432 << his flippant seroquel shit *riled me up*
21:11 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-27 13:27:15 mircea_popescu: add to that the FUCKING INSANE tlp being annoying as fuck, i'm having a blogging crisis over here
21:14 asciilifeform trinque: basic desired scheme is http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931395
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21:14 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-27 11:35:18 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931353 << phf yer missing the point , i need so that http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-16#758070 AND http://btcbase.org/log/1945-07-16#758070 go to same thing !
21:14 asciilifeform i.e. errything oughta work just as presently, BUT with the index being the actual determinator of where link goes.
21:15 asciilifeform ( incl. the page scroll to anchor and highlight must remain working just as now )
21:16 trinque what on the backend determines URL routing?
21:16 asciilifeform ( the reason for this itch is that i have found it to be impossible to guarantee that all dates agree )
21:16 asciilifeform trinque: i dun think i understand the q
21:17 asciilifeform trinque: see linked mircea_popescu thread. it appears to be the case that anchors in fact are not transmitted to the remote end, at all.
21:17 trinque from the other end, why not / instead of #
21:18 asciilifeform cuz how to make it scroll to pos ?
21:18 trinque yep, they are not. they're an in-page link from ye olde times
21:18 trinque willing to use a minimal amount of JS?
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21:18 asciilifeform trinque: no js ugh
21:19 asciilifeform right nao my proggy is 100% js-free
21:20 asciilifeform currently closest thing i had to a workable idea is /chan/idx#x ( where #x is simply a fixed string ) and generated page contains #x in the right pos, and coloured line there.
21:20 trinque heh, I can go hankier. you could instead have a server-side rewrite rule that 301 redirects from / to #
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21:20 trinque then referrer contains the ID
21:21 asciilifeform trinque: dun seem like any standard-compliant www end ( front or back ) ever sees # or any text after.
21:21 trinque this is the batshit and denuding coad diana_coman wanted !
21:23 asciilifeform ( my notion above, /chan/optionaldate/index#x , is cribbed from mircea_popescu's selection colourer )
21:23 trinque asciilifeform: considered just giving every line a UUID instead of int identifier?
21:23 asciilifeform trinque: all historical logs must remain valid
21:24 asciilifeform but i'm curious, how does 'uuid' differ from integer ?
21:24 asciilifeform i mean, in practical terms
21:25 trinque lemme go back and try and figure out what exactly is the problem you're trying to solve, unless you'd endulge me with a restatement, because I don't think I'm following.
21:25 asciilifeform trinque: visit the linked thread, it is short.
21:26 trinque http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931397 << yes, I don't understand what it means to both be decorative and work correctly
21:26 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-27 11:35:50 asciilifeform: dates gotta be decorative and work correctly while being so, or oughta go entirely.
21:27 asciilifeform it means that the lookup must be by idx, not by date
21:27 asciilifeform but at the same time all links are displayed on www from within a calendarized page just as now , with date in the base url ( the date my logger believes they occurred on )
21:28 trinque I wouldn't even consider it a sin if you just went back and fixed all the links to point to present logger, and in so doing, fixed the format.
21:28 trinque isn't the former already contemplated?
21:29 asciilifeform trinque: this would simply throw the problem into the lap of people trying to make own loggers that sync with mine.
21:29 asciilifeform clocks are basically rubbish on pc.
21:30 trinque how? you'd have /log/$channel/$date/$canonicalId and use the latter for line lookup, and the penultimate for paging
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21:31 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927171 << see also
21:31 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-10 10:25:59 asciilifeform: when wrote 1st draft of logotron, i made mistake of sorting ~by time~, ended up with soup displayed
21:31 trinque yep, so I retract the UUID proposal.
21:32 asciilifeform trinque: above seems to be exactly what i suggested. but as i understand will also need #x or such, to scroll to line
21:32 asciilifeform it's headache, but as i understand the shitsoup standard offers no clean knob for it
21:33 trinque yeah, can 301 redirec them to a URL which includes the anchor for the line they requested
21:33 trinque *redirect
21:33 asciilifeform hmm
21:33 asciilifeform so #'s can be sent ~to~ client ? that's possibly working pill
21:34 asciilifeform tho still ugh cuz what if i'm pasting from browser into irc
21:34 trinque I believe so, yes
21:34 asciilifeform nao cannot paste from url bar , only log line mouse ? ugh
21:34 asciilifeform seems like there is no clean pill, only decision of where we can move the dirt.
21:35 trinque sounds about right for wwwtronix
21:35 trinque actually my first proposal gets you clean URLs
21:35 asciilifeform i'ma wait for mircea_popescu to wake up and see what he thinks before changing proggy. and whoknows, maybe we both missed sumthing.
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21:35 asciilifeform hm?
21:35 trinque so to start from scratch:
21:38 trinque turns out I'm quite tired. I think the above is probably the cleanest solution. will think moar and rejoin thread
21:38 asciilifeform ty trinque
21:39 asciilifeform i've been puzzling over this item but made 0 useful fwd motion yet.
21:39 asciilifeform ( ftr '301' dun strictly require apache kludging, it could be done in my proggy per se )
21:40 * asciilifeform wrote proggy to be reasonably agnostic of frontend 
21:42 asciilifeform so seems like best formulation so far is http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931788 plus the proggy feeds client always 301 to the above with #x appended .
21:42 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-28 21:30:38 trinque: how? you'd have /log/$channel/$date/$canonicalId and use the latter for line lookup, and the penultimate for paging
21:43 asciilifeform $date would be unused by the parser, while still being correct in all newly-emitted links
21:44 asciilifeform ( should we even have it in the links..? not as if quoting bot doesn't spew the date when quoting )
21:45 trinque if it hasn't been historically meaningful, honesty says kill it
21:46 asciilifeform my present take on all of this : it ~is~ possible for loggers to agree on ~order~ of lines ( albeit in corner cases, difficult ). however it is not possible for them to properly agree re absolute time. ( and in fact the timestamps in the imported logs are all over the place )
21:47 asciilifeform i suggested in orig thrd, to throw out the date from url. lessee what mircea_popescu thinks.
21:47 trinque kk
21:47 asciilifeform ( note, they can still be displayed in calendarized pages , as now )
21:51 asciilifeform trinque: re clocks, at one time mircea_popescu suggested to use trb block as clock. but imho is of very limited use as clock, cuz not guaranteed to advance in any given interval.
21:51 asciilifeform ( wedge -- clock stops easily for days )
21:52 asciilifeform i.e. how deedbot.
21:53 asciilifeform but deedbot dun need to go in realtime, unlike logotron.
21:55 asciilifeform ( for folx not following in depth -- fleanode does not emit timestamps; they come from local machine where a given logotron ran when it logged a line )
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22:12 asciilifeform btw note, my logotron already knows how to generate colouration on serv end
22:12 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-09 17:36:55 mircea_popescu: earlier stopped at gelateria. nicely furnished. had no table service and only paper cups. ONE SIZE. no plates, no nothing.
22:13 asciilifeform hrm did i break that link..?
22:14 asciilifeform nm
22:14 * asciilifeform brb,meat 
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