#trilema | 2019-08-27

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04:09	phf	http://btcbase.org/log/2019-08-27#1931379 << btcbase is a continuation of kako's log, so there's no timestamp divergence. one log stops at dragon, and the other one starts. never the less i don't rely on dates at all: the entirety of log is stored in an array, so kako entry 123 is (aref log 123), likewise current log entry 1931379 is at that particular index in array.
04:13	phf	fixing an old style link is then cheap e.g. for http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2014#758070 i parse out 758070, (entryref 758070), then render the url (which is standard url rendering function) which uses whatever date that's stored in the message record, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-16#758070 in this particular case they happen to be the same, but the point is that this is not a regex transform. essentially i do a
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04:13	phf	"database" lookup by index
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06:33	mircea_popescu	phf, wouldja take it to #asciilifeform or whatever already.
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07:09	mircea_popescu	http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-26#1931343 << this is terrible ; but i don't see anything wrong with parsing url by id first, such that log/date#index goes to #index on whatever date it might be, and to /date otherwise.
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07:09	snsabot	Logged on 2019-08-26 23:07:47 asciilifeform: the obv. alternative is to actually do a db lookup when printing links, to get the appropriate local date. BUT this means a db lookup per link displayed, i.e. slowdown.
07:11	mircea_popescu	i have no intention o fforcing anything like "time", because (as per ancient discussion i suspect meanwhole forgotten but which i still remember) fiat time is doomed non-republican construct.
07:11	mircea_popescu	blockheight is the republican timekeeping item, and in the case of logs that's self-evidently line counts.
07:12	mircea_popescu	ie, not only im never gonna mandate inca's "ntp", but i'm not even going to make anything like it.
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07:13	mircea_popescu	http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-26#1931347 << it'll be a customs nightmare / attention grabber, doesn't seem worthwhile.
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07:13	snsabot	Logged on 2019-08-26 23:11:36 asciilifeform: relatedly, imho a future piz cargo oughta include a rubidium clock box.
07:16	feedbot	http://trilema.com/2019/42nd-street/ << Trilema -- 42nd Street
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11:00	asciilifeform	http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931356 << the main headache is that the segment of a url past the anchor (#) is never sent to server .
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11:00	snsabot	Logged on 2019-08-27 07:09:42 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-26#1931343 << this is terrible ; but i don't see anything wrong with parsing url by id first, such that log/date#index goes to #index on whatever date it might be, and to /date otherwise.
11:00	mircea_popescu	sure it is
11:00	asciilifeform	nope.
11:00	asciilifeform	rtfm plz.
11:00	mircea_popescu	noa hat.
11:00	asciilifeform	if it were , would be trivial
11:01	mircea_popescu	179.43.. - - [27/Aug/2019:08:22:26 -0400] "POST /wp-comments-post.php HTTP/1.0" 500 963 "http://trilema.com/2012/adnotated-words-of-wisdom-on-the-topic-of-online-fraud/#comment-116893" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/67.0.3396.62 Safari/537.36"
11:01	mircea_popescu	5 << direct quote from my server log.
11:02	asciilifeform	interesting. spec seems to say they ought not, so i suspect not erry browser sends
11:02	mircea_popescu	not every browser cca 1999 or some shit. by now, you can rely on it.
11:03	asciilifeform	or hrm that's a refer url mircea_popescu
11:03	asciilifeform	not a load url
11:03	asciilifeform	this dun do anyffin for us re problem
11:04	mircea_popescu	eh wtj
11:08	*	asciilifeform tried various browsers, all behave to spec, i.e. none send url-cum-anchor as part of get or post ( ff and chrome do put it in referrer, but it's quite useless for this job, i need a scheme where url entered by hand or otherwise no ref hdr , is valid )
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11:17	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform, seems right you are, wtf.
11:17	mircea_popescu	i could've sworn....
11:17	asciilifeform	ikr. i also thought !
11:17	mircea_popescu	this becomes quite inconvenient then, end up with duplicate field or wtf.
11:17	asciilifeform	it'd have to by the ugly-as-arse /log/chan/index#index or sumsuch
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11:17	asciilifeform	unless i;m missing sumthing
11:18	mircea_popescu	let this sit for a little we think more of it.
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11:19	asciilifeform	hence wai i posed the q. maybe trinque or lobbes , serious wwwists, can crack this one.
11:21	asciilifeform	http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931361 << imho clock is a luxury and in foreseeable future i'ma only load essentials into the crates. but the good noose is, rubidium has halflife of ~5e10 yrs and aint setting off any alarms. while cesium clock uses the stable 133 . problem is rather that the buggers are heavy and can't be had , seems, in anyffin smaller than 2U .
11:21	snsabot	Logged on 2019-08-27 07:13:48 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-26#1931347 << it'll be a customs nightmare / attention grabber, doesn't seem worthwhile.
11:22	asciilifeform	( ftr -- clocks look exactly like servers, just with bnc jack and mains , no other plugs )
11:26	asciilifeform	oh hm apparently i was wrong re the cheaper rb -- chinese sell ~pocket-sized unit . but still headache, would have to interface it somehow.
11:28	asciilifeform	my contention 'clock is luxury' is based on thought similar to mircea_popescu's, i.e. it dun make sense to bother unless yer doing shortwave or similar application where the intervals gotta be utterly fixed or no go entirely
11:28	snsabot	Logged on 2019-08-27 07:12:48 mircea_popescu: ie, not only im never gonna mandate inca's "ntp", but i'm not even going to make anything like it.
11:30	asciilifeform	( whereas 'ntpism' , i.e. networked clocks, make sense in 0 case, it's simply riotously dumb idea, packet delay aint deterministic . ntpism is pure inca scamola. )
11:35	asciilifeform	http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931353 << phf yer missing the point , i need so that http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-16#758070 AND http://btcbase.org/log/1945-07-16#758070 go to same thing !
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11:35	snsabot	Logged on 2019-08-27 04:13:06 phf: fixing an old style link is then cheap e.g. for http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2014#758070 i parse out 758070, (entryref 758070), then render the url (which is standard url rendering function) which uses whatever date that's stored in the message record, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-16#758070 in this particular case they happen to be the same, but the point is that this is not a regex transform. essentially i do a
11:35	asciilifeform	dates gotta be decorative and work correctly while being so, or oughta go entirely.
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11:42	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform, more importantly, how do i searc for the string "don't have" ?
11:43	mircea_popescu	i specificalty recall describing this situation in munchen whereby i took cab driver all over bars, trying to find some with decent seating, didn't find any, at end dude was like "well, there's no more left on the list, you have to sit here" and i was like "bitch, i dun have to anything"
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11:47	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: quoted strings? indeed still gotta bake'em ( see in readme.txt, they're on the listof missing essentials , and errybody grumbles, i'ma do these next )
11:47	mircea_popescu	cool.
11:47	asciilifeform	pagination of srch output also
11:48	*	asciilifeform will use same scheme as in phuctor for the latter
11:49	asciilifeform	possibly lobbes et al will beat me to it, submit a patch.
11:49	*	asciilifeform was muchly hoping not to end up birthing whole logotron with solely own hands .
11:52	asciilifeform	most recent gripe re quotes
11:52	snsabot	Logged on 2019-08-26 14:28:11 shrysr_: thanks asciilifeform and BingoBoingo. also since 'pki' throws up stuff like 'napkin' - is there a way to narrow this down in the search?
11:53	asciilifeform	for thrd-completeness, also painfully missing are back/fwd linkages a la phf, but these need working date/era handling before i even dare to touch the q
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13:02	feedbot	http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-catfish-the-real-danger-of-social-media-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Catfish: The Real Danger Of Social Media. Adnotated.
13:11	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 4th link in note 1 is borked
13:12	mircea_popescu	yes, missing the actual link ;/
13:12	asciilifeform	'masturbated to the same exact theme' in #2 has a 'b' but no terminator
13:14	mircea_popescu	deliberate. cuz it's the keyword, repeats throughot article
13:15	asciilifeform	dun seem to display the keyword on any of my browser tho
13:15	asciilifeform	( is it meant to ? )
13:16	mircea_popescu	meanwhile in diana_coman roulette, http://ossasepia.com/2009/11/15/cine-sunt-eu/
13:16	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform, nah, it's not expected to work atm. trying to figure out what i want here.
13:16	asciilifeform	a.
13:19	asciilifeform	in #20 'Learn how to turn shit off, what' also borked.
13:20	mircea_popescu	also because missing the link.
13:20	mircea_popescu	do you recall it btw ?
13:21	asciilifeform	not afaik
13:22	asciilifeform	there's coupla moar of these, but i'ma leave off, evidently mircea_popescu still fillin'em in
13:22	*	mircea_popescu prays at the shrine of lost references
13:23	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform, if there's one of those <A href=[word description] broken links, the most useful thing is the link, if known
13:24	asciilifeform	sometimes i get notion that the hunted item is in mircea_popescu's www, but difficult to test given no search box .
13:25	mircea_popescu	fucking useless even with search box ;/
13:26	mircea_popescu	i dunno wtf i'm going to do here, but it's becoming a serious problem, i'm starting to bump against an objective limit in reality.
13:26	mircea_popescu	i spent 60% of the time with that article hunting for references.
13:26	mircea_popescu	i don't think i have the stomach for more ; which is why the publish-with-drescriptions-instead-of-links model, it's the choice of this or not fucking publish at all.
13:27	asciilifeform	yea makes sense
13:27	mircea_popescu	add to that the FUCKING INSANE tlp being annoying as fuck, i'm having a blogging crisis over here
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13:27	*	asciilifeform read maybe 10%, max, of tlp corpus, for this reason. it's just barely digestible to asciilifeform's enzymes.
13:28	mircea_popescu	"i thought he was a great guy, right, so then i moved in with him, and OMFG HE IS INSUFFERABLE
13:29	asciilifeform	in iirc '09 when asciilifeform 1st encountered tlp , thought 'insufferable, but occasionally emits interesting point by sheer accident'
13:30	asciilifeform	i actually had tlp pegged in my head as a dour, aged, 'feminism'-flavoured chix
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14:38	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: speaking of 'starting to bump against an objective limit', it's starting to look like ethernet switch bulk is the limiting reactant for 'how many rk/similar can pack into box'
14:38	snsabot	Logged on 2019-08-26 23:58:39 asciilifeform: meanwhile in frustrations, for third day digging for a usable 1u-embeddable GB lan switch for piz , found none
14:40	mircea_popescu	2u niot the end of the word is it ?
14:41	asciilifeform	well, half the density, i.e. double the transport cost.
14:41	mircea_popescu	huh ?
14:41	asciilifeform	largest normal-looking suitcase comfortably houses 2u of irons .
14:44	mircea_popescu	ah so you got 4u budget ?
14:44	asciilifeform	1u chassis actually fits 16 rk with comfortable air flow. and their ps. but no GB switch seems to exist, of requisite size, that'd fit inside, even if stripped of own chassis.
14:44	asciilifeform	aha
14:44	asciilifeform	4u is the most that can be reliably carried as 'konsoomer luggage' .
14:44	mircea_popescu	so it's like 1k/u transport costs as it is uhh
14:45	mircea_popescu	huh&
14:45	asciilifeform	moar like 500 / 1u (per last expedition)
14:45	mircea_popescu	ah, tickets not that expensive ?
14:45	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i used 'cattle car class', see.
14:46	mircea_popescu	aha
14:50	asciilifeform	transport costs from 1st exped. , for thrd-completeness.
14:50	snsabot	Logged on 2018-05-01 20:40:40 asciilifeform: !!deed http://www.loper-os.org/pub/piz_apr_parts.txt
14:53	asciilifeform	^ 560.5 $ per 1u . keep in mind that asciilifeform for 'belt and suspenders' made a lengthier than strictly necessary expedition . ( in fact used all but 1 of the padding days, walking with BingoBoingo to hunt for missing small parts, tuning boxen , etc )
14:53	mircea_popescu	how much is the material cost per u ?
14:53	asciilifeform	material ? depends what's in the 1u in question, neh
14:54	mircea_popescu	the ones you;re taking
14:56	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the ones for mircea_popescu , are looking to cost 1-1.5 k ($) ea. (still hunting for the exact machines we use, the old seller seems to have vanished) . rk plant will cost ~1k , not counting drives (and switch, which, grrr, not found yet!) for a plant of 16 subunits. the remaining 1u is to be apu1 (4x) , not drawn yet so i daren't say exactly what costs, expect also in vicinity of 1k (sans disk).
14:56	mircea_popescu	might be worth it to put a coupla us in a box, test whether can be taken through ?
14:58	mircea_popescu	at 4u/trip you fill a cabinet each decade
14:58	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it's a calculable function. 4 'heavy' (32cpu opterons) added up to just 5kg short of the max permitted 'overweight'. anything lighter (e.g. rk plant) poses no pain from mass pov. but the suitcases i (specifically) bought for expeditions, are in fact of max permitted phys. dimensions. (w/ 2 u in ea. + paddings and fixators.)
14:58	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform, you can actually ship an oversized box can't you ? or do usg airlines not sell this ?
14:59	asciilifeform	last time i rtfm'd , 'copa' (the 1 usable co.) permitted over-mass XOR over-dimension .
14:59	mircea_popescu	imo you should ask when you buy tickets
14:59	mircea_popescu	"hey, i also have this one box, can you carry it ?"
15:00	asciilifeform	funnily enuff i did. ( in fact was uncertain until last moment that the actual 2 crates would fly, the co's www is retarded)
15:00	mircea_popescu	i don't mean, your luggage.
15:01	asciilifeform	well i was 5kg short of the max load, so 3rd box would've had to be <5, even supposing they'd take another 300 and eat it
15:01	mircea_popescu	i dunno what this max load is.
15:01	asciilifeform	100kg.
15:02	asciilifeform	( i.e. ~with~ the surcharge , is what one gets from this vendor )
15:02	asciilifeform	anyffing bigger, gets 'cargo' treatment, and full customs orchestra.
15:04	asciilifeform	BingoBoingostani customs is a circus one could almost write book about. they for instance didn't give a rat's arse re the 1us. but demanded to know why 6x 'high tech!111 omfg'-looking rk's in the carry-on. ( rk pilot plant was assembled on-site, in hotel... )
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15:06	asciilifeform	ben_vulpes , if recall, somehow botched , so that even his 1us ended up weighed and taxed like silver bricks.
15:08	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'take decade to fill rack' is less of a problem than seems -- if could fully tenant e.g. 32 rk's or equiv, already pays for entire dc bill.
15:08	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: The failure in that run was at the US check in counter. There's a max weight on any piece designated "luggage" rather than "cargo", hard limit enforced by baggage handler's work rules
15:08	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: indeed it was. there was a grunt with a scale, weighed and tape-measured each trunk.
15:09	mircea_popescu	ic
15:09	mircea_popescu	well, imo getting a lot of gear there asap would be very much beneficial for everyone.
15:09	BingoBoingo	The problems at Customes rose out of impromptu third bag getting left in Brasil, arriving to Uruguay on a different plane than Herr Vulpes
15:10	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i intend to pack the crates 'to the waterline' , just like last go.
15:10	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: rright, and ended up ~doubling his cost.
15:11	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform, fwiw the story you're telling does not convince me.
15:11	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: hm ?
15:12	mircea_popescu	specifically, have you asked copa if they will carry a box for you. this is not an euphemism for a piece of luggage, it is a straight name for a cardboard fucking box. it is also not related to bv's misadventure with sleeping and routing and w/e.
15:12	mircea_popescu	IF indeed the box is carried, and IF indeed customs want money, you can just abandon it, fo ra fixed cost of whatever you put in it.
15:13	mircea_popescu	this may be a very good deal, seeing how pizarro is eating your bone marrow, at a fixed monthly cost, and you do two trips a year, worth a few u each.
15:13	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ben ended up with customs pawing ~all~ of his boxes on acct of the excess.
15:13	mircea_popescu	risking a few k to not have to waste another 6 months dithering about how "oh, i guess we should talk to people o hurr durr we have not what to sell" is a genius move,
15:13	mircea_popescu	at least compared to what idiocy passes for business as usual over there.
15:14	asciilifeform	if it were just a q of 'hey i'ma bring a 3rd and see if they eat it' would happily bring 3rd. but there was in fact a d00d with a scale there, and calculator, adding up box0...boxN and if >100kg then 'nope'
15:14	asciilifeform	several folx got sent away with 'nope' in the queue.
15:14	mircea_popescu	there where ?
15:14	asciilifeform	in the usa end, where one goes an' gets the ticket punched.
15:15	mircea_popescu	ask coppa if they will carry.
15:15	mircea_popescu	i have had them carry in excess of a quarter ton for me. ASIDE from luggage.
15:15	mircea_popescu	if they carry, the dude with ruler is welcome to stuff it, you bought ticket from your airline not from him/
15:15	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: what did it cost ?
15:15	mircea_popescu	~60% of what fedex'd have been
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15:15	mircea_popescu	otherwise, would have fedex'd.
15:16	asciilifeform	when i bought ticket, the annoying fucks wouldn't even take prepay of the surcharge when selling ticket, proclaimed 'you pay it at airport'
15:16	mircea_popescu	so buy ticket at airport ?
15:16	asciilifeform	and pay 2x.
15:16	asciilifeform	i bought month in advance.
15:16	mircea_popescu	possibly dealing with typically ustardian faux thing, where the corner grocery store misrepresents itself as "bank". except "oh, we can't do wires"
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15:16	mircea_popescu	ah, already bought ?
15:16	mircea_popescu	then none of the foregoingd applies.
15:16	asciilifeform	not bought yet, can't buy until all irons pass test
15:17	asciilifeform	otherwise risk ending up sucking own elbow
15:17	mircea_popescu	in that case, ask them/.
15:17	BingoBoingo	Important part of cardboard box exercise is likely to mean finding airport with COPA desk asciilifeform checks in at rather than United or whoever doing a codeshare on the to panama link
15:17	asciilifeform	i'ma defo ask, and play the 'phone tag', like last time. but expect similar result.
15:17	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo, has it.
15:18	mircea_popescu	gotta deal with copa specifically, not with ustardistani interface
15:18	BingoBoingo	May mean reaching out to lobbes or Mocky and setting up a bit of a road trip
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15:18	asciilifeform	btw it dun matter of what the box is made, or that it resembles suitcase (other than possibly for orc customs). the dimensions thing is applied by monkey on the usa end.
15:20	asciilifeform	btw if e.g. rk plant gets eaten, lose considerably moar than ~1k, there's a great bit of hand-craft involved in making these.
15:21	mircea_popescu	business is all about identifying these things, writing the correct numbers down, and then comparing sums.
15:22	asciilifeform	well yes.
15:22	asciilifeform	there's also ' asciilifeform's vacation days ' non-renewable resource involved .
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15:23	asciilifeform	( the hero to move boxen instead of asciilifeform , has not yet stood up. )
15:23	asciilifeform	where incidentally is Mocky ?
15:25	asciilifeform	http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931500 << incidentally i priced 'fexed', their cost is actually comparable to ' asciilifeform-ex ' . problem is that all fedex'd crates end up getting the full orc treatment.
15:25	snsabot	Logged on 2019-08-27 15:15:47 mircea_popescu: ~60% of what fedex'd have been
15:25	asciilifeform	*fedex
15:25	mircea_popescu	aha
15:27	asciilifeform	re mircea_popescu's quarter tonne -- per last yr's specs , they were formally willing to move up to 150kg -- from anywhere other than usa.
15:27	mircea_popescu	heh
15:29	asciilifeform	'copa' is... interesting co. for instance, return flight got stuck in panama for extra 20min on acct of some fuckwit who couldn't fit his ~box of cakes~ into overhead compartment.
15:29	asciilifeform	( in usa bouncers would come and beat such fella black and blue and throw out of gate. but orcs. )
15:30	asciilifeform	the folx i told in meatspace about this, no one believed. 'yer fucking with me'
15:31	asciilifeform	also oblg. apropos of ye olde http://trilema.com/2014/a-practical-exercise-for-people-who-cant-afford-airfare/ >> all 4 planes were ~half full .
15:31	*	asciilifeform did not complain, got to sleep horizontally...
15:35	asciilifeform	http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931506 << us-tardation , if it were ~deterministic~ , would be considerably less headache . but it , sadly, aint. ( for instance asciilifeform never had problem with wire. but that's 0..n, no one knows re n+1... )
15:35	snsabot	Logged on 2019-08-27 15:16:40 mircea_popescu: possibly dealing with typically ustardian faux thing, where the corner grocery store misrepresents itself as "bank". except "oh, we can't do wires"
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16:18	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: btw occurs to me , you have a 'copa' counter in BingoBoingostan somewhere. consider inquiring what costs round trip ~from~ BingoBoingostan. it isn't impossible that it'd be cheaper for BingoBoingo to ~pick up~ crates.
16:19	mircea_popescu	not a bad idea at that. you can by round trip from us in uy for that matter
16:19	*	mircea_popescu does this occasionally,
16:21	asciilifeform	even if costs ~same, conceivably could work around asciilifeform's major handicap, i.e. that he can only go 1 (w/ 'afterburners' , maybe 2x) / yr on acct of http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931521
16:21	snsabot	Logged on 2019-08-27 15:22:15 asciilifeform: there's also ' asciilifeform's vacation days ' non-renewable resource involved .
16:22	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo would not have to get hotel, either, could sleep in hammock in asciilifeform's 'nazi sub'
16:23	asciilifeform	supposing there aint orc-generated bureaucratic problem in re BingoBoingo going into usa for day or 2, may be workable.
16:24	asciilifeform	(the 1 headache is that BingoBoingo's station would end up unmanned for the interval.)
16:26	BingoBoingo	Well, second headache is that coming into UY they tend to care more about payloads moved by UY living folks
16:26	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: i dun recall the orcs asking me where i lived. you give'em the usa passport and is all.
16:27	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: iirc you haven't burned yours yet. so oughta work
16:27	lobbes	http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931516 << ftr, I do have a free room in apartment; lordship always welcome as long as I know enough in advance. Though I did some research and it is doubtful if CLT has a copa counter (I could always check on foot to confirm). Loox like closest one may be in Florida
16:27	snsabot	Logged on 2019-08-27 15:18:17 BingoBoingo: May mean reaching out to lobbes or Mocky and setting up a bit of a road trip
16:28	asciilifeform	lobbes: you are where ?
16:28	lobbes	Charlotte, NC (about half hour from airport; and halfway from D.C to FL it seems)
16:28	asciilifeform	afaik the only 'full scale' office of theirs is in fl
16:29	asciilifeform	'miami mecca'(tm)
16:29	lobbes	yeah, looks like miami and LA >> https://www.copaair.com/en/web/gs/copa-courier-offices
16:32	lobbes	hmm, but wtf, now this says there is an office in the Washington Dulles Airport >> https://www.copacargo.com/html/user/default.aspx?PageId=5&lang=en
16:32	*	lobbes has no idea
16:33	asciilifeform	lobbes: there was 'office' in the bmore airport from which i went. but it was the kind where no one to haggle with, 'here is machine, wouldja like to buy new ticket for 3x what you paid month ago?' 'here we measure the trunks' etc
16:33	asciilifeform	for all i know, is exactly what is in fl and la also.
16:34	lobbes	yea, hard to ascertain over the interwebz
16:34	lobbes	call em' maybe
16:35	lobbes	in any case, my pad is open if road-trip stop is needed at any point
16:35	asciilifeform	i'ma have to call'em (and specifically that city's, vs the 'national' one)
16:35	asciilifeform	other potential headache is that they'll happily offer to carry e.g. +100kg aaand it'll end up 'cargo' and get ben_vulpes'd.
16:36	asciilifeform	so far all i got is 2 experimental data points re expeditions, ben's and mine.
16:39	BingoBoingo	As long as everything has invoices you can present, customs doesn't have to be multi-day ordeal
16:40	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: dun matter how many day ordeal, cost will still be 2+x of otherwise.
16:40	asciilifeform	it'd end up same as if fedex'd.
16:44	*	BingoBoingo unenthused about returning to US without warships and "viking hanglider"
16:45	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: hey , i work as full-time canary in that coal mine...
16:51	BingoBoingo	It's not simply existential gasenwagen risk. Its that going to the US involves dealing with all sorts of uniformed monkees on arrival. Every single uniform monkey encountered in the US is an unpleasant experience.
16:57	BingoBoingo	Down here, no one hates me for the color of my skin. One of my last memories of the US was the TSA monkeys and the contempt that bled through everything the agent that handled me did.
16:57	BingoBoingo	His skin hate radiated.
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17:05	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: i won't dispute that it's quite unpleasant. but will remind, i sit there year-round
17:06	asciilifeform	fwiw the inspector monkeys in usa , such that i saw in washingtonistan, were harmless, sat and played tetrisen on pnojes
17:06	BingoBoingo	I have trouble understanding how you manage to after having traveled outside the zone.
17:06	asciilifeform	mostly sad white d00dz , in their 20s, there was no slot at patent office for'em, evidently
17:07	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: i manage to so that to conjure up with what to power asciilifeform's little orchestra, which includes e.g. the expedition and its payload.
17:08	asciilifeform	if i knew how to do this in antarctica -- would do it there. would prefer the company of the penguins to ameri-muppets, verily.
17:09	BingoBoingo	STL Lambert Intl was all ghetto kangz and queenz pissed whitey would dare take a flight in the morning and justifying the TSA being at the Airport at that hour.
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17:09	asciilifeform	interesting. one might naively imagine that bmore port would consist of these -- but it didn't.
17:09	asciilifeform	i suppose they're all manning lafond's shop
17:10	BingoBoingo	Meanwhile in local news, the absolute worst thing done by same demographic, different destination: https://archive.is/7ovs0 "Eso, después de un paseo por Malvin hoy, en varias plazas ví macumbas con pollos decapitados, frutas por doquier y velas, alguien sabe quién las hace, por qué y si es legal? Dejan todo tirado y a mí me parece sumamente asqueroso"
17:11	asciilifeform	pollos decapitados ? lol -- vooddists ?
17:12	BingoBoingo	Yeah, old black women littering
17:12	asciilifeform	oh hey loox like i have my notes mixed up -- bmore is from where went to argentina. to BingoBoingo went from dulles (greater washingtonistan)
17:13	*	asciilifeform goes, always , from where cheapest , to the penny
17:16	*	asciilifeform wonders if the folx at http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931579 are moar 'uppity' on acct of distance from the payola trough mecca
17:16	snsabot	Logged on 2019-08-27 17:09:15 BingoBoingo: STL Lambert Intl was all ghetto kangz and queenz pissed whitey would dare take a flight in the morning and justifying the TSA being at the Airport at that hour.
17:18	asciilifeform	i've stood in multi-kilometre queues in ameri-airports. but never yet encountered any of the famous abuses.
17:19	asciilifeform	the only times had to even haggle, was with orcs in orcistans.
17:23	asciilifeform	'esteemed sir inspector, wouldja like to see how this machine worx?' 'get outta my sight'
17:26	BingoBoingo	I don't know where a multi-kilometer line isn't an abuse in itself
17:27	asciilifeform	as i understand, you get those always, unless you've yer own airplane.
17:28	asciilifeform	after 1st trip ( mircea_popescu's ro ) , asciilifeform bought that subscription for 'get back in usa w/out line', was worth erry penny
17:28	asciilifeform	still line to come ~out~ tho.
17:29	*	asciilifeform previously to mircea_popescu's party in timis, asciilifeform spent 20y not even having occasion to go in airplane anywhere.
17:31	asciilifeform	( why? from combination of 'to where to go?' and 'when?' )
17:31	snsabot	Logged on 2019-08-25 18:53:47 asciilifeform: diana_coman: to add a few brush strokes to the picture of usa -- and perhaps already you knew -- 1) most folx get ~0 'vacation'. they nominally get '2 wks' but is reserved in practice for illness ; 2) are paid just enuff to stay alive (and locate themselves within vicinity of the mines) , 2-3 missed weeks of pay means destitution .
17:36	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo re http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931572 << i suspect exaggerated. even when i went to heart of lafondistan, 'darkest africa', when attempted to buy dilapidated building -- went into where the orcs were, their 'food depot' even, and no one put knife in, no one even spat in asciilifeform's face or even could be aroused to utter insult
17:36	snsabot	Logged on 2019-08-27 16:57:51 BingoBoingo: His skin hate radiated.
17:36	snsabot	Logged on 2016-07-03 14:15:17 asciilifeform: if you can call 'food depot' etc. living.
17:36	asciilifeform	the poor zeks gave much moar impression of being ~tired~ of life, rather than belligerent .
17:38	asciilifeform	iirc mircea_popescu had even moar picturesque story, where not only not insulted but had excellent rapport w/ entire bus fulla these , and they all asked for him to become their che guevara
17:39	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: up through mid-Obama I dealing even with the uniformed sort could be very pleasant.
17:42	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: i dunno how many of these folx at any given time even know who is on the iron throne.
17:42	asciilifeform	they live in entirely parallel universe, the 1 described in mircea_popescu's 'the tide dollar' piece.
		~ 3 hours 45 minutes ~
21:27	lobbes	I remember for about 4 years or so I lived in an apartment literally on the "other side of the railroad tracks" (this was back in northern Ohio; I've bounced around the country). It was predominantly darker skinned folk, and I am a super-white ginger. Never had a single issue; everyone was friendly towards me. One time the entire parking lot was "robbed"; all cars broken into but mine was passed over
21:27	lobbes	somehow.
21:28	lobbes	Hell, at one point I even played guitar in the local all-black church. The only thing that made me uncomfortable about that was the fact that I have 0 belief in a god, and that the damn band leader would never give me the song list no matter how much I asked. Always had to improvise.
21:36	lobbes	!!up shrysr
21:36	deedbot	shrysr voiced for 30 minutes.
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21:51	lobbes	I used to fly a lot too, tho, and regardless of the skin color the TSA monkeys were always unpleasant to deal with. I would always feel raped by the time I was done getting through the lines; complete with my pants falling down and holding my shoes while running for my flight.
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22:33	asciilifeform	lobbes: different rapes for different folx, i suspect. asciilifeform for instance 'feels raped' much moar greatly by the tax collector, than by the ceremonial funnel where one is to put shoes at bushized airport.
22:40	asciilifeform	incidentally, i agree w/ mircea_popescu re 'airport strippings have ~popular~ support in usa' but not with his hypothesis re why ( sumthing with 'cuckism' ). instead i suspect it's an idjit stab at 'class warfare' , the ~90% of usa that can't afford to ride in an airplane delights in hearing 'them snooty fucks in suits' getting stripped
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22:41	asciilifeform	see also e.g.
22:41	snsabot	Logged on 2017-06-19 13:21:57 asciilifeform: 'недобитый kulak dekulakized!' newz at 11
22:44	asciilifeform	or see also mircea_popescu's 'buffett's tax' piece .
22:46	asciilifeform	i.e. where 'class war!111' fuckwits in usa cheered at 'raise tax rate' until then find ~themselves~ expected to pay same % as buffett would pay if he were to ever pay at all
22:48	asciilifeform	unlike expert entomologists like mircea_popescu , trinque , et al, i dun have much contact with the 'illiterate 20yos' set, but enuff to know that they somehow think 'rich' is what their employed older brothers , parents, are, they have no concept of the real thing even in head
22:50	asciilifeform	so idjits go, 'tax the rich!111', buffett : 'yes, yes, tax the rich', while he cackles 'all the way to bank'
22:57	asciilifeform	the old reds had a point when wrote 'you cannot disassemble the master's house with the master's tools' or what was it.
23:09	BingoBoingo	My impression of the TSA was welfare folks pissed they had to show up somewhere and do some motions to get their dole
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23:13	lobbes	http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931614 << oya; the "occupy butt street" idjits I went to school with back in the day got hard-ons at "taxing those rich bastards who dare to create industry"
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23:13	snsabot	Logged on 2019-08-27 22:40:47 asciilifeform: incidentally, i agree w/ mircea_popescu re 'airport strippings have ~popular~ support in usa' but not with his hypothesis re why ( sumthing with 'cuckism' ). instead i suspect it's an idjit stab at 'class warfare' , the ~90% of usa that can't afford to ride in an airplane delights in hearing 'them snooty fucks in suits' getting stripped
23:13	lobbes	amusingly, to this day, however I'll always dress in a suit for air travel. After enough experimenting I discovered that indeed I get better treatment when I do (often am addressed with 'sir' than when in jeanz and t-shirt, get moar attention from the attendants etc). Why? Because the airlines know that a huge % of their business comes from... repeat business travelers! Can't kill industry
23:13	lobbes	but these beasts, as BingoBoingo points, are different items from the TSA monkeys who are mostly the welfare folx
23:22	asciilifeform	lobbes: even ill-fitting suit that'd look at home on a defrocked ex-maffs prof turned hobo, worx a++ wonders in airport.
23:25	asciilifeform	http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931623 << the rage aint even misplaced -- 0 of the folx alive presently, king or slave, had ~anyffin to do with 'create industry'. futile rage, is all.
23:25	snsabot	Logged on 2019-08-27 23:13:14 lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931614 << oya; the "occupy butt street" idjits I went to school with back in the day got hard-ons at "taxing those rich bastards who dare to create industry"
23:29	asciilifeform	for futile rage of farm animal, convenient victim doll will be given. in 1940 same raging plebes wanted 'gas rothchild'. instead gassed shoemakers who used to fix their shoes, tailor who usedto fix their coat. rothchild unscathed, richer than ever.
23:34	asciilifeform	http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931622 << starvation wage in combination with utterly, screamingly pointless work, will do that
23:34	snsabot	Logged on 2019-08-27 23:09:35 BingoBoingo: My impression of the TSA was welfare folks pissed they had to show up somewhere and do some motions to get their dole
23:45	asciilifeform	meanwhile, folx queued for piz even.
23:45	snsabot	Logged on 2019-08-27 18:54:53 thimbronion: FYI if you get more rockchips in I will lease one.
23:46	lobbes	In other news, I just applied the suggested html comments bug fix from diana_coman to blog >> http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/08/on-relationships-or-how-pretense-kills/comment-page-1/#comment-76
23:47	lobbes	seems to be working fine, but plox anyone to let me know if oddities
23:48	lobbes	and ty hanbot for the authoring the fix!
23:52	lobbes	I noticed that the test comment went through much quicker, so perhaps this also was the potential bug mp encountered
23:52	snsabot	Logged on 2019-08-26 17:49:51 mircea_popescu: lobbes, incidentally, your blog takes an ungodly amt of time to take a comment. must be some kinda bug somewheres.
23:52	lobbes	hanbot's patch removed a query to a table that did not exist in my mysql database, so perhaps this was the cause of the lag; time will tell I guess
23:53	lobbes	now to get proper server-side selection working

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