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00:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.00395 = 0.1185 BTC [+] {3}
00:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [7C] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC [-]
00:11 lippoper master
00:11 lippoper .bait
00:11 ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxjv54XLIw1qd33kzo1_500.jpg
00:11 lippoper lol
00:11 lippoper .bait
00:11 ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1yo25FHs31qhs5wyo1_1280.jpg
00:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.00395 = 0.1185 BTC [+] {3}
00:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00084571 = 5.328 BTC [+]
00:12 lippoper .bait what?
00:12 ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzhlokSI8r1qzhnmco1_500.jpg
00:12 lippoper wow
00:12 lippoper such bait
00:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.00395 = 0.1185 BTC [+] {3}
00:16 pankkake artsy bait
00:16 pankkake .bait
00:16 ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m28dw85scM1qducgxo1_1280.jpg
00:16 pankkake she looks dead
00:16 pankkake .bait
00:16 ozbot http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1oossxxoV1qgbw1ro1_1280.jpg
00:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00395 = 0.1975 BTC [+]
00:17 lippoper that .bait was not good
00:17 lippoper .bait how better
00:17 ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2dvgs9kCK1qfvrczo1_500.jpg
00:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 40 @ 0.005 = 0.2 BTC
00:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04799999 = 0.24 BTC [+]
00:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.048 = 0.768 BTC [+]
00:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.048 = 0.288 BTC [+]
00:54 Neil .d
00:54 ozbot 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 976 blocks | Estimated Change: 18.5370% in 5d 12h 7m 55s
01:00 lippoper .bait
01:00 ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/8102059c4b3812f6106011fceff6e8a0/tumblr_mrdeyhX1rr1revbiho1_1280.jpg
01:02 lippoper .bait
01:02 ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/652d10514ea3c99bd4dba13393af9d16/tumblr_mrh7efelwL1racc9so1_500.jpg
01:03 KRS1 .bait
01:03 ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/32b5805831e7f10d0706dff9263ae58c/tumblr_mqqczaWOqW1qbmigqo1_1280.jpg
01:04 KRS1 .bait
01:04 ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/ec076e5063d22613324f9e380defb21f/tumblr_mqzi4c0eaS1r961bco1_1280.jpg
01:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.048 = 0.576 BTC [+]
01:07 lippoper wow
01:07 lippoper such bait
01:07 lippoper .bait
01:08 ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/d13176bef861304390690dba622cd3a7/tumblr_mrfaveDLEX1r43ttjo1_1280.jpg
01:11 KRS1 .bait
01:11 ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/36a06e08eb77b2e2ead1d7d44777c189/tumblr_mqv9icJo5E1rjhp2yo1_1280.jpg
01:11 KRS1 such fun
01:11 KRS1 .bait
01:12 ozbot http://31.media.tumblr.com/3f7ebfc420ee51c10265ff2a254f505a/tumblr_mqgvlybP0N1rehptdo1_1280.png
01:14 lippoper some of these aren't bait, just flat ass chicks
01:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57196798 BTC [+]
01:21 lippoper .bait
01:22 ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/2cc15ae6cf140506a6624aee87ce5144/tumblr_mrnmrpHsil1rk7pjxo1_500.jpg
01:22 lippoper lol oldest bait ever
01:22 KRS1 LIES that is not bait
01:22 KRS1 .bait
01:22 ozbot http://31.media.tumblr.com/4112ea1fa317bcac361ab1f31b3316d7/tumblr_mqwryriYVw1qim75wo1_500.jpg
01:22 KRS1 Thats bait.
01:23 lippoper that looks bait certifiable
01:23 lippoper .bait
01:23 ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/5f236adf8b51e0b87be3b6da2285620a/tumblr_mp9095ubhY1qejls2o1_500.jpg
01:23 KRS1 fap fap fap
01:23 KRS1 she's got wood
01:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44650 @ 0.00084898 = 37.907 BTC [+] {4}
01:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.57198899 = 1.144 BTC [+] {2}
01:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.57196798 = 1.1439 BTC [-]
01:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00534999 = 0.2675 BTC [+]
01:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00535 = 0.2675 BTC [+] {2}
02:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.049 = 1.323 BTC [+]
02:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.025001 = 0.125 BTC [-] {2}
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02:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00084748 = 2.8814 BTC [-]
02:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 50 @ 0.02649979 = 1.325 BTC [+] {2}
02:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13583 @ 0.00085037 = 11.5506 BTC [+]
03:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5444 @ 0.00084559 = 4.6034 BTC [-] {2}
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03:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.57391889 = 5.7392 BTC [+] {7}
03:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.00009123 = 0.2281 BTC [-] {6}
04:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00084464 = 12.3317 BTC [-] {3}
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04:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00535 = 0.535 BTC [+]
04:25 Neil 1600 BTC on the 2bn now. Not sure it can get 1690 BTC for the record.
04:28 KRS1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2k8qjSnvS0
04:28 ozbot Bad Girlfriend Lyrics (DIRTY) - YouTube
04:28 KRS1 .bait
04:28 ozbot http://31.media.tumblr.com/8d916cddc387d97eebb11e4dab683b43/tumblr_mhycdxh7Nw1rsx13do1_500.jpg
04:28 KRS1 .bait
04:28 ozbot http://31.media.tumblr.com/83322eb1e0ca0956a924dae96bc4dca7/tumblr_mi4e4yh4Q91qz9pzzo1_1280.jpg
04:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12869 @ 0.00084735 = 10.9045 BTC [+] {2}
04:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1252 @ 0.00083083 = 1.0402 BTC [-] {5}
04:42 KRS1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxqyhTZDzFg
04:42 ozbot Nickelback Next Contestant - YouTube
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05:20 BingoBoingo .d
05:20 ozbot 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 949 blocks | Estimated Change: 17.9475% in 5d 9h 30m 51s
05:33 KRS1 hi
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05:51 Neil !help
05:51 assbot List of commands:
05:51 assbot !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
05:51 assbot !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
05:51 assbot !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
05:51 assbot !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
05:51 assbot !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
05:51 assbot !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)
05:51 assbot !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
05:51 assbot !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
05:52 Neil !jd
05:52 assbot Just-Dice stat: 11628 BTC profit, 37.5k BTC invested, 503.24 mio bets, 4.84 mio BTC wagered
05:52 Neil hehe
06:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00085037 = 2.8062 BTC [+]
06:04 KRS1 love that site
06:17 BingoBoingo Huh, Bitbet broke 12k BTC bet
06:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00085037 = 5.7825 BTC [+]
06:28 mircea_popescu http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/pastafarian-minister-christopher-schaeffer-is-sworn-into-new-york-town-council-9044607.html
06:28 ozbot Pastafarian minister Christopher Schaeffer is sworn into New York Town Council - Americas - World -
06:28 mircea_popescu guy came to be sworn in with a calender on his head.
06:29 mircea_popescu best part ? it all happened @Pomfret, which our serbian friends will love :D
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06:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00085037 = 8.6738 BTC [+]
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07:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 52 @ 0.00435 = 0.2262 BTC [+]
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07:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17695 @ 0.00084422 = 14.9385 BTC [-]
08:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1941 @ 0.00084564 = 1.6414 BTC [+]
08:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55057301 BTC [-]
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08:40 twizt so much affiliate spam
08:43 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/most-wrong-and-absolutely-wrongest/
08:43 ozbot Most wrong and absolutely wrongest pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
08:44 mircea_popescu twizt they're kinda funny, in their warrior forum retardation. there was some dork coupla days earlier with his wave nonsense,
08:44 mircea_popescu it's sort of like a petting zoo for the mentally challenged.
08:45 twizt wheres a mod
08:45 twizt much ban needed
08:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55057 BTC [-]
08:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00084588 = 4.4832 BTC [+] {2}
08:56 mircea_popescu hardly worth the hassle.
09:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00534528 = 0.5345 BTC [-]
09:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 23 @ 0.00435 = 0.1001 BTC [-]
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09:47 assbot yw
09:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00084361 = 8.7314 BTC [-] {2}
09:54 mircea_popescu lol
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10:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00084614 = 7.573 BTC [+]
10:12 nubbins` hm
10:13 nubbins` wow, he actually did wear a colander on his head
10:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.06244998 = 0.1873 BTC [+] {2}
10:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.06244999 = 0.7494 BTC [+] {4}
10:40 mircea_popescu "These guys worked for 10 years without pay. They have the right to have their work recognized with a diploma, which is nothing much these days."
10:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ever heard of the bogdanov twins ?
10:42 asciilifeform nope
10:42 asciilifeform or, wait...
10:43 mircea_popescu the two guys that figured out the planck era.
10:44 asciilifeform aha the french
10:44 asciilifeform why remembered?
10:44 mircea_popescu "All these were ideas that could possibly make sense. It showed some originality and some familiarity with the jargon. That's all I ask."
10:45 mircea_popescu because i was having a dispute with some lambsy over hierarchy, truth and all that.
10:45 asciilifeform make lambsy stuff his fingers in a mains socket. he'll learn hierarchy, truth...
10:46 asciilifeform ... and power.
10:46 mircea_popescu i don't want her to lose a nail.
10:48 mircea_popescu anyway, how often does an onslaught against humanities constructed around the sokal hoaks end up blindised by a "o yeah ?! what about the bogdanov twins then
10:48 mircea_popescu !!!"
10:49 pankkake bogdanov twins are pretty much "tv scientists"
10:49 asciilifeform https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!msg/sci.physics/KOBNOKq9FvI/ZjV8jeT9-AkJ
10:49 ozbot Google Groups
10:49 mircea_popescu o wait, you had them on tv huh
10:49 pankkake got their phd because everyone was tired of them, and schemed to have it delivered by a prestigious school, though they had nothing to do with that school
10:50 mircea_popescu i wonder what % of people are in their situation by now.
10:50 asciilifeform "Igor and Grishka Bogdanov are long-time TV stars on
10:50 asciilifeform french TV, with an act between science-fiction and scientific
10:50 asciilifeform popularisation. I am a bit surprised that a faculty failed to
10:50 asciilifeform *know* them as experts in mystifications."
10:51 mircea_popescu afaik it wasn't deliberately constructed
10:51 mircea_popescu no /
10:51 mircea_popescu ?
10:52 pankkake well, you end up having most diplomas wether you're good or not; most diplomas mean nothing. I certainly wouldn't hire anyone who has my diplomas and nothing else to show
10:52 pankkake deliberately constructed?
10:52 asciilifeform i'm all for a little 'lustration' of physics as a field:
10:52 asciilifeform exam:
10:53 asciilifeform lock candidate in a well-stocked lab, circa 1920.
10:53 asciilifeform he must, say, construct a (working) triode valve.
10:53 asciilifeform if he fails, he goes to Kolyma instead of physics.
10:53 mircea_popescu pankkake yes, like sokal's.
10:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform problem with this is the chinese would produce numerous triode valve procuders.
10:54 asciilifeform sorta like an adult version of the 'MIT battery' test.
10:54 nubbins` http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/01/casascius-back
10:54 ozbot Bitcoin Mint Reopens After Nastygram From Feds | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com
10:54 mircea_popescu you can probably train a well chosen monkey to make one
10:54 mircea_popescu o hey.
10:54 asciilifeform (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIhk9eKOLzQ)
10:54 nubbins` "But how do you know that the privkey inside matches the public key part? And how do you know the privkey wasn't copied by someone before being sold to you? This thing is far less secure than a downloaded paper wallet!"
10:54 nubbins` so much comment fail
10:54 pankkake it's not really comparable. sokal wanted to prove a point, they just were bad and wanted a phd
10:54 nubbins` i don't have a third hand to do a triple-facepalm, so i'm using the table
10:54 mircea_popescu pankkake yeah.
10:55 asciilifeform you can train a monkey, yes. but the problem is to be unexpected and picked from a hat, like a soviet oral exam
10:55 asciilifeform one fellow gets to make a triode, another, to measure speed of light to 1%, another...
10:55 mircea_popescu so caldwell moving to "m,ake your own coin" model /
10:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i wish to see this boat of yours.
10:56 pankkake I remember when on my programming exams some studends were protesting because the things they had to solve were "new problems"
10:56 mircea_popescu lol
10:56 nubbins` mp, not sure why he didn't do this in the first place.
10:56 mircea_popescu i recall from my days in highschool that teh womenz mostly wanted to do again and again the same stuff as likely to show up on the bacalaureat thingee.
10:56 asciilifeform you could improve virtually any field, not only physics, with Extreme Muppet Removal Algorithm (TM)
10:56 nubbins` "you send me x+y coins, i keep y coins, mail you shiny metal, then send x coins to your shiny metal"
10:56 pankkake it was first year though, second year was much more sane
10:57 pankkake but that clearly was the result of the high school mentality
10:57 nubbins` plenty of forum rage, "how am i supposed to know the coins are funded! who do i trust!" etc
10:57 mircea_popescu the way they packaged it at the time was that womenz get scared in unfamiliar situations and therefore must "have practice
10:57 nubbins` "things are different, my thinker doesn't work anymore"
10:57 mircea_popescu nubbins` course you could make your own holosticks and fdill the coins yourself.
10:58 asciilifeform this hologram business, why does anyone swallow it
10:58 nubbins` these new ones will still come with holos
10:58 mircea_popescu shuit up. it shines.
10:58 asciilifeform coping holo is 1980s tech
10:58 asciilifeform *copy
10:58 mircea_popescu i once put a shiny thing on my cock and it got bigger.
10:58 nubbins` that was a mirror ;p
10:58 mircea_popescu haters
10:59 nubbins` "shit, i've got two bellheads now!"
10:59 nubbins` asciilifeform: and yet the only fakes i've seen have been brutally obvious
10:59 mircea_popescu did the holo say GUC ?
10:59 pankkake finding the way to make cocks bigger is the sure way to becoming a billionnaire
10:59 nubbins` it didn't even use the same font
11:00 mircea_popescu or did you end up with the CCI end
11:00 nubbins` HEH
11:00 nubbins` http://casascius.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/counterfeit.jpg
11:00 mircea_popescu much low quality. such shitty.
11:00 mircea_popescu why no cam ?
11:01 nubbins` compare to: http://imgur.com/1rJZWvV
11:01 pankkake oh, it's not an original because there is no original written on it. i get it!
11:02 nubbins` haha
11:02 nubbins` "this hologram is not fake"
11:02 mircea_popescu nubbins` there's a tshirt idea for you :
11:02 asciilifeform that last one - 'casascius' vs. 'casacius'
11:02 asciilifeform (middle vs. sides)
11:02 mircea_popescu "this is the original tshirt. everyone else is just wearing copies."
11:02 nubbins` ooh
11:03 mircea_popescu yw.
11:03 nubbins` would probably fetch a higher price than my idea for bespoke public key shirts, too
11:03 asciilifeform i've never even seen these before, and this part was obvious
11:03 nubbins` asciilifeform, that's the infamous "hologram error" that noobs believe makes the coins more valuable
11:03 nubbins` in fact, 1btc holo error coins are maybe one of the more common sorts.
11:03 asciilifeform beautiful.
11:03 mircea_popescu apparently caldwell couscous'd his own cascasname
11:04 nubbins` a truly rare gem is a 2011 1btc WITHOUT a hologram error.
11:04 asciilifeform i still don't get the appeal, maybe i'm just thick
11:04 nubbins` the appeal for me is that i'm into coin collecting anyway
11:04 mircea_popescu kinda like being the only guy at the swinger's party with a chick with total hysterectomy.
11:04 asciilifeform if i want coldwallets in ampoules, i'll seal them myself
11:04 mircea_popescu it's RARE.
11:04 nubbins` it's like if you found a sexy woman whose pussy was coded in ASM or something.
11:05 asciilifeform 'rare' is when you make 10 of something and they're the only such things on the planet
11:05 mircea_popescu unrelatedly : did anyone know that obamacare specifies it's illegal to provide better health plans for top executives than you provide for rank and file clerks ?
11:05 nubbins` even us canadians don't take it that far.
11:06 nubbins` that's ostensibly very egalitarian, got my doubts it'll work that way in practice
11:06 mircea_popescu fuck practice. how dares it pretend to work that way in theory.
11:06 nubbins` heh!
11:06 mircea_popescu who would pay taxes in a fuckuntry where they actually believe random clerk has the same right to survive as a ceo.
11:06 nubbins` regardless of premiums paid?
11:07 nubbins` like, the ceo can't even pay extra for a better plan?
11:07 mircea_popescu well apparently the notion that if i pay someone 1mn a year i can afford to pay for better health care than if he barely pulls his weight at 10k a year is a mystery nao.
11:07 asciilifeform nubbins`: ceo buys a plane ticket and then whatever he likes.
11:08 mircea_popescu basically, "let's make everything equal, in the sense that everything should suck"
11:08 asciilifeform the whole thing is a 'conspicuous benevolence' circus, not actual politics.
11:08 mircea_popescu "imagine, all the money we'll save"
11:08 nubbins` well, short people can only raise a bar so high, y'know
11:08 jurov we have put together an idea - etch the keys to the metal
11:08 mircea_popescu jurov what's that help ?
11:08 nubbins` there was a discussion about etched keys and medical imaging equipment
11:08 jurov cover the privkey with another piece of metal, solder together
11:08 nubbins` and whether the resolution is great enough
11:08 asciilifeform the 'btc coin' is about as interesting as those cars they had in the 1890s, the ones with... reins.
11:08 jurov and apply the stamp to the solder
11:09 jurov no flimsy holos
11:09 nubbins` hm.
11:09 mircea_popescu i doubt this is in any way stronger.
11:09 nubbins` so like a picture charm?
11:09 nubbins` but soldered together?
11:10 jurov yes, like with wax. you'll have to recreate the stamp if you tamper with it
11:10 nubbins` seems trivial
11:10 jurov imho harder than to peel off holo sticker
11:10 nubbins` why not just press wax against the seal to dupe it?
11:10 nubbins` lel 80yo woman with teddy bear hat walked up the road
11:11 nubbins` oh sorry, it's a wolf head
11:11 jurov yes, ofc seal can be duped, but it takes some time
11:11 mircea_popescu some time /!
11:12 jurov it's harder than to figure out how to dissolve holo sticker glue, that's all
11:12 nubbins` common solvents ;p
11:12 asciilifeform try liquid CO2.
11:12 nubbins` freeze it off!
11:13 nubbins` i'm itching to try a few things, but i don't want to ruin a bunch of coins
11:13 asciilifeform https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/File:Physbitcoinkey.jpg
11:13 asciilifeform this, i take it, is the scheme?
11:13 nubbins` yeah
11:13 asciilifeform what's on the other side?
11:14 nubbins` the pubkey
11:14 asciilifeform yes, but is there a holo?
11:14 nubbins` wait the other side of what?
11:14 asciilifeform or just metal
11:14 asciilifeform the coin
11:14 nubbins` just metal
11:14 asciilifeform then you have your answer.
11:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14329 @ 0.0008479 = 12.1496 BTC [+] {2}
11:15 nubbins` http://imgur.com/TOxg3pc
11:15 ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer
11:15 nubbins` do i? :(
11:15 asciilifeform slice metal coin with appropriate tool (excimer laser?), read key, fuse metal again.
11:15 asciilifeform or drill with same, then borescope.
11:15 asciilifeform hologram is untouched.
11:16 nubbins` holo untouched, metal butchered
11:16 nubbins` you're telling me you can half a coin along its height and reattach it?
11:16 asciilifeform metal can be replicated with 19th c. tech.
11:16 nubbins` hm
11:16 asciilifeform http://site.spyville.com/spy-coins/spy-coin-quarter.jpg
11:16 nubbins` heh.
11:16 nubbins` would be tough to not roast the private key
11:17 nubbins` it's just paper
11:17 asciilifeform ever boil water in a paper cup?
11:17 asciilifeform try it
11:18 nubbins` that's a bit different, paper can survive comfortably at 100C
11:18 nubbins` it cannot survive comfortably at the melt point of brass
11:18 asciilifeform it doesn't even singe
11:18 asciilifeform and laser doesn't melt, it sublimates.
11:18 asciilifeform (unless you're a complete noob)
11:18 asciilifeform re: drilling:
11:18 asciilifeform http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/uploaded/Omnivorous/20120304_moneta.jpg
11:18 nubbins` true
11:19 nubbins` regardless, there'd still be enormous heat transfer to the paper, no?
11:19 asciilifeform so you remove the heat on the other side.
11:19 nubbins` uh huh. right. sorry, no coffee yet today
11:19 asciilifeform peltier element stack. keep the paper at a comfortable 20C.
11:20 nubbins` i was looking at peltier fans the other day, actually
11:20 nubbins` my folks have a propane fireplace, but the fan obv doesn't circulate the heat when the power goes
11:20 asciilifeform consumer cpu peltier isn't the answer here, you want a fat stack like the kind used in PCR machines.
11:21 nubbins` well, when these unfunded coins start hitting the market, i bet there's going to be some experimenting going on
11:21 asciilifeform re: fireplace: nobody cancelled thermodynamics. your main problem will be to find a cold object for the other end of the peltier.
11:21 nubbins` the air in the room :D
11:22 nubbins` i've seen ones that will run off the temp differential between the top of the stove and the ambient air
11:23 asciilifeform that's pretty easy. your tea kettle does much the same.
11:23 nubbins` http://www.leevalley.com/en/gifts/page.aspx?c=&p=50246&cat=4,104,55967
11:23 ozbot Ecofan® - Lee Valley Tools
11:23 nubbins` lee valley is a wondrous place for tinkerers and fiddlers
11:24 nubbins` wait, is this even the same goddamn tech?
11:24 nubbins` yeah
11:24 nubbins` wait, no. similar.
11:25 nubbins` anyway, i think the main reason nobody's tried slicing and dicing casascius coins until now is because the premiums were always so goddamn high
11:26 nubbins` and nobody wanted to potentially flush a couple btc down the drain experimenting
11:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.57363679 = 11.4727 BTC [+] {8}
11:27 asciilifeform no need to use an actual coin to experiment
11:27 asciilifeform brass with paper glued to it should suffice for a proof of concept.
11:28 nubbins` hm, nod
11:28 nubbins` i think the holo itself would shrivel long before the paper browns, but point remains the same. as long as you can keep the reverse (or is it obverse?) at room-ish temperature
11:29 nubbins` a casascius spy coin, imagine
11:30 asciilifeform other idea
11:30 asciilifeform private key is presumably printed after hologram is made
11:30 nubbins` yes.
11:30 asciilifeform STM (microscope) the holo side.
11:30 asciilifeform watch for bumps.
11:30 asciilifeform ink has mass!
11:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16121 @ 0.00085016 = 13.7054 BTC [+]
11:31 asciilifeform poor man's STM can be made with a pair of piezo speakers ($1-5 each)
11:31 nubbins` i've got stacks of piezos
11:32 asciilifeform think 'record player' but with a very sharp needle and on an x-y plane instead of spiral.
11:32 nubbins` with a needle and a piezo, srsly?
11:33 asciilifeform http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/ScanningTunnelingMicroscope_schematic.png
11:34 nubbins` huh. yeah, apparently <$1k in parts
11:35 asciilifeform one kid did an $50 demo (a decade or two ago?)
11:35 nubbins` !
11:37 nubbins` i'm imagining repurposing a 3d printer
11:37 nubbins` precise x,y,z control
11:37 asciilifeform nope. you need oscillating analogue signal for the kind of distances involved
11:38 asciilifeform 3d printer gives you 0.1mm/step at best
11:38 nubbins` PWM?
11:38 asciilifeform stepper motor is geared so 1 step = x mm. of belt travel
11:38 nubbins` aha
11:38 nubbins` .1mm might be okay, y'know
11:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.575 BTC [+]
11:41 nubbins` once you get a handle on the font, even a fairly low-res image would narrow things down to a reasonable set of possibilities
11:41 asciilifeform once you establish a way to pick up ink/no-ink on the holo side, the jig is up.
11:42 asciilifeform you might even be able to use the piezo needle for x-y and a sensitive capacitance meter for the 'ink' signal.
11:43 asciilifeform holo is aluminum, coin is brass, ink+paper -> dielectric
11:43 asciilifeform treat the system as a grid of very small capacitors...
11:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.55660018 = 11.132 BTC [-] {8}
11:44 nubbins` i'm about 70% of the way towards just giving you a coin to play with ;p
11:44 lippoper .bait
11:44 ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me0t3uS36r1qk2vvro1_1280.jpg
11:44 asciilifeform why count on others, do it yerself
11:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.54334699 = 10.8669 BTC [-] {5}
11:44 asciilifeform btw, what's the thing printed on the top? 1st characters of key?
11:45 asciilifeform if so, this means you can check your answer without popping the coin's cherry.
11:46 nubbins` yes, correct
11:46 nubbins` not quite firstbits, but you can check the code against a published list
11:46 asciilifeform well then.
11:47 nubbins` hence the derpiness of "how will we know the coins are funded?" regarding forthcoming self-funded coins
11:50 nubbins` just clicking through related articles on wired
11:50 nubbins` http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/category/thats-not-how-you-use-it/
11:50 ozbot That's Not How You Use It | Gadget Lab | Wired.com
11:50 nubbins` lel
11:50 nubbins` there's an article on how to properly wear a bike helmet
11:50 nubbins` and another explaining the dangers of tightly wrapping your macbook's power cord around the brick
11:51 nubbins` up next: 10 reasons why it's a bad idea to masturbate with a reciprocating saw
11:55 asciilifeform http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/2011/11/Snapshot-2011-11-14-16-35-171.jpg
11:55 asciilifeform china tests orbital laser cutter.
11:56 nubbins` that's quite the tangram
11:56 asciilifeform (as good a guess as any)
11:56 nubbins` http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/02/lockwhip-bike-tool-demoed-by-rider-with-a-deathwish/
11:56 ozbot LockWhip Bike Tool Demoed by Rider with a Deathwish | Gadget Lab | Wired.com
11:56 nubbins` ^ pretty lelly video as well as article
11:56 nubbins` "As you can see, the chap doing the demonstration is a qualified fixed-gear rider: With no brakes, he terrorizes pedestrians by running a red light at top speed and careers into London’s Picadilly Circus. He also has the obligatory skinny pants with Kryptonite Evo-Mini D-lock in the back pocket. Rest assured: this guy is a professional."
11:57 asciilifeform looks a little like: http://www.milsurpstuff.com/prodimages/PJTW1.jpg
11:58 asciilifeform ('m16' barrel wrench. single-piece combo tools are nothing new.)
11:58 nubbins` i like how they chose an asshole rider who blows red lights to demo their product
11:59 nubbins` near the end of the video, he misses a bus by about two coats of paint
11:59 nubbins` switching gears for a second, looks like this gem will sell: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/331103983219?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
11:59 nubbins` ooh, pun actually not intended.
12:01 asciilifeform wonder if just us having this conversation shaved a few pennies of the market value of these things
12:01 asciilifeform crack one, crack them all...
12:03 nubbins` there's a high level of irrationality present in the subset of people who are into these coins
12:03 asciilifeform can't imagine it would survive a public reading of the key through the holo.
12:03 nubbins` at decfon last year, they managed to remove a holo while leaving only slight traces of tampering
12:04 nubbins` everyone then rushed to get their coins graded and slabbed, as if the cat wasn't already out of the bag
12:04 asciilifeform 'slight' is not quite as spiffy as 'none.'
12:04 nubbins` not nearly as spiffy, no
12:04 nubbins` i still haven't seen a legit, undetectable unfunding.
12:04 asciilifeform 'best way to predict the future is to invent it.'
12:04 nubbins` nod
12:05 nubbins` casascius started offering pgp custody chains
12:05 nubbins` i took him up on it and have been offering to extend the chain to buyers. only one has taken me up on it so far.
12:06 nubbins` to be fair, once the coin changes hands twice, a chain of custody is essentially useless
12:07 asciilifeform well, chain of custody could help you avoid coins touched by people with dirty minds, like you and i.
12:07 asciilifeform (though if i actually gave a damn about exploiting casascius, last thing i'd do is tell people about it.)
12:07 nubbins` the devil you know, etc
12:08 nubbins` one of the interesting things about casascius coins is that nobody seems to know how to price them
12:09 nubbins` there are a handful of fools who insist on pricing via "2x/4x face value" and other nonsense
12:09 nubbins` as if the face value of a coin has any bearing on its numismatic value
12:10 nubbins` then there are the fools who believe their coins are impossibly valuable -- plenty of 25btc rounds with asking prices of 40+btc
12:10 nubbins` as if somebody's going to pay a $13,000 premium for a round minted last year
12:11 nubbins` i spoke to a guy who TURNED DOWN an offer of 30btc for his 10btc round.
12:12 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/ron-maimon-lubos-motl-and-other-internet-things-i-hear-of-today-for-the-very-first-time/
12:12 mircea_popescu i'm doing internet muppets today.
12:15 nubbins` heh
12:15 nubbins` mircea_popescu, ever read "the coming insurrection"?
12:15 mircea_popescu i don't think so.
12:16 nubbins` written by "the invisible committee", aka the Tarnac Nine
12:16 nubbins` seems like the sort of thing you might enjoy reviewing, if not reading
12:17 asciilifeform speaking of truly bizarre, for anyone who missed it earlier:
12:17 asciilifeform http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/2711/1/The%20answer%20lies%20in%20the%20sewers(lsero).pdf
12:17 asciilifeform "the answer lies in the sewers."
12:18 nubbins` http://zinelibrary.info/files/pdf_Insurrection.pdf
12:18 mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-I6XTVZXww other bizarre
12:18 ozbot ASTOUNDING: 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + ... = -1/12 - YouTube
12:18 mircea_popescu nubbins` aite.
12:18 nubbins` pdf, i know
12:18 nubbins` it's not readily available in plain text
12:19 asciilifeform neither is 'sewers', but definitely worth reading.
12:19 nubbins` i first read this around the time "occupy" was floundering about. had a chuckle at one point where they decry the General Assembly as essentially the worst idea ever
12:20 nubbins` meanwhile, 5k hippies in downtown NY...
12:20 mircea_popescu nubbins` i guess i'll convert it
12:20 nubbins` asciilifeform, i'm gonna bookmark this
12:21 nubbins` mircea_popescu, i downloaded the printable version and read it as hard copy
12:21 nubbins` easy print-stack-fold format
12:22 nubbins` incomprehensibly, the printable version is english-only
12:22 nubbins` ...
12:22 nubbins` actually, sorry.
12:22 nubbins` http://tarnac9.wordpress.com/texts/the-coming-insurrection/
12:22 ozbot The Coming Insurrection | Support the Tarnac 10
12:22 nubbins` i think that's actually the complete text
12:23 nubbins` "Another reflex is to call a general assembly at the slightest sign of movement, and vote. This is a mistake. The business of voting and deciding a winner, is enough to turn the assembly into a nightmare, into a theater where all the various little pretenders to power confront each other. Here we suffer from the bad example of bourgeois parliaments. An assembly is not a place for decisions but for
12:23 nubbins` palaver, for free speech exercised without a goal."
12:23 nubbins` that's rich
12:24 mircea_popescu lol
12:26 nubbins` k, gotta jet. peace
12:27 mircea_popescu nubbins` why am i reading a french text in english ?!
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13:50 benkay` the only fartup in which i'm taking equity right now is Bitcoin.
13:50 KRS1 did you guys se this
13:50 KRS1 https://ripple.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5509
13:50 ozbot Ripple Discussion • View topic - Peercover Simple Stocks
13:52 benkay` https://ripple.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5509#p36398
13:52 ozbot Ripple Discussion • View topic - Peercover Simple Stocks
13:52 benkay` "So if I own a business I can sell shares on ripple using your service? I will need to look into this..."
13:53 KRS1 looks like it
13:53 benkay` if this person actually "owned" an actual "business" they wouldn't be "looking into" selling shares on some derpy ripple thing
13:53 KRS1 actually it specifically says you can buy/sell tickers tied to the ripple protocol with this platform
13:59 KRS1 hard to figure out what the hell anymore..such scam everywhere you look it seems
13:59 benkay` if it's not actually a bitcoin it's a scam
14:00 benkay` most of the time it's a scam of the innocent 'i want to derp a thing related to buttcorns so i'll poop some features and call it bitcoin 2.0' type
14:00 KRS1 so consider this..peercover is insurance but they also will now have an exchange for trading..doesn't this complicate their liquidity requirements
14:01 kakobrekla kyle_torpey ENJOY YOUR MEAL, eveyone, kyle_torpey is having lunch!!!11
14:01 pankkake bitcoin businesses seem to raise money when they don't need it, end up with a shitload of coins, and simply don't have any incentive to work
14:02 pankkake whereas they could do most of the work before raising funds
14:02 benkay` KRS1: where can i read more about peercover being insurance? their website has *nothing*.
14:02 KRS1 sec
14:03 mircea_popescu KRS1 how is this new/noteworthy/whatever ?
14:04 mircea_popescu and who's kyle
14:04 benkay` also i ams in need of htmling and cssing does anyone in here have a recommendation?
14:04 mircea_popescu and oter questions
14:05 KRS1 wow peercover site sux
14:05 mircea_popescu benkay` alberto ?
14:06 benkay` alberto?
14:06 pankkake benkay`: what do you mean exactly, htmling and cssing?
14:06 mircea_popescu yes, alberto amandi. an expert.
14:06 jurov safety-compliant round corners?
14:06 mircea_popescu read like "an hero"
14:06 KRS1 I found more information about peercover here http://ripplefederation.org/news/peercover-launches-distributed-insurance-platform-built-on-ripple
14:07 pankkake I only do manly CSS. sharp corners, no shadows
14:07 benkay` pankkake: mvp landing pages, 2014-compliant design choices
14:07 mircea_popescu "only do mainly" is not english
14:08 benkay` styling of web application stuff and of course hacking on legacy crap
14:08 mircea_popescu KRS1 do you see any indication this is anything more or other than a purely nominalist rebranding of their old crap that was already beaten to shit in the marketplace ?
14:08 pankkake mircea_popescu: manly not mainly
14:08 mircea_popescu whoa i cnat raed.
14:10 KRS1 mircea_popescu my vote is no
14:10 KRS1 i tossed it out to the chan to see if anyone had an opinion
14:13 KRS1 mircea_popescu: it wasn't peercover exactly I was trying to get at here, it was their trading platform
14:15 mircea_popescu the idea they're still pushing usagiesque nonsense...
14:15 mircea_popescu crowd insurance. heh.
14:22 KRS1 thats a nightmare waiting to happen imo
14:23 KRS1 love this analogy: xrp, like worldcoin turned our lady bitcoin into a cheap whore
14:23 mircea_popescu initially they thought they can buy their way into relevancy, and intelligent actors bleed them dry.
14:23 KRS1 haa nice
14:23 mircea_popescu now they don't dare try for phase two of that, and so they're stuck waiting. it will probably be indefinite.
14:23 KRS1 they're hitting up angel investment in the meantime
14:24 asciilifeform the funny part is that these folks would be richer, work less, and spend slightly less time in jail if... they wrote virii.
14:24 asciilifeform and would be serving a useful 'ecological purpose'
14:24 asciilifeform (put people off winblows)
14:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform they'd be even richer, work more at shit they like working at and so on and so forth if they just gave up their delusions of self importance and agency and just found some better people to submit to.
14:25 mircea_popescu in short, people rarely make the best decisions for themselves
14:25 mircea_popescu it's out of that wastage that communities emerge in the first place.
14:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i specifically brought up crapware as a field where a modestly clever fellow could work without answering to anyone.
14:26 mircea_popescu yeah, but their problem kinda is that they should be answering to someone. i can sorta see the loneliness in their actions.
14:27 asciilifeform i'm not certain why you so readily conclude that they aren't happy 'wolf men'
14:27 asciilifeform (in the medieval sense of 'rogue')
14:27 mircea_popescu well... either because i'm naive or because i've seen happy wolf men and they don't look like it
14:27 mircea_popescu a knave is not a rogue.
14:28 mircea_popescu a knave is just a boy without a father.
14:33 KRS1 asciilifeform the problem with crapware is capitalizing on it, thats where the road ends for most..writing virii is the easy part
14:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.00535 = 0.5297 BTC [+]
14:34 KRS1 lol @ <CiPi> And everyone must know, bitcoin will never be accepted by banks. NEVER. And because of this the price of bitcoin will rise like the price of cocaine in 1960.
14:35 asciilifeform KRS1: crap artists (whom i hunt for a living, different story) never seem to have any problem renting out space on their crapnets.
14:35 kakobrekla i wanna hear the different story
14:36 mircea_popescu is it the phenomenology of cool driving it ? like he guy with the ferrari at burning man never having trouble "renting" the bitch ride ?
14:36 mircea_popescu or is it actually economical ?
14:36 asciilifeform maybe once i leave that work behind. i promise it isn't an interesting story though.
14:36 asciilifeform most of what i see is profoundly disappointing in the intellectual sense.
14:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: remember your essay on spam?
14:37 mircea_popescu i do.
14:37 asciilifeform about how most spammers are cargo cultists
14:37 asciilifeform who heard, of someone long ago and far away, turning a profit...
14:38 pankkake it's very much like bitcoin mining
14:38 pankkake profit is in selling the stuff
14:38 pankkake I don't think it used to be as separate as it is now
14:38 asciilifeform as a boy, i read about an 18th c. book, 'Triple Power over the Forces of Hell'
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14:38 asciilifeform that promised the reader that he could learn to summon devils
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14:38 asciilifeform who would help him find treasures
14:38 asciilifeform the book changed hands many, many times
14:38 asciilifeform each time, for a much greater price
14:39 asciilifeform i think back to this every time i read about the btc mining 'industry.'
14:40 mircea_popescu at least in the 1800s it was a book
14:40 mircea_popescu now it's a box
14:41 mircea_popescu anyway, the quote above is from my own blog. cargo cultist got a spam script, understands some parts of how it works. ends up sending the unprocessed spinlist.
14:41 asciilifeform worst part is that in this latter case, the devil occasionally appears and shits out a little gold, just enough to temp the sinner into being stupider
14:42 mircea_popescu imo that's the good part, but hey.
14:42 asciilifeform i do agree, it's far more interesting with fully-functioning devils.
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14:47 asciilifeform getting back to the crapware: most instances you're dealing with a case of 'work 12 hrs. a day to make minim. wage while you sleep.'
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14:48 mircea_popescu i like that expression.
14:48 asciilifeform most of the career spammers / crapware artists are based in parts of the world where the resulting pennies buy you something approaching a civilized life.
14:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'm pretty sure i lifted that phrase straight from your essays
14:48 mircea_popescu i came to it studying the warrior forum (*) years ago, when i noticed the unifying factor in all their textual emissions was a desire to "make money while you sleep".
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14:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: as someone who works 'with' these people, i think i have a bit of a psycho-crackpot angle on their driving philosophy
14:49 mircea_popescu * it's a large, affiliate forum. people who eke out a harsh existence at the edges of economy, internet and legality. the guys who buy 50k clicks on site y to send to site x.
14:49 asciilifeform they want to eat without submitting.
14:50 mircea_popescu that part is fine.
14:50 asciilifeform some of them, if they could be fishermen on some forgotten shore, would probably take it up.
14:50 mircea_popescu i suspect the baby is thrown with a bathwater somewhere at some point somehow tho
14:50 mircea_popescu because at the bottom line there's no baby.
14:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the most successful ones i've 'met' so far live in your home town.
14:51 jurov ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:984a516497b5bbf7875262e65772f2c2155a07cc3d0a46a878f36fae
14:51 gribble You are now authenticated for user jurov with key 677ABD62D0AEE7D7
14:51 mircea_popescu ha.
14:52 asciilifeform (obligatory note about the traditional 'good spies' vs. 'famous spies')
14:52 nubbins` re: french vs english, i have no idea. TANJ.
14:52 nubbins` apparently french people don't want to print things, nor read web pages
14:52 mircea_popescu ;;google here's a story from our town, of the prettiest girl around.
14:52 gribble JOHNNY CASH LYRICS - Ballad Of A Teenage Queen - A-Z Lyrics: <http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/johnnycash/balladofateenagequeen.html>; Rodney Crowell - Ballad of a Teenage Queen (with lyrics) - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNKOTdwtT3s>; Our Town - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Town>
14:52 mircea_popescu there we go.
14:53 nubbins` although a simpler explanation is that anglos find The Coming Insurrection much more interesting than francos.
14:53 mircea_popescu nubbins` which is kind of my point.
14:53 asciilifeform crapware is a very valuable psychological gauge of mankind
14:53 mircea_popescu in french is just a banal term paper on the works of otherwise commonplace academics.
14:53 asciilifeform in the sense that it spans the entire spectrum from 'idiot, how does he remember to breathe' to 'brilliant, jewel of the ages'
14:53 nubbins` i think there's less of an "allure of the unknown" on these sorts of topic in french society
14:54 mircea_popescu in the intellectually-desititute english language, it's an incendiary tract glenn beck gets all excited about.
14:54 nubbins` for obvious reasons
14:54 mircea_popescu here's the thing : the french actually still think.
14:54 nubbins` they still think and they still kick up a stink once in a while
14:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i agree, and i propose to you it's because it is a free market.
14:54 nubbins` by and large, the anglo world was long ago cowed into inaction
14:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: correct. and what's yet funnier, it showcases the 'marx' point about 'alienated labour'
14:54 nubbins` and texts like that are essentially an edgy fantasy novel
14:55 mircea_popescu that's a reading on it, but i doubt there's depth there.
14:55 asciilifeform in that the true craftsmen stand to profit directly from their craftsmanship, while the idiots are doing it 'as a job'
14:56 nubbins` speaking of craftsmen, installing some nice new countertops and cabinets in the studio.
14:56 asciilifeform curiously, the uptake of btc among crap artists has, so far, been minimal. they are very 'tradition-bound.'
14:56 asciilifeform the few exceptions tend to get hyped up in the media organs
14:56 nubbins` http://imgur.com/bjLuDv9
14:56 ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer
14:57 nubbins` will be nice to finally have a place to lay things
14:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i suspect the premise that criminals are driven by a desire to acquire wealth is flawed here. crap artists aren't REALLY running a business.
14:57 mircea_popescu they're trying to entertain themselves.
14:57 nubbins` ooh, ^
14:57 asciilifeform the good ones are clearly motivated by the pleasure of the craft
14:57 mircea_popescu and the bad ones by boredom
14:57 asciilifeform e.g. bulgarian 'dark avenger' and his intellectual descendents
14:57 mircea_popescu in the end... kind of the same thing n'est pas.
14:58 asciilifeform the bad ones seem to be motivated by... need.
14:58 asciilifeform in the sense of a street beggar
14:58 mircea_popescu i wouldn't believe anything poor people say that has "need" in it.
14:58 nubbins` need mixed with lack of ambition, perhaps
14:58 mircea_popescu i've yet not heard a case that wasn't a lie.
14:58 asciilifeform in that very special sense of 'need'
14:58 mircea_popescu yawell.
14:58 asciilifeform 'ineedadrink, gimmme'
14:59 nubbins` "I NEEDS A PACK OF SMOKES"
14:59 nubbins` (verb conjugation is a very fluid thing here)
15:03 asciilifeform in June, the fellow who wrote a popular trojan, 'Caberp', was pwned, and his whole disk posted for public amusement
15:03 mircea_popescu what os ?
15:03 asciilifeform if i recall, he was making about 1k usd / mo.
15:04 asciilifeform winblows what else
15:04 mircea_popescu so wait.
15:04 asciilifeform it was the most valuable 'psychiatric' find in the field, because the disk was full of correspondence with customers and half-finished work
15:04 nubbins` 1k/mo?
15:04 mircea_popescu guy on windows pulling in 1k/mo is the nikki minj of viruses ?
15:04 nubbins` that's like
15:04 nubbins` below the poverty line
15:05 asciilifeform remember: 'famous spy'
15:05 mircea_popescu this is almost as much lol as the first time i got actual data as to what entertainers actually earn.
15:05 asciilifeform 'most famous spy' != 'best spy'
15:05 mircea_popescu dude they be rappaz. dey come take yo woman an' ride.
15:05 nubbins` mircea_popescu: let me guess, not enough to sustain their lavish lifestyles? ;p
15:05 mircea_popescu i read all about it
15:06 mircea_popescu nubbins` what lavish lifestyles.
15:06 asciilifeform there are mining nets 1mil+ strong.
15:06 nubbins` you know, like renting out sports cars for video shoots.
15:06 nubbins` or buying everyone's drinks at "the club"
15:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the fact that there are commecrial fleets worth >1bn does not necessarily mean any one ceo is living in better conditions than your average gulag campmaster.
15:06 mircea_popescu you ever seen a star buy everyone drinks ?!
15:06 nubbins` no D:
15:06 pankkake http://www.osnews.com/story/27519/_OpenBSD_will_shut_down_if_we_do_not_have_the_funding_ (they accept btc donations)
15:06 ozbot "OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding"
15:07 mircea_popescu yay.
15:07 nubbins` was surprised to learn de Raadt was canadian
15:07 pankkake oh? I forgot
15:07 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: why yay ?
15:07 nubbins` maybe the only calgarian who doesn't work in the service, oil, or cattle industries
15:08 nubbins` dated a girl years ago whose grandfather was an oil guy. he couldn't even keep track of all the places he owned land.
15:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it was my sort-of clever retort to nubbins
15:09 pankkake openbsd = grumpy paranoid old guys so I thought it would fit in here
15:09 mircea_popescu not my fault people spam the chan with stuff one could even claim is relevant.
15:09 nubbins` the fault is mine on that point
15:09 mircea_popescu pankkake how much do they need anyway ?
15:09 asciilifeform ~20k, says
15:09 nubbins` ^
15:10 asciilifeform (usd)
15:10 nubbins` less than 24btc!
15:10 jurov they should make openssh issue spammy donation pledges every now and then. problem solved
15:11 pankkake maybe people don't know that funds openssh
15:11 pankkake and other nice things
15:11 mircea_popescu donate via bitpay. heh.
15:11 mircea_popescu well, does anyone know any of the devs ?
15:11 punkman don't they need most of the money to keep testing builds on a bunch of old hardware?
15:11 pankkake converted to filthy CAD
15:11 nubbins` the new polymer bills can be washed ;p
15:12 pankkake basically to fund theo's "datacenter"
15:12 asciilifeform 'openbsd, running on dead squirrel in shoebox since 19xx...'
15:13 pankkake http://www.openbsd.org/images/rack2009.jpg close
15:13 asciilifeform (obligatory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBLr4wbiR6E)
15:13 punkman seems like a lot for just electricity, what the fuck does he have stashed in there
15:13 pankkake old hw is power hungry
15:14 asciilifeform looks like a microvax in there (mid-right)
15:14 nubbins` probably using incandescent bulbs too, the bastards
15:14 mircea_popescu i use incandescents.
15:15 nubbins` well, CFLs are full of mercury and don't work in dimmers
15:15 asciilifeform their ventilation probably eats more kW/hr. than these machines.
15:15 nubbins` too bad they'll soon be -- no joke -- ILLEGAL here
15:16 nubbins` you occasionally see people at the hardware store with a shopping cart full of incandescent bulbs
15:16 asciilifeform nubbins`: there are persistent rumours of people buying crates of classical lights to speculate in, when the black market comes.
15:16 nubbins` well, the issue i have is that my home requires heating nine months out of the goddamn year.
15:16 mircea_popescu check me out in #openbsd lol
15:17 mircea_popescu so far we're at **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 19 22:13:01 2014
15:17 mircea_popescu Jan 19 22:13:01 *Now talking on #openbsd
15:17 mircea_popescu Jan 19 22:14:04 <mircea_popescu>soo, who has the authority to make a deal so I can cover the 20k shortfall ?
15:17 mircea_popescu Jan 19 22:16:24 <woopstar>mircea_popescu: you need to contact Theo
15:17 mircea_popescu Jan 19 22:16:32 <mircea_popescu>how would i go about that ?
15:18 nubbins` now, if i'm running electric heat in my home 9 months out of 12
15:18 nubbins` i should be allowed to use the most inefficient bulbs possible
15:19 nubbins` doubly so if i've got an oil furnace.
15:19 pankkake environmentalists don't understand that
15:19 pankkake they probably want to ban inefficient heaters
15:19 asciilifeform what, one might wonder, is an inefficient electric heater?
15:19 pankkake exactly
15:20 asciilifeform one that radiates too much in RF?
15:20 nubbins` i wonder do they understand that domestically-produced incandescents shipped in corrugated cardboard makes more sense than chinese CFLs in plastic clamshells shipped across an ocean?
15:20 nubbins` asciilifeform: a light bulb is an inefficient electric heater ;)
15:20 kakobrekla its efficient heater
15:20 asciilifeform the CFL thing is cynical bastards knowing exactly what they're doing, rather than mere ineptitude.
15:20 kakobrekla inefficient light source.
15:21 kakobrekla im going led.
15:21 nubbins` nah man, it wastes what, 10% energy producing light?
15:21 nubbins` maybe the worst heater
15:21 pankkake usually regulations like that come with requirements that allow only one manufacturer
15:21 pankkake so it might not be chinese, it will be worse; overpriced crap
15:21 kakobrekla its efficient heater compared to inefiicient light source
15:22 nubbins` well i tell you, i busted three CFLs in my bedroom before realizing that they're not meant for dimmers.
15:22 kakobrekla lol
15:22 nubbins` almost started tearing out the wiring, decided to check the box
15:22 nubbins` "...oh"
15:22 pankkake some LEDs are good, but you have to hunt…
15:23 kakobrekla mhm
15:23 nubbins` i'll probably start moving to LED when the current bulbs start going
15:23 asciilifeform i still have yet to see an led lamp that will evenly light a room without being the size of a small tv set.
15:24 nubbins` well that's the other problem, the type of light
15:24 nubbins` generally i find CFLs to be mercilessly cold
15:24 nubbins` much too blue
15:24 Diablo-D3 you can get warm cfls
15:24 Diablo-D3 problem is
15:24 Diablo-D3 cfl cri is too low
15:25 asciilifeform white led is based on the same principle as the classic fluorescent tube ('phosphour', but with IR led instead of gas plasma for the excitation)
15:25 asciilifeform so in principle you can get any colour you like
15:25 asciilifeform just need the right rare earths
15:25 mircea_popescu curious if anyting comes of this.
15:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform> the CFL thing is cynical bastards knowing exactly what they're doing, rather than mere ineptitude. << verily.
15:26 mircea_popescu "currently coal burning means x mercury released in atmosphere per hour. we take that x and split it : 40% goes to atmosphere, 60% goes to your own house. but we're only gonna talk ofg the 40%"
15:27 asciilifeform the luminosity/watt claims (transparently bogus, visit an electronics store) and the lifespan claims (chinese driver electronics in the lamp base)...
15:28 pankkake I've had a lot of incandescents burn in less than 6 months. but it might have been the container's fault, too much heat
15:28 mircea_popescu incidentally, the idea with led lighting is to go for spots i think
15:28 asciilifeform on the other end of the spectrum... http://www.centennialbulb.org/
15:28 asciilifeform ('underclocked' edison bulb)
15:28 pankkake spots are great - I have really good lightning after proper orienting
15:29 pankkake yeah, but underclocking is cheating
15:29 asciilifeform anyone remember the bulbs they used to have in street lamps? the size of a man's head?
15:29 asciilifeform betcha those would last decades at 100W
15:30 asciilifeform the claims of 'bulb conspiracy' are not physically accurate, though
15:30 asciilifeform as late as 40 yrs. ago, there was no way to economically regulate the current flowing through the filament
15:30 asciilifeform except using the filament's own resistance
15:30 asciilifeform (or that of other bulbs in series)
15:31 asciilifeform but now you can use PWM, silicon rectifier.
15:31 asciilifeform as in the dimmers commonly sold. (hence why they often buzz slightly.)
15:33 mircea_popescu stil lin use here.
15:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the mega-incandescents?
15:34 mircea_popescu yeah.
15:34 mircea_popescu some haven't burned out/been broken in the more rural parts
15:34 asciilifeform wonder if they're the same soviet caliber i saw!
15:34 mircea_popescu so never got replaced
15:34 Diablo-D3 is anyone buying primecoin?
15:34 asciilifeform 500W i think
15:35 asciilifeform funnily: in wash.dc, the late-19th c. light poles near the Capitol and Smithsonian (museaums) are sized for those mega-bulbs
15:35 mircea_popescu sounds aobut right
15:35 asciilifeform but have piddling little CFLs in them for some years
15:35 mircea_popescu (timisoara is teh first town in teh world to use electric lighting btw)
15:35 asciilifeform many with the jagged wrecks instead of full CFLs - vandals
15:36 asciilifeform comically small for the fixtures
15:36 asciilifeform 'hot dog in hallway'
15:36 jurov wait when they put LEDs in
15:37 asciilifeform no LEDs here, afaik
15:37 jurov well, over there in austria/germany they use linear fluorescents for streetlights
15:37 jurov such 1930s feel
15:38 asciilifeform they have those here too, at fuel stations
15:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00084584 = 14.4639 BTC [-]
15:41 nubbins` mostly sodium on the poles here
15:50 mircea_popescu ;;tslb
15:50 gribble Time since last block: 27 minutes and 42 seconds
15:51 mircea_popescu there's 3-4 blocks within ten minutes, then half hour off, then again
15:51 mircea_popescu da fuck is this bs.
15:53 asciilifeform new transformer at ft. meade, but fuse isn't to spec. blows every day.
15:53 asciilifeform or: the mexicans left a lunch box in the cooling tower. so, jams.
15:55 mircea_popescu i stil lcan't get over that quora byline
15:55 mircea_popescu "the best source for knowledge", seriously ?!
15:56 asciilifeform at least it isn't 'Google Knol'
15:57 mircea_popescu just how ragingly uncultivated does one to be to be these days
15:57 asciilifeform (ami the only one who automatically thought 'grassy knoll')
15:57 mircea_popescu hehe no
15:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00084584 = 7.6126 BTC [-]
15:59 mircea_popescu and again 3 blocks past 10 minutes
15:59 mircea_popescu there's something very fucking weird at work here.
16:00 pankkake yeah, statistics are weird
16:00 mircea_popescu meanwhile, cheerleader auditions
16:00 mircea_popescu http://noescapepublicnudity.tumblr.com/image/54594998334
16:00 ozbot Castle von Dorkenstein: No Escape Public Nudity: Photo
16:02 pankkake tattoos are probably not allowed for cheearleaders
16:03 mircea_popescu why so square ?!
16:13 nubbins` i think the shits came from that google knol over there
16:14 nubbins` pankkake, then there would be no cheerleaders
16:27 mircea_popescu he's never seen a tramp stamp :D
16:40 punkman http://voices.yahoo.com/bitcoin-20-explained-colored-coins-vs-mastercoin-vs-12475857.html
16:40 ozbot Bitcoin 2.0 Explained: Colored Coins Vs Mastercoin Vs Open Transactions Vs Protoshares - Yahoo Voice
16:41 punkman "Perhaps you will even be able to trade a protoshares-backed currency on top of Mastercoin for BitMastercoins one day."
16:41 pankkake so many CEOs
16:41 kakobrekla inception was shit.
16:44 punkman Open Transactions seems to do some useful things, but they want to become a startup now
16:47 Duffer1 startup of what?
16:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.00294 = 0.197 BTC [+]
17:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00084583 = 13.1527 BTC [-] {2}
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17:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 102 @ 0.00294 = 0.2999 BTC [+]
17:39 mircea_popescu <pankkake> so many CEOs <<
17:39 mircea_popescu ceo is quckly becoming the new vp
17:39 mircea_popescu im curious what;s coming up next.
17:40 assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 200 @ 0.00175 = 0.35 BTC [-]
17:40 jurov supreme excutive officer
17:40 mircea_popescu megadirettore magistrale
17:41 pankkake that shit is not really bitcoin specific, i've seen many open source projects get press coverage, even get funding (Diaspora*), when no one on board was able to really do the job
17:41 mircea_popescu (duca-conte piermatteo barambanni)
17:42 jurov haaaaa someone scalping x.eur
17:47 jurov oh, and nobody charts it? gotta fix that
17:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13177 @ 0.00084767 = 11.1697 BTC [+]
18:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3880 @ 0.00084767 = 3.289 BTC [+]
18:12 KRS1 CEO..now I've got to start planning for my new position as chairman
18:13 KRS1 I sit in a chair every day. I know everything there is to know about it.
18:16 jurov chairperson..you gotta be gender-politically correct
18:19 megadirettore_ma damn.
18:28 jurov http://craphound.com/images/R_U_cyberpunk.jpg haha
18:31 KRS1 hey i have a friend like that
18:34 pankkake that's how I imagine most of you guys
18:44 KRS- for the record I'm nothing like that..not a redneck but drive a newer model diesel 4x4 truck and have a fast car for drag racing, but haven't messed with it in a while..go to bars with friends and hang out when i can.
18:44 lippoper I've met KRS- IRL and I can vouch for what he said
18:44 KRS- i barely know how to use my droid phone lol
18:45 KRS- hey whats up lipopopop
18:47 mircea_popescu is that slash
18:50 lippoper whazzah
18:50 lippoper gimme some
18:50 lippoper .bait
18:50 KRS- .bait
18:50 ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/b9ddf895b88fe3ef67ae08bcd95b91b4/tumblr_mupz36Y97d1rt5ktoo1_500.jpg
18:50 KRS- there
18:50 jurov not slash, i'm pegging it as pua cooperation
18:51 lippoper wow nice
18:53 KRS- Isn't that too much weight for a cyber punk's waif body to handle
18:53 mircea_popescu lol pua coop
18:55 lippoper flail
18:55 lippoper why heavy
18:55 lippoper much fail
18:55 lippoper wow
18:56 lippoper .bait
18:56 ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/6442eb760dda4318497fd502aa08fd67/tumblr_muzd7k3m9b1qk2vvro1_500.jpg
18:56 lippoper wow
18:57 lippoper middlecoin
18:57 lippoper to tha moon
19:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00537 = 0.1074 BTC [+]
19:01 KRS- .bait
19:01 ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/581cfaf60ec8e0e1dd7d4e5bd0df4c04/tumblr_mtj9wphJI41qaoc0yo1_1280.jpg
19:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15326 @ 0.00084605 = 12.9666 BTC [-] {2}
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19:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.04999939 = 1 BTC [+] {3}
19:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04999987 = 0.2 BTC [+] {2}
19:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00084891 = 12.7337 BTC [+] {2}
19:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 141 @ 0.00084793 = 0.1196 BTC [+] {3}
19:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 91 @ 0.0053798 = 0.4896 BTC [+]
19:29 KRS- to the .bait
19:29 KRS- .bait
19:29 ozbot http://31.media.tumblr.com/abdb2e2ad5a6f0705ac11961908de692/tumblr_mf6giw2MjJ1rb4wcjo1_500.jpg
19:29 KRS- ;;lasers
19:29 gribble ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
19:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 136 @ 0.00538 = 0.7317 BTC [+] {2}
19:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00084533 = 10.3976 BTC [-]
19:48 nubbins` so what's everyone investing in these days?
19:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00084749 = 15.5938 BTC [+] {2}
19:53 Duffer1 attorneys
19:56 Duffer1 i dunno, i haven't seen anything interest
19:56 Duffer1 nothing to put in even if i did
19:56 Duffer1 s.nsa looks like a great project though
19:56 Duffer1 but that's pretty much it
19:58 nubbins` nod
19:58 benkay bitcoin.
19:58 nubbins` nod ;D
19:58 benkay my emacs configuration.
19:58 nubbins` ah, we're including time investments?
20:01 benkay time, money, money, time.
20:01 benkay do we differentiate?
20:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.00084869 = 2.4188 BTC [+]
20:06 pankkake should have IPOed my dotfiles, they're glorious
20:06 pankkake (IPO is now a verb)
20:07 jurov really, how much would you pay for 1 hour of my time next month?
20:07 jurov *delivered next month
20:08 nubbins` 50 cents
20:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00084869 = 11.033 BTC [+]
20:11 jurov 50bitcents? any other proposal?
20:11 pizzaman1337 2 satoshi
20:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00084519 = 8.1138 BTC [-] {2}
20:13 jurov nice
20:14 nubbins` oh, we're going down? 50 millisatoshi
20:15 KRS- can we spend quality time together? ;)
20:15 pizzaman1337 I can't go any lower than that
20:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55522046 BTC [-]
20:26 mircea_popescu im investing in young people.
20:26 KRS- You probably want to go to indonesia for that.
20:26 KRS- I hear there is quite a selection.
20:28 benkay "people"?
20:28 benkay more like women, from what i've gathered
20:31 BingoBoingo Oh mircea_popescu you're trying to cover the OpenBSD shortfall? I imagine quite the Trilema post if Theo turns it down or fails to collect it for some reason.
20:33 KRS- http://imgur.com/ZOvtB4o
20:33 ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer
20:33 BingoBoingo Hopefully he does indeed collect and those microvaxen in his closet keep running.
20:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1964 @ 0.00082552 = 1.6213 BTC [-] {7}
20:36 nubbins` perverts, he's building libraries
20:36 nubbins` YOUNG PEOPLE ARE THE FUTURE
20:37 nubbins` so is bsd, tho ;(
20:37 BingoBoingo Well, what else are the Vaxen going to eat?
20:39 BingoBoingo From #openbsd: <neoncortex> tobiasu: i use keybind for a lot of things, even to lauch another sndiod and kill then [ to use my usb headphones without have to execute commands on terminal ]
20:39 BingoBoingo <tobiasu> heh, usb headphones
20:39 BingoBoingo <tobiasu> it still amazes me how designers thought that was good idea
20:40 nubbins` ^
20:40 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo nah, no post.
20:40 BingoBoingo I think I like how these people think.
20:41 mircea_popescu benkay women are people too!
20:41 BingoBoingo Ah mircea_popescu
20:41 benkay har u dodging doge u
20:42 nubbins` dogecoin ruined doge for me
20:42 nubbins` :(
20:42 RealEstate hi
20:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00084852 = 4.6669 BTC [+]
20:43 RealEstate I'm new here
20:43 mircea_popescu welcome.
20:44 benkay what brings you in, RealEstate?
20:45 benkay your name alone suggests that you and the20year might be best buds
20:46 benkay hey mircea_popescu subject of the long crappy slide into communism, where are all the cool people living now?
20:47 mircea_popescu no particular place, sorta floating about.
20:47 pizzaman1337 so what kind of young people investing are you up to, mp?
20:48 mircea_popescu little of this, little of that... sitting here talking to you...
20:48 mircea_popescu (you know how much time i spend in this appartment ?)
20:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5794 BTC [+]
20:50 benkay hah
20:50 benkay -assets is mircea_popescu's ycombinator
20:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.57954241 = 2.3182 BTC [+] {2}
20:50 mircea_popescu it is tho.
20:50 benkay i'm serious too!
20:51 benkay it was the chuckle inspired by recognizing a pattern in an unexpected place. now that i've seen it i can't ever unsee it though.
20:52 benkay but man -assets kicks yc ass due to public nature of conversation
20:52 Duffer1 irc and usenet, still the best
20:54 mircea_popescu and it pleases me to announce openbsd got itself sponsored.
20:54 nubbins` right on!
20:54 BingoBoingo Nice.
20:54 nubbins` not just a patron of the arts anymore ;p
20:54 BingoBoingo The Vaxen continue to Roam
20:54 pankkake \o/
20:54 mircea_popescu remarkably on the ball folks.
20:55 BingoBoingo I wonder if this will make Slashdot, Romanian Billionaire saves OpenBSD for the Lulz
20:56 mircea_popescu does have a ring to it.
20:57 nubbins` BingoBoingo, you've got a blog and you've got a title, all you're missing is a post
20:57 nubbins` anyone can submit stories to /.
20:57 mircea_popescu interesting how news breaks here way before all teh other journos get a whiff of it.
20:57 pankkake they always rejected my subs
20:58 pankkake well slashdot is notably late. articles are for trolling
20:58 BingoBoingo Doing the write up
20:58 nubbins` please submit with that title
21:00 RealEstate any latest news i should know about
21:00 nubbins` just what you're reading about now
21:01 RealEstate benkay just thought i'd see what this place was about
21:01 BingoBoingo RealEstate: This really is the newest news. Everywhere else just feeds you the Olds
21:02 RealEstate great stuff
21:02 benkay BingoBoingo: do you have logs for the openbsd sponsorship discussion?
21:02 benkay slash mircea_popescu
21:02 nubbins` tbf the olds are less stressful
21:02 benkay also may i please read aforementioned logs :)
21:03 mircea_popescu um notrly ? i just asked how to get in touch with teh ppl, someone gave me an email
21:03 BingoBoingo benkay: Just what's in this chan it seems
21:03 benkay ah well
21:03 mircea_popescu benkay http://dpaste.com/1560438/
21:04 mircea_popescu there.
21:05 benkay thanks
21:05 benkay what was the motivation? pr?
21:08 punkman Most Prominent Philanthropist
21:08 punkman like that awesome business card
21:08 nubbins` osx borrows a firewall from openbsd
21:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 164 @ 0.00539386 = 0.8846 BTC [+] {4}
21:09 BingoBoingo I'm guessing the motivation was that OpenBSD development is useful, and the world would be worse, or at least less interesting without it.
21:11 benkay mircea_popescu: fighting the slide into computational hell with epic piles of cash surgically deployed
21:11 pankkake they definitely offer something unique
21:11 BingoBoingo Then the Mac SE/30 worked it was the only reasonable option other than A/UX
21:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00294 = 0.147 BTC [+]
21:14 benkay dang BingoBoingo this post is taking you forever
21:15 BingoBoingo benkay: A distraction emerged.
21:15 punkman I wanna see the comments when it hits HN
21:15 benkay a wild distraction appeaers!
21:16 RealEstate where is the best place to advertise a bitcoin business?
21:17 mircea_popescu that'd likely depend on the business
21:23 RealEstate its a real estate site that will only have estates available to buy for bitcoin
21:24 benkay bitbet's not an entirely bad venue, RealEstate
21:24 benkay http://bitbet.us
21:24 ozbot BitBet
21:24 RealEstate great thank you will have a look
21:26 benkay BingoBoingo: going to get that out tonight or shall I scoop you?
21:26 benkay ;)
21:26 BingoBoingo benkay: It's up
21:27 BingoBoingo benkay: I just regret your blog doesn't seem to as of yet have comments enabled.
21:27 BingoBoingo http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/01/19/romanian-billionaire-saves-openbsd/
21:27 ozbot Romanian Billionaire Saves OpenBSD | Bingo Blog
21:27 benkay i have yet to find a commenting implementation i find acceptable
21:27 benkay please feel free to email comments in - i'll update entries as appropriate.
21:28 benkay i think i'll refrain from imposing disqus on you
21:28 BingoBoingo Disqus is the worst.
21:28 BingoBoingo Classic style wordpress comments aren't bad.
21:28 benkay shit sandwich.
21:29 BingoBoingo Dunno how you could do something like that in o-blog though
21:30 benkay who knows.
21:30 benkay email is a likely approach.
21:31 benkay actually appending to entry files or something similarly dum-dum
21:33 BingoBoingo Well, here's the slashdot submission http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3276781
21:34 benkay .pl
21:34 benkay i lol'd
21:34 BingoBoingo Yeah
21:35 BingoBoingo At least they don't hide the ugly
21:36 nubbins` upvoted, although there are too many Recentlys
21:37 mircea_popescu another good title, of course, would have been "openbsd gets 2/3 of a mpex account"
21:37 BingoBoingo Lol
21:37 mircea_popescu hehe
21:37 BingoBoingo nubbins`: Well I dunno much of how this part of Slashdot works.
21:37 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo he means your copy says "recently" twice
21:38 nubbins` ^
21:38 BingoBoingo AH
21:38 pankkake I wonder how billionnaires will be called in the bitcoin world, when fiat is irrelevant. pizzanaires ?
21:38 pankkake having recently twice is perfect, any good slashdot submission has to be ostensibly not proofread
21:38 BingoBoingo That's just poor style. The Slashdot editors routinely do worse.
21:39 mircea_popescu pizzaiolo
21:39 pizzaman1337 pizza!
21:39 nubbins` pizzarazzi, pizzagentsia, etc
21:39 mircea_popescu pizceo
21:40 nubbins` pizzafaces
21:40 nubbins` ;(
21:40 KRS- hah
21:40 KRS- nubbins` you are such a nubbins
21:47 lippoper .bait
21:47 ozbot http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8rvn4um1P1rdlgbgo1_1280.jpg
21:47 lippoper nubbins?
21:47 lippoper i can almost see her nubbins
21:48 lippoper the $7 million dollar pizza
21:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22750 @ 0.00084852 = 19.3038 BTC [+]
21:51 pankkake nice bait
21:56 lewicki huge buy on mtgox
22:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9732 @ 0.00084858 = 8.2584 BTC [+] {2}
22:08 BingoBoingo Huh, merely submitting a story to slashdot brings a roughly three metric fucktons more traffic than doing the same on Reddit
22:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 48 @ 0.0041 = 0.1968 BTC [+]
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22:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56010201 BTC [-]
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22:56 BingoBoingo I should have stocked up on these things back in 1999 when I had the chance http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Macintosh-SE-30-Model-M5119-Computer-/321097840883?pt=US_Vintage_Computers_Mainframes&hash=item4ac2ec38f3
22:58 kakobrekla dunno how reliable those are.
23:00 BingoBoingo kakobrekla: I like them, but I have a habit of cooking them.
23:01 BingoBoingo Easy machines to wrap in a faraday cage though and plug into the ground out in the garden.
23:01 kakobrekla in the garden?
23:02 BingoBoingo Well, where do you ground your cages?
23:02 kakobrekla hm, wall socket should work?
23:03 BingoBoingo Maybe?
23:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 200 @ 0.00405 = 0.81 BTC [-]
23:05 BingoBoingo Handful of window screen under the asparagus mound doesn't seem very noisy though as long as the screen gets changed every year.
23:07 nubbins` i'm not a fan of hand-egg
23:08 BingoBoingo nubbins`: Handegg is something I'm indefferent to other than as a venture where pricing risk can either be lucrative or damning
23:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9228 @ 0.00084938 = 7.8381 BTC [+] {2}
23:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04999988 = 0.25 BTC [+]
23:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.0008488 = 7.7241 BTC [-]
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23:38 BingoBoingo .d
23:38 ozbot 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 808 blocks | Estimated Change: 18.9986% in 4d 12h 55m 53s
23:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21940 @ 0.00084965 = 18.6413 BTC [+] {2}
23:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.0000931 = 0.4655 BTC [-] {2}
23:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00085065 = 9.0169 BTC [+] {2}
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