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01:14 lobbes Added sha1 checksum values for the .zips to show in archive search results >> http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view.php?searchterm=example&sortby=
01:14 lobbes Note that this refers to the sha1sum of the -.zip- only and not to the -contents- (i.e. should only be used to verify integrity of .zips recieved via the eventual .zip delivery process)
01:18 mircea_popescu !!up xenmen_
01:18 deedbot xenmen_ voiced for 30 minutes.
01:19 xenmen_ thanks mircea_popescu, just reading up on your site
01:19 mircea_popescu aha ?
01:19 xenmen_ I come by ~once a year, an annual tradition, to reread
01:20 mircea_popescu how long does it take you to catch up ?
01:21 xenmen_ typically a weekend
01:22 mircea_popescu seems an incredible feat.
01:22 xenmen_ (The catch-up, that is; rereading older material I spread over a few weeks to a month)
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01:41 * ben_vulpes misread as xemen
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06:17 shinohai !~later tell mats can report that https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/MIPS/ERLite-3 works flawless, no luck on openbsd
06:17 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
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07:51 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
07:51 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11115.25, vol: 10216.39574227 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 11241.0, vol: 26813.04006437 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 11111.0, vol: 4754.24450221 | Volume-weighted last average: 11195.4615616
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08:35 shinohai ^111111.11!'
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09:22 shinohai asciilifeform: i mirrored your dictionary, and mircea_popescu's wordlist here: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/library/Roman-Englez/
09:24 asciilifeform shinohai: first file eggogs
09:24 shinohai fixed, saw eggog xD
09:25 asciilifeform nao worx
09:25 asciilifeform it has bitrot in it tho
09:25 asciilifeform i see strange chars
09:26 shinohai yup and also doesn't use --no-emit-version
09:26 asciilifeform acăța , acușica
09:26 shinohai lol
09:26 shinohai (tm)
09:27 shinohai but in mircea_popescu's original, I also see strange things
09:27 shinohai http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/dicelist-romanian.txt
09:28 asciilifeform is it in some ancient pre-uniturd coding, analogous to ru koi8 ?
09:28 asciilifeform hard to picture how else it could end up like this.
09:30 spyked hm. it seems that the browser (firefox on my side) sets default encoding to "western" for plain txt files; setting it to unicode makes it look normal
09:32 shinohai lol
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09:52 asciilifeform hmm in different browser, worx
10:00 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2186&cpage=1#comment-19118 << in other noose.
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10:46 ave1 I see you are already at ch9, I only just finished with ch1: http://ave1.org/2018/on-ffa-chapter-1/.
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11:01 asciilifeform thinking of switching to a 2week interval; these are not coming out quite the way i want'em
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11:06 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2186&cpage=1#comment-19121 << in other noose.
11:09 asciilifeform shinohai: i have added a link to your mirror in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2211 , ty
11:10 ave1 I'm enjoying the series a lot! (I've now just read ch2 and starting to ingest it...)
11:10 asciilifeform ave1: were you able to build ?
11:14 ave1 asciilifeform, yes! also on gnat for musl...
11:14 asciilifeform ooh yeah i recall
11:14 * asciilifeform still has not replicated this marvel
11:18 ave1 In the end it took only a small set of changes, but finding these was no fun...
11:18 ave1 Ofcourse, I did not want to dive deep into the code of gcc and gnat
11:18 asciilifeform we're doomed to fork gnat eventually
11:19 asciilifeform if only because of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1743984 .
11:19 a111 Logged on 2017-11-29 01:38 asciilifeform yet again, for 3rd time in 2 yrs, attempted and failed to build a 'zero foot print runtime' for gnat -- to abolish the 3MB of liquishit it shits into every executable.
11:19 ave1 Which makes the process a stupid trying / building / running / failing exercise.
11:21 asciilifeform ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1777969 << can i persuade you to put this link in a comment to ch1 ?
11:21 a111 Logged on 2018-01-29 15:46 ave1: I see you are already at ch9, I only just finished with ch1: http://ave1.org/2018/on-ffa-chapter-1/.
11:21 asciilifeform for other readers.
11:24 asciilifeform ave1: 'Word is the smallest unit used for the arithmetic in FFA' is not strictly true, there is a HalfWord ( see ch9 )
11:24 asciilifeform but i suppose you'll get to it at own pace.
11:25 asciilifeform ( not to mention WBool, present in ch1, is constrained to arithmetize on 1bit. but indeed Word is smallest physical unit used, there is no byte-addressing in ffa )
11:26 asciilifeform 'why not use the pragma Provide_Shift_Operators?' << it doesn't work on gnat2016, try it
11:27 asciilifeform "Do we need Word_Index or Indices?8". << yes, for proof of nonoverflow. and in general wherever i saw it possible to constrain a type, i constrained it. and will continue doing so.
11:28 asciilifeform 'Look at the summation, the sum is (A+B) + Carry, but the next carry is determined by just A, B and the Sum. Are we lucky this is correct?' << work it out on paper.
11:29 ave1 I did! it is more a question for other readers
11:30 asciilifeform btw ave1 your comment box dunwork
11:30 asciilifeform demands 'fill in name and email' even when i already did.
11:31 asciilifeform ave1: 'are we lucky this is correct' implies that item was written through the arse, and only 'works by accident', this is not so.
11:31 ave1 aha, I made the check for the email to a check for the website (needs to be 6 chars long)
11:31 ave1 I'll remove the website check, probable does not do much anyway
11:31 ave1 one moment...
11:34 asciilifeform lemme know when fixed
11:35 ave1 should be fixed
11:36 asciilifeform nope
11:36 asciilifeform 'required fields: name'
11:36 asciilifeform it's utterly broken
11:36 ave1 Will work on wording! It was meant as "Take very good care to check out this one"
11:36 asciilifeform I FILLED IN THE FIELDS
11:40 ave1 I see change did happen, but still failed the test, one sec...
11:40 ave1 I'm sorry for this
11:43 asciilifeform lemme know when it is possible to put a comment..
11:55 asciilifeform ave1: the comment itself : http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/3z67x/?raw=true
11:57 ave1 asciilifeform: Comments should work now, I can also put this comment in if you like (name == asciilifeform?)
11:57 asciilifeform 1s
11:57 asciilifeform still broken !!
11:58 asciilifeform 'required fields: name'
11:58 asciilifeform pleez test it yourself ave1 ? then say 'fixed'
11:58 asciilifeform and no, do not put it in in my place.
11:58 asciilifeform fix the commentbox.
11:58 ave1 I did self eval... (did you reload?)
11:59 asciilifeform ok seems to work nao...
11:59 asciilifeform (queued)
11:59 asciilifeform or...
11:59 asciilifeform WHERE THE FUCK DID MY LINK GO
11:59 asciilifeform srsly this is nogood.
11:59 shinohai tah asciilifeform !
11:59 ave1 Was queued is now approved
11:59 asciilifeform 'TODAY'S LOG' IS A LINK
12:01 asciilifeform !!up xenmen
12:01 deedbot xenmen voiced for 30 minutes.
12:02 ave1 I do not get "TODAY'S LOG' IS A LINK" ...
12:02 asciilifeform ave1: please see the paste ?
12:02 asciilifeform ave1: html links do not work in your comment box ?
12:03 asciilifeform i do not understand why you would have both 'ban links' AND premoderation
12:06 ave1 Hmm, I'm using mp-wp and I cannot find a setting that is supposed to scrub links or allow them. I am looking into it...
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12:09 asciilifeform hey you're ahead of me, i never even got comments to work at all in my copy of mp-wp
12:10 * asciilifeform would like to see a complete wwwtron in ada. but does not have any spare arms presently for such a thing.
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12:11 asciilifeform and when i say 'complete' i mean zero-libraries, a la ffa. kernel calls for i/o, and that's it.
12:12 ave1 Meanwhile, I'll fix the links, also I found the problem will report a little later
12:14 asciilifeform ty ave1 , i'd definitely like to read the answer
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12:18 shinohai "Fitness app lights up staff @ mil bases" is best headline in feed today.
12:19 trinque kinda laughable notion that the location of .mil bases was secret
12:19 asciilifeform iirc there's a few in e.g. africa disguised as 'uh, nuffin at all here, move along'
12:20 asciilifeform and in various post-su lands
12:20 asciilifeform e.g. the torture palace in bucharest
12:20 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1777911 << not at the moment. when my stack's popped to ffa will try to do my homework on one of the g5s
12:20 a111 Logged on 2018-01-29 01:14 asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque do you have a working gnat on ppc (g5 or any other) ?
12:20 asciilifeform trinque: actually i was hoping to get a shell on one of your ppc
12:21 asciilifeform for own use
12:21 asciilifeform ( i could buy an old ppc , a la BingoBoingo , for fiddybux, but i'd like to go in direction of ~decreasing~ old iron collection, not growing... )
12:21 trinque ah, I could set that up later in the week. going to be traveling starting tomorrow.
12:21 asciilifeform no rush.
12:21 trinque want g4, g5, both?
12:21 asciilifeform dun make much diff
12:22 asciilifeform prolly g5 is more relevant to future
12:22 asciilifeform ( they give moar bang for the antiquarian buck , and more likely to be met with )
12:22 BingoBoingo !~later tell mircea_popescu a MUSL box is now ready to plug in and serve a form of Qntra... after a weekend of head banging
12:22 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
12:22 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: oh hey
12:23 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: is cage alive nao?
12:24 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Contract start date is Feb 1st, but I am about to poke them to check the wire and see if the racking can start.
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12:25 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what about ip addrs ?
12:26 BingoBoingo getting some from them and then resubmitting my application to LACNIC. Gotta utilize 64 ip addresses before LACNIC will allocate a /24
12:27 asciilifeform right, but what does that mean in practice ? rack with no permanent ips for month? two ?
12:27 asciilifeform considering the 'escape from dnsism' thing we have going, this actually matters
12:28 trinque and also, handled incorrectly that'll be a lot of boxen that are suddenly unreachable
12:28 asciilifeform aaha
12:35 shinohai http://archive.is/xiKPs no fuckgoats here
12:35 asciilifeform lol pseudobrainwallets never apparently fully died
12:47 asciilifeform !!up sageprobes
12:47 deedbot sageprobes voiced for 30 minutes.
12:47 asciilifeform sageprobes: hello ?
12:48 asciilifeform !!up laplinker
12:48 deedbot laplinker voiced for 30 minutes.
12:48 asciilifeform !!up laplinker
12:48 deedbot laplinker voiced for 30 minutes.
12:49 laplinker thank you :)
12:49 asciilifeform laplinker: what brings you here ?
12:49 laplinker oh, its a long story about AMD, HDT, and looking for sage probes online :)
12:50 asciilifeform laplinker: last i saw they were still available with 'gizmo1'
12:50 asciilifeform laplinker: see the faq, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1887
12:51 laplinker yeah, im not so sure i can afford something that costs: "send me a quote" :)
12:51 asciilifeform it costs <200bux, wat
12:51 asciilifeform oh ha, sold out.
12:51 laplinker well that was unexpected , i assumed it would be expensive ,i mean look at the intel xdp
12:51 asciilifeform 'We are sorry, but the item you are looking for is no longer available on our website.'
12:52 asciilifeform laplinker: funnily enough, i have an intel xdp, and several boxes with the jack, but never was able to get it running
12:52 asciilifeform it ain't gdb-compatible, for one thing. requires windows shitware which they sold for $10k's and never afaik leaked
12:52 laplinker you should really get one of those minnow boards and a lure board, works OOB with intel DAL at VLV2 config
12:52 asciilifeform for another thing, stock bios on intel boxes disables xdp jack
12:53 asciilifeform laplinker: i don't particularly need this for anything, when i have a working sageprobe and amd boxes
12:53 laplinker sometimes those xdp3 boxed pop up oon ebay, i found mine for about 50$ a few years ago, but now intel is debugging over usb3
12:53 asciilifeform i like how the sage requires literally NO os support on the driving end
12:53 asciilifeform ( it sits on lan and you can telnet to it )
12:54 asciilifeform laplinker: the problem is that the usb3 debug is NOT os-transparent
12:54 asciilifeform i.e. the 'victim' can disable the port
12:54 asciilifeform and at any rate change behaviour when it senses that debug is active
12:54 laplinker asciilifeform: hmm... good point
12:54 asciilifeform considering that half the point of hardware debugger is to debug heavily-antidebuggistic shitware...
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12:55 laplinker than for intel platforms, i recommend minnow, but you are already set with AMD so nm
12:55 asciilifeform iirc 'minnow' is a junk board, with nonexpandable ram, etc
12:56 asciilifeform and with random crashes.
12:57 asciilifeform didja ever get it to boot a standard winblows, for instance ?
12:58 laplinker oh, no, i would go that far... maybe win 10 IOT, there is also this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-CONFIDENTIAL-HASWELL-PROCESSOR-Reference-Validation-Board-w-i5-4570R-ES/273038318551?hash=item3f925a1bd7:g:vaQAAOSwU91aWc7R
12:58 asciilifeform laplinker: i have one almost exactly like it
12:59 asciilifeform ( never got xdp going, because, again, requires shitware )
12:59 laplinker asciilifeform: shitware is available for free, part of intel debugger studio (which is shitware) but the "intel DAL" is free
13:00 asciilifeform laplinker: iirc i tried the 'free' ver, it wanted a xdp3.
13:00 asciilifeform what i have iirc is a xdp1.
13:00 asciilifeform ( they were at one point sold off for pennies on the dollar )
13:00 laplinker i have it working with xdp3 and xhci debug
13:00 asciilifeform right, but where the fuck to get a xdp3.
13:00 laplinker the sw i mean
13:00 asciilifeform aa
13:01 asciilifeform 0 interest to me, because victim-detectable.
13:01 laplinker xdp3 is hard to find, same i guess as the sage probve
13:01 asciilifeform and dunwork on resetvector in bios.
13:01 asciilifeform sage probe is quite easy to find. 1) get in wot -- register with deedbot 2) make a bid in btc 3) one of the folx here will sell you a sageprobe.
13:03 laplinker hmm... i might actually do that, for the xdp3, they should be popping up more and more the more time passes and most folks use xhci, but thats just a guess
13:04 asciilifeform winintel doesn't want people debugging the drm spyshitware in the bios; or the winblowz kernel. ergo xhci.
13:04 asciilifeform but it so happens that these are the ONLY items i find interesting from hardware debug pov.
13:04 asciilifeform so i have 0 interest in xhci or any other inband debugging.
13:04 asciilifeform and will not comment on it, it is worthless garbage .
13:06 laplinker maybe you will find this interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMEJCLX2dtw
13:07 asciilifeform btw laplinker , recent ( 2013? 14? and after..? ) amd opterons suffer from similar problem : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552690
13:07 a111 Logged on 2016-10-04 15:36 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! pc engines 'apu2' (the board with the intel nics - vs. 'apu1', with realtek) , turns out, is crippled, hdt probe barfs with it, the cpu is reputed to have a drm fuse set.
13:07 asciilifeform i.e. the bios can (and by default does) perma-lock the hdt port after boot
13:07 asciilifeform ( on some boxes, shortly after reset, in fact )
13:09 asciilifeform laplinker: not especially interesting, no. i'm more interested in whatever fallbacks are in there ~separately~ from ME core. nsa fritzchip never come in singles.
13:10 asciilifeform given that the 'security pros' and academia circuses were permitted to make ME core a centerpiece of their self-aggrandizing idiocy, you can be quite certain that there is a fallback. multiple fallbacks.
13:10 asciilifeform at least in recent chips.
13:11 asciilifeform fwiw i will not buy any new intel product. haven't, for quite some time.
13:11 asciilifeform won't buy post-2011 amd either.
13:13 ben_vulpes in other FUD: http://www.tetherreport.com/
13:14 asciilifeform 'The author is concerned about backlash and has asked to remain pseudonymous by signing this report with a public hash of their name' << lol wai am i reading this
13:16 asciilifeform neither i nor anybody else with half a brain need these charts, or 'We are going to use the Kolmogorov-Smirnov test here...', or any of it, to know that 'tether' is a gox-style scam
13:16 asciilifeform and the folx who know, and do not care, are http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768490 , they are as culpable as the orig author.
13:16 a111 Logged on 2018-01-10 16:50 asciilifeform: to round off the crackpottery, 'superlinear' is when the chumps deposit their dough, but afterwards ~go home to get more~, to bring friends, etc.
13:16 asciilifeform and deserve to burn on same pyre.
13:19 asciilifeform !!up laplinker
13:19 deedbot laplinker voiced for 30 minutes.
13:19 asciilifeform laplinker: consider registering with deedbot ,
13:19 asciilifeform !!help
13:19 deedbot http://deedbot.org/help.html
13:20 asciilifeform ^ get a permanent name.
13:25 asciilifeform !~ticker --market all
13:25 jhvh1 asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11187.73, vol: 9921.39225920 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 11305.0, vol: 23589.32775105 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 11191.0, vol: 4556.23247694 | Volume-weighted last average: 11260.7912556
13:31 laplinker sry, had to go deal with some stuff unexpectedly. catching up
13:32 asciilifeform laplinker: register with deedbot; then you will be able to get ratings; and self-voice.
13:32 asciilifeform as it is, if you come back, no one knows who is speaking, 'shakespeare -- or another man by the same name', for instance.
13:35 laplinker Thanks, and thanks for all the help :)
13:36 asciilifeform laplinker: keep in mind also that there can be no question of e.g. selling probes, to somebody not in wot.
13:37 trinque j/i
13:37 trinque d'oh
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14:38 asciilifeform !~later tell mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-January/000285.html << i noticed, somehow only nao, that it has text 'This experimental vpatch requests blocks from all nodes that send a version message.' >> which has 0 relation to the patch...
14:38 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
14:38 asciilifeform !~later tell mod6 or hm nm brain spasm, strike that.
14:38 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
14:39 * asciilifeform read 'blocks requests' instead of 'requests blocks', prolly oughta sleep moar
14:39 asciilifeform ... and to stay away from heavy machinery, lol
14:39 mod6 :D
14:41 shinohai Meanwhile, backstage on a filthy mattress: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUusq0dWsAEglEq.jpg
14:41 mod6 Thanks for reading and trying to pick out if it said the wrong thing though. I appreciate that.
14:41 asciilifeform mod6: i was rereading , looking for old item, and went 'wtf', but entirely own brain spasm
14:41 mod6 ah. you have 'wtf' ptsd maybe
14:42 mod6 like i have 'scammer' ptsd
14:42 mod6 nothing wrong with that.
14:42 asciilifeform https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6309/31478297.28d/0_85def_d925370_XXXL.jpg << oblig.
14:45 asciilifeform err, https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6312/31478297.28d/0_85de0_78b4abc5_XXXL.jpg
14:45 asciilifeform or perhaps best of all, https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6213/31478297.28d/0_85dde_3ddcbe7e_XXXL.jpg .
14:49 mod6 "If you try to throw yourself upon the wheels of the great machine, you're gonna have a bad time, Komrade"
14:51 asciilifeform some of these have pretty great possibilities for double-meaning, e.g. https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9254/31478297.2d7/0_aca84_b516d1dd_XL.jpg >> 'mmm, hi-fi!11'
14:52 trinque this some kind of "without the workers we wouldn't have all this glorious fy00t0r" ?
14:52 asciilifeform trinque: naaah , orig -- equiv. of american osha plaquards
14:53 asciilifeform cautioning against various 'oopses'
14:53 trinque oh right, ear protection
14:53 asciilifeform https://fotki.yandex.ru/users/kolonist62/album/137117? << moar than you could ever want.
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15:18 asciilifeform https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/479589/31478297.35a/0_decf0_ff2e3f85_X5L.jpg << e.g. 'leave unexploded ordnance alone'
15:20 asciilifeform ( some of these will make sense only to orcs, e.g. https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/233577/31478297.35a/0_dece9_75feb48a_X5L.jpg << 'do not dry by the fire clothes you have washed in petrol' )
15:21 trinque ah speaking of missing fingers, where's that liveleak
15:21 trinque https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=529_1517109784 << of possible interest to BingoBoingo et al
15:31 mod6 lol. NO SMOKING!
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16:36 BingoBoingo trinque: Ty for the film. Hopefully I can see it sometime before March.
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