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00:58 mircea_popescu meanwhile in other chicks can code moments, "I earned my degree and license in cosmetology and had a horrible career as a hair dresser that I ended in 2015 due to social anxiety. I still love hair theory, and I even really enjoy working on people with whom I share a close relationship, but now I'm in pursuit of a new path."
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00:58 mircea_popescu HAIR THEORY!
00:59 mod6 lol
00:59 mircea_popescu this is going to be a standard retort now, "shut up so-and-so, i bet you don't even understand hair theory!"
01:10 mod6 for sure
01:10 mod6 haha
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09:42 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
09:42 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11631.15, vol: 11991.87728486 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 11816.0, vol: 36352.70760158 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 11626.6, vol: 7150.50715833 | Volume-weighted last average: 11751.6518849
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10:04 BingoBoingo !~later tell asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/6J4NY/?raw=true
10:04 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
10:05 BingoBoingo !~later tell trinque http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tuJma/?raw=true
10:05 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
10:05 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: got it
10:06 BingoBoingo Shipping addresses sent to those who requested it.
10:10 mircea_popescu ty bb
10:11 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> what's wrong with fedexing it! << Box that enters the country via FEDEX is going to certainly get hit with customs and the 22% IVA. Box that comes in suitcase is almost certainly going to get waved through as a personal effect. It's a math problem of whether to pay an import duty or plane ticket.
10:11 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: De nada
10:11 mircea_popescu this is a point.
10:11 mircea_popescu maybe we get alf to send you his pet for a week or so. petexchange programme.
10:12 BingoBoingo Es posible.
10:12 asciilifeform i suspect that the suitcase method only beats the 22% vig if 2-3 machines at a time are moved
10:13 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-28#1777538
10:13 a111 Logged on 2018-01-28 00:34 mircea_popescu: if i want 5 boxes, what do i do now ?
10:13 asciilifeform and even then has nonzero chance of 'hey this is the 3rd time this evil-looking gaijin is bringing 3 'personal' boxen'
10:14 mircea_popescu speaking of which : hey diana_coman it is upon you to produce a dreamspec eulora machine nao. hit me.
10:14 BingoBoingo Everyone I have talked to here is a fan of the suitcase method. "when we fly to Miami everyone comes out of the woodwork with a shopping list"
10:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform would be an one-time thing. but hey, you get to see uruguay. it's jenuinely not bad, can go for a week, take pet on trip to bsas for a few days... the city is lovely if one doesn't mean to stay
10:15 mircea_popescu ruins of modern civilisation, it looks quite like newyork downtown
10:15 asciilifeform from BingoBoingo's photos i picture a slightly shabbier buenos aires . but yes, i already have 3 crates that want to go
10:16 asciilifeform what's a couplea moar.
10:16 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform would be an one-time thing. but hey, you get to see uruguay. it's jenuinely not bad, can go for a week, take pet on trip to bsas for a few days... the city is lovely if one doesn't mean to stay << Rocha, Cabo Polonia, and Colonia are all highly recommended by the vacationers
10:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so 3 of yours |AND FIVE OF MINE, this should justify the trip
10:16 asciilifeform aha
10:16 mircea_popescu i pay teh airfare you pay the steaks&tampons, you got yourself a[nother] vacation eh.
10:16 asciilifeform supposing mircea_popescu is happy to risk a coupla btc of crate 'in 1 basket'
10:16 asciilifeform ( luggage does on occasion end up in /dev/null )
10:17 diana_coman mircea_popescu, will schedule dreaming eulora spec machine then
10:17 mircea_popescu hey, mp is willing to risk a btc on http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-11#1724167
10:17 a111 Logged on 2017-10-11 20:43 BHopkins: I think I did it right: 12taDFRdimNTHx1xoUkUZWj3nrE4js6LM6
10:17 mircea_popescu diana_coman ok but not too long. one night stand!
10:24 mircea_popescu in other news, to share with the group for comment : the idea is that even if we do mandate smallendian, it would still be proper to have a bitwise implementation, even were it slow, as a proper model of sorts. so it'd be both of these.
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10:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu dislikes the 'we know the constants' endianism, flip if machine's is opposite' traditional pill ?
10:25 asciilifeform ( i dislike, on aesthetic grounds, but that's possibly just me )
10:25 mircea_popescu i dislike supporting idiocy.
10:25 asciilifeform yer 'supporting idiocy' when you uncrate and plug in x86, lol
10:25 mircea_popescu and i dislike it.
10:25 asciilifeform hey why not see what bitwise algo costs
10:26 asciilifeform ffa for instance is result of 'why not see what constant-time costs'
10:26 mircea_popescu i expect it's getting put in firsts.
10:27 asciilifeform very often 'too expensive' turns out -- isn't
10:27 asciilifeform even on somewhat aged iron
10:27 asciilifeform if done correctly.
10:28 mircea_popescu yes well. hope springs internal.
10:29 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/hey-women-did-you-know-that-before-the-pantsuited-hilarity-gave-you-your-civil-rights-you-were-living-in-slavery/ << Trilema - Hey, women! Did you know that before the Pantsuited Hilarity gave you your civil rights, you were living in slavery ?
10:30 mircea_popescu emmylark ^ check you out slut!
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10:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform do you happen to have a link to the original "how much would a crate of tomatoes cost" thread ?
10:45 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what was the context there ?
10:46 asciilifeform was this the 'what if nothing could decay' thing ?
10:46 mircea_popescu that we were discussing current costs of items, and i said for today's crate of tomato to be compared to past's crate of tomato, it has to be biologically identical,
10:46 asciilifeform oh hm
10:46 mircea_popescu ie 0 ppm all of the various pollutants, there's no "tolerable" level.
10:47 asciilifeform i definitely recall this
10:47 asciilifeform lessee..
10:48 mircea_popescu me too, buyt apparently neither apples nor tomatoes not dioxin were mentioned, though i vaguely recall all three
10:48 mircea_popescu but this was like 5 years ago or something like that.
10:50 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-15#876019 << possibly prior to this mark
10:50 a111 Logged on 2014-10-15 19:56 asciilifeform: another observation re: qntra. recall mircea_popescu's point about synthetic tomatoes?
10:50 mircea_popescu definitely prior.
10:50 asciilifeform suggests that it was in trilema
10:50 asciilifeform ( www )
10:51 mircea_popescu i recall it as a conversation between us, you were saying something and that was my retort.
10:51 asciilifeform possibly was in comment thread.
10:51 mircea_popescu hm.
10:52 BingoBoingo The difference between the standard trade tomatoe here and en Estados Unidos is vast
10:52 mircea_popescu wait till you see what passes here for pineapple.
10:53 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-14#872853 , but definitely had moar detailed thread prior
10:53 a111 Logged on 2014-10-14 15:14 mircea_popescu: the entire "monsanto increases yields" fallacy is based on the fraudulent proposition that shit-tomatoes are = tomatoes.
10:53 mircea_popescu yeah i found that too, but yes, this is a reference not the thing
10:53 asciilifeform right
11:01 shinohai http://archive.is/vGXxK "We are destroying real bitcoin, hur durr"
11:02 mircea_popescu o noes
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11:25 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-28#1777688 << there's a handful of lords that are running ppc hardware, which is big endian. there's also sparc, that like ppc, is a somewhat saner cpu than x86, and that can be had for cheap for server etc. purposes
11:25 a111 Logged on 2018-01-28 15:24 mircea_popescu: in other news, to share with the group for comment : the idea is that even if we do mandate smallendian, it would still be proper to have a bitwise implementation, even were it slow, as a proper model of sorts. so it'd be both of these.
11:26 phf if we mandate smallendian, we simply cut out a bunch of cheap, reliable hardware
11:26 asciilifeform phf: phunphakt : ppc is one of the two currently-produced archs ( the other being arm ) that doesn't have constant-time MUL .
11:27 asciilifeform though to be fair i have not tested sparc , so possibly there is a third...
11:28 * asciilifeform still writing ch9, which is actually about this.
11:29 asciilifeform fwiw ffa is endian-insensitive .
11:32 mircea_popescu phf i am aware. do you actually want to make this an objection ?
11:39 * trinque has a 4-core g5 xserve right here he was planning to ship to bbisp
11:40 asciilifeform and oh forfuckssake, apparently asciilifeform cannot change any of the '2017' to '2018' in ffa , because :
11:40 asciilifeform in raw diff ,
11:40 asciilifeform --- (C) 2017 Stanislav Datskovskiy ( www.loper-os.org ) --
11:40 asciilifeform +-- (C) 2018 Stanislav Datskovskiy ( www.loper-os.org ) --
11:40 asciilifeform but this becomes , in vdiff,
11:40 trinque hasn't much to do with the endian, more to do with "amount of shit bolted to side" and "recent enough to do actual work upon"
11:40 asciilifeform --- (C) false
11:40 asciilifeform +-- (C) 2018 Stanislav Datskovskiy ( www.loper-os.org ) --
11:40 asciilifeform and worse, i can't even readily think of a simple pill against this inbandism.
11:42 mircea_popescu well, the new vdiff
11:42 asciilifeform not with any of the currently published vdiffs
11:43 mircea_popescu i didn't know phf published anyuthing yet ?
11:43 phf he's saying he can't fix it with any of the published vdiff's since i haven't published anything yet
11:43 mircea_popescu which is true and uninteresting!
11:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform do a "cosmetics" at the end of the story, by then oyu'll have a proper vdiff
11:44 asciilifeform alternatively,
11:45 asciilifeform #!/bin/sh
11:45 asciilifeform diff -uNr $1 $2 | awk 'm = /^(--- a|\+\+\+)/{cmd="sha512sum \"" $2 "\" 2>/dev/null ";s=cmd| getline x; if (s) { split(x, a, " "); o = a[1]; } else {o = "false";} close(cmd); print $1 " " $2 " " o} !m { print $0 }'
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11:45 mircea_popescu cosmetics patch at end!
11:47 mircea_popescu !!key emmylark
11:47 deedbot http://wot.deedbot.org/3BC472963B76AEE0448C19F414DEC3397D761EA4.asc
11:48 mircea_popescu http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/k6b3G/?raw=true
11:49 phf mircea_popescu: our current strategy with architecture support has been "it works on my machine, but if you want it to work on your machine submit a vpatch", and it's been pretty consistently applied (e.g. my openbsd patch that's been floating independently, despite never getting vpatched).
11:50 mircea_popescu obviously one could patch the eucrypt to work on his box if for some reason he wants to (though i can't imagine who'd be running eulora client of ppc machine, but anyways).
11:50 mircea_popescu the interesting point here is the mandate, ie, do you actually object to our saying "bignum is evil and get rid of it"
11:50 phf so while i think lack of bigendian will create immediate problems for people (e.g. no vdiff/vpatch on g5 machines for trinque, untill he patches it himself), i don't think it's not historically supported
11:50 mircea_popescu ugh. bigendian.
11:51 * asciilifeform finds that he agrees with phf : like it or not, a good % of the cheap and effective older iron that is and will remain in use in tmsr , specifically in opposition to x86ism, is big-endian.
11:51 phf i find all arguments pro or cons unconvincing, as encoded by elders i nthe very name, which is a reference to gulliver's travels
11:53 phf it's a completely arbitrary decision, that has a bunch of cons and pros based on time, hardware, architecture, etc. etc. big iron used to be bigendian, micros were primarily little endian, both for reasons
11:53 mircea_popescu hm.
11:53 asciilifeform i also agree with mircea_popescu in re ~new~ cpu design having no business being byte-addressing and having a detectable endianism orientation AT ALL.
11:53 asciilifeform but we dun have a cpu fab yet.
11:54 mircea_popescu phf so you are actually saying that there's some kind of way to look at the situation that has both endian notations stand on equality footing ?
11:57 phf right, i'm more saying that neither have merit, and the only reason there's a narrative is because you have to have one or the other, and by nature of having both in theory you have both in practice
11:58 mircea_popescu but don't you find that one's logically consistent whereas the other's logically inconsistent ?
11:59 mircea_popescu in smallendian notation, for every subset of bits however selected, they will be found before an equally sized subset of higher order bits and after an equally sized subset of lower order bits.
11:59 mircea_popescu in bigendian notation, ~SOME~ subsets of bits will be found before an equally sized subset of higher order bits and after an equally sized subset of lower order bits ; and ~SOME~ the other way ; and what the magic size cutoff is VARIES.
12:00 asciilifeform sad phakt : this is also true on little-endian box -- at least if you watch the bits go over e.g. serial port.
12:01 mircea_popescu but this is a problem of display not of ontology, on small endian box.
12:01 mircea_popescu the fact that you choose to have your ide replace all ifs with :-) is your fucking problem.
12:01 asciilifeform there does not exist this separation, in reality, between display and ontology.
12:01 asciilifeform unless you are that d00d in the painting
12:02 mircea_popescu ugh.
12:02 mircea_popescu what ?
12:02 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2014-04-25#643502 <<
12:02 a111 Logged on 2014-04-25 20:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.stalingrad-battle.ru/images/stories/ris42.jpg
12:02 mircea_popescu ah come on, the bits exist whether you're looking at them or not.
12:03 asciilifeform well yes. but you gotta use the подвиг радиста UI to get'em..
12:03 mircea_popescu the sorts of problems we end up having...
12:03 mircea_popescu i can't conceive who the fuck else was ever equipped to touch this shit.
12:06 BingoBoingo Well, that everything we dig into turns into shit upon examinition show how great of a handicap not having a republic is.
12:15 phf mircea_popescu: i don't think it makes sense to talk about bit order on any of the architectures that we're discussing, since you can only address by bytes. big endian systems could have little endian bytes and you would never know, likewise little endian systems could have big endian bytes and you would never know. logically though there's no reason you can't view big endian to be a bit reverse of little endian
12:16 mircea_popescu i don't agree that implementation limits my power of representation.
12:16 mircea_popescu i can discuss bit order irrespective of the fact that systems implement byte addressing. i must.
12:17 phf well, then you can't arbitrarily say that big endian system is illogical because it has little endian bit order but big endian byte order.
12:18 mircea_popescu are you actually saying "well mp, ~maybe~ bits exist outside of anyone looking at them, but sure as fuck they do not exist outside of bytes, as currently the situation stands" ?
12:18 asciilifeform 'bit order' does not meaningfully exist outside of serial lines, where a time parameter is imposed
12:19 mircea_popescu jesus fuck this is brokeneder than originally imagined.
12:19 asciilifeform what would the contrary even mean ? that the low bit is on left side of the chip , vs right ? what if it turn my comp around on the table , lol
12:19 asciilifeform *if i turn
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12:36 mod6 <+asciilifeform> diff -uNr $1 $2 | awk 'm = /^(--- a|\+\+\+)/ << diff -uNr $1 $2 | awk 'm = /^(--- a|\+\+\+ b)/ << ya?
12:37 mod6 anyway, thing i was talking about before had: /^(--- | \+\+
12:37 mod6 bah
12:38 mod6 this: /^(--- |\+\+\+ )/
12:38 mod6 maybe the more specific with 'a' and 'b' is the ticket tho
12:39 asciilifeform naa i'ma do what mircea_popescu said, leaving it alone for nao
12:39 mircea_popescu wisdom.
12:45 mod6 ok sounds good
12:51 mod6 in other news, got within 2 blocks of HEAD lastnight... never quite did make it... then for some reason fell like 80 blocks behind while stuck on a block.
12:51 mod6 restarting ...
12:52 asciilifeform mod6: what means 'stuck on a block'
12:52 asciilifeform and fwiw i NEVER restart a node unless it actually crashed ( and it's been some yrs since last case of this ), why would you destroy valuable info re an actual-stuck eggog
12:53 mod6 well, probably wasn't "stuck" just takig a long time or whatever.
12:53 asciilifeform how long is long
12:53 asciilifeform and what is it doing
12:53 mod6 i dunno 10 hours
12:53 asciilifeform e.g. sitting and processing tx, and simply nobody gave it any new blocks ?
12:53 asciilifeform ... or still verifying something, and doing nothing at all, not responding to commands, etc ?
12:53 asciilifeform gotta be specific re what node is doing. word 'stuck' is not very useful.
12:54 mod6 <+asciilifeform> e.g. sitting and processing tx, and simply nobody gave it any new blocks ? << yes, looks this way. was heavily loading the mempool with shit
12:54 mod6 if it does it again, we'll take a look
12:54 mod6 node is catching back up now
12:54 asciilifeform observe also that even 'aggressive' trb only demands newblox when a peer ~connects~
12:55 asciilifeform rather than constantly
12:55 mod6 yeah, strangely i only had like 4 connections; even with -myip being set to external ip
12:55 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: is the 22% actually "we have declared the value of this thing to be $maxint, and now pay $maxint * .22 or never see your gear again"?
12:55 mod6 but *shrug* maybe it just needed longer to talk to others. it had only been up for a little while at that point.
12:56 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: That I am asking around on and seeking clarification about.
12:58 BingoBoingo A common recurring answer is they don't know because everyone they know goes to Miama with one bag and returns home with 5-10
13:00 mircea_popescu heh
13:01 ben_vulpes how the fuck are uruguayan bordermeat going to price an xserve anyways
13:03 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: if you're especially unlucky -- by googling and finding a usg purchase quote from $bigvendor
13:03 asciilifeform from 2005 or whenever.
13:05 mircea_popescu lel
13:06 phf "computer parts $20"
13:06 phf i thought that was standard procedure for shipping international?
13:07 mod6 ok 3 blocks behind, now just doing a bunch of mem pool stuff. we'll see if it falls back behind
13:07 asciilifeform phf: worx with variable success. didn't , for instance, for FG to diana_coman
13:08 phf yes, that's cause fg looks like some mil spec shit. you just needed to put inside a cheap plastic box and stencil "fax modem" on it
13:08 mircea_popescu lmao
13:08 mircea_popescu honestly, i have great faith in alf's capacity to cross items.
13:08 asciilifeform mod6: at the risk of repeating myself : don't babysit nodes. if it genuinely 'gets stuck', and not merely on account of poor block propagation at the particular time you are watching -- it is potentially serious problem, and you want debug info . if on other hand it is a chronic situation, you want to instrument the thing with timers, find out where it spends time.
13:08 mircea_popescu he has i guess the honest man's face.
13:08 asciilifeform mod6: at no point does babysitting-and-restarting-blindly accomplish anything useful.
13:09 mod6 it's just been since april 5th. so im kinda excited.
13:10 asciilifeform phf: in my experience the magic word is 'commercial sample for demo'. but only worx with suitcases.
13:10 asciilifeform dunwork so much with parcels in the post. because otherwise 'erryone would write it'
13:13 phf asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sez_-UoRudg
13:13 asciilifeform lol
13:16 asciilifeform that's approx it.
13:18 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> phf: in my experience the magic word is 'commercial sample for demo'. but only worx with suitcases. << Personal effects
13:18 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/the-man-versus-the-state/ << Trilema - The Man Versus The State
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14:20 shinohai Sorry for spam, doing housecleaning as well.
14:20 shinohai !!unrate AndreaGuzman
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14:20 shinohai !!unrate covertress
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14:24 phf shinohai: here's a service you could provide: bouncers for sluts :) i believe e.g. znc supports multi-tenant
14:27 Techman rip some of the idle folks from lrh
14:29 mod6 lol @ #11
14:32 phf Techman: well, i did say sluts, not "peanut gallery". most of freenode channels seem to consist of 2-3 useful folk and the 20-30 backsit yes men.
14:36 Techman Are you sure you meant to direct that @ me? I'm talking about the housecleaning that shinohai is doing
14:36 phf oh oh
14:38 phf well, to be fair i'm sure i mean to direct that at you, but what you said wasn't directed at me.
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15:32 shinohai phf was going to, maybe when more sluts arrive. I thought emmylark was under the auspices of mircea_popescu
15:36 trinque people don't show up at some empty lot hungry and then later there's a restaurant
15:36 shinohai aha
15:47 * trinque was saying to build teh restaurant
16:02 shinohai yeah i got that part
16:02 shinohai lel
16:10 asciilifeform !~later tell phf plox to snarf ch9
16:10 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
16:10 deedbot http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2186 << Loper OS - Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 9: Exodus from Egypt with Combas Algorithm.
16:10 asciilifeform Achtung, Panzerz ! ^
16:13 mod6 hey! cool asciilifeform
16:14 asciilifeform mod6: you'll like this one.
16:14 asciilifeform ( it gives answer to the 'make auto tests' homework from ch8 )
16:16 mod6 i like the perf charts too. always helps to have numbers & charts.
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16:43 mod6 omg it is so hard not to babysit this thing after a year of babysitting.
16:43 mod6 im like glued to this debug log
16:57 phf asciilifeform: so i spent a long time on your homework since it's a kind of trick question, but the naive solution that you've provided will not always produce True for obvious reasons.
17:08 phf asciilifeform: i.e. ??``[(let ((a #x]#[) (b #x]#[) (c #x]*#[) (sz #x].0.1-#[)) (= (nth-value 0 (truncate (* a b) (1+ sz))) c))]
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17:29 asciilifeform phf: chew this apart for me ?
17:37 asciilifeform phf: why didja truncate to the ffa bitness ?
17:37 asciilifeform observe that * produces ~two~ FZ onto the stack, not one.
17:38 asciilifeform and that the python example uses both of'em, to test the entire width of the multiplier. and works.
17:39 asciilifeform !!up pehbot
17:39 deedbot pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.
17:40 phf asciilifeform: oh lulz
17:40 asciilifeform !A ??*Q
17:40 pehbot asciilifeform: 4B22E1172FCE727E6B314B8C59C8E006C757BC27D8D4E74759F0C7BFFA55178C4C2C83F6BC069144F61ECEBF9D8C1B427C04675B8107FCCB541FE11979610AB5
17:40 phf and phf became enlightened
17:40 asciilifeform aaha.
17:40 asciilifeform there you go.
17:43 asciilifeform !A ??``*[print 0x]##[ == 0x]#[ * 0x]#
17:43 pehbot asciilifeform: print 0x14337E4EB2BDBC5A94050DE08B74D0E2A0898FDB8867273FAA974DB195E67AE503DCB77FCB92B67F1DA0CFF0142C6B2481C6205EDA36C4265E5E0AB86BFAF315 == 0xDF812DEB8C3DC0A15994324DB8BEB022DA867AFDFD8E7E1AE704DA29F585069F * 0x172360CF1AA56EAD244177180C8D12BF6C329957E93F2E77E558AE1F7A336DCB
17:43 asciilifeform ^ e.g.
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18:00 mircea_popescu behold, that there was an empty lot with a lot of hungry people in it that then later became a restaurant.
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18:20 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'underlying problem' link in your latest piece, eggogs
18:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform fixt ty
18:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 2nd eggog, 'very significant costs'
18:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform fixt ?
18:36 mircea_popescu apparently i was drunker than i thought.
18:36 asciilifeform aha worx
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20:14 asciilifeform !~later tell trinque do you have a working gnat on ppc (g5 or any other) ?
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20:14 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
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21:41 deedbot http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2211 << Loper OS - Dicionar Romn-Englez.
21:42 asciilifeform oh hah deedbot hates orcograms dunnit.
21:42 mircea_popescu lol romns!
21:42 asciilifeform who knew!
21:43 asciilifeform i gotta admit, i picture them as units, like e.g. rems
21:43 asciilifeform 'he was exposed to 300 gRomns, expired in convulsions'
21:46 mircea_popescu "lost all his vaginal teeth and instestinal hairs"
21:46 asciilifeform aaha!
21:53 * asciilifeform noticed that the ro_eng_ascii.txt w4r3z was a mega-popular item in the machine log , for quite some time, and so went to put this flag on it.
21:54 asciilifeform the item mircea_popescu gave, 'dex', is also on the conveyor, but will prolly have to wait for peacetime
21:55 mircea_popescu di provenza il mar, il suol...
21:56 asciilifeform aaha
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22:24 mircea_popescu aaand in other "guess what sf ideas i got", what if females had no tits, but instead they grew these almond-sized blobs of semi-hard fat on their neck, sorta like corn nibblets on the cobb, and kids just you know, nibbled their neck.
22:24 mircea_popescu sorta grow from one spot and fall out overripe from another.
22:24 asciilifeform pretty sure there is >1 species of fish where -- this
22:25 mircea_popescu possibru
22:25 mircea_popescu imagine the cloud of parasites, you know ?
22:26 asciilifeform for some reason all that comes to mind tho is that 1 fish where the ~male~ attaches, parasitizes, and jettisons the now-useless fins, mouth, arse, digestive tract, etc
22:35 mircea_popescu humans may be headed that way.
22:35 asciilifeform lol
22:37 mircea_popescu what'd even be called, mothercurd ?
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